Thanks Leo, good content as always. one of my favourite youtubers. Much less crap talk and drama than the USA guys I follow - I just cant work out your pricing over there.
This is why I still follow channels like kitguru. I watch/read reviews for performance figures, not to be lectured on the evils of capitalism, trying to make me feel guilty for contributing to "e-waste" or commenters talking about how eating the early adopter tax of Zen 4 is a _good_ _thing_ because it will save me $200 over 5 years 🙄
@@darudesandstorm7002 In America, people overdramatize every small craps ever, or some pc "enthusiasts" defend some clearly bad AMD products because it's "AMD" their God to worship, therefore speaking about Intel as "money-grubbers" and "dead"
In terms of core count these days, I look to performance cores mostly and consider efficiency cores as a bonus. My recommendations (as a PC builder) are as follows: budget gaming aim for 6 cores eg 5600 or 12400, though the 13400 if it gets E-cores will become the absolute standard here, budget productivity aim for 8 cores eg: 5700x/5800x or 12700 if you can stretch, and everything above that is specific to your needs as we have the 5800x3d for gaming focus in one direction whilst the 13600k takes the all-rounder position, and the 13900k or 7950x are top-tier monsters. This 13600k is a cracking little unit, but I'm still slightly uneasy about only 6 P-cores considering the buy-in cost for K-SKU and motherboard, cooler, etc as it starts to creep up in price. This is why I think the rumoured 13400 (6c + 4c) is going to stomp in the budget gaming category, whilst for those who are investing in the z690/790 motherboards and higher tier gaming should stretch to a 13700k to get the extra 2x Pcores (relative to the cost outlay). There are so many variables in the different configurations nowadays that deciding on components is a truly bespoke process.
@@boltsandbraces6261 cheers! It's a fascinating time for PC hardware. A person could upgrade around every 5 years to the i5 "k-series" each time, and have started with (1) a 4c/4t i5 3570k (DDR3) in 2012, then (2) a 4c/4t i5 7600k (DDR4) in 2017, and now (3) a 14c/20t i5 13600k (DDR5) in 2022. One of these is *definitely* not like the others lol. Thank goodness for Ryzen.
If you'd have told me a month ago I'd be tempted to swap my 5900X for a i5 I'd have said you were mad! Fair play intel! Knocked this one out of the park!
I just picked up this processor yesterday and can’t wait to see what improvements it makes from a ryzen 2700x! Thank you for your reviews I feel good about this decision.
its its night and day between th 2700x and 5800x so it must be night and day in the middle of a heat wave with search lights focused on your face with your eyes glued open looking at the sun
Thinking of replacing my 2700 too. Not sure yet if im getting just the 5800x3d or get 13600k with new ddr4 mobo. Havent see the price for itx mobo yet. If it’s too much, ill just get 5800x3d since only using it for gaming now and not for vray/blender.
Out of the box 5.1 pulled up to 175W!!! Hit 100C. I UNDERCLOCKED it to 5.0 and it only pulled 148w & only hit 82c in the same tests. (360 AIO) Also, all tests STILL showed the 13600K a bit faster then the 12600k! Just thought I would share.
Whch make of motherboard are you using and what do the Auto settings lock in for the power limits and Vcore? we have seen similar behaviour with previous Gens of Intel CPU where the motherboard can do awful things until you fix it manually in exactly the way you have Leo
@@KitGuruTech Msi Tomahawk z690 ddr4. Was all on default settings. Unlocked power. I have tested with the 181w limit also. So far my best balance is setting clock to 5.0. Seems like over 5.0 is where it really wants the power. 20% more power draw for about 1% performace gain.
@@TheRealDlo I suggest you use an app such as HWiNFO64 to check the Vcore when you are running Cinebench or Blender. In my testing I was running at 1.15V-1.17V on Auto with 157W or 168W for the CPU. My guess is the MSI is feeding your CPU 1.3V in which case you might try setting the voltage manually. Leo
@@KitGuruTech Also, I did some voltage testing, set to 1.195V and it pulled 151w MAX and temps were 82c MAX Pulled down a 38,883 Firestrike & a 23,981 cinebench
Thank you Leo, great review!! Impressive processor!! Curious about how much is lost going with DDR4, so glad to hear you are also thinking about that!! And of course that 13700K review too..
Excellent analysis Leo, well done intel for offering something competitive in this price sector. would have liked to see them maintain 12th Gen i5 prices but its clearly not going to happen with the world the way it is now.
Id probably still opt for a new Ryzen as its the better platform IMO. Would love to see Kitguru doing some undervolting articles to see what performance you can get with the system drawing a lot less power and almost silent. its really relevant in 2022 with the cost of power.
I'm really looking forward to your DDR4 tests. I do hope you will also comment on which 12th gen boards have compatible BIOSes and why a prospective purchaser might choose a 12th gen board over a 13th gen board.
@@QuentinStephens I think its well worth getting DDR5 now, it feels a bit more future proofed and will get the most out of the platform over time. I guess if funds are tight and you already have a DDR4 kit that works well, just hold fire for a while.
Great review. I love that you're using the Blender classroom benchmark. I now only consider multithreading performance with Blender and single threading performance with Photoshop as a judgement criteria for purchasing a CPU. Because the Cinebench results are not reflective of actual performance. Price wise though the 13600K is on the same level as the 7700X not the 7600X. The 7600X is 100€ cheaper at 350€, at least here in Greece.
While the pricing of the i5 and R5 don't always match up, the platform cost still puts these 2 as direct competitors: i5 + B660 + DDR4 is slightly ahead for most workloads but costs at least €100 less than 7600X + B650 + DDR5, Need/want DDR5? Then the i5 handily beats the R5 (okay it's just another 5% or so) for roughly the same platform cost (can still use B650 instead of B750)
@@erfa10 i think this very much depends where in the world you are, a 13600k 'cheap' build here in canada is about 220 bucks more than a 'cheap' 7600x build, even if you go ddr4 on intel 7600 build is still ~100 cheaper for core components (ram, cpu, mobo)
@@3ddan148 Interesting! I'm actually picking parts to build a PC in Canada but, last I checked, I couldn't find any AM5 ITX mobo for less than $250, looks like I should start checking again in case some more B650 ITX boards are out Edit: Seems like the ITX side is just lacking on AM5 for now
@@erfa10 im looking at a asrock b650 board for 197 from CC, not ITX, ITX boards are almost always more expensive than the cheapeast options because they have moore PCB layers. my ITX B550 was 319
Awesome review. Plese make another video lowering voltages. In a poland web site some guy lower the vcore of the 13.600k to 1.1 in a MSI board and works exactly as the 1.35v default that msi board put since the beginning. The temps change from 90 to 69C.. Please make this new video! Awesome work!
Great reviews on the 13600k and 13900k Leo. Any ideas when you might have the 13700k review ready for us? been contemplating this for a while but I want to hear your views before buying.
Im up and down on these processors, the more I watch ---- not a huge fan of the power draw, it seems a very brute force method of doing things, just sending in so much power to get the clocks and performance.
great video. just got my 13600K. when idling in windows all cores are at 1.1 GHz (C state 1?), and just moving the mouse instantly sends them to max turbo boost (5.1 for P cores, 3.9 for E cores). Is that normal?
the 3dcache doesnt help with mult threaded work loads. The 8 core should have been the 7600x. I cant knock AMD too hard though. there is a reason the Intels 10th and 11th gen are no where to be found but their competitor, the 5000 series is. It merc'd them both.
@@zeropride1133 most people buying the 13600k are probably gamers, and in that case, multi-threaded compute type workloads are kinda irrelevant. If you're looking for a new workstation cpu you have all the data you need at this point, but 7k 3d will likely mop the floor with intel in gaming, so in that case, definitely worth waiting a few months to see it in the flesh.
@@zeropride1133 The problem with AMD is you usually gotta wait for them to catch up, 8700k released the same year as Zen 1 and the 8700k was usually quite a lot better in games. It took until Zen 2 3000 series to get closer to the 8700k and was still mostly behind in games. Alder Lake noticeably ahead for over a year before AMD mostly just caught up. Competition is good for sure though.
@@hoff521 by the time zen4x3d is out, 14th gen will be around the corner. Besides with 4090 and future more powerful gpus, cache would not be as significant in gaming especially if SAM aka re-bar becomes a norm
11:12 While this does suck up more power, it scales up performance as well. Can you do a test of this CPU vs Ryzen 7600/7700 power limited to say, 90W or something?
$299 USD at the right store here in the states. Sadly for what you'd pay in the UK you could get the 13700k when converted to USD. 380GBP ~ $430USD as of this writing
It's all about the number of threads in terms of production. Since intel is coming in so aggressive with pricing and thread count, AMD will need to ditch the 6 core for at least 8 or 10. They have the better architecture no doubt. The 7950 is proof of that as it does more with less.
On the flip side, Intel are still competing with AMD despite being at a massive node disadvantage (10nm vs 5nm), which is a testament to just how good their architecture is.
I'm just outstanded, these comments, from these alleged PC enthusiasts, sound more like manchester united and arsenal football club fans PMSL 😂 love the channel though
I from the States, so I guess that being manchester united and arsenal football clubs combined, that would be like some Ork from Lord of the Rings Xbox seriers.
Just on the UK v USA price is the US price including sales tax? If not then you need to add that on in order to look at price. Still bloody expensive to upgrade in the UK
@@ionelroza8711 I have been building pcs for like 20 years. I have built both systems and supported both systems. Like I would probably buy an AMD processor. I had an 8700k for the last 4 years and the 13900k is just the best option for me right now (better compatibility with games I play - cod). They are processors, they gunna process. But these people treat it like a religion and act like intel massacred innocent people or something. I cannot understand what is wrong with these people, it is honestly Cult like behavior. The most disturbing part about this is that it's the majority of PC enthusiasts. I showed someone my build and they were like "Ew, intel".... Why. What possible reason could you have to be disgusted by a processor. There was one I saw last night that was saying Intel supporting DDR 4 is scamming customers... How. How mentally twisted do you have to be to take an actually very very consumer friendly feature of these new processors and mental gymnastics it into "intel is scamming its users". I am just disturbed tbh.
@@notreya I know exactly what you mean :)) I just don't like fanboys, of any company. They're trying so hard to make AMD look good, for what? There were a few that compared TDP with total power consumption. See AMD is better. OMG :)) Or, they're pulling random watts figures, like 88W, or 89W, 60W so when you compare them then AMD is better. You know that meme with some crazy guy and red pieces of strings on a whiteboard that was trying to explain everything. That's how I imagine these guys.
Currently debating in my head between this and the i7 for my new build. Either or will be huge over my i5-4460.... But so many options and comparisons makes my head spin.
@@robertmyers6488 no really it almost the same price cuz 5800x3d it like 100/130 more then 13600k but intel platform cost little more like 100$ whit ram ddr5
This makes me wonder - if the 12th gen i5 and i7 were the basis for the HX variants of the Intel laptop top range, how well would a 13th gen based HX be like if we are more restricted both power- and heat-soaking-wise...
8:45 For gaming performance, or in other words the "FPS", it is not the E-cores doing something, but it is the L2/L3 cache allocated to E-cores doing something. When you disable the E-cores, you are also disabling the use of the L2/L3 cache allocated to E-cores, ending up getting less L2/L3 cache for the CPU. That is why disabling the E-cores does not give you an obvious FPS improvement for 13th gen. In Bios settings, we cannot set the number of P-cores to 0, the minimum is 1. But we can try to compare the performance of 1P+8E vs. 6P+0E vs. 8P+0E in the games, it will be a very interesting test.
Isn't cache shared among p and e cores? When e cores are off p cores can still access them. I think with hybrid arch it's best to check gaming performance when having load of things in background like discord, chrome and some other stuff. It can make sizable difference against amd's just 8-cores or 6 cores part. Tho all is just a speculation until tested.
@@hachiman3742 L3 is shared for the P and E cores, but the L1 and L2 cache are private to each core in the P cores and E cores. Intel processors don’t have as much L3 cache as AMD’s but have more L2 cache than AMD’s, so 13900K will end up getting much less L2+L3 total cache than AMD 7950X if E-cores are disabled. That way, you get the pure performance of an 8 P-cores 13900K. As the Intel P-cores are intrinsically stronger than the AMD cores, you will still have pretty strong performance with even less L2 cache. But when the E-cores are enabled, the more L2 cache won’t promise you a higher FPS because the E cores are intrinsically weaker than the P-cores. So… it is a trade-off between more weak cores (more weak cores = lower FPS if they process gaming programs) and more L2 cache (larger cache = higher FPS). If people argue that E-cores won’t be processing any intense gaming programs, then only the P-cores are processing your games, that way, even the E-cores are enabled in a 13900K during your games, it is actually still an 8P+0E 13900K for your gaming, and therefore your 13900K won’t be using the L2 cache that was privately allocated to E cores anyway. So whether your game uses E cores or not, it falls into one of the two senators I outlined above. Conclusion: So only if the L2 cache of disabled E cores can still be shared by 8 P cores, you can get the highest FPS, otherwise you won't get much of a difference whether you block E cores or not.
Very good review Leo. What is your view of the benefit (or otherwise) of DDR4 Vs DDR5 for gaming? Worth the premium? And, what is your view of the whole Z790 Vs Z690 motherboard debate for a 13600K? Or, would a good B660 suffice? There are a lot of different hardware combinations, and it is tricky to see which one offers fair value and a good future upgrade path.
@@KitGuruTech Thank you Leo for the information. I have a few questions. Did you run the tests for both productivity and gaming software (ie, the same as featured in the above video)? Did you use DDR4, or DDR5 RAM? If both types of RAM were tested, then was there a difference? You tested the 13900K. It would certainly be very interesting if the 13600K was subjected to the same Z690 vs Z790 test (and even a DDR4 vs DDR5 battle). Lastly, do you think the model of Z690, or Z790 board will matter much? Would an entry level Z690 board be sufficient (I believe bios flash back is a required feature)? With thanks.
Im still undecided which one to buy for a new rig, so many options - I am looking forward to seeing Lukes reviews of the new Ryzen ones to challenge this, even if the 7600X looks to be getting its ass handed to it on a large plate.
Honestly the extreme UK prices of the intel are enough that I think if they just brought out a £150 cheaper motherboard for AM5 that'd be an instant consideration, especially since this otherwise far superior processor gets completely trounced in many if not most games by the X3D. Those AM5 3D variants are clearly going to be miles ahead in gaming, I don't think there's another sensible interpretation. As it is, it's barely cheaper than the X3D (and probably just in general more expensive when you include a compatible motherboard) but both behind in a lot of games and presumably even further behind if money is being saved and it isn't being paired with fast DDR5 RAM. As it stands, outside of very few titles it seems like it is a competition between "considerably worse gaming performance" and "drastically worse general productivity performance", with no upgrade path for either. My PC is horrendously old, but while stuff like the 5600 or 12400 are cheap, they're also still part of a prospective system that will still cost over a grand and potentially going to be struggling to keep up in a couple of years (and second hand CPUs don't seem to depreciate massively, so I've no illusions about being able to get a dirt cheap X3D in three years). Ah, this is such a debate. I'd like enough headroom that I can go another 7 years without my CPU performance behind a hinderance, but jumping to a new platform or DDR5 or an almost £400 CPU adds so massively to the costs.
Mobile phone processors have shown us the simple truth 10 years ago. "8086" has become overcomplicated, for most tasks wasted tech. What took us so long? You won't save too much energy with redesigned simpler chips, as nothing comes from nothing. Every calculation needs its energy at particular process node. More or less. But the design itself can become compact and simple. Thus saving on production and eventually use. And since it's 2022 - power limit everything.
@Stein Mauer wrong lol, 13th gens a currently a tweaker's dream. All the multiplier issues that were caused by the ecores seems to be solved. People are now messing with the ring frequency aka cache speed. Plus any setup running below 7400mhz DDR5 is doing something wrong. Messing with the ring and ddr5 tuning can extract about 10-20% more fps in gaming performance from stock without power increase... also now the effecient ecores can be overclocked stably. Althought these are considered after tweaks so it's not for everyone.
Its an interesting concept, but you have to test a product with how its sold to the general public. Its a little like buying a V12 engine car and turning off some of the cylinders to match power consumption of another car with a different engine layout. Pointless for most people.
Got 12600k paired with 4090 ddr5 on oled tv 4k 120hz... I skipped 13600k... I guess I don't benefit much from it for gaming... But still a very nice job from intel on that chip
i now understand that E cores are simply P cores that do no perform as good as P cores and Intel found a way to sell them to you anyways but the DDR 4 benchmarks will show fast ddr 4 will perform close to slow ddr 5 but I am very happy with my I3 12100 with 16 gig ddr 5 4800 and a RX6600 as it runs everything on a 1440p 144hz 32: curved monitor with ease
Lol. The 7600x is outperform in gaming the 13600k. Not sure how this benchmarks been made but anywhere else the 7600x outperform it. The 7700x outperform even the 13700k.
@@gergelykiss1142 Can you provide a video for this? Where does the 7600x outperforms the 13600k? Most PC youtbers claim that the 13600k is the superior one.
why not a single comment of how the 5800X3D performed so well compared to the 7000 and 13600 on topic in gaming. What was the system spec on the ddr4 ram? Curious.
Because if everyone suddenly realizes that CPU's became irrelevant for non 1080p gaming post Ryzen 3000 series then all of these youtubers would loose more affiliate link sales.
@@evrythingis1 Funniest thing is,in gaming scenarios where the new CPUs actually make a difference like Simulators and Emulation of console exclusives they dont bother even testing them.
@@KitGuruTech Can I assume that the ram used in the above video upload used this ram from the linked test above for the 5800X3D still to keep consistency? 32GB (2x16GB dual-rank) Corsair Vengeance LPX 3600MHz 16-18-18-36 DDR4 @ 1.35V.
Let's be honest. The 4080 will not release until Ampere stock is sold and that is assumed to be end of the year or even next. By that time AMD will be coming with 3d CPUs and Intel will be preparing for Meteor Lake. If you are waiting for 4080 you might as well wait for CPU.
You have the graphs in front of you and presumably read about the 3D before you placed your order. It is a fine gaming CPU and definitely has to be assessed on its own terms Leo
To have a noticeable improvement (5-8%) with the 13th gen you need to get DDR5, with DDR4 the 5800X3D and the 13600K are tie for gaming, in some cases the 5800X3D is even more powerful.
there is a huge discrepancy in temperatures between your test and hAMDware Unboxed. They claim it straigh on thermal throttles reaching 100c under a 360mm AIO...pathetic attempt to produce a "win" for AMD....
You might want to watch the following minute in that HUB video as it is clear the default MSI power profile abuses the CPU while manual settings drop their temp to mid-80s. Having said that the Corsair H150i works very well and the figure we saw were all good Leo
@@Kevin-fl7mj budget isn't a constraint for me. All I'm worried is about the thermal output from 13th gen processors. The max turbo output is 253watts and real world they are catching up 300 watts. Which is insane.
7700x is the king under $400 then you put a 3d cache chip there keeping the same motherboard and ram compatible with pcie5 for future proof... aside ot is more power efficient... I am following thatbpath, I just got rid of my 12900k and I couldn't be much happier with the 7700x... set the curve optimizer and temps stayed in the 50°C
Intel catching some massive W’s this time around great CPU options and after AMD boasting clock speeds they get overtaken by a intel clock speed world record 😂 gotta enjoy that competition
I'm guessing only gamers buy computer hardware. I feel so lonely, the only person in the world who uses computers for work. Of course, frames per second is the only thing that really matters.
@@ionelroza Software development - AI, ML. I'm interested in CPUs and graphics cards for deep learning applications, not frame rates. Processing power matters to me. You?
Thanks Leo, good content as always. one of my favourite youtubers. Much less crap talk and drama than the USA guys I follow - I just cant work out your pricing over there.
Just multiply the UK price by 1.14 to get the US dollar price.
This is why I still follow channels like kitguru. I watch/read reviews for performance figures, not to be lectured on the evils of capitalism, trying to make me feel guilty for contributing to "e-waste" or commenters talking about how eating the early adopter tax of Zen 4 is a _good_ _thing_ because it will save me $200 over 5 years 🙄
Yes, Leo really does set the standard impressively high.
Great review !
@@darudesandstorm7002 In America, people overdramatize every small craps ever, or some pc "enthusiasts" defend some clearly bad AMD products because it's "AMD" their God to worship, therefore speaking about Intel as "money-grubbers" and "dead"
Between the 5800X3D and these 13th Gens there is really no reason to buy Ryzen 7000 for gaming
Sadly lol
fast forward a year, i got a 7600x for 190 euros while 13600 and 5800x3d are 300 euros. making it far better value for money at 2/3 of the price.
In terms of core count these days, I look to performance cores mostly and consider efficiency cores as a bonus. My recommendations (as a PC builder) are as follows: budget gaming aim for 6 cores eg 5600 or 12400, though the 13400 if it gets E-cores will become the absolute standard here, budget productivity aim for 8 cores eg: 5700x/5800x or 12700 if you can stretch, and everything above that is specific to your needs as we have the 5800x3d for gaming focus in one direction whilst the 13600k takes the all-rounder position, and the 13900k or 7950x are top-tier monsters.
This 13600k is a cracking little unit, but I'm still slightly uneasy about only 6 P-cores considering the buy-in cost for K-SKU and motherboard, cooler, etc as it starts to creep up in price. This is why I think the rumoured 13400 (6c + 4c) is going to stomp in the budget gaming category, whilst for those who are investing in the z690/790 motherboards and higher tier gaming should stretch to a 13700k to get the extra 2x Pcores (relative to the cost outlay).
There are so many variables in the different configurations nowadays that deciding on components is a truly bespoke process.
good post man, well said.
@@boltsandbraces6261 cheers! It's a fascinating time for PC hardware.
A person could upgrade around every 5 years to the i5 "k-series" each time, and have started with (1) a 4c/4t i5 3570k (DDR3) in 2012, then (2) a 4c/4t i5 7600k (DDR4) in 2017, and now (3) a 14c/20t i5 13600k (DDR5) in 2022.
One of these is *definitely* not like the others lol. Thank goodness for Ryzen.
If you'd have told me a month ago I'd be tempted to swap my 5900X for a i5 I'd have said you were mad! Fair play intel! Knocked this one out of the park!
yeah its prety good for sure man, quite surprised after a few years of 'meh' intel releases. what system you rocking?
@@overclockingdemon7179 5900x has aged well. ive got one myself, waiting for the 13700k review to make a call before end of year.
its impressed me a lot more than the i9. Waiting to see leos review of the i7 as its the goldilocks sweet spot. I think. or hope!
I just picked up this processor yesterday and can’t wait to see what improvements it makes from a ryzen 2700x! Thank you for your reviews I feel good about this decision.
Well done. Bet you are feeling happy ! 😊
its its night and day between th 2700x and 5800x so it must be night and day in the middle of a heat wave with search lights focused on your face with your eyes glued open looking at the sun
Seriously thinking of taking the plunge on one of these too - it's very good value for money given the performance.
So you didn’t consider a 5800x3d ?
Thinking of replacing my 2700 too. Not sure yet if im getting just the 5800x3d or get 13600k with new ddr4 mobo. Havent see the price for itx mobo yet. If it’s too much, ill just get 5800x3d since only using it for gaming now and not for vray/blender.
Out of the box 5.1 pulled up to 175W!!! Hit 100C. I UNDERCLOCKED it to 5.0 and it only pulled 148w & only hit 82c in the same tests. (360 AIO) Also, all tests STILL showed the 13600K a bit faster then the 12600k! Just thought I would share.
Whch make of motherboard are you using and what do the Auto settings lock in for the power limits and Vcore? we have seen similar behaviour with previous Gens of Intel CPU where the motherboard can do awful things until you fix it manually in exactly the way you have
Leo
@@KitGuruTech Msi Tomahawk z690 ddr4. Was all on default settings. Unlocked power. I have tested with the 181w limit also. So far my best balance is setting clock to 5.0. Seems like over 5.0 is where it really wants the power. 20% more power draw for about 1% performace gain.
@@TheRealDlo I suggest you use an app such as HWiNFO64 to check the Vcore when you are running Cinebench or Blender. In my testing I was running at 1.15V-1.17V on Auto with 157W or 168W for the CPU. My guess is the MSI is feeding your CPU 1.3V in which case you might try setting the voltage manually.
Leo
@@KitGuruTech Looks like 1.380V is what my MSI is pulling! Resulting in like 185w and high temps up to 100c
@@KitGuruTech Also, I did some voltage testing, set to 1.195V and it pulled 151w MAX and temps were 82c MAX
Pulled down a 38,883 Firestrike & a 23,981 cinebench
Thank you Leo, great review!! Impressive processor!! Curious about how much is lost going with DDR4, so glad to hear you are also thinking about that!! And of course that 13700K review too..
Excellent analysis Leo, well done intel for offering something competitive in this price sector. would have liked to see them maintain 12th Gen i5 prices but its clearly not going to happen with the world the way it is now.
These are great CPUs but my 12600k runs at 5.1ghz on an old D14.
It cost £248 on launch just last November.
These 13600ks are £360.
Impressive! Would love to hear your review of the 13700k.
Me to. The other one I watched wasn’t great.
@@johnerikson2443 There are very few i7-13700K reviews out there.
waiting for that one too, not many good ones about atm, Leo does some of the best
Thanks Leo! Looking forward to you testing the i5 13th gen on DDR4 motherboards and memory. I'll definitely check the channel every once in a while.
Id probably still opt for a new Ryzen as its the better platform IMO. Would love to see Kitguru doing some undervolting articles to see what performance you can get with the system drawing a lot less power and almost silent. its really relevant in 2022 with the cost of power.
New king for mid end?
Wouldn't even call it a mid-end.. I mean it's good enough for 99% of workloads.. I would say the 12400 is Intels mid-end..
I'm really looking forward to your DDR4 tests. I do hope you will also comment on which 12th gen boards have compatible BIOSes and why a prospective purchaser might choose a 12th gen board over a 13th gen board.
why ddr 4 is old news a good set of ddr 5 4800 is easy to find and afford for a budget build 12000 or 13000 gen Intel cpu
@@dexter2433 DDR5 is still expensive: a 64 GB kit will cost me £330.
@@QuentinStephens I think its well worth getting DDR5 now, it feels a bit more future proofed and will get the most out of the platform over time. I guess if funds are tight and you already have a DDR4 kit that works well, just hold fire for a while.
@@dexter2433 lol
because people already HAVE DDR4 and maybe even a z690 motherboard.
Great review. I love that you're using the Blender classroom benchmark. I now only consider multithreading performance with Blender and single threading performance with Photoshop as a judgement criteria for purchasing a CPU. Because the Cinebench results are not reflective of actual performance.
Price wise though the 13600K is on the same level as the 7700X not the 7600X. The 7600X is 100€ cheaper at 350€, at least here in Greece.
While the pricing of the i5 and R5 don't always match up, the platform cost still puts these 2 as direct competitors:
i5 + B660 + DDR4 is slightly ahead for most workloads but costs at least €100 less than 7600X + B650 + DDR5,
Need/want DDR5? Then the i5 handily beats the R5 (okay it's just another 5% or so) for roughly the same platform cost (can still use B650 instead of B750)
@@erfa10 i think this very much depends where in the world you are, a 13600k 'cheap' build here in canada is about 220 bucks more than a 'cheap' 7600x build, even if you go ddr4 on intel 7600 build is still ~100 cheaper for core components (ram, cpu, mobo)
@@3ddan148 Interesting! I'm actually picking parts to build a PC in Canada but, last I checked, I couldn't find any AM5 ITX mobo for less than $250, looks like I should start checking again in case some more B650 ITX boards are out
Edit: Seems like the ITX side is just lacking on AM5 for now
@@erfa10 there is no reason to go ddr5 with 13th gen. you will be losing 25% or more of performance in certain games/engines
@@erfa10 im looking at a asrock b650 board for 197 from CC, not ITX, ITX boards are almost always more expensive than the cheapeast options because they have moore PCB layers. my ITX B550 was 319
Well im going to have to show this to my mate tomorrow, as he has been going on about ordering the 7600X. should start his week off in a good way 🤪
Good review Leo, straight to the point as always. Its quite a good processor overall I think.
Best cpu i ever bought. Working like a charme since Nov 2022.
another good review Leo, and nice choice of components to keep things level across the board. between the i5 and i9
Awesome review. Plese make another video lowering voltages. In a poland web site some guy lower the vcore of the 13.600k to 1.1 in a MSI board and works exactly as the 1.35v default that msi board put since the beginning. The temps change from 90 to 69C.. Please make this new video! Awesome work!
The 115W figures in our chart effectively do that as the power cap drops Vcore to 1.05V
Leo
Good example of why competition is so desperately needed.
Yes !
Great reviews on the 13600k and 13900k Leo. Any ideas when you might have the 13700k review ready for us? been contemplating this for a while but I want to hear your views before buying.
id love to see the 13700k review
Im up and down on these processors, the more I watch ---- not a huge fan of the power draw, it seems a very brute force method of doing things, just sending in so much power to get the clocks and performance.
You didn't see the 115watt test?
great video. just got my 13600K. when idling in windows all cores are at 1.1 GHz (C state 1?), and just moving the mouse instantly sends them to max turbo boost (5.1 for P cores, 3.9 for E cores). Is that normal?
Great review Leo. This is a pretty impressive CPU to be honest. I'm really interested to see what AMD can do with a '3D' release in the future
the 3dcache doesnt help with mult threaded work loads. The 8 core should have been the 7600x. I cant knock AMD too hard though. there is a reason the Intels 10th and 11th gen are no where to be found but their competitor, the 5000 series is. It merc'd them both.
@@zeropride1133 most people buying the 13600k are probably gamers, and in that case, multi-threaded compute type workloads are kinda irrelevant. If you're looking for a new workstation cpu you have all the data you need at this point, but 7k 3d will likely mop the floor with intel in gaming, so in that case, definitely worth waiting a few months to see it in the flesh.
@@zeropride1133 The problem with AMD is you usually gotta wait for them to catch up, 8700k released the same year as Zen 1 and the 8700k was usually quite a lot better in games. It took until Zen 2 3000 series to get closer to the 8700k and was still mostly behind in games. Alder Lake noticeably ahead for over a year before AMD mostly just caught up. Competition is good for sure though.
@@hoff521 by the time zen4x3d is out, 14th gen will be around the corner. Besides with 4090 and future more powerful gpus, cache would not be as significant in gaming especially if SAM aka re-bar becomes a norm
Amd fanboys last hope is 3dvcache. I said AMD where gonna lose this time.
Great Review this, just found the channel today, subbed!
Welcome aboard!
is the raptor lake i5 going to go down in history as one of the best i5s to ever to be released?
Probably,together with the 2400,2500k,10400f and 12400f
@@Kevin-fl7mj +8700k
@@notreya that was i7
@@darudesandstorm7002 My mistake.
Yeah it is their best
best CPU this years, only stupid poeple buying 6 core cpu that cost more than 13600k :D
11:12 While this does suck up more power, it scales up performance as well.
Can you do a test of this CPU vs Ryzen 7600/7700 power limited to say, 90W or something?
The 13600K is so good it looks like an Intel mistake ! 🤣🤣
Lol I know
Hello sir, at 65w does 13600k perform better than 7600x in gaming performance?
Highly doubtful.
Throttling the power down on these new CPUs to minimum and benchmarking against each other would be very good knowledge.
@@festerleech4952 yes as someone who prefer efficiency, i need that information, not just on i5 vs R5 but also for i7vR7.
@@madarasoun3018 ok Greta
@@georgelowrielowrie5428 not her fan, dude. I just don't wanna spend unnecessarily more on electricity bill.
This comment section is filled with amd fans. They prefer 4 frames more in game than additional 8 cores on cpu.
It's hard to pick between the two this time around.
13600k price perfomance king
$299 USD at the right store here in the states. Sadly for what you'd pay in the UK you could get the 13700k when converted to USD. 380GBP ~ $430USD as of this writing
Good review, the graphs gave me a lot of good information kitguru
I honestly feel Intel made the 13600k too good for gaming.
Too good ? 😮
switch to celeron, that's the sweet spot this generation
@@theonlyredspecial for the price yes
It's all about the number of threads in terms of production. Since intel is coming in so aggressive with pricing and thread count, AMD will need to ditch the 6 core for at least 8 or 10. They have the better architecture no doubt. The 7950 is proof of that as it does more with less.
On the flip side, Intel are still competing with AMD despite being at a massive node disadvantage (10nm vs 5nm), which is a testament to just how good their architecture is.
Good review Leo, put a lot of work into it as always. thanks!
Much appreciated!
Damn, I was hoping for the I7 review next ! Only saw another one online and its crap. But thanks Leo, this one looks good!
I'm just outstanded, these comments, from these alleged PC enthusiasts, sound more like manchester united and arsenal football club fans PMSL 😂 love the channel though
I from the States, so I guess that being manchester united and arsenal football clubs combined, that would be like some Ork from Lord of the Rings Xbox seriers.
Yes amd fans seem to losing their sh1t ! And I class myself as an amd fan. It’s amusing.
Does anyone know if overclocking the CPU matters at 4k/1440p gaming?
Nice vid btw
👍thanks! well done!
Just on the UK v USA price is the US price including sales tax? If not then you need to add that on in order to look at price. Still bloody expensive to upgrade in the UK
Leo can you review the 13700k I7 please?
I see this video has triggered a lot of AMD enthusiasts in chat today. 😂
Bro the angry amd fanboy cope comments are amazing
Indeed. All Raptor Lake reviews are filled with AMD coping and napkin math.
@@ionelroza8711 I have been building pcs for like 20 years. I have built both systems and supported both systems.
Like I would probably buy an AMD processor. I had an 8700k for the last 4 years and the 13900k is just the best option for me right now (better compatibility with games I play - cod).
They are processors, they gunna process.
But these people treat it like a religion and act like intel massacred innocent people or something.
I cannot understand what is wrong with these people, it is honestly Cult like behavior. The most disturbing part about this is that it's the majority of PC enthusiasts.
I showed someone my build and they were like "Ew, intel".... Why. What possible reason could you have to be disgusted by a processor.
There was one I saw last night that was saying Intel supporting DDR 4 is scamming customers...
How.
How mentally twisted do you have to be to take an actually very very consumer friendly feature of these new processors and mental gymnastics it into "intel is scamming its users".
I am just disturbed tbh.
@@notreya I know exactly what you mean :)) I just don't like fanboys, of any company.
They're trying so hard to make AMD look good, for what?
There were a few that compared TDP with total power consumption. See AMD is better. OMG :))
Or, they're pulling random watts figures, like 88W, or 89W, 60W so when you compare them then AMD is better.
You know that meme with some crazy guy and red pieces of strings on a whiteboard that was trying to explain everything. That's how I imagine these guys.
Actually Hardcore Overclocking overclocked his 13600k to 5.6GHz all p cores stable on air (e cores disabled).
So you’re point is the 13600K is great if you disable the E-cores? If not, you will need to buy a 360mm liquid cooler($200).
@@tringuyen7519 I'm quite confident $100 Arctic Freezer Liquid II with thicker 280mm rad will do better job than any of these 360mm AIOs...
Not very real world testing tho.
@@Micromation that's a fact. it even does better than some custom loops lol
Currently debating in my head between this and the i7 for my new build. Either or will be huge over my i5-4460.... But so many options and comparisons makes my head spin.
i7
power comsuption idle is better then 7600x and the gaming is 20w more then 7600x i think it nice trade
Save money and buy the 5800x3D.
And energy.
@@robertmyers6488 5800x3d lame
@@robertmyers6488 no really it almost the same price cuz 5800x3d it like 100/130 more then 13600k but intel platform cost little more like 100$ whit ram ddr5
The Empire Strikes Back...! Glad to see intel taking strides after some years where AMD seemed like the better choice.
I hope for a 7600 at 65 watts tdp and 229-249$ and a 7700 at 65 watts for 349$. AMD has to do something
How far can you push the i5 for all core I have seen 13900k reaching 5.8 on p cores
Of course it would. It has more cores. Gaming however at 1440p somewhat and definitely at 4k in most games all these cpus will be equal.
Except for esports people who games at 1080p anyway.
@@robertmyers6488 i think the 7000 series cleans house on the esports games.
Having more cores doesn't always matter lol
But those are e-cores not performance cores
@@iwobos might want to take a look at production benches. Intel beefed them up and uped the clocks. this is why the 6 core looks so bad for the money.
This makes me wonder - if the 12th gen i5 and i7 were the basis for the HX variants of the Intel laptop top range, how well would a 13th gen based HX be like if we are more restricted both power- and heat-soaking-wise...
wish the pricing was a little bit better, but like everything in 2022, we pay through the yang for it.
this video: *exists*
Canary Chrome: *happiness noises*
Leo what was the absolutel maximum you got out of the processor ?what volts?
Very modest figures - 1.05Vcore at 115W/4.7GHz and 1.15V-1.20Vcore for 157W and OC
HEY IM FAMOUS ! thanks LEO ! Great review on this one, looks like its next on my list end of year. Once I can convince the wife not to murder me.
Will you sign my account.
Good things (sometimes) come to those who wait
almost no point in buying AMD this gen lol. Only point that come to my mind is platform longevity but holy hell that has an expensive buy-in
Love me an ASUS motherboard. The BIOS feature of being able to restrict power draw that’s very useful especially nowadays!
8:45 For gaming performance, or in other words the "FPS", it is not the E-cores doing something, but it is the L2/L3 cache allocated to E-cores doing something. When you disable the E-cores, you are also disabling the use of the L2/L3 cache allocated to E-cores, ending up getting less L2/L3 cache for the CPU. That is why disabling the E-cores does not give you an obvious FPS improvement for 13th gen. In Bios settings, we cannot set the number of P-cores to 0, the minimum is 1. But we can try to compare the performance of 1P+8E vs. 6P+0E vs. 8P+0E in the games, it will be a very interesting test.
In other words, if Intel changes all the E-cores of the 13th gen to P-cores, the gaming performance would actually be higher than it is now.
Isn't cache shared among p and e cores? When e cores are off p cores can still access them. I think with hybrid arch it's best to check gaming performance when having load of things in background like discord, chrome and some other stuff. It can make sizable difference against amd's just 8-cores or 6 cores part. Tho all is just a speculation until tested.
@@hachiman3742 L3 is shared for the P and E cores, but the L1 and L2 cache are private to each core in the P cores and E cores. Intel processors don’t have as much L3 cache as AMD’s but have more L2 cache than AMD’s, so 13900K will end up getting much less L2+L3 total cache than AMD 7950X if E-cores are disabled. That way, you get the pure performance of an 8 P-cores 13900K. As the Intel P-cores are intrinsically stronger than the AMD cores, you will still have pretty strong performance with even less L2 cache. But when the E-cores are enabled, the more L2 cache won’t promise you a higher FPS because the E cores are intrinsically weaker than the P-cores. So… it is a trade-off between more weak cores (more weak cores = lower FPS if they process gaming programs) and more L2 cache (larger cache = higher FPS).
If people argue that E-cores won’t be processing any intense gaming programs, then only the P-cores are processing your games, that way, even the E-cores are enabled in a 13900K during your games, it is actually still an 8P+0E 13900K for your gaming, and therefore your 13900K won’t be using the L2 cache that was privately allocated to E cores anyway. So whether your game uses E cores or not, it falls into one of the two senators I outlined above.
Conclusion: So only if the L2 cache of disabled E cores can still be shared by 8 P cores, you can get the highest FPS, otherwise you won't get much of a difference whether you block E cores or not.
Very good review Leo.
What is your view of the benefit (or otherwise) of DDR4 Vs DDR5 for gaming? Worth the premium?
And, what is your view of the whole Z790 Vs Z690 motherboard debate for a 13600K? Or, would a good B660 suffice? There are a lot of different hardware combinations, and it is tricky to see which one offers fair value and a good future upgrade path.
Don't mind me, tagging along to see replies
There is no future upgrade path for 13th gen Intel. They will be moving to a new socket with 14th gen/Meteor Lake.
I ran Core i9-12900K and i9-13900K on both Z690 and Z790. There was no difference.
Leo
@@darudesandstorm7002 For people who don't upgrade their cpu's all the time (which is most of them), every socket is a new socket.
@@KitGuruTech Thank you Leo for the information. I have a few questions.
Did you run the tests for both productivity and gaming software (ie, the same as featured in the above video)?
Did you use DDR4, or DDR5 RAM? If both types of RAM were tested, then was there a difference?
You tested the 13900K. It would certainly be very interesting if the 13600K was subjected to the same Z690 vs Z790 test (and even a DDR4 vs DDR5 battle).
Lastly, do you think the model of Z690, or Z790 board will matter much? Would an entry level Z690 board be sufficient (I believe bios flash back is a required feature)? With thanks.
Im still undecided which one to buy for a new rig, so many options - I am looking forward to seeing Lukes reviews of the new Ryzen ones to challenge this, even if the 7600X looks to be getting its ass handed to it on a large plate.
It depends on the use it's going to get and the budget.
"here we have the 13600 tuned to the brim, while the stock 7600x sits comfortably behind" #userkitgurutech
Honestly the extreme UK prices of the intel are enough that I think if they just brought out a £150 cheaper motherboard for AM5 that'd be an instant consideration, especially since this otherwise far superior processor gets completely trounced in many if not most games by the X3D. Those AM5 3D variants are clearly going to be miles ahead in gaming, I don't think there's another sensible interpretation. As it is, it's barely cheaper than the X3D (and probably just in general more expensive when you include a compatible motherboard) but both behind in a lot of games and presumably even further behind if money is being saved and it isn't being paired with fast DDR5 RAM. As it stands, outside of very few titles it seems like it is a competition between "considerably worse gaming performance" and "drastically worse general productivity performance", with no upgrade path for either. My PC is horrendously old, but while stuff like the 5600 or 12400 are cheap, they're also still part of a prospective system that will still cost over a grand and potentially going to be struggling to keep up in a couple of years (and second hand CPUs don't seem to depreciate massively, so I've no illusions about being able to get a dirt cheap X3D in three years). Ah, this is such a debate. I'd like enough headroom that I can go another 7 years without my CPU performance behind a hinderance, but jumping to a new platform or DDR5 or an almost £400 CPU adds so massively to the costs.
Nice post. You make a lot of sense
"Clearly going to be "" ,,,, Twisted mind of AMD fan-girl sees the future ,, LMAO
Very nice presentation and on point!
Mobile phone processors have shown us the simple truth 10 years ago. "8086" has become overcomplicated, for most tasks wasted tech. What took us so long?
You won't save too much energy with redesigned simpler chips, as nothing comes from nothing. Every calculation needs its energy at particular process node. More or less. But the design itself can become compact and simple. Thus saving on production and eventually use. And since it's 2022 - power limit everything.
Could you please test the maxtor CTG9 thermal grease? I think it's better than Arctic Cooling MX-4 and cheaper. Ty.
You can please also test Memory latency on these new CPU's?
I wish reviewers would also present results normalized by power consumption. That is a definitely factor in the price - performance of these CPUs.
@Stein Mauer wrong lol, 13th gens a currently a tweaker's dream. All the multiplier issues that were caused by the ecores seems to be solved. People are now messing with the ring frequency aka cache speed. Plus any setup running below 7400mhz DDR5 is doing something wrong. Messing with the ring and ddr5 tuning can extract about 10-20% more fps in gaming performance from stock without power increase... also now the effecient ecores can be overclocked stably.
Althought these are considered after tweaks so it's not for everyone.
Its an interesting concept, but you have to test a product with how its sold to the general public. Its a little like buying a V12 engine car and turning off some of the cylinders to match power consumption of another car with a different engine layout. Pointless for most people.
Got 12600k paired with 4090 ddr5 on oled tv 4k 120hz... I skipped 13600k... I guess I don't benefit much from it for gaming... But still a very nice job from intel on that chip
lul how exactly does it smash 7600x? 5 more fps in exchange for more power draw isnt smashing anything.
cope
Could you test it with normal human ddr4 3600mhz cl18 standard kit where you just enable xmp, not some wtf Cl14 setting.Thanks
12600k my first build is just find for me until 14th gen
Still waiting 13700k review
i now understand that E cores are simply P cores that do no perform as good as P cores and Intel found a way to sell them to you anyways but the DDR 4 benchmarks will show fast ddr 4 will perform close to slow ddr 5 but I am very happy with my I3 12100 with 16 gig ddr 5 4800 and a RX6600 as it runs everything on a 1440p 144hz 32: curved monitor with ease
13600k actually competes with 7700x. the 7600x is not in the same league, 7600x should compete with 13400 when it comes out
Lol. The 7600x is outperform in gaming the 13600k. Not sure how this benchmarks been made but anywhere else the 7600x outperform it. The 7700x outperform even the 13700k.
It’s all about the pricing.
@@johnerikson2443 yeah all about price them amd the way to go. Way would u build a dead intel platform ? Next generation will be a new socket again…
Want to twist things so AMD can look better ,, pathetic
@@gergelykiss1142 Can you provide a video for this? Where does the 7600x outperforms the 13600k? Most PC youtbers claim that the 13600k is the superior one.
13600k are 12600k but with more cores and clocks,cache only!!
11 tiger lake
12 alder lake
13 raptor lake
14 moeter lake
15 arrow lake
16 lunar lake
17 nova lake
why not a single comment of how the 5800X3D performed so well compared to the 7000 and 13600 on topic in gaming. What was the system spec on the ddr4 ram? Curious.
Because if everyone suddenly realizes that CPU's became irrelevant for non 1080p gaming post Ryzen 3000 series then all of these youtubers would loose more affiliate link sales.
@@evrythingis1 Funniest thing is,in gaming scenarios where the new CPUs actually make a difference like Simulators and Emulation of console exclusives they dont bother even testing them.
Fully covered here www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/luke-hill/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-review-worth-the-cache/
@@evrythingis1 kitguru dont do affiliate sales links, it why I like this channel
@@KitGuruTech Can I assume that the ram used in the above video upload used this ram from the linked test above for the 5800X3D still to keep consistency?
32GB (2x16GB dual-rank) Corsair Vengeance LPX 3600MHz 16-18-18-36 DDR4 @ 1.35V.
The i5 is the new i7.
I really dont see the point of letting the i5 13600k with a 150-160w power draw. With better tunning Im sure you can do pretty well with 115w max.
why stop there? I need to see performance at 114.3w or 109.5w :))
Why nobody is reviewing the 13700k?
Intel sends out samples of the i9 and i5 first and then follows up with i7. It is frustrating for us all.
The king is dead, long live the King!
Can you review the i7-13700K?
Leo will get around to that one as soon as he can ! thanks, Allan
Would this be a good gaming CPU for a 4080?
Let's be honest. The 4080 will not release until Ampere stock is sold and that is assumed to be end of the year or even next. By that time AMD will be coming with 3d CPUs and Intel will be preparing for Meteor Lake. If you are waiting for 4080 you might as well wait for CPU.
I just buyed an 5800x3d and rog strix b550 motherboard, should i return them to buy this 13600k procesor and b660 strix motherboard ? 🎉
You have the graphs in front of you and presumably read about the 3D before you placed your order. It is a fine gaming CPU and definitely has to be assessed on its own terms
Leo
To have a noticeable improvement (5-8%) with the 13th gen you need to get DDR5, with DDR4 the 5800X3D and the 13600K are tie for gaming, in some cases the 5800X3D is even more powerful.
Ok that’s a more sensible price - the i9 just pricing is just exaggerated and doesn’t seem worth it.
there is a huge discrepancy in temperatures between your test and hAMDware Unboxed. They claim it straigh on thermal throttles reaching 100c under a 360mm AIO...pathetic attempt to produce a "win" for AMD....
You might want to watch the following minute in that HUB video as it is clear the default MSI power profile abuses the CPU while manual settings drop their temp to mid-80s. Having said that the Corsair H150i works very well and the figure we saw were all good
Leo
and people were mad when I told them HUB is a pro-AMD channel and can't review things as impartially as possible.
What would you recommend between i3600k and 13700k ?
Right now 13600k if you care about budget,in 6 months the 13700k will drop to 380$ which will make it a better buy.
@@Kevin-fl7mj budget isn't a constraint for me. All I'm worried is about the thermal output from 13th gen processors. The max turbo output is 253watts and real world they are catching up 300 watts. Which is insane.
@@chandrasekhar918 if budget isn't an issue, get a 360 or 420mm liquid cooler.
@@chandrasekhar918 As Darude said,get a big case with a 420mm AIO or hell even custom loop if you want,with great power comes great responsibility!
7700x is the king under $400 then you put a 3d cache chip there keeping the same motherboard and ram compatible with pcie5 for future proof... aside ot is more power efficient... I am following thatbpath, I just got rid of my 12900k and I couldn't be much happier with the 7700x... set the curve optimizer and temps stayed in the 50°C
I sold off all my useless AM4 and went to THE best ,,,,, stocked up on 13600k's
@@tilapiadave3234 best? In performance for just a bit. In 5 second will be obsolete and then what?
@@Games_and_Tech best ,,, and best is always a moving target ,,,, the BEST now is the fact AMD and Intel are battling and customers are getting VALUE
Intel catching some massive W’s this time around great CPU options and after AMD boasting clock speeds they get overtaken by a intel clock speed world record 😂 gotta enjoy that competition
Only 2000 single core performance in cinebench? Thats odd I got 2047 on a 12th gen i3.
Which suggests your CPU is running at 5.3GHz single core
@@KitGuruTech how do you know lol, but yes it is😎. (Still needs a bit better cooling but that should be arriving today).
It also gets the same multicore speed as a 5600x but with just 4 cores it's pretty impressive for a 4 core chip really.
@@KitGuruTech do you recon a i5 12490f would be a good upgrade? Like not for now I think but later.
But I didn’t particularly think the 12600k was good.
I don’t get why Intel have turned off AVX-512 on these but AMD have it in the new Ryzen even though Intel invented it...
Not sure - there have been suggestions the E-cores won't do AVX-512 so the feature was disabled entirely
Leo
AMD is going to have to lower their prices. They also want at least $100 more for the MB.
You didn't test it properly. In fact, i7 8700k with proper cooling is 30% faster than i5 13600K.
no.
Nonsense.
8:31 9:15 10:44
13600K even beats 5800X3D
13600K can beat 5800X3D with DDR5. With DDR4, it loses to the 5800X3D. Watch the HUB review.
And 7800X3D will beat 13900K, Meteor Lake will beat 7800X3D, AM6 will beat Meteor Lake, It's called progress..
I'm guessing only gamers buy computer hardware. I feel so lonely, the only person in the world who uses computers for work. Of course, frames per second is the only thing that really matters.
what work you do?
@@ionelroza Software development - AI, ML. I'm interested in CPUs and graphics cards for deep learning applications, not frame rates. Processing power matters to me. You?