UK immigration debate with Reform's Richard Tice and Professor Jonathan Portes | The Daily T Podcast
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- For this special episode of The Daily T, Kamal and Camilla do a deep dive into one of the thorniest issues in politics: immigration.
How much is too much? Are immigrants the reason our NHS is barely able to cope and there aren't enough houses?
Or are they a scapegoat for other problems? Are immigrants necessary for economic growth and give more to British culture than they take?
To answer all these questions and more, Kamal and Camilla are joined by Reform UK's chairman Richard Tice and by Jonathan Portes, professor of economics and public policy at the School of Politics & Economics of King's College, London and a senior fellow at UK in a Changing Europe.
They also unveil some exclusive Savanta polling on public views about immigration, plus share some readers' letters on the issue.
#politics #news #election
Read and listen to more here: www.telegraph....
Ivory tower lecturer obviously does not live in Bradford.
Quite Right - he lives in Cuckoo-Cuckoo Land where all the elites live.
or p'boro
Exactly He doesnt live in the East end neither
Or Blackburn, Burnley or Bolton.
Mate I'm listening to this guy say "if we have less immigrants we'll need more taxes or less funding for public services" ... no sh*t! They're the ones blocking up all the services in the first place! People literally go to the uk "for the NHS" what a tosser!
In the years 1995-2019, the total cost of immigration amounted to over €400 billion in the Netherlands. God knows what the corresponding figures are for the UK. 🤔
Yes the professor is deluded.
Which study was that?
I'd like to have a look at the Professors bank account, someone is paying him to spout BS..
The usual suspects, no doubt
I'm favoured, $22K every week! I can now give back to the locals in my community and also support God's work and the church. God bless America.❤❤❤
....and what is that supposed to Mean???
Professor is out of order
Economics in the real world and business or from a closed institution of education and books…
Worlds apart.
Is the professor in coo coo land …… not enough homes…
That one reason alone tells me is is talking rubbish
I’m voting reform
He needs sacking clearly he knows nothing
But hang on, the tax payer is paying for hundreds/thousands of ILLEGAL immigrants staying in hotels and barges around the country. How is this a benefit to our economy?? Balls to the first guy. Vote Reform🇬🇧
Indeed, he's utterly smarmy and wrong.
Ikr
Very nice point 😂 what a bunch of Muppets ay. Vote refrom 🎉🎉🎉
29,000 a year. Not a lot for the 5th largest economy on the planet to handle.
Because the cost isn't economically significant compared to severe labour shortages.
This clueless wants to open the floodgates so we can become a Muslim state
Tice is very clear in exposing the problem of excess immigration.
Richard Tice is the only person that got any sense and respect for the every day person
We can say he's not a man of the people because he's part of the top 0.01% in wealth.
@@AethelwulfOfNordHymbraLand2333 That's not how it works
And he is a millionaire who campaigned for hard Brexit (look where that got). Of course he "cares" about the general public and their interests...
but most of his points weren't true ?
I agree. I also thought he could have pulled up Jonathan on the "velocity of immigration", which is by far the overwhelming negative factor.
Well done Richard
VOTE REFORM UK
👉ask the seaside towns about (illegal) immigration now and see what they have to say on this issue
Their problem is that people holiday abroad these days, because EU membership made most Britons wealthier.
Blackpool for starters
Only one winner here, well done Richard. Vote Reform and get our country back.
Is it so hard? Revenue exceeds use of services. Why? The people coming in are young, healthy, and economically active.
That professor is the reason why this country is in the state it is. VOTE REFORM UK.
Thatcher tried to stop Marxist ideologies from taking over our educational system but she left before it could be dealt with. Now we have liberal cultural marxists in leadership in our universities and schools who are indoctrinating the next generation aswell.
He does nuance. Horrible.
Education is UK's biggest draw for temporary legal migration, of course professors support migration because it benefits them. Callous champagne socialists who don't care about the effect on indigenous working class wages and access to services.
Smug, patronising, not living in the real world. Guess who I am talking about.
the silly billy prof. - right?
The three that aren't Richard Tice.
@@MrWrath777why is the prof silly?
@@stephenhill545 Because he peddles the WEF Nonsense such as multiculturalism and tries to justify it with selected economic stats - not the Truth.
nigel farage
What a load of cobblers from this economist, try telling people that all those illegal immigrants put up in hotels that the tax payer is paying to keep at 8 million a day , how is that benefitting our economy and as for foreign students, they don't improve of economy.
Richard Tice vs 2 smug technocrats who know better than all of us
None of these arguments stack up. As an example do we have an increasingly better and more affordable higher education subsidised by foreign students?
@@robinbreeds9217Nobody listens to them because of your prejudices.
Knows absolutley nothing about immigration because he dont live in the mess Like me and other people do
@@ElizabethPalmer-sc7xp - what is the mess?
If only
Maggie would be turning in her grave knowing that 20x the amount of migration EVERY YEAR than in her time.
She wouldn't have been stupid enough to do Brexit though.
No she would of stop them halfway she wouldn't bring there here
ALL FARMERS VOTE REFORM ALL FOOTBALL FANS TO ALL JEWS TO ALL CHRISTIANS TO ALL BRITISH PEOPLE IT OUR DUTY TO SAVE OUR COUNTRY REFORM
ALL FARMERS VOTE REFORM ALL FOOTBALL FANS TO ALL JEWS TO ALL CHRISTIANS TO ALL BRITISH PEOPLE IT OUR DUTY TO SAVE OUR COUNTRY REFORM
If Margaret Thatcher had stayed in power, all this would never have happened, because Blair would never have been elected.
This Professor is talking a load of crap.
Read the LSE study on the effect of EU free movement on the UK economy. It's very educational.
I love these idiots making fools of themselves when the truth is plain to see. Vote Reform and get our country back before it’s too late
Idiots? What's your doctorate in?
We voted brexit...how is that going?
Can i ask who we are getting the country back from?
@@timothyodeyale6565 Back from the governments who have allowed our country to be over populated, resulting in a crisis in the NHS, schools and infrastructure, and back from goverments allowing illegal economic migrants to live in hotels at the tax payers expense and freely wander our streets when they are unchecked, having ''no passport or ID''
@timothyodeyale6565 the millions of people who have come in over the last 3 decades
What planet does that Professor live on? He talks absolute nonsense.
Need to back it up a bit
That’s what I thought within the first 30 seconds of him talking.
Because he's part of the lefts nonsense
planet academia
Go and live in Boston.
We have 9 million people of working age not working. The NHS formed in 1948 has ten times more staff today in 2024. Much of the increase taken up by foreign staff. Before mass immigration the UK was the most successful country in the world. Richard is right.
When did mass immigration start?
Vote Reform and let’s save our children’s future.
These two would love to see the UK become less British through mass immigration if it means more economic units. They couldn't care less about preserving British culture as they demonstrated clearly in their self-congratulatory postamble. Vote Reform 🇬🇧
There are two separate issues in this: - the erasure, or swamping, or dilution of Britishness, of the concept of - "the British as a people" - by mass foreign invasion. Swamped by people who are totally alien to our traditions - by people who hold no affection for the actualities of our history, heritage, or hinterlands. Of our 1000 years of development as a people.
And the second aspect is the threat of Islamic takeover. Something simply ignored here. The issue that we are all supposed to bury our heads in the sand over, the metastasis of fascistic Islamism within our country.
The Telegraph is utter pish. These ostrich types will bring this country to the point of civil war. Have no doubt. It's a tragedy.
100 per cent
Political Islam has annihilated every culture it has entered by invasion or immigration. It may take time, but once Islam is ascendant, the host culture becomes extinct. We must learn the doctrine of political Islam, the self-declared declared enemy of ALL unbelievers. Invasion not migration.
Rather be poor with people speak same language and same values as me than total stranger in my own county
Well Said
That is what Nigel forage said
ive felt a stranger for yrs in my East end Its so sad Looks like a 3rd world country here Absolute disgrace what the goverment have done And we have to live with it They dont
The professor is either a stone-cold lair or doesn’t live in a real world.
Both.
He actually knows what he's talking about. There have been impact studies done.
@@stephenhill545please produce them
A third rate "prof" who has managed to wriggle his way into a propaganda position in a supposedly top rated university. If this is the sad level academic expertise has fallen to, paid from the public purse, time to go back to the future, close universities and expand the Science/Technology Centres of resaerch & excellence where the nation's real wealth is created.
We have poor GDP performance because of mass low skilled low educated immigration that are taking and not adding
The UK is an advanced economy with a pretty good education system so higher qualified roles are largely filled by British workers. The gaps in the labour market are in hard but low paid jobs such as farming and social care.
@@Skygrey2943 However all the legal migration is competing with our higher qualified people, which is why Reform's plan to raise NI on foreign workers is a good idea. Anything that encourages the employment of our own first. There's too many young people with proper degrees who can't get a job in their field or are working in jobs that don't need the degree they worked so hard for.
Well shouldn't farming and social care be made a priority as these are 2 key areas that are essential along with education, health care, justice.... and the list goes on...
Tell that to the hospitality industry.
The man in pink has spouted nonsense.
Vote Reform UK
Yes enough of sitting at home on benefits, it's time to get to work and work hard because there will be budget cuts and private institutions instead of public ones so be ready.All best
@@ChristianoRodríguez-h3kwe would all rather that, in the end, than keep falling down a black hell hole.❤ 💪👍👌❤️
@@ChristianoRodríguez-h3kthey can’t be paid on wages that keep them in poverty. They need to be paid more to be able to live. Not all are lazy
@@ChristianoRodríguez-h3kMuslim Ko Saram de kar Apni pidhiyo ko khud khanjar peda kiya kafiro ne satta ke liye Desh Se gaddari 😅😅😅😅😊❤❤❤
The vast majority of immigrants come to UK for the benefits and they certainly do not integrate, multiculturalism doesn't work and these people and their families become dependent and all of a sudden every thing to do with health and wealth becomes overburden and people become poorer.
When your society is so awful why would they want to assimilate?
exactly
Right!??? Its almost like theyre going around the world and colonizing it and claiming it for themselves, pushing their culture into other peoples' lives and claiming all the wealth for their own communities! The british have never done anything like that!
Blah blah blah sick of hearing this rubbish about immigration we all know the truth ,Richard is right .. vote Reform 💙
It’s not a dog whistle, it’s just true
😂😂😂 lmao 🤣. Proves a point there terrified of Dogs Because Animals have better senses than Humans have!!
Reform uk all the way
One thing for sure is, he isnt talking for most people. VOTE REFORM ❤
Good discussion but professor is cleverly selective with his data and has scant regard for the social problems with mass immigration. Narrow technocratic outlook unfortunately
These plebs sing from the same BS hymn sheet. How many decades have we been spun the same old line about needing immigrants for the NHS and care sector. At no time ever has immigrants made a blind bit of difference to staff shortages and waiting times. They bang on about the last few years or the last decade, The strain and decline on our services, housing education etc has been growing for the last 30/40 years. I have heard the same reasons and excuses for over 40 years, they would not listen to our parents then anymore than they will listen to us now. Time for all the old has been's to move out and let someone else take the reins. Vote Reform.
The economic effects aren’t what concern me. Most of the people coming are not prepared to integrate or sign up to our values, culture and history. We are losing our societal values.
Reform should ask for an immediate census to see the real immigration in this country. This should be held every 5 years not every 10. I fear the whole truth is never spoken.
What have they contributed to these economic migrants there taking more than giving and that old chestnut that they're all doctors surgeons, professors, bricklayers and peace activists and want to play happy familys a lie. People aren't stupid they can see right through it
The home office publishes the figures.
There won't be much more space in the classroom if we invite many more immigrants into the UK for God's sake.
Richard talks total sense- Reform is the only way to go!
These two…. Are completely off the rails.
Richard is spot on! We are being invaded! Vote Reform!
Reform UK 🇬🇧
Farage = Legend
He is
I'm not bothered about economics at the moment. I am bothered about illegal immigration. 🇬🇧
yes me too send millions home Start with the east end please
Unfortunately, we have complete innumerates in our universities and this professor just proves this. 🤔
Imagine another 50 years if something didn't happen
Rafe Nadoo says the UK will be majority non-white by 2073, if it carries on like this. Even the USA curbed immigration between the wars because it was causing the gang chaos seen in Chicago and New York. Italian mafia and irish gangs back then.
Rafe Nadoo has shown that if this carries on, the UK will be majority non-white by 2073.
Sharia Law.
Rafe Mankoo said that at current rates of immigration, the UK will be majority non-white by 2075. That's the EU's plan. Is it a coincidence that 44 million muslims live in Europe today ?
No two professors alone may agree on this issue, so why listen to this sheep
In 100 years africa with still be africa and india the indians but will the briton still british ... i think not
Vote reform uk well done Richard 🎉🎉🎉
They didn't work in their homeland and they certainly are not going to work here.
Aint that the truth
If ANYONE says immigration at the scale we have, (especially illegally) is a success, they need to give their head a wobble.
To save our country vote REFORM
Tice is correct that a lack of cheap labour drives innovation and automation. Compare Brazil and the UK in the 19th century: In Brazil an endless supply of slave labour was freely available, no need to do anything more efficiently. Quite the opposite story in the UK.
The state of london, Bradford, luton, Birmingham, Leicester, etc etc would say otherwise
Londin was much worse in the 80s.
Yep born and bred in the East end Im saying its otherwise He has no idea
@@stephenhill545 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Just filled out my ballot paper REFORM for me
Well Done
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Good man
And all of my friends and family Reform all the way 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧👊🏻👊🏻👊🏻👊🏻👊🏻
@wendynicholls6231 let's change things @wendy
Well done richard.
Oh God no, not sure I have the patience for JP’s agressive dissembling. Awful article.
I hope Portes has diverse and enriched neighbours but I suspect not.
reform
Immigration has gone up waiting lists have gone up this has gotten worse over my 65 years on this island. When will these people wake up they have destroyed this country or is it that they know what they are doing
Do some serious research. Migration increased under the last Labour govt. Waiting lists virtually disappeared. The professor explained why. They invested the increased revenues in health care.
The cultural ,changing nature of our society is not a "dog whistle" but a serious concern.
Academia inhabit a bubble!
'Stable equilibrium' is essential: my concern is not only for the present and foreseeable future of the UK but for the long-term - 100, 200, 300, 400 years and beyond. An extreme example of population growth is Pakistan - in 1947 they had some 33M; just 80 years later it is 245M . . . How will the finite UK cope with exponential population growth?
What the hell are they all talking about. These are young men,the government pays their passage. They are giving them money paying for their accommodation and telling them not to work.
Richard Tice makes all the sense. There are some statisticians who cannot bring any fresh debate or passion in building.
Agreed. He speaks for many people not that deluded proffessor.
Bot i think.
@@sarahsteeleuk4196you just agreed with a Russian bot. Nice one.
Vote Reform - not for the pink profs. WEF lib/lab/Cons Uniparty
Yes positive we don’t want it
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One could be forgiven for thinking that the Prof. has barely a nodding acquaintanceship with both common sense and the common people... a sad thing.
Well Spoken
He was extremely supercilious and condescending. How dare a successful businessman and now politician question HIS authority on economics. He who has probably never put into practice any of his theoretical knowledge.
where does this professor live !! talks stupid !! richard is right VOTE REFORM & get our country back !!
in an ivory tower on an island by himself Why he talks crap
Sorry where is the dog whistle? It's the scale. Sick of this nonsense argument.
Sure, immigrants pay tax and so contribute a small amount to the on-going maintenance costs of public services. But they haven't made any contribution to the capital costs of existing public service infrastructure which has grown up after decades of contributions from the existing population and their families. So obviously there is a huge net financial benefit to the immigrant in gaining a share of this. They would have no reason to migrate otherwise.
What a set of muppets. Vote @reform
Maggie had more bolloxs than this shower of politicians.
Kalergi plan.
BINGO
VOTE REFORM 🇬🇧
Presenters having to look down after every line of speech to read what they need to say next. Pathetic.
Bringing in millions and millions and millions only makes our lives better 😂 Okay mate
Ritchard Tice...He is probably the most under estimated future politician in our country at present......He speaks fact ..Not personal opinion..........That proffesor ?......Well i'd like some of what he's on.
The professor was bad enough, but the cringe inducing virtue signal at the end, by the host, takes the Victoria sponge.
Richard is spot on! Vote Reform UK. Let's save our country.
Most people have no problem with ordinary Muslims most of whom are decent and hardworking.
The problem is radical Islam. There are thousands of Islamists who preach hate against the non Muslims (even some Imams) and want to see Shariah Law in this country. I know several ex Muslims who have been severely beaten on leaving the Islam Faith and a few of them are in hiding and in fear of the lives from their own families and own communities for daring to reject Islam. The police aren't interested. They don't want to incur the Wrath of these communities. I fear the Labanisation of the UK
These are the ones that we are afraid of.
We don't want Islam FULL STOP.....or globalists like the pink prof.
The majority of the Muslims in this country are not radical. Yes there are some extremists but they are a small minority.
Another exercise in bean counting as opposed to the systemic issues involved in immigration. The big elephant in the middle of this discussion is culture. The cost of immigration can be measured by cultural fragmentation and discord and the related growth of identity politics. Without a common culture, trust will always break down, but many immigrants are unwilling to affirm a common culture.
And another nadir consideration is that overseas qualifications are not always comparable, just ask anyone working in the health care sector. Qualifications should be diligently cross referenced with the uk equivalent to ensure standards don’t slip. The talk of getting immigrants to fill jobs in social care fills me with horror for all sorts of reasons. But nobody seems to talk about that.
@@christinefiedor3518
It is horrifying.
Camilla, good on your son, but why can’t the opposite happen too, maybe see a Muslim reciprocate and take on the British way of life/culture for a short time, to make sure that complete integration takes place. To me it always seems one sided, we have to always accommodate them, even changing some of our laws. This is rather a one sided programme.
Most overseas students are really just paying for the right to work in a country post-study, the quality of the course is really an afterthought.
Not my experiencd of university. Overseas student at Bath were maiinly enrolled in the engineering and management faculties there.
Mass immigration isn't just an economic issue.
It's likely to become a Sharia Law issue, especially when people can vote at elections when they haven't been here for long.
They will not alow what we realy want to say SO! " VOTE REFORM 🇬🇧💯 AND GET labour & Conservative OUT dont vote for them.
They should have finished that programme at the end of the discussion. CT's little story about her son reveals that she has no idea of the pressure her son is under by his Muslim 'friends'.
Lack of Labour leads to acceleration in automation
Remember that plague that decimated English population in 17th century led to industrialisation
Is the professors talking about a different country l don't recognise the same country he is talking about.
We never asked them to come here government did so all in government should be paying for them not taxpayers NIGEL REFORM UK 🙏🙏❤️❤️🇬🇧🇬🇧💯💯💯💯💯
What her son does not what to take up there religion but wants to go in there parayer room that is like saying he does not believe in religion but wants to go to church because his friends go that is indoctrination and she thinks that is fine.
I wonder if she had a girl that said the same with all the does and don't if she would feel the same way.😮
Vote Reform. Get rid of these pompous idiots.Wd Richard. He did well amongst biased idiots.
N FARAGE...STAND STRONG.....MAKE BRITAIN GREAT AGAIN.....LET SAVE OUR NATIONS WE THE PEOPLE.....
In the past 3yrs we have had over 2 million people given work visas but only 15% of them will earn the national median wage of £38k a years. An income of around £41k a year is what someone needs to earn to be a net contributor to this country. 85% of those coming here to work on visas won't be net contributors unless they go home and never use the NHS,Education etc.
Jonathan Portes's unflinching, non-negotiable commitment to mass immigration is _frightening!_
What planet is Professor Jonathan Portes on? He wants to come and live in the real world
planet NUMPTY
I don't see how importing 8 million people and the rise in rents and house prices can't ne linked?
The professor is a nut job, more people = less wages its always been that way. Vote Reform people. Its our only chance to save the country.
he lives in Cuckoo Cuckoo land...with the WEF.
Why is a person not from this country addressing us??