But seriously. A picture of the PrimeWeld welder with BIG MISTAKE!! plastered above and a title "Not Enough Power! Primeweld 225X AC/DC Tig Welder Update". Kind of misleading don't ya think?
Yeah, it looks like you were complaining about the welder. That's why I clicked. You did post the generator name and blame that machine. Or title it as "Generator to power welder fail"
I have A225 Primeweld run it on a Harbor freight predator 9000 generator all day long have no problems. Doing it it for about 2 1/2 yrs or so . As well as a PrimeWeld 60 cutter .
Oh that's good to hear! I just ordered this welder and have the 8750/7000w predator which is basically the same as the 9000w predator(same 420cc motor). I plan on welding with it alot since I won't have real power for awhile
I just ran a 6awg wire from my breaker box with a 50amp breaker it only cost me around 250 man it's not that bad. I also have the primeweld 225 and prime weld cut 60
Just run it off your wall outlet 120 volts that machine will do plenty with it I just filled it some quarter inch aluminum with it plugged into a wall that let the other day had to preheat it but welded like butter that is a great machine
Be very cautious with running inverter welders on generators. If you have a poor quality generator that is noisy (harmonic distortion is a common measure of electrical quality) you can destroy inverter welders. A fairly common spec is under 5% total harmonic distortion (THD). The bigger the generator the less your load is going to tax the generator. If you run a heavy load on a lower power generator you will have your surging issue because the power drawn will draw the voltage down more. That will be terrible for your weld quality. Check the specs on the welder - the 7000w you mentioned as being recommended may not be the end of the story. You need to know if that is starting watts or running watts. You also need to be aware of the circuit breaker on the generator. No generator can give you more power than what the breaker trips at, so any wattage above the breaker limit (watts is amps x volts - so divide the wattage by the voltage to get the current ability and if that is higher than the breaker you have more power from the generator than the breaker can withstand). Moral of the point - watch all 3 specs - the generator wattage, the main breaker amperage, and what the welder requires. Additionally - if you have an electric clothes dryer you likely already have a 30 amp 120/240v outlet. For temporary/intermittent use you can run an extension cord from that outlet to where you are welding. This is what I do, although the outlet is under 20 feet from the welder and other equipment. The cable you want to use is 4 conductor SO grade - it is typically used for equipment hook-up cable and RV extension cords. You can buy it online. The longer your cable run the larger the conductors need to be. If it were me and I were to run a 100 foot length I would use no smaller than 8 gauge. 6 gauge would be better. It isn't the current that will be your enemy - it is the voltage drop through the cable because of the current. The larger the wire the better the voltage at your load = welder. Also note that larger 4 conductor cable will usually have 3 conductors of the spec gauge. So for a 6 gauge 4 conductor SO cable you may get 3x 6 gauge conductors. These are your 2x hot lines and neutral. Your ground conductor may be 10 gauge. Some SO cable (or SOOW, similar stuff) will have all 4 the same size conductors. Though the welder uses a 3 pin plug it is easier to run all 4 in case you have a larger 120v load - like an air compressor, band saw, what have you. Use the NMEA 14-30 for 30 amp service (dryer plug). Never up-size the breaker - so don't swap out the 30 amp breaker for a 50 amp breaker on that circuit. If you need a bigger breaker you need to run correct size plugs/outlets and cable. However, I think everything you could possibly need to weld in your garage will run on a 30 amp circuit - especially if all you are doing is TIG. Unless you are running much over 120 amps welding current I doubt you'll have issues on a 30 amp breaker/circuit (provided you have large enough cable to not have a big voltage drop between the outlet and the welder). A 30 amp dryer plug is most likely wired with 10 gauge Romex. Don't think you can get by with 10 gauge for extending the circuit unless it is a short run. You will already have 10 gauge between the breaker and the outlet for voltage drop under load - don't pour salt on a wound and continue on with a small cable - that's where the 8, or better yet, 6 gauge cable is necessary. Good luck with it and have fun with your new welder!!!!
I do have a large extension cord made for welding. I'll have to look to see what size it is. I'll be sure to update in a future video. Yes, 7000 was running watts that I was referring to. You bring up excellent points.
That "4500" watt is a peak number. Continuous is probably more like 3000 watts. Which equals a constant 12.5 amps at 240 (3000/240). So maybe try it the 110 plug 3000/120=25 amps) to see if it's the lack of power or the dirty sine wave. btw, the only real difference (sometimes zero difference) between a 4500w gen and a 8500w is the size/horse power of the motor.
You need a bare minimum of 12000 watts continuous & 20% surge capacity to run a 50 amp branch circuit on 240volts. Your 4500watt would only run the adapter to 120volt and not be able to use the welder to its full capacity.
Bro, right on! The only commenter who knows their shit and you didn’t even have to write a book about it. 😆 Most people are trying to run their welders off the 20 or 30 amp circuit and expect it to work at 4000 watts too. The average welder will pull 6500 watts! I have a 13000 watt duromax with the 50amp circuit and I’ve run an inverter stick welder and an inverter plasma cutter on it, no problems. All these people talking about having to have an inverter generator have their information twisted somewhere.
Nobody runs 50amps on a 50amp 240 circuit though.. they run 80% of 50amps which is 40amps and 9600w. Same reason you will never see a item that is sold for a 120v outlet that's more than 1500w even though a 15amp outlet can do "1800w".
13kw max power or continuous? I have a 9000w/7250w (max/continuous) generator and plan on using this welder with it. I plan on welding aluminum mostly.. no more than 1/8in thick. I think I should be fine.
If your going to run a welder on a generator 4500 is only enough to do short circuit mig under 16 volts, and not long runs depending on the gen. I would look at a 10k generator for welding and what alot of people forget is the generators like yours will pop the breaker at around 15 amps on 110 20 amps 120 so you want to run on the 30 amp or 220/240 volt plug ins and you'll probably get 20 to 30 amps. So your generator with say 2 110 outlets means its designed to run 1,650 volts each continuously double that you get 3,300 coincidentally that's your running with a peak of 4500 that's how your generator is designed to work. So use the 30 amp or 220 volt plug to try and run a single high output item won't help much you'll still surge but it's how the generators designed to work.so look at the generators carefully when picking the HF ones are typically 23 amps around you want 30 for your welder on 120 volt. Example 30x120=3600 30×220=6600 30x240=7200 divide by the number of outlets each breaker is running and you'll notice another similarity in generators and rattings and see how many breakers are on it. So do a little math when picking your generator and see if it fits your needs and how they are designing to work the load across 4 110 outlets or splitting 110 and 220 volt you get the idea.
@@machaf well, I believe there’s something that doesn’t add up because you definitely don’t need an inverter generator to run an inverter welder, and it’s impossible to get less than 3% THD in the real world. General can make any claims they like, but they probably tested it through a gigantic isolation transformer in a vacuum. I believe something was wrong with your original duromax, or it was a 30 amp outlet.
@@machaf wow, your insecurity is really showing here pumpkin. I made a simple comment about why a didn’t think it added up (it still doesn’t) and you crumbled like a cookie. How old are you sweetie?
VERY poor title for your video, and not at all fair to PRIMEWELD! I would have been SHOCKED if you were able to run that welder properly off of that Generator. Your title looks like it blames PRIMEWELD for this. I'd delete this video or edit your title ASAP. You are doing a Disservice to the tool community posting this as it is.
Normally I just let negative comments slide, but I'm not going to this time. Maybe you should go watch the video again! I made this video so people would know not to use a small generator and expect it to work. I clearly state that in the video and never state anything negative about Primeweld.
Haha, the armchair expert electricians in the comments are hilarious, especially the one that wrote the novel about inverter generators and harmonic distortion. It’s simple... the average welder pulls 6500 watts, so double that for peak wattage and you’re golden. Wow, I didn’t even have to write my memoirs or qualify my comment with a bunch of jibberish. Hahahaha, “clean power” wtf?
Sounds like you're the arm chair buddy...You obviously have never welded a thing in your life. Or you'd understand the difference between transformer welders and inverter welders... With all your experience i'm sure you use 6010 on an inverter right? lol
Did the people that made negative comments even watch the video? I'm glad for the title as I had planned on using this welder with a generator. but now I know not too use my current generator. Dang negative nannies need to pay attention and not jump to conclusions. Besides im fairly sure the welders good enough to stick up for itself.
Your title is misleading. It’s not that your welder doesn’t have enough power. It’s your 110 generator
Not misleading at all. Was very predictable actually
And he told the truth. But yet you who does not truely belive in truth does not tell the truth.
@@tatertots-n-soup he edited the title because his first title blamed the welder
But seriously. A picture of the PrimeWeld welder with BIG MISTAKE!! plastered above and a title "Not Enough Power! Primeweld 225X AC/DC Tig Welder Update". Kind of misleading don't ya think?
I explained it in the video, didn't I? I explained what I felt was important information. I can see how it is clickbait like though.
Yeah, it looks like you were complaining about the welder. That's why I clicked. You did post the generator name and blame that machine. Or title it as "Generator to power welder fail"
I have A225 Primeweld run it on a Harbor freight predator 9000 generator all day long have no problems. Doing it it for about 2 1/2 yrs or so . As well as a PrimeWeld 60 cutter .
Are plugging it into the 220 putlet or 110
Oh that's good to hear! I just ordered this welder and have the 8750/7000w predator which is basically the same as the 9000w predator(same 420cc motor). I plan on welding with it alot since I won't have real power for awhile
Kinda late . But how is it running now . And are u running it on the 220 outlet? Or did u find a better generator for the welder ?
I just ran a 6awg wire from my breaker box with a 50amp breaker it only cost me around 250 man it's not that bad. I also have the primeweld 225 and prime weld cut 60
Did you do it yourself or have an electrician do it?
Just run it off your wall outlet 120 volts that machine will do plenty with it I just filled it some quarter inch aluminum with it plugged into a wall that let the other day had to preheat it but welded like butter that is a great machine
The only wall socket available is only 15 amps and it's running the lights in the shop already...
Be very cautious with running inverter welders on generators. If you have a poor quality generator that is noisy (harmonic distortion is a common measure of electrical quality) you can destroy inverter welders. A fairly common spec is under 5% total harmonic distortion (THD). The bigger the generator the less your load is going to tax the generator. If you run a heavy load on a lower power generator you will have your surging issue because the power drawn will draw the voltage down more. That will be terrible for your weld quality. Check the specs on the welder - the 7000w you mentioned as being recommended may not be the end of the story. You need to know if that is starting watts or running watts. You also need to be aware of the circuit breaker on the generator. No generator can give you more power than what the breaker trips at, so any wattage above the breaker limit (watts is amps x volts - so divide the wattage by the voltage to get the current ability and if that is higher than the breaker you have more power from the generator than the breaker can withstand). Moral of the point - watch all 3 specs - the generator wattage, the main breaker amperage, and what the welder requires.
Additionally - if you have an electric clothes dryer you likely already have a 30 amp 120/240v outlet. For temporary/intermittent use you can run an extension cord from that outlet to where you are welding. This is what I do, although the outlet is under 20 feet from the welder and other equipment. The cable you want to use is 4 conductor SO grade - it is typically used for equipment hook-up cable and RV extension cords. You can buy it online. The longer your cable run the larger the conductors need to be. If it were me and I were to run a 100 foot length I would use no smaller than 8 gauge. 6 gauge would be better. It isn't the current that will be your enemy - it is the voltage drop through the cable because of the current. The larger the wire the better the voltage at your load = welder. Also note that larger 4 conductor cable will usually have 3 conductors of the spec gauge. So for a 6 gauge 4 conductor SO cable you may get 3x 6 gauge conductors. These are your 2x hot lines and neutral. Your ground conductor may be 10 gauge. Some SO cable (or SOOW, similar stuff) will have all 4 the same size conductors.
Though the welder uses a 3 pin plug it is easier to run all 4 in case you have a larger 120v load - like an air compressor, band saw, what have you. Use the NMEA 14-30 for 30 amp service (dryer plug). Never up-size the breaker - so don't swap out the 30 amp breaker for a 50 amp breaker on that circuit. If you need a bigger breaker you need to run correct size plugs/outlets and cable. However, I think everything you could possibly need to weld in your garage will run on a 30 amp circuit - especially if all you are doing is TIG. Unless you are running much over 120 amps welding current I doubt you'll have issues on a 30 amp breaker/circuit (provided you have large enough cable to not have a big voltage drop between the outlet and the welder). A 30 amp dryer plug is most likely wired with 10 gauge Romex. Don't think you can get by with 10 gauge for extending the circuit unless it is a short run. You will already have 10 gauge between the breaker and the outlet for voltage drop under load - don't pour salt on a wound and continue on with a small cable - that's where the 8, or better yet, 6 gauge cable is necessary.
Good luck with it and have fun with your new welder!!!!
I do have a large extension cord made for welding. I'll have to look to see what size it is. I'll be sure to update in a future video. Yes, 7000 was running watts that I was referring to. You bring up excellent points.
That "4500" watt is a peak number. Continuous is probably more like 3000 watts. Which equals a constant 12.5 amps at 240 (3000/240). So maybe try it the 110 plug 3000/120=25 amps) to see if it's the lack of power or the dirty sine wave.
btw, the only real difference (sometimes zero difference) between a 4500w gen and a 8500w is the size/horse power of the motor.
i have the predator 13,500 watt....with a 50 amp outlet....more is better when it comes to generators
Exactly!
You need a bare minimum of 12000 watts continuous & 20% surge capacity to run a 50 amp branch circuit on 240volts. Your 4500watt would only run the adapter to 120volt and not be able to use the welder to its full capacity.
Bro, right on! The only commenter who knows their shit and you didn’t even have to write a book about it. 😆 Most people are trying to run their welders off the 20 or 30 amp circuit and expect it to work at 4000 watts too. The average welder will pull 6500 watts! I have a 13000 watt duromax with the 50amp circuit and I’ve run an inverter stick welder and an inverter plasma cutter on it, no problems. All these people talking about having to have an inverter generator have their information twisted somewhere.
Nobody runs 50amps on a 50amp 240 circuit though.. they run 80% of 50amps which is 40amps and 9600w. Same reason you will never see a item that is sold for a 120v outlet that's more than 1500w even though a 15amp outlet can do "1800w".
Got the same welder, you need a 13kW generator for max power.
13kw max power or continuous? I have a 9000w/7250w (max/continuous) generator and plan on using this welder with it. I plan on welding aluminum mostly.. no more than 1/8in thick. I think I should be fine.
@@randybobandy9828 13k peak 10.5k running, with a 6 gauge 50ft extention cord. Could get away with less, but I wanted all the options.
What generator exactly are u using .. in the market for one .
No information here
Just a ponderous vid of a guy trying to run a 30A load on an optimistic 18A of power
Plenty of potential on 120v
"not enough brain cells"
If your going to run a welder on a generator 4500 is only enough to do short circuit mig under 16 volts, and not long runs depending on the gen. I would look at a 10k generator for welding and what alot of people forget is the generators like yours will pop the breaker at around 15 amps on 110 20 amps 120 so you want to run on the 30 amp or 220/240 volt plug ins and you'll probably get 20 to 30 amps. So your generator with say 2 110 outlets means its designed to run 1,650 volts each continuously double that you get 3,300 coincidentally that's your running with a peak of 4500 that's how your generator is designed to work. So use the 30 amp or 220 volt plug to try and run a single high output item won't help much you'll still surge but it's how the generators designed to work.so look at the generators carefully when picking the HF ones are typically 23 amps around you want 30 for your welder on 120 volt. Example 30x120=3600 30×220=6600 30x240=7200 divide by the number of outlets each breaker is running and you'll notice another similarity in generators and rattings and see how many breakers are on it. So do a little math when picking your generator and see if it fits your needs and how they are designing to work the load across 4 110 outlets or splitting 110 and 220 volt you get the idea.
"Didn't wanna spend the money"... well there's your first problem. You did buy a $700 machine 🤷♂️ Electricity isn't hard.... google Ohm's law.
That generator will not run that welder you made it sound like the welder wasn’t good in your title plug your welder in too your 220 drier plug
Lol it will run it.. just not to its full capacity.
Yeah, buy a bigger generator is a good idea, in the manual it says 10kva.
I have a 12x starting watts that runs 9k watts continuously. Wonder if that is enough to run my primewelder.
It should. I have an update video that I'm going to do.
@@livetorace163 cool thanks. Subscribed!
A shop with no power is to gay to be welding in...I have a prime weld 225x ...its great
I choked on my food reading this. Hilarious
You need an inverter generator or a generator with THD
Did your Duromax have a 50 amp outlet?
@@randomschittz9461 Yes.
@@machaf well, I believe there’s something that doesn’t add up because you definitely don’t need an inverter generator to run an inverter welder, and it’s impossible to get less than 3% THD in the real world. General can make any claims they like, but they probably tested it through a gigantic isolation transformer in a vacuum. I believe something was wrong with your original duromax, or it was a 30 amp outlet.
@@randomschittz9461 Everything adds up fine, you just don't get it....The Duromax just doesn't produce 'clean' power because its THD is 12-20%, vs
@@machaf wow, your insecurity is really showing here pumpkin. I made a simple comment about why a didn’t think it added up (it still doesn’t) and you crumbled like a cookie. How old are you sweetie?
VERY poor title for your video, and not at all fair to PRIMEWELD! I would have been SHOCKED if you were able to run that welder properly off of that Generator. Your title looks like it blames PRIMEWELD for this. I'd delete this video or edit your title ASAP. You are doing a Disservice to the tool community posting this as it is.
Normally I just let negative comments slide, but I'm not going to this time. Maybe you should go watch the video again! I made this video so people would know not to use a small generator and expect it to work. I clearly state that in the video and never state anything negative about Primeweld.
Haha, the armchair expert electricians in the comments are hilarious, especially the one that wrote the novel about inverter generators and harmonic distortion. It’s simple... the average welder pulls 6500 watts, so double that for peak wattage and you’re golden. Wow, I didn’t even have to write my memoirs or qualify my comment with a bunch of jibberish. Hahahaha, “clean power” wtf?
Sounds like you're the arm chair buddy...You obviously have never welded a thing in your life. Or you'd understand the difference between transformer welders and inverter welders... With all your experience i'm sure you use 6010 on an inverter right? lol
Did the people that made negative comments even watch the video? I'm glad for the title as I had planned on using this welder with a generator. but now I know not too use my current generator. Dang negative nannies need to pay attention and not jump to conclusions. Besides im fairly sure the welders good enough to stick up for itself.
If I were PRIMEWELD, I'd likely consider legal action for your defamation video due to lack of knowledge looking to point blame for no reason.
If I pointed blame at them they might, but I didn't so....