I wish interviewers would interview Rick Ruben like Rick Rubin interviews his guests. With no ego, no competition, zero trying to impress zero pretending or pride. And he doesn’t insert or talk about himself, his book or his projects, while interviewing others.
I've got to say that at this point I have watched pretty much all the interviews about his book, and everytime I hear his voice I feel more connected to his way of being and creating art. It's a complete delight, an extasy to witness his life, his geniality, his nature, his soul. I feel completely at home hearing his words and ideas. Through his calmness and detachment he invites us to create or to be more creative, to open up ourselves to the creative flow of life. He invites us to dive deep in our core, our own light. That's a calling by someone that lives by his spirituality with such clarity and love... I could listen to him forever. These are the kind of thoughts and conversations I truly want to engage in. When there's love, understanding and openess, there's a place for everyone. ❤️🙏🏼💎✨
Finding him 26 years after giving up the life of being an artist.. Just recently, my interest for creating digital art was reignited and he’s such a breath of fresh air especially when you’re someone that has their creative side stifled by people around you even family to “do the safe and expected route”… I wish I knew him earlier but I believe that timing as he always says… I guess I had to realize these things at this age.. never too late
I hear you. In my world, REAL work had a very narrow definition. Even a labourer was more serious work than an artist or writer or singer. Creative endeavours were seen as a nice “pass time” but not to be taken seriously. As a result, I suffered. I’m an artist - author, actor, singer/songwriter and speaker - but it all came later in life, once I asked myself the question…Who would you be if you set yourself free of the role that you’ve played all your life? After I divorced and moved to another city…after my parents died, I discovered the answer to that question. I was 50 by then…but that’s how I know it’s never too late to be what you truly could have been…in some satisfying way, shape, or form. I don’t make a living at it, however, but I do make a life. I hope nobody has to die before you can feel free enough to answer that question for yourself. Rick has a superb voice for sharing this kind of stuff. That vibe is authentic…you can’t pretend to be Zen and wise if you’re not. Folks know, deep inside, when you hear truth.
They did you a favor. I’m one of those “artists types” and have multiple Art degrees. I ended up opening a drone repair shop. Many call themselves artists or have creative tendencies, but to survive as an artist you need the drive. If you didn’t love Art enough to ignore the naysayers, you didn’t have what it took to succeed. Just facts. You may now. I don’t know. Hopefully, this comment was received the way it was intended :)
I have no hate for the channel or the host whatsoever but watching this perfectly illustrates a perfectly different way of thinking. The host was theoretical in a sense but rick is just pure 1 million percent valium that makes perfect goddamn sense. The contrast between the two whilst also agreeing with each other is mind blowing.
I think it's because he's a writer so he is constantly trying to theorize and quantize all these esoteric concepts. Rick Rubin on the other hand is a guru, intuitive musical genius and bs artist (I mean this in the most complementary way).
Sometimes a brilliant young man is confounded by a simple but wise older man. This causes the older wise man to explain himself in a new way even to him. Respect is enriched by understanding and understanding requires both of the above.
Timestamps: 00:00: Experimenting with different methods to learn something new about the creative process. 01:14: Allowing creativity to ensue rather than consciously trying to force it. 01:54: Acknowledging that we're not in full control of the creative process and being patient for inspiration to come. 03:06: Metaphor of tuning into a radio station to describe accessing creative inspiration. 04:18: Transient nature of tapping into the creative process and the need to continuously find inspiration. 04:50: The process of playing a song repeatedly until it becomes special. 06:07: The importance of capturing creative energy and finishing a song in the moment. 06:47: Difficulty in recreating a specific creative groove or energy later on. 08:14: Appreciating earlier takes before refinements and prioritizing overall energetic feeling. 09:22: The power of capturing the overall energetic feeling over individual elements. 09:59: Becoming self-conscious about creating and dealing with the pressure of success. 11:07: The ego hits of feeling invincible and feeling inadequate as an artist. 12:20: Remembering what led to success and avoiding external distractions. 13:02: The importance of separating writing from publishing and avoiding self-censorship. 14:11: Considering marketing, audience, and cover design after completing the creative process. 14:42: Doing the first draft with passion and love, without worrying about others' opinions. 15:13: Self-censorship hinders creativity and authenticity. 15:52: Balancing thinking and doing in creative pursuits. 19:03: Adapting methodologies over time, with a focus on what's important. 21:03: Maintaining focus, efficiency, and balance in the studio. 23:32: Understanding the need for breaks and downtime to maintain quality. 24:01: Eisenhower quote: "Plans are worthless but planning is everything." 24:35: Having a schedule and sticking to it. 25:10: Committing to a daily practice, regardless of outcomes. 26:13: Stephen Pressfield's quote: "Put your ass where your heart wants to be." 28:04: The ability of art to capture timeless feelings and spirits. 29:40: Example of a pianist, Víkingur Ólafsson, who brings a modern perspective to classical music. 31:08: The power of Johnny Cash's ability to inhabit a song and tell a story. 33:48: The personal becoming universal in art. 35:49: The story of Lao Tzu and the Dao De Jing, illustrating the power of a deeply personal creation becoming universally significant. 39:34: The creative process has three phases: watering the seeds, craft, and editing. 40:07: The crafting phase involves a more hands-on approach. 40:44: The editing phase can be done on a schedule, unlike the earlier phases. 42:32: The craft phase is like putting together a jigsaw puzzle with a clear vision. 43:45: It's not about the producer; it's about the project. 44:23: Collaboration and teamwork are important for the project's success. 46:28: Allowing artists to take the lead and supporting their vision. 47:54: Allowing creativity to unfold and not shutting down ideas. 49:01: Collaborating to make the project the best it can be. 50:16: Avoiding self-sabotage and staying open to possibilities. 51:04: Recognizing the uniqueness of individual perspectives and experiences. 52:31: Each artist has their own way of expressing themselves. 53:49: The creative act lies in how humans use AI tools. 55:14: The artist's intention is inseparable from the art. 55:51: Interpretations of art can vary greatly from the artist's intention. 57:14: The meaning of art is open to interpretation by both the artist and the listener. 57:58: Bought different magnetic poetry kits, removed connecting words and kept substantial words Used a music stand to display the words like a blackboard 58:39: Tom had songs but no lyrics, made up songs in real time using words from magnets Beautiful songs that wouldn't have happened any other way 59:15: Love Bon Iver, sometimes lyrics don't make sense, it's about the sound 59:45: Worked with artists to collect phrases that fit in certain moments in the song The right sound at the right time makes a big difference 1:00:22: Asked Neil Young if he knows what his songs mean, he has no idea Enlightenment is figuring out that it's both gibberish and not gibberish at the same time Certain phrases in songs unfold differently with each repetition, others become repetitive 1:02:13: Likes songs that can be played on a loop, allows access to creativity Can't listen to music with lyrics while reading, can listen to lyrics in a different language 1:03:29: Some songs feel timeless, like "Free Falling" and "Blowing in the Wind" 1:04:07: Stooges and Beatles were contemporaries, Stooges feel more modern due to popularity 1:06:09: Starting a new podcast called "Tetragrammatin" to interview interesting people beyond musicians 1:08:01: Great performers find inspiration in different domains, not just their own field 1:09:15: Artists draw from ancient stories and reinterpret them in a new way 1:12:08: George Clinton's inspiration for the Mothership came from Pink Floyd's stage shows 1:13:17: Podcast allows fans to learn about the inspirations and creative process of artists 1:14:22: Taylor Swift re-recording her masters, artist's perspective on reinterpreting old works 1:15:02: Talks about a radio station in New York called WCBS that played oldies music from the 50s, 60s, and 70s. 1:15:49: Expresses disappointment with the new versions of old songs available on iTunes that are not the original versions. 1:16:33: Mentions Led Zeppelin's album "No Quarter" where they reinterpreted their songs in Middle Eastern or African versions. 1:17:12: Asks a personal question about the length and complexity of his own books, wondering if it's a positive sign of growth or self-indulgence. 1:18:26: Advised not to worry and to focus on which version of his writing he prefers, as self-indulgence can be a good thing in art. 1:19:27: Reflects on his pride in his later books and how they reflect his growth and evolving perspective. 1:20:04: Discusses the importance of confidence in one's work and the freedom to let it flow, regardless of conciseness or self-indulgence. 1:21:22: Talks about the potential negative aspects of success and control, such as becoming pompous or long-winded. 1:22:34: Challenges the idea of time limits on creative expression and suggests that people have the freedom to leave or stay engaged based on their interest. 1:23:13: Expresses gratitude to the person he's talking to and praises the value and usefulness of his book, contrasting it with a more celebrity-focused version. 1:24:22: Questions why people are more drawn to celebrity stories rather than a book that offers more value and usefulness. 1:25:04: Explains that his book is not about him or his experiences but rather about universal ideas and observations he finds interesting. 1:25:41: Describes engaging with ideas that are not his own and invites readers to put themselves into the concepts presented in the book. 1:27:13: Discusses the difference between stories about famous individuals (e.g., Jay-Z) and the open-ended ideas presented in the book. 1:29:00: Compares the book to other writing books that he returns to, highlighting its depth and value. 1:30:05: Reflects on choosing to write the book he wanted to write, even though it may not be as commercially appealing. 1:30:41: Describes the process of reverse engineering and the challenge of understanding the information in the book. 1:31:19: Admits the difficulty of talking about the material in the book and how it remains elusive and ephemeral.
Watching his conversation really highlights how insanely loud and obnoxious the commercials are on RUclips. Snake oil salesmen. It’s such a jarring dichotomy when they come on. Also, this is wonderful. Love to sit in the room with these two.
I really hate that RUclips does this too - they're often the most vile people yelling about a pyramid scheme or some other such trash. I can't go to sleep to RUclips like the good old days...
I have Rick's book on my desk stacked on top of Ryan's The Daily Dad.I am at home sick, making chicken noodle soup, and this came at the most perfect time.
I love that the host takes pauses to think and how they both layer comparisons and analogies as if they were figuring things out as they talk. Both parties are curious throughout the conversation
Man I don't know how many times I was jamming with a group of friends, and something magical happened. Was it recorded? No, it was just for us. Did we wish it was recorded so we could share it with the world?! Fuck yeah. One time I was playing this new rift I came up with using a loop pedal. My wife was watching me make it. All of a sudden I started singing this song for my wife, about us, how amazing she is, how amazing our relationship is, and how lucky I am to have found this love. By the end of it we were both crying. My wife asks if I had recorded it. I had the app open, and stopped recording another session just before this tune, but forgot to start recording a new session. That one was just for us right then at that moment.
50:40 - Long pause - "I finished talking, I stop when I finish" - I loved this. Throughout the interview Rick stops when he's talking and it does add gravitas to what has just been said. And it's great that Ryan lets him speak without interruption, however, it's disconcerting because we're not used to people being allowed to speak in full sentences. Loved the chat, gonna go listen to the book now
Absolutely right about it being a book you read more than once, I’ve listened to it on audible at least 5 times at this point and it always gives me motivation to go create, it actually caused me to start painting and launch an entire new purpose for me. Forever grateful for it and for Rick.
Ever since I started my sobriety journey it’s been difficult to tap into my creativity. I feel blocked but I know that I am a creative deep in my heart and I don’t need to alter my brain to tap into that. I resonated with what you said about trying a new method when creating and I’m all for it! I won’t give up. Thank you for this video.
watch your doubts, youll have to chemically adjust to normal brain chemistry over some time which may feel like moving backwards, but in the end substances eventually just become thieves of creative connection good luck
@@unmanifest6307it’s definitely been an adjustment my brain feels a bit wonky lol but I’m working hard to clear the fog and taking supplements as well! Thank you for your support 💓
I gave up weed 3 weeks ago, and it's been hard , but its possible to not rely on. I created better habits like planning to make music every morning, but i had to build momentum. I start off with a 20 minute walk in the morning (literally just set a timer), make bed, wash dishes/ clothes etc. Then hop on my computer and get to work! Also, if you're having trouble sleeping, drink camomille tea, read a book, my eyes eventually want to just give up. Excercising like till you are having a decent sweat, that will bring your body to feel relief and want sleep. Listen to the body!
I’m completely in love with this book. I’m an establish painter and I can feel now that there will be a before and after in my painting process after reading this book.
Creativity and Frequency sound perfectly connected and as the frequency gets slightly out of pattern , it eventually cancels out, and with time comes back in sync! Love it!😊
I love your laid back attitude. My motto is "I'm in it for the music not the money." It really keeps me free to create. Book publishers are boring and restrictive. Phil Algo
The creative process works exactly like that to me. I always need to be patient at the waiting moments of the process that we always misunderstand with procrastination. It is not! It is just the time to tune in again to the wave of creativity. The firstt draft is always much better than the "corrected" one. I just learned that and started keeping an original copy to be compared to the corrected/edited one. It saves the quality of my work (that is also not mine alone!). I never edit or correct anymore while I am the creativity vessel. Always when everything is completed. Thanks for sharing.
I bought the book but never opened it. I downloaded it on audible and never listened. Now, my vibration is higher so I can’t get enough of his words! 🎉
One theory regarding the "wine-dark sea" is that the ancient Greeks didn't have blue in their concept of colors. After all, the color of the ocean in its deepest, darkest parts is more akin to that of red wine than it is to the blue of the sky. The way we categorize things and the words we use for various concepts will alter the way we see the world. I think you hit upon that concept right at the very end with the mention of subjective experience changing what we get out of even shared experience.
Dear Ryan & Rick, You seem to have a phenomenal chemistry molded in this beautifully intricate friendship you two share. It occurs to me that the two of you are coming from sometimes what seems like 2 opposite points yet pointed at the same direction. Whatta supreme contrasts in parallel! Thank you for sharing this intimate conversation with us all. Much love to you two ❤
BRILLIANT STUFF... WE ARE SURROUNDED BY MAGICAL ENERGY AND WE SOMETIMES ARE NOT AWARE OF IT ... IT'S BEAUTIFUL TO BE OURSELVES AND NOT KNOWING ANYTHING ... BEING EFFORTLESSLY CONNECTED IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT ... PLENTY OF LOVE AND CREATIVE VIBES ❤️❤️❤️❤️
No way! I was hoping you two would get together. The thought popped into my head as I was reading Rick's book today. Incredible, I'm looking forward to watching this once I finish reading.
I just have to say since I was a kid I always respected and really looked up to Rick Rubin even though I don’t know him he seems like a really awesome person. I respect him. I have to say that I know he’s a celebrity, but I do respect the man.
So glad I finally set aside time to listen to this conversation. So many gems I'll remember, and maybe have to listen to again to really let it sink in. I especially love "the first draft is for you" and "write what is interesting to you." I had this little phrase in my head that came to me a couple of years back, thinking on these similar lines: "the best art is one that invites you to participate." I've been learning the keyboards and guitar because this band that I really love (Vulfpeck) made it look so fun. And you know what? Turns out it really, really is fun to learn to play music. I think that's what Rick Rubin is saying he hopes his book does for people, for them to be inspired and put down the book and create.
I absolutely love Rick Rubin and everything about him! The way he articulates, what he articulates, and how easily he can turn someone's unclear message into something more accessible. But my goodness the interviewer was killing me. He was getting handed gold for ways to respond and all he did was take away from the interview.. 😢
Writing the end to my first novel and started looking at you tube channels about the process and what to expect … wishing I had not, no one should, or can write according to them, your offer will be next to nothing and be prepared to have your agent and your editor will tear it to shreds… I don’t listen to the negative, if I did I wouldn’t be writing the end, but wanted to say this, thank you, the conversation was a great to listen too. So positive and supportive of the creative process. ❤
I love hearing Rick talk and I'm sorry but I have yet to hear an interviewer who knows how to properly converse with him. It just feels like Rick is miles and miles beyond this guy and many others
I always knew I have great creativity inside and recently its been manifesting. Im soo glad i listened to this. I felt this and had a glimpse of the wisdom of focusing on creativity when creating and not worrying about producing and publishing before this video but it has opened my eyes to the process of creation way more than before. The process is just important as the result. Only then will we prosper in our success❤❤
Great video. Two worlds collide! I'm an artist/violinist/songwriter, and a person who has recently rediscovered his love for philosophy and the values of stoicism. Thank you both for getting together and having a real, authentic conversation.
The answer Rick to the second last question about “not being that guy” was golden. Thank you. 🙏 How incredible it would be to meet him. Looking forward to the new podcast. ❤
The way a song grows from a seed of a rif or idea a sphrase into a whole thing is something i would never have believed if it haddn't happened to me loads of times i notice a thing is good then it just kind of grows as i play it over and over the more you get of it in the initial sitting the better, but it takes months to fill in all the bits .
Excelente talk. For future reference, your sound level was a good chunk lower than Rick's, not that impeded listening, it was a question of going up and down with the volumen button, but just wanted to let you know. Muchas Gracias.
Very insightful conversation, I really enjoy how Rubin pauses between his thoughts. Lots of wisdom and immense respect for his words. As highlighted I think it’s really important to use your art as a creative channel between the physical and transcendental. Bringing your unique perspective to the mix. Ideas communicated, let go of and then refined months or even years later.
Great interview. One thing...the sound on your end was really hard to listen to when driving. It was hard to balance the sound to listen to you both comfortably. Great content. Looking forward to listening to more.
I stumbled on this video/channel. I love and understand the dialogue. It’s seldom I have the opportunity to hear words like this. It warms my soul. I feel I’m home. Thank you.
Mr. Rick hit it on the nail when he said that some songs have a magic to them that are removed when people remake or remaster a song😢. Those special moments are what I wait in excitement for🤯 but when it’s removed, i have to go on a hunt for that specific version in hopes that I will find it🥴
This was a terrific listen and has me very excited to read three books mentioned within as soon as possible. Meditations, Lao Tzu and The Creative Act. 🙏
Watching "Funky Monks" years ago, about RHCP in the studio, during the track "Give it Away", RR guiding Flea saying "Not so notey." and then vocalising the bassline he envisaged or felt was going to make that song next level... was a big call. And it was a big call that was perfect.
Much of what RIck Rubin talks about recording music in the studio can be applied to working out in the gym. I have a barebones baseline template of workouts per week, exercises, reps, and sets that I must do. Should I feel compelled to do more (maybe I just feel super strong and energetic one day), I have the option to add more exercises and volume. If I try to force myself to do a baseline that's too exhausting and strenuous, I may experience burnout, overtrain, or start feeling resentful. I like to give myself some wiggle room to experiment and have some fun while ensuring I maintain a certain level of athleticism.
Hey Ryan i REALLY enjoyed this INTERVIEW. I must say, i would love to always have you and rick (in this case) in the same screen, so i can see how you are listening and reacting to each others, it feels kinda confusing to have the screen change everytime someone talks. i love the feeling of sharing a table with both of you and just listen to both of you at the same time, something about not having you both in the same screen feels, off, sometimes unreal. I hope you take this as a lil advice. MUCH LOVE AND THANKS FOR YOUR CONTENT!
I'm an unknown absolute nobody living in the middle of nowhere [Glasgow] Writing/Playing / Recording in my little home studio set up and it facinates me how i know i have reached a decent quality but i don't know if anyone will like my music at all, its interesting how when your Rick Ruben you get lauded as a genius yet you come from absolute obscurity, your value is endelably related to your fame. who knows what the future will bring.
50:36 When Ryan thought Rick lost connection but really he's literally patient as water and was not at all a connection glitch and was just a beautiful moment of silence/reflection. 🤣🥰 (Laughing with You Ryan,lol)
This one moment blew me away. Communication/conversation doesn't have to be rapid feedback ping pong. Our social tendency is to fill silence, more than a couple of seconds feels so incredibly awkward, but those same few seconds are barely enough for our brains to process anything. There is a balance somewhere and I struggle to find it, I wish I was sharp enough to choose the exact words to properly string a thought together as I'm thinking it. Verbally writing a 40 page fluffy essay on the spot doesn't help me sound intelligent, empathetic, or thoughtful while I'm allocating resources to body language and facial espression and observing those I'm speaking with. Gut reactions and auto-pilot aren't always the best attributes of humans!
If I’m having a creative burst I set everything else aside and tap into my creativity & design with paper & pen/pencil. When I lose my creativity I begin the crafting of my piece.
Listen, Feel, Observe: who is in (very busy) mind and who is Zen? Sense the vibration in contrast thoughout this interview. Great exercise and reference for all experiencing.
If I might make a technical criticism.... Ricks audio is ok. Yours is so low that I've got my audio so pushed that when ads come on it is punishing. So, I don't think I'm gonna make it through this one, which is too bad.... What an epic bedroom he's in.
Amazing interview. Love reading your books, Ryan. Looking forward to going further into Rick Rudin’s book as well. The audio was a little quiet on this recording. When the RUclips ads come on I nearly blow my speakers. Hope it’s helpful. Thank you for everything!
dont dwell to much on the things taht you can to control , this is the best thing I learned from my work and btw I work in the customer service for a Telco company and this is the thing taht my supervisors always says . I'm also An Aryist and I do write and produce songs m this kind iof thinking really upgrades the way I live compared when before.
That frequency thing he is talking about is quite literally a room, made of light where you can see the thoughts you are having as visual elements, whether it be sound or Word. I've been there, and it feels like another world within the one you live in. Might sound weird, but the hum from my air purifier let's me hop from one freq to another and sometimes I end up there. I was once laying in bed trying to tune in and I quite literally got zapped. It felt like real electricity, coolest fucking thing ever.
I wish interviewers would interview Rick Ruben like Rick Rubin interviews his guests. With no ego, no competition, zero trying to impress zero pretending or pride. And he doesn’t insert or talk about himself, his book or his projects, while interviewing others.
We’ll just look at the backdrops of both of them :P
You could tell the interview style right out of the gate 🤣
bro kept throwing in quotes every time he stopped talking
DS: "are you still here?" RR: "yes, I'm here, I just stop when I'm done talking"
I've got to say that at this point I have watched pretty much all the interviews about his book, and everytime I hear his voice I feel more connected to his way of being and creating art. It's a complete delight, an extasy to witness his life, his geniality, his nature, his soul. I feel completely at home hearing his words and ideas. Through his calmness and detachment he invites us to create or to be more creative, to open up ourselves to the creative flow of life. He invites us to dive deep in our core, our own light. That's a calling by someone that lives by his spirituality with such clarity and love... I could listen to him forever. These are the kind of thoughts and conversations I truly want to engage in. When there's love, understanding and openess, there's a place for everyone. ❤️🙏🏼💎✨
That’s what I thought of Mathew McConaughey when I heard him on Lex Fridman earlier tonight. But totally feel you mate. 🙏🏼
Totally agree!!
I love his voice and that’s why I got the audiobook as he is the narrator.
@@johnnyoravec Ya, I believe that the audiobook might be even better. There's more information in his voice and in his intonation. ❤️
I’ve be listened to it 3 times already. I’ll listen again before Years end. ❤ it.
Finding him 26 years after giving up the life of being an artist.. Just recently, my interest for creating digital art was reignited and he’s such a breath of fresh air especially when you’re someone that has their creative side stifled by people around you even family to “do the safe and expected route”… I wish I knew him earlier but I believe that timing as he always says… I guess I had to realize these things at this age.. never too late
I hear you. In my world, REAL work had a very narrow definition. Even a labourer was more serious work than an artist or writer or singer. Creative endeavours were seen as a nice “pass time” but not to be taken seriously. As a result, I suffered. I’m an artist - author, actor, singer/songwriter and speaker - but it all came later in life, once I asked myself the question…Who would you be if you set yourself free of the role that you’ve played all your life? After I divorced and moved to another city…after my parents died, I discovered the answer to that question. I was 50 by then…but that’s how I know it’s never too late to be what you truly could have been…in some satisfying way, shape, or form. I don’t make a living at it, however, but I do make a life.
I hope nobody has to die before you can feel free enough to answer that question for yourself.
Rick has a superb voice for sharing this kind of stuff. That vibe is authentic…you can’t pretend to be Zen and wise if you’re not. Folks know, deep inside, when you hear truth.
They did you a favor. I’m one of those “artists types” and have multiple Art degrees. I ended up opening a drone repair shop.
Many call themselves artists or have creative tendencies, but to survive as an artist you need the drive.
If you didn’t love Art enough to ignore the naysayers, you didn’t have what it took to succeed. Just facts.
You may now. I don’t know.
Hopefully, this comment was received the way it was intended :)
Some of these Rick Rubin interviews are stronger than others. He’s just so effortless. The less the interviewer can speak the better it goes 😂❤
True 😂
This guy can’t allow a moment of silence
@@brianmurarik994 I guess that's why he's studying stoicism
@@brianmurarik994 I don’t know why you would think that
I am jumping when the interviewer is talking about HIS books and HIS stuff :S, sorry!
I have no hate for the channel or the host whatsoever but watching this perfectly illustrates a perfectly different way of thinking. The host was theoretical in a sense but rick is just pure 1 million percent valium that makes perfect goddamn sense. The contrast between the two whilst also agreeing with each other is mind blowing.
I think it's because he's a writer so he is constantly trying to theorize and quantize all these esoteric concepts. Rick Rubin on the other hand is a guru, intuitive musical genius and bs artist (I mean this in the most complementary way).
i feel like this was left hemisphere interviewing the right hemisphere
48:55 I love how Rick's first words after this example were "Yes and."
Rick Rubin strikes a chord within all of us, whether we hear it or not.
Because it’s not Rick Rubin. It’s Rick Rubin being open to the spirit in all of us :)
Sometimes a brilliant young man is confounded by a simple but wise older man.
This causes the older wise man to explain himself in a new way even to him.
Respect is enriched by understanding and understanding requires both of the above.
Timestamps:
00:00: Experimenting with different methods to learn something new about the creative process.
01:14: Allowing creativity to ensue rather than consciously trying to force it.
01:54: Acknowledging that we're not in full control of the creative process and being patient for inspiration to come.
03:06: Metaphor of tuning into a radio station to describe accessing creative inspiration.
04:18: Transient nature of tapping into the creative process and the need to continuously find inspiration.
04:50: The process of playing a song repeatedly until it becomes special.
06:07: The importance of capturing creative energy and finishing a song in the moment.
06:47: Difficulty in recreating a specific creative groove or energy later on.
08:14: Appreciating earlier takes before refinements and prioritizing overall energetic feeling.
09:22: The power of capturing the overall energetic feeling over individual elements.
09:59: Becoming self-conscious about creating and dealing with the pressure of success.
11:07: The ego hits of feeling invincible and feeling inadequate as an artist.
12:20: Remembering what led to success and avoiding external distractions.
13:02: The importance of separating writing from publishing and avoiding self-censorship.
14:11: Considering marketing, audience, and cover design after completing the creative process.
14:42: Doing the first draft with passion and love, without worrying about others' opinions.
15:13: Self-censorship hinders creativity and authenticity.
15:52: Balancing thinking and doing in creative pursuits.
19:03: Adapting methodologies over time, with a focus on what's important.
21:03: Maintaining focus, efficiency, and balance in the studio.
23:32: Understanding the need for breaks and downtime to maintain quality.
24:01: Eisenhower quote: "Plans are worthless but planning is everything."
24:35: Having a schedule and sticking to it.
25:10: Committing to a daily practice, regardless of outcomes.
26:13: Stephen Pressfield's quote: "Put your ass where your heart wants to be."
28:04: The ability of art to capture timeless feelings and spirits.
29:40: Example of a pianist, Víkingur Ólafsson, who brings a modern perspective to classical music.
31:08: The power of Johnny Cash's ability to inhabit a song and tell a story.
33:48: The personal becoming universal in art.
35:49: The story of Lao Tzu and the Dao De Jing, illustrating the power of a deeply personal creation becoming universally significant.
39:34: The creative process has three phases: watering the seeds, craft, and editing.
40:07: The crafting phase involves a more hands-on approach.
40:44: The editing phase can be done on a schedule, unlike the earlier phases.
42:32: The craft phase is like putting together a jigsaw puzzle with a clear vision.
43:45: It's not about the producer; it's about the project.
44:23: Collaboration and teamwork are important for the project's success.
46:28: Allowing artists to take the lead and supporting their vision.
47:54: Allowing creativity to unfold and not shutting down ideas.
49:01: Collaborating to make the project the best it can be.
50:16: Avoiding self-sabotage and staying open to possibilities.
51:04: Recognizing the uniqueness of individual perspectives and experiences.
52:31: Each artist has their own way of expressing themselves.
53:49: The creative act lies in how humans use AI tools.
55:14: The artist's intention is inseparable from the art.
55:51: Interpretations of art can vary greatly from the artist's intention.
57:14: The meaning of art is open to interpretation by both the artist and the listener.
57:58: Bought different magnetic poetry kits, removed connecting words and kept substantial words
Used a music stand to display the words like a blackboard
58:39: Tom had songs but no lyrics, made up songs in real time using words from magnets
Beautiful songs that wouldn't have happened any other way
59:15: Love Bon Iver, sometimes lyrics don't make sense, it's about the sound
59:45: Worked with artists to collect phrases that fit in certain moments in the song
The right sound at the right time makes a big difference
1:00:22: Asked Neil Young if he knows what his songs mean, he has no idea
Enlightenment is figuring out that it's both gibberish and not gibberish at the same time
Certain phrases in songs unfold differently with each repetition, others become repetitive
1:02:13: Likes songs that can be played on a loop, allows access to creativity
Can't listen to music with lyrics while reading, can listen to lyrics in a different language
1:03:29: Some songs feel timeless, like "Free Falling" and "Blowing in the Wind"
1:04:07: Stooges and Beatles were contemporaries, Stooges feel more modern due to popularity
1:06:09: Starting a new podcast called "Tetragrammatin" to interview interesting people beyond musicians
1:08:01: Great performers find inspiration in different domains, not just their own field
1:09:15: Artists draw from ancient stories and reinterpret them in a new way
1:12:08: George Clinton's inspiration for the Mothership came from Pink Floyd's stage shows
1:13:17: Podcast allows fans to learn about the inspirations and creative process of artists
1:14:22: Taylor Swift re-recording her masters, artist's perspective on reinterpreting old works
1:15:02: Talks about a radio station in New York called WCBS that played oldies music from the 50s, 60s, and 70s.
1:15:49: Expresses disappointment with the new versions of old songs available on iTunes that are not the original versions.
1:16:33: Mentions Led Zeppelin's album "No Quarter" where they reinterpreted their songs in Middle Eastern or African versions.
1:17:12: Asks a personal question about the length and complexity of his own books, wondering if it's a positive sign of growth or self-indulgence.
1:18:26: Advised not to worry and to focus on which version of his writing he prefers, as self-indulgence can be a good thing in art.
1:19:27: Reflects on his pride in his later books and how they reflect his growth and evolving perspective.
1:20:04: Discusses the importance of confidence in one's work and the freedom to let it flow, regardless of conciseness or self-indulgence.
1:21:22: Talks about the potential negative aspects of success and control, such as becoming pompous or long-winded.
1:22:34: Challenges the idea of time limits on creative expression and suggests that people have the freedom to leave or stay engaged based on their interest.
1:23:13: Expresses gratitude to the person he's talking to and praises the value and usefulness of his book, contrasting it with a more celebrity-focused version.
1:24:22: Questions why people are more drawn to celebrity stories rather than a book that offers more value and usefulness.
1:25:04: Explains that his book is not about him or his experiences but rather about universal ideas and observations he finds interesting.
1:25:41: Describes engaging with ideas that are not his own and invites readers to put themselves into the concepts presented in the book.
1:27:13: Discusses the difference between stories about famous individuals (e.g., Jay-Z) and the open-ended ideas presented in the book.
1:29:00: Compares the book to other writing books that he returns to, highlighting its depth and value.
1:30:05: Reflects on choosing to write the book he wanted to write, even though it may not be as commercially appealing.
1:30:41: Describes the process of reverse engineering and the challenge of understanding the information in the book.
1:31:19: Admits the difficulty of talking about the material in the book and how it remains elusive and ephemeral.
clutch
You're awesome for doing this. They have to put this in the notes to break up the time line.
Real one
Mvp
nice cape
Watching his conversation really highlights how insanely loud and obnoxious the commercials are on RUclips. Snake oil salesmen. It’s such a jarring dichotomy when they come on. Also, this is wonderful. Love to sit in the room with these two.
The absolute worst man
I really hate that RUclips does this too - they're often the most vile people yelling about a pyramid scheme or some other such trash.
I can't go to sleep to RUclips like the good old days...
"If we know that we don't know, we have great power. We're not trying to solve the problem, we're watching the knot untie." -Rick
Rick Rubin is like the yoga of music
Savage
I have Rick's book on my desk stacked on top of Ryan's The Daily Dad.I am at home sick, making chicken noodle soup, and this came at the most perfect time.
I love that the host takes pauses to think and how they both layer comparisons and analogies as if they were figuring things out as they talk. Both parties are curious throughout the conversation
I love how natural and sometimes awkward this interview is. It very open and uncontrived. Lots of gold nuggets here.
Man I don't know how many times I was jamming with a group of friends, and something magical happened. Was it recorded? No, it was just for us. Did we wish it was recorded so we could share it with the world?! Fuck yeah.
One time I was playing this new rift I came up with using a loop pedal. My wife was watching me make it. All of a sudden I started singing this song for my wife, about us, how amazing she is, how amazing our relationship is, and how lucky I am to have found this love.
By the end of it we were both crying. My wife asks if I had recorded it. I had the app open, and stopped recording another session just before this tune, but forgot to start recording a new session. That one was just for us right then at that moment.
50:40 - Long pause - "I finished talking, I stop when I finish" - I loved this. Throughout the interview Rick stops when he's talking and it does add gravitas to what has just been said. And it's great that Ryan lets him speak without interruption, however, it's disconcerting because we're not used to people being allowed to speak in full sentences. Loved the chat, gonna go listen to the book now
Absolutely right about it being a book you read more than once, I’ve listened to it on audible at least 5 times at this point and it always gives me motivation to go create, it actually caused me to start painting and launch an entire new purpose for me. Forever grateful for it and for Rick.
you are welcome ashley
Still loving the book a few months later? Thinking about picking up a copy - but can't decide if I want the print version or Audible.
Please add chapters to the video. Love your content Ryan. I am big admirer of your books. Your books have made a huge difference to my life.
Ever since I started my sobriety journey it’s been difficult to tap into my creativity. I feel blocked but I know that I am a creative deep in my heart and I don’t need to alter my brain to tap into that. I resonated with what you said about trying a new method when creating and I’m all for it! I won’t give up. Thank you for this video.
watch your doubts, youll have to chemically adjust to normal brain chemistry over some time which may feel like moving backwards, but in the end substances eventually just become thieves of creative connection
good luck
@@unmanifest6307it’s definitely been an adjustment my brain feels a bit wonky lol but I’m working hard to clear the fog and taking supplements as well! Thank you for your support 💓
@@unmanifest6307 so true
Its fun to get high and express yourself but remember the bigger picture, you're worth the effort!
I gave up weed 3 weeks ago, and it's been hard , but its possible to not rely on. I created better habits like planning to make music every morning, but i had to build momentum.
I start off with a 20 minute walk in the morning (literally just set a timer), make bed, wash dishes/ clothes etc. Then hop on my computer and get to work!
Also, if you're having trouble sleeping, drink camomille tea, read a book, my eyes eventually want to just give up. Excercising like till you are having a decent sweat, that will bring your body to feel relief and want sleep. Listen to the body!
I’m completely in love with this book. I’m an establish painter and I can feel now that there will be a before and after in my painting process after reading this book.
Creativity and Frequency sound perfectly connected and as the frequency gets slightly out of pattern , it eventually cancels out, and with time comes back in sync! Love it!😊
I love your laid back attitude. My motto is "I'm in it for the music not the money." It really keeps me free to create. Book publishers are boring and restrictive. Phil Algo
The creative process works exactly like that to me. I always need to be patient at the waiting moments of the process that we always misunderstand with procrastination. It is not! It is just the time to tune in again to the wave of creativity. The firstt draft is always much better than the "corrected" one. I just learned that and started keeping an original copy to be compared to the corrected/edited one. It saves the quality of my work (that is also not mine alone!). I never edit or correct anymore while I am the creativity vessel. Always when everything is completed. Thanks for sharing.
I bought the book but never opened it. I downloaded it on audible and never listened. Now, my vibration is higher so I can’t get enough of his words! 🎉
One theory regarding the "wine-dark sea" is that the ancient Greeks didn't have blue in their concept of colors. After all, the color of the ocean in its deepest, darkest parts is more akin to that of red wine than it is to the blue of the sky. The way we categorize things and the words we use for various concepts will alter the way we see the world. I think you hit upon that concept right at the very end with the mention of subjective experience changing what we get out of even shared experience.
Dear Ryan & Rick,
You seem to have a phenomenal chemistry molded in this beautifully intricate friendship you two share.
It occurs to me that the two of you are coming from sometimes what seems like 2 opposite points yet pointed at the same direction.
Whatta supreme contrasts in parallel!
Thank you for sharing this intimate conversation with us all.
Much love to you two ❤
BRILLIANT STUFF...
WE ARE SURROUNDED BY MAGICAL ENERGY AND WE SOMETIMES ARE NOT AWARE OF IT ...
IT'S BEAUTIFUL TO BE OURSELVES AND NOT KNOWING ANYTHING ...
BEING EFFORTLESSLY CONNECTED IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT ... PLENTY OF LOVE AND CREATIVE VIBES
❤️❤️❤️❤️
Thank you two for what you guys are doing with your time and wisdom! I greatly appreciate you both.
yea some of the stoicism is redundant but its so efficient i dont car elol
I love that Rick has a pen in hand so he can write down any potential epiphanies...
No way! I was hoping you two would get together. The thought popped into my head as I was reading Rick's book today. Incredible, I'm looking forward to watching this once I finish reading.
I just have to say since I was a kid I always respected and really looked up to Rick Rubin even though I don’t know him he seems like a really awesome person. I respect him. I have to say that I know he’s a celebrity, but I do respect the man.
I’ve listened to every interview I could find with Rick Rubin & this is easily the best one. Thank you, Ryan!
So glad I finally set aside time to listen to this conversation. So many gems I'll remember, and maybe have to listen to again to really let it sink in. I especially love "the first draft is for you" and "write what is interesting to you." I had this little phrase in my head that came to me a couple of years back, thinking on these similar lines: "the best art is one that invites you to participate." I've been learning the keyboards and guitar because this band that I really love (Vulfpeck) made it look so fun. And you know what? Turns out it really, really is fun to learn to play music. I think that's what Rick Rubin is saying he hopes his book does for people, for them to be inspired and put down the book and create.
The audio is so quiet in this video and the irony is not lost on me
I absolutely love Rick Rubin and everything about him! The way he articulates, what he articulates, and how easily he can turn someone's unclear message into something more accessible. But my goodness the interviewer was killing me. He was getting handed gold for ways to respond and all he did was take away from the interview.. 😢
Writing the end to my first novel and started looking at you tube channels about the process and what to expect … wishing I had not, no one should, or can write according to them, your offer will be next to nothing and be prepared to have your agent and your editor will tear it to shreds… I don’t listen to the negative, if I did I wouldn’t be writing the end, but wanted to say this, thank you, the conversation was a great to listen too. So positive and supportive of the creative process. ❤
I love hearing Rick talk and I'm sorry but I have yet to hear an interviewer who knows how to properly converse with him. It just feels like Rick is miles and miles beyond this guy and many others
gem of an interview
one of my personal goals is to work with Rick Rubin. Its a vision i've held onto for years and I refuse to let go of it.
Just have a fat lazy family member lay on the couch in the room, and have them give their take on what a song needs.
This is a great analysis on this topic. We will continue supporting this channel no matter what.
No matter what?!?!
Damn
@@josh021588 lol
I always knew I have great creativity inside and recently its been manifesting. Im soo glad i listened to this. I felt this and had a glimpse of the wisdom of focusing on creativity when creating and not worrying about producing and publishing before this video but it has opened my eyes to the process of creation way more than before. The process is just important as the result. Only then will we prosper in our success❤❤
This man is a literal genius
Im going to relisten to this interview everyday until i pick up a paintbrush again. Deeply inspiring listen.
Great video. Two worlds collide! I'm an artist/violinist/songwriter, and a person who has recently rediscovered his love for philosophy and the values of stoicism. Thank you both for getting together and having a real, authentic conversation.
It's the true self guiding us
What a relief to be empty.
Then God can live your life.
🤍
I’m reading his book now and as a filmmaker and writer it is helping me see a new perspective on myself as an artist. I highly recommend it.
The answer Rick to the second last question about “not being that guy” was golden. Thank you. 🙏
How incredible it would be to meet him. Looking forward to the new podcast. ❤
The way a song grows from a seed of a rif or idea a sphrase into a whole thing is something i would never have believed if it haddn't happened to me loads of times i notice a thing is good then it just kind of grows as i play it over and over the more you get of it in the initial sitting the better, but it takes months to fill in all the bits .
Mr. Rubin: Authenticity ⚡❤️⚡
“Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite” is on the album Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Heart Club Band.
at 49:00 he explains the "Yes and" technique of improvisation to the point of creative flow and rick responds "Yes and." Amazing.
Soooooo cool that y’all crossed paths 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘 thank you good sir 🙏
Excelente talk. For future reference, your sound level was a good chunk lower than Rick's, not that impeded listening, it was a question of going up and down with the volumen button, but just wanted to let you know. Muchas Gracias.
A sheer extasis to listen to Mr Rubin. Music to my ears.
Very insightful conversation, I really enjoy how Rubin pauses between his thoughts. Lots of wisdom and immense respect for his words. As highlighted I think it’s really important to use your art as a creative channel between the physical and transcendental. Bringing your unique perspective to the mix. Ideas communicated, let go of and then refined months or even years later.
Thank you for all your work. What a guest, what a collab. Keep doing you!
Hey bump up the audio for other podcasts.The volume of the ads just comes in screaming!
That setting is so Rick Rubin, I imagine an incredible tree house meditation space minimalist with the odd candle sitting about .
Oh I didn’t know Jerry Seinfields kid had a post cast. It’s great too!
Great interview. One thing...the sound on your end was really hard to listen to when driving. It was hard to balance the sound to listen to you both comfortably. Great content. Looking forward to listening to more.
I stumbled on this video/channel. I love and understand the dialogue. It’s seldom I have the opportunity to hear words like this. It warms my soul. I feel I’m home. Thank you.
I finally started writing my book. This is really helpful. Thank you.
what is your book?
Wise Words
Ohh yes! Already know this is going to be a great conversation! Rick Rubin is a great mind.
Rick Rubin is one chilled dude!
Mr. Rick hit it on the nail when he said that some songs have a magic to them that are removed when people remake or remaster a song😢. Those special moments are what I wait in excitement for🤯 but when it’s removed, i have to go on a hunt for that specific version in hopes that I will find it🥴
Great interview but jesus the ads popping up every 6 minutes is insane
This was a terrific listen and has me very excited to read three books mentioned within as soon as possible. Meditations, Lao Tzu and The Creative Act. 🙏
Watching "Funky Monks" years ago, about RHCP in the studio, during the track "Give it Away", RR guiding Flea saying "Not so notey." and then vocalising the bassline he envisaged or felt was going to make that song next level... was a big call. And it was a big call that was perfect.
In my world, creativity doesn’t extend into life, creativity IS life.
Rick Rubin was a great guest to have on. I learned a lot from this
I just thought about pink floyd at 5:53 "transcendence" what a ride they had in the early days of the band. "Who's pink"
The TAO of Rick Rubin. Inspiring Guy.
Much of what RIck Rubin talks about recording music in the studio can be applied to working out in the gym. I have a barebones baseline template of workouts per week, exercises, reps, and sets that I must do. Should I feel compelled to do more (maybe I just feel super strong and energetic one day), I have the option to add more exercises and volume. If I try to force myself to do a baseline that's too exhausting and strenuous, I may experience burnout, overtrain, or start feeling resentful. I like to give myself some wiggle room to experiment and have some fun while ensuring I maintain a certain level of athleticism.
When you experience life at the most subtle level, it is hard to explain things logically.
Art is a form of self worship. The sooner we learn to focus on loving others the better the world will be.
what does that mean? we shouldnt create art?
Awesome! I love Rick and I love this channel. Imma watch this while I'm editing tracks on my new tune. Thanks for this!
Vox Poesis loves beyond recognition Rick Rubin and his creative output.
Hey Ryan i REALLY enjoyed this INTERVIEW.
I must say, i would love to always have you and rick (in this case) in the same screen, so i can see how you are listening and reacting to each others, it feels kinda confusing to have the screen change everytime someone talks. i love the feeling of sharing a table with both of you and just listen to both of you at the same time, something about not having you both in the same screen feels, off, sometimes unreal.
I hope you take this as a lil advice.
MUCH LOVE AND THANKS FOR YOUR CONTENT!
THANK YOU GARY VEE FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO!! 🙏 💙
I'm an unknown absolute nobody living in the middle of nowhere [Glasgow] Writing/Playing / Recording in my little home studio set up and it facinates me how i know i have reached a decent quality but i don't know if anyone will like my music at all, its interesting how when your Rick Ruben you get lauded as a genius yet you come from absolute obscurity, your value is endelably related to your fame. who knows what the future will bring.
50:36 When Ryan thought Rick lost connection but really he's literally patient as water and was not at all a connection glitch and was just a beautiful moment of silence/reflection. 🤣🥰 (Laughing with You Ryan,lol)
This one moment blew me away. Communication/conversation doesn't have to be rapid feedback ping pong. Our social tendency is to fill silence, more than a couple of seconds feels so incredibly awkward, but those same few seconds are barely enough for our brains to process anything. There is a balance somewhere and I struggle to find it, I wish I was sharp enough to choose the exact words to properly string a thought together as I'm thinking it. Verbally writing a 40 page fluffy essay on the spot doesn't help me sound intelligent, empathetic, or thoughtful while I'm allocating resources to body language and facial espression and observing those I'm speaking with. Gut reactions and auto-pilot aren't always the best attributes of humans!
I really love your perspectives on creativity. I resonate with all of this.
If I’m having a creative burst I set everything else aside and tap into my creativity & design with paper & pen/pencil. When I lose my creativity I begin the crafting of my piece.
Listen, Feel, Observe: who is in (very busy) mind and who is Zen? Sense the vibration in contrast thoughout this interview. Great exercise and reference for all experiencing.
If I might make a technical criticism.... Ricks audio is ok. Yours is so low that I've got my audio so pushed that when ads come on it is punishing. So, I don't think I'm gonna make it through this one, which is too bad.... What an epic bedroom he's in.
both audios are actually very low...
Amazing interview. Love reading your books, Ryan. Looking forward to going further into Rick Rudin’s book as well.
The audio was a little quiet on this recording. When the RUclips ads come on I nearly blow my speakers. Hope it’s helpful. Thank you for everything!
At least we heard Rick fine, but yeah that was really distracting.
dont dwell to much on the things taht you can to control , this is the best thing I learned from my work and btw I work in the customer service for a Telco company and this is the thing taht my supervisors always says . I'm also An Aryist and I do write and produce songs m this kind iof thinking really upgrades the way I live compared when before.
I'm Ready Rick let's go 🎤🎙️🏄🌊.
"Sometimes it's the sound of the words ... sometimes it's not about the story, it's just about the way the words make you feel" (((yes)))
This is a great interview. Why? Because we have 2 "creatives" discussing creativity. Nothing better.
Oh hell yeah what a great collab
That frequency thing he is talking about is quite literally a room, made of light where you can see the thoughts you are having as visual elements, whether it be sound or Word. I've been there, and it feels like another world within the one you live in. Might sound weird, but the hum from my air purifier let's me hop from one freq to another and sometimes I end up there. I was once laying in bed trying to tune in and I quite literally got zapped. It felt like real electricity, coolest fucking thing ever.
thats so cool bruh
ssd this
To Ryans last question. In a tribe, the most valuable piece of information is who thinks what about who. Gossip is deeply a part of who we are.
Rick Rubins mic was clear and solid, I'm having difficulties with the other speaker
Enjoyed the part of the discussion about music that feels timeless.
This guy speaks in quotes.
WCBS was my Oldies station as it inspired me to sing accapello on the street corners in NJ.