Nice work Justin. We are noticing the same thing you are with the EFI and fuel consumption. It's a negligible difference from what I've seen on both the Husky TE250i and the KTM 250 XC-W TPI that I've been testing.
Rocky Mountain ATV MC fuel consumption on the TPI is much better than the carb engine at lower engine speeds, tight going off the pipe. This is where the carb engine traditionally spits fuel out the exhaust port. Up in the revs there is more transfer port gas inertia, so similar results as a carburetor. At this point fuel is starting to enter the A ports as well due to the long injector on time required, so similar gas milage.
Thanks RMATV, I'll keep you guys in mind. Posted it on dirtbikeworld.net as well. We've only just got the i models in the country so I expect that it will be 6 months for demand to start.
Regarding the suspension. Weight yourself in full riding gear with a full hydropack to get your weight for the springs. Setting the bike up for your weight without gear is not the way to do it
More more I watch these videos I'm serious about buying one of these I have a 2015 FX 250 love the bike but I'm looking to get back in a two stroke seen a lot of good reviews would like to have it for a spare bike
Surprised the fuel economy on the TPI is not much better than the carb bike. I found in my tests that the Lectron carb has significantly better mileage than the stock carb.
After setting the float better and jetting with a JD jet kit, we got the carbureted bike running way better with way better fuel economy than it did stock (stock was horrible).
PNW Enduro I just got my te300i and I’ve seen as high as 45 mpg and as low as 30mpg. Depends on the type of riding. I had a fe350s and saw a high of 72mpg and low of 25mpg. It’s all about that right wrist.
You say you weigh 140lbs. Is that without gear on? Cause when I ride I have on about 25 lbs of gear (boots, tools, helmet, water etc) if so you're probably in or close to the correct range as those are on bike weights.
Phillip Bell i read in the Motocross Magazine that the fuel injected bikes do not have the interchangeable springs any more. All is done via the fuel injection.
Rocky Mountain ATV MC So there would be no real power valve adjustment capability as the power valve is a mechanical device and it's rate of opening is controlled by spring tension. To soften or harden the hit would then be controlled by mapping/ignition control rather than mechanical and mapping control as I have on my Beta, correct??
I've seen reviews raving about the 300, but felt like the power hit on the 250 is too soft (leaving it feeling underpowered). Personally, I prefer 250 two strokes over 300s.
Would be interested to see the same test done twice. Swapping riders. I ride with a couple of identical bikes and consumption varies based on who is on them. Not so much weight as riding style. Great review anyways.
What if it sits more than you ride it just wandering because l only ride myself mybe 4 times a year just wandering if you would have to change that stuff out anyway..
Thats a good question. If you're only riding that much its hard to say. KTM is usually conservative in their maintenance schedule (for everyday type of riders). I would be concerned that it would gum up if just left sitting for that long. It only goes through a tank of oil every 5-8 tanks of gas. So you'd might not even use the initial tank of oil if you're only riding it 4 times a year. I'd probably get a carb bike so that you could easily drain things or add stabilizers to your gas so that you don't have to worry about gumming up expensive EFI parts.
How it is ridden makes a huge difference on consumption. You can't really compare unless they are ridden the same. that is why we did this loop together. the sandy trails no doubt sucked the gas. I get great MPG when riding low RPMs in the mountains..... Justin
I'm surprised the MPG is that bad. Would you ever carry extra gas? I have no experience with 2 strokes, but I think my 2004 carburated WR450 gets about 60-70 MPG as far as I can tell.
Love it but I can buy 3 grooms for this price. 3 grooms will last me 10 years total with no real $$$ invested. But I still wish I could have one one day
Nice work Justin. We are noticing the same thing you are with the EFI and fuel consumption. It's a negligible difference from what I've seen on both the Husky TE250i and the KTM 250 XC-W TPI that I've been testing.
Thanks Kyle. Not that the fuel consumption is bad, but I was hoping it would be better. Not a deal breaker. it is a sweet bike for sure! - Justin
Rocky Mountain ATV MC
fuel consumption on the TPI is much better than the carb engine at lower engine speeds, tight going off the pipe. This is where the carb engine traditionally spits fuel out the exhaust port. Up in the revs there is more transfer port gas inertia, so similar results as a carburetor. At this point fuel is starting to enter the A ports as well due to the long injector on time required, so similar gas milage.
Great review.Thank you for the fuel consumption comparison,that's what I wanted to know.
thanks. Yeah, nothing special on fuel consumption. However it seems very efficient on the 2-stroke oil. It uses very little.
Thanks heaps for your video, made my mind up on what to get now
Love your vids
Have you gotten a chance to compare the 250 to the new 300 tpi? Not sure what one I want.
Does it have much low end grunt? I'm deciding over this or the 250 xc. I'm a trail/Enduro rider
I am getting 50 mpg riding in the NJ Pinelands average speed 35 mph
how are you getting 50mpg out of a 250 2stroke please tell me
Where is this place you rode?
What the replacement cost on the oil pump?
KTM lists it at $125.99 USD
Geez! For us guys here in Australia that just about doubled the top end rebuild cost. :-(
hahaha yeah that would be over $300 down under!
We currently sell the KTM OIL PUMP for $95.75 on our website. Thanks
Thanks RMATV, I'll keep you guys in mind. Posted it on dirtbikeworld.net as well. We've only just got the i models in the country so I expect that it will be 6 months for demand to start.
Regarding the suspension. Weight yourself in full riding gear with a full hydropack to get your weight for the springs. Setting the bike up for your weight without gear is not the way to do it
Great call! thanks
I wonder how much that oil pump will cost to replace.
Rocky Mountain has them in stock for $96
More more I watch these videos I'm serious about buying one of these I have a 2015 FX 250 love the bike but I'm looking to get back in a two stroke seen a lot of good reviews would like to have it for a spare bike
Surprised the fuel economy on the TPI is not much better than the carb bike. I found in my tests that the Lectron carb has significantly better mileage than the stock carb.
After setting the float better and jetting with a JD jet kit, we got the carbureted bike running way better with way better fuel economy than it did stock (stock was horrible).
PNW Enduro I just got my te300i and I’ve seen as high as 45 mpg and as low as 30mpg. Depends on the type of riding. I had a fe350s and saw a high of 72mpg and low of 25mpg. It’s all about that right wrist.
You say you weigh 140lbs. Is that without gear on? Cause when I ride I have on about 25 lbs of gear (boots, tools, helmet, water etc) if so you're probably in or close to the correct range as those are on bike weights.
without gear soaking wet! Not doubt the gear adds weight.... Justin
Good info,
Have you had the chance to play with the power valve adjustment or springs to see if it compares similarly to the carb versions?
Phillip Bell i read in the Motocross Magazine that the fuel injected bikes do not have the interchangeable springs any more. All is done via the fuel injection.
They usually come with optional springs, but this did not, so what @Marcel said makes sense.....Justin
Rocky Mountain ATV MC
So there would be no real power valve adjustment capability as the power valve is a mechanical device and it's rate of opening is controlled by spring tension. To soften or harden the hit would then be controlled by mapping/ignition control rather than mechanical and mapping control as I have on my Beta, correct??
Phillip Bell pretty much yes.
Why the 250, and not a 300 TPI ??? Would be also interesting to see, KTM v Husky ??
Because the 300 TPI isn't available in the USA for 2018. Maybe next year. Besides, I like how the 250 revs better than the 300....Justin
I've seen reviews raving about the 300, but felt like the power hit on the 250 is too soft (leaving it feeling underpowered). Personally, I prefer 250 two strokes over 300s.
Would be interested to see the same test done twice. Swapping riders. I ride with a couple of identical bikes and consumption varies based on who is on them. Not so much weight as riding style. Great review anyways.
Ok thanks *Dale Wells* for the suggestion. Thanks for watching.
You save oil not gas
Where are you riding? We travel north from Henderson, Nevada.
This was near Delta Utah
Think the MPG is better on the street. Here in europa they are road legal.
What if it sits more than you ride it just wandering because l only ride myself mybe 4 times a year just wandering if you would have to change that stuff out anyway..
Chris Cardoza why buy a brand new bike you only ride 4 times lol ?
Sometimes you just can buy things Chris. And I think it’s a very good question. Would you or anybody have a good answer for it?
Thats a good question. If you're only riding that much its hard to say. KTM is usually conservative in their maintenance schedule (for everyday type of riders). I would be concerned that it would gum up if just left sitting for that long. It only goes through a tank of oil every 5-8 tanks of gas. So you'd might not even use the initial tank of oil if you're only riding it 4 times a year. I'd probably get a carb bike so that you could easily drain things or add stabilizers to your gas so that you don't have to worry about gumming up expensive EFI parts.
Hmm all your test bikes got less milage than my 250xw carbureted but I'm pretty picky about jetting.
How it is ridden makes a huge difference on consumption. You can't really compare unless they are ridden the same. that is why we did this loop together. the sandy trails no doubt sucked the gas. I get great MPG when riding low RPMs in the mountains..... Justin
Do you know of any ideas on how to make them more fuel efficient
I don't. Don't get me wrong, it gets as good as you can get on a properly jetted 2-stroke. It isn't worse, maybe a tad better....Justin.
To all you guys out there who buy new bikes . Do you usually buy them brand new cash or finance them ? Not including people who trade in .
I always pay in cash. My rule is if I don't have enough money at the time I don't buy it until I do. I never finance toys.
PNW Enduro nice to know man
Do one on the 500
We did one comparing the Husky and KTM 500 (501). check that out. Bike build coming soon on both.
Rocky Mountain ATV MC mpg?
Check out min 8:24
Rocky Mountain ATV MC top speed?
i had the bike since january. I live in NJ and I am getting around 50mpg
*jim miller* that is awesome!
I'm surprised the MPG is that bad. Would you ever carry extra gas? I have no experience with 2 strokes, but I think my 2004 carburated WR450 gets about 60-70 MPG as far as I can tell.
In the mountains at lowr RPMs, I expect the bike to get at least 80 miles out of the stock tank. the sand I was in eats the fuel.
Man, the mileage is almost a deal breaker for me.
yeah, nothing special....Justin
it looks like you are riding on hamburger hill. that place looks like ground zero.
Not sure where that is. This is out by Delta Utah.
Rocky Mountain ATV MC hamburger hill is in Vietnam. We bombed it so thouroghly that it looked like a pile sand.
Love it but I can buy 3 grooms for this price. 3 grooms will last me 10 years total with no real $$$ invested. But I still wish I could have one one day
Justin rides better than face