Omg this is probably one of the best builds I’ve seen for this board. It sounds great and I love the keycaps and all your little 🐈 figures. I’ve heard about the issue with the stabilizers… I’m waiting for the zoom 65v2 to come and may just pick up extra stabs just in case. I love the color you choose too. 🥰
Great build video! I've thought about this board but at this point I'm too impatient for GB. I'm good with waiting 4 or 5 weeks like I did for my Neo but longer than that I might decided I want to spend the funds on something else. This keyboard looks and sounds amazing, great work and definitely worth the wait it seems!
I totally share your approach! I really hope this 4-5 weeks ETA will be the new standard soon. So many bad stories about unfulfilled GBs, it definitely shouldn't be the norm.
Great video! Can you talk more about the way you test latency for wireless? Maybe update your spreadsheet with details like how far you are from the receiver, whether there is anything between the receiver and the keyboard, etc. Wireless is fairly important to me so I'd love to know if the environment is going to be similar/better/worse than what I am going to be using at home. Thanks!
Hey, Thank you for your comment! The test setup is a fixed setup, the receiver is cca. 20cm from the keyboard - in each and every test. No obstacles in between. These measurements are best to use as comparison between different keyboards. Alu case keyboards tend to have worse wireless latency as the thicker the alu case, the weaker the signal is. In case of the Zoom75 they probably used such a frequency that was strongly eliminated by the thickness of the case. We re-tested it multiple times, and double-checked with many different keyboards, but only the Zoom75 had such an issue, so it was not caused by environmental interferences.
Love your reviews! Will you be reviewing the Rainy75, Leobog Hi8 or the Monsgeek M1 HE? Would love to watch your reviews on those. Also wondering if HE keyboards are worth getting now or should I just remain using mechanical switches keyboard currently.
@@thoccnology I see. Looks like I will be picking up a Rainy75 before trying out HE boards. Thank you for sharing your experience! Will be looking forward to your upcoming videos.
Ohmagawd, someone who cares about wireless keyboards enough to test and compare latency. Thanks for that. I very much need a wireless keyboard and am finally fed up enough with the bluetooth on my keychron to get back out here and look for something with 2.4GHz wireless. I really want this keyboard now (despite the 2.4GHz seeming a little mediocre), but sounds like I missed the boat.
There are only very few Extras available at some vendors (some at CoffeeKeys, CannonKeys, etc.). But yeah, the inconsistent performance is so sad. I feel your pain, Bluetooth is not usable in most cases, it's just a waste. :') Manufacturers should focus more on 2.4G.
At some point if you get your hands on a wooting board could you do a latency test on it using your standard setup? I see what their claimed numbers are but I'm interested in whether those are similar after your testing.
Absolutely yes! From what I researched, Rtings performs almost identical tests (also with similar results - at least differences well within general measurement error) - so until I myself get my hands on a Wooting, I'd say you're safe to go with their values for comparison. :)
i bought the exact same zoom75 as yours with the same switches, so why does yours sounds so much beterrr like yours sound more high pitched,do you have any idea on how I can make my zoom clackier, more high pitched? like removing some foams or I don't know
Yes, exactly as you said - for the second half of the sound test I removed all the foams (I left only the bottom case foam in the keyboard). That will definitely make it sound more poppy, and high-pitched! :)
Hii~~Thank you so much! ^-^ Using a high refresh rate monitor the differences are even more noticable - the worst BT results are even noticable during a simple typing session (even on a 60Hz screen). Differences can't be really seen/felt/computed by human brain under cca.10ms, so that's why I always advise to choose something under 10ms latency for (competitive) gaming.
I was dragging it around the house a lot in the last days, and felt no movements (luckily). Is it possible they made some minor changes with the 2nd batch? :0
The Zoom75 sound so clean ... like clacking billard balls. Keyboards are not supposed to sound like billard balls, but it's so satisfying. Anyway ... it's 2024 now, and I don't think any keyboard is worth the hassle of a group buy, unless it really hits the "feels" for you. If it's based on just specs and sound, then a lot of keyboards have similar specs, and most the quality ones can be modded to give the the sound that you want. That keyboard still looks reallll good though.
Haha, no, billiard ball sounds are perfectly fine - I mean who thought that the popular 'bubble wrap keyboard sounds' will be soooo soothing as well? :3 I totally agree - I'm happy that I could experience the GB process, but it's not something I would encourage to continue keeping up. As you also said, with the recent market change it's just simply not needed. At all. Too many good, in-stock keyboards out there. There's only one GB I'd be still joining, and it's the Nlandkeys Kyubi GB, they still don't have a huge capital, so I tend to understand why they went with the GB structure, so hopefully that will turn out to be OK as well. ^-^
Just found your channel! Thank you for your hard work. Do you have a recommendation for a low latency 100% hot swappable keyboard with a detachable USB-C wired connection?
Thank you so much for your comment! Sure, my favorite is the Leobog Hi75, and the SPR75, but you can check out the Keyboard Latency Test spreadsheet (linked in the Description box above), and choose anything under 10ms.
@@thoccnology Thanks for the reply. I did see your latency document and ended up buying the Ajazz AKC087 since it was 50% off on Amazon! I really wanted a full size with detachable usb-c, but its hard to find one that performs to my liking. Currently using my Z15 still from like 2 years ago lol
@@KannaRenFK Oh, 50% off is such a good price for that! Tbh beating the Z15's latency is not an easy thing to do, also it featured many things I didn't want to live without (like volume knob, hotswap, and full-size - that's why it became my very first mech keyboard ^-^ )
Hm, the Hi75 and the Zoom75 are quite different in price (almost 3-4x). There are many, many options between these two (Cidoo V75, Monsgeek M1 and M1W, etc.) If I could have only a Hi75 though, I'd be very happy with it. Pingy cases can be fixed with foams, I didn't experience ping from this board (with foams, it's zero). Also, the GB perios is closed for the Zoom75, only some extra items are available at some vendors.
@@thoccnology i got an info that some extras remaining in my country and some has in stock prob i gonna take this keebs if avail until next month haha
To be completely fair, the 10-30ms latency difference is not really visible (the human reaction time is somewhere around 150-250ms, e.g. when clicking with the mouse). What's bothering that all these factors add up and result in a worse overall latency (including latency of the PC elements and monitor, and human reaction time, etc.)
Hello :D i see you know alot of stuff of keyboards and you tested alot of keyboards :D i like your videos i saw your videos because i search for a new keyboard :D i have a Logitech g915 tkl like 1 year and my wasd keycaps are now Transparent... -.- i payed 180€... now for me looks akko 007b he nice :D its a 75 keyboard :D do you think its overall a good keyboard i am playing games like cs :D or do you think a wooting is better because of latency ? :D pls help :D
Oh, damn, I hate these overpriced popular brands :C That's exactly the reason why I started this channel as I didn't want to pay 180eur for a non-repairable thing. The Mod007B is on-par with the Wooting, a couple of ms difference, but in the long run it doesn't make a huge difference (unless you're in competitive e-sport :)) But I personally prefer alu keyboards, so I think I'd choose the MOD007B HE (sounds better to my ears)
Omg this is probably one of the best builds I’ve seen for this board. It sounds great and I love the keycaps and all your little 🐈 figures. I’ve heard about the issue with the stabilizers… I’m waiting for the zoom 65v2 to come and may just pick up extra stabs just in case. I love the color you choose too. 🥰
Thank you so much!
Great build video! I've thought about this board but at this point I'm too impatient for GB. I'm good with waiting 4 or 5 weeks like I did for my Neo but longer than that I might decided I want to spend the funds on something else. This keyboard looks and sounds amazing, great work and definitely worth the wait it seems!
I totally share your approach! I really hope this 4-5 weeks ETA will be the new standard soon. So many bad stories about unfulfilled GBs, it definitely shouldn't be the norm.
theres the Akuamarin edition on Meletrix right now!
The sound is soooooo soothing!!!! I loved it! But I prefer XDA keycaps.... I love your videos
Thank you so much! ^^
Great video! Can you talk more about the way you test latency for wireless? Maybe update your spreadsheet with details like how far you are from the receiver, whether there is anything between the receiver and the keyboard, etc. Wireless is fairly important to me so I'd love to know if the environment is going to be similar/better/worse than what I am going to be using at home. Thanks!
Hey, Thank you for your comment! The test setup is a fixed setup, the receiver is cca. 20cm from the keyboard - in each and every test. No obstacles in between.
These measurements are best to use as comparison between different keyboards.
Alu case keyboards tend to have worse wireless latency as the thicker the alu case, the weaker the signal is. In case of the Zoom75 they probably used such a frequency that was strongly eliminated by the thickness of the case. We re-tested it multiple times, and double-checked with many different keyboards, but only the Zoom75 had such an issue, so it was not caused by environmental interferences.
Love your reviews! Will you be reviewing the Rainy75, Leobog Hi8 or the Monsgeek M1 HE? Would love to watch your reviews on those.
Also wondering if HE keyboards are worth getting now or should I just remain using mechanical switches keyboard currently.
Thank you so much!
@@thoccnology I see. Looks like I will be picking up a Rainy75 before trying out HE boards. Thank you for sharing your experience! Will be looking forward to your upcoming videos.
Ohmagawd, someone who cares about wireless keyboards enough to test and compare latency. Thanks for that. I very much need a wireless keyboard and am finally fed up enough with the bluetooth on my keychron to get back out here and look for something with 2.4GHz wireless. I really want this keyboard now (despite the 2.4GHz seeming a little mediocre), but sounds like I missed the boat.
There are only very few Extras available at some vendors (some at CoffeeKeys, CannonKeys, etc.). But yeah, the inconsistent performance is so sad.
I feel your pain, Bluetooth is not usable in most cases, it's just a waste. :') Manufacturers should focus more on 2.4G.
it sounds amazing
At some point if you get your hands on a wooting board could you do a latency test on it using your standard setup? I see what their claimed numbers are but I'm interested in whether those are similar after your testing.
Absolutely yes!
From what I researched, Rtings performs almost identical tests (also with similar results - at least differences well within general measurement error) - so until I myself get my hands on a Wooting, I'd say you're safe to go with their values for comparison. :)
Sounds so poppy!
I love it, especially after removing the foams their unique sound comes alive.
i bought the exact same zoom75 as yours with the same switches, so why does yours sounds so much beterrr
like yours sound more high pitched,do you have any idea on how I can make my zoom clackier, more high pitched? like removing some foams or I don't know
Yes, exactly as you said - for the second half of the sound test I removed all the foams (I left only the bottom case foam in the keyboard). That will definitely make it sound more poppy, and high-pitched! :)
Curious what the latency is now after the dongle update? :o
Oh, was there an update? I tried to look for it on their DC, but couldn't find the info - could you please send me the link?
Hey, love your reviews! Just wondering, do you notice any big difference while gaming with the lower vs higher input lag boards?
Hii~~Thank you so much! ^-^
Using a high refresh rate monitor the differences are even more noticable - the worst BT results are even noticable during a simple typing session (even on a 60Hz screen).
Differences can't be really seen/felt/computed by human brain under cca.10ms, so that's why I always advise to choose something under 10ms latency for (competitive) gaming.
Thanks for the answer! @@thoccnology
Does the pcb still slide about inside the case in the N-S direction? I think it was a problem with the alignment points.
I was dragging it around the house a lot in the last days, and felt no movements (luckily). Is it possible they made some minor changes with the 2nd batch? :0
@@thoccnology maybe. but its still a bummer that it can only make one kind of sound and thats foamy. without foams its just pingy and tinny. 😮💨
The Zoom75 sound so clean ... like clacking billard balls. Keyboards are not supposed to sound like billard balls, but it's so satisfying. Anyway ... it's 2024 now, and I don't think any keyboard is worth the hassle of a group buy, unless it really hits the "feels" for you. If it's based on just specs and sound, then a lot of keyboards have similar specs, and most the quality ones can be modded to give the the sound that you want. That keyboard still looks reallll good though.
Haha, no, billiard ball sounds are perfectly fine - I mean who thought that the popular 'bubble wrap keyboard sounds' will be soooo soothing as well? :3
I totally agree - I'm happy that I could experience the GB process, but it's not something I would encourage to continue keeping up.
As you also said, with the recent market change it's just simply not needed. At all. Too many good, in-stock keyboards out there.
There's only one GB I'd be still joining, and it's the Nlandkeys Kyubi GB, they still don't have a huge capital, so I tend to understand why they went with the GB structure, so hopefully that will turn out to be OK as well. ^-^
They sell the zoom in stock now iirc
@@poppy69420 Oh, thank you, I checked and it really seems that they offer some colors from in-stock!
Just found your channel! Thank you for your hard work.
Do you have a recommendation for a low latency 100% hot swappable keyboard with a detachable USB-C wired connection?
Thank you so much for your comment!
Sure, my favorite is the Leobog Hi75, and the SPR75, but you can check out the Keyboard Latency Test spreadsheet (linked in the Description box above), and choose anything under 10ms.
@@thoccnology Thanks for the reply. I did see your latency document and ended up buying the Ajazz AKC087 since it was 50% off on Amazon! I really wanted a full size with detachable usb-c, but its hard to find one that performs to my liking. Currently using my Z15 still from like 2 years ago lol
@@KannaRenFK Oh, 50% off is such a good price for that! Tbh beating the Z15's latency is not an easy thing to do, also it featured many things I didn't want to live without (like volume knob, hotswap, and full-size - that's why it became my very first mech keyboard ^-^ )
hi, when you turn off your pc, does your keyboard turn off as well, mine doesn't turn off and I don't know how to turn it off
No, I have the same issue :') I hate that it doesn't have a dedicated switch on its back
Found the relevant shortcuts! Yayyy!!
FN + Caps Lock - Turns the keyboard on or off
the alu case is pingy? i wanna buy between leobog hi75 or zoom75, and i dont want yo change that i buy for long time :(
Hm, the Hi75 and the Zoom75 are quite different in price (almost 3-4x).
There are many, many options between these two (Cidoo V75, Monsgeek M1 and M1W, etc.)
If I could have only a Hi75 though, I'd be very happy with it.
Pingy cases can be fixed with foams, I didn't experience ping from this board (with foams, it's zero).
Also, the GB perios is closed for the Zoom75, only some extra items are available at some vendors.
@@thoccnology i got an info that some extras remaining in my country and some has in stock prob i gonna take this keebs if avail until next month haha
Were you able to resolve the 2.4GHz issues?
Unfortunately I found no workaround for this. I use it in wired mode.
when Leobog hi8 review lol I’m still deciding between monsgeek m1 or hi8
I've been itching to get the Hi8 for months! I hope they'll offer it on the international market soon!
@@thoccnology Bruh so that’s why I’m not seeing English reviews lol
@@ambasing69 Yeah, I'm super sad about it. :C
Really odd, i've used low latency keyboards for gaming before but my zoom75 is great in 2.4 ghz
To be completely fair, the 10-30ms latency difference is not really visible (the human reaction time is somewhere around 150-250ms, e.g. when clicking with the mouse).
What's bothering that all these factors add up and result in a worse overall latency (including latency of the PC elements and monitor, and human reaction time, etc.)
@@thoccnology Yup
Hello :D i see you know alot of stuff of keyboards and you tested alot of keyboards :D i like your videos i saw your videos because i search for a new keyboard :D i have a Logitech g915 tkl like 1 year and my wasd keycaps are now Transparent... -.- i payed 180€... now for me looks akko 007b he nice :D its a 75 keyboard :D do you think its overall a good keyboard i am playing games like cs :D or do you think a wooting is better because of latency ? :D pls help :D
Oh, damn, I hate these overpriced popular brands :C That's exactly the reason why I started this channel as I didn't want to pay 180eur for a non-repairable thing.
The Mod007B is on-par with the Wooting, a couple of ms difference, but in the long run it doesn't make a huge difference (unless you're in competitive e-sport :))
But I personally prefer alu keyboards, so I think I'd choose the MOD007B HE (sounds better to my ears)
so marbly!