Does Christianity Oppress Women?
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- Опубликовано: 17 авг 2023
- The conversation “Should We Be Spiritual or Religious?” from Courageous Conversations 2022.
Panelists: Dr. Dominique Robinson, Dr. Sarita Lyons, Dr. Natasha Sistrunk Robinson, and Dr. Gabby Wilkes
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read the Bible women have NOT been held captive, Titus 2:5, 1st Corinthians 14:34-35, Paul was writing for all times not just Corinthians and Ephesus 😂, read the Bible and stop listening to podcast of rebellion.
The question is did Eve oppress or disrespect God, by listening to satan over God and Adam.
God's Order Is For You To Follow Not Lead
Dr Lyons is a queen for real. She brought the unadulterated word. She was also super nice about the Beyoncé question. I would’ve straight up said CUT IT OFF. If you put it before God, it’s an idol. If you love it more than God or godly things, it’s an idol.
That sister in the multicolored top is in the word for real!
Yes she is!
Yes the only one speaking bible! Respect!
she goes to dr eric mason's church in philly. I'd love to visit there. I hear so many good things about what they're doing.
In a conversation about oppressing women , you were too lazy to learn her name?😐 she, i believe is Dr. Sarita Lyons!!! She is as much of a theologian as she is a clinical counselor. She deserves respect
This was so good until Beyoncé was defended. Sigh. Invalidates many points previously stated. Can’t take such theologians seriously.
Edit:
The Sister in the multicoloured gave a beautiful and needed response. Thank you for speaking the truth.
And Beyonce is not a Christian woman.She might be a church member but we all know that means not much. Her husband is anti-Christ. Her persona is anti-|Christ and her concerts are basically seances/initiations. And she clearly stated that she was using the Bible as a tampon. What are we defending here?I'm so saddened by this deception , lack of discernment and misuse of a such important spiritual platforms.
This entire conversation was very good, educational and polite. I loved the fact that everyone was intellectually sound. The point that stood out the greatest after watching this for over an hour was: The Word still works and Holiness is still right… Thank you Dr. Lyons.
My mentor that attended Duke University in the 70's warned me that every body that attends seminary isn't there because they are saved. Please know that just because someone says he or she went to seminary does not mean that they believe the word of God as the authority.
❤😢 Truth
Speaking as someone who went to seminary, I believe your mentor was 100% correct. In fact, one of my classmates identified as an atheist Unitarian Universalist. Personally, I went to learn more and found out these churches are hiring pastors with some very wild, very unbiblical hermeneutics.
such a good point.
also, i went to duke. whoop, whoop!
We usually assume they are. Some of this information was hogwash. Sarita consistently rightfully divides the word of truth
Indeed I read the bible and understand that it’s mostly allegorical but I’m not a Christian I follow the teachings of Christ but I don’t worship him at all he a messenger or prophet to me. Nobody special the universe is the creator/god in my opinion and experience in this life
I am saddened. I was holding the conversations of these ladies as God led and empowering, but the last hour has just went up in flames at the conversation of the Ladies comments on Beyoncé. God will NEVER use or need the world to represent Him. As children of the kingdom, there needs to be a difference, Beyoncé offers freedom through the world, God offers freedom through His WORD and Holiness. She does not represent the God of creation who gave HIS life for my eternal salvation. Choose a side, holiness or hell
The lady with the colorful jacket spoke facts tho. Holiness is still right!
Preach!!
Dr. Lyons didn't come to play!!! I loved that her words were founded in studying the WORD
Dr Sarita Lyon was needed on this panel 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 She didn’t have to go outside of the Bible to make her points !
God can speak through sources beyond the bible. We just have to use discernment. The bible is not prescriptive on all issues that affect the modern world. It's possible to take principles and precepts from scripture, observe where this is reflected elsewhere and also benefit from that wisdom. It's unhealthy to automatically be wary of ideas just because it's not a direct quote from scripture. Referencing some earlier comments by a couple of panel members, I do also think we need to stop romanticising the levels of equality on the African continent prior to slavery and colonisation. Patriarchy was alive and well and didn't need Europeans to 'introduce' it into our context. Whilst there were contexts where female leadership was normative in pre-colonial Africa, it wasn't universal. You don't have to go far into historical research to discover that. The world is fallen and so patriarchy and other oppressive hierarchical systems isn't the preserve of one geographical location. It's pervasive. That's why part of our ministry of reconciliation and restoration is overturning this wherever we see it. Otherwise, I'm really glad that these conversations are happening and within the context of Jude 3 Project.
@@AcousticUplift Absolutely. I don’t have a problem with extra-biblical sources of truth as long as they’re true, I would agree that that would be a weird take and that wasn’t the point of my post. I do have a problem with extra-biblical “truth” that clearly contradict the Bible though, particularly in fundamental teachings that Jesus himself taught. We need to be able to discern truth from error and the Bible shines in that area. Edit: patriarchy is not actually promoted by the Bible, even though misogynists of every age have tried to use the Bible to justify it.
agreed. it's great to hear other sources but these need to line up with scripture otherwise we run the risk of 'remixing' the Word!@@missmytime
Please keep bringing dr sarita back. She’s solid.
So this is how I interpret the last comment of the video… “who cares what the Bible say about women preachers.. I’m one and you can do it too and who cares what the Bible says”!
You guys constantly have great topics! bless ya's!
1:07:33 The Word still works and Holiness is still RIGHT.. 👋🏽🎤
His thoughts are not our thoughts, his ways are not our way. Once we understand this we can move on to love and believing God
I love this topic❤thank you 🙏🏾 Asé
I’m thankful for Dr. Sarita Lyons. She stays faithful to God and His Word.
This is a good dialogue about issues that have been problematic for ages. Christianity is liberating. People oppress behind the external image of Christianity.
Christianity is liberating for those who use it to liberate. And Christianity is oppressive for those who use it to oppress. But nothing liberating about creating a mythology to put women in the back seat
This was a very enlightening conversation. I've got to watch more of these videos.
With all honesty and respect I would like for these conversations to be less bias. Everyone on panel agrees with each other for the most part therefore no matter what extra insight they give they all answer the same way. Next I would love to have seen men up there as well as de-converted people. Since this conversation is presented as open-minded and as approaching tough issues That would typically be gaslighted in church or with religious leaders. since this it not just a woman issue but a religious doctrine issue men should have been included. Next why are the speakers always trying to fix the way questions are presented, or the perspective of a person's question rather then accept the person isn't struggling nor wrong for why they question and come to conclusions opposite of christian leadership and influence.
@@user-rf8gk7ir4f Everyone's point of view is not always needed in every conversation. Sometimes, there are conversations that feature a certain group because the point of the conversation is to get a specific point of view that is often overlooked. Why have men on a panel about women's experiences with their church and religion?
That's what this conversation was about: how do women feel about their experiences in the Christian church. I agree that we need to have a broader discussion but this wasn't the time for it.
If you really listened to this conversation, you'd hear various women, from different backgrounds, that have similar experiences. I think that means something.
It sounds like you don't like what their experiences point towards: a religion that outright vilifies women as jezebels and succubi.
@@thebestofvoices I understand what your saying it's just that the usual response from most people who are into the church claims just that "now is not the time to discuss all that " as if we can't focus on multiple subjects.
They lost it at Beyoncé. Just say you’re a Beyoncé fan and keep moving.
agreed. The hold that Beyonce has on Black Christian women is disturbing.
Your "Conversations" NEVER disappoint!
Great dialogue! I’ve been blessed to be apart of a church body and leader who demonstrates accountability and healthy checks of everyone, especially men in our church! Grace Family Church, Ontario CA Pastor Kenyon Healey! ❤
This panel just validated that the modern Christian woman's religion is Feminism. These women are fighting for Feminism, power & self deification not for the will of God according to the Scriptures. The title should be changed to "Feminist Interpretations of the Bible".
It’s quite amusing cause they really think they are out here saying something when ppl with discernment can see right thru them. It’s concerning but they are supposed to be leaders
We honestly needed Dr Lyons on this panel. I think too many times Christian’s try to balance salvation and relevancy to the world and I think it’s a very dangerous game. One that will find us saying if Beyonce helps you figure out who you are in God then it’s fine 😮 uhm no. No it’s not. “The Word still works and holiness is still right”
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This was powerful!
Feminism vs Christianity should be the title. These women sound a little crazy
You’re right
I agree this panel is promoting feminism not Godly women.
Thank GOD for Dr.Lyons !!! She is the only one that flowed through and lead with scripture. Dr. Robinson and Dr. Wilkes would be the last women I’d go to for biblical counsel
❤ i had difficulties watching because most answers were s mini sermon in other words too long and playinginto audience reaction instead providing a scholarly response. I could continue but I don't want to bash the panelists. I love Jude 3 Project!
You had difficulty because all they did was have sermons but didn’t answer any questions directly
I remember in m younger days a!ttending church . I grew weary in sitting listening to the same message around money tithes and offering
And asked when do we go into the neighborhood and help. The same thing the Dr said . The Pastor ignored my efforts.
Left .that church . And every church I sought after was about the building the people and the pastor. They clapped for God . But loved the building and the pastor .
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Black people need to realize that we really don’t have time for this foolishness. We waste so much time trying to figure out the confusion of the delusion, but we have so much work to do in reality.
Grace and Peace to you. Would you like to be included in our Theology Group chat on a different platform for further discussion?
The group an assortment of people with various theological beliefs and backgrounds. What we all have in common is a desire to discuss the bible, religion and Christianity. It's a good opportunity to witness to non-believers and fellowship with believers.
People just want to something to complain or talk about. Choose a different religion - like Islam. Make your own religion, like Kwanzaa. This is a ridiculous conversation. I'm so exhausted with us, especially black women.
@@victoriahardin1560you commented the same thing multiple times. Nobody brought up race or gender but you. It’s obvious who the fake Christian is, and it’s not them. It’s you
We didn’t ask about Kanye because men don’t have to be “good” to be considered Godly
The person who asked the Beyonce question is the church troublemaker. It had nothing to do with the topic.
That question was on point because it exposed alot!!
Maybe. But, if we can’t answer that , it’s a problem.
Great discussion! And yes, there are men who see women as equal in the body of Christ!
Kimberly D. Russaw
Valerie Bridgeman
Angela N. Parker
Mitzi J. Smith
Raquel St. Clair Lettsome
Wilda C. Gaphney
Missing two of the ladies mentioned.
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I also want to add that 3 of my sista's were all the way wrong on the topic/question of Beyonce. That was incredibly disappointing. I don't understand how they missed that so epically but I do recognize to someone's point - blind spot!!
Thank you so much for putting the names of these women in the comments, I was trying to write them down, but I was missing some names 😅
Yes 👋👋👋👋👋👍
Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good,or whether it be evil.
Our duty as men and women are to keep the commandments of God. It is simple, whatever the Bible says, we follow.
She was preaching @ 35 minutes . Didn't catch her name . The clinician Dr
Dr. Robinson made the following statement out of Ephesian 5 submit unto each other out mutuality. Then she restates her view of verse 21 husband and wives submit to each other as unto the Lord. Now let's look at the verse. KJV - 21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God. NIV - 21 Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. NASB - 21 and subject yourselves to one another in the fear of Christ.
Then Dr. Robinson uses the example of her husband staying home with our daughter as if under God's commands for a parent does not apply to the husband as it relates to their daughter. What's wrong with that picture? God specifically laid out His requirements as it relates to husband and wife and it had nothing to do with leadership in worldly thoughts. As a matter of Truth, it had nothing to do with anything other than God understanding His creation and what was needed for the two to become one. For the man, God saw the man needed to love God's creation of woman just as He loves His church which is all of God's children and gave His life for her. Why didn't God give the same command to the woman? Why respect? Why submit? Was He speaking about leadership within the household? Dr. Robinson seems to think so. She said that she leads in somethings and her husband leads in other things. That has nothing to do with Ephesian 5! Warning look at these verses before verse 21. 15 Be very careful, then, how you live-not as unwise but as wise, 16 making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil. 17 Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord’s will is.
What is the Lord's will for husband verses wives: 22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing[b] her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church- 30 for we are members of his body. 31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”[c] 32 This is a profound mystery-but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.
Where do you get leadership out of these verses? Look at why God instructed the husband to love his wife as God loves the church beginning at verse 26! To make her holy, to cleanse her through the Word and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless!
God gave wives two commands in this dialogue. Verses 22-24 and 33. Submit in everything and respect. Why? God's order of things and His understanding of His creation in the woman. It's easy for a woman to love, but it ain't easy for a woman to submit and respect. Nowadays it's hard for anyone to respect. That is why the thought of respect has brought about so many killings and beatings because of how we have been trained to think and act on the word respect.
I came here to do this, but you knocked it out of the park. Thank you for your diligence.
The Holy Spirit is key to reading the word of God. Deliverance is key if struggling with hermeneutics.
I thought because I saw a video of Thabiti Anyabwile on this page, it would be a solid channel to subscribe to, but its clear these woman are more influenced by feminism and culture than they are the word of God
Why Beyoncé is the first thing the audience wanted to discuss in a conversation about women’s issues in Christianity is beyond me… y’all are obsessed with her when y’all should be obsessed with God.
Seems like some of the panel was "obsessed" as well. And with her being an idol to many black women, it created a visceral reaction. Such reactions create great dialogue. This is why the moderator may have chose this question amongst so many others that were curated.
It is so sad to here Dr, and not knowing there spiritual calling, and clearly, most of the woman, didn’t pay any attention to Jude 1:3-4
Thank you! It is a privilege and a blessing to have been gifted with the opportunity to listen to a 'group' of simply 'brilliant' grown Black women.
the 1st lady that spoke was in her bag!
They envy Beyoncé’s freedom? 😂 cmon man let’s talk about the content of her music, the rituals, the video content, the support she gives to the alphabet crew. Stop it.
Stay focused we’re speaking about freedom within the body of CHRIST JESUS, nothing concerning her is GOD centered, in fact quite the opposite
Beyoncé is an entertainer my friend, entertaining is her career!! She doesn’t owe Christians anything!! Christians need to check the guys behind those pulpits who have been lying about the tithe for years!!😂
Well the women on stage were exposed and can't be trusted to lead because there's noway they can lead being luke warm. That question was important
I agree.
@@chill5630what happened with them
I have never seen this in the churches I have been in.: they have always worked in the churches
What I cannot understand is that European Christianity, the version that was forced on enslaved people through Colonialism, does that to every indigenous culture it was forced on. The naturally indigenous people of the planet could no longer have their culture and spirituality. In fact, under the tenets of Christianity, these people were not human and were only fit to be slaves of the European. Now the Pope actually stated that in a Papal Bull.
Spirituality is innate in all life. Religion is a physical man's attempt to describe the infinite conciousness experienced through Spirituality. And the problem with religion, is that man is trying to put lower human emotions, behavior and mental ideas on the Infinite Consciousness that everything and everyone automatically experiences before physical incarnation. I told my parents about activities they were involved in before I was born. How can the limited mind of a church man explain that. His knowledge only comes from a book that certain men have decided is real for their church. Yet, the love and knowledge of the Almighty has no limits. That's because the Love of the Almighty is Infinite conciousness and has no limits. The human and their materialistic-based system wants to control how people experience the Infinite Consciousness of the Almighty. This is foolishness. Before there was the Universe, it was, before there was Earth, it was and before there was religion, it was. And you have always been connected and existing in it. It dosen't know evil or sin. You have been given a false identity based on false teachings.
The Bible is an incredible book!! Throw the whole thing away!! It has been tampered with too many times. The spirit is all that we got!!
False
@@moet131 Says the person who believes that Jesus was a white man with blonde hair and blue eyes😂😂😂
@DON8691 Oh I didn't realize we knew each other & I really didn't know that you knew what I believe. That's interesting
At 1:23 she knocked it out the park, the lady before sounds non biblical
Notice they all single and will be until Jesus comes back…
You sound like a fool. Dr lyons is married and has been for years
1 Cor. 7 | To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single…as I am.
Should a woman feel “shame” to serve and honor God because of her single or married status?
Does Christianity Oppress Men
Use wisdom with this panel.
Matthew 7
True and False Disciples
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
I always find it interesting when women talk about women issues they always seem to bring up men anytime they can. When men talk about men issues. Men hardly bring up women. It’s a wild observation. Just totally stray away front the topic
Lie more
@@ReneeDeane no lie told
This panel is promoting feminism not Godly women sincerely desiring to serve him. How does the songs videos and concerts of Beyonce please God.!!! 😔
Sounds like all of them have a problem with what the Word of God says. They've made up their own god, which is by definition idolatry.
Bible god is made up as well
And not a scripture was quoted...
And you didn’t watch
Why are we using “pronouns “ as Christian’s? That’s why the first comment is to love God with all your heart. When this is done- the world and its education can not become an idol.
She loss me at "When I preach".. 1 Timothy 2:12-14.. The Bible doesn't have a branding problem, humanity has an obedience problem. His Word isn't oppressive, his Word is sovereign and true. God gave us roles as men and women. Stop looking at the 🌎 and look at Christ.
lol
@IcedCoffeeandChaplaincy Paul is only saying that to that church? You can't be serious? If you want to use that type of logic then you can say that about almost all the letters to the churches in the New Testament!!! "Husbands love your wives even as Christ loved the church".. Well since Paul was writing to the church of Ephesus that's not meant for us, that's only meant for the church of Ephesus! No! It doesn't work that way.. Also Paul wrote that letter to Timothy, instructing him in God's order for the church.
Well…You lost me as well when you seemed to suggest that “when I preach” is a problem. When Jesus said PREACH the gospel to all people was he only referring to males? Or was he talking to all believers? Was Phoebe in sin? Was Priscilla in sin? Was Euodia in sin? Was Syntyche in sin? Was Junia in sin? Was Mary in sin for OBEYING JESUS by going to preach the good news of his resurrection to his brethren like he told her to? Was JESUS in sin for telling a woman to go and preach, especially to men? Why couldn’t he be obedient to the Word of God (aka Himself) and find a man to do it?
@missmytime Please give chapter and verse where Jesus tells a woman to go "preach".. Preaching is more than relaying a message. No one can seem to explain 1 Timothy 2:12-14 it's clear instruction on this topic! Let's stop assuming meanings and deal with the text. Oh and it's not Paul speaking by the way, it's the Holy Ghost speaking through Paul which means it's God! There are no separate rules for certain churches. His commands are for all. None of those women you mentioned "Preach"! Show me where they did? Everyone that tells someone Jesus rose isn't a preacher. That's another problem. The church has lowered the standards for what it means to be a preacher that people think that's all it means. Being a preacher comes with so many responsibilities and requirements.
@@shoptalkconvo-mak1471 Soooo what do you think PREACH means? So according to YOUR version of the Bible written by YOUR God, when he said “Go into all the world and PREACH the gospel to every creature”, he had an invisible extra clause in there that said “but if you’re a woman, don’t listen to that gospel, because according to that same gospel, when the word is preached to you, you’re suppposed to go PREACH it to someone else. And we know you’re not supposed to do that, of course, bcos you’re just a woman.” Gotcha 🙄
The Bible say “your gifts will make room for you”. No can oppress you, unless you let them. There’s power without being the Pastor or Preacher. We are all Disciples, we need to be Disciple makers for the Kingdom of God. Amen Sister, all scripture is given by the power of God. The women were silenced because they were not educated. Liberation should come from God. Edutainment speaker is right on! Discernment! The devil still roaming .
Amen! Titus 2 Woman. I am one, and teach it! Holiness - Set apart
for the Kingdom of God. 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
they were not educated.
Well according to your bible god it was him who allowed his own people the Israelites to be oppressed and enslaved by the white man Deuteronomy
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That word spoken about Beyoncé had those other ladies on the panel very uncomfortable, lol. That moment alone speaks volumes in regards to why women aren’t permitted to have authority over men in the church.
That doesn’t make sense. Your own statement proves that not all women agree with those other ladies. They don’t represent all of us.
@@missmytime Yeah, I get that, but, I would think that the women who aren’t represented by those ladies would have no problem NOT being in leadership positions. They wouldn’t even be advocating for it. From what I heard, she was the lone voice of reason up there, but her reasoning still doesn’t justify women being leaders in the church.
@@ALTheFreeMan Well, because that’s a different issue from Beyonce. women CAN be leaders in the church. In the time of Paul, the early church had both male AND female leaders, because it’s not an issue. The Constantinpolean church made it an issue in the West. Misogyny and racism in the church are like cousins; both have been justified with copious scripture, but that doesn’t make it right.
Why are we lookin at books with talkin animals to see if women can be leaders anywhere. Why we just cant look and see what nature say. The first teachers that we all had was a woman. Nature says women are the first teachers.. But the same man who tellin you that donkeys talk is tellin you that women cant teach or lead. That is delusional. I feel like the entity that created motherhood is much more powerful than the entity thats tells us about talkin animals.
A healthy women can have leadership anywhere she is qualified to lead. The only way man can take power from women to to create a silly story about a woman coming from the rib of a sleepin man and then havin a verbal conversation with a talkin snake. Bad mythology will ALWAYS take you away from what truly sustains you.
@@missmytime When I say “leadership”, I’m referencing women having authority over men in the church, and the Bible speaks specifically to that. In fact, it’s the same author (Paul) whom Christians love to quote when we’re talking about “grace” and no longer being “under the law”. The Bible also states that bishops are supposed to be men with one wife, and that women are to be silent in church. I’m definitely not a misogynist, I’m just quoting scripture, lol. And women who have issues with it should take it up with God. If the Bible said men need to be quiet and let women run things, then I would do just that. I just try to take the Bible for what it says and call it day.🤷🏽♂️
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A panel of women who have no understanding of God's order in the church and in creation 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
You didn’t watch. Dr lyons absolutely did
@@Bnizzofashizzo Women can operate in the church under the authority of the Pastor which is designated only for Men according to scripture "if any MAN desires the office of overseer HE must be the husband of one wife" God put this in place it's his order PERIOD the word is the final authority and is not based on how a person feels about it
Why are you all just running around the text and just accept that none of you behave, belief, or practice like the mother of your God? None of you really understand exactly what it means to be a woman in obedience to God.
Well enlighten us then?
Grace and Peace to you. Would you like to be included in our Theology Group chat on a different platform for further discussion?
The group an assortment of people with various theological beliefs and backgrounds. What we all have in common is a desire to discuss the bible, religion and Christianity. It's a good opportunity to witness to non-believers and fellowship with believers.
With all honesty and respect I would like for these conversations to be less bias. Everyone on panel agrees with each other for the most part therefore no matter what extra insight they give they all answer the same way. Next I would love to have seen men up there as well as de-converted people. Since this conversation is presented as open-minded and as approaching tough issues That would typically be gaslighted in church or with religious leaders. since this it not just a woman issue but a religious doctrine issue men should have been included. Next why are the speakers always trying to fix the way questions are presented, or the perspective of a person's question rather then accept the person isn't struggling nor wrong for why they question and come to conclusions opposite of christian leadership and influence.
That would be like saying we ought to have white slaveowners to balance out a panel with black slaves discussing whether Christianity supports their slavery.
@@missmytimeLOL LOL
The only speaker on the panel I could take seriously as someone who respects the word of God and men. Is the sister to the far left, Dr Lyons. The other 3 are Christian feminist. Whose concepts are bad for the church and the black community.
That’s a weird doctrinal statement: “respecting the word of God and men”. That almost sounds like the ideology of God > Man > Woman which is “Christian” misogyny, an ideology which is even worse for the church and the black community. I’m pretty sure Dr Lyons doesn’t subscribe to such a doctrine either. Women are not below men, God has made us one in Christ Jesus according to scripture.
She impressed me to no end.
The FINAL authority is the word who God is the author of and in HIS word there is an order of creation which is the Godhead,Jesus,Angels,Man,and Woman that is HIS order of creation the reason why he created women were to help men because God put them in charge his order works period women need to be careful with what they think and feel bringing in the world's feminist view into the church mixing the sacred and the profane which Jesus says he hates in Revelation Satan told Eve she could be more than what God created her to be and women today are being told the same thing so that tells you where this is coming from🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
That is not true at all
@@whatshatnin4572 According to who? That is scripture
@@JKat1990 According to reality. Reality says that the bible is the word of man. The bible is copywritten. Anything outside of that is just a belief. Nothing more!!
You referred to the creator as he. Who told you that the creator of the moon was a male? Did you read that in a book written by man or did the creator tell you that it was a male? When you look at the moon, what about the moon says that it was created by a male? Nothing. Its just man talkin.
There is no evidence of Adam and Eve's existence. They are considered to be mythological characters.
The only way you can know about a woman being created from a rib of a man is if man tells you that story. But man coming through the womb of a woman is universal law. None of us ever needed a man to introduce that information to us. That is the authority. Man telling us that a woman came from a man is man's mythology and the only way to get that information is to go through man.. But man coming from the womb of a woman is universal and does not rely on the words of man. No man had to introduce this natural law to us.. Therefore the natural law is the authority over man's mythology. The entity that introduce you to natural law is much more powerful than the human entity that introduced you to the mythologies of man.
Now if you want to operate in a state of delusion with talkin donkeys and all then whatever you say is correct but if you are dealing with facts and history, man's mythologies will never be the authority over natural law. Reindeer walking will always have authority over flying reindeer.
Eve was deceived while Adam willfully sinned.
It should be called heretical conversations lol
All of those women except Dr. Lyons were not rightly dividing word of truth. They don't believe that the Bible is the final authority. The Bible is the inspired word of G0d. 2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for [a]instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.God give man the role of headship. Bottom line. The issue is sinfulness. The lady that brought up the Samaritan, missed what Jesus was doing in this encounter with the Samaritan woman: This is connected to salvation coming to the Jews first. Some of Samaritans where from descendants of the House of Israel. After King Solomon's rule the the nation was split into to Southern and Northern kingdom of Israel. Samaria being being the Northern Kingdom, 2 Ki 17:1-6) . Later those Jews began to intermarriage with non-Jews. Eventually tension between the Jewish from the Southern Kingdom and the Northern Kingdom occurred. The Southern Kingdom worshipped God in Jerusalem , Gen 12:6,7)and the Northern Kingdom worshipped God at Mt. Gerizim, (Dt 11:29,30). This encounter was about Jesus bringing his redemption ( salvation) to the Northern Kingdom as well as the Southern Kingdom, (John 4:22). Jesus pointed her to true worship not location, (John 4:19:22). This Sister said that the Samaritan woman was a theologian, not so; however, if one want to subscribe to that conclusion, it cannot be missed that the Samaritan did not recognize the savior, and Jesus corrected her theology regarding him, just as he did to Nicodemus, (John 3). Yes, the woman was saved, and she did share her testimony; however, none of that makes her a pastor. Jesus also did address the issue of Those women on the panel with exception of Sister Lyons brought their experiences to the text and they disregard the authority of scripture and the creator of scripture. The other sister mention women disciples, yes there were other women and men disciples, just as any believer who is in Christ man or women is a disciple of Christ; however, Jesus handpicked the 12 and Paul to build his church(Apostles), and they then discipled others, this is bible 101. Jesus did not handpick women disciples for that assignment. Jesus is the main person of this text that we should largely lay focus on. How is he revealing himself while showing redemptive love to this woman. What does he want her to know about him is the same thing he wants us to know about him. Yes, ancient book that will last forever, 1 Peter 1:22-25 22 Since you have in obedience to the truth purified your souls for a [t]sincere love of the brethren, fervently love one another from the heart, 23 for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God. 24 For,“All flesh is like grass,And all its glory like the flower of grass.The grass withers,And the flower falls off,25 But the word of the Lord endures forever.”And this is the word which was preached to you. The Bible was for that time and this time every period that God will allow to exist until the Living Word returns. Please excuse any grammatical and/or spelling errors.
A woman could only be given the authority by God
to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah.
Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually.
She was a pastor, according to the scriptures.
This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles.
Thanks for the mention of Deborah. While I am aware of her, it caused me to go back and study the word. Deborah was both a judge and a prophet; however, not ever judge and prophet was a priest. Judges were the legal voices for the people and would guide the laws and ways of practical living, most judges engage in war; however, Deborah did not engage and war. Prophets were the interpreters of culture and community and taught people how to best live their lives. Go back in read the book of numbers where God instructs Moses who was both judge and prophet to select the Levites as to be the priest; Arron to was a priest. You mentioned Chronicles to give evidence that all judges were priest; however, I don't see that mention in that book. I do however, see that in 2 Chronicles 15:3 that there were no judges; for a time. There is no doubt that God used women as judges, prophetess, deacons, teachers, and evangelist but not as pastors. There is no evidence of this. Priscilla and her husband did support the church and they both help
Paul doctrine regarding baptism. However, the word does not ever show her teaching or preaching in the temple or in one of the home church to a group of men or women. Folks have only assumed that she did. We should not read into the text what we want it to say. We are later shown through Titus 2 who women can teach and 1 Corinthians 11; 1 Corinthians 14:34; , Women can pray. Also, evangelism is witnessing not pastoring. Women are leaders in the eyes of God and varies roles, just not as the pastor and in her marriage. She may lead her kids or women, but not men in temple worship. We must not confused ability with God's will. Yes, man or woman may be better then the other in some address, it;s not about that, it is simply
God's order. A CEO of a company has the final say but delegates to able men and women, thus in the marriage God ordain man to lead and yes delegate to his capable wife. We are equal , God show no impartiality, but he gives us different roles. Same in the temple, place of worship, man is the Shepard and he delegates. All people should be respected. There so many areas that women can lead, just lead God's way and in his order. I would love to discuss this with you further," Iron sharping Iron". Maybe we could email or Zoom. I maybe missing something. This is topic that is plaguing our church and I believe we should be sensitive with each other as we try to learn and be obedient to God. Thank you for replying it caused me to pray and dig deeper into God's word. Please excuse any grammatical or spelling errors@@user-iz8np3vv4i
@@go28 My essay can be posted if you have
15 minutes to read it.
Until then there is this:
Complementarianism
That false and confusing teaching, that states Christian women are less than
Christian men in a spiritual way, but they really aren't, but they really are.
The complementarian teaching prohibits a Christian woman from holding
certain positions in a church. They can't be elders neither can
they teach men. So why is that?
The false teaching makes it clear that the priesthood of the New Covenant
is tiered. There is a hierarchy. Those that are higher, the men, can be in
leadership positions, like elder. They can teach other men. Those in the
lower tier can not be in leadership positions, like elder. They are prohibited
from teaching men, because the men are in the higher tier. It wouldn't make
any sense.
A new believer is automatically assigned their level, higher or lower,
at the moment of salvation, as a birthright. Their gender determines
their tier. A Christian can not move to a higher or lower tier.
A Christian that is in the lower tier (woman) is not allowed to
complain of the tier she was placed in. That would be sin, because
God made her a woman by His choice. She should accept and also
embrace her position in the lower tier.
A church, is either a group of Christian men or a group of Christian men and women.
A church can never be a group of Christian women, because it would be
a group of only those in the lower tier. It would have no elders.
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
-excerpt 1 Peter 2
Since the teaching states that women are spiritually inferior to men, but
they aren't, but they are, when did that start?
But I do not allow a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a wrongdoer.
-excerpt 1 Timothy 2
It started with the first woman. She was deceived, and sinned because of it. So we
have a teaching that accepts that men and women are fallen beings. Both genders
are sinful by nature. However women are different. They are lacking the ability
that men have to judge if some situation, some concept or teaching is sinful. This
inability was passed down from Eve to all women. It remains to this day. A woman
in our time was 'lacking' from birth, even from the womb.
So what can be done? Nothing according to Complementarianism. That is because
an anointing of that powerful masculine being called the Holy Spirit, is just not
sufficient. Even the Holy Spirit can not elevate even one Christian woman to the
spiritually superior level of a Christian man.
Your first statement starts off incorrectly:Complementarianism
That false and confusing teaching, that states Christian women are less than
Christian men in a spiritual way, but they really aren't, but they really are. This is a false statement. Also, you are interpreting 1 Peter incorrectly. He is speaking about holy living, not actually being a priest. I love to talk with you more about this. It is hard to discuss serious matters such as this one this way. I prefer taking time to walk through scripture. We can maybe do a bible study with other one on one and/or with others. I am open to doing that.@@user-iz8np3vv4i
@@go28
I don't do g-email or Zoom.
I have a hot mail account, but after several posts
at them tube most people are done with me or I
with them. You could be an exception, of course.
Any doctrine that is in opposition to what God
actually did must be a false doctrine.
The answer to all this isn't around 50 A.D. or so with
Paul's writings. It is about 1100 B.C. with God making
a woman a Judge over Israel. I can post the essay, but
at this point you seem to be someone that will ignore
what God did. I post on this matter every day. People
say Deborah wasn't a pastor/shepherd in the New
Covenant. Or she was an exception because the men
were very sinful then. Or whatever God did regarding her
is totally unimportant to us because of 15 or so sentences
written by Paul.
This entire platform is a sham!
Women and their freedom
your point is?
Well your bible say women shouldn’t not be preaching if you take everything in it literally
And they can be legally raped if the rapist got a couple bucks on him
True Christianity represents the cross ✝️ . Most Americans are not it seems "born again Christians ".if you have truly been born again. Your mind is not occupied with this subject of nonsense.
People just want to something to complain or talk about. Choose a different religion - like Islam. Make your own religion, like Kwanzaa. This is a ridiculous conversation. I'm so exhausted with us, especially black women.
The cross represents freedom for the captives. Women have been held captive for centuries by unchristlike theology. How is this not an important topic for the “born again”? That would be like saying a true Christian should not have been concerned with slavery in the 1800s. To the contrary, if you’re a true Christian how can you NOT be concerned with these things?
@@missmytimeThe cross doesn't represent freedom for anyone in the true essence of what it was, which was a executionary method. A lot of Christians glorify the cross which is idolatry according to the scripts.
@@keepitahunnid7133 Hmm. You think the cross “doesn’t represent freedom for anyone”? That’s actually the exact opposite of what scripture teaches.
@@missmytime Yes, I think it represents true freedom for some people (symbolically) but in the true essence of what it was used for, no. Execution (🚫)does not represent freedom.Charismatic doctrine has idolized the cross. For instance, can you point out in scripture where it says that the cross represents freedom?
People just want to something to complain or talk about. Choose a different religion - like Islam. Make your own religion, like Kwanzaa. This is a ridiculous conversation. I'm so exhausted with us, especially black women.
Jesus never heard of Christianity. Its a 600 year old term invented by the knights templars and poplurarized by king james translations.
Jesus was only messenger and referred to someone else the father as God.
The greek word Christos or Christinos mean to Chrystallize. There were no Christians in anchient Rome.
Anchient Rome did refer to a group of immigrants from Jerusalem, Bethlehem, Nazareth areas as Nazarenes or Nazaroens because they were assumed to be Jesus followers. These people did not worship Jesus as God and didnt call themselves Christian. Theres no hebrew version of the word as CH isnt in the alphabet.
Jesus never heard of the gospels either.. Jesus never dealt with Greek literature but the old testament was written in Greek.