It would be amazing to see a video exploring the Socata Tobago! I was lucky enough to rent a TB200 XL GT for a bit and fell in love with the thing, but would love to see the actual dirty financial details to put a lid on my fantasies of buying one someday.
I own one and fly all over Europe with it. It really is unlike any other airplane in it's class, because you can sit in it for hours without fatigue. It's more like flying a luxury car than any of the traditional manufacturers.
@@robbiestrickland3372 Yes, that's exactly what I loved about it. It was more comfortable than any GA plane I've flown. Unfortunately I never got the opportunity to take it on a long trip but I'm sure it would be an amazing experience.
I'm a Az-Truck owner. Where do you hanger your plane? Kissimmee is on the lower end at $650/month. Got to argue with your overhaul quote. Granted my TIO-540s have more horses, but $32,000 for overhaul is half what I'm quoted. Annual is high unless you're guessing at what broke. Lastly, what are you using for price/gallon of fuel and your way of guessing annual maintenance? All that said, I wish I had looked for one of these. My Aztec F Turbo has long range tanks and is a constant W&B issue. Have to keep the bladders full to prevent dry rot, but can't carry more than two people and a dog without draining fuel. Seneca III gives more speed than the Aztec and burns less.
Fantastic video as always and the comedy was great. I know you probably get enough requests to last years, but would love to see a Stearman at some point. Thanks for all your great videos!
Ohhhh, hadn’t thought about the aspect of having to draw the exposed radial engine. That’s gotta be tough. Well at least it would be from my viewpoint where I can only draw stick figures, and even then they are pretty rough. 😂 Thanks again!
I did lots of time in a Seneca II and IV. The II was so underpowered, you would have to plan something like 3-5000' (depending on load and anti-ice) in case of engine failure, so that is not an aircraft you would take over high ground! The IV (turbo-supercharged) was much more accomplished and powerful, but obviously needed much more careful engine management and could easily turn on its back at blue line speed with no or incorrect rudder and an engine failure.
Agreed, visibility is a real issue with the Seneca. Even here in the flight simulation world, that I take very seriously. Whether it be X plane or Microsoft flight simulator platforms, the Seneca just is very difficult to see out of and it sits in my virtual hanger unused, in both platforms. I agree with everybody else, The Baron, is the better twin, If you are talking about the 58 platform however, if you're speaking just to the three mentioned in the video, I would go with the 310R. Don't know much about the performance of the Baron 55 versus 310R and I have flown only 310R & Seneca In the simulator. And I can only speak from a flight simulation pilot experience, but the Baron 58P (Pressurized) by Black Square development group is an awesome aircraft. It is fast (245 knots ) GS and carries good flight loads to various destinations provided by various economy modules that are available to you In the flight simulation world. Providing us pilots. with functionality. to bring us closer to the real thing. PS: I sound like a "SHILL" for Black Square hehe, Oh well No Apologies here. My thoughts. Cheers Dion.
Thanks for sharing! 55 Baron and 310R have little overlap. 310R is in league with 58 Baron. 310R even has a higher MTOW than 58 Baron. The share a landing weight.
Apparently, none of the commenters on this video actually have ever owned a Seneca. I have owned a 1978 II model since 2002. I can promise you the hourly costs are WAY higher than listed here. For example, The last time I replaced an engine, (in 2007) the total cost was $44,000.00. That was $32,000 to Western Skyways and $12,000 to Alaskan Aircraft Engines for the installation. The installation costs included all the necessary new parts. At this time, the costs are WAY higher. So each engine replacement would come in closer to $60K. For two engines, that is 120K. That works out to $67.00/hr. Of course, that does not include any reserves for the props, or other major maintenance. The fuel is WAY too low also. At 24 GPH, with a cost of $6.50/gallon, you are looking at close to $160.00 / hour. Also, it is not unusual to spent 20K on an annual inspection and repair. It is beyond unbelievable how many issues that often need to be addressed. A 6K annual would be on the low end, after an extensive annual the prior year, for instance. Flying a Seneca is not a low-cost activity.
Everyone has an opinion. Regarding the (squatty body, feels like flying in a tub between engine nacelles) Seneca looking better than any model 310, your opinion is wrong but hey😅😉
Beechcraft people are like Porsche people, convinced in the inherent superiority of the product. Piper and Cessna people are more like Ford and Chevy people, It's a plane. Who cares who made it?
Just came here to say I still don’t understand how this channel only has 30k subscribers. I don’t know how to even fly and never plan to learn but you better believe I’ll keep watching these videos for no apparent reason.
Your humor was on point this video! Thank you again for all your research and effort you put into these videos.
Did a solid double take at this
Senecas are ideal for travelling around the country solvin' mysteries.
Could you do a video on how to draw your aircraft?
It would be amazing to see a video exploring the Socata Tobago! I was lucky enough to rent a TB200 XL GT for a bit and fell in love with the thing, but would love to see the actual dirty financial details to put a lid on my fantasies of buying one someday.
+1 for Tobago! Really good one
I own one and fly all over Europe with it. It really is unlike any other airplane in it's class, because you can sit in it for hours without fatigue. It's more like flying a luxury car than any of the traditional manufacturers.
@@robbiestrickland3372 Yes, that's exactly what I loved about it. It was more comfortable than any GA plane I've flown. Unfortunately I never got the opportunity to take it on a long trip but I'm sure it would be an amazing experience.
“Twin n tonic” 😂😂😂😂 keep up the good work 😀👋🇬🇧
dreams are born watching this channel
310s look ridiculous, completely agree!
Thanks for doing a video on the Seneca. It's the most ignored light twin thus it's hard to get information about PA-34 ownership.
I'm a Az-Truck owner. Where do you hanger your plane? Kissimmee is on the lower end at $650/month. Got to argue with your overhaul quote. Granted my TIO-540s have more horses, but $32,000 for overhaul is half what I'm quoted. Annual is high unless you're guessing at what broke. Lastly, what are you using for price/gallon of fuel and your way of guessing annual maintenance?
All that said, I wish I had looked for one of these. My Aztec F Turbo has long range tanks and is a constant W&B issue. Have to keep the bladders full to prevent dry rot, but can't carry more than two people and a dog without draining fuel. Seneca III gives more speed than the Aztec and burns less.
I’m doing my multi in this tomorrow! Looking forwards to it
Fantastic video as always and the comedy was great. I know you probably get enough requests to last years, but would love to see a Stearman at some point. Thanks for all your great videos!
I have. Exposed radial engines are no joke to draw.. haha, I have a couple done. I'll tackle a few more and make the video eventually
Ohhhh, hadn’t thought about the aspect of having to draw the exposed radial engine. That’s gotta be tough. Well at least it would be from my viewpoint where I can only draw stick figures, and even then they are pretty rough. 😂 Thanks again!
Prolly never own an aircraft... But one can dream. Not sure if your videos are helping or enabling... :))
I did lots of time in a Seneca II and IV. The II was so underpowered, you would have to plan something like 3-5000' (depending on load and anti-ice) in case of engine failure, so that is not an aircraft you would take over high ground! The IV (turbo-supercharged) was much more accomplished and powerful, but obviously needed much more careful engine management and could easily turn on its back at blue line speed with no or incorrect rudder and an engine failure.
Agreed, visibility is a real issue with the Seneca. Even here in the flight simulation world, that I take very seriously. Whether it be X plane or Microsoft flight simulator platforms, the Seneca just is very difficult to see out of and it sits in my virtual hanger unused, in both platforms. I agree with everybody else, The Baron, is the better twin, If you are talking about the 58 platform however, if you're speaking just to the three mentioned in the video, I would go with the 310R. Don't know much about the performance of the Baron 55 versus 310R and I have flown only 310R & Seneca In the simulator. And I can only speak from a flight simulation pilot experience, but the Baron 58P (Pressurized) by Black Square development group is an awesome aircraft. It is fast (245 knots ) GS and carries good flight loads to various destinations provided by various economy modules that are available to you In the flight simulation world. Providing us pilots. with functionality. to bring us closer to the real thing. PS: I sound like a "SHILL" for Black Square hehe, Oh well No Apologies here. My thoughts. Cheers Dion.
Thanks for sharing! 55 Baron and 310R have little overlap. 310R is in league with 58 Baron. 310R even has a higher MTOW than 58 Baron. The share a landing weight.
Apparently, none of the commenters on this video actually have ever owned a Seneca. I have owned a 1978 II model since 2002. I can promise you the hourly costs are WAY higher than listed here.
For example, The last time I replaced an engine, (in 2007) the total cost was $44,000.00. That was $32,000 to Western Skyways and $12,000 to Alaskan Aircraft Engines for the installation. The installation costs included all the necessary new parts. At this time, the costs are WAY higher. So each engine replacement would come in closer to $60K. For two engines, that is 120K. That works out to $67.00/hr. Of course, that does not include any reserves for the props, or other major maintenance.
The fuel is WAY too low also. At 24 GPH, with a cost of $6.50/gallon, you are looking at close to $160.00 / hour.
Also, it is not unusual to spent 20K on an annual inspection and repair. It is beyond unbelievable how many issues that often need to be addressed. A 6K annual would be on the low end, after an extensive annual the prior year, for instance.
Flying a Seneca is not a low-cost activity.
Do the Aerostar next!
me and my mate have been flying these around in msfs for fun recently around the world, Aeronca Champ next?
And if you are two brothers that live on Nantucket that want to start a business, this is a great plane for you.
Twinteresting video! Please to review the SuperXimango next!
Can you make a video about md 500D please?
Thanks a lot!
Everyone has an opinion. Regarding the (squatty body, feels like flying in a tub between engine nacelles) Seneca looking better than any model 310, your opinion is wrong but hey😅😉
Maybe you could do a Partenavia P.68 Observer! Pretty sweet airplane!
This was uploaded a day after my flight school purchased a Seneca III, COINCIDENCE OR CONSPIRACY????
I did all of my multi training in a Seminole. A Seneca would be a super easy transition
Flown senecas. Flown Barons. Yep - Baron for the flying, Seneca for the roomy cabin.
What I REALLY want you to look at is the Cessna 340.
Are you ... Applying pressure?
@@matt_b... I'm feeling the pressure. :)
just here to see what @flywithkay will be spending on her new Seneca III lol
Can you please do a pby-5a catalina next🙏
1500 feet per second climb? Is that supposed to be fpm? 0:59
Beechcraft people are like Porsche people, convinced in the inherent superiority of the product. Piper and Cessna people are more like Ford and Chevy people, It's a plane. Who cares who made it?
Could you do the Twin Comanche next?
Aerostar!
You seem like a man I could be a best friend with.
Done. We're best friends now
@@CompleteWalkaround huzzah! I'll fax over the friendship contract and toss our secret decoder ring in the mail!!!!!
Do the quicksilver next
Can we see some videos on the big Cessna Twins; 402C, 404, 441? Would love to see
Now I only want a pair of turbocharged bib overalls
Could you do the bellanca super Viking?
turbocharged overhauls had me ROLLING
So like 70k a year?
Wow look at those climb rates!!! 1600 feet per second!
hehe pointy nose
Could you do a video on the Navion G Rangemaster?
I had a C55 Baron and a C310. Baron was faster, but I got fck’d twice by continentals. Focus on twins with lycomings.
Would you do a video on an older Lear? Maybe the 25?
Just came here to say I still don’t understand how this channel only has 30k subscribers. I don’t know how to even fly and never plan to learn but you better believe I’ll keep watching these videos for no apparent reason.
Good point
Everybody loves a beech next to twin town
Yess
Do Viperjet Mk2
First!
Your humor gets better every every video.
Wish you made longer videos! 😂
Thanks for doing this plane!!
The puns are golden. Keep it up.
Great Video! Thank you!
De-ice cuz Canadian....
Bravo.Thenks
COMPLETE WALKAROUNDDD
Youre a king
Oh thank you. 👑
Are the fixed costs monthly or yearly?
Yearly
Thanks!
Jon, My Friend, You've already paid for the first tank of 100LL in the RV-3. Your support is greatly appreciated🙂
@@CompleteWalkaround when I finish my RV-8 I’ll fly by and give you a wing wave.
0:55 Climb rates appears to be incorrectly labeled in "Feet/Sec" instead of "Feet/Min", but great video as always, can't wait for the next one!
I've been dreaming of buying a Daher Kodiak and would love for you to ruin my dreams 🥲
Kodiak is on the short list.
Ferraris are so overrated, they haven't won an f1 championship since 2007, they are the Harley Davidson of the supercar world.
twinseltown. twin & tonic. so much pun today. thanks for the insightful and entertaining content. greatly appreciated
Thanks Matt, This is greatly appreciated as well :)