Poor Thorne! If these buttheads had spent more time helping Ally, by calling him wks before, none of this would ever have happened, especially the mental cruelty enacted by Rick & Maya! & Ivy took advantage of a horrible situation & used it for her own agenda. She is just as complicit in that poor childs death, as everyone else! 🧐
Rachel Kristine Thorne knew more about how unstable she was than the rest of them. He knew she had relapses. He should have and he could have told them to keep a close eye on her , maybe they would have known what was up. Aly was sane and then she wasn't just like that. They knew she had problems but didn't realize the seriousness of the problems until they saw the pictures in the closet.
@@pjmoneybags2780 Thorne should have done more to get Aly help if he did that she would still been alive nothing like that would have happened if they never neglected Aly and never ignored her pain and got her help for that.
Simple fact is, the ENTIRE family failed Ally! And so did & so does mainstream society. That's why I admire Prince Harry so much, with his work for mental illness & the people who suffer from it. We need more good folks like him. It's far past time to completly overhaul how we as a society treat the mentally ill & mental illness in general. Fact remains, mentally illness, in all of its devastating forms, is prolly the least understood & most ridiculed form of illness, period! It's the brunt of cruel jokes & behavior. If society says anything negative about folks like Maya, they are canceled. Yet, when it comes to the sickening hate towards the mentally ill?! Most people just laugh & call em "crazy". It's just as unnaceptable to refer to folks like Ally as "crazy" & it's "all in there head", yet if some people say that folks like Maya are "transvestites " & gay & blah blah blah, people get pissed & rake em over the coals, most people step in & defend them. Why can't the mentally ill get the same support. Am sorry, but the fact remains that we have ALWAYS treated mentally illness like a joke. Question is, who is laughing now?! Time to grow up. Time to treat mentally illness as the "cancer " it truly is & stop blaming the mentally ill. It's not right & it's hypocritical. 🤨
No Ivy, Aly died because of Aly!! And you did not catch everything that happened! You caught the last five seconds which conveniently suited your narrative.
no kit. Aly died because steffy KILLED HER. of course steffy defended herself but the fact is SHE KILLED HER and that sucks cause I REALLY WANTED ALY TO KILL STEFFY SO THAT PRINCESS IVY SHOULD FINALLY GET HER SO MUCH DESERVED CHANCE WITH LIAM BUT AS ALWAYS THE WRITTERS.....FUCKED UP AGAIN BY BREAKING THE COUPLES THEY SHOULD HAVE ENDURED IN THE SHOW.
Nope! Ally died bcuz her family ignored the obvious fact that she needed help. NOT condemnation, not ridicule, not insults, she NEEDED HELP! My God, what is it gonna take for Western society to ACCEPT & EMPATHIZE & HELP the mentally ill amongst us?! 😔 We should accept, admire & encourage folks like Maya. And I agree. We are told to accept & EMPATHIZE people from different walks of life, no matter their choices, no matter what. And most of us do. With some struggle, depends on how we were raised. But when it comes to the mentally ill? They are universally shunned. Considered less than "human ". It's all in their heads. They can get over it if they want, etc. That's true with heart attacks, strokes, cancer, etc. But why, WHY can't we do the same with people who are mentally ill?! 🤔 If a person is not at fault for cancer, or whatever, why should illnesses of the brain be treated any different?! Ally needed help. Instead, she got ridiculed, preached to, isolated & ignored. I know a little bit about that. Treated less than human. What makes that right?! We seriously need a massive overhaul on how we think of & our treatment of folks with mental illness. If we can do that for folks like Maya, we should definitely do the same with something that is a VERY LEGIT FORM OF ILLNESS! When it comes to mental illness, we as a society are without empathy, without decency & without honor. Its purposeful. It's hateful. And just plain EVIL, PERIOD! Time to rap our heads around this as a society. Or we are truly lost! 😔
What I don't understand is Ivy saw Aly holding the rock over Steffy's head while Steffy was on the ground. In the episode where Ivy found them on the side of the road, it specifically showed her recognising them while they were in that position, so she must have seen that part, and if she saw that part she must know it was self defence and not murder. Did Ivy just get amnesia about the rest of the fight she saw? I don't get it.
I hated Ivy's character after this, her voice annoyed me, her face annoyed me, and her attitude. She wanted Liam that bad? Damn, she just knew him after a few months. She dismissed everything that led Steffy into that situation and tried to blame Steffy for her death. If her camera caught all of that that means she saw everything that happened. What made me more upset was that Wyatt co-signed on that nonsense.
@@kellymcquay2626So Steffy had the photos in Ally's closet right ? So Steffy put the nail in her own tire ? So Steffy put the rock in Ally's hand ! Wow seems you should watch something else since you just watched what happened and don't understand it.
She was trying to get Aly to put the 🪨 down. That’s why Steffy swung the tire iron, to knock it out of her hand. Then Aly fell and hit her head on the biggest rock there was on the floor.
So Ivy chose to film (the last seconds) of the attack instead of helping and possibly saving Aly... and then proceeds to accuse Steffy, right... nothing wrong there.
How could Ivy save Aly?? Steffy hit Aly with the tire iron and she fell and hit her head on a rock, and if Steffy was so innocent why did she throw away the tire iron and lie to the police, Ivy should have sent the video to the police and Steffy should have went to prison just like Taylor should have when she killed Darla
Rewatching this SL, I still come to the same conclusion. Aly was mentally unstable, the entire family was aware of it, but did nothing, particularly Ivy. Aly ran Steffy down with the intent to kill her and Steffy defended herself. Ivy, if you see your 2 cousins fighting on the side of the road, why didn't you try to intervene?! Instead you film them?! YOU COULD HAVE STOPPED THE WHOLE SITUATION FROM ESCALATING TO THE POINT IT DID! As far as I'm concerned, you are also responsible for Aly's death. You were her best friend, you saw she was hurting and needed help, and you ignored it all. Now you want to attack Steffy for defending herself? You are a little witch. I liked Ivy up until this point. Bottom line, what happened to Aly was unfortunate, but it was self defense.
That not right lvy steffy was defending her self Aly was in her head long before steffy come back Rick and maya push over the Edge lvy you or a hypocrite if you were there to record it why didn't you stop it
Bell is crazy, why doesn't he have Thorne having any vendettas against Taylor and Steffy. They both took his wife and his daughter from him. It just doesn't make any sense why they always make him the peaceful peacemaker and he's able to always easily accept them taking his family from him.
as if killing Aly off wasn’t already lazy writing, the whole blackmail thing with ivy was even worse. The only thing that could’ve saved that stupid storyline was if it came from ivy’s guilt of not realising how far Aly had fallen so she was looking for someone else to blame, like Aly resenting steffy because she’s Taylor’s daughter. Ashlyn Pearce was great in her portrayal of Aly though. She definitely deserved an award for it.
I agree with Thorne about Ally not being dangerous. If anything she's more of a danger to herself. She acted crazy with Taylor and held up an ax just like she held up a rock to hit Steffy and she didn't do anything. She was just acting out.
What are they doing at Forester in the middle of the night? Liam has to have everything spelled out for him while he stands and says "what, what". A lot of people had car cameras during that time. It would have make more since if Ivy had the video from her car cam instead of her recording it on her cell phone.
How did Ivy who found what she found in Ally's closet just sit there and watch? Then she just decides Steffy murdered her, despite finding the photos, despite seeing Ally try to attack Steffy... She's such a tool.
Steffy did lie to police, no i don't think she meant to kill Ally but she did lie and Ivy embellished the facts and Ivy was recording when she should have tried to stop it or at least blown the horn or screamed.
Throne planted seeds of hate against Ridge using trickery and deciet to take Caroline and Taylor away from Ridge only to have the seed build around his own daughter's until her early death!
Its in self defense and Ally tried to attack Steffy and she fought back self defense like J Lo said in enough self defense is not murder and you have the right to legally defend yourself at all times whether it be verbal or physical.
This entire storyline with Ivy was the most annoying from the entire B&B history to date! Worst character = Ivy! She had nothing to offer as an actress except her whiny voice and accent. Her body language and facial expressions were rigid, and the lines given to her were repetitive. Total disaster of a character.
Aly need lost of help steffy was on the side of the road and aly went to killer steffy if she want to iva you not see all that happened that night you see that steffy killer aly
We know why you taped the video Ivy , you wanted to put the blame on Steffy , because you are jealous of Steffy and Liam ! You do not have the whole story.
They EASILY FORGIVE STEFFY BUT WHEN Rick wasn't even responsible for wrecking the car but Phoebe was the culprit they all blamed him for her death and constantly brought it up unlike Steffy. She gets away with a lot. Along with Taylor. That's one thing I don't like about BnB is that Bell allows for Taylor, Steffy to always get away with crap unlike the Logans.
Love ivy ♥️ and alley ♥️ both awsome actors like Liam ♥️ and Wyatt ♥️ are too but Nicole is so boring 😴 💤 snooze fest so is her boy toy 💯 Steffy ♥️ didn't have to kill alley ♥️ steffy caused alley ♥️ to spiral out of control because alley ♥️💛saw through steffy s betrayal and manipulation s 💯of Liam 💜♥️💛💙
So glad when Mia and Nicole left btb worst btb actors ever on btb forever and always 💔 💯 💯thorn ♥️💛is great ♥️💛💜💙💙♥️💛💛♥️💙💙thorn should of put Steffy in jail 💯
Steffy was defending herself that girl was trying to kill her
Exactly I’m so sick of the Hopeless fans saying Steffy killed Ally on Purpose when they know damn well that it was an accident
Ivy just holding a grudge because of liam, she is not that sweet and collected afterall
i know it is kinda off topic but do anyone know a good site to stream new movies online?
@Tony Saint lately I have been using FlixZone. You can find it on google =)
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Poor Thorne! If these buttheads had spent more time helping Ally, by calling him wks before, none of this would ever have happened, especially the mental cruelty enacted by Rick & Maya! & Ivy took advantage of a horrible situation & used it for her own agenda. She is just as complicit in that poor childs death, as everyone else! 🧐
Rachel Kristine Thorne knew more about how unstable she was than the rest of them. He knew she had relapses. He should have and he could have told them to keep a close eye on her , maybe they would have known what was up. Aly was sane and then she wasn't just like that. They knew she had problems but didn't realize the seriousness of the problems until they saw the pictures in the closet.
True
@@pjmoneybags2780 Thorne should have done more to get Aly help if he did that she would still been alive nothing like that would have happened if they never neglected Aly and never ignored her pain and got her help for that.
Simple fact is, the ENTIRE family failed Ally! And so did & so does mainstream society. That's why I admire Prince Harry so much, with his work for mental illness & the people who suffer from it. We need more good folks like him. It's far past time to completly overhaul how we as a society treat the mentally ill & mental illness in general. Fact remains, mentally illness, in all of its devastating forms, is prolly the least understood & most ridiculed form of illness, period! It's the brunt of cruel jokes & behavior. If society says anything negative about folks like Maya, they are canceled. Yet, when it comes to the sickening hate towards the mentally ill?! Most people just laugh & call em "crazy". It's just as unnaceptable to refer to folks like Ally as "crazy" & it's "all in there head", yet if some people say that folks like Maya are "transvestites " & gay & blah blah blah, people get pissed & rake em over the coals, most people step in & defend them. Why can't the mentally ill get the same support. Am sorry, but the fact remains that we have ALWAYS treated mentally illness like a joke. Question is, who is laughing now?! Time to grow up. Time to treat mentally illness as the "cancer " it truly is & stop blaming the mentally ill. It's not right & it's hypocritical. 🤨
I'm sorry, but Aly was traumatized because of Taylor and Darla's death and not Rick and Maya or Ivy.
No Ivy, Aly died because of Aly!! And you did not catch everything that happened! You caught the last five seconds which conveniently suited your narrative.
Facts
no kit. Aly died because steffy KILLED HER. of course steffy defended herself but the fact is SHE KILLED HER and that sucks cause I REALLY WANTED ALY TO KILL STEFFY SO THAT PRINCESS IVY SHOULD FINALLY GET HER SO MUCH DESERVED CHANCE WITH LIAM BUT AS ALWAYS THE WRITTERS.....FUCKED UP AGAIN BY BREAKING THE COUPLES THEY SHOULD HAVE ENDURED IN THE SHOW.
No STEFFY killed Aly then lied to the police
Nope! Ally died bcuz her family ignored the obvious fact that she needed help. NOT condemnation, not ridicule, not insults, she NEEDED HELP! My God, what is it gonna take for Western society to ACCEPT & EMPATHIZE & HELP the mentally ill amongst us?! 😔 We should accept, admire & encourage folks like Maya. And I agree. We are told to accept & EMPATHIZE people from different walks of life, no matter their choices, no matter what. And most of us do. With some struggle, depends on how we were raised. But when it comes to the mentally ill? They are universally shunned. Considered less than "human ". It's all in their heads. They can get over it if they want, etc. That's true with heart attacks, strokes, cancer, etc. But why, WHY can't we do the same with people who are mentally ill?! 🤔 If a person is not at fault for cancer, or whatever, why should illnesses of the brain be treated any different?! Ally needed help. Instead, she got ridiculed, preached to, isolated & ignored. I know a little bit about that. Treated less than human. What makes that right?! We seriously need a massive overhaul on how we think of & our treatment of folks with mental illness. If we can do that for folks like Maya, we should definitely do the same with something that is a VERY LEGIT FORM OF ILLNESS! When it comes to mental illness, we as a society are without empathy, without decency & without honor. Its purposeful. It's hateful. And just plain EVIL, PERIOD! Time to rap our heads around this as a society. Or we are truly lost! 😔
When Steffy hit Aly with the tire iron and killed her
I hate you Ivy for not saving Ally from trying to kill Steffy! Her blood is in your hands!
She’s horrible.
Steffy hit her ankles with the tire iron, and Aly hit her head on a rock
That's because allie was trying to bash her head in
Ja that een kind off Steffie Steffie fout too not an purpose.
Aly' s ankles must be on top of her head then because that's where Steffy hit Aly
What I don't understand is Ivy saw Aly holding the rock over Steffy's head while Steffy was on the ground. In the episode where Ivy found them on the side of the road, it specifically showed her recognising them while they were in that position, so she must have seen that part, and if she saw that part she must know it was self defence and not murder. Did Ivy just get amnesia about the rest of the fight she saw? I don't get it.
She is just trying to get her personal vendetta because steffy stole her bf
Ivy didn't see the rock all she was Steffy bashing Aly in the head with the tire iron
I hated Ivy's character after this, her voice annoyed me, her face annoyed me, and her attitude. She wanted Liam that bad? Damn, she just knew him after a few months. She dismissed everything that led Steffy into that situation and tried to blame Steffy for her death. If her camera caught all of that that means she saw everything that happened. What made me more upset was that Wyatt co-signed on that nonsense.
Sandra Arkorful-Chestnut Wyatt was jealous that he couldn't get Steffy. This was their revenge in a twisted way.
It was Steffy s fault
you are annoying !!! steffy is a monster
@@kellymcquay2626So Steffy had the photos in Ally's closet right ? So Steffy put the nail in her own tire ? So Steffy put the rock in Ally's hand ! Wow seems you should watch something else since you just watched what happened and don't understand it.
@@kimberlygould8293
Steffy bashed Aly over the head with a tire iron, threw it away and lied to the police.
Steffy is a dangerous mean B**CH!!
Ivy:,, This was morda"🤣🤣
She was trying to get Aly to put the 🪨 down. That’s why Steffy swung the tire iron, to knock it out of her hand. Then Aly fell and hit her head on the biggest rock there was on the floor.
and lied about that . dont say only what yoy want. only merderers lies
@@Blackwolf.777well it looks like you are a murderer
Wait so no one called Thorne about his daughter being dead🤔
Ivy why didn't you help!! Aly is dead because of you!!
@Christian West it's TRUE ivy had the sense to record the entire incident, but not enough sense to get the hell out of her car to try and help !!
@@michellejones6851 Or simply yell to diffuse the situation .
@@anasha1647 yes, all she did was sit back and watch, then blackmail steffy later
Karolin Abbadessa indeed as a bystander
Michelle Jones
The entire incident
God 😳😳😳
Really how you can be like this
So Ivy chose to film (the last seconds) of the attack instead of helping and possibly saving Aly... and then proceeds to accuse Steffy, right... nothing wrong there.
Steffy murdered Aly
How could Ivy save Aly?? Steffy hit Aly with the tire iron and she fell and hit her head on a rock, and if Steffy was so innocent why did she throw away the tire iron and lie to the police, Ivy should have sent the video to the police and Steffy should have went to prison just like Taylor should have when she killed Darla
@@kellymcquay2626Wow get help or have an adult explain it to you.
Rewatching this SL, I still come to the same conclusion. Aly was mentally unstable, the entire family was aware of it, but did nothing, particularly Ivy. Aly ran Steffy down with the intent to kill her and Steffy defended herself. Ivy, if you see your 2 cousins fighting on the side of the road, why didn't you try to intervene?! Instead you film them?! YOU COULD HAVE STOPPED THE WHOLE SITUATION FROM ESCALATING TO THE POINT IT DID! As far as I'm concerned, you are also responsible for Aly's death. You were her best friend, you saw she was hurting and needed help, and you ignored it all. Now you want to attack Steffy for defending herself? You are a little witch. I liked Ivy up until this point. Bottom line, what happened to Aly was unfortunate, but it was self defense.
Ivy what a Witch 👿
steffy killed aly and lied and ivy is a witch? you have a problem
@@Blackwolf.777 fool why are you lying
I have really enjoyed Ivy's character so far. I wish that they gave Thorne more storylines, he has been in the show so long.
Having to tell Uncle Thorne that his daughter is dead because she tried to kill you has to be the hardest thing to do🥺
So stupid that the police dob't tell Thorne what is hapoend with Ally and that Steffy and Ivy are not at the policestation.
Why was Aly killed off she was a great character
prob actress wanted to leave.but they didn`t have to kill her 😒aly could have gone to therapy and maybe come back as another actress
Thorne deserved better.
That not right lvy steffy was defending her self Aly was in her head long before steffy come back Rick and maya push over the Edge lvy you or a hypocrite if you were there to record it why didn't you stop it
Bell is crazy, why doesn't he have Thorne having any vendettas against Taylor and Steffy. They both took his wife and his daughter from him. It just doesn't make any sense why they always make him the peaceful peacemaker and he's able to always easily accept them taking his family from him.
as if killing Aly off wasn’t already lazy writing, the whole blackmail thing with ivy was even worse. The only thing that could’ve saved that stupid storyline was if it came from ivy’s guilt of not realising how far Aly had fallen so she was looking for someone else to blame, like Aly resenting steffy because she’s Taylor’s daughter. Ashlyn Pearce was great in her portrayal of Aly though. She definitely deserved an award for it.
Why d hell did everyone go home without calling Thorne and acting all stupid and guilty
Ivy you could of stopped it but you decided to record the incident and if you recorded it you should obviously tell it was self defense.
I agree with Thorne about Ally not being dangerous. If anything she's more of a danger to herself. She acted crazy with Taylor and held up an ax just like she held up a rock to hit Steffy and she didn't do anything. She was just acting out.
Poor Thorne first Taylor kills his wife then Steffy kills his daughter🙁
How convenient is it that The poison ☠️ Ivy, happened to drive up at the time to see Steffy defend herself! REALLY! That’s horse manure!
Ivy she didn’t see the whole thing . Don’t accuse Steffani
Liam, don't just stand there, looking clueless! Defend Steffy, FFS! 🤦
What are they doing at Forester in the middle of the night? Liam has to have everything spelled out for him while he stands and says "what, what". A lot of people had car cameras during that time. It would have make more since if Ivy had the video from her car cam instead of her recording it on her cell phone.
How did Ivy who found what she found in Ally's closet just sit there and watch? Then she just decides Steffy murdered her, despite finding the photos, despite seeing Ally try to attack Steffy...
She's such a tool.
I think she tried to kill Ali she's guilty killed cousin
you steffy stupid fans... if hope or ivy did what steffyho did... you would eat them alive.... you are so toxic fans
I am not going to be able to sit through this blackmail episodes. Hope it doesn't last long.
Funny how Ivy only got that part. I think she delete everything else and kept that part.
Sandra Arkorful-Chestnut ur stupid to tink such she got the part of which Steffy fail to tell the truth about
Neesha Anthony
Don’t bother explain dear
Steffy can do anything to anyone and still justified to these people
@@mmyash3836 u understand her minions are the worst
Neesha Anthony Younmean the part where Ally were standing over her with a rock about to bash Her skull in?? that is clear case of self-defense
That's all she saw and she should have sent the video to the police, Steffy got away with murder just like her Mother
Steffy did lie to police, no i don't think she meant to kill Ally but she did lie and Ivy embellished the facts and Ivy was recording when she should have tried to stop it or at least blown the horn or screamed.
Throne planted seeds of hate against Ridge using trickery and deciet to take Caroline and Taylor away from Ridge only to have the seed build around his own daughter's until her early death!
Ivy you are not there from beginning stop lie
Its in self defense and Ally tried to attack Steffy and she fought back self defense like J Lo said in enough self defense is not murder and you have the right to legally defend yourself at all times whether it be verbal or physical.
Then why did Steffy lie to the police?
then why steffy lied you toxic fans of hers?
Why is it blurry when Steffy thinks about what who happened?:S
zo good
Since when do witnesses/suspects involved in the death of a person get sent home right away???
And since when doesn't the police inform the parents?
This entire storyline with Ivy was the most annoying from the entire B&B history to date! Worst character = Ivy! She had nothing to offer as an actress except her whiny voice and accent. Her body language and facial expressions were rigid, and the lines given to her were repetitive. Total disaster of a character.
Ivy you not being faire to steffy you want to pay a price coz liam her steffy
Omg
Maybe if Ivy had taken the time to help instead of video, Aly would be alive!!
Alli lost it not steffys fault
Steffy lied to Thorne
MsGhost79 yes she did
5:35 - 6:00 was all just shots of scenery. That's 25 seconds straight. I mean is that really necessary?
Aly need lost of help steffy was on the side of the road and aly went to killer steffy if she want to iva you not see all that happened that night you see that steffy killer aly
Ivy you was not there with steffy and Ali was a
Whyg didn't anyo me go to hospital with ally
Steffy has no conscience all she cares about is herself.
We know why you taped the video Ivy , you wanted to put the blame on Steffy , because you are jealous of Steffy and Liam ! You do not have the whole story.
They EASILY FORGIVE STEFFY BUT WHEN Rick wasn't even responsible for wrecking the car but Phoebe was the culprit they all blamed him for her death and constantly brought it up unlike Steffy. She gets away with a lot. Along with Taylor. That's one thing I don't like about BnB is that Bell allows for Taylor, Steffy to always get away with crap unlike the Logans.
The Logans get away with stuff all the time. They aren’t victims!
I agree with you about Steffy and Taylor, but one Logan always gets away with things and that's Brooke
They were all at home for the after party then mostly of them went to the company wtf
A accidental death on e police are involved you don't get to go home. This bad writting.
Love ivy ♥️ and alley ♥️ both awsome actors like Liam ♥️ and Wyatt ♥️ are too but Nicole is so boring 😴 💤 snooze fest so is her boy toy 💯 Steffy ♥️ didn't have to kill alley ♥️ steffy caused alley ♥️ to spiral out of control because alley ♥️💛saw through steffy s betrayal and manipulation s 💯of Liam 💜♥️💛💙
@@mieshaclarissa 🤦🏾♀️ I’m no fan of nobody only a fan of Stephanie no one else period I just watch these storylines
Oh dear dead really writers lol
So glad when Mia and Nicole left btb worst btb actors ever on btb forever and always 💔 💯 💯thorn ♥️💛is great ♥️💛💜💙💙♥️💛💛♥️💙💙thorn should of put Steffy in jail 💯
For an accident? Dumb ass 😂
Aly is dead, because of Rick Maya & Steffy