Will the New Tesla Truck Be A Game Changer? - Stavros969
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- Will the New Tesla Truck Be A Game Changer?
Thursday November 16th at 8:pm in LA, Elon Musk from Tesla revealed their new electric truck. A very sleek looking truck with a central driving position, boasting very quick performance figures for a truck, and savings of up to 20% over a diesel powered truck. With Tesla now entering the truck manufacturing business has Elon Musk got what it takes to take on the big names in trucking. It will be interesting to see if it delivers on it's promise. I'll be watching this one with interest.
Tesla also revealed a new Roadster Sports Car to the surprise of the audience, when it drove out from the back of one of the trucks.
The performance statistics of this new roadster are amazing, 0-60 mph in 1.9 seconds, 0-100mph in 4.2 seconds, and the quarter mile is covered in 8.9 seconds. Sounds like it's going to be a very fast car for sure, and with an electric range of 620 miles. I'd love to take it for a test drive.
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It is not 1000 Roadsters total, it is 1000 special edition roadsters. The normal roadster wont have a production cap.
You have got to be kidding me. There are *actually* people in the comments here, *actually* saying that the Tesla truck is worse because it “looks bad”?! Fucking seriously? Those specs, those safety features, the pollution free possibilities and you’re going purely off of aesthetics?! To judge what is actually one of the better looking trucks I’ve ever seen?
The only valid reason anyone wouldn’t want the Tesla truck over any other polluting planet killer is down to sheer stubbornness. Can not wait to be in the clean, efficient, pollution free future when you stubborn old petrol/diesel heads are long in the ground.
Your Nightmare its the battle of old school humans vs new generation humans. Same thing happen when ford came out then everyone else. Its life
All the one sentence emotional comments are bots from the oil industry - except this one!
Your nightmare
Im glad you said it, cause' i had the exact same rant lined up in my head and ready to go.
These dudes are nothing but frightened retards, their comments the equivalent of hunched-over primitives jabbing at the sky with a stick when they see lightning.
Electric propulsion is the (vastly superior) future, and this is coming from a guy that drives a 6.0 PSD Excursion.
The Scania looks like a shitty refrigerator next to the Tesla semi.
and tesla didnt make it look like that only becouse they thought yea lets make an ugly truck, i mean they made it look like that becouse there is a reason, as for making less air resistance
The following sub-systems are *NOT* needed on an electric truck:
fuel tank, fuel pump, fuel filter, oil pump, oil filter, timing belt/chain, starter motor, flywheel, clutch, 18 different gear ratios, exhaust manifold, catalytic converter, silencer, high-temperature cooling system, radiator, prop shaft, differential.
Brainbuster hey that’s my list! But thanks for re-sharing. It was when I saw a rolling Tesla (car) chassis in one of their retail showrooms that the light bulb came on for me; a big battery, small(ish) motors but not much else. Ford have publicly stated they would need a lot less space (and labour) to assemble EV’s because of this simplicity. This follows into the life time ownership; not only less components/systems in the first place, but simpler devices that are not trying to wear each other down with metal to metal friction (pistons in a cylinder) so more reliable, less servicing. Equals lower total cost of ownership.
Well, there is a radiator. It just stabilizes tempertures for the battery pack to remain between 35° and 95° F instead of 200° and 500° F on a diesel. If operating temperatures on the EV drivetrain were to exceed 135° F, it could potentially be damaged. Below 200° F and the diesel wouldn't even start.
spark plugs, oil, rods, pistons, cams, water pumps, glow plugs. we could be here all day
+Mark Garnett Yes, I appreciate it. Yours was a paragraph within a long reply (a good one) within a different thread; this paragraph you wrote grabbed my attention and needed to be seen by more people I thought.
Brake pads...
11:15 Drag coefficients for sedans are typically
Thanks
Lieutenant Silver -- Ah. So large ICE motors are inefficient drags on performance and fuel economy with diminishing returns for their cost. Thanks. I'm pretty sure that is precisely why Tesla exists.
+redxsage -- Well, they are inefficient drags on top speed. That's why cars with smaller displacement engines often run surprisingly fast compared to their higher-spec versions. But EVs' aero doesn't necessarily benefit as they also need intercoolers for their motors and battery packs. And those can have a similar size, too because given the same airstream it's easier to lose heat with a steep temperature decline spanning hundreds of °C than cooling electric components that only go up to ≈200°C or so. But I don't remember the c-value of the Model S of the top of my head.
You kind of have it right. The additional need of cooling does add to drag on sports cars but that is not the main reason. The reason is because drag is intentionally added for downforce. It's a fine line between wanting the air to pass over the car and wanting the air to push the car down onto the ground. Track focused cars have some of the worst cD around because they are built to push the cars down onto the ground. That's why F1 cars have cD that are in the range of 0.7-1.1. A Bugatti has awful cD because it hits such high speeds it needs a ton of downforce to keep it stable at those speeds.
There will be issues at the beginning. No doubt. But in time, people will wonder why they ever had diesel trucks.
not really because they are currently the best thing available. what other reason do you need.
Why would they do that? You do realise diesel trucks are still the only trucks right now and they were used to built Teslas factories. Do ignorant people like you "wonder" why we ever had steam locomotives?
SO O so true
Why? Because they are convenient.
Shermingtan its a figure of speech. Of course diesel and steam engines were a stepping stone. But that’s all they are. Talk about ignorant.
0.38dc is not strange. The Chiron needs a lot air intakes for cooling the W16 and the giant breaks. Also a lot of downforce to keep the car stable at really high speeds.
Exactly. Also, the semi will still generate much more drag than the Chiron because its frontal area is much larger. Still impressive though!
Even the old Opel calibra from 90`s had dc of 0.26
Tesla understands cD. The Model 3 has the lowest cD of any production car on the road today at 0.23. Semi's are giant boxes that have awful cd. Sports car also have poor cD because drag is sacrificed for downforce. An F1 car has a 0.7-1.1 cd range as it is all about downforce. He could have alternatively said a Chevy Tahoe has a 0.39 cD but it doesn't sound as cool. Semi trucks tend to have cD's that range from 0.6-1.0.
Ross Rubman not because of downforce but for engines need air. If you have 6.0 v8 twin turbo you need a fuck ton of air to keep it cool and running.
You should do yourself a favor and learn about aerodynamics. An F1 car has a cD of 0.7-1.0(2-3X that of any car on the road) depending on the track and they run a 1.6L turbo V6. The drag is caused by the many wings used for downforce plus the open wheel design causes additional drag. The downforce is so intense on the cars that they had to create a Downforce Reduction System (DRS) to help them go faster on the straights and allow for more passing.
Dude Elon has build space-ships with re-usual first stage . So i won't bet money against him.
Tesla Cars has seen its fair share of checkered press in the times since you posted this comment, especially with investigative journalism, and I guess Elon wants to harness the power of the Earth's core because he can't seem to put the shovel down...
Dude, it wasn't Elon but thousands and thousands of aerospace engineers. Granted, he provided the money.
The future is coming and this is a glimpse. How long until the belly of the trailer has supplemental batteries to lower the center of gravity and increase range? How about the trailer receiving a charge while being loaded or unloaded and the roof having solar cells? What about a modular cab arrangement for left, center, or right hand drive at the convenience of the operator? I know I'd love to be able to park a truck by seeing out the other side just as well. The looks may not be as attractive yet but modern trucks are as aerodynamic as a wall and Elon is onto something huge. I can see local delivery routes using these for city deliveries where they're silent and clean and far from obtrusive. Serious thumbs up!
Eventually well work out how to make the Entire Skin of the Truck and Trailer out of Solar Cells and incorporate Flat HD cameras that are temperature compsentated. Making the seat slide to the Extreme Left or Right is easy, get rails. but the Instruments will be a challenge. No Mirrors and a Flat bottom make the Tesla Truck a Bullet on the Road.
Good point, I like your thinking. Trailer rental companies can offer that as an option for increased rental (if indeed saving 30 mins once a day is worth the increased rental). If not, then the tractor-only batteries will suffice.
Kenny C majority of loads are trailer lifts, drops to ferries and picked up on the other side by another tractor unit. Putting battery packs in the trailers isn’t a good home for it. Majority of braking is provided by the trailer. The tractor unit has trash can lids for brakes. Trailers the brakes. 20% saving can be attained and there will now be a push from existing manufacturers to take this on. D
yea i thought the same thing, solar roof on the truck would be good and well yea on the car to... btw instead of getting solar cells and put up on the roof, u can save a bit longer and get teslas solar roof
www.tesla.com/sv_SE/solarroof?redirect=no
I don’t get why people still doubt Elon. He literally owns a rocket company.
Betting against new things is human nature. With short memories and mad denial skills nobody ever pays for their mistakes unless they are "public figures". New things fail all the time. People trust what works. Good enough for my father is good enough for me, mentality. Basically humans are about as smart as cows most days. ;)
Teh King is tesla putting rockets on trucks ???
Teh King,.a rocket company kept afloat by tax dollars. A car company with sales supported by tax dollars. A company that is burning through cash at a prodigous rate and cannot figure out how to meet the production rate they promised. That is why some people doubt Tesla.
i dont think you understand how corporate expansion works.
"Betting against new things is human nature" Meh. I usually jump for the new things because I know too well how stuck people get. So that doesn't really seem to be my nature.
remember that show alaskian truckers ...no more cold starts
nice troll channel robert back farts
he is right batteries lose massive amounts of efficiency at cold temperatures
Yeah...that's why no Norweigians are buying them.
I would also like to see an electric car start after sitting for 10 year?Possible with only investing 50$ don't think so,while with a petrol/diesel vehicle i can easily do it for 20$!!!
Norway is the country with most Tesla's per capital.
He can make the claim on the million mile breakdown bc it has less moving parts in it then a traditional truck does. Remember that a semi has pulleys that tension and move via use of belts your alternator, water pump etc.., you have the camshaft inside the engine, you have pistons moving up and down, the fan itself to cool the radiator, so lots of moving parts which are prone to break down. Non moving parts wouldn't have those issues as much. Even in computers they use SATA drives instead of the old spinning disks and are way more efficient.
Sen4t0rLP Yes less moving parts meanwhile the Model X is the most unreliable car out there and I expect this truck to be just as much of a shit box. Also SATA (serial ATA) is just the interface that hard drives use to communicate with the CPU, hard drives still have moving parts that do break! What you are referring to are called SSDs and they too can still break!
The Tesla battery required also heavy cooling^^
One would think so and yet Tesla cars are languishing at the very bottom of reliability reports. It really takes some doing to massively reduce the number of moving parts while also making something less reliable but that's exactly what Tesla has achieved.
L0v0lup the battery does need cooling but as far as I know the fluid does not need replacing very often (certainly lasts more than 3 years when used in cars) and it’s not like they are getting super hot (unlike combustion engine which is so inefficient there is loads of excessive heat to dissipate- hence big grill on current trucks). It’s just another example of something that will last longer, cost less to service and less likely to break on an electric vehicle (verses traditional engine)
It would be know the service schedule and content for these 600,000 miles and what is expected for the Tesla. For comparison, on my (car) EV the only serviceable components are a new air filter for the cabin and bag of dampness absorbing crystals for the battery pack. Everything else is inspect only as there is nothing to service! Believe the battery coolant will need changing at year 4. Brake pads and discs get so much less wear with re-gen braking that they are expected to last "for ever". My previous car (diesel) required cambelt, water pump and gearbox oil changes that were surprisingly expensive.
The 1,000,000 miles is to give you confidence, the actual real-world savings (service cost and down time reduced) will be the big savings verses traditional combustion engine.
Sure we can expect some reliability issues in early days, but its so much simpler to swap out an electric motor compared to an engine/clutch/gearbox, even the worse case break-down will be relatively quick to resolve and Tesla have a good reputation for doing just so.
Drivers dont buy trucks so the bottom line is what matters.
theodopoulos Who said drivers will buy it? Trucking company will. LOL!!!!!!
Jek A thats what he mean
But we drive them so crashing because we can't see the trailer edge going to be a mess
Yes they do. Drivers that has been in the business for a decade or two often buying a truck.
80% of drivers own the truck
This was a good video, it seems to me one of your main concerns is whether Tesla can deliver on it's promises. Tesla has talked a lot about autonomy so I'm guessing they'll have loads of monitoring around the truck, so you shouldn't need to lean out of that window.
VW, BMW and other established car manufacturers take 3 to 5 (or more) years to develop a completely new car from prototype to production. Tesla showed us the Model 3 prototype in 2016 and in 2017 they are already on the streets. So the truck to be in production in 2019 (so 2 or 3 years) is very feasible. Especially given Elon Musk achievements in the last 15 years: PayPal, Space X, Tesla, etc...
And what cars sell better? have good quality? happy customers? dont cost a fortune?
Yep; partly due to Elon's drive/enthusiasm, his refusal to accept industry "norms" and partly because there are a lot less systems to be engineered on an electric vehicle. Consider the following major sub-systems all NOT needed on an electric car or truck: fuel tank, fuel pump, fuel filter, oil pump, oil filter, timing belt/chain, starter motor, flywheel, clutch, 18 different gear ratios (EV's dont even have a reverse gear as the motor polarity is reversed instead), exhaust manifold, catalytic converter, silencer, high-temperature cooling system, radiator (hence no need for grills on the front), prop shaft, differential. Sure there are some extra systems to manage the battery, charging and motor control but these are all solid-state (no moving parts) and Tesla already has many years experience making smaller versions for cars. For those of you who are new to Tesla, they continuously update the software controlling many of these systems so owners of 3+ year old cars are still receiving period over-the-air updates that improve the vehicle - some are convenience features but some improve performance too. So even an early delivered truck will get better during its working life!
Vw, and BMW don’t take $10000 deposits either
On the Tesla Website: 150k$ for the 300-mile version and 180k$ for the 500-mile version.
Exciting times.
I assumed the price would be nearer 1 million and the running cost savings would be the winner, but it's actually only a little more expensive that the model S and less than the new Roadster!
Fuck knows how they are managing it.
The battery is 1GWH! Fuck know how long it would take to charge that at home!
+Marc Brown 1 Megawatt Hour i believe is the correct figure, 1 gigawatt hour would be pretty awesome though.
1 GW would be the output of a nuclear power plant...
1MW is the output of a Wind turbine.
So you have a relation to these numbers. and a Megawatt Hour just means releasing/storing 1MW over an hour.
are those figures normal for a semi truck? (I have no idea)
The first produced trucks will be used by Tesla and SpaceX for sure for some time, for the reason you have mentioned to iron out all possible problems. In the same way they gave the first model 3s to the company employees who live in CA.
Erwin Usman wow, you’re not a dumbass
This guy reinvents markets, not adjusts to them . The market will change .
Your fossil truck took so much development because a fossil vehicle has so much more crap in it and has to meet emissions requirements. You have combustion, transmission, emissions, sensors, etc. Most of what is done in an electric can be done with software and developed and used from other electric vehicles and carried over. It is much easier to design and electric and it has far fewer moving parts. Almost none really. Your truck has thousands of moving parts. Fossil vehicles are dinosaurs and are unnecessarily complicated.
hehe
Ari P treehugger. Imagine this: it is 2030, tesla is the king of everthing, elon musk is world president. Then tesla and all of its vehicles and associates are hacked. But the few surviving has vehicles remain.
These ugly batteries in wheels are hackable
Also trucks are made for torque not for posing, all that stuff is in there for a reason.
The engine (combustion) is there for it is the easiest way of making torque and power.
Transmission is to keep the vehicle efficient. And to reduce wear in the engine by making it rev lower while giving more power.
Everything is there for a reason.
How would one electric motor produce so much torque and HP (and heat) while at the same time he efficient?
Won't the amount of friction in the motor make it heat up and overheat / melt the motor?
Also, a simple machine isn't all that good when it comes to tech. The computer or phone or whatever is complicated. The human body is complicated. A lot of things are complicated.
There are reasons why.
Simple machines are probably not as high quality as complicated machines.
So don't say our trucks have crap. You are crap here
Ari P true
Woah there! Are our cars hackable??! We better get the tin foil hats so we don't get hacked as well!!!
But honestly, "The engine (combustion) is there for it is the easiest way of making torque and power", that is not "kinda" wrong, it is straight up false. you have little to no idea how an electric motor works "How would one electric motor produce so much torque and HP (and heat) while at the same time he efficient?
Won't the amount of friction in the motor make it heat up and overheat / melt the motor?".
An electric motor simply utilizes a few magnets mounted to a rotor being pushed around by 3-6 coils (in a three-phase AC motor like the one in the Tesla) inside of the stator with an alternating polarity, thus the motor only has one moving part and there is little to no loss in energy as a result of friction. One of the main reasons it heats up (doesn't heat up a lot unless overloaded or improperly cooled.. or at all) is because of the internal resistance in the coils, but it is still nowhere near the amount of energy lost to friction inside an internal combustion engine.
A diesel engine, for example, may contain over 500 different parts, all of them are suspect to wear and tear. I'm not going into the construction of either of the engine types, especially the "Easiest way of making power and torque" engine. since this is getting long, and it feels like I have fallen victim to a troll. Either way, I gotta sleep now.
oh, i just gotta give you credit for your "attention to detail"; "Also, a simple machine isn't all that good when it comes to tech. The computer or phone or whatever is complicated. The human body is complicated. A lot of things are complicated.
There are reasons why." gotta love the grammar and philosophical mindset of your text. It's Truly heartwarming XD
oh and here's some info backing what I told you, I would recommend reading it, it's actually pretty interesting =) :
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_motor
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_S
Pokeman Paul
You do know that electric motors produce a LOT more torque than internal combustion engines right? Don't take my word for that--there is a reason locomotives use diesel electric motors. Giant cargo ships as well. Electric motors just crush combustion engines in torque. Essentially every single thing you say about torque is incorrect. Combustion engines have transmissions because they have terrible torque compared to an electric motor and require all those RPM to make any torque.
Second point. Modern diesel trucks have computers and sensors etc. and are just as susceptible to "hacking".
If you like diesel you can keep driving a diesel. If other people want an electric they now have that option.
Unless it's already on your channel, it'd be neat to see you doing a 0-60 empty and with a load / trailer just so we can really gauge how much of a difference there is compared to Tesla's figures, for those of us who have no idea what driving a truck is like. ;)
I love your videos! I've met you a few times at different car shows. Super nice guy.
0-60 loaded in 20 seconds lol the load would end up on it's arse lol.
fastasfox landing on his ass is only when breaking, dude ;-)
so many people do not understand physics. talking to you fantasfox.
David Beppler says the guy who thinks seat belts don’t help in collisions... talking to you David Beppler
Of course, they simply made that blanket claim without actually testing load with speed. Because they're just a bunch of kids playing around and not a cluster of crackerjack engineers. Sure.
scaniaman2006 R620 u still don’t get it. U guys are pushing your load or pulling? 😂😉
submit this to Tesla... you have great points and not to mention experience driving these rigs. He has been told all his life that he can't he can't and I think it's human nature to question the genius. You sir, I think have an unparalleled perspective and Tesla should see this!! Cheers!
Tesla prices reported to be aprox: *$150k for 300 mile range, $180k for 500 range.* My understanding is that the outboard 'third' of each big screen will replace or augment mirrors via cameras....almost never should a driver want to 'stick their head out' they always rely on mirrors. (at least that's my experience in the US) I assume cams will also cover the blind areas around the sides and front of cab. Assuming well developed charging infrastructure the 'fueling', even for long haul, sounds to be much better with a Tesla than a traditional diesel truck because one simply plugs in an goes to lunch.
Great vid very informative. Tbh you'll never replace the roar of a V8 ever!!
Electronic motors are far more powerful than combustion engines ... also... this is just to get it started. The driver will be replaced within 4 years. Get a new job buddy and stop denying the reality that’s coming your way.
Drivers will not be replaced..its just 2 deadly and dangerous heavy machine to be left with out any supervisor ..even its full autonomy which is still far away there will be still human in the chair
Drivers will go, but not in 4 years, maybe 10 or maybe even 20 if legislation takes a long time.
But there is no doubt, drivers for trucking will go in the end.
Y’all are dumbasses straight up
Great ideas have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds...this WILL happen whether you like it or not, live with it guys!
We have the pricing on the trucks: 150.000USD for the 300mile range and 180.000 for the 500 mile range one.
I think your not quite on comparing diesel, but the electric industrial use of motors is well established including many of the core functions-I’m using a “bobtail” chassis for a motor home conversation.
It will probably park itself.
Robots will be cleaning the loading bays so you better start looking for that new profession.
A good and reasonable view. I think it'll be a seller for the relatively shorter truck journeys for the 1st round of sales.
If what they said at the presentation is true, then 80% of truck routes should fall under 250 miles, so that means that the vast majority of truck routes are shorter ones.
A note on drag coefficient: The Chiron frontal area is much smaller, so it is crab apples to grapefruit to compare it to the Semi. With the other super car you referenced there is probably a smaller but still significant difference to which the coefficient is applied. My guess is that the Buggati went with the smaller front profile, which meant its massive engine needed more drag inducing openings for its cooling circuits. Choice of the Chiron was no doubt influenced by its position atop the 'speed at any cost' mountain of hype.
Cd is drag divided by frontal area precisely so that shapes can be compared without regard to their size. Still, the Tesla Semi had a major disadvantage it had to overcome to better the Chiron number: the Semi is attached to a big boxy shape that cannot be changed by the aerodynamic engineer. Even so, they still beat the Chiron.
Can’t beat that sound Stavros.
Excuse the ignorance, but why do you need 2 axle trucks?
probably more wheel drive and more load axels can take
2 axels also provide more space for fuel. a 4 axle Scania holds approximately 1K liters of fuel while a 4 axle truck has only 500L of fuel capacity, effectively halving the range.
Also wheel loads are not that much different when comparing a 6 wheeled truck to a 4 wheeled truck due to increased trailer weights from being able to carry a heavier load on the 5th wheel.
Ben 1337 ahh I see, thanks. I suppose Tesla might release a two axle if it allowed a bigger battery, but I don’t think they’re targeting the long haul just yet. They could move 2 motors to the front wheels to keep the redundancy.
I'm not sure if these trucks are targeted for the European market
The reason I think this, is because there are tighter restrictions on how big the semi trucks are allowed to be compared to America which is why we have many of these cab over engine designs with mostly boxy designs.
The reason the box is used, was to minimize the amount of space the tractor unit was supposed to take up which would allow for more trailer space, to make the truck have more capacity within the limitations of the country they're going to drive in.
in America, you're allowed to have 53 ft trailers with a massive tractor unit, the UK's trucks are limited to around 44ft overall.
Ben 1337 Very interesting. That restriction will be a pain for Tesla though, given their need for aerodynamics. I’m sure they’ll figure something out!
Did you ever drive a Tesla Strav?
JD Transport Sadly not, only got a spin in one at the Isle of Man
You should do a video on that experience!!!
They keep catching fire over here in the states.
Felix Thecat that's such bs... point me to a story about a tesla catching fire where a high speed crash was not involved.
in 2015, the most recent year for which full stats were available, there were 174,000 reported car fires in the U.S.
None of of them involved a Tesla. I might have missed one.
If you're going to troll, Felix, you have to do better than that.
It appears that you love the sound of your truck, might I suggest that you make some recordings of the sound then re-play these wonderful sounds with you get a Tesla truck. Cheers Rick
Great video. Great to hear your thoughts on the semi.
The claims that has been put forth are just incredible. I would like to see it, but I am hesitant and an unbeliever at this point. I would hope to be proven wrong!
Perfectly understandable response. The proof will be in the execution.
For a start, imagine being able to pull a full load at speed through a neighborhood with strict noise abatement regulations. No problem.
Very nice video and informative and thank you for your work, the damn life of our countries.
Alternative Facts Survivor Thanks 👍
Interesting to hear a truckers perspective on the tesla semi
From what I've heard of the Roadster, it is the founders series that is limited to 1000 units.
Trock
nice trock there, i alsow driv a trock
lmao
the truck is well done by tesla
The drag coeficient is calculated from computer flow simulation, which is very complex and when done correctly yields great results
The center steering is actually a brilliant way to cut production cost: before you had to build seperate vehicles lifthand and righthand drive... with the center one... only 1 type
For all the naysayers. Name me one tractor out there that is supposed to do it all. You have to remember that Musk and Tesla has very different goals with their vehicles. They're not primarily out to take over and dominate the auto and truck industries. Musk has said in many interviews that he wants to give the manufacturing industry a swift kick in the ass to get it innovating, bringing the transportation industry to the next level. That's definitely not happening right now.
Tesla trucks are not a cure all for every problem with trucks. It's not supposed to dominate and take over the industry. It's supposed to raise the bar, get trucking manufacturers off their collective asses and into the 21srt century. I've heard Musk say that if another company can do it better that's great. As long as they're doing it.
Man!!! I hate lazy ass critics. No one is saying you can't criticize Elon or anyone else bu at least do the research man. First statement alone just threw me off. You won't need to stick out your neck in Tesla semi, I mean TF!!
Also by just saying something is ubelieveable to you doesn't make it less true. The man has singlehandedly cut down space travel by 80% even tho renowned astronauts like Amstrong said it was impossible. You think I would listen to a commentator over an actual physicist on this? LMAO!
I mean have you backed up a trailer before? When I learned to do it I wasn't allowed to dog-eye it like he suggested, we had to use mirrors, but even then I favored backing in favoring the angle on the driver side mirror. It's also a lot easier to judge a single side.
The center position makes more sense for a long haul truck as it would provide more room in the rear for the sleeper, seeing that this isn't a sleeper it is an odd decision not to have a side position for the driver. Driving through streets it is nice to be able to closely judge the one side, but again it's nothing but how you learned. The wing camera clusters are capable of keeping it in the lines with the driver assist, I've always had a mirror on the passenger door that looks straight down, I'm sure the camera clusters could do that and solve the narrow street problem.
But they are legitimate concerns, we don't know what those camera wings are good for and it's important to raise concerns now. Healthy skepticism is important, besides this guy is raising concerns but isn't flaming the idea like so many other trucker tubers.
+Sheriff You bring up some good points. Although I think if someone were learning, and wasn't used to driving in one position, the center mounted seat would be more intuitive as both sides are always the same distance from you.
The truck will back up to the dock without the driver doing anything. Will be 100% accurate and will take half the time without the dumb trucker missing the damn dock. I work shipping and smart capable truck drivers are far and few in-between.
Elon musk is a genius - it’s clear his truck isn’t designed with practicality in mind
Touch screens ? Why ? A lot of truckers have to wear gloves
All stav is doing is making comparisons mate - no need to be a prick is there
0-60 mph in 5 seconds?!! In a truck?? VERY strange and amazing at the same time. What times we live in.
For a semi , trouble starts between 400k and 600k .
Alternator, starter, air compressor, radiator, the computer controlling the motor.
All this shit happens costing a few thousand every time .
A tesla has fewer parts to fail.
Your truck is tiny... shitty looking... non aerodynamic, fuel drinking, old... well shit, honestly I could go on. Either way this vid will be the most popular 50 years from now. People will laugh.
Joe and Duke you’re a dumbass
Sauce Boss 420 why's that homie
u cant compare it to ur old pile is crap scania
That's literally the point; to compare it to it's rivals.
I think the Chiron drag co-efficient is high because with such a large engine it needs larger than usual radiators.... so it was picked deliberately to offer positive comparison.
Something else to mention about the Roadster is that these numbers are for the base model… Yes $200K is expensive, but most of the cars that compare to it's specs are more like $500K.
Thanks for a great video!
Thanks for the vid. To answer your question about the Bugatti, I think it has a worse drag coefficient because it’s designed to have a lot of downforce to help with performance. Kind of a silly comparison, but the Tesla semi still has an impressive drag coefficient given how huge the thing has to be.
The 0.36 drag coefficent means that if a Tesla semi was shrunk down to the size of a Bugati Charon (drag coefficent 0.38) it would have less air resistance. It doesn't mean the the Tesla Semi has less drag than a Bugati Charon
Fuel-Cells are the classic mainstay energy provider for a constant-speed long-haul drive.
This should make the cost-efficacy trick.
what do you say now when the price is official. 170-200k pretty compelling?
Hope you review it,when it is available,Stavros.
Would love to drive it AnnaAnnaYes
Stavros, no gears, no fuel pump no brake pads, 3 massive costs gone
I don't want to be rude but I think he don't know how capable 4 Electric motor. For the drag coefficient, you can see the design of Tesla truck is like bullet shape unlike your scania a rectangular shape that wiggles, of course those coefficient is being tested in their lab not just spit balling some numbers coz in EV efficiency is the key for longer range. And I think they know how to make trucks coz if you remember at the beginning of the event Gilbert Passin is the Manufacturing Expert opens the event and also have background on trucks.
An electric motor has a handful of parts. A diesel engine, plus transmission, plus differentials, has hundreds of parts. Engineering a new diesel truck is an insanely complex mechanical undertaking. Engineering an electric vehicle drivetrain is mostly a software issue. With the Tesla Semi, the electric motors have already been developed. And as far as the weight of the battery, the Tesla Semi has dispensed with 10,000 lbs of engine, transmission, driveshafts, differentials, and loaded fuel tanks. That leaves at least 10,000 lbs for a battery.
Kevin Polito you have some very good points there
if your complaining about the sound do what some sports cars do and have a speaker that will make it sound like a v8
He says "for working not showing" I disagree because if you have a machine that looks good and perform good they should not complain
you can charge with soler on the roof connected to a battery connected to a charger on the truck.
The drag coefficient on the bugatti is so high because of all the drag these spoilers produce to keep the car on the road
A lot of scepticism but still very objective and hopeful. Good video! Tons better than the trucker that FOX interviewed a while back. 😁
I do not know about scania but elon musk also runs spacex and they make very very reliable rockets I think that rockets are a little more complicated in a truck.
Fully loaded 0to60 20 sec ? You will need to charge double just to cover the tyre wear ?
helps that mr. musk has a seasoned professional truck designer on his staff and consulting with logistics companies from the beginning.
Increases in the cost of diesel and crude oil will literally kill ICE vehicles.
Electric can be cheaper than diesel now.
Now imagine the oil price shooting up again.
I know it's a minor issue but you make a good point. It will be great to get rid of that annoying diesel racket.
You can't say that he's rushing the truck to market, because you don't know how long it has actually been in development. He could have quietly been working on this for years.
Amazing to think a truck can travel so far on a charge. Very important for the future of transportation.
Man the guy shoots rockets into space. I don’t think trucking is all that hard for him.
Stavros969 what do you think of the anti-jackknife and other safety features?
I'm doubtful of this truck until someone can test what it is like (particularly range) with a 84 tonne GCM.
If you sit at the one end how do you stick your head out to see the other side?
If you can find the drag coefficient for an BMW X3 2018 then you can also find it for a Bugatti. Now we are talking about the BMW X3, the older model, 2017 has a drag coefficient of 0.36, the same as a Tesla Semi.
The truck will cost 150K to 180K USD (128,880 to 154,656 Euros)
Heard it's only 180k U.S. Dollars for the 500 mile range day cab. Obviously sleeper cabs would be more but the 300 mile range was 130k. So the pricing isn't bad and it supposedly pays for itself in 2 years and guaranteed for 1 million miles so I assume that's the warranty which most trucks are only 200k-400k miles so I think it's worth it if they get their own infrastructure in order so everyone would be able to use the truck.
Hello Stavros as always good videos. Now, in regard of the new Tesla yeah you got there, I am not sure how exactly this seat in the middle of the cab is gonna work, going forward I see no problem but going in reverse that is another story, tiny small street like in England, Japan well, but on the plus side, having the steering wheel in the middle then you don`t have to worry about driving this truck in countries like Japan or England as you know left driving side or right driving side that I think is a plus for Tesla, my other question is will Tesla offer day cab tractor for local delivery beverage I am sure you seen this truck in America they are very popular, any idea?
200 mph on Irish roads looking forward to seeing that
I also like cers
:P Couldn't hold it back, love your accent :D
Anyhow, so pumped to see if Tesla can deliver!! Where will the driver sleep? Will they make such models?
This guy has a voice that reminds me of Jacksepticeye. I'll call him TruckerJack
Really interesting living through one of the next huge changes how we move around going about our lives.
As a builder, the last three houses I built have had dedicated charging points installed in the garage, it's becoming normal.
Nice video!!
I don't really follow cars/trucks channels, but this guy is pretty cool. Subscribed.
The price as stated for the 2 models is $150K and $180K U.S. and the Roadster will not be limited to 1000, just the premiere model of it will.
Have you had a look at the nikola truck. 1200 mile on a single charge. Not fully electric but a lot more impressive
Suppose you want to look through the right window ? Isn't it better to be in the center ? Do you only look on the left side, and sqwish the kids and lamp posts on the right side ?
What is the tare weight of these vehicles? I like the video, Stavros has a healthy questioning attitude which is good because there seems to be a number of important questions that need answering here!
Tesla needs to get its Model 3 sold in the numbers it promised, given the cars are already paid for... if they cannot do that then they are finished as a company. This truck and the sportscar are just Tesla's way of getting more money in to solve their Model 3 production issues.
I am not say that electric is bad.
But if you drive truck you must consider the most common questions.
1 what about security? Adr loads with faulty batteries
2 low gear for maneuvers
3 engine brake
4 no moving parts ok but how the hell if you have a faulty you will repair it in the middle of nowhere with just common tools?
5 efficiency with what trailer?
We have overloads frigo tarpaulin
Logs which are different even with the same semi
Thanks, I enjoyed the vid. Personally I think Tesla will test their own trucks for a while. They move massive amounts of cargo back and forth between the Gigafactory in Nevada and the Fremont factory in California with a large mountain range separating the two so they might as well let their own truck drivers help find all the problems.
i think they actually have started to use their own truck now when they got it done so far
Now that they have done the unveiling and don't have to keep it secret any more they can test it out on the public highways and interstates and do all kinds of crazy stunts. It will be the same for the Roadster.
Elon's speech was for the USA truck market. Which in my opinion is years behind the trucks in Europe. The truck obviously will not be for the owner/operator who drive from the East Coast to the West Coast. The biggest draw for the new truck is that it will attract a lot of attention from truckers and drivers of 4-wheelers alike. Imagine the advertising possibilities if one of these new trucks was pulling a trailer with your company logo on it. I predict the trucks will sell starting out in California . Then expanding Eastward. Tesla's cars here are not sold in dealerships. They have failed many times trying to open car dealerships. I suspect they will encounter the same issue with this truck. But they can sell direct from their California location or something similar to that (due to legal constraints). The truck may not be a financial hit initially, but it draws attention for the need to improve the US truck market like no other truck can. And I think that is a good thing.
Tuan Nguyen -- Indeed, Tesla Semis will mostly be sold to corporate fleets that are on regional routes from distribution centers to big box stores and the like. But do not doubt that range will increase in time making their rigs perfect for cross country trips, with ranges from 800 to 1,200 miles and later to over 2,000 miles.
I think the rig is a small part of a larger picture. Tesla is going to be selling those charging stations. With industry and commercial buildings as locations, this opens up the possibility of using 480 volt 3 phase power not found in residential areas. Fast charging will need a huge factor. 800 to 1200 or even 2000 miles sounds great, but drivers are only allowed to drive 10 hours a day. Average 55 miles per hour and they will only travel 550 miles a day at most. Also truck brands will be taking a real close look at the batteries powering this new rig. And Tesla will be marketing those batteries for companies to buy and put into their own electrified rigs of the future.
Canada's largest food chain, Loblaws, just ordered a bunch.
Tesla will be the first customer. They will drive between Fremont,CA and Reno,NV
No noise! NIce!
First time watching this channel and I'm following. Cheeers!!
Stavros969 you are a legend
Nice video, well done.
Welcome to the future. It's first generation. It's only getting better. You sound nervous and you should be. Tesla underestimate all numbers. Time to sell your truck.
What makes you think they would make a 2 axle truck?