National Courageous Conversations 2019: Preaching to Black Millennials with Dr. Charles Goodman, Dr. Bri Parker, Mike McClure, and Jackie Hill Perry. Moderated by Watson Jones
I loved Jackie Hill Perry’s approach.... Imma listen, & be slow to speak, but when I do it’s going to be substantial! ....& with few words! That girl is baaaaad!
When did Churchy become synonymous with inauthentic. If we take communion together, we should confess our sins one to another. It is tge very definition of a Covenant community.
i appreciate Jackie's example of humbly listening intently, then bringing the topic of discussion back to God when she received the opportunity to share.
I disagree that she was overlooked. You can tell she was very thoughtful about her answers. She listened more than she spoke. That’s worthy of admiration.
@@jvaz92 that’s exactly what i mean. she was thoughtful with her answers but they weren’t “sexy” enough to the audience or the other panelists, so her answers were overlooked and not seen as all that valuable compared to the other guests. at least that’s how i saw it. she was the most thoughtful one up there for sure
I don't think she was overlooked. I think she was strategic. You see every point she made hit home, even for the audience. Overall the panel blessed me!
Jackie has it!!! I appreciate having her on this panel. She is making it about God and the word and not us! Some love to hear themselves talk, some love to talk about HIM! Again thank you Jackie!
As a millennial, we just want authenticity. We grew up in churches that preached, “Do as I say, not as I do.” Sadly, we watched pastors cheat on their wives and leave their children, homosexual choir directors draw the largest crowds, musicians sleep with all the women, plus more.
Understood, but don’t let the preacher be the one you follow!! Follow the Lord God your Savior! Get the word into your heart so when you do hear something wack, you’ll reject it. It is true, there should be examples to emulate and learn from, but remember man will always let you down, God never will! Bless ya!!
What Jackie said was the most relevant!! Someone said it, God knows all and He is never outdated. We can be but He is not. He don't need to figure out how to reach the people, acknowledging God in all of their ways will lead them down that path. I also like Pastor Mike!
I feel like this became tone deaf towards the end. Just tell the truth. It's not rocket science. We teach waaaaay too much church culture instead of Christ. Buckle down on OBJECTIVE Apologetics, devoid of any particular political leanings or agendas
Fred Felton III are you sure about that? It seems like Jesus used parables over and over and over again.... what do you mean by “never preached or taught the same”?
Fred Felton III Firstly, if you agree that Jesus taught in parables on more than one occasion, then your original premise is wrong and that was my point. We can’t say that the Lord Jesus “never” preached or taught the same because we don’t know that he never repeated a sermon or parable. And of course, as we’ve already noted, He taught in parables more than one. That negates “never”. Secondly, Matthew 13:34 clearly indicates that Jesus’ approach (at least when preaching and teaching to the crowds) always involved parables. I’m not trying to be nit-picky, but I’m always concerned about over-stating a point, especially when it comes to scripture.
Fred Felton III LOL... if the Bible shows that, then please educate a brother. There’s no need to “agree to disagree” if you can show it to me in the Bible, sir. I gave you my reason BIBLICALLY for saying that Jesus used parables multiple times (Matthew chapter 13, v.34). Since you say “reading the Bible will show...”, please show.
Man just follow the Holy Spirit, have discernment, an stay on your face in prayer, stay true with God and yourself and be obedient, and submitted, get delivered from people.This will help all of these issues that came up in this conversation. From the leaders the ushers, the millennials on down to the elders in the church etc.
If that's all it is there is no need for discipleship. The Apostle Paul has no need to write to Timothy or Titus if they can just listen to the Spirit. GOD uses His people to do His work. Jesus walked with His disciples for 3 years. Being with someone day in and day out...everything is going to come up from who takes too long in the bathroom to who can stand mustard on their sandwich. These conversations, questions and concerns are reality which is why they are worth talking about lest the believers STRUGGLING with these exact questions never hear them addressed by leaders they can trust and hear from.
I just want the WORD. I JUST WANT THE BIBLE. That's it! No smoke and mirrors, no theatrics, no super long sermons rooted in feelings instead of Scriptures. I still watch and listen to Dr Charles Stanley, who most times had nothing but his Bible and a podium. There is so much Bible to be preached! The Word is alive. It pierces the heart (Luke) "piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and quick to discern the thoughts and intents of the heart" (Hebrews) . The Bible, JESUS is what the world needs. It's what millennials need, but it's what every generation in every corner of the planet needs.
So glad Jackie is up there bottom line it don’t matter what generation it is truth needs to be spoken seriously preach the Bible and place it into a text for today period. Every generation has some folks who get it and some don’t that’s going to be how it is regardless . Many of millennials don’t wanna go to church because they see fake stuff in the church
And from the beginning just like. Sister Jackie alludes to a lot is key. Mankind, even when God gives you paradise and command you to obey him. There are going to be big problems and just plain ole messes.
It’s best to not get this generation to comfortable because they are already comfortable, so it’s not about changing the style of preaching to draw them in but rather to set them free with truth teaching spiritual Discipline and most of all there true identity in Christ Jesus!!!! Identity is an eye opener that draws this generation into a great hunger and thirst for God! I believe a preacher should not be always relating hip hop artists etc with Biblical stories because what this generation need is LIGHT so don’t mix Light and darkness and get them to comfortable but rather teach them spiritual discipline. this generation are simply lazy and lack understanding.
I'm so happy I came across this video.Often West Coast seminaries do not cover the Black church experience and expression. So, it is amazing to witness this discussion amongst these educated church leaders. Please consider bringing this to California. We need this!
I listened and a lot of valid points from all. What I did notice is that the Men monopolized the conversation and spoke more about themselves and their style or presentation instead of staying on topic. The Females stayed on topic and spoke from how to meet the generation from that generation's perspective. That is the moderators error from not knowing how to keep the conversation flowing and making sure each person had their time to speak. Dr. Brianna gave great methods on how to meet that generation and would've like to hear more. Jackie is correct about knowing the audience that you're speaking to because you have to meet people where they are. Jackie is someone who floats in many spaces not only Black.
Content will always matter more than style. If the focus is not on the Cross and it's power, I don't care how feel good it sounds. Speaking of generational issues, I think it's more about a pastor being relatable. Listening to the wisdom of the elders is also not old fashioned. I feel this is something younger generations needs to learn. PS I believe the church worldwide needs more teachers.
Man, this is the problem. The holy scriptures are meant to be simple. Not full of theological definitions and a slew of credentialed individuals. Using one’s intellect to explain a generation and the church is exactly what God warns in the scriptures. Our own wisdom is foolishness to Him. We need to take heed to ourselves and our own ways to look into why we are the way we are and why we face the issues we do. The scriptures need to take its rightful place in the black church again and in every church for that matter. P.S. Jackie is trying her best to get them back to the bible lol.
Whooo I want everyone to shush but Jackie. This panel unfortunately reminds me why I left the black pentecostal church..... and it was heartbreaking to do so. But come on yall ever gone talk about the LORD? Jackie sits humbly and has to course correct. 😒
While I appreciate and agree with much of what I have heard, I also know that caution is necessary. The Bible is right and it is truth, so it does need props, stages or gimmicks. In addition the Word of God is before the foundation of the world. It is not subject to time so therefore it cannot be irrelevant, because God is not. I understand and agree with contextualization; however, I am concerned that with preaching, church and the scripture, that we are creating a Baskin-Robbins, Burger King and buffet Christianity. The gospel does not need to updated per our generational lens. All people must be open to the gospel and for our desperate need for salvation and forgiveness. Just like the anointing does not reside in a suit and tie so does it not reside in cut skinny jeans. Individuality and creativity can be used for God's glory. However, I have seen them be turned into idols. Remember that this sin-idolatry seems to be man's favorite go-to sin.
I ponder the scripture Roman's 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Black church, white church, brown church, yellow church.... If you want to teach and REACH millennials, get rid of the color churches. Christ is the Head of His Church, not your color church!!!
This entire discussion was TOTAL B.S. The WORD wasn't meant to CONFORM to MAN, It is meant for MAN to CONFORM to the WORD....Period. ALL talk NO SCRIPTURE...Zero Understanding by people who are SPIRITUALLY DEAD....This will rub alot of women the wrong way, but scripture says " I suffer a woman not to teach." There not supposed to be Head of A-N-Y Church, so your not mad at me, your mad at THUS SAYETH THE LORD.
@@erkdesigns5576 Even Satan appears as a angel of light & I can safely say Christ has nothing to do with ANY of the Denominational teachings that are on this earth today, Hence the saying ONLY A FEW will make it. NO CHURCH that teaches on Sunday has HIS TRUTH because they don't keep nor teach his LAWS. Sunday is not HIS SABBATH, breaking the least of his LAWS is as if breaking them ALL......7th day Adventist even teach a flawed doctrine, we must study to show THYSELF approval, NOT revere the MAN who tells us half truths and traditional philosophies.
I really appreciate this discussion. We have to be real as millennials reaching out to Gen Z and Gen Alpha. We have to switch it up and get back to pure love and helping one another. I’m over the self-righteous folk…..I think we can still make a difference ✨
Dr. Parker was on point about the reasons young black folks are going to white church was soooo on point! The culture really is different. But after going there, I think alot realize it's not home.
God desires that the Church-body be as “one” because HE is “one” with Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Sunday service should not be a segregated event....I look forward to heaven when every tribe, tongue, and nation will worship God in spirit and in truth.
I am glad for the video because I can learn more about some young black pastors’ perspectives. If we remember that we all start this life depraved, guilty with the destination of hell, then our preaching will be relevant. We won’t focus on style too much if we just be ourselves as we share the gospel. When Christ called you to preach, He already knew your personality, strength, weakness culture etc. Just try to be the vessel ready to be used by the Holy Spirit. Just trust the Holy Spirit and he will lead you. It’s not a numbers game it’s a heart and soul issue
Dr. Parker was hitting it on style vs context!! Her greatest argument is watching the (Black)Israelites online for hours taking note. Excellent point. I'm still watching but bible study along with attending church to hear a sermon is key. Taking the time to open the bible and do the following up about what the pastor just preach will help with further understanding.
Did Mr. Mclure say that "we TRY to be sound in our doctrine"??? Well, in the words of Yoda... There is no try, it's DO OR DO NOT. However, The Word of the Lord puts it this way, "I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot: I would rather you be cold or hot. So then because you are lukewarm and neither cold nor hot, I will spit you out of my mouth.
I get this point. I think he said it that way in humility. He’s acknowledging that he IS a human and strives to be sound in doctrine to the very best of his ability in what and how he communicates
Awesome discussion. Awesome points & perspectives to truly consider & take to heart. Thanks Guys💯 Continued Peace & Prosperity in your endeavors with your personal relationships with/God & your ministries🙏🏽
I luv Jackie's humility and input. I like the other lady's commentary too. The 2 guys made some good points but seemed a little competitive with one another. Particularly Dr Goodman, though progressive, seems a little uncomfortable with some of the other male pastor's "radradicalness." But this was a very enjoyable, informative presentation.
I agree. I wasn’t feeling Dr Goodman. Stuck in tradition, loved hearing himself talk, and not really acknowledging anyone but Pastor Mike…. (Wonder how he feels about women preachers) I really enjoyed Jackie….
How Millennials have been defined in this conversation? By most accounts, a millennial is someone born from 1981 to roughly 1996, or someone who became an adult during the first 10 years of the 21st century, or someone who turned 18 years old by the end of 2015. Whereas, Generation Z are those born 1997 to 2012, generally. If the the former is how they are defining millennials, then I am not sure that this conversation has spoken well to the topic "preaching to millennials". Millennials are baptized in post-modernism. I think if they had put the conversation within post-modernism framework, this could have been more palatable, thoughtful, and rigorous. Further, sometimes preachers, on this panel, spent so much time trying to preach to the topic that a more erudite dialogue is seemingly lost.
Mike, I think so many more will be reached in a deeper way, If our pastors would admit when they have learned something new. My pastor, would speak about something new he learned and lambaste the congregation for not for thinking like the younger him, instead of saying I have learned something new. I appreciate that in you. We all should be in a state of learning when it comes to the Bible and things of that nature. We will never know it all on this side of Jordan.
for long several stretches, the male panelists monopolized the convo a bit too much. perhaps because, at least it seems, they already knew each other and at times it felt like they were having a conversation by themselves. but overall everyone's contribution was meaningful and i really enjoyed the conversation.
I wonder if Jackie was just as irritated as I was listening to this lukewarm panel. This Conversation was full of arrogance an Dr. Parker should’ve never been on this stage period.
A couple years ago I was asked to teach at a youth event on pre-marital sex or something etc. I don't remember having any intention to, or notes, but I ended up doing a bee line to Cardi B and Offset as an example of a popular yet an unbiblical relationship. We compared the professed love Offset had for Cardi in relationship to how they seemed to be doing as a couple and the amount of children he had prior to etc. The backdrop was looking at their relationship from the pop culture perspective versus a biblical view. Those kids perked up and knew exactly what I was trying to say. That had a profound impact on my view of what I should and should not say. It was the most blatant conversation I had ever heard about sex and drugs in church but it was completed pointing to Christ. Even listening to Dr. Bri say she taught with Nikki Minaj lyrics I was like huh...and then I was reminded when I taught with Cardi B and the Lord used it. It opened my eyes to my inaccurate perspective about context and communication, the differences between trying to be cool with kids versus knowing what the heck they are into.
Black church and politics has always been a combo meal. The rights that many of us afford as black people came from the church. Whereas a white church handles politics differently.
God didn't make a black and white church...He made the gospel for all...that's the problem..Divison is of the devil...God is love, not politics not race, not titles...we did where did this crap come from! from!!!
@@Yo-dd3en Racism. Please study American History and then you will understand why the Black Church came into existence. You can start with Richard Allen and Absalom Jones.
It seems that the brothers on the panel are struggling with being vulnerable about their hidden stuff (which is their biz to share or not). I hope they didn’t miss Jackie’s point about the joy of victory on the other side of struggles and sharing their victory- unless of course there is no victory being realized on their part. This is theirs, not people. Freedom provokes a freedom from people’s opinion... David didn’t care what folks thought of him when he was exposed BY GOD! “Who told you that you were naked?” I pray God navigates them through the fear they are sharing about. So many men need their authentic testimonies.
Mike McClure is getting somewhere here when he speaking about the struggle and the previous generation not supporting and standing behind him wow. Snatching funding and contracts etc. we don’t have unity like we need within Christianity.
I loved this! Watson Jones we are blessed to have you in Chicago! You’re an incredible gift to the body. Dr Bri Parker, incredible content and transparency. Pastor mike was incredible! Jackie Hill-Perry is fearless! Dr. Goodman is a statesman! Loved all of this!!!!!
I was on board with the discussion till I heard the Lady Dr say things like Blacks have to be trained in things of the church and the host talked about White/Black Trump issue. Nobody talked about the cultural issues in the home. They talk about how Believers see Jesus from different perspectives, but God is the same yesterday, today and forever for ALL People. Don't focus on the differences, we are all the same in God's eyes and on His heart
I hate the racial division in the church. Maybe someone goes to a “white” church because that’s where the Lord has called them. I guess it’s different living here in NYC.
i live in harlem and churches, schools and neighborhoods are as segregated in nyc as they are anywhere. i personally don't want to go to white churches b/c white leaders are largely untrained on issues of culture and their colorblind preaching is not relevant to my life generally. that said, i do think churches should be intentional about finding ways to collaborate.
lime light You’re right, there are many homogenous churches in NYC as well. I suppose it’s what you make it. I don’t really look for preaching on issues of culture, just Jesus. I had a white Pastor and his message on grace was superb. Now my pastor is of Indian decent from Trinidad and preaches what many would consider “Black” style.
@@coreyyow i respect your view, but this isn't a conversation about one's personal preferences or even the race of an individual pastor. this is about whether there is a mandate or need for churches to engage issues of culture including racial reconciliation and racial inequality, and i believe the answer is unequivocally yes. we are sending our children into schools everyday unequipped to handle what they are learning formally and informally about topics such as gender identity, race relations, and gender roles. this is all culture and the church must have a say in these conversations by engaging these issues. in particular, we need leaders who can offer insight about how to approach these matters from a biblical perspective.
lime light it was a conversation full of opinions and I simply added mine. And I agree with everything you said. I was just addressing the part about White and Black Pastors. The conversation in this video is needed. I didn’t say otherwise.
@@coreyyow perhaps, i misunderstood the intent of "i dont look for preaching to address issues of culture...just jesus". but it seems to imply a common sentiment among many believers that engaging culture is somehow superfluous or something beyond the work of the cross.
Preaching to Black Millennials(or anyone) is no different than preaching to Prarisee led Jews...because the Word of God did not(and will not) change based on the world. Truth - which is the Word of God - does not have an expiration date so it does not need to be changed to fit any of the "cultures" of the world. That's why The Word tells you, NOT TO CONFORM TO THIS WORLD. BUT ALLOW 'THE WORD' TO TRANSFORM YOUR MIND SO THAT YOU MAY PROVE(to yourself and others) WHAT IS THAT GOOD, ACCEPTABLE, AND PERFECT, WILL OF GOD.
I live in Birmingham and it’s one church that’s drawing all races and it’s just what Ms.Parker said... they consistent doing the same thing at all locations just a like and on time. People kids love the atmosphere and I wonder sometimes what’s wrong or different in our black churches. It’s truly a difference
I listened to the entire conversation. Very helpful and insightful in many ways. I do which the young lady not Jackie didn’t assume so much. Almost sounds like she has a personal distaste towards the generation before her. 🤷🏾♂️
Does anyone know who the "Sam Chance" is that Dr. Bri Parker is referring to at 26:22? I'm referencing this video for a research project but I'm having a hard time finding what she's referencing. Thanks in advance to anyone who can clue me in!
The two gentlemen spoke way too much without giving the ladies a chance to really share. Pastor Mike used the word "I" a lot. You're doing great work but be careful about that. Great discussion
I’m here for Jackie always pointing us back to Jesus and his word
I loved Jackie Hill Perry’s approach.... Imma listen, & be slow to speak, but when I do it’s going to be substantial! ....& with few words! That girl is baaaaad!
I totally agree. She stands out because of her true authenticity. She's not churchy at all But TRULY has a real relationship with Jesus
so much better than rambling on!!
whew, she said the least and yet the most!
When did Churchy become synonymous with inauthentic. If we take communion together, we should confess our sins one to another. It is tge very definition of a Covenant community.
Her words were the most powerful on the platforms. What they said was relevant, but hers was most powerful.
i appreciate Jackie's example of humbly listening intently, then bringing the topic of discussion back to God when she received the opportunity to share.
Kimberly Snell I also noticed that as well. She is very wise and I always love her. Jackie Hill Perry is awesome.
The reason the Bible is still relevant is because each generation goes thru the same thing called LIFE 🙌🏾
EXACTLY 💯
The Bible is relevant because it's the Word of God period!!
Jackie was definitely overlooked in this one but she was the only one who highlighted the truth of God and not about her “style” and “methods”
I agree
I disagree that she was overlooked. You can tell she was very thoughtful about her answers. She listened more than she spoke. That’s worthy of admiration.
@@jvaz92 that’s exactly what i mean. she was thoughtful with her answers but they weren’t “sexy” enough to the audience or the other panelists, so her answers were overlooked and not seen as all that valuable compared to the other guests. at least that’s how i saw it. she was the most thoughtful one up there for sure
I don't think she was overlooked. I think she was strategic. You see every point she made hit home, even for the audience. Overall the panel blessed me!
Amen, I was thinking exactly what you said👊
Jackie Hill Perry is a voice that needs to be heard!
Jackie has it!!! I appreciate having her on this panel. She is making it about God and the word and not us!
Some love to hear themselves talk, some love to talk about HIM! Again thank you Jackie!
I LOOOOOOOOVE JACKIE’S FACIALS!!! 😂
As a millennial, we just want authenticity. We grew up in churches that preached, “Do as I say, not as I do.” Sadly, we watched pastors cheat on their wives and leave their children, homosexual choir directors draw the largest crowds, musicians sleep with all the women, plus more.
TRUTH!!!
Still going on today....
dually noted
Understood, but don’t let the preacher be the one you follow!! Follow the Lord God your Savior! Get the word into your heart so when you do hear something wack, you’ll reject it. It is true, there should be examples to emulate and learn from, but remember man will always let you down, God never will! Bless ya!!
I am sorry you had to go through that. Not all preachers are like.
Many study the art of preaching and not the art of holiness. You can have that....
Blessed AndFavored 👍🏾👌🏾🙏🏾🙌🏾👏🏾👏🏾
This took me out holiness is right!!!!
TRUE
I think you need both in my opinion
PaceDeliTV not coming against you I’m just asking why is that?
Different styles are needed for different people but as long as the truth is being preached that's all that matters
I loved it when Pastor Goodman said that "black people can be excellent"!!!
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they can but majority of black organizations are not
What Jackie said was the most relevant!! Someone said it, God knows all and He is never outdated. We can be but He is not. He don't need to figure out how to reach the people, acknowledging God in all of their ways will lead them down that path. I also like Pastor Mike!
I feel like this became tone deaf towards the end.
Just tell the truth. It's not rocket science. We teach waaaaay too much church culture instead of Christ.
Buckle down on OBJECTIVE Apologetics, devoid of any particular political leanings or agendas
AGREED.
Exactly
Amen!
@Paint n' Puzzels objective Apologetics means rejecting the right as well.... The Right is just as immoral as The Left
One thought is, We are not a Culture but a lifestyle!!!
I’ve never seen a plantation. I do appreciate cadence. Christ before style, discipleship before culture, substance before cadence
Jackie’s the only one who made it about God. Everybody else seems so self-absorbed.
THEY ARE.
😂😂😂😂
Thank you Pastor Mike! Some preachers are threatened by others gifts!
As member of a congregation, I want to know that my pastor is growing, studying , learning.....being sanctified.
THIS.
Jesus never preached or taught the same. We must be led BY God's Spirit
Fred Felton III are you sure about that? It seems like Jesus used parables over and over and over again.... what do you mean by “never preached or taught the same”?
@@MrAntiOrdinary u are correct, but he didn't tell parables every time right?
Fred Felton III Firstly, if you agree that Jesus taught in parables on more than one occasion, then your original premise is wrong and that was my point. We can’t say that the Lord Jesus “never” preached or taught the same because we don’t know that he never repeated a sermon or parable. And of course, as we’ve already noted, He taught in parables more than one. That negates “never”. Secondly, Matthew 13:34 clearly indicates that Jesus’ approach (at least when preaching and teaching to the crowds) always involved parables. I’m not trying to be nit-picky, but I’m always concerned about over-stating a point, especially when it comes to scripture.
@@MrAntiOrdinary reading the bible lets us know Jesus did not teach or preach the same. Study and u will see that. We just have to agree to disagree
Fred Felton III LOL... if the Bible shows that, then please educate a brother. There’s no need to “agree to disagree” if you can show it to me in the Bible, sir. I gave you my reason BIBLICALLY for saying that Jesus used parables multiple times (Matthew chapter 13, v.34). Since you say “reading the Bible will show...”, please show.
Mike McClure, you said it, Sir. You got to surround yourself with people that can build you where you lack.
I can listen to Jackie Hill Perry all day…very rooted and grounded teacher
Me toooo
Man just follow the Holy Spirit, have discernment, an stay on your face in prayer, stay true with God and yourself and be obedient, and submitted, get delivered from people.This will help all of these issues that came up in this conversation. From the leaders the ushers, the millennials on down to the elders in the church etc.
If that's all it is there is no need for discipleship. The Apostle Paul has no need to write to Timothy or Titus if they can just listen to the Spirit. GOD uses His people to do His work. Jesus walked with His disciples for 3 years. Being with someone day in and day out...everything is going to come up from who takes too long in the bathroom to who can stand mustard on their sandwich. These conversations, questions and concerns are reality which is why they are worth talking about lest the believers STRUGGLING with these exact questions never hear them addressed by leaders they can trust and hear from.
Mike McClure is so dope wit it. Love this panel!
Check out his album! Dope!!!
I just want the WORD. I JUST WANT THE BIBLE. That's it! No smoke and mirrors, no theatrics, no super long sermons rooted in feelings instead of Scriptures. I still watch and listen to Dr Charles Stanley, who most times had nothing but his Bible and a podium. There is so much Bible to be preached! The Word is alive. It pierces the heart (Luke) "piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and quick to discern the thoughts and intents of the heart" (Hebrews) . The Bible, JESUS is what the world needs. It's what millennials need, but it's what every generation in every corner of the planet needs.
So glad Jackie is up there bottom line it don’t matter what generation it is truth needs to be spoken seriously preach the Bible and place it into a text for today period. Every generation has some folks who get it and some don’t that’s going to be how it is regardless . Many of millennials don’t wanna go to church because they see fake stuff in the church
And from the beginning just like. Sister Jackie alludes to a lot is key. Mankind, even when God gives you paradise and command you to obey him. There are going to be big problems and just plain ole messes.
This is such a timely discussion. Thank you, Jude 3 project.
The audio is not good listened on phone and on TV
It’s best to not get this generation to comfortable because they are already comfortable, so it’s not about changing the style of preaching to draw them in but rather to set them free with truth teaching spiritual Discipline and most of all there true identity in Christ Jesus!!!! Identity is an eye opener that draws this generation into a great hunger and thirst for God! I believe a preacher should not be always relating hip hop artists etc with Biblical stories because what this generation need is LIGHT so don’t mix Light and darkness and get them to comfortable but rather teach them spiritual discipline. this generation are simply lazy and lack understanding.
I'm so happy I came across this video.Often West Coast seminaries do not cover the Black church experience and expression. So, it is amazing to witness this discussion amongst these educated church leaders. Please consider bringing this to California. We need this!
Dr.Charles hit it! Be yourself and your audience will come
I listened and a lot of valid points from all. What I did notice is that the Men monopolized the conversation and spoke more about themselves and their style or presentation instead of staying on topic. The Females stayed on topic and spoke from how to meet the generation from that generation's perspective. That is the moderators error from not knowing how to keep the conversation flowing and making sure each person had their time to speak. Dr. Brianna gave great methods on how to meet that generation and would've like to hear more. Jackie is correct about knowing the audience that you're speaking to because you have to meet people where they are. Jackie is someone who floats in many spaces not only Black.
Content will always matter more than style. If the focus is not on the Cross and it's power, I don't care how feel good it sounds. Speaking of generational issues, I think it's more about a pastor being relatable. Listening to the wisdom of the elders is also not old fashioned. I feel this is something younger generations needs to learn.
PS
I believe the church worldwide needs more teachers.
And “I” panel. Jackie thank you for decreasing so God can have the increase. Is God being glorified on this panel?
No he isn’t... except for Jackie. The rest shouldn’t even be preaching.
@@jesuschristsaves9067 I’m so glad to know others see what I see…THANK YOU!!!
So much gold in this interview!! I’m taking notes!!!!
Man, this is the problem. The holy scriptures are meant to be simple. Not full of theological definitions and a slew of credentialed individuals. Using one’s intellect to explain a generation and the church is exactly what God warns in the scriptures. Our own wisdom is foolishness to Him. We need to take heed to ourselves and our own ways to look into why we are the way we are and why we face the issues we do. The scriptures need to take its rightful place in the black church again and in every church for that matter.
P.S. Jackie is trying her best to get them back to the bible lol.
She tried her very best 😂
Beautiful panel of inspiring people in the faith, we thank God
LOVE this! These are the days that the church will figure things out!
Whooo I want everyone to shush but Jackie. This panel unfortunately reminds me why I left the black pentecostal church..... and it was heartbreaking to do so. But come on yall ever gone talk about the LORD?
Jackie sits humbly and has to course correct.
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"bapticostal" lol i love it and immediately understood what he meant (4:15)
Jackie made the face I made at that moment 😂
I am here for Jackie Hill Perry, just to hear her directing us to God
While I appreciate and agree with much of what I have heard, I also know that caution is necessary. The Bible is right and it is truth, so it does need props, stages or gimmicks. In addition the Word of God is before the foundation of the world. It is not subject to time so therefore it cannot be irrelevant, because God is not. I understand and agree with contextualization; however, I am concerned that with preaching, church and the scripture, that we are creating a Baskin-Robbins, Burger King and buffet Christianity. The gospel does not need to updated per our generational lens. All people must be open to the gospel and for our desperate need for salvation and forgiveness. Just like the anointing does not reside in a suit and tie so does it not reside in cut skinny jeans.
Individuality and creativity can be used for God's glory. However, I have seen them be turned into idols. Remember that this sin-idolatry seems to be man's favorite go-to sin.
Well written!
I ponder the scripture Roman's 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
I agree there's no Mcdonalds Gospel they should be talkin about these last days n the culture of the day compared to the truth!!!! Yeah.
i'm assuming you intended to say, "...so [the bible] does [NOT] need props, stages or gimmicks." -- which is true.
Note: your production volume is real low.
lol a simple compressor plugin smh haha good video though
Super low lol
TRUE!!!!
Yep
Black church, white church, brown church, yellow church.... If you want to teach and REACH millennials, get rid of the color churches. Christ is the Head of His Church, not your color church!!!
We are one body in Christ
Preach Christ and him crucified nothing else to all man.......Jazz I can't with this talk from the church
This entire discussion was TOTAL B.S.
The WORD wasn't meant to CONFORM to MAN, It is meant for MAN to CONFORM to the WORD....Period.
ALL talk NO SCRIPTURE...Zero Understanding by people who are SPIRITUALLY DEAD....This will rub alot of women the wrong way, but scripture says " I suffer a woman not to teach." There not supposed to be Head of A-N-Y Church, so your not mad at me, your mad at THUS SAYETH THE LORD.
C.L. Smooth , interesting....
@@yvonnebelcher1823 Indeed....Love the Head cover btw.
Thanks,
@@erkdesigns5576 Even Satan appears as a angel of light & I can safely say Christ has nothing to do with ANY of the Denominational teachings that are on this earth today, Hence the saying ONLY A FEW will make it. NO CHURCH that teaches on Sunday has HIS TRUTH because they don't keep nor teach his LAWS. Sunday is not HIS SABBATH, breaking the least of his LAWS is as if breaking them ALL......7th day Adventist even teach a flawed doctrine, we must study to show THYSELF approval, NOT revere the MAN who tells us half truths and traditional philosophies.
@@c.l.smooth29 So where/with whom do you observe the Sabbath with?
I really appreciate this discussion. We have to be real as millennials reaching out to Gen Z and Gen Alpha. We have to switch it up and get back to pure love and helping one another. I’m over the self-righteous folk…..I think we can still make a difference ✨
Wow!! This was a good talk.
Dr. Parker was on point about the reasons young black folks are going to white church was soooo on point! The culture really is different. But after going there, I think alot realize it's not home.
Thank you for giving us Mike McClure!
You just need to be anointed with all the sin in this world u need to love to see souls saved its about souls not materials but souls
2 years late but too much "self" and not enough Bible. I appreciated Jackie Hill Perry at least trying to bring it back to the "Cross".
THANK you.
Not sure if anyone noticed that
God desires that the Church-body be as “one” because HE is “one” with Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
Sunday service should not be a segregated event....I look forward to heaven when every tribe, tongue, and nation will worship God in spirit and in truth.
Be Christ Like. Not be more race like....Jeez zzz america you so?into this race thing than us in Africa.
Only Jackie needed to be here and speak. The rest was fluff, just skip through to hear what Jackie has to say.
Big facts
Exactly!
I am glad for the video because I can learn more about some young black pastors’ perspectives. If we remember that we all start this life depraved, guilty with the destination of hell, then our preaching will be relevant. We won’t focus on style too much if we just be ourselves as we share the gospel. When Christ called you to preach, He already knew your personality, strength, weakness culture etc. Just try to be the vessel ready to be used by the Holy Spirit. Just trust the Holy Spirit and he will lead you. It’s not a numbers game it’s a heart and soul issue
I’m
About to binge watch all these videos this weekend lol- this channel is so interesting!
I don’t want just a SOUND! Content gets lost in style! Dr Brianna thank you for correcting that!
Dr. Parker was hitting it on style vs context!! Her greatest argument is watching the (Black)Israelites online for hours taking note. Excellent point. I'm still watching but bible study along with attending church to hear a sermon is key. Taking the time to open the bible and do the following up about what the pastor just preach will help with further understanding.
This conversation is RICH!!!! So much in one 🙌🏾
Did Mr. Mclure say that "we TRY to be sound in our doctrine"???
Well, in the words of Yoda... There is no try, it's DO OR DO NOT. However, The Word of the Lord puts it this way, "I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot: I would rather you be cold or hot. So then because you are lukewarm and neither cold nor hot, I will spit you out of my mouth.
I get this point. I think he said it that way in humility. He’s acknowledging that he IS a human and strives to be sound in doctrine to the very best of his ability in what and how he communicates
Pastor McClure granted your concerns are valid. Be a kingdom men no matter what. My prayers are with you, your family and saints.
Awesome discussion. Awesome points & perspectives to truly consider & take to heart. Thanks Guys💯 Continued Peace & Prosperity in your endeavors with your personal relationships with/God & your ministries🙏🏽
This generation doesn't want to be lied to ....🙌🏾🇿🇲
I luv Jackie's humility and input.
I like the other lady's commentary too.
The 2 guys made some good points but seemed a little competitive with one another. Particularly Dr Goodman, though progressive, seems a little uncomfortable with some of the other male pastor's "radradicalness."
But this was a very enjoyable, informative presentation.
I agree. I wasn’t feeling Dr Goodman. Stuck in tradition, loved hearing himself talk, and not really acknowledging anyone but Pastor Mike…. (Wonder how he feels about women preachers)
I really enjoyed Jackie….
I sensed a lot of arrogance in this panel.
Oh my gosh. Very
Besides Jackie
How Millennials have been defined in this conversation? By most accounts, a millennial is someone born from 1981 to roughly 1996, or someone who became an adult during the first 10 years of the 21st century, or someone who turned 18 years old by the end of 2015. Whereas, Generation Z are those born 1997 to 2012, generally. If the the former is how they are defining millennials, then I am not sure that this conversation has spoken well to the topic "preaching to millennials". Millennials are baptized in post-modernism. I think if they had put the conversation within post-modernism framework, this could have been more palatable, thoughtful, and rigorous. Further, sometimes preachers, on this panel, spent so much time trying to preach to the topic that a more erudite dialogue is seemingly lost.
I'm not black and this is speaking to me. I think I want to go to their church.
This is a great presentation; quite challenging and informative.
Mike, I think so many more will be reached in a deeper way, If our pastors would admit when they have learned something new. My pastor, would speak about something new he learned and lambaste the congregation for not for thinking like the younger him, instead of saying I have learned something new. I appreciate that in you. We all should be in a state of learning when it comes to the Bible and things of that nature. We will never know it all on this side of Jordan.
I concur.
Love what Dr. Parker had to say about content!! The word of God doesn’t change however the style of deliverance.
for long several stretches, the male panelists monopolized the convo a bit too much. perhaps because, at least it seems, they already knew each other and at times it felt like they were having a conversation by themselves. but overall everyone's contribution was meaningful and i really enjoyed the conversation.
I wonder if Jackie was just as irritated as I was listening to this lukewarm panel. This Conversation was full of arrogance an Dr. Parker should’ve never been on this stage period.
Amen.Dr.Goodman pray over entire church
Dr.brianna Parker you are spot on. 👏🏿
Missed 4 months of Bible Study to coach his son football team 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
So he teaches his son that baseball is more important than Bible study?????????????????
Facts on the lack of structure in some places
I love Dr. Parker. She's a truth teller.
It’s the panel for me. We are listening.
A couple years ago I was asked to teach at a youth event on pre-marital sex or something etc. I don't remember having any intention to, or notes, but I ended up doing a bee line to Cardi B and Offset as an example of a popular yet an unbiblical relationship. We compared the professed love Offset had for Cardi in relationship to how they seemed to be doing as a couple and the amount of children he had prior to etc. The backdrop was looking at their relationship from the pop culture perspective versus a biblical view. Those kids perked up and knew exactly what I was trying to say. That had a profound impact on my view of what I should and should not say. It was the most blatant conversation I had ever heard about sex and drugs in church but it was completed pointing to Christ. Even listening to Dr. Bri say she taught with Nikki Minaj lyrics I was like huh...and then I was reminded when I taught with Cardi B and the Lord used it. It opened my eyes to my inaccurate perspective about context and communication, the differences between trying to be cool with kids versus knowing what the heck they are into.
What's unbiblical about cardi b and offsets relationship. They married
They lost me when politics came up. So much misinformation being spread, it's disheartening. Perception really is reality. God bless 🙏🇺🇲❤️.
Black church and politics has always been a combo meal. The rights that many of us afford as black people came from the church. Whereas a white church handles politics differently.
Exactly!!!!
God didn't make a black and white church...He made the gospel for all...that's the problem..Divison is of the devil...God is love, not politics not race, not titles...we did where did this crap come from! from!!!
@@Yo-dd3en Amen!
@@Yo-dd3en Racism. Please study American History and then you will understand why the Black Church came into existence. You can start with Richard Allen and Absalom Jones.
Well said Ms.Perry👌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
Amazing panel . Powerful conversation.
Being in God's word is hearing from God
Glad I found this channel. So. The Black Church...is TOO much like family; you got drunk uncles, gossipy aunties, and bossy grandmamas? That's love.
Dr. Brianna Parker is speaking the truth !!!
It seems that the brothers on the panel are struggling with being vulnerable about their hidden stuff (which is their biz to share or not). I hope they didn’t miss Jackie’s point about the joy of victory on the other side of struggles and sharing their victory- unless of course there is no victory being realized on their part. This is theirs, not people. Freedom provokes a freedom from people’s opinion... David didn’t care what folks thought of him when he was exposed BY GOD! “Who told you that you were naked?” I pray God navigates them through the fear they are sharing about. So many men need their authentic testimonies.
Mike McClure is getting somewhere here when he speaking about the struggle and the previous generation not supporting and standing behind him wow. Snatching funding and contracts etc. we don’t have unity like we need within Christianity.
Thanks Mike McClure for addressing the needs of young black boys.
Dr. Bri. There are disorganized and organized entities in every group.
I loved this! Watson Jones we are blessed to have you in Chicago! You’re an incredible gift to the body. Dr Bri Parker, incredible content and transparency. Pastor mike was incredible! Jackie Hill-Perry is fearless! Dr. Goodman is a statesman! Loved all of this!!!!!
Yes Jackie. Yes
Dr. Parker is actually on point in this one.
I was on board with the discussion till I heard the Lady Dr say things like Blacks have to be trained in things of the church and the host talked about White/Black Trump issue. Nobody talked about the cultural issues in the home. They talk about how Believers see Jesus from different perspectives, but God is the same yesterday, today and forever for ALL People. Don't focus on the differences, we are all the same in God's eyes and on His heart
Dr Goodman brings a sage insight to to conversation.
Insightful but I heard a lot of "I"s . Curious.
Too many! What I did. What I'm doing....its about God not you.
Yup. All about self.
They were all on on point!
All of them except Jackie displayed arrogance and self focus.
I hate the racial division in the church. Maybe someone goes to a “white” church because that’s where the Lord has called them. I guess it’s different living here in NYC.
i live in harlem and churches, schools and neighborhoods are as segregated in nyc as they are anywhere. i personally don't want to go to white churches b/c white leaders are largely untrained on issues of culture and their colorblind preaching is not relevant to my life generally. that said, i do think churches should be intentional about finding ways to collaborate.
lime light You’re right, there are many homogenous churches in NYC as well. I suppose it’s what you make it. I don’t really look for preaching on issues of culture, just Jesus. I had a white Pastor and his message on grace was superb. Now my pastor is of Indian decent from Trinidad and preaches what many would consider “Black” style.
@@coreyyow i respect your view, but this isn't a conversation about one's personal preferences or even the race of an individual pastor. this is about whether there is a mandate or need for churches to engage issues of culture including racial reconciliation and racial inequality, and i believe the answer is unequivocally yes. we are sending our children into schools everyday unequipped to handle what they are learning formally and informally about topics such as gender identity, race relations, and gender roles. this is all culture and the church must have a say in these conversations by engaging these issues. in particular, we need leaders who can offer insight about how to approach these matters from a biblical perspective.
lime light it was a conversation full of opinions and I simply added mine. And I agree with everything you said. I was just addressing the part about White and Black Pastors. The conversation in this video is needed. I didn’t say otherwise.
@@coreyyow perhaps, i misunderstood the intent of "i dont look for preaching to address issues of culture...just jesus". but it seems to imply a common sentiment among many believers that engaging culture is somehow superfluous or something beyond the work of the cross.
Preaching to Black Millennials(or anyone) is no different than preaching to Prarisee led Jews...because the Word of God did not(and will not) change based on the world. Truth - which is the Word of God - does not have an expiration date so it does not need to be changed to fit any of the "cultures" of the world. That's why The Word tells you, NOT TO CONFORM TO THIS WORLD. BUT ALLOW 'THE WORD' TO TRANSFORM YOUR MIND SO THAT YOU MAY PROVE(to yourself and others) WHAT IS THAT GOOD, ACCEPTABLE, AND PERFECT, WILL OF GOD.
I live in Birmingham and it’s one church that’s drawing all races and it’s just what Ms.Parker said... they consistent doing the same thing at all locations just a like and on time. People kids love the atmosphere and I wonder sometimes what’s wrong or different in our black churches. It’s truly a difference
I listened to the entire conversation. Very helpful and insightful in many ways. I do which the young lady not Jackie didn’t assume so much. Almost sounds like she has a personal distaste towards the generation before her. 🤷🏾♂️
I got the same feeling.
Should we connect to the sound OR THE WORD!! I'M COFUSED.
Does anyone know who the "Sam Chance" is that Dr. Bri Parker is referring to at 26:22? I'm referencing this video for a research project but I'm having a hard time finding what she's referencing. Thanks in advance to anyone who can clue me in!
The two gentlemen spoke way too much without giving the ladies a chance to really share. Pastor Mike used the word "I" a lot. You're doing great work but be careful about that. Great discussion