2002 Honda Civic Si EP3 - POV test drive
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
- Another day, another Civic Si, this time in the form of Vincent's EP3 hatchback. This 7th gen Si is notorious for ditching its predecessor's 8000rpm screaming VTEC motor, double wishbone front suspension, and hydraulic steering. It's also heavier, taller, and no quicker in a straight line. But do the specs on paper tell the whole story? Watch the full video to find out.
Quicker driving begins at 7:29.
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Good video, thanks! i have an 05 EP3 with 06 K24A2 swap, amazing upgrade, what it needed.
Hey David is the difference noticeable? I just got on 05 and plan on swapping at some point.
in the UK the ep3 is the type r model that makes just over 200hp, and jdm version makes 220, shame the US version isnt the same for you guys
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K20a2/a3 the real type r is a k20a
I just got an ep3 I love it! Everything you said about the suspension, how the car acts over bumps, and wheels hopping...is exactly what I experienced driving it to the other day. Coming from a Ek with full suspension I definitely can tell the difference. This was a very informative video my dude thankyou!
Great review, a bit harsh though. If you think of this car as fast economy car, its amazing.
The practicality and fuel economy make it a much better daily driver than a 99'-00' Si.
Our driving styles are almost identical.
That makes your videos that much more effective for me.
Nice channel.
The difference between vtec and ivtec is variable timing control (VTC). Ivtec is a much more advanced technology and in proper configuration will deliver more power as well as a more balanced torque curve compared to traditional vtec setups. The difference being that the k20a3 is setup entirely for MPG, if I remember correctly from my RSX days; the ivtec in that motor is used primarily to create intake swirl at low RPM.
I used to have a base rsx with the same k20a3, and it was such a dog, definitely my least favorite DOHC Honda motor. It sounds and feels asthmatic, theres no low end torque and it runs out of breathe in the top end. I have a 9thgen si now and im much happier with it.
Agreed
your shift-steer coordination is really good man! wow!
Thinking of getting this car for my son as his first. Good idea
+Team Smoke Yes, great idea. Practical, reliable, fun, cheap, and will teach your son the basics of driving.
I think that for "i"VTEC, generally, the i just means it has cam phasing. For "ivtec" badged engines, whether the VTEC system is on one or both cams still varies for different model engines I think. :)
+TassieLorenzo You're right. The K20Z3 in the 8th gen Si, for example, has variable valve timing on both intake and exhaust cams so it feels similar to the old non-i VTEC motors. I didn't go too in-depth in this video, but for purposes of the EM1 vs EP3 comparison, the iVTEC in the EP3 can be considered milder since it lacks variable valve timing on the exhaust cam.
Awesome! I found someone who does proper test drives. Thank you!!!!
Nice review; BTW the I VTEC means that it uses VTC (Variable Timing Chain). Also, the k20A2 (Acura RSX Type S) head has VTEC on both cams. I believe that this car is wonderful for a daily driver that you could autocross. IMO it is the best road car with respect for bang for buck. And 1/4 is 15.6.
a stock ep3 quarter mile isnt 14.4........ far from it
Ah yes, the EP3, the car Honda didn't know what to do with. They knew they needed an SI, but didn't want it to outshine the RSX-S in the Us market. So we get: 4 lugs, 15" wheels, small brakes, 160hp 2.0l motor, tiny wang, OK Seats, 2 1/4" exhaust, and a long geared transmission.
The difference in shifters apart from placement is rod vs cable. B and D series transmissions use rods. F.H.K.J series use cables. Which set up do you guys prefer?
Well I definitely prefer the 02, 07, and 15 Civic So shifters to my old 99 with B16A2. They feel lighter and more precise.
love this gen. my fav hondas. nice vid.
" This 7th gen Si is notorious for ditching its predecessor's 8000rpm screaming VTEC motor, double wishbone front suspension, and hydraulic steering. " This US model is imported from England, and the English market had a 8000rpm K20 version (a Euro Type R, below the spec of a JDM Type R, that would have been perfected badged as an Si), you can only think that this despecced US EP3 Si was nothing more than a marketing decision by Honda to protect the RSX Type S...
+TassieLorenzo You're also right here! I have been neglecting to mention models outside of the USDM since most of my viewers are based here. But in general, Europe and Japan often get the more hardcore, less watered-down variants of performance cars. Especially hot hatches. It's a shame.
You need the jdm integra type r suspension and head with a K24 bottom end with an ecu & tune. I had a lightly modded ep3 k20head/K24, dyno at 280hp all motor with carbon fiber parts to lose weight... The base ep3 I always felt was lacking.
can you use the stock head off a k20a3 aka ep3 engine?
i love my EP3, i am a bit confused on what type of sporty Honda was going for the fact that a lot of this car honda stated was “rally inspired”. so am i supposed to street race it? or rally cross it?
you should post around midday instead of midnight, it will be a good way of getting more volatility and views for the videos.
+S2K MICKEY I'll keep that in mind, thanks.
I drive the same car, agree with the review. Wish it pulled harder, but makes a great dd and is pretty fun.
+tristan hutton Yes, I'd call it a "lukewarm" hatch, not a hot hatch. Good fun and daily driveability.
I just picked one up to commute a 100 miles a day.
@@reza_dc2 Sold mine 4 years ago, miss it. Needed a truck tho.
Wow after 7:30 you screeched those tires!! The owner was like wtf probably!! loL
He did? Thats weird I didn't hear it. I can chirp 2nd in my civic si so I wouldn't be suprised if he did screech the tires.
this car seems to be like a brz/frs/gt86/apache helicopter. get a good set of tires and brakes pads and go on a back road. radio off, windows down and enjoy! i missed my old honda even if it was a 2001, it was tighter than a 10 years newer hyundai or kia. i think i want to buy a ep3 si (si-r in Canada) just to enjoy backroads like i was 3-4 years ago with my 2001 accord.
I love my mk6 GTI and I think the dual exhaust on it looks great
I think dual exhausts can look great on any car that is reasonably sporty. Can't second the video uploader's opinion that they don't look good with 4 cylinder cars.
+WhiteSlift I have mixed feelings about it. Dual exit definitely looks great and can sound better than single, but single usually makes a little more power if you're looking to squeeze out every hp you can get.
Big question for those who don’t drive manuals is there a automatic?
This car has good ability to be something good. But stock it wasn't much because of the engine. The K20A3 in the base RSX is actually a better setup stock than the civic. The RSX doesn't have a Balance shaft in the oil pan. So that parasitic loss isn't there. And the RSX uses a intake manifold(albeit plastic) helps with low end torque. So you will the RSX actually has like 10lbs-ft of torque than the Civic. The Civic also has weaker tie rods. EP3 really sadden a lot of SI fans. But it has ability to be great though.
Is the EP3 in the US the same as the EP3 in Europe? The EP3 in Europe comes with the Type-R spoiler, which this guy said he put on after buying it
Base RSX is pretty the same as this car. Same engine, same chassis. The 05-06 Type S is the exciting one :P Closest thing to the DC5 Type R. They say that the DC5 RSX Type S got killed because the 8th gen Civic Si was pretty much better in every way. Better engine, better suspension, cheaper price, and unique interior (I still like the RSX interior better except for the rock hard seats). I'd love to see a comparison between the 8th gen Si and the RSX-S
+maximus9401 The day someone brings me a DC5 Type S, I'll do that comparison. :)
+maximus9401 I think the biggest difference was because the new SI came with LSD.
Jujutsuheiho Having driven both cars, I can say the LSD in the 8th gen Si makes a world of difference. Much more confidence exiting corners. I prefer the RSX-S interior design though.
In addition to the rsx, I'd like to see a del sol!
+dshen129 Ha, I forgot the del Sol existed. Anyone who has one, hit me up!
Good review. Your first video I saw was of your 4 month ownership of the NA1, as I'm doing my research for that as my next vehicle. Saw this video and just had to watch as it hits me in that sentimental spot with my Ep3. After DDing it since brand new in 2003 and just clearing 270k this weekend I'm ready to move on. I love the car, just not wanting to put the money, elbow grease and time into it to restore it to its glory days and still just be an old civic. Having had 3 S2k, and still owning a CR, it's time to move up lol
guiuliani2 Wow, 270k miles in 12 years is impressive. Another testament to Honda reliability. Also, you're lucky to own a CR. If it's feasible to hold onto it AND get an NSX, that would be a dream combo right there.
2.4l are okay, just have piston problems. most common issues with the 2.4l the rings go on them. work at Honda, and replaced a few of them
Yea those 2.4l are notorious for what the honda service dept douchebags call "piston slap" not covered under full powertrain warranty apparently
They should be covered under warranty. Well here in canada anyways
Dam your making me miss my old EP civic :(
Help me..I Want to know if it shares the same cv axle as other civics...will they be comparable? Thanks
Just subscribed
Did you mean caster not camber?
Please can someone tell me is it same engine like 2001 Honda Civic Vi ? here in Australia its diferent hmmm what is Si in australia is it Vi ?
does Sport Injected system are the same system with V-Tec ?
The EP3 chassi is the closest to a TypeR than any other Honda , EVER !
Also, K20a3 loves Boost ! U can easily make 300whp with stock internals , even more but to keep it safe , stay under 300whp
+Carmicha3l torque steer is the least of my worries on a boosted K
you should do a review of the integra DC2
+David Orantes I'd love to review a GSR or Type R DC2, just need to find some owners
I bet you never test driven an Acura CSX :)
Thinking about selling my ek hatch to get one of these.
mine goes up 7200 Rpms its supposed to be 6800 isn't it?
Faron goodson I think 6800 is just for stock civics
would like to see a 03-07 v6 6speed accord review. or 6speed TL
+J30a5 Accord Haven't found anyone with those cars yet. If anyone in the Bay Area has one, let me know. I'd also like to try a CL Type S.
Does stock have any get up and go?
Yes it does.
did they release that car in america? im in florida and ive never seen that car yet
The EP3 Si was released in the US. The EP3 Type R was not.
Zygrene thanks for the info boss. what led me to your video, I was looking at sunroof visors by weather tech for the 7th gen civics and it was asking me which type of model I had. I have the coupe model but I don't see an option for it. then I had to Google the civic hatchbacks which I thought they discontinued hatchback in the mid 90s due to my location. lol I'm going off topic but my question is, do you know which sunroof visor will fit on a 2002 civic coupe? the 3 door measurements or the 4 door measurements? I tried to Google the measurements but I can't find any results so it's making me a little salty lol
iThinkiHaveEbola I have no idea, sorry. I'm sure the Civic forums can help!
it's all good but thank u so much for replying to my concerns man
does anyone know what the thing is on his dash? above the vents.
+jason isbell If I'm not mistaken, that's a radar detector.
+Zygrene that's what I figured thanks man. I actually own an ep3 that brought me here nice review. these babies have alot of power in them you just have to sqweeze it out with a good tune.
+jason isbell It's actually an Airspencer air freshener haha
Sierra road & calaveras!
You should review an em1
+Dyllon Lester Still trying to find someone who will let me review theirs. I used to own this one: goo.gl/photos/fq7PJCudPRJfN7XXA
You could just go with a type s head and get actual vtec
Sorry the usdm version is a fraud
160 HP? I think maybe its 120
+gabrielwhite It's rated at 160hp from the factory
ok sorry must be because its us version! Here in Europe only exists as 90,120 or 160 as a Type R that revs to 8,500RPM
gabrielwhite I'm jealous. Europe always gets the Type R's. The only Type R we've gotten in the US so far is the DC2 Integra, and even then the engine is down-rated.
+Zygrene check out the 2016 type r :3
You are shifting way to much, most of the corners you should have been in 3rd and 4th no reason to even see 2nd let alone 5th.
Also yes the brakes might me weak but didn't help the car at all, you carried unnecessary weight into the corners by being in the wrong gear , also you were upsetting the suspension when in the wrong gear you should have used the redline and engine brake more often.
+Deiby Lopez stfu
"you carried unnecessary weight into the corners by being in the wrong gear" must have missed the vehicle dynamics lecture when they talked about this lol. The fact that you think he should use the redline but also see no reason to be in 2nd makes me wonder if you even have access to a car.
13:39
All i hear is whining could not even get halfway through. Honda Purist wont enjoy this one
s2000 is 4 cylinder and dual exhaust :P:P:P :D:D
+FreestylerAlbert True, and it's kind of silly since a single exhaust usually makes more power on an inline 4. Dual just looks/sounds better IMO.
Nice video you bring up a lot of good points and it's accurate. I use to have 00 si and I'm going to buy another car again. I kind of miss the 00 si but I hate it at the same time because it lacks a lot of features that comes stock in a modern car. I was thinking of buying the 05 si but I really hate the way it looks lol. Do you think its better to buy the 05 or 00 and why?
Hontoni Arigato I used to own a 99 Si, same generation as your 2000. The B16A2 engine is much more exciting than the K20A3 in the 02-05. It's harder to find the 99-00 in good condition, but if you can find one, it will hold its value better and be more fun to drive. 02-05 is more comfortable and practical, but that's about it.
When he was moving the shifter while driving made me cringe
You mean shifting?