PT is MGSV *SPOILERS*
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It's been a decade (!) since Hideo Kojima's PT and MGSV: Ground Zeroes! In this video essay, Jorin tackles the theory that PT and MGSV are linked. Speaking broadly, we've done something on this before. But this video was made after replaying PT many more times, and with a much better defined idea of how the two games connect.
Here's my argument: PT was both a playable teaser for Silent Hills and MGSV: The Phantom Pain.
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Silent Hills[a] is a cancelled horror game developed by Kojima Productions that was to be published by Konami for the PlayStation 4. It was in development since 2012 until its cancellation in 2015. It was to be the ninth main installment in the Silent Hill series and was to be directed by Hideo Kojima and Guillermo del Toro.
Series publisher Konami brought Kojima onto the project in September 2012. The game was announced via P.T. (short for Playable Teaser), a critically acclaimed game demo released as a free download from the PlayStation Store in August 2014. P.T. revealed the involvement of Del Toro, along with Norman Reedus as the voice and appearance of its protagonist.
The game's development was questioned due to rumors surrounding Kojima's work with the completion of Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain, and his eventual exit from Konami. In April 2015, Konami announced that the game had been cancelled, a move that was criticized by journalists and fans of the franchise. Kojima, del Toro, and Reedus reunited for the 2019 game Death Stranding.
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![Investigating the Side-Ops of METAL GEAR SOLID V: GROUND ZEROES [*HUGE FINDS*]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/YmC0-LHgjvA/mqdefault.jpg)
Makes sense I don’t need to watch the video to agree
Joking😊
Secret truth tape hidden in PT's code shows that the baby's real name starts with V, thus proving the baby is Venom Snake
@@leek5682 👁️👄👁️ woah 😮
@@leek5682 what
😂
Kept us waiting huh?
He’s pretty good
@@TonoYT2Played us like a fiddle
@@henrik5257 Played us like a damn fiddle!!! 🤬
In mission 20 of The Phantom Pain, right before you reach the tunnel that leads into the Ngumba Industrial Zone, there are 2 guards stationed by a tent. In the tent there is a radio. The radio is actually broadcasting the news story of the man killing his family. It even includes "look behind you" and "204863".
Yeah
Whenever the mist unit shows up, or mist in general, it will also change any nearby boombox to play that transmission as well. I heard it during Where do the bees sleep
@@maviscarmichael9124makes you wonder why they decided to put it in the game during those moments? Like even something as small the sound the swinging chandelier plays in the ambience of the Shago village in Mission 3
@@manicboyman534 its called an easter egg the skull unit are sci fi parasite things
They are not related to the occult or silent hill’s origins
"but now you're not sleeping, and we're not junkyard hounds. We're autistic PT theorizers"
It's not fun being autistic and seeing people use it to try and be funny
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Guilty!
Ground zeros is about HIDEO seeing the writing on the wall.
V is about his breakup with Konami
Pt is his Physical Therapy. Being trapped and broken and lost during this truama.
And Death stranding? That's about him learning to walk again and form new connections after his entire world was destroyed.
This is a more believable pitch than what is presented in the video. Especially if you look at Paz as a character, its very easy to project her as an allegory for Metal Gear as a franchise.
She is taken away from MB(Kojipro), interrogated, beaten, and mutilated(sold out), and given back to MSF(Kojipro) one last time only to "blow up" in their faces(public perception of MGS5 is that is an unfinished game thanks to Konami). In TPP she shows up again, only as a memory(so much of both TPP and GZ feel like nostalgia tripping for MGS,) and once you complete the game you get her bittersweet farewell(basically the whole of 5; GZ and TPP feel like a funeral but also a fun romp meant to leave the players with a game that lasts), and the true ending is unlocked revealing you the player carry on the mantle of Big Boss.
I think TPP is very psychological, especially if you played the previous Big Boss titles. Most connections displayed in this video look like reuse of assets or just simple nods to each of his projects, though.
@@VVulf_chan wonderfully put 💯💯
Kojima inserts 23 because “Kojima” in the Pythagorean numerological cipher is 23 , Kojima loves numerology
204863 if you move the 0 it's Kojima's birthday 24/08/63
@@NickNickNickWHAT It also comes out to 23 in the pythagorean calculator, same as Kojima
@toadsniff did you not read the comment which I was replying to?
When you see it, you really start to put together that Venom really is the amalgamation of Raiden, the Snakes, Big Boss, and Gray Fox. He's a splintered mind character who represents the many dichotomous themes throughout MGS. Duality has always been a major component of Kojima's storytelling. Phantoms, proxies, the double helix, Twin Snakes, East and West, missing link between Infantry and Artillery, etc. Many of these ideas really bleed into his other works, and actually influence it. After having completed Death Stranding, it's very clear it's equal parts a SH and MGS game. It's not far fetched to think PT was the bridge between MGSV and DS.
Also, the traditional MGS codec says PT.
I've noticed the same static noise from the radio in PT right before "Don't touch that dial." To the "Man who sold the world" being tripped/unplugged from the hospital nurse. You can also hear the chandelier creaks come from a well in TTP. I believe the mission is "A Hero's way." The mission "Voices" sees you in an area that is always foggy right before your 2nd encounter with "The man on fire." It's in the tent right before you enter "The mouth of the snake" that you can hear the 204863 radio transmission.
The least psychotic MGSV fan:
When the world needed him most...he returned
I always considered Ground Zeroes (mission) to be real but all the other levels in Ground Zeroes (the game) to be the "VR training" for venom. If you look at his shadow, it's Ishmaels model
I still have the PT demo on my PS4, i love having people over to play it for the first time lol.
Are you in Washington State by chance. When it came out it was long before I ever got my ps4 and wanted to play it! I can bring dabs and a dab rig to dab you out!
same here
That’s guest abuse!
interesting thing in ground zeroes is that the attacking XOF soldiers vanish just before motherbase collapses
We missed you bro
I'm actually finishing MGSV and I really want to see this video when the journey ends, thank you Boss!
I finally beat it (not raiden skin yet). MGSV is a masterpiece in what it is but it's obv unfinished and I blame Konami for disrespecting Metal Gear and Kojima in such a way. Starting the video now
I don't know how many of these comments i have written...:
I absolutely HATE that every video that talks about P.T. includes the goddamn jumpscare.
Can i PLEASE watch a single analysis or theory video, without being forced out of my seat?
You're absolutely right , the analysis is good as always but i can't continue watching because of these jumpscares of lisa lmao.
This is a longer stretch than stretch armstrong toys
it really isn't, the same goes for death stranding. kojima tells the same story in different forms, he's always carried the same themes over from game to game
@@venomsnakessidepiece you just basically said he's a one trick pony but in a sugar coated way
@@DanteWolfwood I never said that at all. I said he tells the same story in different forms, carrying themes over. If anything I just described what all great storytellers do and have done throughout history. All the greats have a style, and his style are these specific themes. He’s just simply evolving his own way of telling these themes in different forms. It’s a strange takeaway from what I said.
Armstrong you said? METAL GEAR RISING IS CANON BABY!!!!!
Like a police detective would say after listening to a theory about a crime....that's a stretch.
You're such an amazing dude seriously, I watch at least one whole video of your just before going to bed, thank you my brother I appreciate your hard work
Same!
Welcome back Boss
I like how you're smart enough to understand what a scumbag Big Boss is. I know a perturbing amount of people who still think Big Boss did nothing wrong. Miller was no angel but he was right about him in Metal Gear 2.
It's pretty meta Kojima finished things with a commentary on hero worship and how people connected to "he's the two of us put together" but how omnious Ocelots words are. "Don't forget that's what he would have wanted."
Turning people into symbols has been a theme since the beginning of the timeline in Snake Eater. There is no definitive Truth to who Big Boss was. It depends on your interpretation as far as how good or evil he lands. I think it's reasonable to have some degree of sympathy for him because from the MGS3 era, but he's done unjustifiable things in the name of a messed up interpretation of what he thought was right.
The real kicker of TPP is anyone can be Big Boss, if they're led to believe it. Anyone can become the legend. Solid Snake, Raiden, BB, The Boss, the list of "engineered heroes" designed to be worshiped by the masses goes on. The best part though, is how not only do these characters get misrepresented, put up on pedestals, get reduced to symbols and reinterpreted within the fiction, but by US, the player/viewer/consumer as well. This is probably one the most important ideas presented by the franchise and it is definitely lost of some people.
Can't let that bother you too much though. Not everyone is willing to get below the surface level, and that's okay, we can all still enjoy MGS in our own way.
I remember pointing out the connections in a mg fb group back in 2015 after beating TPP. Theres alot more connections im trying to remember all I found, there were 51 loops in PT going thru the door, there were 51 episodes(deleted episode)for mgsv. Im trying to recall it all this was some time ago, theres the obvious pt tape in africa, some of skullfaces conversation with venom in the truck "we are all but dead men forced to walk the earth" (i walked line from pt) something with the lense flares and the flashlights color change i cant recall it all at the moment but yes i always felt pt was the brainwashing venom endured by cipher. But the more shocking than all of the video game stuff is the real life brainwashing we all endured from the language used against us during 9/11 (the neighbors called nine eleven not nine one one) even more shocking is when you understand the archaeas inclusion in this story....
Could you elaborate on that last thing
@i_love_musique333 Almost 10 years later and no one has understood this. I will tell you all I saw it right away and I use to tweet kojima about all of it in 2015. His name is sam for a reason. There are many ciphers in TPP, understanding it in full you must see what kojima is telling us and also what he isnt . The gap in the door is the gap in our memory very much manipulated like venom. Metallic archaea is a real thing. In specific sulfolobus metallicus which has the>> FOX gene
@i_love_musique333 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfolobus_metallicus
I hope people finally understand this. I have carried this revelation since 2015 and its sad the world doesnt understand it yet. Never forget
Look in genetics>FOX GENE<
Do you remember the
"From fox two phantoms were born"
Fox gene in the archaea
FOXP2 forkhead box P2 in our brain This gene is required for proper development of speech and language regions of the brain during embryogenesis, and may be involved in a variety of biological pathways and cascades that may ultimately influence language development.
We could not see the archaea and the language let us fill out gaps in our understanding. We were decieved like venom.
The King of Kojima game channels returns to his kingdom
Where, but more importantly HOW, have you been, Jorin?
he was in the bag, Juancho.
...he was IN the f#(king bag all the time
Just hit my crack pipe, time to lock in and watch this vid
8:17 Opening Chico's Cage in the _Ground Zeros_ cinematic there is a _Third Man_ accompanying Skull Face visible in the guard's visor reflection passing right to left wearing a suit or overcoat reminiscent of a few characters. This is also a phenomenon in survival scenarios, where the person finds themselves in the company of a seemingly flesh and blood person urging them on, cajoling them, or judging them.
post a video witha timestamp
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My favorite writer is back. NEVER GAME OVER!!!
‼Excited to watch the Legend himself analysis of this AWESOME and hyper intriguing schema. Much love and appreciation for your ART🤩
There was a developer event with a pt trailer that had chicos head in it in addition to some other mgsv type stuff. Think youre on to something.
I think this is a bit of a stretch making these connections directly.
Given how dualism is a huge thing with Kojima and MGS V, GZ, PT and even Death Stranding, i can see it.
PT may be canon. Look up PythonSelkan.
My brother in Christ he's mentally insane, he sees big boss in the corner of his vision and hears him in the walls lol
If I remember correctly, Pythonselkan also talked about Phantom Pain originally being a horror game, or I read it on some forum and misremembered it.
could also explain the zombie apocalypse vibe in metal gear survive
@@f10nn02nah cash grab
If MGSV isn't horror, I don't know what is. It pretty much covers all of the bases.
The Fetus in the sink is the second bomb in Paz womb
And "Gouge it out" photo is the same eye as Venom
Always excited when a new Futura Productions video hits. Next best thing to Kojima-San
Btw, its NOT 10 years since mgs GZ. This has to be a lie!
Check back in 4 days brother.
Check back in 3 days brother.
September this year is 9 years since TPP
Time to wake up V
tomorrow marks 10 years :D
Today!!!
glad to see youre still posting, Lee
Glad you’re back. I love your virtual essays,I listen to them while I work my menial job. Makes me wanna play MGS. Lol
4:50 Red and gold skull emblem! I had the same idea! Almost lost if it and thought it was mine! Thank you for your dedication to MG!
Love that you're back on you tube
i think it crazy that a game from 10 years ago is still influencing and being talked about in other games. this is a bad example but there was a PT easter egg in goat sim 3.
I don't know man. A lot of this stuff can be dismissed as "Kojima was really hooked on this trope at the time". I'd apply that argument to the dust motes, the black and white photos of lights, the close-up attack of Lisa & Quiet. The bathroom parallel can be explained away by pointing out that both these buildings would have bathrooms.
This is an incredible discovery. Thank you for your videos!
Glad this has finally been pointed out. Theres so much more...
Even with relation to the chirality of PT/TPP/DS
This is almost as cool as the Sith Lord jar jar binks theory.
The fact that you released a video is amazing
Holy fuck! The amount of dedication you put on all this is impressive! Congratulations!
Lol, and I just finished watching your video about MGSV and language . Keep it up!
While this idea conceptually is very appealing to me, I think a few of these connections could be coincidental, and others may be just similar themes explored by separate stories with the same author.
Personally, I'm more aligned with TheGrateDebate's "P.T.'s hidden meaning" video where he suggests PT Kojima's way of discussing the drama between himself and Konami without violating any NDAs, but to be honest, there are some days where I seriously think that whole entire fiasco was a fabrication. Kojima has screwed my brain up so much over the years and blurred the lines between what's real and what isn't that I legit have a hard time coming to conclusions on these topics.
Viewing the P.T experience as a purposefully induced hypnogogic therapy for the sleeper agent you play in TPP, put on by the Patriots, is certainly a compelling idea though. I often find myself trying to connect dots that aren't there in the "Kojimaverse," simply because it'd be very interesting that way. It's not totally out of the question that PT takes places within the same fiction as MGS, but it certainly doesn't have to.
I think this is a reault of Kojima's style and the way he loves obscuring reality leading us to believe we see a ghost that isn't there. At the same time though, if Kojima were to attempt to create playable experience for Venom's "therapy" he wouldn't have the license to the MGS IP, so he'd have to obscure it.
Correct me if I just missed it, but Jorin didn't seem to mention that the news radio broadcast from PT is literally found in Phantom Pain during the "Voices" mission and there's a radio in the Code Talker mansion that plays the Dad's monologue from PT. That's the biggest direct connection that cannot be atributed to coincidence, or reused assets. It's literally in both games. The chandelier sound can also be heard at OKB Zero, but that could fit into the coincidental reused asset category.
Thanks for the intriguing video.
You? But you died!?
Another excellent video, Boss.
Most sane kojima fan
If this was any other game director we would always think this is a stretch, but because it's Kojima.....
Glad you're back
17:39
You and I remember dial up internet VERY differently.
Lmao
These video essayist seriously have gotten so fucking pretentious. I completely and totally think the entire line of thinking was "Hey there's like .5 seconds of audio in the background that kind of sounds like dial up when I approach that kid" because that's it, that's all there is that *remotely* sounds like an old modem connecting to the internet.
@@ProfMarkQit's pretentious to analyze something? y are u like this
@@ProfMarkQanalyzing something is pretentious? y are u like this 💀
@@venomsnakessidepiece
Maybe "Pretentious" is the wrong word, and I'm not speaking for him, but I assume he refers to these theory channels becoming more and more far reaching in assuming EVERYTHING has some sort of significance or connection or conspiracy.
The outlet similarities caught me off guard because those aren't standard American outlets. Interesting
Welcome back ... Boss!
PLEASE MAKE "WHAT EVEN HAPPENED" SERIES PLEASE! need to it to finish !! ❤ so well put together 😊
so are you saying that PT *is* the link between GZ and TPP? or are you saying that it is something kind of like what the character that you play as would go through?
Nice Editing G :)
Wait is this a python video lol
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That’s what I thought lol
Same level of schizophrenia.
nice the man himself is back! maybe p.t is venom snakes nightmare ? we know there's a strong connection between ttp and silent hill especially with the mysterious radio playing distorted sounds great vid 👍
Your most schizophrenic video yet
Thx for the jumpscare warnings.
Gotta change my underwear now 👍🏻
I still have a ps4 with pt I play it every year. Your take is absolutely insane…… I respect that
Its strange how you are able to play Venom in TPP as your avatar... Idk that just kills the immersion for me haha. But i get it
now this is podracing
I love your channel and content , your analysis is amazing as always , but i just can't continue watching this video because lf lisa jumpscare everytime lmao.
Thank u for your hardwork on these videos you're definitely an expert when it comes to mgs analysis.
Holy shit, welcome back
Let’s goooooo new FSP
Good to see you again. Boss.
We’ve been waiting for u
Sim. Existia um documentario comentando isso de quase 3 horas muito bem elaborado e recheado com conteudo analisando o World Building e escolhas especificas de Design e até mesmo analises de escrituras ocultistas. Pena que nunca mais encontrei esse documentario. Era muito antes do lançamento do D.S
the sound mixing is bad i can barely hear you
seen a 5h video once about this, sick topic to dive into
Link?
@@sergiootero5904 sorry i was a bit wrong actually its more about PT connections with Death stranding and metal gear and silent hills ruclips.net/video/IeIRa2uyvwg/видео.html very diffrent type of video tho be warned
Futurasound back ^.^
The first time you said “Punished Venom Snake” I heard it as “Punishment of Snake”. Heh.
Boaaa, tem uma série sua analisando as cutscenes do TPP , mas vc parou acho que na metade , pretende continuar?
I like the idea that you can head cannon P.T. as a fucked coma dream Venom experiences between GZ and TPP
Or could it be that they were both created using the Fox Engine and so visual similarities can be expected due to it's infancy.
Can you help us with askyouruncle's ARG? We have no idea whats going on haha al, some people think he has his chapter 2 video out there soekwhre. His mgs5 video stops at the end of chapter 1 and he never mwntions anything past that
Great video as always, backing audio was a little too loud
Wow I just remembered your channel last night and rewatched a couple of old videos, and the next day you male this! Cool coincidence
Thanks!!
Welcome back boss 🫡
24:23 The word "Punished" hem... I mean "punishment" mentioned with this Ricardo "Chico" Valenciano Libre's Concept Art displayed may also cause some "conflicts" of massive magnitude with the "good listener's" "internal timeline" "for a S-Special reason."
Welcome back, boss.
“It’s been ten years that these games came out and I’m sure you’re sick of watching scenes from their trailers so I’m gonna do a long and slow video essay about a theory of mine full of long pauses so you can see all those trailer scenes yet again” *silly upbeat music*
Kept me waiting boss
Great music!
Futura came back and RUclips didn’t even notify me :’(
The goat returns
I'm really gay. And you are too.
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Big Gay.
The work is never ending...
Kept us waiting 😂
You are goated
PythonSelkan already went deep into this, but alright.
Especially when we hear the tapes again in Africa --- it made me think it was part of the conditioning. Much like how the rest of the tapes, the overwhelming hum of the AC copter etc
People play Metal Gear and act like this concept is outlandish.
where is ‘what even happened mgs2 pt4’!!!!!
Ah yes , let’s get it
Really good video, that's one way to look at it.
Death Stranding Spoilers:
However, the way I look at it is that PT is instead Death Stranding, specifically one of Sam's earlier repatriation and his first visit to a beach Cliff was on that left Lisa there.
Gameplay wise P.T. plays exactly like the repatriation mechanic in Death Stranding, Story wise feels like a Beach of husbands who killed their wives, and because Sam blames himself for Lucy's suicide, he feels like he killed her, and he goes deeper down the Spiral that's not a loop because he believes he deserves it.
But then after the first few loops, seeing no way out, unlocks suppressed memories of Cliff's failed escape, and that's when Lisa Shows up. And what does Lisa do? He lures him into the bathroom, attaches to him, and shows him the Baby. It's Lou, she's crying, she's dying, she shows him why he needs to return to the world of the living, to get Lou out of there before the void out happens.
And it all ends with Lou laughing after he chooses to call for J. J being John aka Diehard-Man.
But when he comes to, it's too late, Lou's body is dead, premature, just like the baby in the sink. He leaves the apartment, light's start to flicker on the street, he looks back, keeps walking into the fog, screen goes white, the void out still happens, but little does he know, Lou's soul would eventually find a new BB pod host.