@@Stockhandle123 never checking here ever. He prob doesn’t have a flush first of all so he likely checks back for showdown, occasional bluff maybe, but can’t count on that. But if he does it’s K Q or J, he will call our bet. Incredibly rare to ever get raised here. Even if he raises I’m not folding. Can’t miss value by checking tho.
@@JeffreyHaefner he likely doesn't have a flush here which is why he bluffs. he knows his king is no good and he tries to bluff you off. Like I said easiest check but not all sizing up to 400 maybe $500 max. Also he is not gonna call with the queen or the jack of clubs but he might bet small as a value bet. He
I'll be honest, I can't imagine he had anything other than 87o with the 8 of clubs. It's definitely not a hand he should have had there, or played the way he did, but if he showed one seven, if the other card was also a seven, surely he'd show that too? Clearly he was intending to show a bluff, potentially to tilt the hero on future hands, or to induce lighter calls in the future, and that is far, far more effective if he shows both cards. I can't think of a single reason he'd only show one seven if he had 77, tbh.
Yup. It's 1-3. I won't quite say the cold call with 87o is standard but it's certain common. Flop, middle pair, call and see what develops. Turn, pair plus one card flush draw plus SF gutshot. Call and see if Hero is full of it. River, yeah, majority would show but he figures it's fun to mess with you.
I think 77 is possible if the villain slow played it on the flop then the front door flush gets there on the turn. He calls hoping to boat up. Then figures the open ended straight flush is better for his range than the heroes range. That high level thinking for a 1/3 game but possible.
I see a lot of low limit players becoming more advanced due to the availability of this type of content online. A lot of them just aren't good enough yet or properly rolled for whatever reason to play higher stakes. I believe he could have had 77 which obviously has little to no showdown value on this board
Any 1-3 player with 77 who will call the flop is looking to trap and also afraid to raise and see a club on the turn. That same player is NEVER turning 77 into a bluff on this river. He has the 8c most times here. That being said, the main mistake in this hand was the bet sizing.
@@wirmerflagge999There is basically no difference between jamming and raising here. The minimum raise you can do is 800, which only leaves ~300 or so behind and basically just begging for a call saying "I have the absolute stones". If you have ANY bluffs here, you would jam those, so you also need to do the same thing with your made hands.
Unless he was indeed bluffing. And wanted to be seen like he was only pretending to bluff, because he wanted us future suck bluffs to keep working. None as sick as that bluff. That said, I agree. It’s mostly value. But a real sharp player could do this cuz they exactly what another sharp player would deduce.
He’s lying…come on Bart lol. I’ve been playing poker 15 years. He had 8 clubs 7 spade and just tried to tilt hero and make himself look like a “whiz” by saying that. Not even remotely believable.
Why would you not show 77 if you have it when you show one 7 and claim 77 which is such a sick hand to turn into a bluff. He would 100 percent show 77 if he had it after saying this and showing 1 he had 78 100 percent or maybe 73 but either way he had the st8 flush with these actions
But people love the show straight flushes because they're so rare. Especially 1-2 players. He would have showed have showed the 8 of clubs if he had it
I like the way this caller played the hand, except the end. He also sounds like a smart player. I'm calling the jam every time here, expecting to lose a small portion of the time. 1-3 players will do that with the Kc as well as sets, and pure air!
I feel like it was 77. You're neglecting that 1/3 players also tilt easily and make crazy bluffs for no other reason than their hand got counterfeited. He's not thinking "Well if the square root of the hypotenuse says that GTO approach means I must jam here because only I can have the straight flush. He's thinking well if he doesn't have the Ac I can win with a bluff now
You are 100% correct my thoughts exactly. 1/3 players think in bi laterally in the sense they only think, bet for value r bet as a bluff. They don’t think about anything else, ranges, position, card removal. None of those things apply, just I have the nuts, bet. I have to bluff, bet.
I actually had this exact runout once, with clubs as well I think - I was oop with AcQs, called a 3bet from the in position player, and board runs out the same (same clubs, anyway, can't remember the offsuit card), completing the open ended straight flush. That time though, I led the river and got a fold - as the opponent said after the hand there are virtually no hands he has with the 8c or 3c, as he was the preflop aggressor, and so he'd never get credit for them if he tried to bluff. He did look tempted to try, though! Wish he did, as I'd already decided he never has the straight flush there... haha
The issue here is Hero doesn't understand that you must find some calls when you bet against a stronger range and get raised otherwise you'll be utterly destroyed by good players. If Hero virtually never has 8c or 3c then Villain is printing money by jamming because Hero's folding nearly 100% of the time. You have to find some calls and Ac *IS* one because it blocks Ac3c, catches bluffs, and also catches the times Villain is tilted after getting outdrawn with a made flush on the turn. If I take this line I'm calling 100% against good players who I know will exploit here.
I would have such a hard time folding this specifically because, with this board, the only paired clubs with an 8 that make sense for that preflop call are 98c and 108c. That being said, considering the guy showed a 7, I agree with what other people have said that he almost certainly had 8c7x and just made a terrible call prefop and pretended he bluffed the river to tilt the guy. But I would've paid him off because of how many suited connectors are removed from possibility.
If you are going to bet fold not sure what the point is, as Bart talked this out the villain is literally incentivized to JAM ANY TWO CARDS. Check and call any pot or less bet.
That's how poker works, though. If they're incentivized to jam any two on the river and get here with tons of stuff besides just a straight flush, you're printing so much money bet calling.
It's not 77. When people say this stuff they have it. He had 78o w the 8c. 13 players will play this bad. He just got lucky. Also ...he's not raising a set on this flop?? C'mon. Good fold.
Generally speaking, when someone wants you to know that they bluffed you, they will show both cards. And if hes verbally telling you his entire hand afterwards, why not just show them both? Then factoring in that our river sizing was large, I just dont think this is ever anything but 7s8c. Oddly played for sure but how many 1-3 players are turning a set into a bluff?
Honestly i believe the villain. Like, can hero have 8c or 3c here? Ultra UTG? Not likely, Ac8c is pretty much the only realistic combo and even that is pretty thin, oop to everyone and first to act. But the villain could easily have stuff like Kc8c or something. The board is so scary that it does not take much to realize you can bluff big here. Bottom line is, if i, as hero, decide to bet the river, im not folding. It makes no sense to fold the best hand you could have gotten here with
This guy always has 87o there. People play offsuit connectors all the time in live poker. Why would he just show one card if he wants to show that he bluffed? From my experience he always has the 8c there if he shows the 7 🙂 Depending on sizing I would have probably check called the river to pick of his bluffs.
Only thing about 77 that doesnt make sense to me is just calling flop. I think villain should mostly reraised it but i guess he might idk.And also bluff jamming into such huge bet on river u need to have balls to do that. I would have bet most likely block bet like 25 % maybe lil bit more in hero shoes.
Most players aren't calling with any club. A healthy number of players will find a bluff when checked to here or might bet out a weaker flush. Check call anything under pot.
I would have called not only because most of my money was already in the pot and it is called gambling after all but to me the villain told me he wasn't chasing a straight flush when he tanked before calling turn, for a real poker player it would be a no brainer to call the turn when you have four to a straight flush, as the villain the only question that would have even been a consideration was whether we were playing with a regularly exchanged machine shuffled deck or a multi handed dealer scrambled deck which by that point i would have already known that answer so the fact that the villain tanked for a while told me had a hand that wasn't a no brainer like a set, off suit straight or a plain flush draw so i would have snap called the jamb, besides almost all my money was already in the pot so lets gamble......
Only 8 of clubs villain can have is 88 with a club or A8 of clubs (which we block) or 98cc. Are we really that concerned about two combos in this configuration? Seems like people would overbluff this spot like Bart said, leaning hero toward a call.
Your subscribing tight preflop ranges to a 1/3 player you don’t know…dude clearly you haven’t played 1/3 and 2/5 very much. Do you know how many times I see people flat raises and three bets out of position preflop with 87 off? A LOT. He had 8 clubs 7 spades.
I love ur videos even if I only play online and live like three times a year. But I don't get what we should "learn" from this video. This spot is so fkn rare I don't even know if I was ever in this playing ~ 2 million hands a year (betting pot with the nutflush, getting then raised on a "four low-middlecard straighflush non paired board" and getting ~ 2.8 to 1 on a call). Sure you can say this is a 3rd nuts vs. (second) nuts situation, but this is a special one.
But yea i did that once. I was pissed guy folded a straight with 3 diamond flop. I heard A J duamonds. I just showed the A so he thought he made a bad fold.
By betting pot on the river, hero polarized himself and gave an opportunity to a 7-7 to bluff since 8-8c would've played the hand the same way. Considering vilain is aware that hero never has the 8c
The poker community deserves better commentary. Okaying a big bet on a polarizing turn card(most of hero’s range doesn’t like this turn card so now we’re playing face up), not ok’ing check on the river (if you always bet top of range, your check range is garbage), and folding top of range when very very few hands beat you. If the goal is to spread disinformation, well done. Last video I’ll watch for its educational value. It is very entertaining though, for the wrong reasons 😂
My policy - if the only hands that beat me are full house or better, then I'm jamming all my money in. I'm just gonna lose my stack if my nut flush / nut straight are beat.
Ace is still the 3rd nuts because the 8 high and 9 high straight flush are both the 1st nuts. If anyone has the 8 of clubs, nobody can have the 9 high straight flush or a better hand, so the 8 is still the nuts
When you bet pot on the river it leaves the opponent with the opportunity to bluff. If you bet smaller they are gonna think this is a trap to get me to raise bluff but when you go full pot it screams bet fold
I dont feel there is any way this player had a 3c or 8c, especially in a 1/3 game. If they had a straight flush, they would show their cards for everyone to see their straight flush.
What would you have done arriving on this river? Do you like a bet-fold? Check/call? Is this ever a check fold?
@@CrushlivePoker I would of bet $150-$200 and just called any raise
This is the easiest check call in history you check like you're afraid of the flush the villain will definitely over Bluff and you just snap it off.
@@Stockhandle123 never checking here ever. He prob doesn’t have a flush first of all so he likely checks back for showdown, occasional bluff maybe, but can’t count on that. But if he does it’s K Q or J, he will call our bet. Incredibly rare to ever get raised here. Even if he raises I’m not folding. Can’t miss value by checking tho.
@@JeffreyHaefner he likely doesn't have a flush here which is why he bluffs. he knows his king is no good and he tries to bluff you off. Like I said easiest check but not all sizing up to 400 maybe $500 max.
Also he is not gonna call with the queen or the jack of clubs but he might bet small as a value bet. He
Chk / call a psb or smaller.
I'll be honest, I can't imagine he had anything other than 87o with the 8 of clubs.
It's definitely not a hand he should have had there, or played the way he did, but if he showed one seven, if the other card was also a seven, surely he'd show that too? Clearly he was intending to show a bluff, potentially to tilt the hero on future hands, or to induce lighter calls in the future, and that is far, far more effective if he shows both cards.
I can't think of a single reason he'd only show one seven if he had 77, tbh.
Most people I've played with at a 1/3 table will show their straight flush so everyone can gawk at it.
Yup. It's 1-3. I won't quite say the cold call with 87o is standard but it's certain common.
Flop, middle pair, call and see what develops.
Turn, pair plus one card flush draw plus SF gutshot. Call and see if Hero is full of it.
River, yeah, majority would show but he figures it's fun to mess with you.
@@HarruinI'm with you. He's showing the straight flush if he had it. Even the big games, players almost always show the straight flush
I think 77 is possible if the villain slow played it on the flop then the front door flush gets there on the turn. He calls hoping to boat up. Then figures the open ended straight flush is better for his range than the heroes range. That high level thinking for a 1/3 game but possible.
I see a lot of low limit players becoming more advanced due to the availability of this type of content online. A lot of them just aren't good enough yet or properly rolled for whatever reason to play higher stakes. I believe he could have had 77 which obviously has little to no showdown value on this board
Any 1-3 player with 77 who will call the flop is looking to trap and also afraid to raise and see a club on the turn. That same player is NEVER turning 77 into a bluff on this river. He has the 8c most times here. That being said, the main mistake in this hand was the bet sizing.
Who shows one card and claims they bluffed someone? Clearly he did it for value
you would jam with the absolute nuts, rather than simply raise for value, after a pot sized bet?
@@wirmerflagge999There is basically no difference between jamming and raising here. The minimum raise you can do is 800, which only leaves ~300 or so behind and basically just begging for a call saying "I have the absolute stones". If you have ANY bluffs here, you would jam those, so you also need to do the same thing with your made hands.
Unless he was indeed bluffing. And wanted to be seen like he was only pretending to bluff, because he wanted us future suck bluffs to keep working. None as sick as that bluff. That said, I agree. It’s mostly value. But a real sharp player could do this cuz they exactly what another sharp player would deduce.
He’s lying…come on Bart lol. I’ve been playing poker 15 years. He had 8 clubs 7 spade and just tried to tilt hero and make himself look like a “whiz” by saying that. Not even remotely believable.
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Exactly, 0% chance he had anything other than 8c7s
a 1/3 game there are all sorts of donkeys and lunatics. anything is possible. i see so many people overthinking hands at this level
Why would you not show 77 if you have it when you show one 7 and claim 77 which is such a sick hand to turn into a bluff. He would 100 percent show 77 if he had it after saying this and showing 1 he had 78 100 percent or maybe 73 but either way he had the st8 flush with these actions
Exactly, he didn't have 77
Yes simply no chance. No one shows one or none while claiming what they had and is telling the truth. It makes no sense.
But people love the show straight flushes because they're so rare. Especially 1-2 players. He would have showed have showed the 8 of clubs if he had it
People show one card all the time when they're bluffing or claiming to have bluffed just to fuck with you.
I like the way this caller played the hand, except the end. He also sounds like a smart player. I'm calling the jam every time here, expecting to lose a small portion of the time. 1-3 players will do that with the Kc as well as sets, and pure air!
I feel like it was 77. You're neglecting that 1/3 players also tilt easily and make crazy bluffs for no other reason than their hand got counterfeited. He's not thinking "Well if the square root of the hypotenuse says that GTO approach means I must jam here because only I can have the straight flush. He's thinking well if he doesn't have the Ac I can win with a bluff now
You are 100% correct my thoughts exactly. 1/3 players think in bi laterally in the sense they only think, bet for value r bet as a bluff. They don’t think about anything else, ranges, position, card removal. None of those things apply, just I have the nuts, bet. I have to bluff, bet.
The only part I disagree is that he had 8♣️7♠️ and in this case he was betting for value and not with a set as a bluff. But same thought process
I would have called for two reasons. 1. There are so few straight flushes I would have thought he didn't have it. 2. I wanted to see if he had it.
Ha, this would be me as well. Curiosity kills the bank account.
99% of players at 1-3 are NOT turning 77 into a bluff.
Almost every time someone only shows one card, they're trying to play a mental game to believe something that isn't true.
But if you had it, what lie would you come up with knowing hero probably folded a high club?
I would have a hard time folding, I don’t think he has any 3cX in this configuration and with how large the sizings were probably doesn’t have 8c8x
I actually had this exact runout once, with clubs as well I think - I was oop with AcQs, called a 3bet from the in position player, and board runs out the same (same clubs, anyway, can't remember the offsuit card), completing the open ended straight flush.
That time though, I led the river and got a fold - as the opponent said after the hand there are virtually no hands he has with the 8c or 3c, as he was the preflop aggressor, and so he'd never get credit for them if he tried to bluff. He did look tempted to try, though! Wish he did, as I'd already decided he never has the straight flush there... haha
Bart, as for the limp in the ultimate under the gun position, in 1/3 games yes this is good to limp with AK as long as limp with weak hands as well.
I watched the whole interview. It was really good
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Not folding here. Not even considering it for 1 second.
I agree with the 400 bet. I think it’s enough to keep most from bluffing the SF.
Yay another one from my area. I play tournaments here and cash at Harrahs on the MO side
The issue here is Hero doesn't understand that you must find some calls when you bet against a stronger range and get raised otherwise you'll be utterly destroyed by good players. If Hero virtually never has 8c or 3c then Villain is printing money by jamming because Hero's folding nearly 100% of the time. You have to find some calls and Ac *IS* one because it blocks Ac3c, catches bluffs, and also catches the times Villain is tilted after getting outdrawn with a made flush on the turn. If I take this line I'm calling 100% against good players who I know will exploit here.
Did you miss the part where it's 1-3? (And unless I missed it, only population reads)
@@PhilipJReed-db3zc Do good players exist at 1/3? Obviously, so take a moment to re-read what I wrote.
I would have such a hard time folding this specifically because, with this board, the only paired clubs with an 8 that make sense for that preflop call are 98c and 108c. That being said, considering the guy showed a 7, I agree with what other people have said that he almost certainly had 8c7x and just made a terrible call prefop and pretended he bluffed the river to tilt the guy. But I would've paid him off because of how many suited connectors are removed from possibility.
That was a sick bluff…when I say bluff I’m talking about claiming to have pocket 77s.
If you are going to bet fold not sure what the point is, as Bart talked this out the villain is literally incentivized to JAM ANY TWO CARDS. Check and call any pot or less bet.
That's how poker works, though. If they're incentivized to jam any two on the river and get here with tons of stuff besides just a straight flush, you're printing so much money bet calling.
The mistake was to polarize the river bet, giving vilain the clue that the hero actually never has the 8c.
Im calling here with those odds. If deeper id do the bet fold.
It's not 77. When people say this stuff they have it. He had 78o w the 8c. 13 players will play this bad. He just got lucky. Also ...he's not raising a set on this flop?? C'mon. Good fold.
Generally speaking, when someone wants you to know that they bluffed you, they will show both cards. And if hes verbally telling you his entire hand afterwards, why not just show them both? Then factoring in that our river sizing was large, I just dont think this is ever anything but 7s8c. Oddly played for sure but how many 1-3 players are turning a set into a bluff?
I think it's better to check call and pick off a bluff.
Honestly i believe the villain. Like, can hero have 8c or 3c here? Ultra UTG? Not likely, Ac8c is pretty much the only realistic combo and even that is pretty thin, oop to everyone and first to act. But the villain could easily have stuff like Kc8c or something. The board is so scary that it does not take much to realize you can bluff big here. Bottom line is, if i, as hero, decide to bet the river, im not folding. It makes no sense to fold the best hand you could have gotten here with
I've played in KC. The non-thinking player pool there could absolutely show up here with 77 raising for value.
This guy always has 87o there. People play offsuit connectors all the time in live poker. Why would he just show one card if he wants to show that he bluffed? From my experience he always has the 8c there if he shows the 7 🙂
Depending on sizing I would have probably check called the river to pick of his bluffs.
Only thing about 77 that doesnt make sense to me is just calling flop. I think villain should mostly reraised it but i guess he might idk.And also bluff jamming into such huge bet on river u need to have balls to do that. I would have bet most likely block bet like 25 % maybe lil bit more in hero shoes.
way to shout out NH!!!!
Most players aren't calling with any club. A healthy number of players will find a bluff when checked to here or might bet out a weaker flush. Check call anything under pot.
I would have called not only because most of my money was already in the pot and it is called gambling after all but to me the villain told me he wasn't chasing a straight flush when he tanked before calling turn, for a real poker player it would be a no brainer to call the turn when you have four to a straight flush, as the villain the only question that would have even been a consideration was whether we were playing with a regularly exchanged machine shuffled deck or a multi handed dealer scrambled deck which by that point i would have already known that answer so the fact that the villain tanked for a while told me had a hand that wasn't a no brainer like a set, off suit straight or a plain flush draw so i would have snap called the jamb, besides almost all my money was already in the pot so lets gamble......
Only 8 of clubs villain can have is 88 with a club or A8 of clubs (which we block) or 98cc. Are we really that concerned about two combos in this configuration? Seems like people would overbluff this spot like Bart said, leaning hero toward a call.
Live 1 3 overbluffing rivers is not a thing 😂
Your subscribing tight preflop ranges to a 1/3 player you don’t know…dude clearly you haven’t played 1/3 and 2/5 very much. Do you know how many times I see people flat raises and three bets out of position preflop with 87 off? A LOT. He had 8 clubs 7 spades.
I love ur videos even if I only play online and live like three times a year.
But I don't get what we should "learn" from this video.
This spot is so fkn rare I don't even know if I was ever in this playing ~ 2 million hands a year (betting pot with the nutflush, getting then raised on a "four low-middlecard straighflush non paired board" and getting ~ 2.8 to 1 on a call).
Sure you can say this is a 3rd nuts vs. (second) nuts situation, but this is a special one.
So basically he either had 78 with the 8 of clubs or 77. I think he had the absolute nuts
It was a straight flush. He would've showed both On a bluff.
But yea i did that once. I was pissed guy folded a straight with 3 diamond flop. I heard A J duamonds. I just showed the A so he thought he made a bad fold.
By betting pot on the river, hero polarized himself and gave an opportunity to a 7-7 to bluff since 8-8c would've played the hand the same way. Considering vilain is aware that hero never has the 8c
The poker community deserves better commentary. Okaying a big bet on a polarizing turn card(most of hero’s range doesn’t like this turn card so now we’re playing face up), not ok’ing check on the river (if you always bet top of range, your check range is garbage), and folding top of range when very very few hands beat you.
If the goal is to spread disinformation, well done.
Last video I’ll watch for its educational value. It is very entertaining though, for the wrong reasons 😂
I would have happily called and just reloaded. But if I played it in that manner he would have to show me a straight flush
I can never be bluffed because I never fold. 😂
If he had 78 with the 8 of clubs, I think he would have shown that hand.
It's very rare players are embarrassed to show a straight flush.
Why would he have played 7-7 like that, cause 8-8 with the 8 of club would've been played the same way?
This is 100% 8c7s in my mind, good fold
@@ryanmundt8489 yes if he had 77 he would've showed both.
My policy - if the only hands that beat me are full house or better, then I'm jamming all my money in.
I'm just gonna lose my stack if my nut flush / nut straight are beat.
89 clubs is the nuts so what it's 4th nuts?
Ace is still the 3rd nuts because the 8 high and 9 high straight flush are both the 1st nuts. If anyone has the 8 of clubs, nobody can have the 9 high straight flush or a better hand, so the 8 is still the nuts
8c is the nuts whether or not the player also has the 9c.
Otherwise you’d have to say that the nuts on JcTh6c3s2c is AcKc and AcQc is the second nuts.
This is a hand that you just say fk it and call
78o 100% I wouldve said the same thing
Why would 77 play this way lmao
and why only show one seven….
Tuff
Some of the things Jungleman said were strangly naive.
Easiest call in the world
The Ac is not like having the Qc. Nobody gunna have the 3c. And super unlikely an offsuit 8c. Has to be 98s or 108s that’s it. Nothing else.
However: villain SHOWED the 7 of spades...
@@Seriously_Eh correct. To have a flush, it will be 98s or 108s. Therefore he had no flush. Highly highly doubt he’s playing 87o for $25 pre at $1/3
@@JeffreyHaefneron the other hand, I highly doubt he’s showing just the 7s if he’s claiming to have 77. You’d just show both.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj I agree…. That part is questionable….
Dude this is 1/3 live. This is never a bluff
now way he have 8 of clubs.
98 of clubs
He was hiding his third card
The JM interview format was bad--couldn't watch. Take the content and unpack it in a more useable viewer friendly format.
When you bet pot on the river it leaves the opponent with the opportunity to bluff. If you bet smaller they are gonna think this is a trap to get me to raise bluff but when you go full pot it screams bet fold
I dont feel there is any way this player had a 3c or 8c, especially in a 1/3 game. If they had a straight flush, they would show their cards for everyone to see their straight flush.
How much did this caller love the sound of his own voice ?
Nobody cares about your backstory bro, just get on with it.
He might play A8 or A3 same way
classic asian player Kc8c
He SHOWED THE 7 of spades...