To all those who say 'your GPU is bottlenecking your CPU'... you're missing the entire point of this video. This wasn't a CPU drag race between the 2600 and 3600. This was putting the 3600 into a real world scenario... a $1000 gaming PC, with an RX 580, gaming at 1080p, and comparing the difference between the two. Experience was the metric here. I was not attempting to see how much faster the 3600 was in raw compute performance. I was wanting to see, under real world gaming conditions, is there a noticeable difference between the two. Yes... I could have just benchmarked both chips with a 2080 Ti and said "Hey, look, it's about 13% faster" like every. other. review. site. did. But what information does that give the person actually considering purchasing this chip? Or the person with a R5 2600 NOW who is considering upgrading. Is the real world gaming performance 13% faster with a graphics card from the same tier? That's the question I set out to answer. Eliminating all bottlenecks is a great way to get relative performance of different components... but they often lack real world results when put together in configurations people actually use. No one is buying a Ryzen 3600 and pairing it with a 2080 Ti. Likewise, no one is buying a 9900k and buying an RX 550. Those tests tell you EXACTLY how much faster one CPU is than the other, or one GPU is from the other... but they're also not real world results. /rant
Yes indeed we must not forget the GPU Scaling: whether you use an i9 9900K, a R9 3900X or a ryzen 5 3600 on a RX 580, you will have exactly the same performance in game. Hardware Unboxed did a very good video on it. ruclips.net/video/pZGlhGjFUFM/видео.html
me, playing on the 1000usd pc: -hmmm seems this settings is too high for my gpu, the game is too heavy. can i change them to get more fps? you -no, you are bound. and this is real world me -great research man, exactly what we, 1000usd players, need
Respectfully for $1000 no one is going to buy a 2600 over a 3600 and if they do they will buy the 2600 used which would save them $80 and that $80 is a graphics card upgrade I built my system 4 years ago I have a 980ti that's on par with a 1070 I paid $400 for my graphics card new but I had to penny pinch for everything else even 4 years down the road (at the same budget) my graphics card out preforms the 580 by 40% in real world conditions most are not going to buy a gen old CPU and GPU new when they sell for considerable less used there are newer options that preform better for around the same price. Most folks who are going to build this system today would either be buying the stuff used or have a lower budget even at $1000 you still have plenty of money to upgrade the GPU if you decide to go used. This would be a reasonable $700-ish used system at most but even than that's still a $300 difference and you can get a newer graphics card for that making the comparison redundant to anyone other than the folks who currently own a 2600 and a 580 and are looking at a 3600.
Merit to both test methods, agree with your choice here, but a 2080ti as the highest performing gaming card would be both a bad pairing to a 2600 or 3600, and a guaranteed way to seperate cpu performance... In an unrealistic/unwise scenario. If the fps scores were the same there might be a point to the comments but there's still a clear difference
I just built a rig for my friend. He went from an FX 8320 to a 3700x. The shock on his face the first time he actually played a game was priceless, and his moans for not adopting Ryzen till now. He also never had an SSD, and went straight to a Samsung 960 evo nvme. Poor lil fella damn near had a heart attack. Who knew PHD students could be so stupid! Thanks for the content. As a 2600 owner I was curious if it was worth the upgrade. I guess I'll weight for Ryzen 2.5.
MrRagequitnow if you’re interested in the next generation of amd chips, I strongly recommend you watch Moore’s Law Is Dead’s videos about it. Tom is an excellent analyst on zen
it all depends on what gpu or work is done. If the bottleneck is the cpu part, the upgrade will be immense, if the gpu is weak, then the difference is weak also. Bottom line is, if you have any doubts about the upgrade, then it means you probably you don't need to. Soon, the r5 3500 is available and then the upgrade will be much easier.
Thanks for using an RX580 for this cpu comparison instead of the 2080Ti like everyone else. I have an FX 8350 and will be going to Ryzen 3000 around Xmas.
rtx 2080ti would make more sense though. switching from a 2600 to a 3600 on a 2070 super is also pretty big. switching from a 2600 to a 3600 on a 580 does barely anything due to just how bad that gpu is compared to the cpu. it really holds it back
It is worth an upgrade depending on what you play. i fyou play world of warcraft, or skyrim it is 100% worth an upgrade. I went from 55-60(2700x) fps ultra in wow raids to 95-110!!!!! And 3600 scales insanely well with memory. So I got a nice kit, oc'd it to 3800mhz 1900 flk and used the ryzen ram calculator to get it at cl16 with tight timings. That alone gives an extra 10-30 more fps depending on the game. So depending on what you play, or your monitors refresh rate it is one HELL of an upgrade. A generation leap.
@@crazytech5755 Yes, old games benefit hugely from single core performance upgrade. But i think there's something wrong with your 2700x system, 3600 only about 15% faster than 2700x single core, might be a boost from your Ram upgrade.
I just moved from a 2600 to a 3700X; wasn't a gaming-centric move, had more to do with rendering videos while staying within my budget range. The difference is totally noticeable (~40%+ performance improvement based on rough estimations), and would probably be even more dramatic if I were using Resolve instead of Adobe CC. Gaming isn't dramatically different, but smoothness is definitely improved. Also moved from 16 to 32 GB of DDR4, and sure as shit Adobe CC is actually leveraging it, along with the new cores and threads. Glad you made this video, always good to see what generational improvements actually do in specific scenarios.
Great conclusion. Its a relief my 2600 still a beast for a couple of years. Upgrading in a few generation makes sense. Still, I considering upgrade my rx 570 when navi 20 cards comes out
And as always - good video :) Very realistic point of view that is not centered around synthetic benchmarks. That is why I like this channel. Recently I've build a few Ryzen 3000 based PCs and it was a really nice experience. My personal rig has i7-8700k @ 4.9GHz and still Ryzen systems feel much snappier in general use.
I upgraded from an i7-3770 non-K to the Ryzen 5 3600. I'm so happy I waited for 3rd gen it's a mind-blowing increase. Kept my ASUS STRIX GAMING OC RX 480 8GB, don't need anything better.
I upgraded from 1600 to 3600 and am happy with the increase in performance. One thing I would say that might make the 2600 to 3600 upgrade viable is that you can always sell the old cpu on Ebay which would reduce the cost substantially. Say you sell the 2600 for $80, that would make the upgrade cost $120 not $200 which makes it much more appealing.
Indeed, unless your CPU is bottlenecking your GPU I don't see a reason to upgrade CPU's for gaming if you are after 60 fps +. The first gen Ryzen are really appealing at the moment with their really low prices and they will be great for gaming for at least another 3-4 years if not more. In my opinion for gaming at least it's a better idea to upgrade GPU's if you are first gen Ryzen owner or the RAM if you aren't using 16GB 3200CL16, though personally I wouldn't upgrade from 3000MHz if it's CL 16/15 to 3200 CL16. Not really worth the money. The only downside in my opinion for first gen Ryzen is the ram compatibility issue. People who build for the first time might face issues, so it's really good idea to follow the motherboard officially tested RAM's that are shown on their sites.
I'm managing to stay between 60-144 fps all depending on the game. I'm using a 1700x and I haven't really been too interested in current games. Although I should say that Arma 3 is monstrously hard to get good frames in. That's a game where I go as low as 24 fps.
Some days ago I upgrade r1200 to r1600 and gtx 1050ti to gtx 1660ti. I Can use high details instead medium in games and have no problem with recording / play / discord at same time. So im happy ; )
Thanks so much for this video! While a year old, I found it quite relevant in helping me decide between the upgrade or not. Your thoughts towards the end of the video (around 6-7 minutes) was truly inspiring and informative - I'll hold onto the beautiful 2600x for now :) It does the job and does it well - give credit where its due!
oh thank god! this video pop up, cause some other major tech youtubers never cover this and i think your the first one to do this one, not to mention i built my r5 2600 + gtx 1080 on feb 2019, and yes, it still gives the performance i need for a 1440p gaming (even if my monitor is 1440p 144hz, as long its on 100-ish fps, its fine with me), and most playing mmorpgs and casual triple A games, so its better to wait until zen 4 (most probably this needs a new mobo) or another 2 years for a graphics card (since i think most games are graphic card sided than cpu side afaik...)
lionelsioco123 you’d get better FPS and it would hold it a lot better than the 2600 could. 15% is a lot when it comes to gaming. The guy he used bottlenecks the 3600 so that’s why you didn’t see much of a boost
@@AlphaEvan well will see... right now im saving up for a gpu, and "hopefully" it will be stabilize (price and stock) around june or end of june, then after that ill be saving for a cpu until end of december, yes im saving it one by one, my money saving isnt that high much but im really planning on it (not to mention prices is different from other countries like mine here in philippines, demn taxes and shipping cost....sigh)
I don't even have a gaming PC yet, but was considering getting the Ryzen 5 2600x over the 2600 since I do not want to overclock. This is all new stuff for me.
Ive decided to get the 2600 for my first gaming pc since it has come down in price and is good for the money. I will also get a rx 580 8gb gpu for my pc as well.
Those 2 are the best value low budget parts for gaming you can buy at the moment. As long as you keep it to 1080p and around 60-75 fps screen you will be able to play everything on max settings. If u want 1440p and over 100fps you will have to invest a little more but for a first pc it will be an absolute winner. You can also cut more money if u but a legit windows licence from e bay for around 5$ instead of paying 100$ to microsoft.
@Manny Santiago yeah that's why I'm thinking to get it. I wanted the r7 2700 but for now I won"t use the 2 extra cores. Maybe the next year I'll upgrade to r7 3700x, and for gpu I want to wait and see how the rx5500 goes, I'm not a hardcore gamer. That's amazing you built your own arcade pal. Thanks for the feedback !
Good realistic review and conclusion! Nice to see your regular videos again, looking forward to more. Not everyone really needs the newest, greatest and best.. I am still doing fine with my i5-2600k@4,5Ghz, 8gb of ram and a RX570.. For what I use my pc, mainly video and browsing and some mixed gaming at 1080p. Upgrade when you need, not because there is new and better stuff.. Keep the good videos up!!
I've playing just fine with my 4770k @4.5Ghz for about 4 years or so just upgraded the gpu and it's been a dream. Looking forward for 2021 for that intel long awaited "Tock" launch.
So many people Just Upgrade because they want sth. New not because they actually need it. When i See comments Like my 6700k isnt fast enough anymore i Always think are you fucking stupid or sth 😉 Just get a netter GPU
From generation to generation is rarely worth it. Been building for more than 25 years - upgrade every 2nd or 3rd generation and you'll have great value and some peace of mind.
@@hornsteinhof7592 Question. I have a R5 2600 with a Geforce GTX 1080, yet I am experiencing slow FPS in games such as GTA V etc, will it benefit me at all if I upgrade?
@@briw3385 I wouldn't upgrade, the 2600 is still a VERY capable processor (the GTX 1080 surely is no bottleneck as well). Your config could profit from turning SMT off in the bios for GTA 5 (although it could benefit other games), see: ruclips.net/video/UiVWQ-f0BDU/видео.html Your RAM is configured in dual channel, I suppose? Remember, an update will give you like ten to 20 percent more min fps at best - like 44 or 48 instead of 40, which would still be a little slow. It's likely not going to do wonders for you. I'd keep the 2600 until the Ryzen 4XXX series arrives or longer. I'm on a 99 Euro Ryzen 1600 and will sell it when six cores start to get too little for AAA games (which will probably take a few years).
I definitely considered upgrading my 2600 to the 3600. Decided it wasn't worth it. I swapped my 580 to a 1660 super. Also didn't make enough of a difference to spend the money. 2600 and a rx580 is about the best bang for the buck on the market right now.
@@Rachxz good but 1660super would be better option depands on price in ur country dude and 1660super is less power consumption card and less temparture and its new card but as i say before it depends on price
Just wow. This person made me instantly subscribed. Is there anyone else loved the way he explain things? Like super detailed and very good choice of words. The part where he explain the fps average in CSGO and Hitman 2 was the best. He is exactly right, higher FPS difference doesn't mean the other is better already. Remember that anyone in this world can't see the perceptible difference since we can only suspect fps with 300 milliseconds.
It’s worth it tbh. Better 1% and .1% lows so it won’t drop and stutter. 15 - 25% performance boost depending the game. 15% is a lot when it comes to gaming. You might get a better cpu but end up bottlenecking it so it’s good to look at those things
Great video and the multi generation Jump is the main reason I still havent built a new pc. My current tower is a z87 paired with and I5 4690K and is just now starting to show its age. Planning to go Ryzen 3rd gen soon and reap the benefits of holding onto old tech.
I have a Ryzen 7 - 1700...was planning to upgrade to Zen 2 but I'll hold out another 6-8 months to see what's on the horizon for Zen 3. More than likely I'll jump to a 12 core part. Planning on streaming like crazy when Cyberpunk 2077 comes out.
I my dad wanted a PC for work, the r5 2600 is honestly one of the best for price to performance at 133$ first time going AMD too very happy but way to hot.
Thank you for this. Right now I'm running a i3-7100t paired with a rx570 and was looking to turn to team red for my cpu upgrade but kept going back and forth between the 2600 and 3600 and I feel more comfortable with going with the 2600 and not spending an extra $60+ on a few % increase
I just upgraded from a 2700X to 3700X because I play racing sims in VR and the performance increase was the difference between an almost constant 90FPS and ASW kicking in and dropping it to 45FPS too often.
My dad has a FX8150 and GTX 680 and has had about 6 years on it and is finally gonna upgrade! I got mine earlier this year and it’s a R7 2700 and GTX 1660ti and I’m probably not gonna upgrade for like 5-8 years and see what the future has then.
As far as that question at the end of the video is concerned, I have no planned upgrades at this time. I have a ryzen 7 1700x and an RX 480. Both are doing what they're supposed to be doing and sure some of the performance numbers from newer processors look nice I have no personal need of it.
I went from FX4300 to Ryzen 5 3600 and I bought an SSD. Man, I was really surprised how bad my FX + HDD PC was... I couldn't believe that gaming truly exists without lags and stutters 😂 Best upgrade ever! I will probably upgrade to Ryzen 5-6th when they come out.
Well yeah, any PC with an HDD is almost unbearable once you get used to SSD. I was testing an FX on 1 core at 6 GHz, and it was still ok, yep, 1 core/1 thread still fine for 2019 general use! I was shocked, like sure Cinebench lagged a touch when half a dozen game clients like Steam all fired up at once, but for the most part it went just fine. I personally prefer my Threadripper for the insane levels of multi-tasking I really do (I can game at 4k Ultra with my quad GPUs, and still run 4x Handbrake batch encodes at once while also rendering Vegas Pro, I really need to hook up more GPUs though, I used to run way more, like a Titan for CUDA and a couple spare RX cards for Open GL compute while gaming on Crossfire). But, for most people, anything with an SSD should be fine (and if you only have a duel core, Linux would be insanely fast since most people don’t have to rely on Windows exclusive CAD packages and basically everything else has a great or improved alternative on Linux, heck even gaming with Proton works for most games on Steam... for general use I don’t use Windows because it’s far too slow).
There's another way to look at this too. Today here a new 2600 is 130€, a 2600X is 160€, 3600 is 210€, and 3600X is 250€. As far as getting a good versatile CPU for little money goes, 2600 is an insane deal. And if you're not getting enough performance out of the 2600, that's incentive to look into getting more cores alongside newer architecture.
A six pack of Budweiser is a good starter rig, and you'll the need the ability to start the video out by jumping in front of the camera yelling "Hey youtubers, it's ya boy BerryHD!"
Be careful using the golden suds. The only market you will attract will be hipsters and seniors. Now if you want to bring in the philosophical type, I would drink Stella Artois. Not your demo, ok. Maybe some Miller Highlife. Whatever you do though, only drink michelob ultra if your target audience is chicks. And no matter what, avoid natty lights. You don't want that mess on your channel.
Dude out of all the youtube videos on these cpu's you are the only one that broke it down to where I could say maybe I don't need to spend all that money. Thank you will subscribe next time after you are done can you crush that beer.
I love how the theme of the video is comparing AMD cpu's. But you still manage to shit all over Intel. Music to my ears. Intel has had it coming for some time now.
Great video, I am getting soon a r5 1600 for 73 euro on aliexpress and I think that's really killer price-to-performance! Upgrading from an 4th gen i5. Specially the rocket league part was really interesting for me. Thanks!
The performance gains that you stated are at the unclocked CPU's, base clock speed. However, when boosting or overclocking (which you should defiantly do, on any of the 600's), the 2600 boosts/overclocks better than a 1600 and the 3600 even better still. Also, the 2600 and 3600 have XFR2 and Precision Boost 2 (which means far less fluctuations, in core frequencies) and both support faster memory. Also, the 3600 comes with built in support, for PCIe 4.0. If buying new, then the 2600 is pretty much the best value, when you take everything into account. But are any of them really worth upgrading to another....then, TBH, no not really, unless you can really, afford too.
My current cpu is a Ryzen 3 1200 and I just purchased a Ryzen 5 2600 My current GPU is an EVGA SUPERCLOCKED GTX 1070 16 GB DDR 4 Corsair vengeance RGB Pro Poopy Hdd boot drive but I have the Corsair MP 600 500Gb M.2 Nvme drive Motherboard is from the dell Inspiron gaming desktop.
Excellent video!!!! But.... I've got my eye on a Ryzen 9 3900x. In early 2016, I went Used-Xeon. Great build with a E5-2658 V3 for $500 (got 32GB of DDR4 for $120 before the prices went nuts). Ryzen had not been born yet, so a used Xeon was the best performance to price at that time. I thought I would be able to upgrade to a newer-used Xeon in the future. But because the 3900x is so ridiculously fast, currently it would be way-cheaper to buy a new MB and 3900x vs the fastest 2011-v3 Xeon I can find. The 3900x has a PassMark score of 31782. My E5-2658 has a PassMark score of 16298. The fastest used Xeon I can find on eBay that is below $1,000 only has a PassMark score in the low 20,000's. I do a lot of video transcoding and I need a ton load of cores/threads. AMD is definitely putting the thumb-screws to Intel!!!!
I've been happy with my 3900x - was tyre kicking for over 2 years. 12 cores should keep pace with most software for the next few years - glad I didn't get a Threadripper last December.
@@giovannip.1433 I was looking at Threadripper to. Until the 3900x came out, it was a toss up between higher-end Xeon or 1950x. For the most part, I am a thrifty-buyer. I don't need and don't care for the latest and greatest. I'll wait until prices are reasonable and the products have fully been tested and debugged. Unless a used high-end Xeon or used 1950x falls from the sky dirt-cheap, I will wait for the 3900x to fall in price in the next 12+ months.
Hmmm.....I am always buyşng my PC parts for Gaming. And i am currently using 8700K + Asus Rog Strix Gtx 1080 Ti O.C. But instead of 3900X i think 3700X should be much better for you ? Becouse between 3700X to 3900X has 170$ difference. But maybe you are using CPUs for another things ???
@@ErenJaeg4R I'm not a Gamer. If you hit "Read More" on my original post, you would see I transcode a lot of video. I need more and faster cores/threads.
It's almost like there a two kinds of Tech you-tubers; those that give you real world scenarios, numbers and advice (like this channel), and those that over-hype the latest and greatest and make you feel inadequate about your system no matter what your needs and budget are.
@@christophermartinz9845 Not if you have a 1660 ti or lower. There is no noticeable difference because the ryzen 5 2600 and 3600 are already powerful cpus. You can only tell if they are paired with a 2080ti.
To see the real gains of ryzen 3000 over ryzen 2000 you need a fast gpu. There won't be much gains using an RX 580. You will start seeing a difference on Vega 56 , in 1080p but not 1440p You will see a difference in the 5700 and 5700xt in 1080p and 1440p depending on how heavy the gpu is utilized. You will see a difference on a 2060 super and 2070 super. If you don't plan on getting a high end gpu , it's best to wait a while longer.
I upgraded from a fx 8320 to a 3600 and yes I noticed a massive increase respectively I was looking at the 2600 before these little beast's made their way to the shelves and thought might aswell go for it glad I did
I current use a i7 3770k pc which works great and a i7 6700 laptop for video editing 4k, I need a budget stop gap editing pc, so i settled on the Ryzen 5 3600 ,so is the upgrade worth it for me well after testing , the 3770k stock settings the Ryzen5 3600 out performed it buy +/- 50% and the 6700 by +/- 40% . for me it was worth it .
@@lucasrem kind old does not mean that it does not work , both pc s work on a daily base editing video , many people in many countries around the world are not as forunate to be able to aford new pcs every year or 3. we use the equiment till they died. You very lucky to be able to have the advantage to do this .selling productive equipment is a wast
HOLY SHIT... this was the best Video concerning the comparison between the r5 3600 and 2600, you really got it on point and even better you proved my expectations and helped me choosing which one. This boy got a SUB and an LIKE from me. Keep it going, have a good one!
"Fx... You was like a son to me.. You still my best friend.... But the time has come... Now i should replace you with Ryzen 5 3600. This is your future-future-future son. He is 2x faster and more powerful and power efficiently than you. You did the great gob. I will always remember all those games we get through together... Press F - Fx-8320/50/70. You're iconic product of the future from the past." P.s. selling Fx8320 used - 35$. Who wants some cores? 😂😭
I`ll upgrade to a Ryzen 5 2600. I can spend the remaining money i have to get other components and get an aftermarket cooler with that. a $130 6core 12 thread cpu now aint bad and pairing it with the gtx 1660. ill be happy with that build for like 5 - 6 years until i upgrade to a new platform say like AM5 with 6th gen to 8th Ryzen.
Well done on using a sensible GPU with the 3600 with the rx 580, so many people use atleast 1660 or 2080s most people who are looking at 360p chips are gonna be opting for a 580 as they are likley on a budget
Brought a 2600 for £109 instead of the 3600 for £155 and very happy. Had a play with overclocking (don't use use it, but was intrigued) and achieved 4.1 on a long term Prime95 test. Nice and quiet for a 65w CPU and much better performance than my previous i5-7500...especially in regards to Blender work.
The R5 2600 is $119 at newegg and amazon, and with a decent AM4 motherboard with best MOSFETs you can easily overclock it to 4.2GHz. I use one currently with a RTX 2080, and the CPU does not bottleneck.
I would say to get the 3600. I have a MSI B450M Pro MB that I had a 1200 on. I pulled the trigger on the 3600 and it's like Night and Day.....just a thought ✌
@@simorx580 - Yeah. That's what I was thinking when I said to get the 3600 instead of the 2600. They both have 65w TDP, better ram support, and being a newer skew it will be relevant longer. I don't think I'll have to replace mine for another 3 years. I plan on building a better system maybe next year just so I will have the "best gaming" but I this one will still be a daily. I just recycled my 1200 into a Plex Server to replace my older hardware......
Upgrading from an Intel i3-4170 I'll tell you how it goes lads Edit: Ho. Lee. Shit. This CPU is fucking amazing. Cooled by a Noctua NH-U12S there's not a fucking sound. I'm in love. Buy this CPU, it's fucking great!
@@NotAnAlienlol We are comparing two CPU's against each other using a GPU that holds a constant 100% utilization load regardless of which one is in the socket .. I would at least like to know if the 750ti is any better than a 2080ti in real world conditions with a Pentium 4 CPU. If I was a betting man I would wager under these conditions regardless of which GPU is used they will both equally utilize the CPU at 100% just proving a 750ti is on par with a 2080ti.
Totally agree!! that's why I'm waiting to get a 3900x soon as it hit the shelfs in Europe to upgrade. The 2600 will go to a small proxmox server. Now... I can see Ryzen being better than sliced bread, but better than beer!?? Those people are nuts... 😂
To all those who say 'your GPU is bottlenecking your CPU'... you're missing the entire point of this video. This wasn't a CPU drag race between the 2600 and 3600. This was putting the 3600 into a real world scenario... a $1000 gaming PC, with an RX 580, gaming at 1080p, and comparing the difference between the two. Experience was the metric here. I was not attempting to see how much faster the 3600 was in raw compute performance. I was wanting to see, under real world gaming conditions, is there a noticeable difference between the two.
Yes... I could have just benchmarked both chips with a 2080 Ti and said "Hey, look, it's about 13% faster" like every. other. review. site. did. But what information does that give the person actually considering purchasing this chip? Or the person with a R5 2600 NOW who is considering upgrading. Is the real world gaming performance 13% faster with a graphics card from the same tier?
That's the question I set out to answer.
Eliminating all bottlenecks is a great way to get relative performance of different components... but they often lack real world results when put together in configurations people actually use. No one is buying a Ryzen 3600 and pairing it with a 2080 Ti. Likewise, no one is buying a 9900k and buying an RX 550. Those tests tell you EXACTLY how much faster one CPU is than the other, or one GPU is from the other... but they're also not real world results.
/rant
Yes indeed we must not forget the GPU Scaling: whether you use an i9 9900K, a R9 3900X or a ryzen 5 3600 on a RX 580, you will have exactly the same performance in game.
Hardware Unboxed did a very good video on it.
ruclips.net/video/pZGlhGjFUFM/видео.html
I agree
me, playing on the 1000usd pc:
-hmmm seems this settings is too high for my gpu, the game is too heavy. can i change them to get more fps?
you
-no, you are bound. and this is real world
me
-great research man, exactly what we, 1000usd players, need
Respectfully for $1000 no one is going to buy a 2600 over a 3600 and if they do they will buy the 2600 used which would save them $80 and that $80 is a graphics card upgrade I built my system 4 years ago I have a 980ti that's on par with a 1070 I paid $400 for my graphics card new but I had to penny pinch for everything else even 4 years down the road (at the same budget) my graphics card out preforms the 580 by 40% in real world conditions most are not going to buy a gen old CPU and GPU new when they sell for considerable less used there are newer options that preform better for around the same price.
Most folks who are going to build this system today would either be buying the stuff used or have a lower budget even at $1000 you still have plenty of money to upgrade the GPU if you decide to go used. This would be a reasonable $700-ish used system at most but even than that's still a $300 difference and you can get a newer graphics card for that making the comparison redundant to anyone other than the folks who currently own a 2600 and a 580 and are looking at a 3600.
Merit to both test methods, agree with your choice here, but a 2080ti as the highest performing gaming card would be both a bad pairing to a 2600 or 3600, and a guaranteed way to seperate cpu performance... In an unrealistic/unwise scenario. If the fps scores were the same there might be a point to the comments but there's still a clear difference
Possible reasons to buy any cpu after 1 year
1. Your cpu is fried.
2. Your cpu was stolen
3. You need more power and are jumping at least one entire tier and generation.
4. Your budget not bottlenecked
5. realizing earth is flat
6. i cant say if you are a real flat earther or you are joking
Imagine a thief stealing just the CPU from the system and leaves everything else.
I just built a rig for my friend. He went from an FX 8320 to a 3700x. The shock on his face the first time he actually played a game was priceless, and his moans for not adopting Ryzen till now. He also never had an SSD, and went straight to a Samsung 960 evo nvme. Poor lil fella damn near had a heart attack. Who knew PHD students could be so stupid! Thanks for the content. As a 2600 owner I was curious if it was worth the upgrade. I guess I'll weight for Ryzen 2.5.
There will be no Zen2+. Next year's Ryzen 4000 will be Zen3 on 7nm+. So no die shrink but a new process and new architecture.
@@CheapBastard1988 Even better! I was just generalizing the Next Ryzen, past Ryzen 2, as Ryzen 2.5. More better, is more better.
MrRagequitnow if you’re interested in the next generation of amd chips, I strongly recommend you watch Moore’s Law Is Dead’s videos about it. Tom is an excellent analyst on zen
2600 will still ne fine eben Zen 3 comes Out.
@@MrRagequitnow zen 3 will be the 4000 series and I found that it's rumored to be very good value and performance to go with it
upgrading from a ryzen 1200 to 3600 next few days :D
HUGE update! Enjoy!
Can you update the perceptable difference? On paper it should be night and day. Happy gaming dude! 😊
Cries in r5 1600 😭
it all depends on what gpu or work is done.
If the bottleneck is the cpu part, the upgrade will be immense, if the gpu is weak, then the difference is weak also.
Bottom line is, if you have any doubts about the upgrade, then it means you probably you don't need to.
Soon, the r5 3500 is available and then the upgrade will be much easier.
3x the performance 😅
07:15 you're welcome
I understand that, but if i am buying a new pc is it worth going for the 3600 or 2600? The price difference is about 15%
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Thanks
Thanks for using an RX580 for this cpu comparison instead of the 2080Ti like everyone else. I have an FX 8350 and will be going to Ryzen 3000 around Xmas.
I have almost the same specs, oof
I came from FX-8350 (using it as a 2nd gaming PC, as it still runs great), and now have a Ryzen 2600X.
The reason the best gpu possible is used, is to remove the gpu bottleneck when comparing Cpu's. This has been explained many many times by now lol...
amd a10-9620P, RX540 , playing doom and warframe also warthunder 60fps linux+proton (war thunder vulkan native)
rtx 2080ti would make more sense though. switching from a 2600 to a 3600 on a 2070 super is also pretty big.
switching from a 2600 to a 3600 on a 580 does barely anything due to just how bad that gpu is compared to the cpu. it really holds it back
imo it's not worth ugrading from 2600 to 3600. But if you are getting a brand new system, 3600 is the way to go
@Falco Gaming go 3600 it's the best bang for buck
@Timmy P no iis not . Is like 15% increase 3600 worth to get
@Timmy P because it's pre-overclocked. If I overclock my 3600 then I'm beating it again
It is worth an upgrade depending on what you play.
i fyou play world of warcraft, or skyrim it is 100% worth an upgrade.
I went from 55-60(2700x) fps ultra in wow raids to 95-110!!!!!
And 3600 scales insanely well with memory.
So I got a nice kit, oc'd it to 3800mhz 1900 flk and used the ryzen ram calculator to get it at cl16 with tight timings.
That alone gives an extra 10-30 more fps depending on the game.
So depending on what you play, or your monitors refresh rate it is one HELL of an upgrade. A generation leap.
@@crazytech5755 Yes, old games benefit hugely from single core performance upgrade. But i think there's something wrong with your 2700x system, 3600 only about 15% faster than 2700x single core, might be a boost from your Ram upgrade.
I just moved from a 2600 to a 3700X; wasn't a gaming-centric move, had more to do with rendering videos while staying within my budget range. The difference is totally noticeable (~40%+ performance improvement based on rough estimations), and would probably be even more dramatic if I were using Resolve instead of Adobe CC. Gaming isn't dramatically different, but smoothness is definitely improved. Also moved from 16 to 32 GB of DDR4, and sure as shit Adobe CC is actually leveraging it, along with the new cores and threads.
Glad you made this video, always good to see what generational improvements actually do in specific scenarios.
2500K OC to 4.4 now and planning a Ryzen 3600 when the prices drop in my part of the world.
Woot! THE most relevant Video to me this year on any YT channel.
This man is wise! He helped to make decision on future upgrade, whether its worth your money or not. *this is not a video for the rich.
Great conclusion. Its a relief my 2600 still a beast for a couple of years. Upgrading in a few generation makes sense. Still, I considering upgrade my rx 570 when navi 20 cards comes out
Still considering Navi? 👀
And as always - good video :) Very realistic point of view that is not centered around synthetic benchmarks. That is why I like this channel. Recently I've build a few Ryzen 3000 based PCs and it was a really nice experience. My personal rig has i7-8700k @ 4.9GHz and still Ryzen systems feel much snappier in general use.
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I upgraded from an i7-3770 non-K to the Ryzen 5 3600. I'm so happy I waited for 3rd gen it's a mind-blowing increase. Kept my ASUS STRIX GAMING OC RX 480 8GB, don't need anything better.
Good to know. In the same boat hopefully soon.
My rule of thumb, if ain't that old and/or obsolete. Don't change it! No point.
__Mort3012__ so I guess my i5 2500k is up for an upgrade then! 😂
I upgraded from 1600 to 3600 and am happy with the increase in performance. One thing I would say that might make the 2600 to 3600 upgrade viable is that you can always sell the old cpu on Ebay which would reduce the cost substantially. Say you sell the 2600 for $80, that would make the upgrade cost $120 not $200 which makes it much more appealing.
My R5 1600 with rx 580 and 16gb 3000mhz, still gives me 60 fps at most games.
Indeed, unless your CPU is bottlenecking your GPU I don't see a reason to upgrade CPU's for gaming if you are after 60 fps +. The first gen Ryzen are really appealing at the moment with their really low prices and they will be great for gaming for at least another 3-4 years if not more. In my opinion for gaming at least it's a better idea to upgrade GPU's if you are first gen Ryzen owner or the RAM if you aren't using 16GB 3200CL16, though personally I wouldn't upgrade from 3000MHz if it's CL 16/15 to 3200 CL16. Not really worth the money.
The only downside in my opinion for first gen Ryzen is the ram compatibility issue.
People who build for the first time might face issues, so it's really good idea to follow the motherboard officially tested RAM's that are shown on their sites.
Me too. But i ended up upgrading to 3700x 🤣
Me too but with a gtx 1060 6gb pny and well with the NEW bios update have som improves but some issues too
I'm managing to stay between 60-144 fps all depending on the game. I'm using a 1700x and I haven't really been too interested in current games.
Although I should say that Arma 3 is monstrously hard to get good frames in. That's a game where I go as low as 24 fps.
([{ 5700XT}]) is right for you.
Some days ago I upgrade r1200 to r1600 and gtx 1050ti to gtx 1660ti.
I Can use high details instead medium in games and have no problem with recording / play / discord at same time.
So im happy ; )
Thanks so much for this video! While a year old, I found it quite relevant in helping me decide between the upgrade or not. Your thoughts towards the end of the video (around 6-7 minutes) was truly inspiring and informative - I'll hold onto the beautiful 2600x for now :) It does the job and does it well - give credit where its due!
bought my ryzen 5 2600 just 4 months ago and still quite happy about it since the 3000 series just went beyond the SRP in my country
oh thank god! this video pop up, cause some other major tech youtubers never cover this and i think your the first one to do this one, not to mention i built my r5 2600 + gtx 1080 on feb 2019, and yes, it still gives the performance i need for a 1440p gaming (even if my monitor is 1440p 144hz, as long its on 100-ish fps, its fine with me), and most playing mmorpgs and casual triple A games, so its better to wait until zen 4 (most probably this needs a new mobo) or another 2 years for a graphics card (since i think most games are graphic card sided than cpu side afaik...)
lionelsioco123 you’d get better FPS and it would hold it a lot better than the 2600 could. 15% is a lot when it comes to gaming. The guy he used bottlenecks the 3600 so that’s why you didn’t see much of a boost
@@AlphaEvan well will see... right now im saving up for a gpu, and "hopefully" it will be stabilize (price and stock) around june or end of june, then after that ill be saving for a cpu until end of december, yes im saving it one by one, my money saving isnt that high much but im really planning on it (not to mention prices is different from other countries like mine here in philippines, demn taxes and shipping cost....sigh)
I don't even have a gaming PC yet, but was considering getting the Ryzen 5 2600x over the 2600 since I do not want to overclock. This is all new stuff for me.
Ive decided to get the 2600 for my first gaming pc since it has come down in price and is good for the money. I will also get a rx 580 8gb gpu for my pc as well.
Those 2 are the best value low budget parts for gaming you can buy at the moment. As long as you keep it to 1080p and around 60-75 fps screen you will be able to play everything on max settings. If u want 1440p and over 100fps you will have to invest a little more but for a first pc it will be an absolute winner. You can also cut more money if u but a legit windows licence from e bay for around 5$ instead of paying 100$ to microsoft.
zoomborg tasos Yeah I found the key on scdkey website for 16 bucks which is not bad. Eventually one day ill invest in a 1440p monitor.
I haven't gone over 34% cpu usage yet on my 2600 (a year old)
Same, it kicks so good for its price
It will do the job and more , great cpu , and gpu . Will be good for some time .
Upgrading from the Athlon 200GE to the Athlon 3000G! I'm so happy, it will be expensive but worth it!
im glad i decided to stick with my 2600, pairs well with my new rtx 2070 founders edition.
Do u do any VR? Curious how it handles
@@theVRpilot no vr but is very powerful performs great, perfect 2k card.
@Manny Santiago should I go for a r5 2600 since it's really at a good price ? I just want to upgrade to a budget pc
@Manny Santiago yeah that's why I'm thinking to get it. I wanted the r7 2700 but for now I won"t use the 2 extra cores. Maybe the next year I'll upgrade to r7 3700x, and for gpu I want to wait and see how the rx5500 goes, I'm not a hardcore gamer.
That's amazing you built your own arcade pal. Thanks for the feedback !
Thanks for this. I have been thinking about this very upgrade and you helped me decide to stay with the 5 2600x.
Good realistic review and conclusion!
Nice to see your regular videos again, looking forward to more.
Not everyone really needs the newest, greatest and best..
I am still doing fine with my i5-2600k@4,5Ghz, 8gb of ram and a RX570..
For what I use my pc, mainly video and browsing and some mixed gaming at 1080p.
Upgrade when you need, not because there is new and better stuff..
Keep the good videos up!!
I've playing just fine with my 4770k @4.5Ghz for about 4 years or so just upgraded the gpu and it's been a dream. Looking forward for 2021 for that intel long awaited "Tock" launch.
Prediction... Intel won't 'tock' until 2023.
So many people Just Upgrade because they want sth. New not because they actually need it. When i See comments Like my 6700k isnt fast enough anymore i Always think are you fucking stupid or sth 😉 Just get a netter GPU
@@AzumDzumHzumS true
Thanks for the video. As an owner of the Ryzen 2600 I wondered if an upgrade would be worth it.
From generation to generation is rarely worth it. Been building for more than 25 years - upgrade every 2nd or 3rd generation and you'll have great value and some peace of mind.
@@hornsteinhof7592 Question. I have a R5 2600 with a Geforce GTX 1080, yet I am experiencing slow FPS in games such as GTA V etc, will it benefit me at all if I upgrade?
@@briw3385 I wouldn't upgrade, the 2600 is still a VERY capable processor (the GTX 1080 surely is no bottleneck as well). Your config could profit from turning SMT off in the bios for GTA 5 (although it could benefit other games), see: ruclips.net/video/UiVWQ-f0BDU/видео.html
Your RAM is configured in dual channel, I suppose? Remember, an update will give you like ten to 20 percent more min fps at best - like 44 or 48 instead of 40, which would still be a little slow. It's likely not going to do wonders for you. I'd keep the 2600 until the Ryzen 4XXX series arrives or longer. I'm on a 99 Euro Ryzen 1600 and will sell it when six cores start to get too little for AAA games (which will probably take a few years).
I definitely considered upgrading my 2600 to the 3600. Decided it wasn't worth it. I swapped my 580 to a 1660 super. Also didn't make enough of a difference to spend the money. 2600 and a rx580 is about the best bang for the buck on the market right now.
Yo I'm trying to build a PC, do you think a 2600 with a rx 590 is good? Or should I look for a better gpu?
@@Rachxz good but 1660super would be better option depands on price in ur country dude and 1660super is less power consumption card and less temparture and its new card but as i say before it depends on price
@@kabadujoin5368 thanks bro
Just wow. This person made me instantly subscribed. Is there anyone else loved the way he explain things? Like super detailed and very good choice of words. The part where he explain the fps average in CSGO and Hitman 2 was the best. He is exactly right, higher FPS difference doesn't mean the other is better already. Remember that anyone in this world can't see the perceptible difference since we can only suspect fps with 300 milliseconds.
Really hard to justify moving from 2600 to 3600. Might just wait till I can afford a larger upgrade.
It’s worth it tbh. Better 1% and .1% lows so it won’t drop and stutter. 15 - 25% performance boost depending the game. 15% is a lot when it comes to gaming. You might get a better cpu but end up bottlenecking it so it’s good to look at those things
You should consider changing the way you display those benchmark numbers. It is very confusing to compare between them.
Fantastic video! I find this very helpful in counteracting then "New Shiny" obsession, good to know these results.
Great video and the multi generation Jump is the main reason I still havent built a new pc. My current tower is a z87 paired with and I5 4690K and is just now starting to show its age. Planning to go Ryzen 3rd gen soon and reap the benefits of holding onto old tech.
I had the same CPU, bought the i7 4770 and see a big performance on games, now with the 3600 its far more better, since its a true 6 core
I have a Ryzen 7 - 1700...was planning to upgrade to Zen 2 but I'll hold out another 6-8 months to see what's on the horizon for Zen 3. More than likely I'll jump to a 12 core part. Planning on streaming like crazy when Cyberpunk 2077 comes out.
Same situation here, probably will upgrade graphics for now.
@@thecman26 I'm waiting for big navi before I make a GPU upgrade
I'm upgrading too a 2600x as my fx6300 is awful. But I think I'll upgrade too the 4700x when zen 3 comes out
I'm so satisfied with my R7 1700X + Asus GTX 1060 6GB ! Gaming on 2K for 320e ( cpu/gpu ) !
I my dad wanted a PC for work, the r5 2600 is honestly one of the best for price to performance at 133$ first time going AMD too very happy but way to hot.
Thank you for this. Right now I'm running a i3-7100t paired with a rx570 and was looking to turn to team red for my cpu upgrade but kept going back and forth between the 2600 and 3600 and I feel more comfortable with going with the 2600 and not spending an extra $60+ on a few % increase
went from 2500k to 3700x, amazing so far
Thanks. This knock out the sense in me. Limited 5y00x stock and was trying to look at 3600 as an alternative and this answered it
Love the episode! Finally a comparison that matters!
I just upgraded from a 2700X to 3700X because I play racing sims in VR and the performance increase was the difference between an almost constant 90FPS and ASW kicking in and dropping it to 45FPS too often.
Nice looking glass
I just went from an FX 8350 to a Ryzen 3600. Was waiting for Ryzen to mature and glad I waited.
What motherboard and GPU do you have?
@@dionmiller8547 MSI B450 gaming plus, ASrock Radeon RX 5700
Watching that drink go down every cut was hilarious
Thank you!! Thank you for not using a fricking 2080 for the comparison! Pairing ryzen 3600 with my gtx 1070 soon
You should go to the Ryzen 7 3700X. That is were you get a nice bump in performance and you get 2 additional core and 4 additional HyperThreads.
My dad has a FX8150 and GTX 680 and has had about 6 years on it and is finally gonna upgrade! I got mine earlier this year and it’s a R7 2700 and GTX 1660ti and I’m probably not gonna upgrade for like 5-8 years and see what the future has then.
i7 4790 (non-K), RX 590 and 1920x1200 60hz monitor. I'm still doing OK with my games. Guess I'll wait one more round.
Upgrading your CPU only makes sense, if you upgrade your GPU as well for gaming...
Got a 4790 myself. Good CPU.
I'm rocking a 1600x and 1070 combo. Plays almost every game out there in 1080p in ultra on 60+ fps. GPU is a lot more important than CPU for gaming.
The next upgrade for me will be a high refresh rate screen.
As far as that question at the end of the video is concerned, I have no planned upgrades at this time. I have a ryzen 7 1700x and an RX 480. Both are doing what they're supposed to be doing and sure some of the performance numbers from newer processors look nice I have no personal need of it.
I went from FX4300 to Ryzen 5 3600 and I bought an SSD. Man, I was really surprised how bad my FX + HDD PC was... I couldn't believe that gaming truly exists without lags and stutters 😂 Best upgrade ever! I will probably upgrade to Ryzen 5-6th when they come out.
Well yeah, any PC with an HDD is almost unbearable once you get used to SSD. I was testing an FX on 1 core at 6 GHz, and it was still ok, yep, 1 core/1 thread still fine for 2019 general use! I was shocked, like sure Cinebench lagged a touch when half a dozen game clients like Steam all fired up at once, but for the most part it went just fine.
I personally prefer my Threadripper for the insane levels of multi-tasking I really do (I can game at 4k Ultra with my quad GPUs, and still run 4x Handbrake batch encodes at once while also rendering Vegas Pro, I really need to hook up more GPUs though, I used to run way more, like a Titan for CUDA and a couple spare RX cards for Open GL compute while gaming on Crossfire). But, for most people, anything with an SSD should be fine (and if you only have a duel core, Linux would be insanely fast since most people don’t have to rely on Windows exclusive CAD packages and basically everything else has a great or improved alternative on Linux, heck even gaming with Proton works for most games on Steam... for general use I don’t use Windows because it’s far too slow).
There's another way to look at this too. Today here a new 2600 is 130€, a 2600X is 160€, 3600 is 210€, and 3600X is 250€. As far as getting a good versatile CPU for little money goes, 2600 is an insane deal.
And if you're not getting enough performance out of the 2600, that's incentive to look into getting more cores alongside newer architecture.
you, good sir, have a very angry look on your face the whole time and it's kinda funny :D
It's, i don't know how he's able to keep that angry look the whole vid
You cleared my mind dude. I think I'll be keeping my R5 2600 for 4 more years
U still got it?
@@tobytran1246 yes mate and it's still doing great
how much beer do i need to starts my own tech n streaming channel..?
Yes
A six pack of Budweiser is a good starter rig, and you'll the need the ability to start the video out by jumping in front of the camera yelling "Hey youtubers, it's ya boy BerryHD!"
Be careful using the golden suds. The only market you will attract will be hipsters and seniors. Now if you want to bring in the philosophical type, I would drink Stella Artois. Not your demo, ok. Maybe some Miller Highlife. Whatever you do though, only drink michelob ultra if your target audience is chicks. And no matter what, avoid natty lights. You don't want that mess on your channel.
@@2ndAmendmentedYoAss I thought only dad's who are Carpenters drank Michelob.
As much as you can take . hic
Dude out of all the youtube videos on these cpu's you are the only one that broke it down to where I could say maybe I don't need to spend all that money. Thank you will subscribe next time after you are done can you crush that beer.
I love how the theme of the video is comparing AMD cpu's. But you still manage to shit all over Intel. Music to my ears. Intel has had it coming for some time now.
The 1% and .1% has a huge difference so it’s honestly worth the upgrade from a 2600 to 3600
I now have proof that beer evaporates very fast.. I always just thought I was drunk...SUBBED
the longer the night the more it will disappear . the smaller the glass it will go even quicker , well thats what i find . im p*******d
Great video, I am getting soon a r5 1600 for 73 euro on aliexpress and I think that's really killer price-to-performance! Upgrading from an 4th gen i5. Specially the rocket league part was really interesting for me. Thanks!
i can confirm the r5 1600 rock the games enough :)
Dont buy pc parts on aliexpress... Its a scam.
@@simorx580 dude I have bought quite a few and so far I had no problems... fingers crossed my r5 1600 will be fine
@@bioresadent then you are lucky because i am pretty happy when my case on phone for 3$ arrive. Arrive!
@@simorx580 maybe you are unlucky dud :S
1600 = $130
2600 = $150
3600= $235
performance gains 10% between 1600 & 2600, then 15% between 2600 & 3600.
150/130 = 1,15 nope
235/150 = 1,56 very nope
235/130 = 1,81 nope
If you have an FX; 2 FX cores = 1 Ryzen core
I have seen the 2600 for a bit over 100€ while the 3600 is around 200€.
The performance gains that you stated are at the unclocked CPU's, base clock speed. However, when boosting or overclocking (which you should defiantly do, on any of the 600's), the 2600 boosts/overclocks better than a 1600 and the 3600 even better still. Also, the 2600 and 3600 have XFR2 and Precision Boost 2 (which means far less fluctuations, in core frequencies) and both support faster memory. Also, the 3600 comes with built in support, for PCIe 4.0.
If buying new, then the 2600 is pretty much the best value, when you take everything into account. But are any of them really worth upgrading to another....then, TBH, no not really, unless you can really, afford too.
My current cpu is a Ryzen 3 1200 and I just purchased a Ryzen 5 2600
My current GPU is an EVGA SUPERCLOCKED GTX 1070
16 GB DDR 4 Corsair vengeance RGB Pro
Poopy Hdd boot drive but I have the Corsair MP 600 500Gb M.2 Nvme drive
Motherboard is from the dell Inspiron gaming desktop.
Excellent video!!!! But.... I've got my eye on a Ryzen 9 3900x. In early 2016, I went Used-Xeon. Great build with a E5-2658 V3 for $500 (got 32GB of DDR4 for $120 before the prices went nuts). Ryzen had not been born yet, so a used Xeon was the best performance to price at that time. I thought I would be able to upgrade to a newer-used Xeon in the future. But because the 3900x is so ridiculously fast, currently it would be way-cheaper to buy a new MB and 3900x vs the fastest 2011-v3 Xeon I can find. The 3900x has a PassMark score of 31782. My E5-2658 has a PassMark score of 16298. The fastest used Xeon I can find on eBay that is below $1,000 only has a PassMark score in the low 20,000's. I do a lot of video transcoding and I need a ton load of cores/threads. AMD is definitely putting the thumb-screws to Intel!!!!
I've been happy with my 3900x - was tyre kicking for over 2 years. 12 cores should keep pace with most software for the next few years - glad I didn't get a Threadripper last December.
@@giovannip.1433 I was looking at Threadripper to. Until the 3900x came out, it was a toss up between higher-end Xeon or 1950x. For the most part, I am a thrifty-buyer. I don't need and don't care for the latest and greatest. I'll wait until prices are reasonable and the products have fully been tested and debugged. Unless a used high-end Xeon or used 1950x falls from the sky dirt-cheap, I will wait for the 3900x to fall in price in the next 12+ months.
Hmmm.....I am always buyşng my PC parts for Gaming. And i am currently using 8700K + Asus Rog Strix Gtx 1080 Ti O.C.
But instead of 3900X i think 3700X should be much better for you ? Becouse between 3700X to 3900X has 170$ difference. But maybe you are using CPUs for another things ???
@@ErenJaeg4R I'm not a Gamer. If you hit "Read More" on my original post, you would see I transcode a lot of video. I need more and faster cores/threads.
I have a Ryzen 2600 and GTX 1080 here. I have no plans for an upgrade until 2020, when we’ll see the Ryzen 4000 and RTX 3000 lineups.
Same I have 2600x and a 1070ti, my only upgrade will be if I can't get 60fps high settings on cyberpunk 2077. When released.
Eeeeehhh I'm still gonna do it. Then I can sell the 2600 to one of my friends for cheap (they have a 4670k)
Good point - it's not a $200 upgrade because you can sell the 2600 for $100 to $140, so the true cost of upgrading is smaller.
skip this gen and get 4000 serie 12 core
It's almost like there a two kinds of Tech you-tubers; those that give you real world scenarios, numbers and advice (like this channel), and those that over-hype the latest and greatest and make you feel inadequate about your system no matter what your needs and budget are.
Upgraded my rig to a 2600 about 2 months ago from an I5 4590. This CPU doesnt hit 100% at all in games. my I5 used to ping at 99% alot. Hella good CPU
I have a 4590 also, its starting bottleneck, ex:Fifa 20. Is it good idea to jump 2600x or 2700x? I dont have a budjet for 3600
Ibrahim Deliboyraz if you can go 2700x. The 2600 is good but the 2700x is a good price right now.
@@MrKillroy26 thx bro i think i will go with 2600x
Ibrahim Deliboyraz good choice, dont OC it with the stock cooler tho. It gets pretty toasty.
I like your view on upgrades and agree with your thoughts on it. I enjoyed the video.
Im gonna upgrade from 4770k to 3600. Intels security issues had me do it.
I went from i7 2600 to 3700X
I just upgraded from fx 8350 to a Ryzen 1600 AF. Aka 2600. Loving the new performance.
me too xD
Haha now I feel good about buying my 2600
Very underrated channel! I love the video quality, I look forward to seeing more of your videos!
I wanted a 1600X to 3600X upgrade but decided to wait for a 1900X to TR ZEN2 upgrade. I don't know if AMD will offer a 12 or 16 core TR ZEN2 chip.
You’re straight forward and I love it! Keep up the good work man
Well for me the ryzen 5 3600 is 30 dollars more than the 2600 and performance isn’t all that difference so I’m gonna go with a 2600
theres a pretty good difference in many games
@@christophermartinz9845 Not if you have a 1660 ti or lower. There is no noticeable difference because the ryzen 5 2600 and 3600 are already powerful cpus. You can only tell if they are paired with a 2080ti.
Almost got the 3600 fro my wife's build. Thank you for stopping me lol. Great deals on the 2600 locally I'll be going that route.
To see the real gains of ryzen 3000 over ryzen 2000 you need a fast gpu. There won't be much gains using an RX 580. You will start seeing a difference on Vega 56 , in 1080p but not 1440p
You will see a difference in the 5700 and 5700xt in 1080p and 1440p depending on how heavy the gpu is utilized. You will see a difference on a 2060 super and 2070 super.
If you don't plan on getting a high end gpu , it's best to wait a while longer.
absolutely agree. i upgraded from 2600 to 3600 with my 5700XT. i was surprised how huge difference it is. 30fps + in every game in FHD .
I upgraded from a fx 8320 to a 3600 and yes I noticed a massive increase respectively I was looking at the 2600 before these little beast's made their way to the shelves and thought might aswell go for it glad I did
I current use a i7 3770k pc which works great and a i7 6700 laptop for video editing 4k, I need a budget stop gap editing pc, so i settled on the Ryzen 5 3600 ,so is the upgrade worth it for me well after testing , the 3770k stock settings the Ryzen5 3600 out performed it buy +/- 50% and the 6700 by +/- 40% . for me it was worth it .
i have both the 3770k and 2600 lol
Gavin Abegglen
current , kinda old....why you say current, sold the good rig?
Cheap GPU, who cares?????? Any CPU!
@@lucasrem kind old does not mean that it does not work , both pc s work on a daily base editing video , many people in many countries around the world are not as forunate to be able to aford new pcs every year or 3. we use the equiment till they died. You very lucky to be able to have the advantage to do this .selling productive equipment is a wast
HOLY SHIT... this was the best Video concerning the comparison between the r5 3600 and 2600, you really got it on point and even better you proved my expectations and helped me choosing which one. This boy got a SUB and an LIKE from me. Keep it going, have a good one!
... so precised
"Fx... You was like a son to me.. You still my best friend.... But the time has come... Now i should replace you with Ryzen 5 3600. This is your future-future-future son. He is 2x faster and more powerful and power efficiently than you. You did the great gob. I will always remember all those games we get through together...
Press F - Fx-8320/50/70. You're iconic product of the future from the past."
P.s. selling Fx8320 used - 35$. Who wants some cores? 😂😭
I`ll upgrade to a Ryzen 5 2600. I can spend the remaining money i have to get other components and get an aftermarket cooler with that. a $130 6core 12 thread cpu now aint bad and pairing it with the gtx 1660. ill be happy with that build for like 5 - 6 years until i upgrade to a new platform say like AM5 with 6th gen to 8th Ryzen.
Well I sold my 2600 and bought a 3600 and only had to add 80
because youre smart. people act like they cant sell their current cpu and upgrade for cheap.
Did you notice a big increase in fps or smoothness at 1440p?
I like the use of implicit sips of beer to make transitions on the video. Thanks for the content!
oh, my keyboard so angry now, i can`t even type
Well done on using a sensible GPU with the 3600 with the rx 580, so many people use atleast 1660 or 2080s most people who are looking at 360p chips are gonna be opting for a 580 as they are likley on a budget
was thinking upgrading my cpu to 3000series but with 10fps difference might not be worth it for me wasting 200bucks
better off investing that money into a gpu
First guy i ever seen to advise to to dislike his video if you felt the need. I enjoyed it. Like.
if you use cards bellow gtx 1660 r5 3600 dont worth to buy over 2600
Hello,how r u Mr11ESSE111?
below 1660 or rx570
@@rawr3122 or under ,two words same thing
This is the MOST maybe not But THE MOST HONEST opinion I heard about upgrading. Thank you so much.
Upgrading from i5 760 to Ryzen 1 soon I hope. 😂
AM4 platform endgame is to get 4000 serie 12/16 when theyre cheap
Brought a 2600 for £109 instead of the 3600 for £155 and very happy. Had a play with overclocking (don't use use it, but was intrigued) and achieved 4.1 on a long term Prime95 test. Nice and quiet for a 65w CPU and much better performance than my previous i5-7500...especially in regards to Blender work.
another reason ... if you have enough money to upgrade your cpu each year... You don't even have a mid range CPU in your rig :D
so true ;P
The R5 2600 is $119 at newegg and amazon, and with a decent AM4 motherboard with best MOSFETs you can easily overclock it to 4.2GHz.
I use one currently with a RTX 2080, and the CPU does not bottleneck.
I am gonna upgrade from 1200 to 2600 cuz its a lot cheaper than 3600
I would say to get the 3600. I have a MSI B450M Pro MB that I had a 1200 on. I pulled the trigger on the 3600 and it's like Night and Day.....just a thought ✌
@@ericechols5806 2600 is 130€, 3600 is 190€, i can get more ram for the price difference
@@simorx580 - I get what you're saying. If you are on a tight budget, I would get the 2600. 60 bucks is 60 bucks.
@@ericechols5806 like i can get 1600x for 115€ but i will stick to 2600, main reason is that its newer so better ram support and power consumption
@@simorx580 - Yeah. That's what I was thinking when I said to get the 3600 instead of the 2600. They both have 65w TDP, better ram support, and being a newer skew it will be relevant longer. I don't think I'll have to replace mine for another 3 years. I plan on building a better system maybe next year just so I will have the "best gaming" but I this one will still be a daily. I just recycled my 1200 into a Plex Server to replace my older hardware......
Upgrading from an Intel i3-4170 I'll tell you how it goes lads
Edit: Ho. Lee. Shit. This CPU is fucking amazing. Cooled by a Noctua NH-U12S there's not a fucking sound. I'm in love. Buy this CPU, it's fucking great!
Compare a 2080ti to the 750ti on a Pentium 4 Windows 95 system I wanna see if the upgrade is worth it.
Um what
@@NotAnAlienlol We are comparing two CPU's against each other using a GPU that holds a constant 100% utilization load regardless of which one is in the socket .. I would at least like to know if the 750ti is any better than a 2080ti in real world conditions with a Pentium 4 CPU. If I was a betting man I would wager under these conditions regardless of which GPU is used they will both equally utilize the CPU at 100% just proving a 750ti is on par with a 2080ti.
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Totally agree!! that's why I'm waiting to get a 3900x soon as it hit the shelfs in Europe to upgrade. The 2600 will go to a small proxmox server.
Now... I can see Ryzen being better than sliced bread, but better than beer!?? Those people are nuts... 😂