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Yeap. Beacouse of Henning 😂. Dude! Some comparisons reveal things so counterintuitive as far as sounds go. Nevertheless.... This is a great effort... Will revisit!
Thanks! I don’t think any of it is counterintuitive, it just goes against the common myths that we’re told by friends who were told by other friends and so on.... this should help settle a few arguments I’m sure
@@adamsteelproducer Amazing systematic work, really enlightening. The clean strat sound in my head has always been that alnico blue... oh the chime... So absolutely unforgiving. The fusion example with backing track is really transversal, because the overtones of the lead guitar can be dissonant and harsh, blend irrelevantly with the mix or make him sound like a guitar God. The next step is mix and match speakers in a 2x12, right? 26 times 26... 6hours... adds up roughly to a 169 day video. Just an idea....
I'm a speaker nerd and so happy I found this video. 6 hours, even if my wife and daughter do not agree, I will try my very best to do not miss a minute.
Properly done demo! How the speaker translates your guitar and amp into the complete mix is the most important aspect. Some speakers sound weird by themselves, but somehow sit in the mix perfectly.
This is awesome! I really think a lot of players under appreciate the role of the speaker as a determinant of their sound. I hope you get enough success from this video to justify the amount of work to do a shootout like this for other brands like WGS.
Really love that you included the room mics in this shootout. It's amazing how consistently loud the 30w anniversary and the K-100s are across all ranges of gain, definitely would choose those to play live. Also, it's groundbreaking to finally HEAR the differences between 8ohm and 16ohm speakers, instead of just taking words for granted from specialists.
I purchased the Anniversary years ago after hearing it perform consistently well in shootouts. It sounds incredible in person. It just lets whatever amp you're running do its thing.
That 10" VT JUNIOR is the Star of the show. Great full tone without being too boomy and leaves a ton of room for all the other instruments. Thanks for that amazing demo my man.
I love the copperback sound. It has a slightly higher frequency response than the others (goes up to 5500Hz instead of just 5000Hz), and doesn’t get muddy as quickly as other speakers when I use loads of effects with it. Not to mention I can throw absolutely any amp at it and it will never be overwhelmed.
A little over 2 hours in...this is an incredible gold mine for tone chasers! Absolutely loving this video. Can't wait to finish it. Thanks for all the work you put into this. Would definitely watch a speaker "brand comparison" video in the future (hint hint lol) Keep up this incredible content. You gained another subscriber 🤘
This is nuts, in the best possible way. Henning sent me as well. And I am actually going to use it (tiny bits of it anyway). Thank you, you crazy person you. Overwhelming.
Great work!! They make/made a few for Hughes & Kettner. The Rockdriver Classic 60 and the Rockdriver jr. Do you happen to know what the equivalent of those speakers are?
Jesus, this is insane. Even through iPad speakers, differences are pretty obvious. Absolutely incredible work putting this together. So much to learn, which is what Adam and Hop Pole as a channel have become known for. Just an outstanding resource and excellently delivered.
Great video and a lot of effort to make it scientifically correct in comparisons. I do have to say that the heat explanation is much different than what I have seen and been taught when it comes to speakers First off, there is no friction in the voice coil. No parts rub together. LOL. There is an air gap. When rubbing does occur, the speaker is toast. The heat does not come from friction. It comes from too much power going through too small of gauge wire. When more voltage is used, thicker wire is required. You can get more voltage through a thinner wire with cooling, hence the screen that lets air go through the voice coil. What happens when a wire gets hot is the insulation material on the wire melts off and the winding is shorted. The voltage no longer has to travel all the way through the entire length of wire that is wrapped on the coil. It just found a short cut to the end of the wire via the short circuit. Not only does this put an uneven magnetic field in the voice coil, it changes the impedance. depending on how much wire is taken out of the short cut this can vary. It always lowers the impedance. !6 ohm speakers have more wire and therefore more wraps. Lowering the impedance causes all kinds of issues. If your amp has an 8 ohm speaker output and you hook up a 4 ohm speaker, it draws more power from the amp. This can and will damage the amp with prolong usage this way. If you hook up a 2 ohm speaker, the load on the amp is increased even more and it will fail even sooner. Shorts in the voice coil do this. They reduce the impedance and the amp sees a much lower ohm speaker and sends even more voltage through the already under rated wire gauge and the heat is multiplied with it. The under rated wire in the voice coil gets very hot. Think light bulb filament. And that is not even mentioning what is going on in the amp, I believe mainly in the output transformer, having to try and push more voltage than it is rated for, hence the same phenomena going on in the windings there. Heat is a bad thing. In speakers and amps.
It seems to always come back to the clarity of the greenbacks no matter what they are up against… I guess EQing for exact tone is still where it’s at… appreciate the insane amount of work this took guys
I don't know if I will listen to the whole video, But I think we should appreciate what he has done. Great job Adam, what a massive undertaking. Congrats on putting together the recording, editing, mixing, and bringing the talent together to take this challenge on. Keep up the great work.
Time stamp for my fav speakers. Classi Rock w/ Backing Track Alnico Cream 3:57:11 G12H30 Anniv 4:02:31 Creamback H 4:03:29 Creamback M 4:04:55 V-Type 4:07:20
After listening to this, I still have to say my favourite speakers are the Alnico Blue, and the G12H30. Love them both. Thanks for what looks like months of work, mate!
Hey Adam, just consulting this for the millionth time, and thought you might like to know a bit of trivia I've discovered: the "Vintage 30" name comes from the fact that those speakers were released in 1987, the 30th anniversary of Celestion "proper" going into full production. And they were trying to capture the Alnico Blue "thing" because 1987 also happened to be Marshall's 25th birthday (Silver Jubilee and all that), and Marshall wanted Celestion to create a speaker which would sound reasonably accurate in a 25th anniversary Bluesbreaker reissue combo, but which wouldn't blow up if you dimed the amp, as the Alnico Blues in the original JTM45 combos often did. So "Vintage" for the reissues Marshall was doing in 1987 (the amp and standalone cabs as welll), and "30" for commemorating Celestion's 30th birthday with what they intended as a modernized version of the speaker that put them on the map.
I'm pleasantly surprised, I've been looking at the Creambacks for a while... but the Alnico Blue was my favorite across the board. Sizzly at times but not unpleasantly so.
Awesome video! I was very surprised at some of the sounds. I use vintage 30's and g12h creambacks. I really really like the hemp back! never heard of that speaker before. Think it will pair really well with my creamback or lynchback. Killer killer work by you and all the guitarists you brought together.
Adam, you, sir, are a monster. The sad thing is... thanks to this video, I now know that I need to buy a few speakers I think might be up my alley and try them in my own cabs with my own set-up... I love you and I hate you at the same time, lol. But in all seriousness, what an amazing job and what a monumental task you have achieved.
Dude. This is such a valuable video. Thank you. I have not listened to every word of your 6!!!-hour video. Did you talk about speaker sensitivity? I understand generically what it means but do you think it makes a big tone difference for a given power rating?
One problem with larger speakers is poor high frequency dispersion. 1x12 combos sound more dull the further you move from the center. The Supro Thunderbolt has a 15" speaker, but it has a wooden cross to diffuse the highs across the room. People use beam blockers and the Mitchell Foam Donut to alleviate the issue. However, it's not really a problem if you play alone in your home.
Hi there! I really appreciate your effort on this. SO, I have an old Carvin cab that came with these speakers that aren't made anymore. Celestion G12s 50w. From the 90s. I think they sound a lot like Twisted Sister's "Stay Hungry" album. But of course JJ French denied that, and talked about the speakers they used live on the tour, but never what they used in studio. I took two of them out and paired them with some G12h 70th anniversary. Let me know if you're interested in hearing them. I'll send you a FB video or something.
Adam this video should be the ultimate Celestion comparison as of 2021. This video must need a lot of effort to make and the amount of information is enormous. Thank you for this. I listen to this not because I want to buy celestion speaker, but for giving me a rough idea on how each celestion speaker sounds like. I use that knowledge to select impulse response that is suitable for amp sim that use.
what really gets me is pricing of speakers nowadays... you mentioned greenbacks were cheaper to make , and now they are one of the most expensive speakers to be had.....love the video by the way Great Job !
This is an awesome video, a palette of all the Celestion speaker colours for every player to choose from. I can't even imagine the amount of work you put into this. Kudos! 👏 Especially appreciate the well done impedance part, the SS power amp makes it clear for me.
Remarkable video man big props! The only thing I would have wished for is to have a Alnico Silver Bell speaker in here for comparison. Otherwise perfectly done!!
I am in love with the darn Alnico Blues and oddly, the G10 Vintage. I am especially surprised how much John Browne's bit rings good to my ears with the Alnico Blue. Happy to have this reference! A great complement to Johan Segeborn's insatiable classic speaker playthroughs.
"Boss, I'll take tomorrow off. I need to watch a RUclips video!" "OK, then. Wait a sec, you need to WHAT?" - Over 6 hours is just insane, dude, but in the best way. Impressive work. Unfortunately I think it might take me weeks to watch the whole thing...
Haha thanks! It’s very much intended as a reference that people can come back to- the second half is wall to wall clips so it’s more that you can pick your poison and flick through
@@adamsteelproducer I understand that, I'm just too curious to not watch the effing whole thing ;) And I can't thank you enough, because I don't know how many times I've opened the Celestion IR page and then closed it again after sitting there for 10 minutes completely incapacitated by option paralysis
I know right? I did my first video series before Celestion IRs were even a thing, and now I’ve put my stamp on it so hopefully it’s the go-to at least for a while 😀
Hi. Brilliant video. Thanks for making it. A-type, V-type and V30 were my favourites. Questions: 1. What about showing a 8ohm tap to 16 ohm speaker result? eg: this happens to Mesa head owners sometimes having to run through a 16ohm cab. 2. Do 2x 8ohm speakers in serial in a cab produce the same result as a 16 ohm speaker, eg: the additional brightness? 3. Why no 70/80 tested? 4. and curious what Celestion is the Mesa branded speaker closest to in Celestion range? Regards and thanks again for the herculean effort.
Now this is a video worth watching and listening to. Congratulations on the effort. This really puts things into perspective and that's a understatement.
It will take some time for me to actually get through all of this beast. But, congrats on getting it done and sharing your speaker knowledge and attention to detail with the masses.
Greetz from the Silvermine Studio ❤ I knew that effect from 16 to 8 ohms well, but really thanks to all the comparison. Here my favs: 1. Alnico gold 10" wich are very close to my beloved Marshall Gold Back 12" 2. G12H75 cream back, what is the ultimate classic rock thing 3. G10V jr. is stunning me in clearness, I have to set them to my Fender 4. Alnico blue 10" comes very unique and is rich to an experiment 5. Greenback 12" as a classic set up in use already, aside to regular 70/80 settings, or older Rolas G12H that being used here. But honestly this is all a matter of taste in combination to the amplifier and not at least to the music what it's on. Thanks a lot for your great work.
Wow!!! Huge RESPECT for this level of in depth demo on the topic! THANK YOU!!! Helps to make the right choice without buying all of there and trying them out.
I'm liking a lot of the "cream" options. The Alnico Cream and G12 Neo Creamback in particular sound amazing. The Classic Lead 80 also sounds really good. I think Glenn's room mic example at the end is the best judgment for how they'd sound live in a room.
Holy macaroni!! When I found this video by the description, I was like.., just what I'm looking for... then saw the 6 hour length! 🤯🤪 Now, to hit that description for the short cuts... thanks for doing this man! 😎🎸🤘
Thank You for all your expertise, hard work and effort. By far the best and in depth speaker comparison I’ve seen. New subscriber. I will be picking up your two notes pack. Thank you again Adam.
This is one of the most in-depth speaker analysis I've ever seen kudos I know it took a long time but believe me we appreciate it really really good ..i'm using 15 10in and 12in speakers for a combination that makes things really good thank you for doing this
Playing with a 4 x 10 equipped with old g10-l35 for 15 years and now downsizing to a custom 2 x 10 with wgs et10 and celestion g10 cream. Honestly, the sound is huge.
Wow! Hop Pole for the win! Only an hour and fifteen in a this point but it's tremendous! It is indeed a spectacular resource. I wonder if you'd considered selling this as an HD download or Blu Ray set without the necessary RUclips audio compression? I'll definitely finish watching this in its entirety as time permits. Thanks for this video!
Wow what a ton of work this was and you did great! The Twin: Celestion Creamback 65, Celestion A Type, Neo Cream 10, V Type, and Greenback were my favorites in that order. Marshall JCM800: hands down the G12H-150 is killer (a bit thin on the leads), Alnico Cream (good all around), V-Typr, G12H-75 Cream (rhythm peaky midrange cuts well), G15V-100 (mids darker but sound great), Century Vintage (if you want bright), and A Type (if you want darker and less tight). JMP: Alnico Cream, G12H-30, Lead 80, Fullback (big dominant), V-Type (Good all around), Greenback, G10 Creamback, G10 Greenback, and Redback (brighter). Revv Generator 120 MK3: Alnico Creamback, G12H-30, G12h-75 Cream, and Century Vintage.
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Yeap. Beacouse of Henning 😂. Dude! Some comparisons reveal things so counterintuitive as far as sounds go. Nevertheless.... This is a great effort... Will revisit!
Thanks! I don’t think any of it is counterintuitive, it just goes against the common myths that we’re told by friends who were told by other friends and so on.... this should help settle a few arguments I’m sure
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@@adamsteelproducer Amazing systematic work, really enlightening. The clean strat sound in my head has always been that alnico blue... oh the chime... So absolutely unforgiving. The fusion example with backing track is really transversal, because the overtones of the lead guitar can be dissonant and harsh, blend irrelevantly with the mix or make him sound like a guitar God. The next step is mix and match speakers in a 2x12, right? 26 times 26... 6hours... adds up roughly to a 169 day video. Just an idea....
Errr yeah! It’s an “idea” for sure lol… although I might just make a shorter version of that soon
still hands down one of the most useful videos ever made.
Thanks Glenn! Of course you’re biased because you’re in it 🤣
Absolutely!!!
I loved the sound you where sending those speakers 🔊, riff reminded me of being at a St Madness show!!
You made the alnicos sound awesome
too much talkin‘
How does this only have 700 likes. It’s basically the bible for Celestion. Thank you for making this.
Heavy Metal:
A Type 05:32:00
Alnico Blue 05:32:22
Alnico Cream 05:32:44
Alnico Gold 05:33:06
Alnico Ruby 05:33:28
Century Vintage 05:33:50
Classic Lead 80 05:34:12
G10 Creamback 05:34:34
G10 Gold 05:34:56
G10 Greenback 05:35:18
G10 Vintage 05:35:40
G12 Neo Creamback 05:36:02
G12-35XC 05:36:24
G12H Anniversary 05:36:46
G12H-150 Redback 05:37:08
G12H-75 Creamback 05:37:30
G12K-100 05:37:52
G12M Greenback 05:38:14
G12M-65 Creamback 05:38:36
G12T-75 05:38:58
G15V-100 Fullback 05:39:20
Hempback 05:39:42
Neo 250 Copperback 05:40:04
V Type 05:40:26
Vintage 30 8 ohm 05:40:48
VT Jr 05:41:10
Best comment ever
(For personal reference)
Rock Rhythm
Vintage 30 - 4:20:37
V Type - 4:20:09
Anniversary - 4:15:19
M Greenback - 4:17:15
Hempback - 4:19:11
65 Creamback - 4:17:44
75 Creamback - 4:16:17
Rock Lead
Vintage 30 - 4:44:39
V Type - 4:44:14
Anniversary - 4:39:59
M Greenback - 4:41:41
Hempback - 4:43:23
65 Creamback - 4:42:06
75 Creamback - 4:40:50
Metal
Vintage 30 - 5:19:15
V Type - 5:18:48
Anniversary - 5:14:23
M Greenback - 5:16:09
Hempback - 5:17:55
65 Creamback - 5:16:35
75 Creamback - 5:15:16
"Bwaaa"
Vintage 30 - 5:19:38
V Type - 5:19:11
Anniversary - 5:14:46
M Greenback - 5:16:32
Hempback - 5:18:19
65 Creamback - 5:16:59
75 Creamback - 5:15:39
You are a lord man much appreciated
Thanks!
thanks
You rock!
Gimmicks aside, what does everyone think of the Hempback vs the g12m Creamback and Greenback?
Incredible work, Adam!
Thanks for the assist Glenn! Always a bright day when one of the guys that got me into RUclips in the first place is featured on my channel. Rock on!
so my main man Glenn is a "Pro Guitarist" now?, lol, awesome video, great work to all of you
I love how he used your usual intro bit to introduce you :D
Love your vids Mr Glenn 🙌
I'm gay
Wait so you did this insane amount of work and this video doesn't even have adds? What a mad man.
It’s got 3 ads... in 6 hours
I'm a speaker nerd and so happy I found this video. 6 hours, even if my wife and daughter do not agree, I will try my very best to do not miss a minute.
This video index is gonna be a reference for years to come. Holy cow, bravo!
Love the outtakes 😂
This was a massive undertaking, I greatly appreciate all the time and effort it took to put this together!
Thanks Myk! Yeah I’m surprised anyone actually got that far but I do like a little bit of silliness thrown in there
Classic Rock Backing track:
01- 3:56:17 - A type
02- 3:56:46 - Alnico Blue
03- 3:57:16 - Alnico Cream
04- 3:57:45 - Alnico Gold
05- 3:58:14 - Alnico Ruby
06- 3:58:43 - Century Vintage
07- 3:59:11 - Classic Lead 80
08- 3:59:40 - G10 Creamback
09- 4:00:10 - G10 Gold
10- 4:00:39 - G10 Greenback
11- 4:01:05 - G10 Vintage
12- 4:01:36 - G12 Neo Creamback
13- 4:02:05 - G12-35XC
14- 4:02:34 - G12H 70 Anniversary
15- 4:03:03 - G12H-150 Redback
16- 4:03:33 - G12H-75 Creamback
17- 4:04:01 - G12K-100
18- 4:04:32 - G12M Greenback
19- 4:04:59 - G12M-65 Creamback
20- 4:05:28 - G12T-75
21- 4:05:57 - G15V-100 Fullback
22- 4:06:26 - Hempback
23- 4:06:55 - Neo Copperback
24- 4:07:24 - V Type
25- 4:07:52 - Vintage 30
26 - 4:08:25 - VT Junior
Henning sent me, too. I still remember your video in Neo Creambacks, I love them and use the Ir´s frequently.
Properly done demo! How the speaker translates your guitar and amp into the complete mix is the most important aspect. Some speakers sound weird by themselves, but somehow sit in the mix perfectly.
This is awesome! I really think a lot of players under appreciate the role of the speaker as a determinant of their sound. I hope you get enough success from this video to justify the amount of work to do a shootout like this for other brands like WGS.
Well depending on how this one goes, I may well be sending out some emails....
@@adamsteelproducer I'm curious how that went I was curious about the hemp backs and man they are warm sounding I'm trying some no name speakers
Really love that you included the room mics in this shootout. It's amazing how consistently loud the 30w anniversary and the K-100s are across all ranges of gain, definitely would choose those to play live.
Also, it's groundbreaking to finally HEAR the differences between 8ohm and 16ohm speakers, instead of just taking words for granted from specialists.
I purchased the Anniversary years ago after hearing it perform consistently well in shootouts. It sounds incredible in person. It just lets whatever amp you're running do its thing.
This vídeo should be taught in schools, colleges, universities, churches and used in speeches at the senate and the congress!
High Gain Comparison:
A-Type - 5:08:36
Alnico Blue - 5:09:03
Alnico Cream - 5:09:30
Alnico Gold - 5:09:57
Alnico Ruby - 5:10:23
Century Vintage - 5:10:50
Classic Lead 80 - 5:11:16
10 inch Creamback - 5:11:43
10 inch Gold - 5:12:09
10 inch Greenback - 5:12:36
10 inch Vintage - 5:13:03
Neo Creamback - 5:13:29
G12-35XC - 5:13:56
G12H-30 - 5:14:22
G12H-150 Redback- 5:14:49
Creamback H-75 - 5:15:15
G12-K100 - 5:15:42
Greenback - 5:16:08
Creamback M-65 - 5:16:35
G12-T75 - 5:17:02
Fullback - 5:17:28
Hempback - 5:17:55
Neo Copperback - 5:18:21
V-Type - 5:18:48
Vintage 30 - 5:19:14
V-Type Jr. - 5:19:41
Henning sent me. I have to watch this. You are clearly slightly insane, but I like that.
The best speaker comparison I’ve seen. There are lots of good ones. But this is about as good as it gets. Thank you
That 10" VT JUNIOR is the Star of the show. Great full tone without being too boomy and leaves a ton of room for all the other instruments. Thanks for that amazing demo my man.
I love the copperback sound. It has a slightly higher frequency response than the others (goes up to 5500Hz instead of just 5000Hz), and doesn’t get muddy as quickly as other speakers when I use loads of effects with it. Not to mention I can throw absolutely any amp at it and it will never be overwhelmed.
Final section on 16ohm vs 8ohm speaker is super valuable, thank you.
Adam, I don't need to tell you how insane this is, you know it! The amount of work... no words. Absolutely awesome!
Thanks Max. Yeah this one took a lot of work. I’m not doing this again any time soon!
A little over 2 hours in...this is an incredible gold mine for tone chasers! Absolutely loving this video. Can't wait to finish it. Thanks for all the work you put into this. Would definitely watch a speaker "brand comparison" video in the future (hint hint lol) Keep up this incredible content. You gained another subscriber 🤘
This is nuts, in the best possible way. Henning sent me as well. And I am actually going to use it (tiny bits of it anyway). Thank you, you crazy person you. Overwhelming.
Modern Metal in Mix Ending
01- 4:57:17 - A type
02- 4:57:44 - Alnico Blue
03- 4:58:11 - Alnico Cream
04- 4:58:37 - Alnico Gold
05- 4:59:04 - Alnico Ruby
06- 4:59:30 - Century Vintage
07- 4:59:57 - Classic Lead 80
08- 5:00:23 - G10 Creamback
09- 5:00:50 - G10 Gold
10- 5:01:17 - G10 Greenback
11- 5:01:43 - G10 Vintage
12- 5:02:10 - G12 Neo Creamback
13- 5:02:36 - G12-35XC
14- 5:03:03 - G12H Anniversary
15- 5:03:29 - G12H-150 Redback
16- 5:03:56 - G12H-75 Creamback
17- 5:04:22 - G12K-100
18- 5:04:49 - G12M Greenback
19- 5:05:16 - G12M-65 Creamback
20- 5:05:42 - G12T-75
21- 5:06:09 - G15V-100 Fullback
22- 5:06:35 - Hempback
23- 5:07:02 - Neo Copperback
24- 5:07:28 - V Type
25- 5:07:55 - Vintage 30
26 - 5:08:22 - VT Junior
My Top 10 -in no order of preference
Reference1 - 5:07:55 - Vintage 30
Reference 2 - 4:58:37 - Alnico Gold
01- 4:58:11 - Alnico Cream
02- 5:02:10 - G12 Neo Creamback
03- 5:02:36 - G12-35XC
04- 5:03:03 - G12H Anniversary
05- 5:03:29 - G12H-150 Redback
06- 5:03:56 - G12H-75 Creamback
07- 5:04:49 - G12M Greenback
08- 5:05:16 - G12M-65 Creamback
09- 5:05:42 - G12T-75
10- 5:07:28 - V Type
My Top 5 -tails only, from darker to brighter
Reference 1 - 5:07:57 - Vintage 30
Reference 2 - 4:58:38 - Alnico Gold
01- 5:05:44 - G12T-75
02- 5:02:38 - G12-35XC
03- 5:05:17 - G12M-65 Creamback
04- 5:04:50 - G12M Greenback
05- 5:03:04 - G12H Anniversary
Great work!! They make/made a few for Hughes & Kettner. The Rockdriver Classic 60 and the Rockdriver jr. Do you happen to know what the equivalent of those speakers are?
You’re awesome man! Thanks for taking all the time
Jesus, this is insane. Even through iPad speakers, differences are pretty obvious. Absolutely incredible work putting this together. So much to learn, which is what Adam and Hop Pole as a channel have become known for. Just an outstanding resource and excellently delivered.
A monumental achievement, Adam and crew. Congratulations. This will be a great reference video for many years to come!!!
Thanks Chad. I really hope so!
This is one heck of an achievement Adam! Amazing work by you and your guests too.
Thanks Tim!
A 6 hour speaker discussion featuring a 1978 master volume JMP. 😢 It’s... beautiful.
Dude! this is ridiculous! ..
How could you up the speaker video game even more?!
Thanks a LOT for your hard work :)
Thanks! This may just be the peak....
@@adamsteelproducer Yeah man .. this is the ultimate speaker video :D I can't believe I watched this for 2h 25min already ^^
Wow! Every musician should watch this video! Great job!
4:16:17 Creamback H75
4:17:15 Greenback
4:17:45 creamback M65
4:20:26 vtype
4:20:45 V30
4:09:33 Blue Alnico
4:10:13 Cream Alnico
4:10:30 Alnico Gold
Great video and a lot of effort to make it scientifically correct in comparisons.
I do have to say that the heat explanation is much different than what I have seen and been taught when it comes to speakers
First off, there is no friction in the voice coil. No parts rub together. LOL. There is an air gap. When rubbing does occur, the speaker is toast.
The heat does not come from friction. It comes from too much power going through too small of gauge wire.
When more voltage is used, thicker wire is required. You can get more voltage through a thinner wire with cooling, hence the screen that lets air go through the voice coil.
What happens when a wire gets hot is the insulation material on the wire melts off and the winding is shorted. The voltage no longer has to travel all the way through the entire length of wire that is wrapped on the coil. It just found a short cut to the end of the wire via the short circuit. Not only does this put an uneven magnetic field in the voice coil, it changes the impedance. depending on how much wire is taken out of the short cut this can vary. It always lowers the impedance. !6 ohm speakers have more wire and therefore more wraps. Lowering the impedance causes all kinds of issues. If your amp has an 8 ohm speaker output and you hook up a 4 ohm speaker, it draws more power from the amp. This can and will damage the amp with prolong usage this way. If you hook up a 2 ohm speaker, the load on the amp is increased even more and it will fail even sooner. Shorts in the voice coil do this. They reduce the impedance and the amp sees a much lower ohm speaker and sends even more voltage through the already under rated wire gauge and the heat is multiplied with it. The under rated wire in the voice coil gets very hot. Think light bulb filament.
And that is not even mentioning what is going on in the amp, I believe mainly in the output transformer, having to try and push more voltage than it is rated for, hence the same phenomena going on in the windings there. Heat is a bad thing. In speakers and amps.
Honestly thank you so much for this video. This is a priceless resource.
It seems to always come back to the clarity of the greenbacks no matter what they are up against… I guess EQing for exact tone is still where it’s at… appreciate the insane amount of work this took guys
I don't know if I will listen to the whole video, But I think we should appreciate what he has done. Great job Adam, what a massive undertaking. Congrats on putting together the recording, editing, mixing, and bringing the talent together to take this challenge on. Keep up the great work.
century vintage and vintage 30s for metal is what i like most from this video. thank you much
The Anniversary is so consistent and fullsounding. Love it
Time stamp for my fav speakers.
Classi Rock w/ Backing Track
Alnico Cream 3:57:11
G12H30 Anniv 4:02:31
Creamback H 4:03:29
Creamback M 4:04:55
V-Type 4:07:20
Agreed I have G12 H anniversary in a modded Deluxe Reverb and G12M in a Johnson JM60 love them both
This is an absolutely insane amount of work. What a great video. Thank you for doing this!
After listening to this, I still have to say my favourite speakers are the Alnico Blue, and the G12H30. Love them both.
Thanks for what looks like months of work, mate!
Hey Adam, just consulting this for the millionth time, and thought you might like to know a bit of trivia I've discovered: the "Vintage 30" name comes from the fact that those speakers were released in 1987, the 30th anniversary of Celestion "proper" going into full production. And they were trying to capture the Alnico Blue "thing" because 1987 also happened to be Marshall's 25th birthday (Silver Jubilee and all that), and Marshall wanted Celestion to create a speaker which would sound reasonably accurate in a 25th anniversary Bluesbreaker reissue combo, but which wouldn't blow up if you dimed the amp, as the Alnico Blues in the original JTM45 combos often did. So "Vintage" for the reissues Marshall was doing in 1987 (the amp and standalone cabs as welll), and "30" for commemorating Celestion's 30th birthday with what they intended as a modernized version of the speaker that put them on the map.
You are the craziest guy around ever seen heard and felt !!! ☀️ massive thank’s bro !
This video should be MANDATORY for every guitar player out there. Amazing work here ❤
This is unreal! Thank you SO MUCH for posting this. Incredibly useful!
I swear that this weekend i am gonna watch all this video and congratulations for all your work!
Clean and Fusion
2:28:43 Alnico Blue 3:33:33
2:37:53 Fulltone 15" 3:41:51
2:34:31 G12H 3:38:47
2:36:27 greenback 12m 3:40:33
2:39:50 vintage 30 3:43:38
2:30:40 century vintage 3:35:18
2:33:33 g12 neo creamback 3:37:57
2:33:04 vintage 10 3:37:32
2:32:36 greenback 10 3:37:03
creamback 75 3:39:47
2:40:19vt junior 3:44:02
What an amazing reference! And undertaking! Amazing.
I'm pleasantly surprised, I've been looking at the Creambacks for a while... but the Alnico Blue was my favorite across the board. Sizzly at times but not unpleasantly so.
Nah, too trebley
Awesome video! I was very surprised at some of the sounds. I use vintage 30's and g12h creambacks. I really really like the hemp back! never heard of that speaker before. Think it will pair really well with my creamback or lynchback. Killer killer work by you and all the guitarists you brought together.
You guys are awesome for doing this.
Adam, you, sir, are a monster. The sad thing is... thanks to this video, I now know that I need to buy a few speakers I think might be up my alley and try them in my own cabs with my own set-up... I love you and I hate you at the same time, lol. But in all seriousness, what an amazing job and what a monumental task you have achieved.
Such an amazing effort! As someone just beginning to learn of speakers I could not think of a better place to start!!!
This is the Zack Snyder edit!
Incredible work buddy
Wow! Can't believe I hadn't seen this earlier. Glorious work, brother. I unconsciously teared up a bit.🎶❤️🥹😂
Dude. This is such a valuable video. Thank you. I have not listened to every word of your 6!!!-hour video. Did you talk about speaker sensitivity? I understand generically what it means but do you think it makes a big tone difference for a given power rating?
One problem with larger speakers is poor high frequency dispersion. 1x12 combos sound more dull the further you move from the center. The Supro Thunderbolt has a 15" speaker, but it has a wooden cross to diffuse the highs across the room. People use beam blockers and the Mitchell Foam Donut to alleviate the issue. However, it's not really a problem if you play alone in your home.
Hi there! I really appreciate your effort on this. SO, I have an old Carvin cab that came with these speakers that aren't made anymore. Celestion G12s 50w. From the 90s. I think they sound a lot like Twisted Sister's "Stay Hungry" album. But of course JJ French denied that, and talked about the speakers they used live on the tour, but never what they used in studio. I took two of them out and paired them with some G12h 70th anniversary. Let me know if you're interested in hearing them. I'll send you a FB video or something.
Adam this video should be the ultimate Celestion comparison as of 2021. This video must need a lot of effort to make and the amount of information is enormous. Thank you for this.
I listen to this not because I want to buy celestion speaker, but for giving me a rough idea on how each celestion speaker sounds like. I use that knowledge to select impulse response that is suitable for amp sim that use.
Thanks Rendy! I made this as a source of info rather than a sales pitch, so anything people can get from it is great 👍
Classic Lead 80 2:31:09
G10 Creamback 2:31:38
G10 Greenback 2:32:36
G10 Vintage 2:33:05
Hemp 2:38:23
Neo Copperback 2:38:52
Vintage 30 2:39:50
what really gets me is pricing of speakers nowadays... you mentioned greenbacks were cheaper to make , and now they are one of the most expensive speakers to be had.....love the video by the way Great Job !
This is an awesome video, a palette of all the Celestion speaker colours for every player to choose from. I can't even imagine the amount of work you put into this. Kudos! 👏 Especially appreciate the well done impedance part, the SS power amp makes it clear for me.
Remarkable video man big props! The only thing I would have wished for is to have a Alnico Silver Bell speaker in here for comparison. Otherwise perfectly done!!
This is an incredible comparison. Thank you.
This is the best comparison video EVER! I subscribed to your channel, and you are the MAN!
This is Better than Netflix. THANK YOU!
This is the most useful video on the internet. Need one for Eminence
Tell the Eminence chaps! And thank you 😊
I am in love with the darn Alnico Blues and oddly, the G10 Vintage. I am especially surprised how much John Browne's bit rings good to my ears with the Alnico Blue.
Happy to have this reference! A great complement to Johan Segeborn's insatiable classic speaker playthroughs.
I love the Blues too. Was going to build a Greenback 2x12 but will now use Blues instead!
You guys are certifiably nuts! This is awesome. What a thing. Thanks.
"Boss, I'll take tomorrow off. I need to watch a RUclips video!" "OK, then. Wait a sec, you need to WHAT?" - Over 6 hours is just insane, dude, but in the best way. Impressive work. Unfortunately I think it might take me weeks to watch the whole thing...
Haha thanks! It’s very much intended as a reference that people can come back to- the second half is wall to wall clips so it’s more that you can pick your poison and flick through
@@adamsteelproducer I understand that, I'm just too curious to not watch the effing whole thing ;) And I can't thank you enough, because I don't know how many times I've opened the Celestion IR page and then closed it again after sitting there for 10 minutes completely incapacitated by option paralysis
I know right? I did my first video series before Celestion IRs were even a thing, and now I’ve put my stamp on it so hopefully it’s the go-to at least for a while 😀
Rock Rhythm 10"
4:12:21 G10 Creamback
4:12:50 G10 Alnico Gold
4:13:19 G10 Greenback
4:13:48 G10 Vintage
4:21:02 G10 VT-Junior
Clean Blues
2:29:13 Alnico Cream
2:30:39 Century Vintage
2:33:34 Neo Creamback
2:34:31 G12H30
2:35:01 Redback
2:35:29 H75 Creamback
2:36:27 Greenback
2:36:57 M65 Creamback
2:38:52 Neo Copperback
2:39:20 V-Type
2:39:50 Vintage 30
Rock Rhythm
4:10:00 Alnico Cream
4:11:26 Century Vintage
4:14:20 Neo Creamback
4:15:18 G12H30
4:15:47 Redback
4:16:16 H75 Creamback
4:17:14 Greenback
4:17:43 M65 Creamback
4:19:39 Neo Copperback
4:20:07 V-Type
4:20:37 Vintage 30
Hi. Brilliant video. Thanks for making it. A-type, V-type and V30 were my favourites. Questions: 1. What about showing a 8ohm tap to 16 ohm speaker result? eg: this happens to Mesa head owners sometimes having to run through a 16ohm cab. 2. Do 2x 8ohm speakers in serial in a cab produce the same result as a 16 ohm speaker, eg: the additional brightness? 3. Why no 70/80 tested? 4. and curious what Celestion is the Mesa branded speaker closest to in Celestion range? Regards and thanks again for the herculean effort.
Now this is a video worth watching and listening to. Congratulations on the effort.
This really puts things into perspective and that's a understatement.
You deserve a gold star for this video, and when I say a gold star, I mean a giant star made of gold! Bravo!
I deserve to be crushed under a giant pointy piece of metal!
Cheers :)
It will take some time for me to actually get through all of this beast. But, congrats on getting it done and sharing your speaker knowledge and attention to detail with the masses.
Really helped me decided on the speakers to choose, while also being very educational. Thank you very much.
Which ones you decided on, and for what style of music or preference?
Greetz from the Silvermine Studio ❤ I knew that effect from 16 to 8 ohms well, but really thanks to all the comparison. Here my favs:
1. Alnico gold 10" wich are very close to my beloved Marshall Gold Back 12"
2. G12H75 cream back, what is the ultimate classic rock thing
3. G10V jr. is stunning me in clearness, I have to set them to my Fender
4. Alnico blue 10" comes very unique and is rich to an experiment
5. Greenback 12" as a classic set up in use already, aside to regular 70/80 settings, or older Rolas G12H that being used here.
But honestly this is all a matter of taste in combination to the amplifier and not at least to the music what it's on. Thanks a lot for your great work.
Wow!!! Huge RESPECT for this level of in depth demo on the topic! THANK YOU!!! Helps to make the right choice without buying all of there and trying them out.
I'm liking a lot of the "cream" options. The Alnico Cream and G12 Neo Creamback in particular sound amazing. The Classic Lead 80 also sounds really good. I think Glenn's room mic example at the end is the best judgment for how they'd sound live in a room.
Holy macaroni!! When I found this video by the description, I was like.., just what I'm looking for... then saw the 6 hour length! 🤯🤪 Now, to hit that description for the short cuts... thanks for doing this man! 😎🎸🤘
Thank You for all your expertise, hard work and effort. By far the best and in depth speaker comparison I’ve seen. New subscriber. I will be picking up your two notes pack. Thank you again Adam.
Extremely impressive video, it must have taken a lot of work to put together, much appreciated.
This is one of the most in-depth speaker analysis I've ever seen kudos I know it took a long time but believe me we appreciate it really really good ..i'm using 15 10in and 12in speakers for a combination that makes things really good thank you for doing this
WOW ... Well done. Thank you for the effort it took to do this video. This is a valuable resource. Thank you !
Thank you for doing all this hard work and sharing it with us! This has been an incredibly useful video
Incredible work! Hopefully I'll find some time to watch to whole video in the near future xD
What a hard and wonderful work! Congrats!
Wow!!! Amazing work!!
So much effort here. Thank you for this incredible work!
Wow - amazing effort (and honesty) on this. Great deep dive - love it 😊
Playing with a 4 x 10 equipped with old g10-l35 for 15 years and now downsizing to a custom 2 x 10 with wgs et10 and celestion g10 cream. Honestly, the sound is huge.
Wow! Hop Pole for the win! Only an hour and fifteen in a this point but it's tremendous! It is indeed a spectacular resource.
I wonder if you'd considered selling this as an HD download or Blu Ray set without the necessary RUclips audio compression?
I'll definitely finish watching this in its entirety as time permits. Thanks for this video!
Wow what a ton of work this was and you did great!
The Twin: Celestion Creamback 65, Celestion A Type, Neo Cream 10, V Type, and Greenback were my favorites in that order.
Marshall JCM800: hands down the G12H-150 is killer (a bit thin on the leads), Alnico Cream (good all around), V-Typr, G12H-75 Cream (rhythm peaky midrange cuts well), G15V-100 (mids darker but sound great), Century Vintage (if you want bright), and A Type (if you want darker and less tight).
JMP: Alnico Cream, G12H-30, Lead 80, Fullback (big dominant), V-Type (Good all around), Greenback, G10 Creamback, G10 Greenback, and Redback (brighter).
Revv Generator 120 MK3: Alnico Creamback, G12H-30, G12h-75 Cream, and Century Vintage.
I honestly don't care which speaker is used. I'm only here to listen. These hard rock and metal riffs make them all explode
G12 Neo Creamback - 5:01:47
G12H 75 Creamback - 5:03:33
Vintage 30 - 5:07:32
Excellent demo!!
Wooow! This is what i do this weekend!!!
Thank you so much!
Wow, what a treat! Thanks for this.