No, you're just an idiot. It's called bandwidth. And with more and more people getting more cell phones, and using up bandwidth, there won't be enough.
Supra Kooper this isnt true, the cost of 1 gb vs 1tb is exactly the same, paying for the amount of data you use is a shit metric they use to screw you guys out of more money, they need to put fiber in place throughout the US, to allow 10Gigabit transfers and utilize proper QoS. Rather than their current model.
No you are an idiot. They know expanding their bandwidth costs more than what they are getting from these ridiculously expensive unlimited data plans so the logical option to take is to shut them down. Its simple economics.
Adom Jonsen no its not "simple economics" allow me to inform you that these companies get tax breaks from our government to upgrade their infrastructure. Data costs $0 making data caps a pointless metric used to gain more money from the people. There is not a limited amount of "data" there is however a limited amount if speed that can be given out. No one person can use all of the bandwidth of the line due to QoS.
+DeadlyDragon I am gonna stop you on that one. There is indeed a cost to transmitting data; and yes, while tax breaks help with the cost of upgrading infrastructure, let me remind you that it's more then just "putting up more towers". Those towers need permits to go up, and also need a fiber line connection. Which means digging up the ground and laying one in. Which means getting MORE permits from whatever area you are in. That costs more money, that then goes back into the local government. Then, once you have the tower in place, you still need a data center to run all that information through. That means buying a building, probably in a city somewhere, setting it up to handle the hundreds of servers you need to setup, which is not cheap in the slightest, and then staff the place with some very high level techs. Because when something goes wrong, you need it fixed NOW, and guys like that don't come cheap (Full disclosure, I AM one of those guys. I know this stuff inside and out). Yes, we are all getting screwed on costs. Yes, there is a TON of profit overhead. But things are not free. Yes, texting does indeed take up what is generally "unused space". However, in a regular contact, that information is tagged as such, and not read by any of the systems. A text, however, is flagged differently, and processed through the system, then sent out to the recipient. That all takes up resources that could be used for other things. Thus, there is a cost involved. Not being a corporate shill, I just hate misinformation.
I'm an IT professional and worked with wireless companies before. You said Netflix is a well "established" company and they say it 1 cent per Gigabyte... well poor AT&T, Verizon, sprint, and T-mobile they are very small compared to Netflix... smh after initial infrastructure investment the cost of data is very very low, and in the US after Telecommunications Act of 1996 those companies have so many Tax breaks and benefits that the infrastructure should be laid in fiber optic everyone by now. and if you have fiber in the ground you can increase number of towers, and increase the main fiber line speed by very small upgrades. Honestly man you didn't do your homework on this one and you look bad. Unlimited data is very achievable its just not as profitable as the situation now. greed is the main point not science.
I'm not so sure how feasible it is when you consider the sheer size of the US or Canada. Sure, it has been done in smaller countries like South Korea, it's possible but their population is comparatively more concentrated in urban areas and the whole of South Korea is smaller than Kentucky! Also, he said wired bandwidth costs 1 or 5 cents a month, that cost is obviously higher when you factor in the cost of transmitting that data wirelessly. Covering the majority of the USA with GOOD unlimited data (let alone fiber) would be no easy task. Yes, carriers could just offer unlimited again but the user experience would be awful in many places. If you have a data plan, you've probably noticed that speeds are much slower during peak traffic, imagine how bad they would be if everyone had unlimited data. There IS a bandwidth limit per tower, regardless of wired bandwidth. If all carriers allowed unlimited data then it would be impossible to guarantee decent service for the whole country. Every carrier offered unlimited data for a time, until their subscriber numberes got to a point where their networks were being strained.
Sooo the real question is who paid him spout this bullshit Verizon or AT&T maybe Comcast good job you just lost a subscriber false clearly biased science
Lol no one is being paid here.. Also the video should be renamed as he is only talking about mobile data, I agree that data caps by cable providers are based mostly on greed (or misleading customers). The annoying part about US providers offering unlimited data is that they did so knowing that their infrastructure couldn't handle it and revoked/throttled unlimited data when their networks inevitably became too congested. Sprint and T-Mobile will stop offering unlimited (if they haven't already) once subscriber numbers get to a certain point. Verizon/AT&T cannot offer it because of their massive number of users.
Well both times when Telstra gave all customers unlimited mobile data for a day (compensation for service crashes) it was impossible to actually use the data because of how many people were trying to make the most of it
Absolutely damn right US after Telecommunications Act of 1996 infrastructure spending that would eventually lead extremely high speed that we're supposed to have today. The whole fiber to the curb was the main promise. The promise of more competition of high-speed internet etc. The problem is the laws that were passed with in 4 years later. And things mergers that Should never happened. I know people are complaining he didn't tell the truth. But radio waves are part of the electromagnetic spectrum they need more spectrum everyone needs more spectrum, so fucking what! The real truth is at the end of the video Proprietary BS that allows them to keep the real cost a secret or lie. It really also just comes down to ignorance their average consumers.
Right MCAT... it's physics. Lower frequency signals, like 800MHz to 1900MHz, travel farther (good for cell phones) but don't have near the capacity of a 2.4GHz wifi signal. Channel capacity is why the new 802.11ac wifi standard can carry much more data per second mainly because it does so at 5GHz. The main drawback being that at a given power the 5GHz signal doesn't travel near as far as 2.4GHz and even less so than 800MHz. Video consumes much more bandwidth than most other consumer activity because video is actually the downloading of 24 to 60, 1 to 2 megapixel pictures per second (fps). That's downloading 173,000 to 432,000 pictures per two hour movie! A video streaming at 5Mbps could carry 600 or more simultaneous phone conversations. So from a network perspective, finding ways to increase data rates or 'speed' is mainly so clients spend less time on your network. Most increases in data rates are due to using higher frequencies and advances in modulation techniques.
0:32 lol like how can you abuse unlimited data? It's unlimited like I can use how much data I want. How can you abuse that? They advertised it as unlimited
*TITLE CORRECTION:* Cellular corporations want to squeeze every dry cent out of you and would rather you foot the bill for their infrastructure than they want to spend a dime helping consumers.
While getting massive government subsidies and don't forget that the airwaves they're using are actually public property leased to them by the government. Wonder how much Dnews got paid by the carriers to try to spread this nonsense.
american problem. In europe probabbly everyone has unlimited data and atleast 100Mb/s. In lithuania we have ~300Mb/s for about 6-7 euros. Limited traffic ? wtf is that O_o, that's so 20's century..
Can you imagine what the Trek universe would be like if you were in the middle of being beamed and you ran out of data and couldn't finish beaming your arm?
Carlos Aguilar I forgot about B4. I looked it up, apparently there were 5 Soong androids; Data, Lore, B4, Juliana Tainer (Soong's wife) and Lal (Data's daughter.) Damn robots breed like rabbits... rabbots?
simonmana the ipv4 issue hasnt been dealt with, ipv6 is great in theory however these companies spent a LOT of money for their ipv4 subnets. Therefore they dont want to move to ipv6 besides ipv4 is nicer to look at and with the addition of NAT we have been able to circumvent the issue of limited ip space.
simonmana it wouldnt change the speed that those spectrums can utilize, look up wifi technologies you will see that certain radio ranges are only. capable of certain speeds due to the wavelength of the radio wave. you are essentially trading off speed and distance. Do you want high speed and limited range? Or low speed and high range with a steady connection.
I can feel the fingers of the Trump administration all up in this video. Prepping for that nice clean break from net neutrality. Data is unlimited on the coasts-the only limit is the one your provider charges for what they see is a fair amount for the price.
Bandwidth has nothing to do with how much data is used in a month, its about how much data you can use at once, it's not like what you suggest where previous data "clogs" the pipeline
Sort of what you need to remember is that dedicated transit bandwidth costs way more than what residential customers are willing to pay, now I deal in web hosting not the internet access business but I do know first hand what the cost of wholesale dedicated bandwidth is in a lot of countries and one thing I can tell you with certainty it is a HELL of a lot more expensive than residential consumers think it is. The wholesale cost of the bandwidth the average residential customer can access if it was dedicated is roughly 15-25 times the monthly amount they pay for it, if residential customers started using their connection more than the average
There are millions of ppl using the very same towers not really at all once but when u have more ppl on towers often using more then “their share” others can’t use that share 200gb isn’t taking to much from them but 1million ppl doing that can start to cause them to max out internet speed can even lower if to many try to use data at once kinda like a traffic jam on b4 Christmas when more ppl are trying to go to store at once then the roads were ever designed to handle. But I’m an age where data is candy that 200gb may very well come to 2tb and ect such as everyone may wanting to stream 8k video (will be a few years but it will get here)
First and foremost, don't uses the term "abuse" when talking about people using what's sold to them as an infinite resource. Do you abuse the sun standing outside all day? I'm pretty sure you're far less to it, than what its doing to you. Its a misdirection, when its the company at fault for over-selling their capacity. The only reason to charge per/GB is as a disincentive to use, because can't they actually handle all the people they're selling to, and they'd rather line pockets than expand infrastructure. Its like charging the people that got on the bus first more for the privilege of keeping their seat, instead off being forced to stand, and as opposed to the company expanding their fleet. Now there is some leeway for mobile, but it makes far less sense (but more cents) for wired providers.
I mean, cummon man. I'm sure not having unlimited plans will free up more speed for everyone sure, but that's not why these companies are doing it. They are businesses. They do, what makes them money. Which means the reason they want to eliminate unlimited is to make money off the customers who will no longer have it rather than to help out the rest of their consumer base. Freeing up speed is just a helpful side effect. This can be proven by the fact that there are other ways to free up speed than simply eliminating unlimited plans. You could for example let them keep an unlimited plan, but then throttle their download speeds after they use x amount of data. right? This would have the same effect as removing the unlimited plan, would be less egregious as removing the plan entirely, but would make them no money, so they don't do it. Granted it would still suck, but it would be better than not having unlimited at all. There's probably other ways too.
Brendan Bush You're absolutely on point. I called AT&T to talk about my plan as I have unlimited data, but only 400 talk min and I pay for texting. I'm GF into the unlimited data, so I lose that if I switch plans to get unlimited talk and text, plus switching to 6gig unlimited talk/text is more expensive.
Brendan Bush it doesnt free up speed, these companies are given thousands of dollars in tax breaks to upgrade the backbone infrastructure(thats where speed really matters) believe it or not we have the technology to be able to push 10Gigabit internet to the end user, that being said we would need a larger backbone pipe.
DeadlyDragon But I thought the whole point of the video was suggesting that unlimited plans are eating up the space we have in the "pipe" thus lowering everyone else's speed.
Brendan Bush spot on. Here in Canada, Wind and chatr offer unlimited data but throttles your speed after a certain limit. You can even pay more to increase that limit, say from 3gig/month to 6gig/month before throttling.
@Terri you can just text/talk over the internet... use whatsapp/skype for general communication with loved ones, then used paid minutes/text only for strangers. in fact, i think there's probably an app or some tech workaround to VoIP phone numbers, and web SMS may be available via certain carriers' websites.
You said the solution in the video. cellular companies just need to build more infrastructure to compensate for data traffic. You know, the thing we PAY them for.. this video is horrible and does not address the point at all.
Because your phone connects to the Phone Towers and all the modems in your area will connect to the same server room and since everyone is using their home internet that means less traffic for mobile data which also means your phones internet will be faster than home internet. It's the same for me, my phones internet is faster than home internet.
Your home internet will be a lot faster if you get a Wireless 802.11ax router which are coming out later this year and mostly next year. Look wireless 802.11ax up. It will only be as fast as the internet speed you are paying for from your internet provider though.
Breaking laws of physics (ie:going fiater than light *in a vacuum* ,creating matter without energy), taking down the presidential plane with a nerf, forming a united society, obtaining unobtanium, curing cancer by sacrificing goats and finally the hardest: *Making a phone not run out of battery in the most important moment*
I have unlimited. Well, "unlimited". T-Mobile slows me down after 28 gigs. Not tethering or anything, just pure content and web browsing along with social media and the never-to-stop emails on my Android device.
Here in Finland you can get unlimited 4G 100Mbps speed for 20€/month. And it's the standard here... Wherever you go, even if you are at the mountains hiking, you still get at least 2Mbps 3G connection.
***** Maybe this map will help you see how much of Finland is sparely populated :) The % on the right means how many % of our population live inside that circle. s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/aa/a0/41/aaa04116fe0d337683f93629fb0046ef.jpg
ForrestSCS well, U.S is some 30 times larger than Finland. ~9 833 000/~330 000 but there are 60 times more people in us. ~320 000 000/5 000 000. so i dont see why it would not be possible to build enough infra to cover the country internetwise.
Jeekay Tenn defeated the purpose of unlimited data anyways!!! Companies are stupid. You have unlimited data butt at the same time do not use to much of it either!
Adam RTR i just got grandfathered in at tmoble 2 days ago. i get unlimited text, talk, mobile, and hotspot 4g lte. i dont have unlimited roaming though. check out tmobile one. i think the promotion lasts till sunday tonight
Nearly everything in this is wrong, There is barely any spectrum in the SMR Band(800Mhz) AWS & PCS Has Far more, Not to mention Sprints BRS Spectrum. DNews do some research before making a video. And unlimited data isn't going away, AT&T Brought it back last year, and its not going anywhere, in Larger cities they need to have more micro-cells, and in rural areas just deploy the spectrum they have, As someone using 200GB Per month only avg ~.62 Mp/s out of a tower thats has all of lets say AT&T Spectrum deployed on it In Kennewick, WA, which if it was all Deployed on LTE would be 600 Mp/s, and thats before 4x4 MIMO & 256 QAM, and any Unpaired Downlink Spectrum thats will be CA in the future.
Nah, there's a legit limitation happening. US isn't like Korea that develops tech like LTE-A. Even Japan imposes data caps at their 10mbps mobile plans (Softbank) for 100GB a month.
Bull. I'm not wild about price-gouging life's necessities (food, water)...but data is a LUXURY GOOD. You don't NEED to stream SpankVision 24/7; "what the market may bear" is totally the best option here.
Unlimited data is impossible to maintain, unless you get your streaming service from the operator, then you can have 200GB of streaming video every month for ever. Does that sound even vaguely credible to you? Do you seriously imagine (or have calculated, because "Science") the number of 200GB users is sufficient to cause congestion? I'd leave a link, but if you Google "IS THE ‘BANDWIDTH HOG’ A MYTH?" by Diffraction Analysis, you'll probably get some numbers that help. However, as you mentioned yourself Trace, limits don't address congestion because whatever those limits, if everyone uses their quota at the same time... you're clever, you'll work it out. You have impacted the credibility you used to possess severely.
In Finland my unlimited data costs 2.90euro a month (about 3 dollars). I'm not kidding. And Finland has one of the fastest internet connections in the world wherever you go... I love this country.
Epicci Saunalahti 4g. Niillä oli erikoistarjous moilta vaihtaville 3e kuussa rajaton 4g. Kaks vuotta. Sen jälkeen normi hinta on noin 25e jos muistan oikein.
amen to that, well unless the idoits go and have a nuke orgy with russia, china, or north korea (4 of the 9 FUCKS that dont know what overkill means) then its everyones problem
AT&T sure seems to be fine with offering unlimited data (as long as you have DirecTV). I have their unlimited and I figured out a way to bypass their hotspot blockage, and I've used 140GB of data so far. Been doing that for months and I haven't gotten a single letter in the mail or notification from them. On another note, if you want to figure out how to get past the hotspot blockage, I uploaded a video on how to do it if you want to check it out!
who uses 200gigs on their phone? I use my phone a lot for streaming and over video viewing, but only use about 15-20gigs on network. And this is mostly because I work about 10-11 hrs a day.
George Dorsey i use 150gb on my T-Mobile unlimited plan a montb usually. I use my phone for usb tethering to my PC with pdanet. i also use the 18gb of hotspot to game. basically my phone is where i get all of my Internet needs. i don't trust ISPs like Comcast nor at&t.
2SidedTech oh ok, I see. I wish they would have explained a bit more in this video about the ways people use their data. But, yeah now I see how people can get to that amout of gigs in a month.
I call bullshit. I can understand that unlimited data may not be sustainable, but that's the contract that some people signed. The company needs to honor their word and stop capping people who use too much on an "unlimited" plan. They shouldn't have ever offered "unlimited" if they couldn't provide what they were selling. These customers signed a contract with their provider for unlimited data, but when they use too much the provider slaps them with throttling or a fine like the customer somehow fucked up.
Those poor poor multi billion dollar reagonal cellphone monopolies! How will they feed their families if they actually have to use the money they make to upgrade and maintain their system?
iHyperions / Fearless oh well, im confused how data transfer of 200 gb over the course of a month is a problem if in a year people can take in 200 gb in a few seconds
vinboi i wouldnt suspect we would get 4Gigabit internet anytime in the near future, we are just now getting gigabit. The cell infrastructure doesnt have a backbone capable of those speeds, and you know better to think US ISPs are going to be spending any amount of money on their infrastructure
5G, as far as I know, is more about combining shared WiFi with 4G and other existing networks to more actively use the WiFi coverage that is pretty much everywhere.
ThaTyger unfortunately that wont work :/ i looked into something similar except by using two separate hardline connections, you wont see any increased speed this way as you can only be using one connection at a time, there is an rfc for multipathTCP but it hasnt been updated since 2013. Also this would only affect tcp traffic youtube and any other streaming traffic is udp.
Meanwhile over here in Germany with it's stone age data infrastructure, I get 1GB for 20€. And for unlimited data T-Mobile want's 200 fucking euros. HOW GREAT IS THAT
The most data I've used in month has been 20 GB, but that has only been when tethering the phone to other devices. Also, that only happens when traveling. Now that iOS 10 is jailbroken, it shouldn't be long until the tethering app has been updated to work with iOS 10. My 4G LTE actually works more efficiently than the Comcast hookup at home because it's always available. When Comcast fails for about 3 to 4 hours of the night, which is most nights that the internet goes down, I rely heavily on the phone's 4G LTE to be used on the computer. The 4G LTE is actually a lot cheaper than Comcast's home internet. As long as my phone is jailbroken, I really have no purpose of paying Comcast anything, but of course, there are other people in the house who rely on Comcast, so we have to have multiple internet connections.
I can't even get wifi lmao. I only live 2 miles out of town but xfinity has an Internet monopoly here. In order to get them to wire toward our house we'd have to pay $45,000.
Many Americans already have unlimited data. The only way one can lose those plans at the moment is switching service carriers or abusing your service agreements. I have unlimited everything(data, call, text) since i still have an old mobile plan that my Carrier said they would honor for the next decade or so. Also, not all of the US has LTE/4G due to the fact that many parts of the US are very sparsely populated (areas like Wyoming to the Dakotas). But if there is one thing i can say the US is better than most of Europe or Asia and that is that almost every person in the US with home internet has unlimited home data, unlike many Europeans that have limited home internet data. Now that would really suck!
DZR3WIND Comcast has a limit on home data and they are the largest service provider in the United States. Comcast limits the data to 250GB a month currently.
I'm grandfathered into an old unlimited plan and never abuse it. I think my highest month was like 5GB. My plan is so old I have only 200 texts a month. After that they charge for them. Now that I know these texts are essentially free to the cell phone company I see what a ripoff that portion of my plan is. When/if they remove my plan altogether I don't think I'll care very much as it would likely be cheaper to have a data limited plan.
So there's a bottle neck, I'll give the script writers credit for that, but for as long as internet providers give us data-caps. They're going backwards
Watching this technology develop (3G and 4G) over the years in the US while working at Verizon in tech support, I've seen the actual internal cost to the company for things like texting, and data usage. It's unfathomably low to maintain, compared to what they charge. This has evolved over the years, to benefit the consumer in some ways, and of course to benefit the company's profit margins. Verizon's percentage of pure profit off of data plans is so high, you'd unsubscribe from them if you knew.
SPOILER ALERT,,, my previous contract with elisa tele company in Finland was 25€ per month UNLIMITED EVERYTHING with 4G but my current contract with telia another company is 22.90€ per month with unlimited 4G, BUT 600 minutes and text's in 7 countries,Finland,Sweden, Denmark,Norway,Estonia,Latvia,Lithuania plus 10 gigabyte data only in other European country so don't say its impossible to maintain when its all about making extra money and while the people suffering. JUST LIKE YOUR HEALTH CARE COSTS, peace and love :)
So they scream it's because of abusive people who use 200GB per month.. But when they don't offer unlimited, they said to customers to not worry because only a fraction of users even go above 10GB per month.. Which one is true? If most people barely touch 10GB, then certainly they can afford to have one or two folks in a city doing 200GB--not that it's abusive anyway. I smell bullshit contradictory on their claims.
It absolutely is sustainable, the user that uses 200gb of data is the exception, not the rule. And even if they were the rule it costs companies practically nothing to provide users with data, especially compared to what they charge. An "unlimited" plan would only be unsustainable if users actually were capable of using an unlimited amount of data, which they certainly arent. It is a perfectly functional business model to create infrastructure capable of handling general use as well as the outlying high usage users, without charging 10,000% cost overages for shits and giggles.
In Saudi Arabia the mobile operator "Mobily " Provide 100% unlimited 4G data for $45 per month and they never slow down your speed as long you are connected to 4G network. Friend of mine already downloaded data 800GB per month.
He neglects to mention that a verizon user in california has no bearing to shannon law as it applies to a user in michigan. this is a huge overlook. it was done on purpose.(edit: this is because of shadowing... kinda like the movie Independance Day)
I dont understand a shit, btw if 200gb is too much they should really evolve cuz programs, games and videos are getting bigger so you need more data to download all that and thats not abusing, just think one game on pc can be as big as 70gb, one day maybe we will have games and apps on phones that are 70gb in that case we will use much more than 200gb in a month. So i hope that internet providers will figure out how to keep up with technology progresion so that we get as much data as we need even if we use terabytes of it
Howdy DNews. I have feedback for you. This is the first ever video of your channel I have seen that left me at the end believing you picked that title for click bait and or just tossed this video together last minute as the quality of your information fails to live up to what it could have been. "Unlimited data" isn't just a cellular provider issue it includes Internet Service Providers as well which frustrates me soo much that you overlooked this. You don't bring up the fact companies like cellular providers are actually now just Internet Service Providers which leads to its own set of issues. Both sell plans that advertise unlimited data but hide away the fact the plan will throttle your data. They can technically call it unlimited data but they can't say "unlimited 4G data" if it stops at 20GBs and after that, it's 2/3G. This is why AT&T was slapped with transparency fine. You also don't hit on the fact cellular/ISP providers offer more LTE and unlimited plans where they can't actually support it in major cities. Most cellular and ISP providers well data plans that state speeds "UPTO" so 4G or 300mbps down 20mbpsup they do this to be allowed to not have to offer that speed at all times. They expect a certain amount of the user base to be on at any point in time but not ALL of them at once. This leads to Prime Time issues you don't bring up at all. Between 5-8PM around the US, millions run into internet issues every day and that does impact cellular users. You don't really dive into abuse. People are using cellular networks to replace their Internet Service Provider especially young people which isn't technically abuse and is one of the reasons why unlimited may be going away. The link between cellular provider and ISP are fading quickly. You don't talk about ways people use cell phones unlimited plans such as for P2P torrenting or the size of these users vs the whole base which is very tiny. These issues bring me to Infrastructure and upgrades - This is exactly why 5G is being developed hopefully by 2020 which is going to help increase bandwidth as a key focus above all else and speed. When AT&T is done with LTE in Mexico we will already be moving to 5G in the states... so yeah.. companies like keeping things complex. Instead of focusing on a longer and bigger picture which could save them, even more, money. When Infrastructure is already in place that upgrading is WAY cheaper than building it which you don't talk about or bring up Google Fiber as an example. These companys AT&T and Sprint are still making money over operating income as well this is an important call out. These upgrades are not going to bankrupt them in anyway and will make them a lot of money. I really wish you cover the ISP aspect of this issue soon and how the current FTC will play a major role in being more company friendly instead of user-friendly while gutting net neutrality rules. This will play a role in being able to watch youtube even. As youtube might be forced to pay a premium to get its traffic to a user who is already paying an ISP to get that traffic. Please cover these topics in the future I suck at typing this took me an hour. Lol Thank you all for the hard work you do! Your videos bring a lot of value to my life and I do learn from them. You do open my horizon at the end of the day. This video just didn't seem like you did the best at opening up perspectives very well.
In Finland none uses wired :) unlimited data and tethering, yay... 20 eur per month, the carriers fight for who can offer more data for cheaper; even the ads they call themselves an economic miracle, and saunas, for some strange reason.
Given the speed of 4G LTE, there is only so much data that can be sent in a given month from the 1st to the last day of the month at the speed that is granted. I'm not even sure if 200 GB per month is possible to be used on 4G speeds in 1 month.
I feel like this is a totally different topic that Dnews talks about than usual. It is a very interesting topic to me personally. It is a very applied topic rather than the more theoretical topics about research that is going on in the fields of biology, chemistry, and physics.
Greed. Thats what it is. With those prizes you guys got in the states you should get Netflix, HBO, etc. etc. ect. thrown in too. You're getting ripped off BIG time. I for example get unlimited calls, texts and internet with 50 mb/s bandwidth 27€(about 30$) a month. Every one has got a cell phone. Every one pays in gold to the carriers. And they are putting the big bucks in their greedy pockets not to upgrade the network, which would allow the bandwidth for everyone.
Sponsored by Verizon. There are so many things this video DID NOT touch on. Like the fact that Verizon is actually going the small cell route to increase capacity instead of adding more spectrum as they did not bid in key areas such as New York in the AWS-3 auction. Or how about the fact that the AT&T CFO touted about how much UNUSED spectrum (40 MHz) will increase their capacity. T-Mobile is proving with their unlimited data plans how they still manage to keep capacity while still offering unlimted data. Only 2% of their users exceed 28 GB of data per month. Not all unlimited data users use obsurb amounts of data, 200GB a month should get you kicked off. But, what this video does not talk about is how far advances in LTE are moving, carriers are using 256 QAM for downlink, and aggregating 3 different channels. This was such a poor attempt to show sympathy to our money hungry carriers. I unsubscribed after this.
I just lost a lot of respect for this channel. Unlimited data is the future. Perhaps in the future consumers will be sold tiered speeds such as: 1Mpbs, 5Mpbs, etc. But Unlimited is here to stay! Especially when T-Mobile's 4gLTE currently can reach theoretical speeds of 1Gpbs and they only offer unlimited. How could wireless providers justify selling a 20GB data plan when you could blaze through it in 10 minutes? and what about 5G and you deplete 20GB in 3 minutes? Once these wireless speeds are reached GBs will be also be 1/1000th of a penny! 4:01 4:22 explains exactly how lucrative data chunks have become and why they fight to sell this message to consumers. Who is your sponser? Verizon Communications? Unsubscribing! Just as text eventually was wrestled back to fair pricing, Data will and IS going to be back in the hands of the people. Stop supporting the stifling of innovation!
The answer is simple; stop using binary. Whatchutalk'n bout' John? Well if you were to convert your signal from binary and split it into 2 signals and use trinary or quad(unary?) you could increase the amount of data you could send and receive exponentially. We're not talking small amounts here, you would be able to stream 8k 2140p on a 2g signal. In fact, the speed it could handle would be more than the processor is capable of. The difference is the size of the actual language, you would go from a line like [0100101001111010000010001010000101101111101010110111101101000010100110011001011010110101110010101011101010010011011010100101010011100101010010100101011001000101010101100100010101010101010010011011011010101110101010011010] to [+-10-++0] there is your increase, of course, you can't send a quad language on a single line this is why you would have to split it into 2 parts and reassemble it and convert it back into binary, it would mean a lot of retooling and a large start up cost but the overall benefits would be huge. For and example; you would be able to stream VR at 4k taking gaming to a level never seen before.
Holy crap trace. You're Bout to learn some shit. ISPs buy Internet connection from tier 3 communications companies who sell the ISP bandwidth, not data limits. Every time a company charges per GB they are raking in profits from you because they buy bandwidth. Next, Back when regulations were much more strict, we had awesome competition and you could buy telephone service from a plethora of phone companies. As the Internet was gaining traction THE ISPs started to lobby the government to allow them to obey less regulations. They Argued that phone and Internet was like a utility and should be in everyone's home. In 1996 under the telecommunications act the ISPs were able function as a utility and start to install fiber optic lines. Who ever owned the lines would own a monopoly for the region. VERIZON Att, TWC and Comcast started buying all the little mom and pop ISP shops until they were all that was left. They slowly upgraded the infrastructure but never sold fiber as there was no incentive all while being paid for buy the tax payers via enormous tax subsidies. As soon as a huge company pops up in town, magically overnight, both companies have fiber. But they also lobbied to prevent other companies like Google from coming in the Municipals. Finally Verizon att and TWC wanted to be able to charge you additional fees for using Netflix. Their argument is Netflix uses most of the bandwidth instead of admitting they should have upgraded to WiFi everywhere so our last mile would be tunnels, trains and highways like SKorea. The real issue was the ISPs all have movie services which compete with Netflix. They then started making it so if you watched their services it wouldn't count against your data. Tom wheeler (head of the FCC) ruled this is a violation of net neutrality but they still continue to do it. Netflix even offered the server hardware for free to alleviate the bandwidth issue but Verizon rejected it. If your Internet is consistently slow even close to the towers, either their antenna are out of date and require upgrades or they over saturated the market which they do often. This simply needs an upgrade as well. We even have advanced to a point a large central area in Italy can use WiFi from an ISP and be good for several blocks. The simple truth is the ISPs are greedy. Don't spread incorrect information you know nothing about.
BS Playstation 2... Yea that's right 2, had unlimited ONLINE gaming for how many years? And xbox you had to pay for the internet. Sony saw how they could easily make a crap ton of money by charging. They were definitely self-sustaining without having to charge. Same with the data, they are able to make it free easily.
An example of everything wrong with humanity. Why would a person need 200 gigabytes of mobile data, why the hell would you want to watch HD movies on Netflix on a phone? People are being dehumanized by technology, yeah why hang out with friends and experience The Great Outdoors when you can keep your face planted to some soulless device...
Impossible to maintain? No, they just want more profit
No, you're just an idiot.
It's called bandwidth. And with more and more people getting more cell phones, and using up bandwidth, there won't be enough.
Supra Kooper this isnt true, the cost of 1 gb vs 1tb is exactly the same, paying for the amount of data you use is a shit metric they use to screw you guys out of more money, they need to put fiber in place throughout the US, to allow 10Gigabit transfers and utilize proper QoS. Rather than their current model.
No you are an idiot. They know expanding their bandwidth costs more than what they are getting from these ridiculously expensive unlimited data plans so the logical option to take is to shut them down. Its simple economics.
Adom Jonsen no its not "simple economics" allow me to inform you that these companies get tax breaks from our government to upgrade their infrastructure. Data costs $0 making data caps a pointless metric used to gain more money from the people. There is not a limited amount of "data" there is however a limited amount if speed that can be given out. No one person can use all of the bandwidth of the line due to QoS.
+DeadlyDragon I am gonna stop you on that one. There is indeed a cost to transmitting data; and yes, while tax breaks help with the cost of upgrading infrastructure, let me remind you that it's more then just "putting up more towers".
Those towers need permits to go up, and also need a fiber line connection. Which means digging up the ground and laying one in. Which means getting MORE permits from whatever area you are in. That costs more money, that then goes back into the local government.
Then, once you have the tower in place, you still need a data center to run all that information through. That means buying a building, probably in a city somewhere, setting it up to handle the hundreds of servers you need to setup, which is not cheap in the slightest, and then staff the place with some very high level techs. Because when something goes wrong, you need it fixed NOW, and guys like that don't come cheap (Full disclosure, I AM one of those guys. I know this stuff inside and out).
Yes, we are all getting screwed on costs. Yes, there is a TON of profit overhead. But things are not free. Yes, texting does indeed take up what is generally "unused space". However, in a regular contact, that information is tagged as such, and not read by any of the systems. A text, however, is flagged differently, and processed through the system, then sent out to the recipient. That all takes up resources that could be used for other things. Thus, there is a cost involved.
Not being a corporate shill, I just hate misinformation.
I'm an IT professional and worked with wireless companies before.
You said Netflix is a well "established" company and they say it 1 cent per Gigabyte... well poor AT&T, Verizon, sprint, and T-mobile they are very small compared to Netflix... smh
after initial infrastructure investment the cost of data is very very low, and in the US after Telecommunications Act of 1996 those companies have so many Tax breaks and benefits that the infrastructure should be laid in fiber optic everyone by now.
and if you have fiber in the ground you can increase number of towers, and increase the main fiber line speed by very small upgrades.
Honestly man you didn't do your homework on this one and you look bad.
Unlimited data is very achievable its just not as profitable as the situation now. greed is the main point not science.
I'm not so sure how feasible it is when you consider the sheer size of the US or Canada. Sure, it has been done in smaller countries like South Korea, it's possible but their population is comparatively more concentrated in urban areas and the whole of South Korea is smaller than Kentucky! Also, he said wired bandwidth costs 1 or 5 cents a month, that cost is obviously higher when you factor in the cost of transmitting that data wirelessly.
Covering the majority of the USA with GOOD unlimited data (let alone fiber) would be no easy task. Yes, carriers could just offer unlimited again but the user experience would be awful in many places. If you have a data plan, you've probably noticed that speeds are much slower during peak traffic, imagine how bad they would be if everyone had unlimited data. There IS a bandwidth limit per tower, regardless of wired bandwidth. If all carriers allowed unlimited data then it would be impossible to guarantee decent service for the whole country. Every carrier offered unlimited data for a time, until their subscriber numberes got to a point where their networks were being strained.
Sooo the real question is who paid him spout this bullshit Verizon or AT&T maybe Comcast good job you just lost a subscriber false clearly biased science
Lol no one is being paid here.. Also the video should be renamed as he is only talking about mobile data, I agree that data caps by cable providers are based mostly on greed (or misleading customers).
The annoying part about US providers offering unlimited data is that they did so knowing that their infrastructure couldn't handle it and revoked/throttled unlimited data when their networks inevitably became too congested. Sprint and T-Mobile will stop offering unlimited (if they haven't already) once subscriber numbers get to a certain point. Verizon/AT&T cannot offer it because of their massive number of users.
Well both times when Telstra gave all customers unlimited mobile data for a day (compensation for service crashes) it was impossible to actually use the data because of how many people were trying to make the most of it
Absolutely damn right US after Telecommunications Act of 1996 infrastructure spending that would eventually lead extremely high speed that we're supposed to have today. The whole fiber to the curb was the main promise. The promise of more competition of high-speed internet etc. The problem is the laws that were passed with in 4 years later. And things mergers that Should never happened. I know people are complaining he didn't tell the truth. But radio waves are part of the electromagnetic spectrum they need more spectrum everyone needs more spectrum, so fucking what! The real truth is at the end of the video Proprietary BS that allows them to keep the real cost a secret or lie. It really also just comes down to ignorance their average consumers.
This video is propaganda for the cellular providers
I didn't even watch the video i just wanted to see if anyone would mindlessly agree with me. So far 7 people have. but the cell companies do suck
MCAT suuure
Right MCAT... it's physics. Lower frequency signals, like 800MHz to 1900MHz, travel farther (good for cell phones) but don't have near the capacity of a 2.4GHz wifi signal. Channel capacity is why the new 802.11ac wifi standard can carry much more data per second mainly because it does so at 5GHz. The main drawback being that at a given power the 5GHz signal doesn't travel near as far as 2.4GHz and even less so than 800MHz.
Video consumes much more bandwidth than most other consumer activity because video is actually the downloading of 24 to 60, 1 to 2 megapixel pictures per second (fps). That's downloading 173,000 to 432,000 pictures per two hour movie!
A video streaming at 5Mbps could carry 600 or more simultaneous phone conversations. So from a network perspective, finding ways to increase data rates or 'speed' is mainly so clients spend less time on your network. Most increases in data rates are due to using higher frequencies and advances in modulation techniques.
DogsRNice Even I think the same
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0:32 lol like how can you abuse unlimited data? It's unlimited like I can use how much data I want. How can you abuse that? They advertised it as unlimited
Just because we dont know the limits of the universe means by fact is or isn’t infinite.
@@nykolazjoya in that case they are/were lying when they advertised as 'unlimited'?
*TITLE CORRECTION:* Cellular corporations want to squeeze every dry cent out of you and would rather you foot the bill for their infrastructure than they want to spend a dime helping consumers.
*CORRECTION FOR YOU STUPID COMMENT*: COMPANIES WANT TO PROFIT, MORE NEWS AT 11!
While getting massive government subsidies and don't forget that the airwaves they're using are actually public property leased to them by the government. Wonder how much Dnews got paid by the carriers to try to spread this nonsense.
In other news, water is wet!
Companies want to make money from their customers?!
When did this happen?
Jason Wood There is a difference between healthy profit and maximum short-term profit at any cost.
Who else is using unlimited data to watch this?
I have unlimited per month
american problem. In europe probabbly everyone has unlimited data and atleast 100Mb/s. In lithuania we have ~300Mb/s for about 6-7 euros. Limited traffic ? wtf is that O_o, that's so 20's century..
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Unlimited Data would be impossible to maintain. That's why in Star Trek there is only one Data.
Welllll... there is lore.
Can you imagine what the Trek universe would be like if you were in the middle of being beamed and you ran out of data and couldn't finish beaming your arm?
Carlos Aguilar I forgot about B4. I looked it up, apparently there were 5 Soong androids; Data, Lore, B4, Juliana Tainer (Soong's wife) and Lal (Data's daughter.)
Damn robots breed like rabbits... rabbots?
CrazyVulcan In an episode of Voyager Tuvok and Neelix get merged into Tuvix... that's what can happen on a shared data plan.
Not any more there's not.
Sounds like he is being paid by big companies to get us to think its okay to give up those unlimited plans
Trace, When did you become a corporate shill?
simonmana the ipv4 issue hasnt been dealt with, ipv6 is great in theory however these companies spent a LOT of money for their ipv4 subnets. Therefore they dont want to move to ipv6 besides ipv4 is nicer to look at and with the addition of NAT we have been able to circumvent the issue of limited ip space.
simonmana it wouldnt change the speed that those spectrums can utilize, look up wifi technologies you will see that certain radio ranges are only. capable of certain speeds due to the wavelength of the radio wave. you are essentially trading off speed and distance. Do you want high speed and limited range? Or low speed and high range with a steady connection.
What did you expect, this is Discovery News? Though to play Devils advocate, he did mention how much we're being ripped off for our text messages.
+simonmana "Also why arent we running out of MAc adresses?" lmgtfy.com/?q=Why+aren%27t+we+running+out+of+MAC+Addresses%3F
+DeadlyDragon Imagine a world in which Cell Towers were no more than 100 meters apart. That would be awesome!
Data is so expensive in South Africa ,its cheaper to take a taxi to your your friend. & show him the video then to sent it over social media
Goodbye credibility. This is bullshit. They can charge overages with no limit! There for it is about money!
Unsubscribed.
anthony johnson bye 😘
"Oh jeez guys, we lost a jugalo subscriber, what will we ever do?!"
-DNews, not.
I can feel the fingers of the Trump administration all up in this video. Prepping for that nice clean break from net neutrality. Data is unlimited on the coasts-the only limit is the one your provider charges for what they see is a fair amount for the price.
anthony johnson ICP has warped your mind juggalo.
peace out~
Bandwidth has nothing to do with how much data is used in a month, its about how much data you can use at once, it's not like what you suggest where previous data "clogs" the pipeline
Sort of what you need to remember is that dedicated transit bandwidth costs way more than what residential customers are willing to pay, now I deal in web hosting not the internet access business but I do know first hand what the cost of wholesale dedicated bandwidth is in a lot of countries and one thing I can tell you with certainty it is a HELL of a lot more expensive than residential consumers think it is. The wholesale cost of the bandwidth the average residential customer can access if it was dedicated is roughly 15-25 times the monthly amount they pay for it, if residential customers started using their connection more than the average
There are millions of ppl using the very same towers not really at all once but when u have more ppl on towers often using more then “their share” others can’t use that share 200gb isn’t taking to much from them but 1million ppl doing that can start to cause them to max out internet speed can even lower if to many try to use data at once kinda like a traffic jam on b4 Christmas when more ppl are trying to go to store at once then the roads were ever designed to handle. But I’m an age where data is candy that 200gb may very well come to 2tb and ect such as everyone may wanting to stream 8k video (will be a few years but it will get here)
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First and foremost, don't uses the term "abuse" when talking about people using what's sold to them as an infinite resource. Do you abuse the sun standing outside all day? I'm pretty sure you're far less to it, than what its doing to you. Its a misdirection, when its the company at fault for over-selling their capacity. The only reason to charge per/GB is as a disincentive to use, because can't they actually handle all the people they're selling to, and they'd rather line pockets than expand infrastructure. Its like charging the people that got on the bus first more for the privilege of keeping their seat, instead off being forced to stand, and as opposed to the company expanding their fleet. Now there is some leeway for mobile, but it makes far less sense (but more cents) for wired providers.
Stacey Bright its not sold as an infinite resource, read the print
I mean, cummon man. I'm sure not having unlimited plans will free up more speed for everyone sure, but that's not why these companies are doing it. They are businesses. They do, what makes them money. Which means the reason they want to eliminate unlimited is to make money off the customers who will no longer have it rather than to help out the rest of their consumer base. Freeing up speed is just a helpful side effect. This can be proven by the fact that there are other ways to free up speed than simply eliminating unlimited plans. You could for example let them keep an unlimited plan, but then throttle their download speeds after they use x amount of data. right? This would have the same effect as removing the unlimited plan, would be less egregious as removing the plan entirely, but would make them no money, so they don't do it. Granted it would still suck, but it would be better than not having unlimited at all. There's probably other ways too.
Brendan Bush You're absolutely on point. I called AT&T to talk about my plan as I have unlimited data, but only 400 talk min and I pay for texting. I'm GF into the unlimited data, so I lose that if I switch plans to get unlimited talk and text, plus switching to 6gig unlimited talk/text is more expensive.
Brendan Bush it doesnt free up speed, these companies are given thousands of dollars in tax breaks to upgrade the backbone infrastructure(thats where speed really matters) believe it or not we have the technology to be able to push 10Gigabit internet to the end user, that being said we would need a larger backbone pipe.
DeadlyDragon But I thought the whole point of the video was suggesting that unlimited plans are eating up the space we have in the "pipe" thus lowering everyone else's speed.
Brendan Bush spot on. Here in Canada, Wind and chatr offer unlimited data but throttles your speed after a certain limit. You can even pay more to increase that limit, say from 3gig/month to 6gig/month before throttling.
@Terri you can just text/talk over the internet... use whatsapp/skype for general communication with loved ones, then used paid minutes/text only for strangers. in fact, i think there's probably an app or some tech workaround to VoIP phone numbers, and web SMS may be available via certain carriers' websites.
You said the solution in the video. cellular companies just need to build more infrastructure to compensate for data traffic. You know, the thing we PAY them for..
this video is horrible and does not address the point at all.
"laughs in European" we don't have 4g everywhere but unlimited data is very cheap
Depends on your location. I have 4g everywhere, 200 gb data in Denmark and 10 gb data in EU + USA, China and more. :)) suck it usa
4g is not every where in the USA either. Overall Europe has much better coverage than the USA.
Lucie Hollick we are a global superpower that could wipe your continent off the face of the earth suck it europe😝😘
Ian N. Then your data is worthless. We all have unlimited data as well, but restricted after a limit. No point in unlimited slow data.
Ian N. Hell nah bruh, in belgium fucking 2gigs a month is atleast 40, companies rape us here..
Why the F*** my mobile internet data is faster than the home internet?
Because your phone connects to the Phone Towers and all the modems in your area will connect to the same server room and since everyone is using their home internet that means less traffic for mobile data which also means your phones internet will be faster than home internet. It's the same for me, my phones internet is faster than home internet.
Your home internet will be a lot faster if you get a Wireless 802.11ax router which are coming out later this year and mostly next year. Look wireless 802.11ax up. It will only be as fast as the internet speed you are paying for from your internet provider though.
Mostafa Akbari Because you didn’t pay for the speeds... jk
Mostafa Akbari but actually DSL (I’m assuming) has a lot of obstacles to overcome before it gets to you.
You probably have DSL on a very long loop.
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DaranDragon 😂😂😂 *cricket wireless just laughs* This video is BS. If this is true, people would of already know about this.
You got that right. The whole story was lies wrapped in crap. Stunk the whole way through.
DaranDragon 🤣
Verizon has unlimited data
Jaxon Lewis Not three weeks ago when I made the comment.
This video was cleary sponsored by the phone companies.
The only thing impossible is impossibility!!
NickTheSickDick And you had a rough childhood
Not really.
what about a qualified discussion?
Btw there are impossible things.
Can be dreamed, can be done!
Breaking laws of physics (ie:going fiater than light *in a vacuum* ,creating matter without energy), taking down the presidential plane with a nerf, forming a united society, obtaining unobtanium, curing cancer by sacrificing goats and finally the hardest: *Making a phone not run out of battery in the most important moment*
I have unlimited. Well, "unlimited". T-Mobile slows me down after 28 gigs. Not tethering or anything, just pure content and web browsing along with social media and the never-to-stop emails on my Android device.
Klerin Hercules
Same with my plan. I'm using freedom mobile with 5gb. I once used 10gb per month just to see how far I could go with data usage.
Here in Finland you can get unlimited 4G 100Mbps speed for 20€/month. And it's the standard here... Wherever you go, even if you are at the mountains hiking, you still get at least 2Mbps 3G connection.
Yes :D and US has 60 times the population x3
Our population density is about half of yours, still our 4G covers pretty much the entire country.
"Incredibly sparely populated and visited" :D funny cuz that describes proppably 90% of Finnish landskape :D joking~
***** Maybe this map will help you see how much of Finland is sparely populated :) The % on the right means how many % of our population live inside that circle.
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ForrestSCS well, U.S is some 30 times larger than Finland. ~9 833 000/~330 000 but there are 60 times more people in us. ~320 000 000/5 000 000. so i dont see why it would not be possible to build enough infra to cover the country internetwise.
My friend got banned from Unlimited Data by using 100GB in a few days
Jeekay Tenn LOL
Jeekay Tenn I used 20 in a month
Damn that's a lot of pornhub
Jeekay Tenn defeated the purpose of unlimited data anyways!!! Companies are stupid. You have unlimited data butt at the same time do not use to much of it either!
HOW IS That possible to use that much
well looks like im switching to t mobile
Adam RTR i just got grandfathered in at tmoble 2 days ago. i get unlimited text, talk, mobile, and hotspot 4g lte. i dont have unlimited roaming though.
check out tmobile one. i think the promotion lasts till sunday tonight
Adam RTR don't t mobile is terrible
i'm grandfathered in at sprint i have unlimited everything except hotspot.
Zach Sprint sucks T-Mobil rocks
i've never had a problem with sprint so cool
Nearly everything in this is wrong, There is barely any spectrum in the SMR Band(800Mhz) AWS & PCS Has Far more, Not to mention Sprints BRS Spectrum. DNews do some research before making a video. And unlimited data isn't going away, AT&T Brought it back last year, and its not going anywhere, in Larger cities they need to have more micro-cells, and in rural areas just deploy the spectrum they have, As someone using 200GB Per month only avg ~.62 Mp/s out of a tower thats has all of lets say AT&T Spectrum deployed on it In Kennewick, WA, which if it was all Deployed on LTE would be 600 Mp/s, and thats before 4x4 MIMO & 256 QAM, and any Unpaired Downlink Spectrum thats will be CA in the future.
It's no unsustainable it's CORPORATE GREED!
brought to you by corporate greed
powered by capitalism and price fixing
Nah, there's a legit limitation happening. US isn't like Korea that develops tech like LTE-A. Even Japan imposes data caps at their 10mbps mobile plans (Softbank) for 100GB a month.
eggs yeah but you are also forgetting radio and television companies cling to their frequencies even though they are used waaaay less nowadays
Got it exactly right.
Bull. I'm not wild about price-gouging life's necessities (food, water)...but data is a LUXURY GOOD. You don't NEED to stream SpankVision 24/7; "what the market may bear" is totally the best option here.
Unlimited data is impossible to maintain, unless you get your streaming service from the operator, then you can have 200GB of streaming video every month for ever. Does that sound even vaguely credible to you? Do you seriously imagine (or have calculated, because "Science") the number of 200GB users is sufficient to cause congestion?
I'd leave a link, but if you Google "IS THE ‘BANDWIDTH HOG’ A MYTH?" by Diffraction Analysis, you'll probably get some numbers that help.
However, as you mentioned yourself Trace, limits don't address congestion because whatever those limits, if everyone uses their quota at the same time... you're clever, you'll work it out.
You have impacted the credibility you used to possess severely.
They really need to do a well-researched followup, perhaps in collaboration with Linus Tech Tips.
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Glad I live in Finland where the operators don't even dare to offer a limited data option cause that would just be a death wish for them, lol :D
And in case your wondering, it costs me about 24€/month and basically everything is unlimited. :)
Telia offers limited data plans
I live in India and i get same benefits at 5$ per month with unlimited 4G calling and sms
Never realized just how bad US cell service providers have us by the balls until I read through these comments..
I only have 1 GB per month 😑
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In Finland my unlimited data costs 2.90euro a month (about 3 dollars). I'm not kidding. And Finland has one of the fastest internet connections in the world wherever you go... I love this country.
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Ja millä ihmeen nopeudella sä 3 euroa kuussa nettiä selaat?
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Any Finland gameplay streamer you can recall?
American problem, not mine...
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Canadian too
Astro now that. That is racist.
amen to that, well unless the idoits go and have a nuke orgy with russia, china, or north korea (4 of the 9 FUCKS that dont know what overkill means) then its everyones problem
Then why are you commenting if it doesn't apply to you?
AT&T sure seems to be fine with offering unlimited data (as long as you have DirecTV). I have their unlimited and I figured out a way to bypass their hotspot blockage, and I've used 140GB of data so far. Been doing that for months and I haven't gotten a single letter in the mail or notification from them. On another note, if you want to figure out how to get past the hotspot blockage, I uploaded a video on how to do it if you want to check it out!
I was looking for that video! How do I find it???
Wow.
Even my mobile data can't handle this video.
(Also, legit first. Did not expect that).
You are first, you win one internetz today!
Master Therion I totally didn't expect that lmao
Minty Since you weren't trying to be first and got it by accident, you get two internetz! Congratulations ^_^
Master Therion Stop lol
I feel so bad for those multi billion world wide companies ;-)
who uses 200gigs on their phone? I use my phone a lot for streaming and over video viewing, but only use about 15-20gigs on network. And this is mostly because I work about 10-11 hrs a day.
George Dorsey i use 150gb on my T-Mobile unlimited plan a montb usually. I use my phone for usb tethering to my PC with pdanet. i also use the 18gb of hotspot to game. basically my phone is where i get all of my Internet needs. i don't trust ISPs like Comcast nor at&t.
2SidedTech oh ok, I see. I wish they would have explained a bit more in this video about the ways people use their data.
But, yeah now I see how people can get to that amout of gigs in a month.
God dam it I clicked a D-news video by mistake again.
Sponsored by Verizon and AT&T
I call bullshit. I can understand that unlimited data may not be sustainable, but that's the contract that some people signed. The company needs to honor their word and stop capping people who use too much on an "unlimited" plan. They shouldn't have ever offered "unlimited" if they couldn't provide what they were selling. These customers signed a contract with their provider for unlimited data, but when they use too much the provider slaps them with throttling or a fine like the customer somehow fucked up.
lol serivce providers are rich i dont see this being an issue espically when most companies dont refund you on unused data
Pull off this biased verizon sponsored bullshit and I'm unsubscribing, how much did they pay?
Dnews are starting to sound more like propaganda
Those poor poor multi billion dollar reagonal cellphone monopolies!
How will they feed their families if they actually have to use the money they make to upgrade and maintain their system?
isn't 5g coming in a few years where is gonna be like 4gb per a second downloads?
vinboi World Cup 2018... Wikipedia estimated release date.
iHyperions / Fearless oh well, im confused how data transfer of 200 gb over the course of a month is a problem if in a year people can take in 200 gb in a few seconds
vinboi i wouldnt suspect we would get 4Gigabit internet anytime in the near future, we are just now getting gigabit. The cell infrastructure doesnt have a backbone capable of those speeds, and you know better to think US ISPs are going to be spending any amount of money on their infrastructure
5G, as far as I know, is more about combining shared WiFi with 4G and other existing networks to more actively use the WiFi coverage that is pretty much everywhere.
ThaTyger unfortunately that wont work :/ i looked into something similar except by using two separate hardline connections, you wont see any increased speed this way as you can only be using one connection at a time, there is an rfc for multipathTCP but it hasnt been updated since 2013. Also this would only affect tcp traffic youtube and any other streaming traffic is udp.
wow. this is major shilling. unsubed.
Meanwhile over here in Germany with it's stone age data infrastructure, I get 1GB for 20€. And for unlimited data T-Mobile want's 200 fucking euros. HOW GREAT IS THAT
CaveThief damn, just over the border (the Netherlands) we get unlimited data for all of Europe for €35,- with t-mobile
Can you hook a brother up?
The most data I've used in month has been 20 GB, but that has only been when tethering the phone to other devices. Also, that only happens when traveling. Now that iOS 10 is jailbroken, it shouldn't be long until the tethering app has been updated to work with iOS 10. My 4G LTE actually works more efficiently than the Comcast hookup at home because it's always available. When Comcast fails for about 3 to 4 hours of the night, which is most nights that the internet goes down, I rely heavily on the phone's 4G LTE to be used on the computer. The 4G LTE is actually a lot cheaper than Comcast's home internet. As long as my phone is jailbroken, I really have no purpose of paying Comcast anything, but of course, there are other people in the house who rely on Comcast, so we have to have multiple internet connections.
Wait, you still have to jailbreak iOS devices to use tethering? Or is it just because your iPhone is a carrier device?
but why do we have limited data on home internet ?
ForrestSCS it's coming. Many ISPs are putting data caps on their home plans.
ok i live in a shit hole in belgium, but still i have a 100gb data cap
then my speed goes down to 100kbps ffs
I can't even get wifi lmao. I only live 2 miles out of town but xfinity has an Internet monopoly here. In order to get them to wire toward our house we'd have to pay $45,000.
lil sunny lil sunny I don't know, it's bullshit
Catkins which country?
I couldn't care less about phones, but if they ever want to limit my internet connection data at home. then we will riot.
Many Americans already have unlimited data. The only way one can lose those plans at the moment is switching service carriers or abusing your service agreements. I have unlimited everything(data, call, text) since i still have an old mobile plan that my Carrier said they would honor for the next decade or so. Also, not all of the US has LTE/4G due to the fact that many parts of the US are very sparsely populated (areas like Wyoming to the Dakotas). But if there is one thing i can say the US is better than most of Europe or Asia and that is that almost every person in the US with home internet has unlimited home data, unlike many Europeans that have limited home internet data. Now that would really suck!
DZR3WIND Comcast has a limit on home data and they are the largest service provider in the United States. Comcast limits the data to 250GB a month currently.
Meh, we have limited data, but it's about 300GB/month or so, and so for the average person effectively unlimited.
If you want more you can pay for it.
I'm grandfathered into an old unlimited plan and never abuse it. I think my highest month was like 5GB. My plan is so old I have only 200 texts a month. After that they charge for them. Now that I know these texts are essentially free to the cell phone company I see what a ripoff that portion of my plan is. When/if they remove my plan altogether I don't think I'll care very much as it would likely be cheaper to have a data limited plan.
$95 monthly for unlimited high speed data and 7gigs tethering. Not bad seeing as i won't use WiFi for my phone.
where do you live cause that's a quite a lot of money just for internet? 30$ for unlimited including tethering here.
guardian where i live its 110$ for unlimited everything
Aviitar, AT&T here in Albuquerque USA.
Aviitar 70 with cricket (Texas )
The dollar sign goes before the amount not after. $30 not 30$. Good grief we need to fix our education!
So there's a bottle neck, I'll give the script writers credit for that, but for as long as internet providers give us data-caps. They're going backwards
I think I know who the sponsor of the video is.
Watching this technology develop (3G and 4G) over the years in the US while working at Verizon in tech support, I've seen the actual internal cost to the company for things like texting, and data usage. It's unfathomably low to maintain, compared to what they charge. This has evolved over the years, to benefit the consumer in some ways, and of course to benefit the company's profit margins. Verizon's percentage of pure profit off of data plans is so high, you'd unsubscribe from them if you knew.
well got to used Project FI from Google if you don't used ALOT of data, I have it and been saving ALOT not using it. Love you.
lol i have at&t unlimited data and i've already used 57 gbs and no slow downs or anything yet yet.
I got verizon and yet used 149GB
Considering that I use about 150 gb of mobile data a month, yeah, I would say that I would miss unlimited data.
try JIO next time bro 😎
Siddharth Shinde Indian swag😎
Siddharth Shinde Only for the first GB. After that, 128 kbps is absolute shit.
shouldn't you be busy assembling the 4 horsemen
It was T-Mobile or cricket that stated less than 3% of their customers go over 30gb a month, .....I am the 1 percent
SPOILER ALERT,,, my previous contract with elisa tele company in Finland was 25€ per month UNLIMITED EVERYTHING with 4G but my current contract with telia another company is 22.90€ per month with unlimited 4G, BUT 600 minutes and text's in 7 countries,Finland,Sweden, Denmark,Norway,Estonia,Latvia,Lithuania plus 10 gigabyte data only in other European country so don't say its impossible to maintain when its all about making extra money and while the people suffering. JUST LIKE YOUR HEALTH CARE COSTS, peace and love :)
Paid for in part by T-Mobile? ;)
Where i live i get "unlimited" data witch is 50 gb and after that speeds are throttled to 500 kb/s but still unlimited for only 11€ per month
lol sucks for you guys I pay 25 bucks a month and have unlimited I mean unlimited amount of data calls and text
So they scream it's because of abusive people who use 200GB per month..
But when they don't offer unlimited, they said to customers to not worry because only a fraction of users even go above 10GB per month..
Which one is true? If most people barely touch 10GB, then certainly they can afford to have one or two folks in a city doing 200GB--not that it's abusive anyway. I smell bullshit contradictory on their claims.
In the title it says impossible
when i was in korea i had a plan of 90 dollars a month for unlimited text calling and 9 gigs of 4g of internet a day
I'm on Sprint and I have unlimited everything guaranteed for life.
Haha Hows it feel when you get those text messages from them…
They trick you buddy.
It absolutely is sustainable, the user that uses 200gb of data is the exception, not the rule. And even if they were the rule it costs companies practically nothing to provide users with data, especially compared to what they charge. An "unlimited" plan would only be unsustainable if users actually were capable of using an unlimited amount of data, which they certainly arent. It is a perfectly functional business model to create infrastructure capable of handling general use as well as the outlying high usage users, without charging 10,000% cost overages for shits and giggles.
i had a ad about unlimited data XD
In Saudi Arabia the mobile operator "Mobily " Provide 100% unlimited 4G data for $45 per month and they never slow down your speed as long you are connected to 4G network. Friend of mine already downloaded data 800GB per month.
thats just sad while files are getting bigger, 4k, uhd streaming, gigs of game, hundred of mbs for an app we dont have unli data
He neglects to mention that a verizon user in california has no bearing to shannon law as it applies to a user in michigan. this is a huge overlook. it was done on purpose.(edit: this is because of shadowing... kinda like the movie Independance Day)
I dont understand a shit, btw if 200gb is too much they should really evolve cuz programs, games and videos are getting bigger so you need more data to download all that and thats not abusing, just think one game on pc can be as big as 70gb, one day maybe we will have games and apps on phones that are 70gb in that case we will use much more than 200gb in a month. So i hope that internet providers will figure out how to keep up with technology progresion so that we get as much data as we need even if we use terabytes of it
Mine is 89$ for a 300 MB plan from AT&T but their pre paid plan is 55$ for 5GB they are ripping me off
ok so u probably didnt know about "reliance jio" , this june it ll be 1 year, Unlimited data, calls and messages. its like Christmas whole year.
That’s not abusing the system that’s using what you pay for
who funded this episode? AT&T is that you? suck my ass! "running out of data" lmaooooooooooo how kewt :*
Howdy DNews. I have feedback for you. This is the first ever video of your channel I have seen that left me at the end believing you picked that title for click bait and or just tossed this video together last minute as the quality of your information fails to live up to what it could have been.
"Unlimited data" isn't just a cellular provider issue it includes Internet Service Providers as well which frustrates me soo much that you overlooked this. You don't bring up the fact companies like cellular providers are actually now just Internet Service Providers which leads to its own set of issues. Both sell plans that advertise unlimited data but hide away the fact the plan will throttle your data. They can technically call it unlimited data but they can't say "unlimited 4G data" if it stops at 20GBs and after that, it's 2/3G. This is why AT&T was slapped with transparency fine.
You also don't hit on the fact cellular/ISP providers offer more LTE and unlimited plans where they can't actually support it in major cities. Most cellular and ISP providers well data plans that state speeds "UPTO" so 4G or 300mbps down 20mbpsup they do this to be allowed to not have to offer that speed at all times. They expect a certain amount of the user base to be on at any point in time but not ALL of them at once. This leads to Prime Time issues you don't bring up at all. Between 5-8PM around the US, millions run into internet issues every day and that does impact cellular users.
You don't really dive into abuse. People are using cellular networks to replace their Internet Service Provider especially young people which isn't technically abuse and is one of the reasons why unlimited may be going away. The link between cellular provider and ISP are fading quickly. You don't talk about ways people use cell phones unlimited plans such as for P2P torrenting or the size of these users vs the whole base which is very tiny.
These issues bring me to Infrastructure and upgrades - This is exactly why 5G is being developed hopefully by 2020 which is going to help increase bandwidth as a key focus above all else and speed. When AT&T is done with LTE in Mexico we will already be moving to 5G in the states... so yeah.. companies like keeping things complex. Instead of focusing on a longer and bigger picture which could save them, even more, money. When Infrastructure is already in place that upgrading is WAY cheaper than building it which you don't talk about or bring up Google Fiber as an example. These companys AT&T and Sprint are still making money over operating income as well this is an important call out. These upgrades are not going to bankrupt them in anyway and will make them a lot of money.
I really wish you cover the ISP aspect of this issue soon and how the current FTC will play a major role in being more company friendly instead of user-friendly while gutting net neutrality rules. This will play a role in being able to watch youtube even. As youtube might be forced to pay a premium to get its traffic to a user who is already paying an ISP to get that traffic. Please cover these topics in the future I suck at typing this took me an hour. Lol
Thank you all for the hard work you do! Your videos bring a lot of value to my life and I do learn from them. You do open my horizon at the end of the day. This video just didn't seem like you did the best at opening up perspectives very well.
I cannot take this channel serious anymore.
How is it abusing? If you pay for unlimited, then you should get unlimited.
"abusing unlimited plans"
unlimited is unlimited. do you work for comcast?
In Finland none uses wired :) unlimited data and tethering, yay... 20 eur per month, the carriers fight for who can offer more data for cheaper; even the ads they call themselves an economic miracle, and saunas, for some strange reason.
Yep that's definitely something someone from Verizon would say.
Given the speed of 4G LTE, there is only so much data that can be sent in a given month from the 1st to the last day of the month at the speed that is granted. I'm not even sure if 200 GB per month is possible to be used on 4G speeds in 1 month.
I feel like this is a totally different topic that Dnews talks about than usual. It is a very interesting topic to me personally. It is a very applied topic rather than the more theoretical topics about research that is going on in the fields of biology, chemistry, and physics.
Then why tf do they call it UNLIMITED. WTFFFFF 😡😡😡😡😡😡
Is that why my internet is so slow. Some rich guy using all the "space"
I read in the comments someone has data cap on his home internet. Shit man, bad for you, I use over 400gb a month...
Greed. Thats what it is. With those prizes you guys got in the states you should get Netflix, HBO, etc. etc. ect. thrown in too. You're getting ripped off BIG time. I for example get unlimited calls, texts and internet with 50 mb/s bandwidth 27€(about 30$) a month. Every one has got a cell phone. Every one pays in gold to the carriers. And they are putting the big bucks in their greedy pockets not to upgrade the network, which would allow the bandwidth for everyone.
Sponsored by Verizon.
There are so many things this video DID NOT touch on.
Like the fact that Verizon is actually going the small cell route to increase capacity instead of adding more spectrum as they did not bid in key areas such as New York in the AWS-3 auction.
Or how about the fact that the AT&T CFO touted about how much UNUSED spectrum (40 MHz) will increase their capacity.
T-Mobile is proving with their unlimited data plans how they still manage to keep capacity while still offering unlimted data.
Only 2% of their users exceed 28 GB of data per month.
Not all unlimited data users use obsurb amounts of data, 200GB a month should get you kicked off.
But, what this video does not talk about is how far advances in LTE are moving, carriers are using 256 QAM for downlink, and aggregating 3 different channels.
This was such a poor attempt to show sympathy to our money hungry carriers.
I unsubscribed after this.
I just lost a lot of respect for this channel. Unlimited data is the future. Perhaps in the future consumers will be sold tiered speeds such as: 1Mpbs, 5Mpbs, etc. But Unlimited is here to stay! Especially when T-Mobile's 4gLTE currently can reach theoretical speeds of 1Gpbs and they only offer unlimited. How could wireless providers justify selling a 20GB data plan when you could blaze through it in 10 minutes? and what about 5G and you deplete 20GB in 3 minutes? Once these wireless speeds are reached GBs will be also be 1/1000th of a penny! 4:01
4:22 explains exactly how lucrative data chunks have become and why they fight to sell this message to consumers. Who is your sponser? Verizon Communications? Unsubscribing! Just as text eventually was wrestled back to fair pricing, Data will and IS going to be back in the hands of the people. Stop supporting the stifling of innovation!
The answer is simple; stop using binary. Whatchutalk'n bout' John? Well if you were to convert your signal from binary and split it into 2 signals and use trinary or quad(unary?) you could increase the amount of data you could send and receive exponentially. We're not talking small amounts here, you would be able to stream 8k 2140p on a 2g signal. In fact, the speed it could handle would be more than the processor is capable of. The difference is the size of the actual language, you would go from a line like [0100101001111010000010001010000101101111101010110111101101000010100110011001011010110101110010101011101010010011011010100101010011100101010010100101011001000101010101100100010101010101010010011011011010101110101010011010] to [+-10-++0] there is your increase, of course, you can't send a quad language on a single line this is why you would have to split it into 2 parts and reassemble it and convert it back into binary, it would mean a lot of retooling and a large start up cost but the overall benefits would be huge. For and example; you would be able to stream VR at 4k taking gaming to a level never seen before.
Holy crap trace. You're Bout to learn some shit. ISPs buy Internet connection from tier 3 communications companies who sell the ISP bandwidth, not data limits. Every time a company charges per GB they are raking in profits from you because they buy bandwidth. Next, Back when regulations were much more strict, we had awesome competition and you could buy telephone service from a plethora of phone companies. As the Internet was gaining traction THE ISPs started to lobby the government to allow them to obey less regulations. They Argued that phone and Internet was like a utility and should be in everyone's home. In 1996 under the telecommunications act the ISPs were able function as a utility and start to install fiber optic lines. Who ever owned the lines would own a monopoly for the region. VERIZON Att, TWC and Comcast started buying all the little mom and pop ISP shops until they were all that was left. They slowly upgraded the infrastructure but never sold fiber as there was no incentive all while being paid for buy the tax payers via enormous tax subsidies. As soon as a huge company pops up in town, magically overnight, both companies have fiber. But they also lobbied to prevent other companies like Google from coming in the Municipals. Finally Verizon att and TWC wanted to be able to charge you additional fees for using Netflix. Their argument is Netflix uses most of the bandwidth instead of admitting they should have upgraded to WiFi everywhere so our last mile would be tunnels, trains and highways like SKorea. The real issue was the ISPs all have movie services which compete with Netflix. They then started making it so if you watched their services it wouldn't count against your data. Tom wheeler (head of the FCC) ruled this is a violation of net neutrality but they still continue to do it. Netflix even offered the server hardware for free to alleviate the bandwidth issue but Verizon rejected it. If your Internet is consistently slow even close to the towers, either their antenna are out of date and require upgrades or they over saturated the market which they do often. This simply needs an upgrade as well. We even have advanced to a point a large central area in Italy can use WiFi from an ISP and be good for several blocks. The simple truth is the ISPs are greedy. Don't spread incorrect information you know nothing about.
I wish you had made it clear that you mean mobile data.
BS
Playstation 2... Yea that's right 2, had unlimited ONLINE gaming for how many years? And xbox you had to pay for the internet.
Sony saw how they could easily make a crap ton of money by charging. They were definitely self-sustaining without having to charge.
Same with the data, they are able to make it free easily.
An example of everything wrong with humanity. Why would a person need 200 gigabytes of mobile data, why the hell would you want to watch HD movies on Netflix on a phone? People are being dehumanized by technology, yeah why hang out with friends and experience The Great Outdoors when you can keep your face planted to some soulless device...