How Foiling Destroys Windsurfing!
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Windsurf foiling became one of my favorite watersports ever! But to get where we are now, the needs of the average windsurfers got left behind many times, causing huge damage to the windsurfing community, while indirectly promoting wingfoiling to the fullest.
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I LOVE fin windsurfing and I don't see any reason why I should start something new when there is still so much to achieve. It's just the best thing in the entire world!
I bought a Slingshot package 4 years ago and that was the best decision. Plug and play checks all the boxes for someone like me. The Wizard 125 was extremely easy to learn and enjoy for many sessions. This summer I lost my foil hitting something underwater, foil was old and I didn’t feel sad about it, but looking around shopping I quickly discovered that I am fine with buying the same foil again. Simply because it’s overwhelming looking at all the other options. Also bought the freestyle board from Slingshot that was on insane low price and now I’m having heaps of fun. With board being 5feet long it transformed the same foil to a completely different feeling. Looking at the other guys at the beach with their talks about tails and fuselages and foil numbers is so off putting. Slingshot got it right from the beginning. Plug and play! Works for me every day.
Yes but they got out of windsurf foiling 😢. Also Wizard 125 won't take a Sab Foil without a special adaptor because the box is not deep enough. Standards are important! I also bought the Wizard 114 knowing all that 😂
Moin Mario, ich als Surfurgestein seit 1982 mit damals Delta Verdränger aus der DDR habe zwar eine ganze Zeit pausiert(Familie, Kinder, Job etc.), jedoch habe ich nie etwas anderes als das klassische Windsurfen im Focus gehabt.
Seit 1Jahr bin ich wieder aktiv und finde das Windsurffoiling schon ganz cool, aber ich bleibe meiner alten Linie treu.
Habe mir daher auch ohne irgenwelche Hintergedanken ein JP Magic Ride zugelegt und geniesse das schnelle Angleiten, die Stabilität und Schnelligkeit.
Es war gut wieder zurück zu kehren und gegen den Mainstram weiterhin mit Finne(die mittlerweile 52cm ist) zu fahren.
Ich finde der Tod des klassischen Windsurfens ist nicht nur dem Kiten und allen anderen folgenden Erfindungen geschuldet, sondern auch, weil die Industrie, den Blick für die normalen Surfer verloren hatte und jedes Jahr komplett neue Konzepte, ob Boards oder auch Riggs herausbrachte, die der normale Wochenend und Urlaubssurfer nicht mehr stemmen konnte und wollte.
In diesem Sinne:Ich find Finne geil😊🤙😊.
Great video! Saying what everybody thinks but dont have courage to tell, i foil on the past but came back to fin.... Foil and the industru of windfoil for me sucks!!...FIN FOREVER ❤️
Great video, very interesting debate. I would also like to point out that windsurfing (foil or fin) is a sport that takes a long time to learn, especially for those who are far from lakes or the sea. As a result, there are a lot of people with an intermediate level! And finding good, easy-to-handle equipment is a real challenge.
Very true! Thanks for the feed back.🤙🏾
I only windsurf with a fin and love cruising into the sunset with my 9.3 sail and feeling direct contact with the water. I tried windsurf foiling once and immediately put it back. The unsightly poop position on the foil board and the higher fall height alone are not interesting to me. To get on the water sooner, wind foiling would probably be better as a supplement, but I'm still concentrating on fin windsurfing. I hope that sails over 8.8 square meters will be available to buy again soon. (I'm 53 years old)
if you tried it only once it is obvious you did not like it :/ It take me 3 years foiling to enjoy it more (much more) than windsurf. You can't say "I don't like it" if you can't use it...
@@mailamaila4384 I didn't even write "I don't like it." I wrote that the fall height and the poop stance when foiling were out of the question for me.That doesn't change in three years of practice.
@@mailamaila4384 for me it's okay but it's a bit like low-wind freestyle imo, something accessory but not the core of wind surfing to me. It's ok but I find it rather limited compared to wave riding and freestyle.
Perhaps compared to gliding back and forth with huge sails it can be seen as an upgrade. You can go very fast and go out with less wind and without using 8+ sq metre sails.
I think I'm adding a free race foil to the arsenal but yep, for the casuals perhaps foil has contributed to further fragment the market and it's a struggling market as is.
Haven't tried foiling. I windsurf on wave gear and slalom gear. I love the contact with the water and the waves. Foiling seems detached from those elements and the basic skills of windsurfing. Yes you get potentially more days on the water, but you also get the hassle of even more equipment. Plus the gear is even bigger than your windsurf equipment. Not everybody drives around in a van.
Really interesting video. i live on the east african coast with trade winds for 8 months a year. Kiting is massive here but nobody is doing windsurfing. I plan to open a very small windsurfing business, partly to feed my hobby and have been looking a lot at foiling too. However a couple weeks ago I pretty much made the decision that i wouldn't bother with foiling equipment due to the cost, risk of rental damage, and the feeling that the industry isnt yet ready for mainstream adoption. This video further convinces me to stick with the fin. Thanks!
Not foiling. But when I watch your videos where you’re testing different degrees on your foil, then on your sail etc. I just think that’s way too many variables unless you’re professional.
And you’re perfectly correct, there is no effort from the brands to give tuning guides.
If you’re having trouble figuring out your tuning, I’m not gonna find myself.
So better keep it simple and fun on the fin.
Nothing beats a good windsurfing session, but if the conditions aren't there I'm happy on my freeride foil gear; Slingshot Wizard 114 and Phantasm foil. It's not the fastest setup, but it's easy to dial-in and get foiling. I understand why some people might want the latest racing gear, but it's not something that has appealed to me. I'd much rather strive for foiling more like Greg Glazier (ruclips.net/video/kTuac3KMdBc/видео.html), and working on basic freestyle moves.
I agree with your list of complaints. One thing I would add is for brands to give a thought towards backwards compatibility when developing their foils. I know it's not always possible when trying to improve things, but it sucks to spend piles of money on a product only to see it discontinued a couple of years later in favor of something "better".
Great points, Mario. Very interesting to hear what you've gone through to get to these conclusions.
it has to do with the extremely strange combinations of gear.. I recommend watching Greg Glazier.. THIS is abselutely perfect.. too bad Slingshot has droppet the windfoil. the 125cm mast is a piece of art...
Huh? You might be on to something. I bought a Bic Techno 130L WindFoil in 2020. But it was shit. So I gave up and went back to fin. I'm very happy now but not with super light weather.
Very honest...
I think the biggest problem in the windsurf industry is, that you can very rarely try before you buy. You read a lot of tests and articles, and you watch a lot of videos. You make a decision, and five days and 2500 euros later your new equipment arrives. And maybe, or maybe not, it will live up to your expectations. If not, your stuck with it and can go for another round after wasting a lot of money on the experiment...
Regards Per
for me windsurfing has ALWAYS been about the FUN of it all
I still use a Mistral Equipe II XR and Fanatic Shark 145 most of my windsurf sessions
As I live in a "cold" country ... I build sleds for ice and snow WITH my windsurf sails ...
I have spoken with far too many people that tried windfoiling and went back to fin
(and these guys were the fastest/best windsurfers at my spots)
THIS stopped me from getting on the band wagon
Others tried foiling and went to the WING world !!
In light winds on the larger lake near us I still use a JP SLW92 with a 10-oh sail and LUV it !!
All that to say thanks for the video - gave it a Thumbs UP
and hope windfoil AND windsurf become more popular and "average joe windsurfer" friendly lol
Noch mals, Herzlichen Dank !!
Slingshot did the best for freeride foils that I saw. Much less difficulty in tuning than other gear I've used, and they had some videos. Unfortunately, I don't know if they are still making windsurfing foil gear or not. They put almost everything on sale for very cheap, including board and foil packages. Would love to try next gen race gear but already have lots of money in slingshot and starboard foil sets, which are totally different experiences between freeride and race foil.
Great points in this video.
I think for most people windsurfing is complicated enough to stick with it. Foiling adds another complexity and money requirements. So if someone want to have easy and cheap *-surfing sport, they pick winging. I'd say that because of forcing foils into windsurfing, it's a dying sport 😢
Very interesting. Live in a light wind area and started wingfoiling two years ago. Works great but i miss the sail. Only a very recent article in Surf-magazin gave me the idea to start windfoiling to be able to use the sail again. Prefer old school freestyle and was surprised how little information about that is out there. But I'm pretty sure I will try it, because i managed to find a few (a FEW) videos on easy foilstyling😊
Very good points, especially at the beginning of foiling days you needed deep pockets to progress and keep up with all the gear changes, which now is pretty much useless. Many people got disappointed and just never bothered. Now the level has been so high that there is no motivation or connection to start learning, feels like completely different sport.
Same story, spent big buck on my big slalom stuff 85wide board/ carbon fins/ sails etc. Bought also a SB alu foil and the slalom foil ready board just wouldn't fly. Had to take up the loss replace the board with a foil dedicated to only enjoy the descipline.
Also the sails are another sticking point. I use 2 or 3cam freerace sails which work well with foil, with less downhaul and more outhaul, but all this knowledge was gained with lots of trial.
Echt gutes und informatives Video.
Mach weiter so.
Danke dir!
Good topic, very much what I feel about windsurfing brands. It became a milking industry with no point of entry to new gear for low budget surfers. The new boards are fragile and delaminate after some years. Would have loved to try out foiling but the fear of hassle takes out the fun of surfing.
Thanks for the feedback! However I disagree about the "milking" - barely anyone in this industry makes relevant money, even the big brands. I totally agree about your critique regarding the board quality, thats not good. But to be fair, its only a few % of boards that are like this.
You can for sure try foiling, just do some good research on what equipment works and its easy. Just for people without any clue, its almost impossible.😅
@@MarioKuempel The milking part refers to the falsly engineered and priced products. A freeride board in my opinion should be way more bulletproof for less money, instead of being light and fragile. For me example, as an intermediate windsurfer from east europe (and believe me, we have way more broke mofos out here than me :D) 1500 Eur for a freeride board - 1000 for a 2-3 year old used one - is just way too much in this part of the world. And if you ding it once at the beach, its already damaged and needs repair. Ok, get the nose protector - for 200 eur more... See my point?
Why not make it durable and longer lasting from the get-go for the ones who don't need a Starboard GO anymore but don't have the skill to blast over 45 kmh yet, or they sometimes catapult while doing it.
Foiling the same. 2500-3000 for the latest board? 1000 for a used one which is 3-4 years old and maybe not good with the foil. I've been watching you guys from DE for several years now, reading on the topic, asking the local foilers about their opinion - still don't see the clear path. Still don't see the foil pack on the market which in one unit will cover from beginner to intermediate without spending more money on wings, masts, etc... And keep in mind, we don't have shops that support try out sessions. You just buy blindly with the hopes and dreams. And marketing BS. :D
Don't get me wrong, I'm a die hard windsurfer and willing to spend time and money on a hobby I'll do until the grave. I'll understand that these things need a lot of labour and design, R+D to reach the shops - and are pricy for this reason. But here, in this part of the world - it is a very-very serious problem. I don't think it should be a luxury sport. Maybe I was just born in the wrong spot. :(
I agree with you. I do two kinds of foiling freeracing with a huge board and a huge sail, and freeride foiling with tiny wave sails, focusing on riding swell and just playing around - in strong winds (Greg Glazier is the best ambasador for this kind). The later feels very similar to what I would do on a wave boards - and I am sure lots of windsurfers would enjoy that - but it is hardly markeded. To me foiling enables me to have fun in places with caotic chop and gusty wind. The foiling I see in pwa just puts me off - it is too extreme,,,,but that is where I feel most of the focus is. It is kind of like when easy allround slalom boards such as fanatic rat were replaces with super narrow copellos and you had to be on national level in order to do a good jybe,
Im with you on wind foiling small sails and just having fun. I have tried IQ foils and such, 8.5 sails and above, even though it amazing and efficient and goes at nothing, it’s too big. Currently I only have wave sails. Foil if wind is low and bump and jump when it picks up. I also started winging but prefer my Slingshot FS 115 better for play and cruising.
Yup, I foil like this when I can't bump and jump on a 5.0 sail. So typically I foil a 4.5 wave sail, or in very light winds a 6.0 Sailworks Flyer.
Stayed with slingshots since 2019 still prefer to fin. Mostly free ride wind foil in the Gorge.
Those Y25 foil sets from RRD with M6 screws 😅. The mast was wobbling all around, the fuselage with the foils lays deep in the lake of Como. That “free ride” set was a nightmare, it was impossibile to control
Started out fin only. Got into foiling about two years ago, never looked back. I got the gunsails freeride foil. Shimming the backwing is the only thing I did and it's fast enough for me, plus it goes around the jibe first. The aluminium mast is a bit heavy, but apart from that, highly recommended.
Come to America, not only land of where consumers have no rights but were windsurfing gear is no longer readily available! Something is wrong when distributors tell you to find stock in Europe.... No gear no schools to share the bug with kids, no worries, save windsurfing !
I windsurf for 30 years. I started kite surfing because I wanted to go out in light winds but I hated sails over 6,5 and boards bigger than 120 liters. Now I am learning wingfoil because it is much less complicated than kite foiling or wind foiling. I still windsurf when the wind is over 25 knots with my wave gear.
Try the Severne Alien 👽 together with the Severne Redwing 1400 or 1000 Fw. Then you have a good wingfoil freeride set up🤩 they didn't chance the platform for years and now after all those years its still better then the most brands that chance every 2 years😅😮
Either you enjoy reading the surface of the even water, work the chop or waves and then you windsurf ….or you „fly“ eventless the water if you like the pace of least resistance by continuously „balancing“ ….you choose ….i dont care
I really relate with the narrative here
I bought a board+foil package from JP/NP first time it got released. The foil just didn't work - very limited lift, super heavy, had a mast replaced for defects. I changed to a Naish foil which was way better, but limiting with conditions as the fuselage didn't work well with a large front wing. I now have a Moses/SABFoil which works really well.
I hope there were testing centers for foils .
Most windsurfers are not out there looking to be competitive with the state of the art international level racing. Some of the criticism doesn't quite make sense when you bail out and compare to wing foiling simplicity. If you're ok with being as slow as the average wing foil then almost any modern windsurf foil should be ok, shouldn't it? But when it's windsurf foil being race competitive is a must for some reason?
Having said that, fin makes more sense to me and i can rarely justify bringing out foil equipment when it's a good fin windsurfing day out there.
Great video. Reminds me a lot of the early 90s where the industry was obsessed with ultra high end slalom gear and shops were selling 5/6/7 cam slalom sails and crazy fast but awful to sail boards to everyone irrespective of ability and conditions.
What is sad is how many people have bought inferior foil gear in the last 10 years and just given up. Windsurfing has always been too expensive. Foiling has made it worse.
Could't agree more. The WS industry is about to make the same mistake again. Another thing that really annoys me is that even though there are set "standards" e.g. dimension of a Deep Tuttle Box, each and every brand still makes there own version of it which prevents "interchangeability" between the brands. I have a JP Hydrofoil board which I really like but my Starboard foil does not fit without a lot a wiggling and tilting of the foil mast to get it to sit snuggly in the foil box without damaging the nuts and screws.
Nice video very clever, love it. I started with alpine foil and I’m,still with it, direct contact by phone with the designer for advice, very versatile, I did my air jibe with it and not the fastest but 24-25kt with 12 to 15 kt of wind, perfect for me for a 1200 wing. Love it !
Ein Bruch Brett im Laden …? 😮😅
One of your best videos in my opinion. Big shoutout. The part about foil-ready boards is new to me. I just bought one of these, also because I want to get into windsurf foiling at some point. Very disappointing that it's not working well. In fact I was very much missing any content on RUclips that test foiling on foil-ready windsurf boards.
So true. I’m on my fourth foil. Reasonable happy at the moment. The foils prior to this were rubbish. Only due to discovering the Severne Redwing foil and Alien board whilst renting it in Prasonisi I finally had that awesome feeling on effortless cruising and jibing on the foil.
Very very interesting, I hope some brands will watch this video and try some initiatives to improve the situation. Yes starting foiling with windsurfing is crazy today, brands are not focused on average people and that's a mistake I think which will impact next years with less and less people wanting to try this. There is a clear lack of ressources, and I would like to add that finding a school or somewhere to learn windsurf foiling is almost impossible now so you need to start alone in the death valley...I fully agree the result is a switch to wing where brands are focused on average people with plenty of resources and schools. Thanks a lot for your video and let's hope for an improvement 🎉
I agree - windsurf is windsurf not wind foil !, BTW the windsurfing is a hard, tough, and long process learning and new age of young people are too much lazy for windsurf
I started on a Slingshot foil and Board Wizard. That was perfect for freeriding. But i love racing. So now until 23 knots I am on the iq foil and Slalom foil sails. From 25 knots on I am still on the iq foil with a 4.2 or 4.5 wave sail. The iq foil is a real allrounder for freeriders and freeracers. I hit 26-27 knots even with the 900 front wing. Its super easy and stable. The 650 Frontwing is good when fully powered. And its plug and play. No need for huge adjustment stuff.
In my opinion you should think of it as various pathways... If it's racing your into best stick to a "one design" class... "development classes" rely on having the best gear to win which isn't really fun for the hack with skillz 😊 is it .. just fun for the rich 🤑
Hi Mario,
great comments from you side. In several cases this hast happened in windsurfing in the same way. In many cases now these companies just did the same what always do. I remember 20 years we had issues with cambers of one of the most popular sail companies. The boss in Germany clearly stated our "No issues, you rigged it wrong". We went to Netherlands and in a shop the importeur of that company has been. He said it is known and you just need to cut the camber a bit. It still took years to change it generally.
The board division of this company of course had years later inflatables. I wrote that with my 70kg I'm not able to reach to pump to the recommend pressure. The boss again answered that his 7 years old child can easily do this. In the next surf magazine they showed an easy going thinner pump. Why didn't Just tell me that?
I started windfoiling with a JP FSW with 94L it has been a compromise and and it is not bad, because I could my equipment. But at the same time it is just light wind playing and I'm still changing to fin as soon as possible.
Jochen
Wow this is so bad.i windsurf moved on to kitesurfing. I have noticed. Guys buy fiols .and then there up for sale. The industry a joke.i hope the Olympics helps,from a foiling point of view. As I assume they have the.best gear..Nick
Thanx for sharing your knowledge! How do you explain that the same companies that make wind foils, also make wing foils and do such a good job with them?
Great points, Mario. Especially about freeride boards with foil box. YOu try foil with freeride board and realise it is not working. and then you have to buy a foilboard cause you already bought a foil. thats marketing
Very nice Video ... I am Not a racing Guy so I started direct with a Foilboard und 2m ... and after a year I changed to a 114 Liter Slingshot Board under 1,8m ... Thats very nice for Lightwind Foiling ... Very slow but way faster than winging.
The Windsurf Industry dont understand the difference between windfoiling and Windsurfing ... a Board for both will never Work ...
Same with wavesurfing ... You have to learn it on a bigger Board with a smaller sail ... Go Out non planing and learn to use the Power of the Wave ... Dont listen to the Stories from the Produktion Brands ... They all telling lies !!! I am sick from all the full Carbon Stories and when you repair your stuff you find only cheap glass and dark coloured epoxy ... 😂😂😂
I mainly love bump and jump windsurf and look for big swell days and I am learning to wave ride.
I got into foiling with a used Slingshot Wizard 125 and Infinity Foil - the system worked but it is not without Problems: Wizard uses non standard foil box, and Infinity Foil was poorly engineered and heavy.
I find my windsurf foiling is more upwind / downwind, and I try and ride swell on the downwind side - this only happens in higher winds where my 5.0 windsurf soil wont work. My path is different than most foilers I see. In flat water and super light wind I go further afield to explore.
I also am inspired by Greg Glazier and other windsurf foilers doing it different.
Maybe I will finally go to Winging, but for now I love the windsurf foiling when I can't get planing with a 5.0 windsurf sail.
P S one of my favourite of your videos was your wave sailing session. That is how I feel but I plan to keep going back until I get it
NP Glide Wind from 2021 was terrible. They still sell it in a slightly different form. Way to short Fuselage. A lot of dolphin. Then i went to AFS, way better. Now i bought the Phantom Iris X Slalom, just to get the best experience and leave the freeride foil path. They have to stop selling the freeride foils or make them better as advertised,
May be was I lucky when I started out foiling back in 2018, but I rather fancy that it just took me some thinking before spending money on a brand that invested in cool video. And first understand that foiling is basically flying : When I discovered windsurf foiling, as a professional pilot, I immediatly saw how it relates to sailplane. And I met the guy behind Aeromod foil, and I knew this guy understood what he was talking about, and we talked the same aeronautical language, no beach crap thinking.
I stick to Aeromod, because its foil are simply working, full carbon, so no corrosion issue, and you can still order parts from its first models as Alex only make them on the demand, and he keeps the molds of every gear he developped. Overall, I only bought two windsurf foil and a winging one, and I am sure I can still use those for years. And I switched from windsurfing one week on distant vacation a year to twice a week at a nearby lake all year long.
My first foils had some problems abd were made obsolete, and I was using it with a freeride board. For a few years now I've had a great foil board and a good F4 foil, very stiff. I get so much more time on the water compared to fin. It's been revolutionary, but with a coat $$ haha.
he Mario, very good video. I completely agree with you. I do windsurfing and many other water sports. of windfoiling I like the freeridefoil discipline the most. I don't have to go crazy. I just want to be able to foil relaxed with little to medium wind. And not have to think much about the setup. After several brands I found a setup that works. But I had to find out for myself what worked. I still don't understand that some brands sell really bad freeride stuff. neilpryde is a brand that has been selling the same beginner/freeride foil for years. every year in a different color. the fusalage is way too short. front wing not really meant for windfoiling. I don't understand that they keep selling it. severne with the redwing and alien board is a setup that sails super nice and is well thought out. but in my opinion it is one of the few. and what I see in the Netherlands is that many windfoilers go to wings or back to windsurfing. especially because tuning makes it a very difficult discipline.
I aggree with your points but as you are saying for foiling you need dedicated gear. Since the most windsurfers won't give up the fin at all not many people have the money, but also the storage for having dedicated foil boards and maybe also sails additional to their windsurf gear. Also going to the airplane with that wide boards is not funny. This is why in my opinion as a light wind alternative everbody go to wing and why freeride foil will be still dead even when the products would become better.
For me will be interesting how it will be on competition special on non professional level. Because not everybody has the money to buy the new foil every year to be competetive special the youth. So the fin is cheaper and more fair also on the competiton level if we talk about amateurs.
Competition should bring better products at lower prices; with wing foil you can have fun much easier than ws and not so risky as kite, let's see what happens
i totally agree with your assessment, I went out on purpose made foil board and free ride board , there is no comparison .
I remember the pink NP foil, and honestly, I don’t know anyone whose mast wasn’t bent sooner or later.
A very similar thing happens in Surfing - little to zero ways of people finding out how to buy the right surfboard - or even one that is good. I think you have a great opportunity and platform to educate people coming over to foiling and its huge water time benefits.
I couldn't agree more with you! Thks for telling the truth!
I Love foiling soooo much, but there was so much bad material on the market and it is still so difficult to chose
"We finally had a stiff mast" ..... that's what she said?
Du bist also eine professioneller Windurfer … sorry mein Englisch ist nicht so gut 😮..
I'm full full agree with you.
Great points, totally agree!
So, what would be the most fun-to-ride freeride foil board now? For lightest winds, 7-12 knots, with 6.5 sail? Strong construction is a must. Cruising, gybing, may be carving 360s?
My most fun board up until today with the best quality I ever had was the Future Fly 145. But 7 knots is hard with these smaller boards… cheap boards with super strong construction do not exist as of today (from what I know), only if you go custom.
You forgot the biggest problem with foils is they need to agree on a common connection for the mast, fuselage and wings! At the moment no brand is compatible with another. I do agree with everything else you said 👍. Maybe only release products every two years (sails,boards,foils…) so they can develop a better product.
It's not only that one brand isn't compatible with the other brands, but that one brand is creating new gear, that isn't compatible with the last year gear, so you have to buy everything anew, mast, fuselage and wings. Ask them why! They say, they put much research into better connections, that won't break, larger screws that hold better.But it is nothing else than marketing. You won't be able to buy a new high aspect wing alone for 300.-€, you have to buy a new complete foil for 1500.- This is the same with wingfoiling!! In three years, the cost for new winggear rocketed into the sky like nothing else!
Does the same problem exist with freeride wing foils? I would also be completely lost when choosing a brand. Basically went for RRD for board an foil and am happy with it but I have no comparison.
With winging these problems are way less from what I know, since speed is also not a top priority
Great Video and very relatable content , I have been struggling windsurf foiling with a brand that has continually changed its foil seats so none of the new foils fits the last generation won’t name the brand. But freeride , gt, superflyer , super cruiser might give you an idea.
Simply put they are all slow and unstable and unpredictable .
I then went wingfoiling on an Italian brand and it feels super easy and fast, everything is interchangeable.
I now feel that I have invested €0000’s in windfoiling and feel unsupported by the brand as they have developed my foils into obscurity.
I understand it’s a development sport but feel there should be more help available to put people on the right path.
Yes I agree SB foils are a total mess😮. But just to kill my cuoriosity, which Italian brand are we talking about?
I thinking winging has killed windfoiling in the uk. I still love to windsurf though 😎
"killing"??... there must be a reason. or reasons....... thought about that?
Great Mario 👌
Sorry , bin nicht deiner Meinung… kurz gesagt- wie lange gibt es Windsurfen ? Wie lange windfoilen ?
Schaut euch die unterschiede der Ausrüstung vom windsurfen in den ersten 10 jahren an ….
Ich weiß aus Insights z.B., wie wenig Arbeit in den Bereich der Freeride Foils fließt und wieviel in den der Racefoils. Beim Wingen läuft das anders und da zieht es viele Windsurfer nun hin.
Wenn unsere Windsurfbranche dieses Problem nicht anerkennt, verlieren wir immer mehr Menschen.
Und klar, ich stimme dir 100% zu, natürlich ist am Anfang nicht alles perfekt. Aber inzwischen weiß jede Marke, wie man ein brauchbares Foil baut. Es gibt 10 Marken die Top Race Foils produzieren. Das dann ein Freeride Foil absolut bescheiden funktioniert, dafür gibt es meiner Meinung nach keine Ausreden...
I will stick with windsurfing. Love the Heli-tack and Push-tack but this cannot be done on a foil.
It can be done ... 😊😊😊
@@thomaskuchta2623 feel free to share your video then with the foil in the air...
Heli-tack can be done: ruclips.net/video/DVmEevNz3MI/видео.html
What's the best freeride foil today ?
starboard :)
Sabfoil
This video is unwatchable.
start with "whats'up guys" and be turned off immediately
Phantom foiling has a whatsapp group and there is a lot of explanation in the community