Hey guys! I just uploaded a second Marshall shootout which also includes a hand-wired Ceriatone clone! For those interested, here is the link: ruclips.net/video/X2YVffow5zU/видео.html
My 50 watt 900 was my first tube amp ever, and it's still my favorite. The 800 is certainly iconic, but my 900, unboosted, with my 79 Les Paul is the perfect tone combo to me.
@@CaliforniaRailfanner well, that's your opinion. That's the thing about tone... it's completely subjective. Don't believe me? Listen to Early Van Halen and the Randy Rhodes Ozzy records. Rhodes was an amazing player, but his tone was kind of god awful compared to EVH in the same time period. I don't mind if most people prefer the 800. I love my 900 and have yet to met a guitarist who has stood in front of it while it was cranked who didn't think it was a complete monster.
@@mikelovesguitars402 I don't understand the comparison of Rhodes to EVH? They both used early Marshalls. they used different speakers and had their amps setup differently. So what does that have to do with a 900?
@@guitarexpert2245 the point, simply is that tone is subjective. They both played similar gear at a similar time, but EVH's tone is subjectively fantastic, while Rhodes' tone is subjectively... much less so. But I'm sure he thought it was great at the time. Basically, the 800 and 900 are different amps, so they sound different. Different doesn't necessarily mean one is awesome while the other is garbage. Yes, the 800 is a great amp, but the 900 being different doesn't automatically make it bad. I've heard lots of guitar players make 900s sound great. Just because you prefer the 800 doesn't mean other players are wrong for liking the 900.
Awesome comparison. I enjoyed every note you played man! This video is one of the best proofs around that JCM 900 is not worse, but just different than JCM800. I would go for JCM900 over JCM800, even for rock / hard rock, not only for metal. Thank you for this video man!
Thanks! I like them both as well! I don’t know whether I just got lucky and found a great 900 but I’ve always liked it. It’s darker, a bit more compressed, and feels tighter to play, but they’re pretty similar especially in a mix. After I recorded this, I had the 800 serviced and it tamed the harsh brightness a bit, but not enough to warrant redoing the shootout
@@guidobandido8182 to be honest, i am not competent enough to comment cliping diodes, tubes and what not. Im pretty sure you would agree with me, only what matters in the end is the SOUND. I dont care if the amp has tubes, cliping diodes, worms, ants or water inside to make it sound good, as long as it sounds good to my ears =)
@@guidobandido8182 yeah! The 900s, along with the 800 models 2205 and 2210, as well as the silver jubilee all incorporate solid state clipping to increase distortion. But don’t listen to the snobs, all of those amps are classics and each has its own unique qualities. In the 900 the distortion is tight in the low end and rounded off highs. I think it sounds great depending on the context!
@@guidobandido8182 There are 3 main types of 900. (Bonus at the bottom) MkIII Dual Mastervolume has diodes somewhere in the pre amp section (you can dial out the clipping of these diodes). Has 1 channel. Dual Reverb has OP amps in the pre amp section (not sure how this beast works, the so-called pre amp tubes are after the gain stages in this amp). Has 2 channels SL-X has an extra tube in the pre amp section. 1 channel. B.t.w. not judging. They are the right tool, in the right situation. For what I consider a good 900 MkIII DM sound ---> ruclips.net/video/SKsTNSm4st4/видео.html The bonus: You can put a patch cable in the FX-loop of all 3 types of 900's to fatten it up (dial in the sensitivity next to the in and out of the loop to find the sweet spot) FWIW I used to have a 100W JCM900 Model 2100 Dual Mastervolume (my 1st tube amp, after the mandatory Gorilla (with growl))
I play a JCM 900 4500 and boosted with a Wampler Triumph sounds 👌 with all my guitars. I also run an inexpensive Mosky Silver Horse ans you get a nice warmer tone. My JCM 2000 DSL 100 isn't working right now so i haven't had a chance to try those pedals on it.
I prefer the 900's slightly beefier sound. A little less high-end, more rounded, if u know what I mean :) The amp simulator was OK, but pales in direct A-B-C comparison between the three. Good and informative video.
If those deaf Marshall guys can build a flux capacitor and find a Delorean to put it in, they can bend space-time and time travel back to the 1990s and buy a Soldano Astroverb so that it will sound good without having to crank it (because the preamp is designed correctly).
I have had multiple jcm 800 and played lots of 900. There is no way that jcm 900 channel A sounds excactly like a jcm 800 2204 in a live situation. Is it possible that RUclips land compresses the sound to all sound the same?
It's the I.R's he's using. These I.R's tend to make all different amps sound pretty much the same. When in a live situation through a CABINET, they are very different. those who have the 900 & love them have just not A/B with an 800 2203/4. Then they would hear the difference.
Holy shiz my main sound for the first few years I was touring was a SG faded with the crescent moon inlays alongside a 4500. I loved it. Still have the SG, but the 4500 lives at the studio
Man, awesome comparison! I don't like the 800 2203/2204, they're too scooped and harsh for my taste, I like the 800 2205/2210! The 900 4500 kind reminds me the 800 2205, very middy and less harsh on the top end.
@@CaliforniaRailfanner as I said before it's a Marshall, it has mids obviously, but compared with my 800 2210 or my Silver Jubilee the 2203 82 was harsh and scooped as hell.
900's are just as good or even better than 800's. That's all.. simple as is. I play lower gain stuff (acdc ect.. ). The A channel is just amazing. Even more with a power attenuator. Amazing amps.
compared amplitube 8000 and th - u model, and th-u was much more dull and less responsive to dynamics. ( i use single coils and tried to balance input levels). Did you compare th - u with amplitube? may you comment please, i want to buy one of them tonex + amplitube or th-u premium while winter sales and th - u have a lot effects i interested in, but amplitube sounds and response more live at all in my opinion. As i understand "drive" knob means pre amp, so volume is "master"? what level knob designed for?
Which Amplitube version? Amplitube 5 is a lot newer than TH-U. I haven't used V5 but TH-U is better than Amplitube 4. But yeah, while the tone is pretty close, it lacks dynamic response, it's less punchy. I've used the 800 and 900 TH-U models for a long time but recently switched to Neural Amp Modeler captures and with some tweaking it sounds the same as my old presets but definitely better and more responsive. It's a lot more CPU intensive though. From what I've heard NAM is a bit more accurate than ToneX but not as easy to use. About the level knob on the TH-U models, it's just plain volume adjustment, without simulation of how an amp reacts.
@@SamFisher338 i compared with amplitube 5. anyway i bought thu,...actually i really don`t know why i bought thu, because amplitube had better responsiveness for my play. I don`t want to get into Nam, because i need smooth midi control and visual representation of signal chain for both studio and live, so thu maybe only one can make both for me even if it`s dynamics poor at all
Maybe you should’ve tried the overloud with a physical ts808 in front of the interface preamp. Amp sims are great in Overloud but combined with pedals is a whole different story IME. Thanks for the video.
@@CraigJSmithMusic I’ve done extensive testing with dozens of drives and my favourite with Amp sims is the modded TS808 from Earthquaker devices ( either dunes or Palisades). The setup I ended up with after years of testing this is guitar>drive>preamp pedal > preamp interface> amp sim at point of break up or a bit over that if I use distortion instead of OD. Just in case in helps.
@@CraigJSmithMusic I always prefer to drive a real preamp pedal like an echoplex belle epoch deluxe or a more transparent preamp and use the amp sim as the last thing in the chain. That way you rely a bit less in the digital modelling ot at least not entirely and it sounds much better IMO.
@@gonebymidnight2881 cool I’ve never tried the EQD drives but I’ve heard good things. I have the Maxon OD808 and the Horizon Devices Precision Drive right now.
@@CraigJSmithMusic those EQD drives are the best I’ve heard, they are super versatile. You can recreate the clipping stage of a Klon and many other pedals with them. I’ve spent a fortune on boutique pedals which I eventually sold. Now I have a JHS Crimson fuzz ehich is amazing even though the EQD hoof is as good if not better. i have an EQD Dunes ( though I miss the extra preamp in the EQD Palisades) and I also have a Boss DS-2 then I have an echoplex preamp and a CE-1 preamp pedal. I’ve bought a few pedals in the past which did not like amp sims, 2 jhs pedals and 1 EQD that I remember but these work amazing.
In retrospect, the gain was too low going into TH-U. If the input signal is stronger, it sounds closer to the amp’s distortion. Sorry about that - my bad
@@CraigJSmithMusic no need to sorry, thank you for comparison, i just try to setup my input lvl for single coils to make it most close to original amps. i switching between 6 to 8 on my RME with +13db setting. 8.5 - 9 is proper by thu setup level meter recommendations but in this case clean tones are louder than overdriven( even at 7 db), and i may have clipping when switching to bridge humbucker, so i stayed at 6.5 but in this case looks like gain not enough for some amps.
It is not a giant difference to me because I had 900 and I now have just 2000 and they all put out. It comes down to the player 800 ,900,2000,plexi.jvm it’s the Marshall amp that’s what’s up. Hendrix played fenders and he made it happen long before he was plugged into Britain sounds. They make a big deal out this or that but it’s the player who is the game changer.👂👂👂👂
have the same guitars and better. My amp is the JCM900 2x12 and other great amps. Why doesnt my gear sound the same? I use a TS808 and a plethora of other good stuff. I really SUCK! How's that?
Just give me a 79 JMP 100W and I will give you my JCM 900 Dual Reverb 100w any day.... Does anyone know what is wrong with a JCM 50W Split Channel Reverb combo amp that makes a loud pop when you you flip the power switch off? If you have a ungrounded 2wire plug equalizer plugged in it is even more louder when powering off?
All these video's using IR's don't show the Tonal differences between each amp. It's not the same as using a cabinet. Use that Orange cabinet and lets see please. Thx.
Maybe I’ll give that a try sometime. I was using IRs as a convenient way to keep things consistent between amps. But it could be interesting trying them both through the cab!
Channel B has much more gain and is a little more scooped and aggressive compared to channel A. For this video I dialed each amp/channel in to what I thought sounded good for the part, which were similar tones.
The JCM 900 just sounds clanky and thin. It’s too scooped and misses the power that comes when the pick rips into the strings ; that sort of growl that Marshall’s are known for in the low mids and mids. Awesome demo though!
Sorry thu overload are fantatic but i think 300 for this soft, this week i purchase a second hand slx JCM900 for 400..... mmmm i'm very happy with bad fame of this amp
i hate these videos that a classic amp gets put through a lap top. put the amps through a 412 and mic it. it sounds so compressed and artificial. i could get this sound through a $50 line 6 toneport
I agree, no pedals, no laptop….. We as listeners are watching to see the sound of the amps in their raw form before all the other stuff is added that completely changes the sound.
Then why watch this video? You are entitled to your own opinion on tone and everyone has different tastes in things related to guitar. However being a troll on a random youtube video makes you look kinda dumb ngl
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Hey guys! I just uploaded a second Marshall shootout which also includes a hand-wired Ceriatone clone! For those interested, here is the link: ruclips.net/video/X2YVffow5zU/видео.html
slightly different voicings but all a similar vibe and useable. Impressed that TH-U hangs with them just fine, it's a really great amp sim
My 50 watt 900 was my first tube amp ever, and it's still my favorite. The 800 is certainly iconic, but my 900, unboosted, with my 79 Les Paul is the perfect tone combo to me.
The 900 was my first real tube amp as well!
It's a great amp that doesn't get enough respect.
@@CaliforniaRailfanner well, that's your opinion. That's the thing about tone... it's completely subjective. Don't believe me? Listen to Early Van Halen and the Randy Rhodes Ozzy records. Rhodes was an amazing player, but his tone was kind of god awful compared to EVH in the same time period. I don't mind if most people prefer the 800. I love my 900 and have yet to met a guitarist who has stood in front of it while it was cranked who didn't think it was a complete monster.
@@mikelovesguitars402 I don't understand the comparison of Rhodes to EVH? They both used early Marshalls. they used different speakers and had their amps setup differently. So what does that have to do with a 900?
@@guitarexpert2245 the point, simply is that tone is subjective. They both played similar gear at a similar time, but EVH's tone is subjectively fantastic, while Rhodes' tone is subjectively... much less so. But I'm sure he thought it was great at the time. Basically, the 800 and 900 are different amps, so they sound different. Different doesn't necessarily mean one is awesome while the other is garbage. Yes, the 800 is a great amp, but the 900 being different doesn't automatically make it bad. I've heard lots of guitar players make 900s sound great. Just because you prefer the 800 doesn't mean other players are wrong for liking the 900.
Awesome comparison. I enjoyed every note you played man! This video is one of the best proofs around that JCM 900 is not worse, but just different than JCM800. I would go for JCM900 over JCM800, even for rock / hard rock, not only for metal. Thank you for this video man!
Thanks! I like them both as well! I don’t know whether I just got lucky and found a great 900 but I’ve always liked it. It’s darker, a bit more compressed, and feels tighter to play, but they’re pretty similar especially in a mix. After I recorded this, I had the 800 serviced and it tamed the harsh brightness a bit, but not enough to warrant redoing the shootout
If I recall the 900's have clipping diodes which adds a bit more "roundness" the upper mids. Nothing wrong with that.
@@guidobandido8182 to be honest, i am not competent enough to comment cliping diodes, tubes and what not. Im pretty sure you would agree with me, only what matters in the end is the SOUND. I dont care if the amp has tubes, cliping diodes, worms, ants or water inside to make it sound good, as long as it sounds good to my ears =)
@@guidobandido8182 yeah! The 900s, along with the 800 models 2205 and 2210, as well as the silver jubilee all incorporate solid state clipping to increase distortion. But don’t listen to the snobs, all of those amps are classics and each has its own unique qualities. In the 900 the distortion is tight in the low end and rounded off highs. I think it sounds great depending on the context!
@@guidobandido8182 There are 3 main types of 900. (Bonus at the bottom)
MkIII Dual Mastervolume has diodes somewhere in the pre amp section (you can dial out the clipping of these diodes). Has 1 channel.
Dual Reverb has OP amps in the pre amp section (not sure how this beast works, the so-called pre amp tubes are after the gain stages in this amp). Has 2 channels
SL-X has an extra tube in the pre amp section. 1 channel.
B.t.w. not judging. They are the right tool, in the right situation.
For what I consider a good 900 MkIII DM sound ---> ruclips.net/video/SKsTNSm4st4/видео.html
The bonus: You can put a patch cable in the FX-loop of all 3 types of 900's to fatten it up (dial in the sensitivity next to the in and out of the loop to find the sweet spot)
FWIW I used to have a 100W JCM900 Model 2100 Dual Mastervolume (my 1st tube amp, after the mandatory Gorilla (with growl))
Got no Idea why so few views, thank you for the comparison!
They all sound identical to me
Killer tone and I love your SG Special Faded.
Great video! Nicely shot 😊
Nice video! I have jcm900 head and combo too, they are very good
Good Comparison
I play a JCM 900 4500 and boosted with a Wampler Triumph sounds 👌 with all my guitars. I also run an inexpensive Mosky Silver Horse ans you get a nice warmer tone. My JCM 2000 DSL 100 isn't working right now so i haven't had a chance to try those pedals on it.
Both are just as good sounding to me.
I prefer the 900's slightly beefier sound. A little less high-end, more rounded, if u know what I mean :) The amp simulator was OK, but pales in direct A-B-C comparison between the three. Good and informative video.
Early 90s called, they want their amps back. Every marshall guy called, they want their hearing back.
If those deaf Marshall guys can build a flux capacitor and find a Delorean to put it in, they can bend space-time and time travel back to the 1990s and buy a Soldano Astroverb so that it will sound good without having to crank it (because the preamp is designed correctly).
I have had multiple jcm 800 and played lots of 900. There is no way that jcm 900 channel A sounds excactly like a jcm 800 2204 in a live situation. Is it possible that RUclips land compresses the sound to all sound the same?
That would be a LOT of not just compression, but degradation. So, no. It doesn't boil down to compression.
It's the I.R's he's using. These I.R's tend to make all different amps sound pretty much the same. When in a live situation through a CABINET, they are very different. those who have the 900 & love them have just not A/B with an 800 2203/4. Then they would hear the difference.
There are many variables to adjust to get good sound on utube.
But I do believe utube does color any music or for that matter sound.
Holy shiz my main sound for the first few years I was touring was a SG faded with the crescent moon inlays alongside a 4500. I loved it. Still have the SG, but the 4500 lives at the studio
Haha nice! It’s a cool combo! I always get a kick out of seeing other people with the crescent moon SGs
As expected, the plugin sounds a bit thin. But wow the tone is very good!
Man, awesome comparison!
I don't like the 800 2203/2204, they're too scooped and harsh for my taste, I like the 800 2205/2210! The 900 4500 kind reminds me the 800 2205, very middy and less harsh on the top end.
Own both and the 900 is better. The bleedthrough is a real problem on some 2205 versions.
@@Black-Maple the later ones don't have this issue, I have both from 87!
I've never heard of a Marshall 2203/2204 as scooped. How many have you played?
@@VitaTristis Scooped compared to 2205/2210, I had two 2203, one from 97 Guitar Center Special Edition and one vertical inputs from 82.
@@CaliforniaRailfanner as I said before it's a Marshall, it has mids obviously, but compared with my 800 2210 or my Silver Jubilee the 2203 82 was harsh and scooped as hell.
900's are just as good or even better than 800's. That's all.. simple as is.
I play lower gain stuff (acdc ect.. ). The A channel is just amazing. Even more with a power attenuator. Amazing amps.
When I did this shootout it really surprised me how much I liked the 900 for the lower/mid gain part. They’re definitely underrated
Dude doesn't sound like you ever owned or played a 2203/4? Because there is no comparison.
I understand the difference. I'm fine with either 800 or 900 if I got to have one.
Your tone reminds me so much of Thin Lizzy. Sweet
compared amplitube 8000 and th - u model, and th-u was much more dull and less responsive to dynamics. ( i use single coils and tried to balance input levels). Did you compare th - u with amplitube? may you comment please, i want to buy one of them tonex + amplitube or th-u premium while winter sales and th - u have a lot effects i interested in, but amplitube sounds and response more live at all in my opinion.
As i understand "drive" knob means pre amp, so volume is "master"? what level knob designed for?
Which Amplitube version? Amplitube 5 is a lot newer than TH-U. I haven't used V5 but TH-U is better than Amplitube 4. But yeah, while the tone is pretty close, it lacks dynamic response, it's less punchy. I've used the 800 and 900 TH-U models for a long time but recently switched to Neural Amp Modeler captures and with some tweaking it sounds the same as my old presets but definitely better and more responsive. It's a lot more CPU intensive though. From what I've heard NAM is a bit more accurate than ToneX but not as easy to use.
About the level knob on the TH-U models, it's just plain volume adjustment, without simulation of how an amp reacts.
@@SamFisher338 i compared with amplitube 5. anyway i bought thu,...actually i really don`t know why i bought thu, because amplitube had better responsiveness for my play. I don`t want to get into Nam, because i need smooth midi control and visual representation of signal chain for both studio and live, so thu maybe only one can make both for me even if it`s dynamics poor at all
Nice work! JCM 800 win! 😃👊🤘
Maybe you should’ve tried the overloud with a physical ts808 in front of the interface preamp. Amp sims are great in Overloud but combined with pedals is a whole different story IME. Thanks for the video.
That’s something I could definitely try in the future. I’d also like to compare different drives too
@@CraigJSmithMusic I’ve done extensive testing with dozens of drives and my favourite with Amp sims is the modded TS808 from Earthquaker devices ( either dunes or Palisades). The setup I ended up with after years of testing this is guitar>drive>preamp pedal > preamp interface> amp sim at point of break up or a bit over that if I use distortion instead of OD. Just in case in helps.
@@CraigJSmithMusic I always prefer to drive a real preamp pedal like an echoplex belle epoch deluxe or a more transparent preamp and use the amp sim as the last thing in the chain. That way you rely a bit less in the digital modelling ot at least not entirely and it sounds much better IMO.
@@gonebymidnight2881 cool I’ve never tried the EQD drives but I’ve heard good things. I have the Maxon OD808 and the Horizon Devices Precision Drive right now.
@@CraigJSmithMusic those EQD drives are the best I’ve heard, they are super versatile. You can recreate the clipping stage of a Klon and many other pedals with them. I’ve spent a fortune on boutique pedals which I eventually sold. Now I have a JHS Crimson fuzz ehich is amazing even though the EQD hoof is as good if not better. i have an EQD Dunes ( though I miss the extra preamp in the EQD Palisades) and I also have a Boss DS-2 then I have an echoplex preamp and a CE-1 preamp pedal. I’ve bought a few pedals in the past which did not like amp sims, 2 jhs pedals and 1 EQD that I remember but these work amazing.
Can you tell please your input level of audiointerface ? Peak level i mean. Feels like thu has less gain and compression
In retrospect, the gain was too low going into TH-U. If the input signal is stronger, it sounds closer to the amp’s distortion. Sorry about that - my bad
@@CraigJSmithMusic no need to sorry, thank you for comparison, i just try to setup my input lvl for single coils to make it most close to original amps. i switching between 6 to 8 on my RME with +13db setting. 8.5 - 9 is proper by thu setup level meter recommendations but in this case clean tones are louder than overdriven( even at 7 db), and i may have clipping when switching to bridge humbucker, so i stayed at 6.5 but in this case looks like gain not enough for some amps.
0:33 Is that a Valvestate?
It is, good eye!
@@CraigJSmithMusic I have one it's a 8080 👍
It is not a giant difference to me because I had 900 and I now have just 2000 and they all put out. It comes down to the player 800 ,900,2000,plexi.jvm it’s the Marshall amp that’s what’s up. Hendrix played fenders and he made it happen long before he was plugged into Britain sounds. They make a big deal out this or that but it’s the player who is the game changer.👂👂👂👂
Juicy and sizzly!
have the same guitars and better. My amp is the JCM900 2x12 and other great amps. Why doesnt my gear sound the same? I use a TS808 and a plethora of other good stuff. I really SUCK! How's that?
Good comparison.JCM 800 noticeably better, but 900 also very good.
Ih-u is between IR too? Or only program?
nice shootout video. i have a 900 4100 version and that thing just kills.
Kills what?
800 all the way
Just give me a 79 JMP 100W and I will give you my JCM 900 Dual Reverb 100w any day.... Does anyone know what is wrong with a JCM 50W Split Channel Reverb combo amp that makes a loud pop when you you flip the power switch off? If you have a ungrounded 2wire plug equalizer plugged in it is even more louder when powering off?
All these video's using IR's don't show the Tonal differences between each amp. It's not the same as using a cabinet. Use that Orange cabinet and lets see please. Thx.
Maybe I’ll give that a try sometime. I was using IRs as a convenient way to keep things consistent between amps. But it could be interesting trying them both through the cab!
Does Channel B really sound different on the 900?
Channel B has much more gain and is a little more scooped and aggressive compared to channel A. For this video I dialed each amp/channel in to what I thought sounded good for the part, which were similar tones.
All I can say is the VST sounds awful in comparison. The JCM 900 edges over the 800 IMO as it's more rounded isolated, in the mix they're both great.
I prefer my DSL100! lol
You can e.q. a turd and make it sound good. All this gear is amazing tho. Amazing! Great playing
800 Is haeder ... More in the face, 900 Is smoother , more mids and slighly darker
I'd take a JCM 900 over the 800 any day
The JCM 900 just sounds clanky and thin. It’s too scooped and misses the power that comes when the pick rips into the strings ; that sort of growl that Marshall’s are known for in the low mids and mids. Awesome demo though!
Sorry thu overload are fantatic but i think 300 for this soft, this week i purchase a second hand slx JCM900 for 400..... mmmm i'm very happy with bad fame of this amp
i hate these videos that a classic amp gets put through a lap top. put the amps through a 412 and mic it. it sounds so compressed and artificial. i could get this sound through a $50 line 6 toneport
Tell it like it is olde school..agreed 💯
I agree, no pedals, no laptop….. We as listeners are watching to see the sound of the amps in their raw form before all the other stuff is added that completely changes the sound.
Sounds like dragging garbage.
900 sounds mushy. 800 has that pick attack.
Just a matter of setting.. own both. Only high gains on this vid thgrough.. we don't really feel the tone.
@@Black-Maple the only 900 that has that pick attack is the SL-X.
I guess I'm the only one in the world who hates Marshall amps and thinks they're pieces of shits lol
Then why are you lurking around a well done Marshall demonstration for dipshit?
Then why watch this video? You are entitled to your own opinion on tone and everyone has different tastes in things related to guitar. However being a troll on a random youtube video makes you look kinda dumb ngl
you have bad ears. get new pairs. don't just be diffirent for the sake of it, it's stupid