Can a Tuned Ford F150 Tow Better Than a Stock Truck? Ike Gauntlet Review
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Check out this F150 on the drag strip with Max Power tune ruclips.net/video/6A0kCq0UoTQ/видео.html
I would absolutely love to see y'all review/test more tuner like this as well as other trucks lime ram/ford/dodge. Really enjoyed it!
While the mpgs are less, I bet the stress on the trans and engine is reduced. Choosing better gears, less shifting, less lugging the engine at high load and low rpm. Probably makes up for the different in mpg with less overall wear-and-tear.
Don't see any Dodge or Ram on their site...
They tend to be somewhat Ford biased
The stock ecoboost didn't seem to have any trouble holding 60. So the tuned uphill probably wasn't going to be a big difference. Since your benchmark is 60mph in the Ike, I wish you would have brought the trailer to the strip. It would be interesting to see the difference in times when pulling.
The power increase here isn’t showing in the time because once again we’re talking speed limited driving. Would be cool to see loaded quarter mile testing with 5 stars tune.
Jay P This truck is already class leading in towing power , hands down especially at altitude .... it is overpowered for towing stock ... my 17 3.5 is an animal pulls harder than all my diesel pickups exc my twin turbod 24V Cummins ,
John DiMartino well that’s what I’m saying is the truck is already the benchmark here and doesn’t struggle to keep speed so there is no time decrease with a tune. I had a 15 eco boost and that truck pulled great as well. These trucks respond great to tunes especially performance tunes for unloaded fun!
These guys failed to show how good a a tune really is... of course if you limit and stay at 60mph you will get the same time!
Jay P I agree. The ecoboost has so much power stock and these tunes can give it a extra 100 ft pounds. I think just a drag race against a stock truck would be interesting
I think the big takeaway here is the transmission programming. From 9 to 4 is a BIG deal. Brake applications that is.
It’s concerning that Nathen didn’t know they tuned F150’s .
Jason Larsen seemed more like he didn’t realize there were options on the market to just buy a plug and play type tune kit. Most of the time you have to go into a shop.
@@TGears314 For someone making his living as an automotive journalist he might want to poke his head out and look around. Only been tuners for 20 some years that don't require going to a shop.
Mr Truck is more of an idiot.... " it's got dual injection, v6 turbo, a crankshaft 4 wheels, and a TEN speed... let's see... yeehaw...".. what a Meathead
I knew there are tunes for eco boost and I know nothing.... Imagine it was my job to know. lol
I think Andre is the only one who actually knows anything about vehicles
I would like if on these challenges you would use these externally gauges to also measure Oil Temps, EGT temps, trans temps and coolant temps. If you tow a lot these are what you really worry about.
Not a fan of the ecoboost engine, but I gotta admit it is really impressive how much power they put out for a 6cyl
So here's a super late but practical answer for why you might opt for one over a V8.
I don't have experience with trucks on the ike and beyond up past Breck and Vail but I did with my old car. It was a turbocharged Ford focus ST rated 252hp-270ish tq. I drove it on this exact road several times. Raced with/played with a mustang GT 5.0 going up this pass and our cars were almost dead even in speed. At sea level, it would be bus lengths.
The air was so thin and the incline was so steep that in cruise control the turbo was making boost on my 2.0L Ecoboost which isn't normal at the bottom.
Seriously? Ole boy in back seat is that stupid? He said he couldn't believe they could tune a EcoBoost?
Jayce Vessier yes he is, that’s Nathan he’s kind of the village idiot around here. Always around to misinform, add in a useless comment, or state the obvious.
Drew w yea he’s pretty stupid
Sure can tell when couch trolls are out from under their fart filled couch cushions . U can hear them blowing ass gases from the OTHER end.
RIGHT!! LOLOLOLOLOL
FATTY DON'T CARE!!!!!!
I want a eco 5.0 Just saying Ford!!!
Da Faque you gonna do with an eco 5.0 in an f150? Slay everyone at a drag strip?
A twin turbo V8 would be badass.
Baby turbos on a 5.0 would probably be the most powerful and reliable truck ever made
So if you just downshift manually you can achieve the same results and save $500+. Unless you only tow in the Rockies, I don’t see that it’s worth it.
Just buy the tuner ya cheapskate...its not like your alive and eat everyday, do ghosts have cars still? that would explain some of the California drivers...they really do drive like they cant die
Pretty sure the stock tune/computer would force an upshift once it hits the red line or would keep you from downshifting into the red line in the first place, unlike the aftermarket tune they demonstrate here. At least that's how all auto transmissions I've driven in the past decade or so have worked (won't let you red line it at all or for long while shifting manually).
sugonmaballs no. The stock tune doesn’t get anywhere redline and won’t let you get close to it. Typical shifts are like 700 rpm short of redline. Keeping a gas engine near redline isn’t going to hurt it so long it stays cool. 5 Star still keeps all the nannies in tact. The clip you are referring to is still below the actual redline of the engine. You can’t always go by the tac. I mean look at the 5.0 f150 and see how far those engines can rev before redline. It’s beyond what the tac reads.
my 2006 Outback XT auto wont shift unless I want it to, when in manual mode. Itll bounce off rev limiter if I wanted it to.
The only improvement was on the downhill run
I have bought tunes from 5StarTuning for my 2010 F250, had some questions and tried giving customer service a call with some attitude given from an employee, told me he would call me back and never did. A couple days go by I give them a call back and just made them aware of my interaction with that specific employee. Not only were they receptive but very apologetic, had a different technician help me with issue and then followed up with an email and apologetic gift certificate for future purchases. Gotta say I’m stolked with how 5StarTuning handled this situation and definitely will be purchasing items from them in the future. The tunes are top notch! Thanks 5StarTuning!!!!
Good review! Great to see the difference between tuned and stock. I’m going to save my $ and buy fuel instead.
on 3 turbo and go in peace.
I had an SCT tune on my ‘05 3L v6 Escape. Night/day difference. Worth every penny. However my new F150 is still under full warranty and dealer said it will void the power train portion of the Ford warranty.. Will purchase as soon as warranty exhausted.
The 2017 10 speed you can run tow haul mode use the plus minus button on the gear shift and take away gears and set it to be a 8-speed and let the truck work usually in the Hills mine works 6 and 8 gear uphill and usually 5 th and 7th on the way down. and sometimes I just use manual.
Computer knows when your towing because you plugged in the trailer lights..the info screen will even tell you so. And I can't believe that 7 years in the EcoBoost game that someone didn't know you could tune them?
I added a 5 Star tuner to my 08 F250 V10. It really woke up the truck with much improved throttle response and transmission shifting. Money well spent for my towing needs.
Pretty good .... I think people are missing the point of how Ford mapped its truck’s computer & 5-Star’s tune to it.
Ford did a great job & the only room for modest improvement was engine braking, tune dropped the gears & didn’t let engine/ transmission overheat. Good Job
Most people would get a tune for play vs work modes. Sacrifice mpg for more power
Do the 100 mile MPG Loop!
You guys do a good job. But I'd like to see a bit more. For example, when I tow horse trailers braking performance, safe lane change ability, and front end steering feel are really important. Talk about those things too. And one critical towing metric you guys don't talk about is exhaust temps. That is super important for towing heavy loads up hill with turbo charged engines. Thanks guys!
Would you guys please show the dash as you get up to speed, that’s one of the best parts of the Ike. And that would help us compare the videos
Thanks for doing this video. Was interesting to see how it compared to the stock tune.
"HIT THE BRAKES" then Andre got in trouble for yelling at Kent by Nathan. lol (@6:22)
The absolute best tuning company hands down, 5 Star tuning. Been running them for years on several trucks. I've also tried pretty much all the different companies and 5 Star is by far my favorite. Excellent customer service also.
cheeznhard have you tried oz yet? I really like the whatever fuel I wanna use option. 5 star had some rough shifts on my 5.0.
@@mooch6666
I own ecoboost trucks, oz only tunes for 5.0's. Honestly the whole variable octane is a little bit gimmicky to me considering the truck's computer does that from the factory, also you will never get the power you can get fom a full-on dedicated octane tune.
With that being said I have a couple of really good friends that have ran Oz on their 5.0's which I have driven quite a bit, they liked them, seemed good to me too. I still prefer 5 star though, I have a lot of friends with 5.0's running 5 star
Have you reached out to 5 star at all with your concerns? Sent a datalog to them to review?
If not I'd definitely start there, I've never known anyone it had an issue or something they didn't like that five star was not able to change and dial in for them
cheeznhard you are correct about the 5.0 only with oz. I did not reach out to 5 star. Once I installed the oz tuned I was sold lol. I have nothing against 5 star since I didn’t give them a solid chance haha
@@mooch6666 as I mentioned, I didn't think the omega was bad at all, it's definitely more of a off the shelf tune though.
If 5 star wasn't an option I'd probably go that route with a 5.0
“Would you get tune?” “Normally I would say no...^ but bc they are sponsoring us, yes I would.”
Exactly!!
I have been told, since I was a new driver, let the engine do the braking. I started off in a manual transmission and would let the engine scream, within limits, to slow the vehicle down when going downhill. I have never understood why it is better to put that extreme stress on the engine, as done here, just to keep from pushing the brake pedal a few times. Brake pads are cheap and easy to replace. I can't imagine what it would cost to do repairs or replace the engine in this truck. Is my logic unsound? I would love to understand better what I have been told for years.
I suppose if you are using your brakes the whole way down and they are hot it would be much harder to stop in a true emergency compared to engine braking and using the brakes on the same emergency stop. Aside from that brakes also warp. Not that the rotors cant be replaced...
Because the engine is not burning any fuel or under any significant load while engine braking. It is just being an air pump which is not very hard on the engine. Brakes can overheat on long downgrades and then you can get into trouble. Use the engine to provide as much as it can and apply the brakes when you get above your safe mph. When slow enough you release the brakes so they can cool off. All while the engine is doing its braking function
Both @Jason Harrison and @Motomadman are correct. It doesn't cause much harm to an engine to engine brake a vehicle down a hill. What does cause harm is when your brakes overheat and fail and you drive off the cliff. Normal braking systems will only give full braking power a couple times before they lose performance (until they're allowed to cool). Brake pads might be cheap, but an out-of-control vehicle with burned out brakes hurtling down the side of a mountain will ruin anyone's day.
I don't think the dual injection does anything for performance. It's there to reduce carbon build up on the intake valves, what direct injection cannot do. I think that's the only benefit. Could be wrong though.
You are not wrong. Quite frankly I am amazed how the vast majority of the auto industry screwed up on initial gas direct injected engines and did not add the extra injectors in the "traditional" location from the start. They either were too incompetent to figure it out during the R&D process or decided to hose the consumer to save the money on extra injectors. I don't know which is worse.
It actually does both. A couple of years from now, Ford will uprate the HP and TRQ without any hardware changes. Read up on the 2017 Ford GT with same motor and fuel system, but using larger turbos etc.
Anyone saying tunes are bad for your truck is full of it. Probably never even used a programmer. Practically all my friends and myself have a tuned truck. No issues have arisen due to the tune and many people don't realize you need a tune to delete the emission on a diesel truck. And those emissions are terrible for the truck so tuning it makes a world of difference. I have a f150 and have the 5 star tunes. The economy tune has made my f150 with a 6inch lift and 35" tires get up to 17 on the highway. No tune I get 10 OR 11. These tunes also help me tow my gooseneck and adjust for larger tires. The only way these tunes will ruin in your engine is if you run a really high horsepower tune and beat on your truck all the time.
Colton Dieringer I think you kind of hit the nail on the head there. The reason tuners tend to get a bad name is because so many people who use them hot rod their vehicles around which obviously will break them more often. I’m speaking in generalities of course.
First of all a turbo vehicle responds better to a tune. I guarantee you that if they had held it to the mat it would have been a drastic difference. I have a 17 3.5 EcoBoost 4x4 supercrew and back when all I had was a tune, it would bust the tires loose in second gear makes a huge difference. Now I have built the motor aftermarket turbos intercooler and meth injection. Makes close to 600rwhp lifted with 20x12s. Surprises every Corvette owner I come across. Anyway for those who don't think a tune is worth it drive one and you'll change your mind. I guarantee that.
I -70 and the Ike tunnel are near Loveland pass but not on Loveland pass. It might be fun to try the Loveland pass with some of these trucks.
So, better MPG stock, same time going up with stock but better downhill (with the engine screaming). Of course, more power overall with tuning...but more hassles from Ford/dealers while under warranty if they know you're 'tuned' and you have a warranty claim. I know that technically Ford shouldn't give you any trouble, but just read the discussion forums for the Ecoboost F150 and you'll see that many people do have dealer issues when tuned under warranty. I think I'll keep mine out of warranty F150 stock since it runs great as is (and I can't really take off any quicker anyway since it's already difficult to keep the wheels from spinning when you stomp the pedal). Best use for the tuner would be to disable the auto start/stop 'feature' ;-)
Hooked on Photography going to burn more fuel to make power... this was not a good example the fuel economy to be gained from tuning. I picked up 1mpg with Black Bear performance tunes in my Silverado, and they were able to turn off 4cyl mode. Also with the ability to flash the stock tunes back on, the dealers can’t tell it’s been tuned. But in my opinion the best thing the timers can do is improve the drive ability and transmission tuning.
Friendly Ford in Michigan gave me a written statement which states "Tunes are acceptable as long as it is returned to stock when being serviced" Just about everything can be changed except for most internals and turbos. Everything else is greenlit.
blackericdenice You’re pretty ignorant. who said I had a 5.3L? And who said I race it?
It's likely that most of the people in the forums having major engine problems are having trouble because of how they treat their truck....not necessarily/completely because of a tune...but how they drive once they have the tune.
@@ThePhotographyHobbyist Like complete jackasses, gunning it everytime and now properly maintaining? Who is going to admit to that when they screw it up?? 😑😂
So this is a great video as to why spending money on aftermarket tunes then running the truck like stock is a waste of resources.
Thanks TFLTruck!!
So, I guess the take away here is if your just towing, leave your Ecoboost stock... because the mpg and economy actually dropped...If u want to hotrod your truck, and improve your quarter mile times, tune it up!!!
I originally had three 5 star 91 octane race, towing, and economy tunes. I did not notice a difference from stock tune. I got an SSI tune, and it felt like adding a supercharger to the motor. I had it dyno tested at 383 rwhp and 571 rwtrq.
0 to 60 in 4.4 seconds. That's the difference. 5 star was Walmart, SSI was Ferrari. Been 38k miles on SSI tune now, not a single problem.
I'm happy with my truck being stock..I hauled a 32 ft..10,500 lbs gross weight not including things inside...came from the mountains down south to tx...air lift and stabilizer bars on ...ddnt have an issue just a broken manifold stud when truck cooled off when I got back home...ford did good on my book...9.4 mpg shitty but o well...just need to upgrade gas tank to 36
I’m always quick to admit when I don’t know something, and eager to learn. I don’t have the same experience with trucks and towing as most who are probably watching this video, but it seems to me like the tune wasn’t worth it, especially when going up hill. It was less efficient overall and the time difference was negligible.
But it’s the downhill test I’m curious to understand. Are less brake applications ideal because the brakes wear out significantly faster when towing down grade? 1/2 the number of applications certainly sounds good, if you’re looking at a couple hundred brake applications per pad/rotor under this kind of load. But if it’s just to optimize the transmission doing engine braking instead of conventional brakes then I don’t quite understand the need for the tune once again.
More power going up didn’t seem to help with time either, I was expecting maybe the 0-60mi time would be decreased enough to shave a bit of time off the uphill. Either way, I’m hoping to understand this better so I can get a better idea of the purpose of this type of tune and test.
Just my opinion on the braking - Its a made up statistic. Unless one would do this as a matter of habit because of a business, hobby, etc it really doesn't matter. The trucks can be manually downshifted to achieve the same thing the reprogramming did with the auto programming. That still doesn't really mean much either. None of the trucks brakes failed and trailers (of any significant weight capacity) have brakes as well. Its more a matter of convenience. They still stick to the speed limit, so the time is really moot as to a real show of performance. More power, generally, means burning more fuel. You can get tunes that increase mpg, power, shift points, etc. It really depends what you are after as far as performance. There are always tradeoffs.
That's sortof what I gathered. I just finished up 8 days with the 2019 F-150 Platinum, unfortunately I don't have the opportunities to haul trailers or load, so a video like this is certainly an interesting take for me.
@@mctigmctiggy1475 wrong! Read the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act please, before making ignorant statements.
When headed downhill with a heavy load, it's ideal to let the engine brake (hold back) the vehicle. This way, if/when you do need to stop, you have cool brakes and have a better chance of stopping on a hill. If you have to use your brakes constantly downhill, they will build up a lot of heat and eventually fail. If you do need to stop, you won't be able to. I do agree with @ The Real John Smith in that the trucks can be downshifted. TFL agrees and has said before (IIRC) that's how they normally would drive, but they're testing the truck's ability to downshift automatically when needed.
5 star offers an extended warranty.... If someone is scared.
Thought I was watching Off The Ranch for sec there...
Black Bear Performance data logged tunes, has been the best thing I’ve done to my 2012 Silverado. Drives so much better, shifts better, and they turned off 4cyl mode. Truck gets better fuel economy and just drives much better. Plus free retunes for life for any future modifications you make.
They point out about how crazy the grade is. I Drove that tunnel for 5 year straight. everyday. not that bad homie. Do that shit in a Blizzard and hit me up when you need a ride off the mountain.
I support this evolution TFL
fantastic stuff and getting into the aftermarket world is a game changer. I hope this brings you all great things.
This test while interesting is probably not the best. If you want a truly interesting testing comparison try a ram 1500 ecodiesel with stock tuning vs aftermarket tuning. Its a night and day difference.
Good job guys keep making these kind of videos this is what everyone wants.
This video is pretty pointless. The stock truck maintains 60 and the tuned truck maintains 60. How exactly does that prove which one is better at towing??? The fact the this "auto journalist" didn't know ecoboost engines were tunable was the first hint this would be a useless 13 minutes
I am a big fan of the tuning on european small diesels and on some turbo direct injection gasolines, but having seen this video I would stick with the stock tune, it just seemed to me better in every way, fuel consumption, general operation of the trans and engine, etc... Also it does not seem healthy to see you applying engine brake to the redline to slow the wieght of the truck with a ~five ton trailer attached to it...
5 star tuning is great , just remember that tuning a 2017 truck may void your powertrain warranty !! This is a very important consideration . It is what’s keeping mine bone stock , the couple hundred bucks is nothing, I have the identical truck to your test truck just in Ruby Red , love it , honestly the towing power is more than enough for. Half ton truck it outpulls my 04 Duramax LB7 all day long bone stock
I recommend getting 5 Stars tuning 100000 mile warranty if you're concerned about warranty issues. Even though my personal trucks have had zero issues after being tuned by five star for over a 10400 miles.
^^^this
Line that truck up next to a stock 2017 3.5 with the same trailer and get 1/4mile times and 0-60s
That will be a cool test, going uphill at a set speed is pretty dumb
"all the way up to redline" sent a chill. curious to see how long the motor could last under those conditions
I've got a 14 EcoBoost f150, tuned since new. Tow an 8000lb travel trailer in the mountains every long weekend. Knock on wood... Have had no issues in 6 years. Wouldn't go back to stock after being tuned. Night and day difference both towing and not.
@@bbond302 meaning it couldn’t load the stock tune or just just prefer the 5star tune ?
Waste of money for towing, didn't do as well tuned going uphill as stock, and that's what you look for in a towing tune, is an improvement in the uphill running.
Brake pads are much cheaper than transmission repairs.... just saying it won’t hurt to set up the trailer brakes properly and tap your brake pedal occasionally, that’s why they are there.
You guys tfltruck should partner with 5 star tuning and do it on all half tons it would be interesting to see how each truck does and they compare to one another as well as stock vs tuned....Great video guys
Pointless in a away because the truck isn’t lacking power in this tow test stock. But nice to see!
5:20 I wish you guys would have let us see the temperature nothing was climbing extremely fast. How hot did it get??
I was waiting for the Piston to shoot out
it's not going to happen unless it has a lack of lubrication.
I'd like to see the mpg tune tested.
5:38 Nathan are you serious you didn’t know they tune the ecoboost? If so quit the show. If they tune NA motors why wouldn’t they tune turbocharged motors? (Rhetorical question)
he is eluding to the fact the Ecoboost is already putting out a lot of power
He was probably surprised at the horse power gain. It has an electronically controlled waste gate and the tune make the turbo push more psi. Stock turbo longevity will go down though
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What y’all need to do is go to a track and run a 1/4 mile with and without a tune loaded and unloaded to really show the power difference.
Umm, they did.
James Beaman umm no... they did not do a loaded run.
OK, so I guess I conveniently overlooked the important word "loaded". Actually, I agree that they should do more accelerations tests while towing a standard load for all the trucks they test.
James Beaman I’ve been asking them for a while to do braking tests unloaded, loaded in the bed and a loaded trailer. Other channels have done this in the past and it really shows what the trucks are capable of. Being able to stop is pretty important.
Understood, Trey. In TFL's defense, in order to do those loaded braking and acceleration tests safely and accurately, they would need a minimum of 1/2 mile of straight, level, smooth road closed to other traffic. Knowing them, I'm sure they have considered it and looked but it's probably pretty hard to find. Care to comment, TFL?
To me it doesn't seem worth the $600 for half the brake applications but that's my point of view
I good indicator of how well the tune works is if the rpms and gearing are higher while towing at the same constant speed. The engine should be not working as hard if those two things happen.
I wish you could go as fast up the Eisenhower pass as the truck could go under load and see what every manufacturer could do. That would fun. Who would win that one would be interesting.
Some of the trucks they've tested over the years have been at wide open throttle and couldn't maintain the speed limit.
This is a really cool test. Thanks guys
I own a 2012 Ram 1500 392 Hemi,.can it be tuned to have a lower an stronger mode for pulling a 24 ft trailer in tow mode
Tow tunes allow the transmission to hold....so if you need to pass someone the truck doesn't lag for 3 seconds and struggle or come off the on ramp and merg at 70mph your truck can instead of slamming breaks or creeping and coming on a 70mph road at 50mph and almost getting rear ended.....5star is the best all around company tow speed and fuel economy tunes and the fact they cover up Ford gm and ram and they will but it's rare tune a Nissan also.
Isn't it cheaper to replace brakes than to replace an engine?
I have a 2016 2.7tt with a 5startune using SCT and my 87 performance tows my 9klbs camper and gets better performance/mpg than with my 91 tow tune. I have 10 tunes and find the 87 high altitude tune is the best. But it takes a good 100 miles to learn properly. That is my personal experience. I average 24mpg here in the rockies on 87 and 21 with 91octane. Towing i average 8mpg on 87 and 5mpg on 91.
What octane did you use?
So what happens when the engine mysteriously blows up after changing the stock programming? What sort of guarantees and warranty protections do they provide?
That's your problem, you gotta pay if you wanna play.
Collin it won’t. These guys have been tuning for years and would not put your engine/ transmission in danger. How long your engine lives is more up to maintenance and how you drive it.
@@chevyon37s All the more reason for them to offer some sort of warranty considering it drastically effects how components costing tens of thousands of dollars operates. Spending $60k on a truck to put it in jeopardy by a company that doesn't stand behind what they do should be pretty scary
@@supadoopa926 It is your problem just which is why you shouldn't do it to get a 3% performance increase to potentially cause $20k of damage to your new truck
Collin because a Company isn’t going to warranty engines/ parts/ trucks that they don’t manufacture, simple as that. Along with a tuner can’t/ won’t warranty a truck/ engine that you can install a tune on at any mileage, and any amount of engine wear. so you could have a guy put a tune with his engine that is junk and on the way out, then blame the tuner after he tunes it and the guy blows it up simply because it was already hurt and would have blown anyways. If people were having problems with tunes you’d be hearing about it on RUclips and on forums. Plus if you have an issue you revert to stock tunes and take it to the dealer and they take care of it. But if you’re not comfortable with it, don’t do it. All my vehicles have had tunes, one of my trucks supercharged and never blown one up, along with numerous of my friends and family tuning their vehicles as well and not one problem. It just isn’t a problem.
What are the quoted horsepower and torque #s from SCT/ 5 Star?
Can they program the tune so that you can switch between modes with the tow/ haul switch on the shift lever?
Assuming no change in driving habit, would this cause any kind of accelerated wear to the drivetrain?
This video shows that in order to compare fuel economy while towing, the truck needs to do the same amount of work compared to the comparison truck. If a truck tows the ike in 10 minutes it has done much less work than the truck that did it in 8 minutes. EcoBoost towing at the time of the slower truck would be a great test of efficiency guys!
Sorry if I missed it was this with 87 octane? Great video guys, I just ought an18 with 5.0
Zack schmidt good question, but I’d bet this was a 91-93 tune if I had to guess especially with a turbo engine... 91-93octane would let the tuner crank up the timing without detonation.
Should have done loaded 0-60 test or 1/4 mile test & maybe the 100 mile loop fuel test...
Adaptive transmissions are one thing thats not changed for 17-18 years... In the early days they were for the premium German and marquee brands. The set the benchmark for a great driving experience or somebody saying its a dog.
This was a great video guys and I'm loving TFL more than ever with everything you're doing on your channels.
iVlogBuzz I think people give far too much credit to the “learning” /adaptive transmissions. With a tune the changes made go much farther than what the transmission could ever learn to do on its own. They really only adjust for the smoothness of the shift, not power and drive ability. They still shift at inappropriate times, hunt for gears, and don’t hold a gear/ engine brake without a tune.
I have an SCT x4 tuner for my F-250 SD, mainly to turn off the EGR (it isn’t installed and default looks for it). Can change it for towing/power or fuel economy/comfort when not towing.
I always knew Nathan was a good guy. Go Stillers!
I think this is same with any 2017 and up F150, but my 2018 Raptor Super Cab can do maxed towing long downhill runs without me touching the brakes and maintaining its speed. That is, if I am using cruise control. It puts the brakes on via a programmed routine all by it self. Then again, my Raptor is not rated for as much payload or combined load as the one you tested. In the real world, I think most trailering drivers would opt for the cruise on that road down hill as a means to control speed. Since you did not gain any real performance other than your 0 to 60 time and since you lost some efficiency; I vote for no modification to the stock tune.
Nice to finally see a video from yall sponsored by and auto part company
How about trying base work trucks like with the 3.3l for us cheap average drivers?
This is test to prove a tune is a great help over stock. Run a down \ up with stock 93 octane. This is what a typical tower would do at high altitude. Now make a run down \ with a tank 87 and a 87 5 Star tune . This would show power and money savings with a tune.
I might be daft but its slower and does worse mpg. What is the point of it exactly then? Can someone please explain? I dont know anything about towing w trucks, but to me it looked like complete nonsense
It is complete nonsense.
1. Stop penalizing the trucks that can go faster than 60.
2. Please find a trailer that takes as much aerodynamics out as possible. A 10 mph wind is a big difference.
Otherwise, LOVE THE CHANNEL.
Thought they changed the grill for the 2017 model year
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do this with a diesel if you want to see a difference. the diesels get over 100 ft lbs torque increase so it'll be something you can definitely feel and see.
I'd get a tune-up for sure. Wow.
235 water temp doesn't seem too good
surprised the tuned didnt run a little lower rpm going up
It may or may not have after the "adaptive learning" would have had more time to learn. Usually takes several hundred miles if not a thousand or more. Either way in the earlier stages of the learning process it is not uncommon for the transmission to run higher RPMs.
Just so everyone else is clear. The self learning they are taking about is part of the stock truck and it refers to the way Ford designed their transmission to learn driving styles. The previous 6R80 did it too.
Should do the 1500 and 2500hd sierra. Also comparing the Diesels. In both the 2500's and the 1500's!
@ 6:36 your motor was in redline! What part of that is safe for the motor? Last time i checked, redline was the motors maximum speed rating, why the hell would i get a tunner to throw it in there??
So I know SCT performance has ran this truck on the dyno what are the numbers in stock form and with the heavy tow tune?
Hey guys did you do a video of the 2015 or 2016 ford f150 3.5 stock and tuned? I cant afford a 2017 or newer truck this information would be helpfu. Thanks for your videos they are great keep them coming
Tunes on turbo cars especially stock turbos, mostly increase torque, so off the line you'll see a difference at highway speeds not so much
Let’s see Stock Vs. these tunes on a dyno.
Drew w they did that in their last video with 5star I believe. Regardless, it’s quite known they add performance especially in a forced induction vehicle.
SteveLord nope. They only did 1/4mi and 0-60 runs. No dyno results. Although the 1/4mi run did show a full second faster.
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Does any of this effect the warranties??
thing needs an extra trans cooler running 222 degrees. little out of my comfort zone with them temps
Is it just me. Or did it look like the tuning company dropped down that front splitter to gain highway mpg?
Another solid video! Glad you guys are expanding your videos to include tuning!
Now do a tuned diesel!
TFL Your enthusiasm for everything Ford is commendable, yet annoying.
Can you please do Ikes Gauntlet with the new Silverado and the new Ram 5.7 Hemi (with e-torque please!)
With a tune itll do fine as long as the cooling system can handle it.
Now do this with the Ranger
If I had a dollar for every time they mention the damn attitude!!!
what size tires you run front and back?
Any ETA for a 2019 RAM/ Chevy 1500 Ike gauntlet?
They only review Ford F150’s........