The most hilarious thing about Picard speaking in a French accent is that that’s exactly how the TNG producers wanted Patrick Stewart to talk initially.
That is one of the reasons I love this episode (but also despise it due to other scenes). I’ve heard about Patrick Stewart attempting a horrible French accent before filming TNG and how it was decided Captain Picard would not have a French accent due to this. And then we finally get to see and hear why in this episode 🤣
The funny thing is, the first sentence is close to truth. When it was written, organ transplant surgery was a pretty new and controversial thing, which helps put the episode in context. Unfortunately it's still terrible, and I think transplant surgery went from "controversy" to "universal acceptance" in about 15 minutes, probably before the time the episode aired.
Make that the first TWO seasons, namely with the single-piece spandex Federation uniforms which were supposedly on their way to kill at least some of the cast members ~
I genuinely laughed so hard after the description of Justice. "A bunch of semi-naked people run around a grassy planet and Wesley Crusher is sentenced to death." That does sound like a great story.
"Move Along Home" pushed me away from DS9 on its original run. It took a brief glimpse of season 5 finale (that I watched by accident on a hotel TV during a business trip) to make me give the show a second chance. And I'm glad that I did, as it's one of the best shows in the Star Trek franchise!
@@sweetchilli6993 Agreed, there are a number of factors that go into it being hated, least of all because those aliens were pretty much our first encounter with a species from the Delta Quadrant, and you know what they say about first impressions.
OMFG... I have nightmares to this day. And you know, if they had just omitted that stupid forcefield-hopscotch-song segment, the episode wouldn't've been that bad at all. Still one of the weaker episodes, perhaps, but would it draw the seething vitriol that it does? I kinda doubt it. Calamarain, count to four... Addendum: Oooh, that's right, it's "alamarain". That doesn't make any more sense, but I guess they're not, as I was thinking, referring to the energy beings that wanted to do away with Q.
I love plato’s stepchildren. It’s all about the value of one’s humanity and the damage of humiliation and the consequences of dehumanization. Also follows along with “Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely” and good guys saying no to power. (Also we get to see Spock almost lose control)
FTR: the very first Trek episode with an 'inter-racial' kiss took place in the much more highly regarded Space Seed, whereby a White female (Scottish?) and a South Asian male (played by a Hispanic) shared a kiss prior to their attempted takeover of the USS Enterprise. Turnabout Intruder tops my "love to hate" episode. For starters, it is a rather poor way to end a series. As well, the premise of it was nullified by ST: The Voyage Home, in which a female starship captain is portrayed in the same (23rd) century as that infamous episode.
@@bonghunezhou5051, there were several interracial kisses in media at the time. But back then, the much forbidden "interracial kiss" was defined as being between a Black person & a white person.
@@Noycey64 Well, in the Way to Eden we got to see the stupid, arrogant, sarcastic space hippies all die at the end. So that was fun. I'm still left wondering if the "Herbert" thing was a real hippie [or maybe beatnik] trope or if it was made up by the writers.
I love Irish culture, music, people, mythology, history l, anything really. So watching it was fun for a Mexican American boy. I wanted to live in that village. I know the idea is based on a notion of a perfect Irish town, but I never felt it was offensive. I felt it was people trying to bring something warm to their lives and I loved it.
@@ken.f.c.1977 Never thought it was funny. Found it touching they wanted a place to feel warm and like a family. If they did the same in Mexico in the 1880s I am sure it would have been written with the same care to be honorable and not offensive.
"These are the voyages..." Pfft, the novels don't mean anything since CBS/Paramount has adamantly repeated that the novels are not canon. So until Trip's death is reversed in a TV Show or Movie, it remains and THAT, for me, is why I'm going to continue to hate on that episode. The fact that it tied it in with the TNG episode "The Pegasus" is just icing on the cake.
'Threshold' is genuinely the first episode of star trek I ever saw, as a little kid it made me fall in love with the concept of sci-fi and space. I still adore it to this day (even if it is pretty much garbage)
Yes and yes. Spock's Brain is a campy, fun showcase of 60s sci-fi cringe. But when that episode rolls, it's only Spock's brain getting hurt. Watching CSL and WtE makes *my* brain hurt
Don't watch it. It's horrible and ruins the whole series. Stop at Terra Prime, that is what Manny Coto intended to be the last episode when the show got canceled, except Berman and Braga had to put together that last terrible episode as their last hurrah (Berman retired in 2005). It is by far the worst episode of any of the star trek series with the exception of some of the recent garbage by Alex Kurtzman. His productions and writers are sinking Picard and Discover faster then the titanic. The fan ratings for both of those shows is in the upper 30's and low 40's FAR lower than Enterprise and Voyager. It's too bad that UPN and Paramount / CBS didn't give Enterprise 3 more seasons. Manny Coto had a whole bunch of concept scripts on the board for a season 5 and the Earth Romulan War that would have been awesome.
@@chrisloesch1870 agreed 100%, and yeah I always end at Terra Prime, it's not very series endingy but it's at least it isn't a pile of pond scum from the sewage dump in the bottom-most pits of the lowest circle of hell
OMG! A kindred spirit! I have also watched Enterprise several through (I have all 4 seasons on Blu-Ray) and I haven’t and will never watch ‘These are the Voyages’ as far as I’m concerned Enterprise ended with the Episode ‘Terra Prime’ ...
The opening aside, I really liked the Stardust City Rag episode of Picard. I thought it was over-the-top ridiculous and enjoyed pretty much every moment seeing them stumble through their heist/rescue.
Dear Sean, I’ve really enjoyed this entry. I was actually thinking that Deanna Troi deserves a 10 awkward moments anthology. Marina Sirtis is often given moments of involuntary comedy. I was watching Clues today and I started thinking about all the similar absurd scenes she was given in TNG.
Since they decided to kill off a character at the end of Enterprise, I'm glad they did it that way. Because his fate could be swept under the rug just by saying, "but that's not what actually happened." They didn't actually need to make him a spy; they could have literally said Riker got a fictionalized account of the story; he really lived to a ripe old age.
Plato's Stepchildren also contains that brilliantly fun moment of Spock throwing shade at Barbara Babcock's character when she asks Kirk & Spock to guess her age. It makes me cackle every time.
I liked "Move Along Home" and kinda want to play the game myself tbh. I mean, it's the natural evolution of the puzzle element that exists in every single game that comes out these days.
I agree, without the kidnapping thing it would be sort of like a group event on the Holodeck. In fact, about 37 years ago the BBC has a kids' game show that was kind of like that.
Lmao I was wondering how he’d defend “These are the Voyages” and I agree, the episode itself isn’t bad, aside from killing off Trip and not even n-bothering to deliver Archer’s speech at only one of the most important dates in all of Star Trek. But yeah, I’ve seen before that if the episode were more like a mid season finale, it wouldn’t have been come down on nowhere near as hard as it did.
I recently finished the Star Trek Enterprise: Rise of the Federation novel "Live by the Code". And yeah (minor spoiler) Trip is alive. His death was faked and he's undercover working for Section 31 as "Philip Collier". :)
These are the Voyages is undone by the novels?! Can someone PLEASE tell me which novels I will buy them right now I swear to God. I adored Enterprise (Although I definitely see the problems with it) so if there's a better ending out there I'd love to read it. One thing the list didn't mention about the episode that also makes it awful is how they spend the entire episode playing up the speech that Archer is going to make. It isn't just a speech. It's supposed to be THE speech. The speech that jumpstarts the federation. The speech that made Archer so important to the time line. They play it up for the entire episode and Archer is struggling to write it the whole time and then... You don't even get to bloody hear it!
It was the worse cop out ever on TV. The Last Jedi was the worst character destroying movie ever. Also in the book canon, Trip's death is faked and he becomes a member of Section 31.
@@Smenkhaare there's a lot of really bad cop outs on TV but I just might agree with you. I might have been okay with what happened to Trip if they had just given us the speech.
The first novel you should read is "The Good that Men Do". That novel explicitly retcons the events of the episode as a total fabrication. The direct sequel is "Kobayashi Maru", followed by the two novels about "The Romulan War".
A few other people have said it, but I quite enjoy the Fair Haven episodes. I watch them frequently. Kate Mulgrew was also raised Irish Catholic, so I'd like to think she allowed herself to have a good bit of fun with them. All i really care about for comparison is that they *are* a thousand times more tactful than *that* TNG episode.
@Joseph Norm oh yeah he makes references to things only the audience would know all the time. Not like he ever talks to camera, but there are little things in his dialogue
@Joseph Norm I was watching an episode yesterday when Grilka comes back to visit him and they're talking about The Dominion War and he said 'what is war good for? I'll tell you, absolutely nothing' which paraphrases a song from the 70's
I think Move Along Home's redeeming factor is that the Aliens weren't actually evil as it was just a simulation. I mean we have seen 'playing a game with people's lives' too much at this point.... and if you were missing that I think Voyager's first season had what... three episodes with that theme.
The opening and closing of "Stardust City Rag" balance and justify each other. You need the brutality of being forced to witness Icheb's dismemberment and death(although it is sanitised a little by the fact that that's clearly an artificial eye being pulled from his eye socket, as it's attached with intentionally obvious wires) to get the karma of Seven opening fire on the person who did it without having to stop and soliloquise(much) to get everyone on the same page about what she's doing and why.
The thing I've always hated about the end of Enterprise is what happens to Trip. Why can't he have a happy ending? And now you say it's reconned in some book I've never heard of...? Please tell us the story. Trip was ALWAYS my favorite. My son is a Third....I so wanted to call him Trip, but you can't change nikenames when they're already half grown. (Trey was an option also. Just couldn't get anyone to go along).
Spoiler alert!!! In the novels it turns out Trip's death was faked by Section 31, that recruited him to infiltrate Romulas. That's right, it turns out that Trip was the only one who saw that the Romulans were actually related to Vulcans, as he was surgically altered to help Section 31 stall their warp tech, allowing the Federation to hold its own in the Earth/Romulan War. At the end, years after the war, a reporter had gone to Vulcan to interview T'Pol, and noticed her children looked...less Vulcan. The reporter found a aged human gardener tending some flowers. Turns out that gardener was a very old Charles Tucker III, the father of T'Pol's children. So there you are, a happy ending. You're welcome. Sorry to spoil it, but you asked.
@@danarseti OMG, Not Sorry for asking. Thank you so much. If this is proven as cannon I'm grateful, it's the ending I wanted. The only ending that makes since. Thanks again.
"These Are the Voyages..." should have been stripped of the TNG tie-in nonsense and Trip's death, or just used as a special feature rather than a normal episode. I think it's an episode that would be accepted today as something extra like Short Treks (but still without the pointless death).
Jolene Blalock slammed it as encapsulating *all* the worst parts of Enterprise, griping that the writers were just rehashing old stories instead of doing something new.
Love 'Move Along Home' although it runs out of budget for the end of the 'game'. My take. A bunch of comedy aliens arrive to gather intelligence by putting the station officers through a series of intellectual, psychological and physical tests. They demonstrate they can override security without detection, have superior beaming and holodeck technology and having humiliated the locals they swan off and are never seen again. Given the later shapeshifter story arc it all becomes far more sinister.
Good point! If the writers had linked the Dominion invasion to this episode, that would have been brilliant. It would have been a nice way to redeem this episode in the minds of most people and heighten the tension in the series as you would have to wonder if there were a sinister purpose hiding beneath seemingly benign events.
@Joseph Norm Yes, I feel quite a few of the Trek shows fall short in the area of giving us aliens that really feel alien. We get some interesting but brief tastes of something different, but then it's back to the same old humanoids.
You missed 2: 1) Tuvix. There is a good reason it was never mentioned again. 2) Naked Now/Time (whichever one was TNG). It was 12 kinds of terrible. The only good that came out of it was discovering Tasha had a Data entry port.
When I first saw Threshold I was actually happy that a sci-fi show finally realized evolution is not progression. (They still treated it as metamorphosis though, and the scenario.leading to a sentient species evolving that way assumes no suitable materials to make tools from). Yes it was lame, however it actually realized evolution is not progression and humans do not become almost as silly big brained psychics or energy beings.
5:52 While I was watching this scene from "Plato's Stepchildren" my next-door neighbor came in and yelled at me. "What are you doing sitting here watching this garbage instead of mowing my grass?"
“Precious Cargo” is an episode I’ve always actually liked. It’s a harmless romantic comedy. I enjoyed it the first night it aired and I enjoy it now. What’s the big deal? It’s similar in tone to “Elaan of Troyius,” another much-reviled episode of TOS that I happen to enjoy a lot. In both cases, a beautiful feisty princess fancies a stubborn alpha male-oh what a crime! Also, not that I particularly like “Spock’s Brain,” I don’t. But it’s interesting to note that recent advances in brain surgery and neural science actually renders this silly episode not quite as implausible as it initially seemed.
Paris pulling out his tongue reminds me of when I pulled out my dead big toenail, though not at all gooey. It was upsetting to see my poor bruised toenail bed. It was a year before it grew back enough to cut again and a few more years before it was the same again.
I don't understand why there is so much hate for the people of Fair Haven! Sure, the first time was more about Janeway finally getting a man and then changing him. But the second time where they become aware of what they are? BEAUTIFUL! What a First Contact to watch unfold!
I actually like what they were doing with "These are the Voyages..." just not the TNG aspect of it. I think it would've been a great episode without it.
here's how i would have ended Enterprise -- cut out ALL the TNG stuff ... super easy ... then at the end ... as Archer is walking up to the podium to give the inaugural and historic first speech creating the UFP he walks past a reflective surface and we as the audience catch a glimpse of someone who looks nothing like the Captain Archer we were used to ... as he reaches the microphone we hear him utter the famous words of Doctor Samuel Beckett "oh boy!" ... his image shifts from negative to positive in color and we fade to a black screen in the middle of which is a white glowing rectangle ... hologram 'Al' appears briefly in the light and before it dissolves you can clearly see him tapping something into his PADD 'Ziggy' ... we then get a pre credits text scroll that simply says some thing like: "and this time ... with this leap Doctor Samuel Beckett finally returned home" ... fade to credits
The concept would've mad a great one off "Ratings Sweeps Week" Episode, just not the finale. It could've even been used to show how what people in the 24th Century thought about "canon" wasn't always the spot on truth.
"These are the Voyages" may have been the final episode of Enterprise, it was "A Night in Sickbay" that killed the show. That pile of drek is easily the worst episode of Enterprise, and is #2 in my list for worst episode of ST ever, with "Code of Honor" being #1. Even though seasons 3 and 4 of Enterprise recovered a little bit, the damage was done.
I don't get why people have trouble with Stardust City Rag. It was high time Star Trek acknowledged that some acts/things are so heinous that they can't be forgiven, vengeance is not always a bad thing and some people do indeed need killing. One just needs to engage in them sparingly. Doing so does not make one evil.
...And now bc of how you refer to the episode "Sub Rosa", I've got that groundskeeper with the bad Scottish accent saying "Doo nah f*** the candle!" over and over again in my head.
Sometimes I'm frustrated that animated series rarely makes it onto these lists. I thought for sure that THE INFINITE VULCAN - the one where one of Khan's fellow dictators clones Spock and makes him 20 feet tall - would have warranted a mention at least.
Probably because, while more mature than most animated outings at the time due to having TOS writers on the show, TAS was still Saturday Morning fare and thus needs to be graded on a curve most of the time compared to the rest of Trek's outings.
@@CMWaters I very much disagree. TAS was a sharply written program with many episodes on par with TOS, written by the original writers, and having serious ambitions and emotional heft. Many episodes were, after all, left over from pitches and scripts for TOS. I rank Yesteryear alone as one of the finest episodes in the history of all Trek. It’s one of the most consistent series in the franchise, a few silly episodes aside, and its quality as a whole is dramatically superior to TOS Season 3 (which did got mentioned and didn’t get graded on a curve).
I enjoyed Stardust City. Star Trek has been a favorite show of mine for 35 years, and I'm so glad I watched Picard without these hateful "fans." There have been haters since TOS (season 3 was less than loved, and some hard-sci-fi fans thought Star Trek itself was rubbish). I remember a spiteful fan who hated everything after TNG Season 1 and the first motion picture! DS9, Voyager, Enterprise, and each movie had it's share of haters.
6:25 In the immortal words of the late great Billy Barty, the term is "LITTLE PERSON"!!!!!! 8:35 I always loved and always will love "Move Along Home", period!
Most people were hostile to the discovery episode If Memory Serves. But it was my favorite episode of Discovery. You understand the values of the Talosians better and seeing Veena again was great.
Watch it, but watch it before the second to last episode/two parter. These Are The Voyages is fun (despite a completely ridiculous and unnecessary character death), but it’s a bad finale. The second to last episode is a good finale. I’m positive people wouldn’t be all aboard the hate train if this was just a random mid-season episode.
@@BirthquakeRecords if they did it as a special tv short or something, i would agree. But jamming it into the main enterprise episodes was just offensive. Enterprise deserved a better finale.
Same here! Janeway has a boyfriend who malfunctions, Kim's girlfriend becomes an actual cow, the Doctor is hypnotised, Irish Charm from great extras and Holodeck Mayhem; what's not to love?! :)
I’ve honestly never understood the hate for “These are the voyages”. I get that it’s not the greatest ending to the series, but it’s not the episodes fault that the show was cancelled. If it had of been nestled snugly in the middle of season 4 and without the need to add a big finale style death of a main character, I think most would remember it as a fun crossover. Seeing Riker take over the role of the every mysterious chef was one of my favourite Star Trek moments of all time.
I was just a teenager when Sub Rosa came out and I loved it, what can I say. I have no excuse, I was hormonal and I didn't care how off the chain it was. I still love this episode. It's total cheese and I am here for it! I will die on this hill!
Aww! I love Move Along Home. It's daft and it knows it. We need the odd stupid episode every now and then. If we could have some silly episodes in the new stuff I'm sure I'd enjoy it more.
There is one episode which I think should have been number one: Star Trek: The Next Generation, episode 3 “Code of Honor” for its stereotypical racial theme and negative depiction of African culture.
There are some episodes that don't make it on the worst of lists because they no longer exist. Hello, _Code of Honor,_ _Turnabout Intruder,_ and _The Alternative Factor_
In all honesty there are some cultures, mainly non-african ones that I'm aware of, that are extremely similar to the one portrayed in that episode. Whether or not it is actually a good idea to put even an accurate representation on TV is another question entirely.
I really liked "Stardust City Rags". It gave me a nostalgic feel of older cornier Star Trek episodes. And i loved Seven being a badass in it. :-P Also, "These are the Voyages..." is not so much of an Enterprise episode as a lost episode of TNG? And that is supposed to be a bad thing? :-P
As a Welsh person, I am so glad that Paramount have never heard of Wales. I would really hate to have seen an episode where Welsh people were stereotyped the same way as Irish people have been throughout Star Trek's run, between "Up The Long Ladder," "Fair Haven," and "Spirit Folk."
4. Justice. You missed how utterly incompetent Tasha Yar was. In the beginning she states that the inhabitants' laws and customs are pretty straightforward and nothing out of the ordinary, yet she completely misses that every crimes has death penalty.
I liked Fair haven myself. I did like the Towns Folk and how Janeway centric focusing on her as a person. It tackled what would be a real issue for a captain stranded so far away from home. No matter how high your rank you still have basic human needs and instincts. One of those of course is the human desire to seek a partner. Crewman are not just unethical to date but it's also a line she wasn't really willing to cross being so held to her principles. (she come to bend some of them but besides the point) Be it fantasy she taken her own fantasy and derived a bit of happiness otherwise seeming impossible. Though ethically questionable to modify the behavior patterns and delete the wife. Still she had to face these needs driving her behavior and the hologram gave a perfect outlet. That little romance arc was quite enjoyable to me. Though I don't fault you for disliking Irish stereotypes. Spirit Folk I just love when the guy was complaining about the alcohol having no bite and Worf replicated him some War Nog.
I don’t care what anyone says about spok’s brain, I like it. It’s not a top favorite but still a good episode. Sub Rosa needs to be wiped out of existence!
Move Along Home is sooo good. Massive points for being fun and different. The Way to Eden is priceless, in retrospect. Hated it, didn’t like it too much first tine I watched it as a child. So great as an adult. Star Trek V, the best Star Trek movie, is a re-telling of ‘The Way to Eden’ by the way.
Thank you so much for talking about threshold. It's one of my favourite so bad it's good episodes of voyager. Voyager gets way to much flack but it's honestly my favourite star trek series.
The horrible final episode of "Enterprise" was also bad due to the very obvious aging of Frakes and Sirtis. Both actors were referencing an episode of TNG that was filmed when they were noticeably younger.
I was absolutely fine with Seven becoming a cold blooded killer. She used to be Borg and Icheb was basically like a son to her. The part I didn't like was near the end of the episode when she apparently let the bad guys get away with mutilating him and causing his death. I remember turning to my wife and saying "This is bullshit. There is no way in hell Seven would just walk away. I mean, really? The closest thing she has to family is brutally taken away from her and she's just sort of okay with it?" Then she asked to borrow a couple of phasers, beams back in and lays waste to the place. Hell...yes.
I am constantly hearing people say they hate "These are the voyages". However, I'm not sure anyone has really explained why in a way that makes sense to me. I understand that any form of "oh it was all a dream" style writing is immediately derisive, but in a universe where something like the Holodeck exists, I think it makes all of the sense in the world. I actually thoroughly enjoyed the episode, enjoyed almost all of Enterprise, actually.
I think many want their shows to be somehow "real" and the holodeck destroys their illusion, that Tripp "really" died doesn't help but as mentioned that's "fixed" in the novels, and the fact that makes it better for them kinda confirms that hypothesis.
The Fair Haven episodes (in my mind) are a far sight better than whatever that holonovel Janeway was playing early on was, the one where she was to be a nanny to the Lord's children.
Seven getting justice for the dissection of her son forcing her to mercy kill him is anything cold blooded, that was very warm blooded and extremely justified to atone for Ichebs death and to protect other recovered Borg from suffering the same fate.
YES, She was Very Sexy in it, She looks gorgeous in it, showed her great legs (Although Dixon hill in season 1 also showed her glammed up with her legs out) especially her hair and the episode actually brought out her eyes, the whole thing was a nod to Hammer Horror films of the 1960s
One of the things I really disliked about Spock's Brain is that if you look at it abstractly, you can convince yourself that the writers were trying to say that men and women need each other. But what it comes off as is fear of girls. Enterprise has an episode with a similar problem although the intended message was different. I like Move Along Home. I think that's because I accept that it's not about Sisko, Kira or any of those guys. They're just there for the plot. What it's about is Quark and Odo and I like that. Quark begging for the lives of the other people even though that's not really in Ferengi ethics is something I like a lot.
@@jasonbourneistreadstone they didn't berate geordie for falling in love on the holodeck. They berate him for using a real person taken from the personnel files to make a diagnostic program then messing with it so he could have a romantic relationship then expecting the real world woman to be like his fantasy and being a bit of a creep around her then having a bad reaction when she is nothing like his holofantasy.
Move Along Home or "The Crystal Maze" episode I liked, These Are The Voyages that I'm sorry to say is not good in the slightest! "apart from adding depth to the TNG episode" If I was stranded with a crew in the distant Delta quadrant and had a Holodeck bound to create a program that they could all use. Again it's not a bad episode "or chain of episodes" and so no hate from I. What I hated if anything was how Star Trek : Voyager nerfed up the big bad of Star Trek by turning the Borg into the alien of the week.
Whoever was the costume designer for TNG apparently hated men. Civilians always showed up in some boat necked TJ Maxx looking garbage in pastel colors. It always made me want to scream 'for god's sake don't they have collars in space??'. You could take any outfit and put it into either a Richard Simmons or Jane Fonda workout video. Okay, sorry rant over.
I am legitimately surprised that "I, Mudd" didn't make this list. It's as hysterically awful as any episode listed here but still somehow entertains. Another one would be "The Way To Eden" with the wonderful Charles Napier as a guitar strumming hippie, complete with a Spock+hippies jam sesh. TrekCulture, you kids dropped the ball this time my friends.
As an Irish American who actually knows the difference between the different regional accents of Ireland (Cork, Kerry, Dublin, Belfast, Donegal, ect.) It actually really bugs me when Actors try to do an Irish accent but always roll their R's like a Northerner while also stretching their E's like a southerner or worse sound like a concussed Scotsman....
"These are the voyages" from Enterprise is NOT necessarily bad. I would like it as a series finale if the holodeck TNG angle, if it was just AN episode of season four that did LOTS of experimenting it would be fine. But as a final episode, done the way it is I can't really enjoy it. Was that really how they handled all that stuff for real? This is set up after-the-fact by a holodeck programmer after all. Also it placed that icky thought in my mind that "is the entire run of Enterprise Rikers way of working out his final desision?" They certainly mentioned "chef" a lot when we never saw him. So no, the episode is fine, good stuff all around I feel. It is just... Why? ;-)
7:36 Nana Visitor called "Move along home" as herbest DS9 Episode ever... at the end of "What we left behind" So, who are we, to be against her opinion?
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The most hilarious thing about Picard speaking in a French accent is that that’s exactly how the TNG producers wanted Patrick Stewart to talk initially.
It reminds me of the Holy Grail. I'm French! Can you not tell by my outrrrrrageous accent!?!?!
Agreed! Jean-Luc was, after all, supposed to BE a Frenchman, as Gene Roddenberry conceived the character to be.
You know the old saying "Be careful what you wish for" :P
That is one of the reasons I love this episode (but also despise it due to other scenes). I’ve heard about Patrick Stewart attempting a horrible French accent before filming TNG and how it was decided Captain Picard would not have a French accent due to this. And then we finally get to see and hear why in this episode 🤣
I wonder if he did that accent as a little taunt to the original producers for ever asking for it. 🤣
"Spock's Brain" raised important scientific questions that people are still asking to this day: "Brain! Brain! What is brain?" What indeed
This episode was actually spoofed on "The Wonder Years"
The funny thing is, the first sentence is close to truth. When it was written, organ transplant surgery was a pretty new and controversial thing, which helps put the episode in context.
Unfortunately it's still terrible, and I think transplant surgery went from "controversy" to "universal acceptance" in about 15 minutes, probably before the time the episode aired.
@@suedenim "It's funny 'cus it's true." -- Homer Simpson
It's what Gene Coon lost as "Lee Cronin".
Justice was underappreciated
Pretty much the entire first season of _TNG_ can be loathed with joy.
Ah there's a few good ones on there
Except Code of Honor. That one just plain sucks.
But the rest? Either they are genuinely good or bad in a fun way.
I'm genuinely surprised how many of my favorite episodes are in the first season of TNG.
Make that the first TWO seasons, namely with the single-piece spandex Federation uniforms which were supposedly on their way to kill at least some of the cast members ~
Ah, yes. The first season of TNG. That thing that we all agreed to forget happened.
I genuinely laughed so hard after the description of Justice. "A bunch of semi-naked people run around a grassy planet and Wesley Crusher is sentenced to death." That does sound like a great story.
Only if they had followed through with that death sentence.
With TNG I tend to agree with the cliche that if Riker doesn't have a beard, the episode is going to be a struggle.
Every time Seán asks "was it really that bad" in this video, I'm nodding my head saying "Yes Seán, it really really was"
Sub Rosa 🤦♀️😂 Definitely that bad
Not me
"Move Along Home" pushed me away from DS9 on its original run. It took a brief glimpse of season 5 finale (that I watched by accident on a hotel TV during a business trip) to make me give the show a second chance. And I'm glad that I did, as it's one of the best shows in the Star Trek franchise!
agreed DS9 is my personal favorite star trek series
it is a total understandable move ... :'D
@@sweetchilli6993 Agreed, there are a number of factors that go into it being hated, least of all because those aliens were pretty much our first encounter with a species from the Delta Quadrant, and you know what they say about first impressions.
Love the use of rage bot as a pfp, especially since its a reference to hal 9000
OMFG... I have nightmares to this day.
And you know, if they had just omitted that stupid forcefield-hopscotch-song segment, the episode wouldn't've been that bad at all. Still one of the weaker episodes, perhaps, but would it draw the seething vitriol that it does? I kinda doubt it.
Calamarain, count to four...
Addendum: Oooh, that's right, it's "alamarain".
That doesn't make any more sense, but I guess they're not, as I was thinking, referring to the energy beings that wanted to do away with Q.
Fair Haven and Spirit Folk are pure class.
Now if you'll excuse me Father, I'm going to help Mrs. Doyle with the tea.
I LOved spirit folk
Dougal actually offering to do something in a helpful way? He must have drunk something strange.
I love plato’s stepchildren. It’s all about the value of one’s humanity and the damage of humiliation and the consequences of dehumanization. Also follows along with “Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely” and good guys saying no to power. (Also we get to see Spock almost lose control)
FTR: the very first Trek episode with an 'inter-racial' kiss took place in the much more highly regarded Space Seed, whereby a White female (Scottish?) and a South Asian male (played by a Hispanic) shared a kiss prior to their attempted takeover of the USS Enterprise.
Turnabout Intruder tops my "love to hate" episode. For starters, it is a rather poor way to end a series. As well, the premise of it was nullified by ST: The Voyage Home, in which a female starship captain is portrayed in the same (23rd) century as that infamous episode.
@@bonghunezhou5051, there were several interracial kisses in media at the time. But back then, the much forbidden "interracial kiss" was defined as being between a Black person & a white person.
@@bonghunezhou5051 I’m surprised Turnabout Intruder wasn’t on this list. Or the hippie episode Way to Eden.
I also loved the presence of Micahel Dunne, better known as the evild Dr Loveless in Wild, Wild West.
@@Noycey64 Well, in the Way to Eden we got to see the stupid, arrogant, sarcastic space hippies all die at the end. So that was fun. I'm still left wondering if the "Herbert" thing was a real hippie [or maybe beatnik] trope or if it was made up by the writers.
"Tom Paris becomes a salamander and bangs the captain, who is also a salamander"
...I mean at least we know why he doesn't get demoted.
They should have stuck with the salamander -- considerably better actor than RDM.
It was Neelix's coffee that turned them into salamanders, not going faster than impossible. You're not changing my mind on that
I like to imagine that the entire crew agreed to never ever speak of this incident again.
And leave their children behind on the planet.
I really just want a short treks episode now about how the babies are doing in the 32nd century.
I liked the Spirit Folk episode. Paris pranking Kim. The Doctor overacting as a Priest. Michael becoming Self Aware in the Holodeck. Good times lol.
I agree
I love Irish culture, music, people, mythology, history l, anything really. So watching it was fun for a Mexican American boy. I wanted to live in that village. I know the idea is based on a notion of a perfect Irish town, but I never felt it was offensive. I felt it was people trying to bring something warm to their lives and I loved it.
Any episode that had Paris and Kim getting into trouble or pranking each other was worth watching, just for the laugh.
@@hunkosaurusrex maybe If they had an episode with a Mexican sleeping under a tree you wouldn't find it funny ... just saying
@@ken.f.c.1977 Never thought it was funny. Found it touching they wanted a place to feel warm and like a family. If they did the same in Mexico in the 1880s I am sure it would have been written with the same care to be honorable and not offensive.
Spocks brain makes a great drinking game just take a shot everytime someone says brain. They say it over 36 times so the last one to pass out wins 🤣🤣🤣
*more like whose liver does not explode first*
@@scottmantooth8785 P00F!
@@DMSProduktions *i'll leave it to others with professional prior experience in such matters to clean up the extraordinary mess afterwards*
@@scottmantooth8785 No doubt! (NOT the band!)
@@DMSProduktions *interesting selfies without question...albeit leaning towards the Freddy Krueger end of the spectrum*
"These are the voyages..." Pfft, the novels don't mean anything since CBS/Paramount has adamantly repeated that the novels are not canon. So until Trip's death is reversed in a TV Show or Movie, it remains and THAT, for me, is why I'm going to continue to hate on that episode. The fact that it tied it in with the TNG episode "The Pegasus" is just icing on the cake.
Troi and Riker were using a malfunctioning holodeck. The program they used was goofed up, as usual. That happened a lot on the Enterprise D.
'Threshold' is genuinely the first episode of star trek I ever saw, as a little kid it made me fall in love with the concept of sci-fi and space. I still adore it to this day (even if it is pretty much garbage)
it's incredibly entertaining garbage though
I would watch Spock's Brain any day over And the Children Shall Lead or The Way to Eden
Yeah that's true lol, atleast Spock's brain is enjoyablly bad
Sounds like you don't 'reach.' Yeah, I hate that one, too. ;)
I can’t change the channel fast enough when I see The Way to Eden is on.
Yes and yes. Spock's Brain is a campy, fun showcase of 60s sci-fi cringe. But when that episode rolls, it's only Spock's brain getting hurt. Watching CSL and WtE makes *my* brain hurt
Oh yes. The Way To Eden is putrid. I legitimately hate it.
And I say unto you:
"As someone who has only seen TOS, TNG, and DS9, I agree with those choices."
I have watched all through Enterprise several times. Still haven't watched These Are The Voyages.
Spock's Brain tho. GENUINE CLASSIC.
Don't watch it. It's horrible and ruins the whole series. Stop at Terra Prime, that is what Manny Coto intended to be the last episode when the show got canceled, except Berman and Braga had to put together that last terrible episode as their last hurrah (Berman retired in 2005). It is by far the worst episode of any of the star trek series with the exception of some of the recent garbage by Alex Kurtzman. His productions and writers are sinking Picard and Discover faster then the titanic. The fan ratings for both of those shows is in the upper 30's and low 40's FAR lower than Enterprise and Voyager. It's too bad that UPN and Paramount / CBS didn't give Enterprise 3 more seasons. Manny Coto had a whole bunch of concept scripts on the board for a season 5 and the Earth Romulan War that would have been awesome.
@@chrisloesch1870 agreed 100%, and yeah I always end at Terra Prime, it's not very series endingy but it's at least it isn't a pile of pond scum from the sewage dump in the bottom-most pits of the lowest circle of hell
OMG! A kindred spirit! I have also watched Enterprise several through (I have all 4 seasons on Blu-Ray) and I haven’t and will never watch ‘These are the Voyages’ as far as I’m concerned Enterprise ended with the Episode ‘Terra Prime’ ...
I always thought that the writers of" Plato's Stepchildren" had done Acid or Smoked a lot of good weed
But it was historic! The first interracial kiss on American TV.
And yet, Meyer Dolinsky's Outer Limits episodes are great.
Robert Picardo's performance as the priest in Fair Haven and Spirit Folk was hilarious. "Sinners!!!!!"
The opening aside, I really liked the Stardust City Rag episode of Picard. I thought it was over-the-top ridiculous and enjoyed pretty much every moment seeing them stumble through their heist/rescue.
Dear Sean, I’ve really enjoyed this entry. I was actually thinking that Deanna Troi deserves a 10 awkward moments anthology. Marina Sirtis is often given moments of involuntary comedy. I was watching Clues today and I started thinking about all the similar absurd scenes she was given in TNG.
Oooh that would be a good video!
Now I have that song stuck in my head. SEAN!!!!! SEAN!!!!!
Since they decided to kill off a character at the end of Enterprise, I'm glad they did it that way. Because his fate could be swept under the rug just by saying, "but that's not what actually happened." They didn't actually need to make him a spy; they could have literally said Riker got a fictionalized account of the story; he really lived to a ripe old age.
Plato's Stepchildren also contains that brilliantly fun moment of Spock throwing shade at Barbara Babcock's character when she asks Kirk & Spock to guess her age. It makes me cackle every time.
I liked "Move Along Home" and kinda want to play the game myself tbh. I mean, it's the natural evolution of the puzzle element that exists in every single game that comes out these days.
I agree, without the kidnapping thing it would be sort of like a group event on the Holodeck. In fact, about 37 years ago the BBC has a kids' game show that was kind of like that.
@@bentels5340 There was another show with a few segments with the same premise called Nick Arcade.
We need a video on how Trip was saved in the Star Trek novels! Pleeeeeease🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Lmao I was wondering how he’d defend “These are the Voyages” and I agree, the episode itself isn’t bad, aside from killing off Trip and not even n-bothering to deliver Archer’s speech at only one of the most important dates in all of Star Trek. But yeah, I’ve seen before that if the episode were more like a mid season finale, it wouldn’t have been come down on nowhere near as hard as it did.
How did the novels undo Trip's death? I didn't even know there were ENT novels, so this is a genuine question
I recently finished the Star Trek Enterprise: Rise of the Federation novel "Live by the Code". And yeah (minor spoiler) Trip is alive. His death was faked and he's undercover working for Section 31 as "Philip Collier". :)
I love Move Along Home! It's one of my favorites.
Me too!!
I always loved move along home. Made me feel for the first time like these people can be friends, a lighthearted episode and i love it.
These are the Voyages is undone by the novels?! Can someone PLEASE tell me which novels I will buy them right now I swear to God.
I adored Enterprise (Although I definitely see the problems with it) so if there's a better ending out there I'd love to read it.
One thing the list didn't mention about the episode that also makes it awful is how they spend the entire episode playing up the speech that Archer is going to make.
It isn't just a speech. It's supposed to be THE speech. The speech that jumpstarts the federation. The speech that made Archer so important to the time line.
They play it up for the entire episode and Archer is struggling to write it the whole time and then... You don't even get to bloody hear it!
It was the worse cop out ever on TV. The Last Jedi was the worst character destroying movie ever. Also in the book canon, Trip's death is faked and he becomes a member of Section 31.
@@Smenkhaare there's a lot of really bad cop outs on TV but I just might agree with you. I might have been okay with what happened to Trip if they had just given us the speech.
The first novel you should read is "The Good that Men Do". That novel explicitly retcons the events of the episode as a total fabrication. The direct sequel is "Kobayashi Maru", followed by the two novels about "The Romulan War".
@@Nergalsama01 thanks! You're a Saint.
A few other people have said it, but I quite enjoy the Fair Haven episodes. I watch them frequently. Kate Mulgrew was also raised Irish Catholic, so I'd like to think she allowed herself to have a good bit of fun with them. All i really care about for comparison is that they *are* a thousand times more tactful than *that* TNG episode.
10 Times Quark Broke The Fourth Wall, he surprisingly does it a lot
@Joseph Norm oh yeah he makes references to things only the audience would know all the time. Not like he ever talks to camera, but there are little things in his dialogue
@Joseph Norm I was watching an episode yesterday when Grilka comes back to visit him and they're talking about The Dominion War and he said 'what is war good for? I'll tell you, absolutely nothing' which paraphrases a song from the 70's
@Joseph Norm what would you call it? I thought the title sounded snappy enough
@Joseph Norm oh yeah definitely, I always enjoyed his episodes especially with Odo
@@joeldfisher I think on TV tropes this is called "leaning on the fourth wall"?
I think Move Along Home's redeeming factor is that the Aliens weren't actually evil as it was just a simulation. I mean we have seen 'playing a game with people's lives' too much at this point.... and if you were missing that I think Voyager's first season had what... three episodes with that theme.
The opening and closing of "Stardust City Rag" balance and justify each other. You need the brutality of being forced to witness Icheb's dismemberment and death(although it is sanitised a little by the fact that that's clearly an artificial eye being pulled from his eye socket, as it's attached with intentionally obvious wires) to get the karma of Seven opening fire on the person who did it without having to stop and soliloquise(much) to get everyone on the same page about what she's doing and why.
The thing I've always hated about the end of Enterprise is what happens to Trip. Why can't he have a happy ending? And now you say it's reconned in some book I've never heard of...? Please tell us the story. Trip was ALWAYS my favorite.
My son is a Third....I so wanted to call him Trip, but you can't change nikenames when they're already half grown. (Trey was an option also. Just couldn't get anyone to go along).
Oof. Yeah the book is more or less, based on Enterprise season 5 and parts of season 6. Both of which were seasons we never got
Spoiler alert!!! In the novels it turns out Trip's death was faked by Section 31, that recruited him to infiltrate Romulas. That's right, it turns out that Trip was the only one who saw that the Romulans were actually related to Vulcans, as he was surgically altered to help Section 31 stall their warp tech, allowing the Federation to hold its own in the Earth/Romulan War. At the end, years after the war, a reporter had gone to Vulcan to interview T'Pol, and noticed her children looked...less Vulcan. The reporter found a aged human gardener tending some flowers. Turns out that gardener was a very old Charles Tucker III, the father of T'Pol's children. So there you are, a happy ending. You're welcome. Sorry to spoil it, but you asked.
@@danarseti OMG, Not Sorry for asking. Thank you so much. If this is proven as cannon I'm grateful, it's the ending I wanted. The only ending that makes since. Thanks again.
"These Are the Voyages..." should have been stripped of the TNG tie-in nonsense and Trip's death, or just used as a special feature rather than a normal episode. I think it's an episode that would be accepted today as something extra like Short Treks (but still without the pointless death).
Jolene Blalock slammed it as encapsulating *all* the worst parts of Enterprise, griping that the writers were just rehashing old stories instead of doing something new.
Love 'Move Along Home' although it runs out of budget for the end of the 'game'.
My take. A bunch of comedy aliens arrive to gather intelligence by putting the station officers through a series of intellectual, psychological and physical tests. They demonstrate they can override security without detection, have superior beaming and holodeck technology and having humiliated the locals they swan off and are never seen again. Given the later shapeshifter story arc it all becomes far more sinister.
Good point! If the writers had linked the Dominion invasion to this episode, that would have been brilliant. It would have been a nice way to redeem this episode in the minds of most people and heighten the tension in the series as you would have to wonder if there were a sinister purpose hiding beneath seemingly benign events.
@Joseph Norm Yes, I feel quite a few of the Trek shows fall short in the area of giving us aliens that really feel alien. We get some interesting but brief tastes of something different, but then it's back to the same old humanoids.
@@bgood8299 Very true. But unfortunately, the accountant says "no".
Where is the 'Masks' episode of TNG?
You missed 2:
1) Tuvix. There is a good reason it was never mentioned again.
2) Naked Now/Time (whichever one was TNG). It was 12 kinds of terrible. The only good that came out of it was discovering Tasha had a Data entry port.
I loved Tuvix. Cried just like I with the Enterprise version with Trio's clone.
@@vernicesyers5021 I have never encountered anyone who loves that episode.
@@BigJeremyBeyer I also enjoyed Insurrection and Nemisis. 😁👋
@@vernicesyers5021 I liked Insurrection.
Yes Sean we tried to forget several of these...thank you for reminding us...
When I first saw Threshold I was actually happy that a sci-fi show finally realized evolution is not progression. (They still treated it as metamorphosis though, and the scenario.leading to a sentient species evolving that way assumes no suitable materials to make tools from). Yes it was lame, however it actually realized evolution is not progression and humans do not become almost as silly big brained psychics or energy beings.
If they’d done Move Along Home season 4 or later we could’ve seen Worf singing and skipping, then it would’ve been everyone’s favorite.
5:52 While I was watching this scene from "Plato's Stepchildren" my next-door neighbor came in and yelled at me. "What are you doing sitting here watching this garbage instead of mowing my grass?"
“Precious Cargo” is an episode I’ve always actually liked. It’s a harmless romantic comedy. I enjoyed it the first night it aired and I enjoy it now. What’s the big deal? It’s similar in tone to “Elaan of Troyius,” another much-reviled episode of TOS that I happen to enjoy a lot. In both cases, a beautiful feisty princess fancies a stubborn alpha male-oh what a crime!
Also, not that I particularly like “Spock’s Brain,” I don’t. But it’s interesting to note that recent advances in brain surgery and neural science actually renders this silly episode not quite as implausible as it initially seemed.
Paris pulling out his tongue reminds me of when I pulled out my dead big toenail, though not at all gooey. It was upsetting to see my poor bruised toenail bed. It was a year before it grew back enough to cut again and a few more years before it was the same again.
My big problems wasn't just that Crusher was boinking a ghost candle, but that THIS was her last big episode.
I don't understand why there is so much hate for the people of Fair Haven! Sure, the first time was more about Janeway finally getting a man and then changing him. But the second time where they become aware of what they are? BEAUTIFUL! What a First Contact to watch unfold!
I actually like what they were doing with "These are the Voyages..." just not the TNG aspect of it. I think it would've been a great episode without it.
here's how i would have ended Enterprise -- cut out ALL the TNG stuff ... super easy ... then at the end ... as Archer is walking up to the podium to give the inaugural and historic first speech creating the UFP he walks past a reflective surface and we as the audience catch a glimpse of someone who looks nothing like the Captain Archer we were used to ... as he reaches the microphone we hear him utter the famous words of Doctor Samuel Beckett "oh boy!" ... his image shifts from negative to positive in color and we fade to a black screen in the middle of which is a white glowing rectangle ... hologram 'Al' appears briefly in the light and before it dissolves you can clearly see him tapping something into his PADD 'Ziggy' ... we then get a pre credits text scroll that simply says some thing like: "and this time ... with this leap Doctor Samuel Beckett finally returned home" ... fade to credits
@@sinswhisper9588 two birds, one stone.
@@sinswhisper9588 Al DID appear in 1 ep!
The concept would've mad a great one off "Ratings Sweeps Week" Episode, just not the finale. It could've even been used to show how what people in the 24th Century thought about "canon" wasn't always the spot on truth.
@@DMSProduktions but not as Al. He appeared in Stargate, too, as a baddie...
"These are the Voyages" may have been the final episode of Enterprise, it was "A Night in Sickbay" that killed the show. That pile of drek is easily the worst episode of Enterprise, and is #2 in my list for worst episode of ST ever, with "Code of Honor" being #1. Even though seasons 3 and 4 of Enterprise recovered a little bit, the damage was done.
Code of Honor, yes that was embarrassing!
Don't remember 'A Night in Sick Bay' have to look it up
Really? That episode? That episode hurt you this badly? That episode nearly killed star trek for you? Grow up
I love Rios in the pimp hat! 😁
I don't get why people have trouble with Stardust City Rag. It was high time Star Trek acknowledged that some acts/things are so heinous that they can't be forgiven, vengeance is not always a bad thing and some people do indeed need killing. One just needs to engage in them sparingly. Doing so does not make one evil.
...And now bc of how you refer to the episode "Sub Rosa", I've got that groundskeeper with the bad Scottish accent saying "Doo nah f*** the candle!" over and over again in my head.
Sometimes I'm frustrated that animated series rarely makes it onto these lists. I thought for sure that THE INFINITE VULCAN - the one where one of Khan's fellow dictators clones Spock and makes him 20 feet tall - would have warranted a mention at least.
Probably because, while more mature than most animated outings at the time due to having TOS writers on the show, TAS was still Saturday Morning fare and thus needs to be graded on a curve most of the time compared to the rest of Trek's outings.
@@CMWaters I very much disagree. TAS was a sharply written program with many episodes on par with TOS, written by the original writers, and having serious ambitions and emotional heft. Many episodes were, after all, left over from pitches and scripts for TOS. I rank Yesteryear alone as one of the finest episodes in the history of all Trek. It’s one of the most consistent series in the franchise, a few silly episodes aside, and its quality as a whole is dramatically superior to TOS Season 3 (which did got mentioned and didn’t get graded on a curve).
I enjoyed Stardust City. Star Trek has been a favorite show of mine for 35 years, and I'm so glad I watched Picard without these hateful "fans." There have been haters since TOS (season 3 was less than loved, and some hard-sci-fi fans thought Star Trek itself was rubbish). I remember a spiteful fan who hated everything after TNG Season 1 and the first motion picture! DS9, Voyager, Enterprise, and each movie had it's share of haters.
6:25 In the immortal words of the late great Billy Barty, the term is "LITTLE PERSON"!!!!!!
8:35 I always loved and always will love "Move Along Home", period!
Most people were hostile to the discovery episode If Memory Serves. But it was my favorite episode of Discovery. You understand the values of the Talosians better and seeing Veena again was great.
Almost done rewatching Enterprise, I’ll be skipping These Are The Voyages
" Brain, Brain,?............What is Brain ?".
Dumbest question in Star Trek.
Watch it, but watch it before the second to last episode/two parter. These Are The Voyages is fun (despite a completely ridiculous and unnecessary character death), but it’s a bad finale. The second to last episode is a good finale. I’m positive people wouldn’t be all aboard the hate train if this was just a random mid-season episode.
“Computer: remove the clothing of all characters, and emphasise the scenes with Hoshi, T’Pol, and/or Archer. Command override: Riker-0-6-9-Alpha.”
I always skip that episode. I have seen it once, and that was enough!
@@BirthquakeRecords if they did it as a special tv short or something, i would agree. But jamming it into the main enterprise episodes was just offensive. Enterprise deserved a better finale.
Fair Haven and Spirit Folk?? LOVED BOTH EPISODES!!!!
Same here! Janeway has a boyfriend who malfunctions, Kim's girlfriend becomes an actual cow, the Doctor is hypnotised, Irish Charm from great extras and Holodeck Mayhem; what's not to love?! :)
I unironically love more than half of these episodes, tbh.
same, the only ones on the list i hated where , Justice and "these are the voyages" , there way worse episodes like Voyagers "The Fight"
I’ve honestly never understood the hate for “These are the voyages”. I get that it’s not the greatest ending to the series, but it’s not the episodes fault that the show was cancelled. If it had of been nestled snugly in the middle of season 4 and without the need to add a big finale style death of a main character, I think most would remember it as a fun crossover.
Seeing Riker take over the role of the every mysterious chef was one of my favourite Star Trek moments of all time.
I was just a teenager when Sub Rosa came out and I loved it, what can I say. I have no excuse, I was hormonal and I didn't care how off the chain it was. I still love this episode. It's total cheese and I am here for it! I will die on this hill!
Aww! I love Move Along Home. It's daft and it knows it. We need the odd stupid episode every now and then. If we could have some silly episodes in the new stuff I'm sure I'd enjoy it more.
it always struck me as a campy tos episode but in ds9 when trek as a whole took itself more seriously
I don't. If I want silly, I'll go watch a comedy show. I'm not a fan of "The Trouble with Tribbles" or "A Piece of the Action" either.
Sean...... thank you for another great video and I hate you for making me remember that song......... ahhhhhhh!
Plato's Stepchildren will always be my favorite TOS episode, because it was the first TOS episode I ever saw.
There is one episode which I think should have been number one: Star Trek: The Next Generation, episode 3 “Code of Honor” for its stereotypical racial theme and negative depiction of African culture.
Nah. We don't "love to hate it." We just hate it.
There are some episodes that don't make it on the worst of lists because they no longer exist. Hello, _Code of Honor,_ _Turnabout Intruder,_ and _The Alternative Factor_
@@dangerkeith3000 Absolutely!!!
In all honesty there are some cultures, mainly non-african ones that I'm aware of, that are extremely similar to the one portrayed in that episode. Whether or not it is actually a good idea to put even an accurate representation on TV is another question entirely.
Fair Haven and Spirit Folk are my favorite episodes from that season as that season sucked but they were a bright spot.
I really liked "Stardust City Rags". It gave me a nostalgic feel of older cornier Star Trek episodes. And i loved Seven being a badass in it. :-P
Also, "These are the Voyages..." is not so much of an Enterprise episode as a lost episode of TNG? And that is supposed to be a bad thing? :-P
As a Welsh person, I am so glad that Paramount have never heard of Wales.
I would really hate to have seen an episode where Welsh people were stereotyped the same way as Irish people have been throughout Star Trek's run, between "Up The Long Ladder," "Fair Haven," and "Spirit Folk."
4. Justice. You missed how utterly incompetent Tasha Yar was. In the beginning she states that the inhabitants' laws and customs are pretty straightforward and nothing out of the ordinary, yet she completely misses that every crimes has death penalty.
I liked Fair haven myself. I did like the Towns Folk and how Janeway centric focusing on her as a person. It tackled what would be a real issue for a captain stranded so far away from home. No matter how high your rank you still have basic human needs and instincts. One of those of course is the human desire to seek a partner. Crewman are not just unethical to date but it's also a line she wasn't really willing to cross being so held to her principles. (she come to bend some of them but besides the point) Be it fantasy she taken her own fantasy and derived a bit of happiness otherwise seeming impossible. Though ethically questionable to modify the behavior patterns and delete the wife. Still she had to face these needs driving her behavior and the hologram gave a perfect outlet. That little romance arc was quite enjoyable to me. Though I don't fault you for disliking Irish stereotypes.
Spirit Folk I just love when the guy was complaining about the alcohol having no bite and Worf replicated him some War Nog.
I don’t care what anyone says about spok’s brain, I like it. It’s not a top favorite but still a good episode. Sub Rosa needs to be wiped out of existence!
I love Spock's Brain! It's fun! Especially the whole Morg/Imorg thing! 😆 As a child this episode scared me to death! Imagine, stealing a whole brain!
I love Plato's Stepchildren
Move Along Home is sooo good. Massive points for being fun and different. The Way to Eden is priceless, in retrospect. Hated it, didn’t like it too much first tine I watched it as a child. So great as an adult. Star Trek V, the best Star Trek movie, is a re-telling of ‘The Way to Eden’ by the way.
Thank you so much for talking about threshold. It's one of my favourite so bad it's good episodes of voyager. Voyager gets way to much flack but it's honestly my favourite star trek series.
The horrible final episode of "Enterprise" was also bad due to the very obvious aging of Frakes and Sirtis. Both actors were referencing an episode of TNG that was filmed when they were noticeably younger.
No mention of “A Night in Sickbay” or “Code of Honor”?
They're the other kind of bad.
Those have no redeeming qualities
I was absolutely fine with Seven becoming a cold blooded killer. She used to be Borg and Icheb was basically like a son to her. The part I didn't like was near the end of the episode when she apparently let the bad guys get away with mutilating him and causing his death.
I remember turning to my wife and saying "This is bullshit. There is no way in hell Seven would just walk away. I mean, really? The closest thing she has to family is brutally taken away from her and she's just sort of okay with it?"
Then she asked to borrow a couple of phasers, beams back in and lays waste to the place.
Hell...yes.
I am constantly hearing people say they hate "These are the voyages". However, I'm not sure anyone has really explained why in a way that makes sense to me. I understand that any form of "oh it was all a dream" style writing is immediately derisive, but in a universe where something like the Holodeck exists, I think it makes all of the sense in the world. I actually thoroughly enjoyed the episode, enjoyed almost all of Enterprise, actually.
I think many want their shows to be somehow "real" and the holodeck destroys their illusion, that Tripp "really" died doesn't help but as mentioned that's "fixed" in the novels, and the fact that makes it better for them kinda confirms that hypothesis.
I actually enjoyed move along home it's one of my favorite episodes of season 1
The Fair Haven episodes (in my mind) are a far sight better than whatever that holonovel Janeway was playing early on was, the one where she was to be a nanny to the Lord's children.
Seven getting justice for the dissection of her son forcing her to mercy kill him is anything cold blooded, that was very warm blooded and extremely justified to atone for Ichebs death and to protect other recovered Borg from suffering the same fate.
I love Sub Rosa for the all to brief glimpse of Gates McFadden's legs. I'm a simple man.
YES, She was Very Sexy in it, She looks gorgeous in it, showed her great legs (Although Dixon hill in season 1 also showed her glammed up with her legs out) especially her hair and the episode actually brought out her eyes, the whole thing was a nod to Hammer Horror films of the 1960s
and now that damn song is stuck in my head again...thanks...
One of the things I really disliked about Spock's Brain is that if you look at it abstractly, you can convince yourself that the writers were trying to say that men and women need each other. But what it comes off as is fear of girls. Enterprise has an episode with a similar problem although the intended message was different.
I like Move Along Home. I think that's because I accept that it's not about Sisko, Kira or any of those guys. They're just there for the plot. What it's about is Quark and Odo and I like that. Quark begging for the lives of the other people even though that's not really in Ferengi ethics is something I like a lot.
I wrote a paper for an Irish Lit class that tore Up The Long Ladder and Fair Haven apart for their portrayals.
Star Trek TNG: Berates Geordi for falling in love on the holodeck.
ST Voyager: Captain Janeway falls in love on the holodeck.
@@jasonbourneistreadstone they didn't berate geordie for falling in love on the holodeck. They berate him for using a real person taken from the personnel files to make a diagnostic program then messing with it so he could have a romantic relationship then expecting the real world woman to be like his fantasy and being a bit of a creep around her then having a bad reaction when she is nothing like his holofantasy.
Move Along Home or "The Crystal Maze" episode I liked, These Are The Voyages that I'm sorry to say is not good in the slightest! "apart from adding depth to the TNG episode" If I was stranded with a crew in the distant Delta quadrant and had a Holodeck bound to create a program that they could all use. Again it's not a bad episode "or chain of episodes" and so no hate from I. What I hated if anything was how Star Trek : Voyager nerfed up the big bad of Star Trek by turning the Borg into the alien of the week.
Fairhaven shouldn't be on this list. It's a GREAT episode
Whoever was the costume designer for TNG apparently hated men. Civilians always showed up in some boat necked TJ Maxx looking garbage in pastel colors. It always made me want to scream 'for god's sake don't they have collars in space??'. You could take any outfit and put it into either a Richard Simmons or Jane Fonda workout video. Okay, sorry rant over.
Sub Rosa:Ronin and Beverly are in a cemetery and the gravestones are for McFly and Vader, LoL
I am legitimately surprised that "I, Mudd" didn't make this list. It's as hysterically awful as any episode listed here but still somehow entertains. Another one would be "The Way To Eden" with the wonderful Charles Napier as a guitar strumming hippie, complete with a Spock+hippies jam sesh. TrekCulture, you kids dropped the ball this time my friends.
I really liked Precious cargo, & Spock's brain despite some of the hate they get.
As an Irish American who actually knows the difference between the different regional accents of Ireland (Cork, Kerry, Dublin, Belfast, Donegal, ect.) It actually really bugs me when Actors try to do an Irish accent but always roll their R's like a Northerner while also stretching their E's like a southerner or worse sound like a concussed Scotsman....
Did u have to mention the DS9 song!!! I’ll never get it out of my head!!!😱
"These are the voyages" from Enterprise is NOT necessarily bad. I would like it as a series finale if the holodeck TNG angle, if it was just AN episode of season four that did LOTS of experimenting it would be fine. But as a final episode, done the way it is I can't really enjoy it. Was that really how they handled all that stuff for real? This is set up after-the-fact by a holodeck programmer after all.
Also it placed that icky thought in my mind that "is the entire run of Enterprise Rikers way of working out his final desision?" They certainly mentioned "chef" a lot when we never saw him. So no, the episode is fine, good stuff all around I feel. It is just... Why? ;-)
Finally someone else who doesn't hate Fairhaven and Spirit Folk! I thought Fairhaven was fun and Spirit Folk was hilarious
7:36 Nana Visitor called "Move along home" as herbest DS9 Episode ever... at the end of "What we left behind"
So, who are we, to be against her opinion?
As a Trekkie/Trekker & wrestling fan, just immersing yourself in the silliness makes things better :)
i agree with all except first place! i loved those episodes! :P everything hologram related was what made voyager good :P