To be clear: You can beat this guy 100 different ways, it will depend on your party, this is just a rundown of his quirks, weaknesses, and a funny way to make him self destruct.
yeah lol Arycelle as a beast tamer was doing 280 with each musk shot (I think it's called that, matched the dark element and lobber makes a range throw). Fusilier way too slow (and no animal buffs) to be playable let alone needs line of sight. Risk assessment is the only harmful thing the 1st form can do, and you need a lot of range with ease for who is stunned/frightened, so maybe fusilier helps 2nd form so you don't get area of effect owned. Barbas did make fusils look bad lol. Surprised vid didn't have dragons throw boulders, I think that's at least 60 damage a pop, surprisingly, and you can go a little outside tile range so long as line of sight shows blue. Though I think it's to exploit rampart aura so he can't move lol interesting and then 16:32 that mirror force type move lol 18:49 and 19:40 wow that's batman level setup.
Thank you so much! This December I got to this boss and gave up after many attempts. This summer I decided to try again with this strategy. Went back outside the gardens to get dragons and came back in and did it!
Solos with Lord Denam using Brynhild sword with Meditate/Phalanx/First Aid (Lord version) and the auto divine magic. Denam took 200 damage per turn, healed for about 150 every turn. Did about 500 damage per turn. Required collecting 3 autoskill and 1 attack cards.
@@bd9045 there is a few tips i can give, one is items, items can lower his damage like weaken, two is palace of dead gives nice stuff do it till it gets rough
@@bd9045 you can also recruit a lich, they learn the auto skill reflect, it gives the reflect buff in an aoe. He will self delete like the dragon strat, but you only need to roll the rng with one unit. edit: a video demonstration: ruclips.net/video/2Kts88GPTi0/видео.html
This was extremely helpful to see! I got unlucky many times (one attempt had him casting Risk Management turn one, then 3/5 turns after that before I reset and tried again), but using all my spare dragons was the ticket to use his overpowered spells against him. I'm still not sure why my orbs/characters did so little damage, but I'm glad I finally beat him and can actually continue on with enjoying the rest of the story. I don't remember the PSP version to be *quite* as frustrating, and I played that one for several hundred hours. Or, maybe it's a traumatic memory I locked away? Hahaha.
He was definitely easier in the PSP version. Orbs aren't doing much because they are dramatically weaker in this version, or rather, have less initial stat overhead, apparently. Glad to help, fair warning, the post game gets even more insane!
Wait, you mean to say that most people didn't just do him solo? XD I remember fighting him in PSP and was like "huh, if that's how you're gonna go for, I'm just gonna Denam solo you then". And it works perfectly.
@@Croyles plenty of ways. It's the skills that matters. For Reborn, some of the famous skills to use are phalanx, steelstance, sanguine assault, etc.. you just need to get like 2/3 auto cards and the rest are physical. It's definitely not as easy to do as PSP, but it's definitely doable. Hell, someone even actually did it with Berserker XD
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Merci pour avoir donner quelques pistes intéressantes, j'ai enfin réussi le boss seulement avec Denam et 2 dragons avec la carapace dragon, c'est dingue comme c'est passé d'un boss extrêmement dur à fraude de l'année 😂 Superbe technique en tout cas le renvoi de dégâts des dragons.
"how am I going to stop this mean mother Hubbard from tearing me a structurally superfluous be-hind? The answer, use a gun, and if that don't work... Use more gun."
Unrelated, but a funny little thing about bombs scaling with weapon skill that I just found out: they work with those craftable +20 weapon skill earrings. Just took my Beast Tamer into training and at 40+20 weapon skill his bombs are landing for 400+ damage.
for me, the first face i ended up losing too many times but i had a funny idea so i baited to the edge corner on the map and wait to the enemy units close to me to be pushed one by one out the map. the second face is unclear to me right now but i triyng to figure it out an idea to defeat him
Thanks to this video, I was able to defeat the final boss. I went in with all dragons and equipped them all with healing items to stay alive in the fight. They were all very tanky, so the final boss AoE's didn't really sting. I equipped skill cards on Denam and made sure he had phalanx up all the time. Slowly but surely, I bit and tail lashed his hp down little by little. But it was dragon scales that did the most damage. TY!
@@sethsgamingandstuff Normal stats work, you can get a lot done with exploiting weaknesses and just ignoring stats. For example. Highish for the time stat buccaneer with a 2h in that fight? Hit for 100. Light crossbow hoplite with all defensive stats? 200-400. Just a pierce weakness. Pretty much the only time that happens, but oh well. At the same time, the basic warrior could also drop 500s due to the dark finisher on fists. Mages got their damage once a cudgel finisher opened him up to an Enfeeble. At the same time we can also exploit flat damage through Shots. Stats are stats, but there's a million other mechanics out there that matter more.
I solo'd the boss first playthrough of this game with denem have phalenx, mothers blessing, first aid, and sword skill equipped with the brynhild sword. I also had two skill cards and two phy up cards. I also was placing myself in a way so he would grab the random cards around the stadium to get rid of some of his damage and mp regen cards, because whenever he would teleport he always seemed to want to go behind you alot to attack. So I would just stand next to a card and turn away from it so that he would grab it.
Weakened, Spoilspell, Fruit of the Seraph on Clerics and Major Heal 2 have saved my ass from this fight after scratching my head for 3 hours initially when I fought him
What is your guys party set up. I can’t find any good guide or ideas. First time players here and I cannot beat this boss. Coffees guides are too out there for anyone new. Hes not cut and dry he’s all over the place with super long vids that don’t teach anything
@@bd9045 i think coffee teaches pretty well to be honest he has long vis but alot of useful information, as for beating the boss, its actually super easy tbh, theres many ways to win, i can solo him with denam, i can nuke him with my lich who can two shot him, bring a team full of high damage dealers etc, phase two is the "hard" part and that is so easily cheesed and this vid itself made it very clear how to beat this boss lol
Union Level doesn't mean as much as folks think it does. Debuffs and Advantages are where you're seeing one shot potential, Levels are basically a baseline. That's how we're doing a Union Level 0 run right now, followed by taking it even farther with a Level 1 run after.
@@CoffeePotato I took a bunch of clerics I recruited and when they basically became useless due to potions healing a lot, turned them into holy element rune fencers/valks using a 1HD sword.
@@CoffeePotato I'm super new to tactics ogre despite being a very buff fan of fft and I hate to say it. this game is way better than fft in my opinion...
@@andysauruss Got any flavors of Shots, Brands, or Enfeebles? (Shots don't check armor, Brands Weaken, Enfeeble is usually easier from cudgel finishers.)
@@CoffeePotato I finally beat it by adding 2 dragons with dragon scale and using the chariot tarot to rewind if he casts condemned. Ozma’s weapon specials were also my heavy damage hitter.
1:35 Nope, I have done the Shrines and got me a F and a M Necromancer and I got the Curse 1 and 2 spells while inside the Hanging Gardens. My Catiua is dead so no, not only Dark Priest can have it. It is my first Dorgalua kill too.
Tell me what you're running (or send the save if on Steam), and I'd like to show how to make it work. These kind of puzzles are some of the most fun to figure out.
I just got to this boss and can't beat him. Watching this video makes me feel like I was playing a completely different game lol. I didn't know faeries existed and all of these combos are awesome
Oh yeah, everything's got something, you can pull out some really wild strategies. Faerie Familiars are great tricksters, you can also Perma stun this guy with a Cyclops nearby, or use Warriors to drop a guaranteed Breach hit with a Claymore+, or Pressure Whirl into an Enfeeble to open up for Crit boosted spell spam, or send in a naked Risk Management berserker to eat and redirect damage using bulky gryphons or something...there's just always something to mess with.
If you don’t already have one.. would you do a video on stat growth? Like how it works, what each class gets? I saw people talking about leveling chars as one class and then switching to another to make different stats grow faster.
I love this strategy lol. I 'used' accidentally with my dragons against Ozma and Lanselot. Ozma in particular lost about 60% of her hp hitting dragon scale lol. About the final fight, for me it was not that bad because I did PoTD in my first chaos run(never completed PoTD to 100 on the PSP version, so I really wanted to do that) before the gardens. The AI made a mistake in the first phase by activating risk management and charging my units alone without considering the range of the skill. Summons spells where so good I did not even need to bring my dark dragon to enfeeble him. I try to only use items when I have no other choice, I am glad that even though items are powerful, you can still do most fights without using them.
Fun note, they added a weird softlock key for Wiegraf. If you used Squire at all, and picked up wither Tailwind or Accumulate, you can basically one shot him.
The way I beat this guy, that pretty much works with any team you might have up to this point is just to collect 3 auto cards on a phalanx knight, and then pling the boss with long range magic every turn.
My first time through this fight, dude has around 150 health left. Everyone is incapped except Mirdyn, and he has no MP and is too far away to do anything even if he did. But he could blessing-stone my generic Witch. She stood up, meditated and then blasted him to save the day. Was intense. My second time I cheesed him with Solo Phalanx Denam.
Broooooo I coincidentally am on the law path and just recruited a bunch of dragons at the volcano. I was able to use this strat (after many failures) to clear Oz and Ballz without incaps (which is making me dread boss fights). So thanks for the inspiration.
@@CoffeePotato Honestly Ballman was the hardest since he couldn't counterattack. Oz kept getting crits and meteoring himself into oblivion but it was very hard to get B to attack correct targets. I'm also sad because the first time Oz dropped an alluring dress and the second time a card. Ugh.
Guess he caught on to my plan... he didn't target the clump of dragons I had, but only one (and one that didn't proc dragon scale). Long story short, I just got obliterated... lol. I guess I need to try something else.
And why does a boss like him have Risk Management? That should be illegal... Plus: I got slapped with condemn, and he murdered my cleric that could counter it. Things did not go as planned LOL
@@jonkohrr2.06 Swap cleric to a different element, dark hits extra hard vs Divine. It's kinda nice to see him going tryhard this time after being a curb stomp since the 90s.
@@CoffeePotato Update: I managed to beat him with just sheer awesomeness. Swapped the dragons for my favorite melee attackers and stocked up on healing items, plus a few bombs to lobber at him. The bombs were a lifesaver!
I tried so many different strategies and keep failing. This boss is the definition of absurd. It doesnt let you revive units, hits like a truck, and pops auto defense on every turn making him invulnerable. Now, phase 1 is doable ok. Phase 2 its just not fun.
Never used dragons, but that's a very nice ability to reflect 100% of damage. I only played on PSP. Brought 4 units and mainly used Bombs and Magic. I tried to get my party on the side 'islands' where if all tiles were occupied, he could reach any of my party with melee attacks; the only thing left was his AOE Finisher, which was taken care of by Brimstone. He has good EVA, bug there are multiple opportunities.
@@CoffeePotato there’s some guides out there that alleged Hanging garden would be nigh impossible without doing Potd at least once. This didn’t make sense to me as Potd is an optional dungeon. Thanks for the clarification.
Ugh every time I try this the dude does Risk Management straight out of the starting gate. And my dragons get slaughtered because they NEVER cast Scale on themselves. The doppelgänger dragons do right away. Is there a trick to getting my units to do their skills? I came in with Catiua’s Lucky Star skill loaded. The doppelgänger Catiua cast it as soon as it was her turn. After the fourth round, mine was dead. Even my Lich didn’t cast Reflect. It got so frustrating I just turned the game off
The trick is skill cards and backup plans. This is just a cheesy way to do the fight. Bring Fortify/Dodge items, pocket heals, hit Dorgy with a Brand to Weaken him, use poison on his dragons to melt them out of the fight, etc. I'll have more on how to handle this in a proper team sense when I have time, but it's not just one trick.
My very boring strategy: Have a really powerful Denam and a bunch of Shamans and a stinky healer, give everyone healing items and float shoes. Ignore the dupes. Wait for the risk management to not trigger and OHKO his first form while the AI chases my wizards. After the reset, bring everyone who’s knocked out back to life, then continue the same trick - he will go after the wizards first but if he can’t kill them in one hit they can just keep healing while Denam beats him to death. Having said that, this strategy requires Strength/Agility around 300-350 so not everyone will do this.
This tactic is money. Did it with 6 dragons. 2 fusiliers 2 archers denam and flying dude. Didn't lose a single unit and he kept nuking himself down. Won 1 on the first try
I ended up having to do the dragon army plus Denam, Catiua, a fairy and a lizardman. In the end, only lost the lizardman due to the first form getting the permadeath effect out on the field before he then suicided via Dragon Scale, so I couldn't even use the Chariot to try and undo the effect before the second phase.
I haven't played game yet so I'm not sure but if the Final boss is a giant Egg thing like the pic shows before you click on this video then that is totally a spoiler alert :)
What a difficulty spike. What makes it frustrating is nothing activates for you while they get all skills and Dorgalua seems to have 2 turns to your 1. Classic Square gimmick boss.
@@CoffeePotato Yeah I unfortunately killed everything and don't have the abilities needed to win. Not giving up just had to start over and clearly don't go with hired mercs recruit more creatures. A lot of info is hidden in game that should be clearer. Based on my choices, the Neutral Route is way harder than the Lawful Route so far. Almost did it too was within 2 hits of victory. CHALLENGE: Try final boss with only Denam and 1 Healer on Neutral Route. My Denam was Dark Knight Build (HP Absorb). That dam risk management, if anything strong team makes phase 1 harder.
Your perception of opportunities to manipulate interacting mechanics is Really impressive. You could apply that analytic skill to lots of games. Or even real-world problem-solving.
Hardcore SRPG players are like this. Im not hardcore SRPG player but i like to analyze and find new and sometimes unorthodox ways to beat stages, and especially if it has multiplayer pvp i like to find ways to kill metas that communities develop.
I do, it's called being a dad of 3 🤣. "Mom needs to sleep in, we got requests for an impossible breakfast from 2 tired kiddos and the other one's snotty, but hates the nose sucker. All will yell if they don't get what they want. How do we get this done?
i kinda just about luckily did the chamber of seals fight actually don't think my team is capable of this and i cba restarting the whole of hanging gardens to get there again. i rather do soulstype bosses than fully regrind my way to get a suited team
@@waleader626 You don't need to grind. It's never been about the grind. All you really need to dunk on this guy is Stun. White Knights can guarantee stun, all casters have Concentration+Stun to make the odds far better, and any weapon with a Stun effect can use a 100% attack to guarantee it.
@CoffeePotato got only 1 warlock as a caster with only word of pain 2, meteor strike 2, paradirgm and torpor as spells. Only stun i see is white knight with paralysis blade, iron golem with cruelest cut and a gryffon with stun breath 1/2. Denams a lord who uses fist so guess thats another one when using finishing move. My team is very heavy melee 1 archer, warlock probs only ranged i got
Think problem for me is first phase i just get out DPS by doppel gangers and when condemn comes through its over. Their white knight has a spear with paralysis blade and just stuns everyone too 😂
So I used the lob strategy to beat the game for the first time, just now. SPOILER: My ending was the one where Denam gets shot... by a knight? That's not canon! Knights can't use those things. Believe me, I've tried! I tried half-heartedly to save Catiua, but I just hate her so much for whatever reason. She's always whining and pulling my arm, needily. Then she stabs herself for NO DISCERNABLE REASON. It's gotta be mental illness. So if she kills herself, then I get shot at the end? Kinda dark.
Pretty much every single part of that situation is part of the "it makes a little more sense every different playthrough." Appeal of this game. It never hammers you over the head with it.
@@CoffeePotato Okay, I'll unlock the various other endings. I'm sure I can find them all using "World Chariot" or whatever it's called. Gotta admit, I'm really enjoying this remake. Lots of goodies in there.
@@treygreen6983 It's not just endings, though, it's in everything. My favorite example is how Hektor seems like a Pompous ass in two routes, an idiot in the other, then you piece it together, and the guy's trying to defect, but pissed that removed his wife from the board. Same as Catiua's betrayal makes no sense at first, but you realize both she and Tarty basically line up in their goal of "end this stupid war as fast as possible, ignore the generational drama". ...or how Vyce seems to have a rival complex, which he does, but his real goal is to set himself apart from Denam to get out of the friend zone. Even in his best ending, this doesn't succeed, and that's hilarious.
Heaven generals, though it depends on which definition of "Final Boss". The story final boss is an attrition fight, so most struggle there at first. The Coda 2 final boss is similar, but moreso just a weird rescue mission out of nowhere. The Coda 4 boss, especially if doing the Challenge version, is definitely the hardest fight in the game. 3 vs 18, 6 of those are previous bosses, they have an up to 21 level advantage, all have Relic gear, all have disabling debuffs, and they come with the biggest terrain advantage possible. Even with a full party it's a pretty hard fight, but Coda 4 Trio is the only way to get the final trophy relic in the game. Even on successful attempts, it can take well over an hour to beat. Paradoxically, despite this being the fastest version of the game, this is one of the longest fights full stop, because you could just one shot everyone with little effort in PSP. Now they not only have that advantage on you, but get a lot of new skills.
This might be a dumb question, but are you able to give the ogre blade to a generic and body swap with any of the non-recruitable bosses like Dorgalua or Oz?
In the PSP version dumb ol me couldn't beat his ass because my own units made it hell for me.... So I went and made them all bare naked and no skill only items IV and zerged him like a flok of idiots. Worked but kinda dumb lol.
If I had known how hard this fight was gonna be, I'd have gone with Lord Denam (no longer an option), so I guess dragon scale is gonna be my strat. Off to the woods I go to make some scaly boi friends. P.S. am I the only one who never gets skill procs in this game? Auto Trigger cards seem to spawn near enemies who trigger their skills anyway, but not near me.
Tried twice but the dragons have no interest in procing scale...oh and risk management is absolutely bs....I have a good team and done potd no probs but this fight is the first proper bs flag but I'll perservere
@@bd9045 If you have the Lord class, which you get if you made a choice that puts you on the trajectory to the bad ending, you can equip any skill from any class you were previously in. So you can just reclass to a bunch of classes at like level 40 and then reclass to Lord to use ridiculous skill combos. How I did it was equipping Denam with brynhildr and lombardia, equipping the skills 1h swords, meditate iv, phalanx iii, and the auto skill that removes debuffs (it's called mother's [something]), and giving Denam a bunch of healing items. On the first phase, before finishing it, collect 3-4 skill cards so that those skills proc pretty much always and you will be pretty much unkillable for plenty of time to deal with the second phase by spamming finishers. I made Denam light element and spammed the 4th 1h sword finisher you get. Hope this helps anyone.
I know a bit off topic, but do you know how to make a lich? Someone sad its an item that drops in floor 33 in potd but I had a super hard fight there and nothing dropped.
the item is called Ring of the Dead it didnt drop until floor 51 or so of my run. I recruited the two liches from the beezlebub fight long before I saw the ring of the dead. And yeah you can goto the pirate graveyard is an earlier one apparently, i didnt do that
Floor 53, death eater. Dropped ring of the dead. Not sure if it matters but I farmed 53 with the two death eaters and never got it. The layout with only 1 death eater dropped it for me. Again, not sure if that matters. Update: make sure to trigger event on floor 41. I don't have these answers on how. I'm sure Google can help with that.
To be clear: You can beat this guy 100 different ways, it will depend on your party, this is just a rundown of his quirks, weaknesses, and a funny way to make him self destruct.
I had to resort to immortal Denam with my entire undead team to win lol
Yes the grenades are based on weapons kill, changed a Beastmaster weapon to a lvl 1 skill and they dealt 1 damage while previously dealing 200+
Yeah, ninjutsu and self destruct are funky too.
yeah lol Arycelle as a beast tamer was doing 280 with each musk shot (I think it's called that, matched the dark element and lobber makes a range throw). Fusilier way too slow (and no animal buffs) to be playable let alone needs line of sight. Risk assessment is the only harmful thing the 1st form can do, and you need a lot of range with ease for who is stunned/frightened, so maybe fusilier helps 2nd form so you don't get area of effect owned. Barbas did make fusils look bad lol. Surprised vid didn't have dragons throw boulders, I think that's at least 60 damage a pop, surprisingly, and you can go a little outside tile range so long as line of sight shows blue. Though I think it's to exploit rampart aura so he can't move lol interesting and then 16:32 that mirror force type move lol 18:49 and 19:40 wow that's batman level setup.
This game should be called Tactics Pizza because it has a lot of cheese :)
As always! That's what makes this series wonderful!
Thank you so much! This December I got to this boss and gave up after many attempts. This summer I decided to try again with this strategy. Went back outside the gardens to get dragons and came back in and did it!
Glad to help! There's a ton of ways to do it, this one's just funny 😂
Solos with Lord Denam using Brynhild sword with Meditate/Phalanx/First Aid (Lord version) and the auto divine magic. Denam took 200 damage per turn, healed for about 150 every turn. Did about 500 damage per turn. Required collecting 3 autoskill and 1 attack cards.
I love seeing how many tricky ways people came up with to beat this guy.
ny denam can oneshot it with berserk and 4 auto skill cards with mighty impact double attack lol
Well I’ve fought this boss 100 times can’t beat him. Still haven’t found a real way to beat this. The difficulty spike is like no other game
@@bd9045 there is a few tips i can give, one is items, items can lower his damage like weaken, two is palace of dead gives nice stuff do it till it gets rough
@@bd9045
you can also recruit a lich, they learn the auto skill reflect, it gives the reflect buff in an aoe. He will self delete like the dragon strat, but you only need to roll the rng with one unit.
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a video demonstration: ruclips.net/video/2Kts88GPTi0/видео.html
This was extremely helpful to see! I got unlucky many times (one attempt had him casting Risk Management turn one, then 3/5 turns after that before I reset and tried again), but using all my spare dragons was the ticket to use his overpowered spells against him. I'm still not sure why my orbs/characters did so little damage, but I'm glad I finally beat him and can actually continue on with enjoying the rest of the story.
I don't remember the PSP version to be *quite* as frustrating, and I played that one for several hundred hours. Or, maybe it's a traumatic memory I locked away? Hahaha.
He was definitely easier in the PSP version. Orbs aren't doing much because they are dramatically weaker in this version, or rather, have less initial stat overhead, apparently. Glad to help, fair warning, the post game gets even more insane!
Wait, you mean to say that most people didn't just do him solo? XD
I remember fighting him in PSP and was like "huh, if that's how you're gonna go for, I'm just gonna Denam solo you then". And it works perfectly.
How would you deal with the second phase?
@@Croyles Superlord Denam is just too strong for him. As long as you've collected cards in the first phase, you're good.
@@Croyles There's ways to do it with anything 🤣
@@Croyles plenty of ways. It's the skills that matters. For Reborn, some of the famous skills to use are phalanx, steelstance, sanguine assault, etc.. you just need to get like 2/3 auto cards and the rest are physical.
It's definitely not as easy to do as PSP, but it's definitely doable. Hell, someone even actually did it with Berserker XD
Man, you are on fire!
I hope you can reach the 10K subs soon.
@@Dracobyte I did, funnily enough!
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Thank You kindly!
First time it was HARD man!
I've watch so many of your videos and thought I was already subbed lol. Great info!
Glad to entertain!
Merci pour avoir donner quelques pistes intéressantes, j'ai enfin réussi le boss seulement avec Denam et 2 dragons avec la carapace dragon, c'est dingue comme c'est passé d'un boss extrêmement dur à fraude de l'année 😂
Superbe technique en tout cas le renvoi de dégâts des dragons.
@@b.x.t.1582 Glad to help!
"how am I going to stop this mean mother Hubbard from tearing me a structurally superfluous be-hind? The answer, use a gun, and if that don't work... Use more gun."
Unrelated, but a funny little thing about bombs scaling with weapon skill that I just found out: they work with those craftable +20 weapon skill earrings.
Just took my Beast Tamer into training and at 40+20 weapon skill his bombs are landing for 400+ damage.
That would explain a lot about why Lindl on my main file is hitting so much harder, good call.
for me, the first face i ended up losing too many times but i had a funny idea so i baited to the edge corner on the map and wait to the enemy units close to me to be pushed one by one out the map. the second face is unclear to me right now but i triyng to figure it out an idea to defeat him
Thanks to this video, I was able to defeat the final boss. I went in with all dragons and equipped them all with healing items to stay alive in the fight. They were all very tanky, so the final boss AoE's didn't really sting. I equipped skill cards on Denam and made sure he had phalanx up all the time. Slowly but surely, I bit and tail lashed his hp down little by little. But it was dragon scales that did the most damage. TY!
Glad to help, congratulations!
Speaking of beating him in different ways, I wonder if some mad lad out there stoned him to death lol
Fine, I'll get it done...
@@sethsgamingandstuff Normal stats work, you can get a lot done with exploiting weaknesses and just ignoring stats. For example. Highish for the time stat buccaneer with a 2h in that fight? Hit for 100. Light crossbow hoplite with all defensive stats? 200-400. Just a pierce weakness. Pretty much the only time that happens, but oh well.
At the same time, the basic warrior could also drop 500s due to the dark finisher on fists. Mages got their damage once a cudgel finisher opened him up to an Enfeeble.
At the same time we can also exploit flat damage through Shots.
Stats are stats, but there's a million other mechanics out there that matter more.
I solo'd the boss first playthrough of this game with denem have phalenx, mothers blessing, first aid, and sword skill equipped with the brynhild sword. I also had two skill cards and two phy up cards. I also was placing myself in a way so he would grab the random cards around the stadium to get rid of some of his damage and mp regen cards, because whenever he would teleport he always seemed to want to go behind you alot to attack. So I would just stand next to a card and turn away from it so that he would grab it.
Weakened, Spoilspell, Fruit of the Seraph on Clerics and Major Heal 2 have saved my ass from this fight after scratching my head for 3 hours initially when I fought him
this fight was me walking up with canopus with cards doing 1k a turn lol
What is your guys party set up. I can’t find any good guide or ideas. First time players here and I cannot beat this boss. Coffees guides are too out there for anyone new. Hes not cut and dry he’s all over the place with super long vids that don’t teach anything
@@bd9045 i think coffee teaches pretty well to be honest he has long vis but alot of useful information, as for beating the boss, its actually super easy tbh, theres many ways to win, i can solo him with denam, i can nuke him with my lich who can two shot him, bring a team full of high damage dealers etc, phase two is the "hard" part and that is so easily cheesed
and this vid itself made it very clear how to beat this boss lol
I got into this game and had some hard spots, but I thought yeah I'll clear hanging gardens. union level 40...talk about a slap in the face to reality
Union Level doesn't mean as much as folks think it does. Debuffs and Advantages are where you're seeing one shot potential, Levels are basically a baseline. That's how we're doing a Union Level 0 run right now, followed by taking it even farther with a Level 1 run after.
@@CoffeePotato I took a bunch of clerics I recruited and when they basically became useless due to potions healing a lot, turned them into holy element rune fencers/valks using a 1HD sword.
@@CoffeePotato I'm super new to tactics ogre despite being a very buff fan of fft and I hate to say it. this game is way better than fft in my opinion...
I can’t beat him. Got to the second form but the stuff he summons in the degree wipes me out.
Stun helps a lot there, as well as debuffs. Hyper armor skills resist them well, and he can be slowed down, too.
@@CoffeePotato I got close again but no luck. Stun definitely helped though.
@@andysauruss Got any flavors of Shots, Brands, or Enfeebles? (Shots don't check armor, Brands Weaken, Enfeeble is usually easier from cudgel finishers.)
@@CoffeePotato I finally beat it by adding 2 dragons with dragon scale and using the chariot tarot to rewind if he casts condemned. Ozma’s weapon specials were also my heavy damage hitter.
Denam and 3 dragons. That's all it took. It was hilarious how easy it is
Now I feel like a fool. I just got to him and he was clapping my cheeks hard! I was convinced he was nigh invincible.
1:35 Nope, I have done the Shrines and got me a F and a M Necromancer and I got the Curse 1 and 2 spells while inside the Hanging Gardens. My Catiua is dead so no, not only Dark Priest can have it. It is my first Dorgalua kill too.
I quit on this game for its final boss, can't purchase stocks and items that i need, pretty much fked up when i enter hanging garden.
Tell me what you're running (or send the save if on Steam), and I'd like to show how to make it work. These kind of puzzles are some of the most fun to figure out.
I just got to this boss and can't beat him. Watching this video makes me feel like I was playing a completely different game lol. I didn't know faeries existed and all of these combos are awesome
Oh yeah, everything's got something, you can pull out some really wild strategies. Faerie Familiars are great tricksters, you can also Perma stun this guy with a Cyclops nearby, or use Warriors to drop a guaranteed Breach hit with a Claymore+, or Pressure Whirl into an Enfeeble to open up for Crit boosted spell spam, or send in a naked Risk Management berserker to eat and redirect damage using bulky gryphons or something...there's just always something to mess with.
If you don’t already have one.. would you do a video on stat growth? Like how it works, what each class gets? I saw people talking about leveling chars as one class and then switching to another to make different stats grow faster.
Will do. It's on the list for this week.
I love this strategy lol. I 'used' accidentally with my dragons against Ozma and Lanselot. Ozma in particular lost about 60% of her hp hitting dragon scale lol. About the final fight, for me it was not that bad because I did PoTD in my first chaos run(never completed PoTD to 100 on the PSP version, so I really wanted to do that) before the gardens. The AI made a mistake in the first phase by activating risk management and charging my units alone without considering the range of the skill. Summons spells where so good I did not even need to bring my dark dragon to enfeeble him. I try to only use items when I have no other choice, I am glad that even though items are powerful, you can still do most fights without using them.
Yup, that's what makes challenge runs so fun in this. Every little thing is just swimming in mechanics to exploit.
that boss fight legit made me feel thankful I did a previous save, I soft locked myself on fft with zodiac weg on fft
Fun note, they added a weird softlock key for Wiegraf. If you used Squire at all, and picked up wither Tailwind or Accumulate, you can basically one shot him.
darn, can you make a no incapacitated run in this game? OMG, your troops are dropping like flies with the final boss...
@@Fugazity Yeah, No Incap is possible, I just prefer risk strats these days. I have a No Incap guide on the pile for someday.
The way I beat this guy, that pretty much works with any team you might have up to this point is just to collect 3 auto cards on a phalanx knight, and then pling the boss with long range magic every turn.
My first time through this fight, dude has around 150 health left. Everyone is incapped except Mirdyn, and he has no MP and is too far away to do anything even if he did. But he could blessing-stone my generic Witch. She stood up, meditated and then blasted him to save the day. Was intense.
My second time I cheesed him with Solo Phalanx Denam.
I love that both of these options are possible.
Broooooo I coincidentally am on the law path and just recruited a bunch of dragons at the volcano. I was able to use this strat (after many failures) to clear Oz and Ballz without incaps (which is making me dread boss fights). So thanks for the inspiration.
Glad to help! It's a funny strategy, and falls off for anything other than heavy bosses, but it's fun!
@@CoffeePotato Honestly Ballman was the hardest since he couldn't counterattack. Oz kept getting crits and meteoring himself into oblivion but it was very hard to get B to attack correct targets. I'm also sad because the first time Oz dropped an alluring dress and the second time a card. Ugh.
@@JohnofPA If you're looking for a Prox, they drop like candy mid POTD now.
Guess he caught on to my plan... he didn't target the clump of dragons I had, but only one (and one that didn't proc dragon scale). Long story short, I just got obliterated... lol. I guess I need to try something else.
And why does a boss like him have Risk Management? That should be illegal... Plus: I got slapped with condemn, and he murdered my cleric that could counter it. Things did not go as planned LOL
@@jonkohrr2.06 Swap cleric to a different element, dark hits extra hard vs Divine. It's kinda nice to see him going tryhard this time after being a curb stomp since the 90s.
Happens, that's why this is kind of a meme strategy. There's a lot of ways to crack this nut.
@@CoffeePotato Update: I managed to beat him with just sheer awesomeness. Swapped the dragons for my favorite melee attackers and stocked up on healing items, plus a few bombs to lobber at him. The bombs were a lifesaver!
@@jonkohrr2.06 Great job pulling off the full team win! Now for the utter lunacy that is the post game!
I tried so many different strategies and keep failing. This boss is the definition of absurd. It doesnt let you revive units, hits like a truck, and pops auto defense on every turn making him invulnerable. Now, phase 1 is doable ok. Phase 2 its just not fun.
It's doable, he's just a solid mechanics check. Considering beating him before was as easy as "bring items", it's refreshing for the old timers.
Never used dragons, but that's a very nice ability to reflect 100% of damage.
I only played on PSP. Brought 4 units and mainly used Bombs and Magic. I tried to get my party on the side 'islands' where if all tiles were occupied, he could reach any of my party with melee attacks; the only thing left was his AOE Finisher, which was taken care of by Brimstone. He has good EVA, bug there are multiple opportunities.
Should I do Potd before the hanging gardens?
Up to you! You get extra stuff later for doing so, but it'll be much harder before completing the HG at least once.
@@CoffeePotato there’s some guides out there that alleged Hanging garden would be nigh impossible without doing Potd at least once. This didn’t make sense to me as Potd is an optional dungeon. Thanks for the clarification.
Ugh every time I try this the dude does Risk Management straight out of the starting gate. And my dragons get slaughtered because they NEVER cast Scale on themselves. The doppelgänger dragons do right away. Is there a trick to getting my units to do their skills? I came in with Catiua’s Lucky Star skill loaded. The doppelgänger Catiua cast it as soon as it was her turn. After the fourth round, mine was dead. Even my Lich didn’t cast Reflect. It got so frustrating I just turned the game off
The trick is skill cards and backup plans. This is just a cheesy way to do the fight. Bring Fortify/Dodge items, pocket heals, hit Dorgy with a Brand to Weaken him, use poison on his dragons to melt them out of the fight, etc. I'll have more on how to handle this in a proper team sense when I have time, but it's not just one trick.
Fairy, parry, situation hairy because the enemy is to marry the pumpkin fairy.
Kinda Scary there, Harry.
My very boring strategy:
Have a really powerful Denam and a bunch of Shamans and a stinky healer, give everyone healing items and float shoes. Ignore the dupes. Wait for the risk management to not trigger and OHKO his first form while the AI chases my wizards.
After the reset, bring everyone who’s knocked out back to life, then continue the same trick - he will go after the wizards first but if he can’t kill them in one hit they can just keep healing while Denam beats him to death.
Having said that, this strategy requires Strength/Agility around 300-350 so not everyone will do this.
Dude, you got a shout out by AustinSV on his tactics ogre version comparison vid.
This tactic is money. Did it with 6 dragons. 2 fusiliers 2 archers denam and flying dude. Didn't lose a single unit and he kept nuking himself down. Won 1 on the first try
I ended up having to do the dragon army plus Denam, Catiua, a fairy and a lizardman. In the end, only lost the lizardman due to the first form getting the permadeath effect out on the field before he then suicided via Dragon Scale, so I couldn't even use the Chariot to try and undo the effect before the second phase.
I haven't played game yet so I'm not sure but if the Final boss is a giant Egg thing like the pic shows before you click on this video then that is totally a spoiler alert :)
Nope, but it is a fun move.
4 Necros with Paradigm Shift did the trick for me 😆😆😆
That'll do it!
Is there a title for no incapacitations? If so, I'll have to do a zombie run at some point, so I don't need to worry about it.
Uhhhh, I just beat him using all of the specials from Law route stacked with 3 100% healing salves and 1 blessing stone each, iunno.
True, but that ain't funny. 👍
I support the “Just beat the tar out of him” technique
@@ryanruopp3711 But he just wanted to be oil!
Where did you get thunder shot on your fusilier? I have never come in contact with that
I beat this in a very different way. Ghosts and warlock pumpkin heads ; )
@@yarrow2192 That'll do it, too! Thunder Shots are just at the store. You can also craft them, but the store is cheaper.
I reached CODA but my Canopus is dead....what do I do????
I wanted cressida and divine knight but now I can't access san bronso ........
@@keopsps3474 Go to World. Replay that first Canopus fight. Warp back to Coda and continue.
@@CoffeePotato just did it , thanks!!!
What a difficulty spike. What makes it frustrating is nothing activates for you while they get all skills and Dorgalua seems to have 2 turns to your 1. Classic Square gimmick boss.
He's always been cheesable with items or shield stall strats, but this is funnier.
@@CoffeePotato Yeah I unfortunately killed everything and don't have the abilities needed to win. Not giving up just had to start over and clearly don't go with hired mercs recruit more creatures. A lot of info is hidden in game that should be clearer. Based on my choices, the Neutral Route is way harder than the Lawful Route so far. Almost did it too was within 2 hits of victory. CHALLENGE: Try final boss with only Denam and 1 Healer on Neutral Route. My Denam was Dark Knight Build (HP Absorb). That dam risk management, if anything strong team makes phase 1 harder.
Your perception of opportunities to manipulate interacting mechanics is Really impressive.
You could apply that analytic skill to lots of games. Or even real-world problem-solving.
Hardcore SRPG players are like this. Im not hardcore SRPG player but i like to analyze and find new and sometimes unorthodox ways to beat stages, and especially if it has multiplayer pvp i like to find ways to kill metas that communities develop.
I do, it's called being a dad of 3 🤣. "Mom needs to sleep in, we got requests for an impossible breakfast from 2 tired kiddos and the other one's snotty, but hates the nose sucker. All will yell if they don't get what they want. How do we get this done?
@@CoffeePotato That's great!
Well good luck on breaking the metagame of fatherhood!
@@joshuabela5374 Naps Are OP, plz never nerf
can we beat him with reflection skill on lich? i think it will make him self destruct also
This is how I accidentally beat him on my first run though. Totally works, I took zero damage.
Does a lich reflect work on this similar to the dragons?
No, Orbs and Dorgy spells are physical with element, not magic.
T E C H N I C A L L Y
i tryed this strat multiple times but i never get anny procs....
There's more consistent ones, this one's just amusing.
i kinda just about luckily did the chamber of seals fight actually don't think my team is capable of this and i cba restarting the whole of hanging gardens to get there again. i rather do soulstype bosses than fully regrind my way to get a suited team
@@waleader626 You don't need to grind. It's never been about the grind. All you really need to dunk on this guy is Stun. White Knights can guarantee stun, all casters have Concentration+Stun to make the odds far better, and any weapon with a Stun effect can use a 100% attack to guarantee it.
@CoffeePotato got only 1 warlock as a caster with only word of pain 2, meteor strike 2, paradirgm and torpor as spells.
Only stun i see is white knight with paralysis blade, iron golem with cruelest cut and a gryffon with stun breath 1/2.
Denams a lord who uses fist so guess thats another one when using finishing move. My team is very heavy melee
1 archer, warlock probs only ranged i got
Lord, white knight, archer, vartan, cleric, ninja 2x swords, dragoon, warlock, hoptite, swordmaster, frost dragon and gryffon is main 12 i usually use
Think problem for me is first phase i just get out DPS by doppel gangers and when condemn comes through its over. Their white knight has a spear with paralysis blade and just stuns everyone too 😂
Got to 2nd phase for my first time but my blessing stones are all 0% to revive everyone? Does it apply from round before with my deaths
So I used the lob strategy to beat the game for the first time, just now.
SPOILER: My ending was the one where Denam gets shot... by a knight? That's not canon! Knights can't use those things. Believe me, I've tried!
I tried half-heartedly to save Catiua, but I just hate her so much for whatever reason. She's always whining and pulling my arm, needily. Then she stabs herself for NO DISCERNABLE REASON. It's gotta be mental illness. So if she kills herself, then I get shot at the end? Kinda dark.
Pretty much every single part of that situation is part of the "it makes a little more sense every different playthrough." Appeal of this game. It never hammers you over the head with it.
@@CoffeePotato Okay, I'll unlock the various other endings. I'm sure I can find them all using "World Chariot" or whatever it's called. Gotta admit, I'm really enjoying this remake. Lots of goodies in there.
@@treygreen6983 It's not just endings, though, it's in everything. My favorite example is how Hektor seems like a Pompous ass in two routes, an idiot in the other, then you piece it together, and the guy's trying to defect, but pissed that removed his wife from the board. Same as Catiua's betrayal makes no sense at first, but you realize both she and Tarty basically line up in their goal of "end this stupid war as fast as possible, ignore the generational drama".
...or how Vyce seems to have a rival complex, which he does, but his real goal is to set himself apart from Denam to get out of the friend zone. Even in his best ending, this doesn't succeed, and that's hilarious.
can someone please tell me how to negate his condemn ability i google it and i can never find anything on the topic
Clerics have a SKILL (not a spell) called Absolution.
Cleric or Priest
same as how I dealt with the heavenly generals.Btw which one is harder?The heavenly general or the final boss?
Heaven generals, though it depends on which definition of "Final Boss". The story final boss is an attrition fight, so most struggle there at first. The Coda 2 final boss is similar, but moreso just a weird rescue mission out of nowhere. The Coda 4 boss, especially if doing the Challenge version, is definitely the hardest fight in the game. 3 vs 18, 6 of those are previous bosses, they have an up to 21 level advantage, all have Relic gear, all have disabling debuffs, and they come with the biggest terrain advantage possible.
Even with a full party it's a pretty hard fight, but Coda 4 Trio is the only way to get the final trophy relic in the game. Even on successful attempts, it can take well over an hour to beat. Paradoxically, despite this being the fastest version of the game, this is one of the longest fights full stop, because you could just one shot everyone with little effort in PSP. Now they not only have that advantage on you, but get a lot of new skills.
You can also use 2 Shaman to hit with maximum aoe attacks
Can you win without a single unit going down? I got so close but he knocked my dragon off the edge! 😑
This might be a dumb question, but are you able to give the ogre blade to a generic and body swap with any of the non-recruitable bosses like Dorgalua or Oz?
Nope, that'd be interesting
i wish i was as cool as you
Aww, thanks, I think you are!
In the PSP version dumb ol me couldn't beat his ass because my own units made it hell for me.... So I went and made them all bare naked and no skill only items IV and zerged him like a flok of idiots. Worked but kinda dumb lol.
Yeah, that's why I love how they redid him. "Launch Orbs 5 times and go home" was a little dull.
I beat dorgala but I lost my two healers and one of the shamans 😢
Time for new units!
Off Center Fairy is the GOAT
On the psp version the doppelgangers were easy you lobbed a crap ton of bombs to do damage
i killed him with only one dragon woth scales lol slow bit effective. i still think this was an significa dificulty spike.
If I had known how hard this fight was gonna be, I'd have gone with Lord Denam (no longer an option), so I guess dragon scale is gonna be my strat. Off to the woods I go to make some scaly boi friends.
P.S. am I the only one who never gets skill procs in this game? Auto Trigger cards seem to spawn near enemies who trigger their skills anyway, but not near me.
When you want random things to happen, they never will 🤣. Just carry backup plans for them, and it'll seem like they're always triggering.
There is no extra bonus content in this game, my disappointment is immeasurable
Tried twice but the dragons have no interest in procing scale...oh and risk management is absolutely bs....I have a good team and done potd no probs but this fight is the first proper bs flag but I'll perservere
Your weapon skill too low coffee. It did happen to me when i tried it with occoine with blowgun 1.
Yeah, I threw him in at 1 just to have something in there. He only knows spears.
I just soloed him with denam lol.
Yea cool. How
@@bd9045 If you have the Lord class, which you get if you made a choice that puts you on the trajectory to the bad ending, you can equip any skill from any class you were previously in. So you can just reclass to a bunch of classes at like level 40 and then reclass to Lord to use ridiculous skill combos. How I did it was equipping Denam with brynhildr and lombardia, equipping the skills 1h swords, meditate iv, phalanx iii, and the auto skill that removes debuffs (it's called mother's [something]), and giving Denam a bunch of healing items. On the first phase, before finishing it, collect 3-4 skill cards so that those skills proc pretty much always and you will be pretty much unkillable for plenty of time to deal with the second phase by spamming finishers. I made Denam light element and spammed the 4th 1h sword finisher you get. Hope this helps anyone.
oh and also equip heal 3 so you can heal infinitely, speed up may be nice too.
18:06 lol
Aaaaah I wanna see and Not see this video...
I feel like all your videos could be 80% shorter and more direct to the point. U annoy me so much by speaking so much without saying anything.
U "funny" talk way to much ,ur speech skill is very low ,u need to work on that
Nah, I like to have fun doing this stuff.
I know a bit off topic, but do you know how to make a lich? Someone sad its an item that drops in floor 33 in potd but I had a super hard fight there and nothing dropped.
floor 41 or 42ish has 2 liches that you can recruit, its kind of a wild recruitment Lol but i did it earlier its possible
or go to pirate graveyard to recruit lich
the item is called Ring of the Dead it didnt drop until floor 51 or so of my run. I recruited the two liches from the beezlebub fight long before I saw the ring of the dead. And yeah you can goto the pirate graveyard is an earlier one apparently, i didnt do that
@@soandsononame8750 I did recruit liches allready but I want to turn a unique unit into one. It looks like the best caster class.
Floor 53, death eater. Dropped ring of the dead.
Not sure if it matters but I farmed 53 with the two death eaters and never got it. The layout with only 1 death eater dropped it for me. Again, not sure if that matters.
Update: make sure to trigger event on floor 41.
I don't have these answers on how. I'm sure Google can help with that.