I would like to correct a small mistake made. The only Eastern Orthodox Church to use the Gregorian calendar is the Orthodox Church of Finland, because they are mandated to by the Finnish government. The majority of Orthodox Churches use the _Revised Julian_ Calendar for fixed feasts, while the rest use the Julian calendar for fixed feasts. Movable feasts are always on the Julian calendar.
@anycyclopedia it has a more in depth and accurate calculation, the only substantive differences will appear in around 500 years But no, it's not based on the gregorian, but the equation it has for dates uses a lot of the same logic
The Russians also celebrate Christmas in January, not in December… they are more correct in that sense, but personally I don’t really understand what the big deal is. Surely it’s worse to condemn others over something as petty as a date.
The Finnish government does not mandate the use of calendar in the orthodox church. In the last year the OCoF had vote about going back to the old calendar, but the church decided not to. The reason was not because of the government, it had nothing to do with it. Where did you even got that idea?
Wikipedia: ”Lokakuussa 1917 Valamossa pidetty Suomen ortodoksisen kirkon kirkolliskokous hyväksyi ehdotuksen siirtymisestä uuteen ajanlaskuun eli meletiaaniseen (= gregoriaaniseen) kalenteriin, mutta päätökselle oli vielä silloin saatava Venäjän kirkon hyväksyminen.” The decision to chance the calendar on the orthodox church of Finland was made in the church. After the decision the church used two calendars at the same time, that made the situation very conplex, that was the moment when government intervined to solve the calendar use.
Yes, but if you look at the original video (from which this clip was excerpted), it's clear why: If the clip had not abruptly ended at that point, it would have included material about unrelated matters.
The majority of Eastern Orthodox Churches use the Revised Julian Calendar. However, the overwhelming majority of E.O. Christians use the old Julian Calendar since the Churches that use the Julian Calendar have the most members. The old JULIAN CALENDAR is used by the Russian Orthodox Church, Serbian Orthodox Church, Georgian Orthodox Church, Ukrainian Orthodox Church (MP), Byelorussian Exarchate of the Russian Orthodox Church, Macedonian Orthodox Church, and Polish Orthodox Church.
Honestly that's one of the biggest things I'm looking forward to if I go there. I can't wait to ask God all these questions and finally know the true answer. Even though He's probably gonna say something like "Don't worry about that anymore those are the former things"
@gknight686 you can ask him now, he is way more receptive than you think. True humility and openness and purity are still needed from you though for clear communication.
The new calendar EO Churches use what's called the new Julian calendar and not the Gregorian calendar. It can be confusing because many of the days are the same but the new Julian calendar still has our pascha (Easter) on the same day as the old calendar.
The former resulted when Patriarch Nikon revised the liturgical books to be more in line with the then-current Greek practices in the mid-17th century. Some of them went off the deep end and started saying that the episcopate had vanished from the earth. Others found various ways of trying to establish their own hierarchy, and usually one has the latter in mind (“Priested Old Believers” as opposed to “Priestless Old Believers”) when speaking of them.
Like all of the different Baptist , Presbyterian , Methodists , AME churches . The confusion of regormationist Protestant churches . Right John Knox junior ?
Becouse they manny of them dont have apostolick sucsesion and the ones that do can only be reseved back in to the church be the ones wo excumuncatet them aka the uoc
Orthodoxy is the one true Church just as long as you listen to this Bishop and not this one, read this guys writings but not this other one. We also dont have a consistent teaching on contraception and divorce and remarriage.
Thanks for saying this. As a Catholic who says that one benefit of catholicism is the disunity of orthodox (not even me saying catholicism is correct, just one area in which it is better), I get gaslit by orthodox all the time who pretend like theyre more unified than catholicism because of some online radtrads. I love my orthodox brothers and sisters, and I appreciate you being honest with this so I dont feel crazy.
@@superdubman999Right, like there isnt many different types of Roman Catholic churches.The list-of independent Roman Catholic is large. So no a pope doesn’t bring unity.
@@shobudski6776 And all those rites are under one bishop of Rome. Regardless, one time I was on a road and saw a Serbian Orthodox Church right across the street from a Romanian Orthodox church. Why? Just be one church. There's no way they are both full. The idea of national churches outside of ones own country is silly.
Additional factoid about old calendarists: Some old calendarists rejoined the Orthodox church, in the early 2000s. Namely the ROCOR (Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia) church. Some decided not to join the rest, and to this day they are called ROCA (Russian Orthodox Church Abroad). May we be One, even as the Father and Son are One.
Eastern Orthodox: "You may sit on the council, but we deny you the title of Orthodox." Oriental Orthodox: "It's not fair!" Catholics: "Has anyone ever told you the story of the Synod of Jerusalem? I suppose not, it's not a story and Orthodox would tell."
Anyone with an iota of knowledge of Orthodoxy knows about the Synod of Jerusalem and St. Dositheus. It's not that hard to find and read the council of Jerusalem.
The OCU was NOt created out of self-ordained or schismatic groups. That is a slander leveled at the Ukrianian Orthodox Church by the Russians. The history of Orthodoxy in Ukraine is complex but you might want to get some information about it.
My wife and I had a date on 19 January and I asked her to be my girlfriend on the 20th (after midnight). Should I break up with her because I disagree on the day we started dating?
Toxic Catholics are honestly the best missionaries the Orthodox and Protestants could wish for. And there are so many of you out there. If Catholicism is to be known by its fruits, then that is terrible news for Catholics indeed. But bless your little hearts. ❤ Merry Christmas from an ex-Catholic, from an entire family of ex-Catholics. People like you made the process so much easier. ❤
Clueless. When Christ established His church, Rome was one of 5 original patriarchs. Rome caused the schism and cut themselves off from 80% of the church. Then, in 1204, when they went to help the East with the Muslim invasion, they took it upon themselves to attack Constantinople, destroying their churches and killed the priests and nuns. It was this when everyone knew Rome was no longer with them. Don't get me started on all the Sedivacantists in Rome, and traditional lay driving two hours to a TLM or to groups like the SSPX or FSSP to find a sliver of tradition left outside of your 1960s Novus Ordo. Despite the small problems in Orthodoxy because of the current war, the lay are united in the divine liturgy. A liturgy that has been unchanged for 1,600 years. Have fun with your acoustic guitars playing while lay women hand out the Eucharist by hand.
@@JaceyMitchelldid you convert to Eastern Orthodox? I’m a Roman Catholic studying the two churches trying to find out which is the closest to the truth but it’s hard. I respect both
@sihtnaelkk2187 it's a good thing that there is a universal standard that can be applied to find out who is in the Catholic church. Sedevacantists reject the pope and are therefore schismatic. Constantinople and Russia are in schism with each other and they are the 2 biggest patriarchates.
99.999999999% of Catholics are part of the organization based in Rome. For "Orthodox", it depends "which orthodox". The Orthodox churches are not one in organization, body, authority, governance, finance, belief, etc.
@@sihtnaelkk2187 The true Catholic church is the one based in Rome. Which orthodox church is the true church? (Careful, the Greeks and Russians are in schism!)
@@sihtnaelkk2187Yes, it really is. There's no "which Catholicism", because if you reject the pope you automatically put yourself beyond Catholic faith. Plain and simple. And even without Old Calendarists the Orthodoox Church(es) are so divided on themes of contraception, re-baptism, divorce, jurisdiction and many others that calling them one Orthodox faith is a joke.
I am an "Old calendarist" "schismatic" Traditionalist Orthodox Christian My church and my people, are simply traditionalist Orthodox Christians We cannot be under freemason bishops We cannot be under World council of Churches bishops And we cannot be under bishops who are Globalist, modernist, ecumenists There was no orthodox council to change the calendar. The EP acted like the pope and just did this change on behalf of the entire Orthodox church There was no council to Lift the anathemas against the Roman Catholic church. But again the EP just did so There was no council to permit the orthodox church to join and be a member of the WCC (World council of churches) The justification of all these globalistic, modernistic, ecumenistic things. Is that, (we cannot seperate from the patriarch, no matter what he does, even if does heretical things, even if he does things against the cannons, traditions, and scripture. If you seperate from an Orthodox patriarch, you are uncanonical and schismatic) This is Roman Catholic Theology. You must follow the pope, even if he is the devil. By virtue of his aurhorithy alone he is always correct and will never depart from true "canonical" christianity Godbless everyone, i love my Orthodox brothers in christ. But we cannot be under bishop Arius, or nestorius, or the iconoclast/papist bishops. This is what it means to be a traditionalist Orthodox christian.
I agree that there was no ecumenical council to lift the anathema on the RCC but I don't recall any ecumenical council to put the anathema on the RCC. That decision was also taken without any council decision, but you happily accept that don't you? According to you all decisions are to be taken in a council? Are there any decisions which the bishop can take without a council?
There was no council to change the calendar because it was done individually by each Patriarchate. The EP changed the calendar for his Patriarchate alone. That does not require a council There was no council to lift the anathemas against Rome, because there was no need for one. The EP laid the anathemas, only they can lift them and can do so without consulting any other bishop. A bishop does not need to hold a council to lift anathemas he himself set
@@beckett7601 Godbless you brother, however I think you are missing the forest for the Trees, The calendar change, the lifting of the anathemas against the RCC, These are symptoms of the disease Orthodox bishops are openly praying with Jews, Muslims, and Roman catholics. Orthodox bishops are openly and literally doing Heretical things. Anyone who sees what they do in the world council of churches can see the truth However There's a split in the Orthodox faith with this. Modernism, progressivism, globalism, freemasonry, Ecumenism, has and is destroying our faith. There are the Orthodox who support this and who justify these things. Then there are the Orthodox who are against these things and cannot be a part of it
İt's really interesting that both "eastern" and "oriental" means, well, eastern/oriental. 😅 İ'm wondering though if there's such thing as "Western" and/or "Occidental" Orthodox church? Or is the Catholic church basically Western Orthodox and Protestants = Occidental Orthodox ?
The Catholic and Protestant churches are considered heterodox by the orthodox in my understanding. The catholics believe themselves to be orthodox, just as every other church does, but the name of Orthodox comes from the Orthodox Church that spread everywhere. After the great schism, the Catholics chose the name Catholic to be “all-inclusive” and the Orthodox chose their name because they “worship correctly”. That’s my opinion
Up until the Vatican II we in the West also often called the Roman church Orthodox. The problem is the term is not from the council of Nicea but no less than St Ireneus time. All authentic churches have Catholic in their name, which means universal.
@@eraimattei oh very interesting! I would also like to learn more about the church history from reading, not just RUclips 😂 I’m Greek Orthodox… but it’s very hard to learn everything, even just reading the whole Bible, nevermind going through the church fathers and then the history of the church… especially with work and family commitments. The people that do find time for all of this are very commendable
Catholicism is actually orthodox and the Orthodox Church is heterodox. This is what happens when there is not one approved authority. Jesus wishes us all to be one. One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
It is hilarious to see an OCA priest complaining about the orthodoxy of another Orthodox denomination, considering the OCA's checkered background with a gnostic cult and late influx of ex-Episcopalians. There's something about those who live in glass rectories not throwing stones.
@@daveeggleston8218 1. It's not a Patriarchate. It's a Metropolis under the Ecumenical Patriarchate 2. It was established illegally according to the Canons of the 2nd, 3rd, and 6th Ecumenical Councils by establishing a parallel see on an established Territory of another Patriarchate 3. It is made up of unvested Laymen who assault Priests and their Flocks No. They are not Orthodox in any way shape or form and comparing them with the OCA, which is recognized as a valid body by all other Autocephalous Synods in one way or another.
There are a new tipe of so called orthodox churces, which create even more problems. some of These are made by priests who werre excluded from Chruch or who never been in clergy but they call themselves priests, monks, bishops...
Because they can’t even agree on basic dogma. There is only one Orthodox Faith, and divisions or conflicts within the church, are mostly politically motivated, nothing to do with doctrine l.
The "divisions" in Orthodoxy are few and small, with the entire church still maintaining its fundamental theology, teachings and sacraments, keeping the same faith passed down for so long. Splits are also seen in Catholicism with the old catholics, sedevacantists and independent Catholics forming as schismatics
@@andrewward5891 yes, which is a great shame as this whole conflict is in the interest of men and not of God, and surely our prayers are for all who die in that war. Men are fallible, the church isn't
United Sacramentally and Theologically and by apostolic succession. I assume you're going to say the Church of the first millennium wasn't united either considering it had similar if not worse problems.
@joshuaparsons887 not according to the orthodox themselves bro. They can't agree on who is actually orthodox. Some even say baptism is only valid by triple immersion by one of there own priests, others recognize any trinitarian baptism. So when you say they're united, again I ask WHICH ONES? there are multiple and they all disagree on who is actually orthodox. Some are fine with contraception, others recognize it is grave evil. Same with divorce.
@@hamie7624 different ideas about how rebaptism works doesn't make someone not Orthodox? It isn't a dogmatically defined issue yet and so it's fine to have different ideas. It's dogmatic issues that decide ones Orthodoxy.
Thank you. This just shows that the whole Orthodox rhetoric of “the one true church” is laughable. The Orthodox Church is not united, has variation in tradition and in doctrine. Come to the Sola Scriptura circle already.
I would like to correct a small mistake made. The only Eastern Orthodox Church to use the Gregorian calendar is the Orthodox Church of Finland, because they are mandated to by the Finnish government. The majority of Orthodox Churches use the _Revised Julian_ Calendar for fixed feasts, while the rest use the Julian calendar for fixed feasts. Movable feasts are always on the Julian calendar.
Isn't the Revised Julian Calendar based on the Gregorian Calendar?
@anycyclopedia it has a more in depth and accurate calculation, the only substantive differences will appear in around 500 years
But no, it's not based on the gregorian, but the equation it has for dates uses a lot of the same logic
The Russians also celebrate Christmas in January, not in December… they are more correct in that sense, but personally I don’t really understand what the big deal is. Surely it’s worse to condemn others over something as petty as a date.
The Finnish government does not mandate the use of calendar in the orthodox church. In the last year the OCoF had vote about going back to the old calendar, but the church decided not to. The reason was not because of the government, it had nothing to do with it.
Where did you even got that idea?
Wikipedia: ”Lokakuussa 1917 Valamossa pidetty Suomen ortodoksisen kirkon kirkolliskokous hyväksyi ehdotuksen siirtymisestä uuteen ajanlaskuun eli meletiaaniseen (= gregoriaaniseen) kalenteriin, mutta päätökselle oli vielä silloin saatava Venäjän kirkon hyväksyminen.”
The decision to chance the calendar on the orthodox church of Finland was made in the church. After the decision the church used two calendars at the same time, that made the situation very conplex, that was the moment when government intervined to solve the calendar use.
Did anyone else think the video just abruptly ended?
Yes, but if you look at the original video (from which this clip was excerpted), it's clear why: If the clip had not abruptly ended at that point, it would have included material about unrelated matters.
The majority of Eastern Orthodox Churches use the Revised Julian Calendar. However, the overwhelming majority of E.O. Christians use the old Julian Calendar since the Churches that use the Julian Calendar have the most members. The old JULIAN CALENDAR is used by the Russian Orthodox Church, Serbian Orthodox Church, Georgian Orthodox Church, Ukrainian Orthodox Church (MP), Byelorussian Exarchate of the Russian Orthodox Church, Macedonian Orthodox Church, and Polish Orthodox Church.
I believe Mt Athos still uses the Old Calendar as well.
Heaven will be GREAT where we’ll have complete understanding and no more misunderstandings or misinterpretations!
Very very very few will see it....
@@lanmarknetworking3034 bro stop scaring me
Honestly that's one of the biggest things I'm looking forward to if I go there. I can't wait to ask God all these questions and finally know the true answer. Even though He's probably gonna say something like "Don't worry about that anymore those are the former things"
@gknight686 you can ask him now, he is way more receptive than you think. True humility and openness and purity are still needed from you though for clear communication.
@@bucko3353bro I can smell the ego from here damn
The new calendar EO Churches use what's called the new Julian calendar and not the Gregorian calendar. It can be confusing because many of the days are the same but the new Julian calendar still has our pascha (Easter) on the same day as the old calendar.
at first, when i clicked on this video, i thought it was about fake parishes, pretending to be Orthodox, yet without official sanction.
We all must return to the one Holy catholic Apostolic Church of the Holy Fathers and the Ecumenical council's decision
It would be great to see different denomination's doctrinal view on the church's relationship to the government.
What about Old Believers? Are they the same group as Old Calendarists?
The former resulted when Patriarch Nikon revised the liturgical books to be more in line with the then-current Greek practices in the mid-17th century. Some of them went off the deep end and started saying that the episcopate had vanished from the earth. Others found various ways of trying to establish their own hierarchy, and usually one has the latter in mind (“Priested Old Believers” as opposed to “Priestless Old Believers”) when speaking of them.
Like all of the different Baptist , Presbyterian , Methodists , AME churches . The confusion of regormationist Protestant churches . Right John Knox junior ?
So why Orthodox Church of Ukraine isn’t orthodox? It has comunión with Ecumenical patriarchate
You know them by their fruits, they only provide theft and hate. I have faith our church will officially settle this matter soon
Becouse they manny of them dont have apostolick sucsesion and the ones that do can only be reseved back in to the church be the ones wo excumuncatet them aka the uoc
Orthodoxy is the one true Church just as long as you listen to this Bishop and not this one, read this guys writings but not this other one. We also dont have a consistent teaching on contraception and divorce and remarriage.
Ah must be a Catholic
Thanks for saying this. As a Catholic who says that one benefit of catholicism is the disunity of orthodox (not even me saying catholicism is correct, just one area in which it is better), I get gaslit by orthodox all the time who pretend like theyre more unified than catholicism because of some online radtrads. I love my orthodox brothers and sisters, and I appreciate you being honest with this so I dont feel crazy.
@@superdubman999Right, like there isnt many different types of Roman Catholic churches.The list-of independent Roman Catholic is large. So no a pope doesn’t bring unity.
@@shobudski6776 And all those rites are under one bishop of Rome. Regardless, one time I was on a road and saw a Serbian Orthodox Church right across the street from a Romanian Orthodox church. Why? Just be one church. There's no way they are both full. The idea of national churches outside of ones own country is silly.
@@shobudski6776 Those churches are heretical and do not accept the Pope.
It feels like this video was cut short and just sort of stopped suddenly. Was this on purpose?
Additional factoid about old calendarists: Some old calendarists rejoined the Orthodox church, in the early 2000s. Namely the ROCOR (Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia) church. Some decided not to join the rest, and to this day they are called ROCA (Russian Orthodox Church Abroad).
May we be One, even as the Father and Son are One.
Orthodoxy has Œcumenical Synods, not Ecumenical Councils.
Thanks for your informative video. 🎄☃🎄⛄🎄
Surprised this video didn't mention the group officially called the "American Orthodox Church" (not the OCA).
Eastern Orthodox: "You may sit on the council, but we deny you the title of Orthodox."
Oriental Orthodox: "It's not fair!"
Catholics: "Has anyone ever told you the story of the Synod of Jerusalem? I suppose not, it's not a story and Orthodox would tell."
Lol, please do tell
We tell that story all the time
Anyone with an iota of knowledge of Orthodoxy knows about the Synod of Jerusalem and St. Dositheus. It's not that hard to find and read the council of Jerusalem.
😂😂😂😂😂 Comparing the Catholics with a Sith lord! Too accurate!!!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The OCU was NOt created out of self-ordained or schismatic groups. That is a slander leveled at the Ukrianian Orthodox Church by the Russians. The history of Orthodoxy in Ukraine is complex but you might want to get some information about it.
The “which orthodox” objection still is valid in different forms
It really isn't, it's like asking "which Catholic" because of small unrecognized groups like Sedes, Palmarian, CMRI, etc
Different beliefs. Orthodox and different beliefs are mutually exclusive terms.
@@WanderingNous_DS Sedevacantists, Palmarians, and CMRI have excommunicated themselves since they do not accept the Pope.
Why post this on your second channel? This feels like main channel content.
It was on the main channel already, as part of a video (linked in description). I'm not posting clips on the main channel.
Isn't the word Oriental is just another word for Eastern? This is really confusing 😅
My wife and I had a date on 19 January and I asked her to be my girlfriend on the 20th (after midnight). Should I break up with her because I disagree on the day we started dating?
No.
@ agreed 😉
The wife is always right, you will break up if you don't agree you started at 19 😂
It depends on whether you are Orthodox or not.
@@luisarmandogarzareyes752 😂
Ahh the result of schism. Thank God for the One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church. One catechism, one baptism, one church. 🙏
The Roman Catholic Church was indeed the result of schism.
Sedevacantists💀💀💀🙏
Toxic Catholics are honestly the best missionaries the Orthodox and Protestants could wish for.
And there are so many of you out there.
If Catholicism is to be known by its fruits, then that is terrible news for Catholics indeed.
But bless your little hearts. ❤
Merry Christmas from an ex-Catholic, from an entire family of ex-Catholics. People like you made the process so much easier. ❤
Clueless. When Christ established His church, Rome was one of 5 original patriarchs. Rome caused the schism and cut themselves off from 80% of the church. Then, in 1204, when they went to help the East with the Muslim invasion, they took it upon themselves to attack Constantinople, destroying their churches and killed the priests and nuns. It was this when everyone knew Rome was no longer with them.
Don't get me started on all the Sedivacantists in Rome, and traditional lay driving two hours to a TLM or to groups like the SSPX or FSSP to find a sliver of tradition left outside of your 1960s Novus Ordo. Despite the small problems in Orthodoxy because of the current war, the lay are united in the divine liturgy. A liturgy that has been unchanged for 1,600 years. Have fun with your acoustic guitars playing while lay women hand out the Eucharist by hand.
@@JaceyMitchelldid you convert to Eastern Orthodox? I’m a Roman Catholic studying the two churches trying to find out which is the closest to the truth but it’s hard. I respect both
Most Orthodox still use the Julian calendar
This is why whenever someone says Orthodoxy is the true church the most effective answer is "which orthodox church?"
No it is not. If Old Calendarists count in "which orthodox" sedevacntists create an analogous "which catholic" question
@sihtnaelkk2187 it's a good thing that there is a universal standard that can be applied to find out who is in the Catholic church. Sedevacantists reject the pope and are therefore schismatic. Constantinople and Russia are in schism with each other and they are the 2 biggest patriarchates.
99.999999999% of Catholics are part of the organization based in Rome.
For "Orthodox", it depends "which orthodox". The Orthodox churches are not one in organization, body, authority, governance, finance, belief, etc.
@@sihtnaelkk2187 The true Catholic church is the one based in Rome. Which orthodox church is the true church? (Careful, the Greeks and Russians are in schism!)
@@sihtnaelkk2187Yes, it really is. There's no "which Catholicism", because if you reject the pope you automatically put yourself beyond Catholic faith. Plain and simple. And even without Old Calendarists the Orthodoox Church(es) are so divided on themes of contraception, re-baptism, divorce, jurisdiction and many others that calling them one Orthodox faith is a joke.
I am an "Old calendarist" "schismatic" Traditionalist Orthodox Christian
My church and my people, are simply traditionalist Orthodox Christians
We cannot be under freemason bishops
We cannot be under World council of Churches bishops
And we cannot be under bishops who are Globalist, modernist, ecumenists
There was no orthodox council to change the calendar. The EP acted like the pope and just did this change on behalf of the entire Orthodox church
There was no council to Lift the anathemas against the Roman Catholic church. But again the EP just did so
There was no council to permit the orthodox church to join and be a member of the WCC (World council of churches)
The justification of all these globalistic, modernistic, ecumenistic things.
Is that, (we cannot seperate from the patriarch, no matter what he does, even if does heretical things, even if he does things against the cannons, traditions, and scripture.
If you seperate from an Orthodox patriarch, you are uncanonical and schismatic)
This is Roman Catholic Theology.
You must follow the pope, even if he is the devil. By virtue of his aurhorithy alone he is always correct and will never depart from true "canonical" christianity
Godbless everyone, i love my Orthodox brothers in christ.
But we cannot be under bishop Arius, or nestorius, or the iconoclast/papist bishops.
This is what it means to be a traditionalist Orthodox christian.
Being under the bishop of Rome is being under St Peter
I agree that there was no ecumenical council to lift the anathema on the RCC but I don't recall any ecumenical council to put the anathema on the RCC. That decision was also taken without any council decision, but you happily accept that don't you? According to you all decisions are to be taken in a council? Are there any decisions which the bishop can take without a council?
There was no council to change the calendar because it was done individually by each Patriarchate. The EP changed the calendar for his Patriarchate alone. That does not require a council
There was no council to lift the anathemas against Rome, because there was no need for one. The EP laid the anathemas, only they can lift them and can do so without consulting any other bishop. A bishop does not need to hold a council to lift anathemas he himself set
@ he has no right to set anathema when no heresy has been spewed. By your logic, Athanasius of Alexandria is anathema because Arius said so
@@beckett7601
Godbless you brother, however
I think you are missing the forest for the Trees,
The calendar change, the lifting of the anathemas against the RCC,
These are symptoms of the disease
Orthodox bishops are openly praying with Jews, Muslims, and Roman catholics.
Orthodox bishops are openly and literally doing Heretical things.
Anyone who sees what they do in the world council of churches can see the truth
However There's a split in the Orthodox faith with this.
Modernism, progressivism, globalism, freemasonry, Ecumenism, has and is destroying our faith.
There are the Orthodox who support this and who justify these things.
Then there are the Orthodox who are against these things and cannot be a part of it
These videos end so abruptly.
Old Believers "Am I a JOKE to you?!"
So in the ORTHO DOX Church there is no orthodoxy.
İt's really interesting that both "eastern" and "oriental" means, well, eastern/oriental. 😅
İ'm wondering though if there's such thing as "Western" and/or "Occidental" Orthodox church?
Or is the Catholic church basically Western Orthodox and Protestants = Occidental Orthodox ?
There are Western-Rite Orthodox Parishes, but they are usually part of the Antiochian Orthodox Church.
@@ShawnComposeror ROCOR
The Catholic and Protestant churches are considered heterodox by the orthodox in my understanding. The catholics believe themselves to be orthodox, just as every other church does, but the name of Orthodox comes from the Orthodox Church that spread everywhere. After the great schism, the Catholics chose the name Catholic to be “all-inclusive” and the Orthodox chose their name because they “worship correctly”. That’s my opinion
Up until the Vatican II we in the West also often called the Roman church Orthodox. The problem is the term is not from the council of Nicea but no less than St Ireneus time. All authentic churches have Catholic in their name, which means universal.
@@eraimattei oh very interesting! I would also like to learn more about the church history from reading, not just RUclips 😂 I’m Greek Orthodox… but it’s very hard to learn everything, even just reading the whole Bible, nevermind going through the church fathers and then the history of the church… especially with work and family commitments. The people that do find time for all of this are very commendable
Wow so chaotic, thanks God I'm Catholic
Catholicism is actually orthodox and the Orthodox Church is heterodox. This is what happens when there is not one approved authority. Jesus wishes us all to be one. One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
The truth is more important. ☦️🙏
It is easy: it is schismatics and heritics, who call themselves Orthodox, that make it chaotic.
It is hilarious to see an OCA priest complaining about the orthodoxy of another Orthodox denomination, considering the OCA's checkered background with a gnostic cult and late influx of ex-Episcopalians. There's something about those who live in glass rectories not throwing stones.
the OCA is basically universally recognized as Orthodox
Which is my point exactly. If the OCA can be accepted as Orthodox, then the new Ukrainian patriarchate should as well.
@@daveeggleston8218
1. It's not a Patriarchate. It's a Metropolis under the Ecumenical Patriarchate
2. It was established illegally according to the Canons of the 2nd, 3rd, and 6th Ecumenical Councils by establishing a parallel see on an established Territory of another Patriarchate
3. It is made up of unvested Laymen who assault Priests and their Flocks
No. They are not Orthodox in any way shape or form and comparing them with the OCA, which is recognized as a valid body by all other Autocephalous Synods in one way or another.
@@daveeggleston8218ridiculous comparison, OCA has valid canonical ordination, Epiphony does not
There are a new tipe of so called orthodox churces, which create even more problems. some of These are made by priests who werre excluded from Chruch or who never been in clergy but they call themselves priests, monks, bishops...
And they say that Protestantism is divided 😂
Because they can’t even agree on basic dogma. There is only one Orthodox Faith, and divisions or conflicts within the church, are mostly politically motivated, nothing to do with doctrine l.
The "divisions" in Orthodoxy are few and small, with the entire church still maintaining its fundamental theology, teachings and sacraments, keeping the same faith passed down for so long. Splits are also seen in Catholicism with the old catholics, sedevacantists and independent Catholics forming as schismatics
@@cobalt618- the divisions between Ukrainian and Russian orthodox are pretty big. Like war big.
@@cobalt618 Contraception, Baptism and Marriage are fundamental theology Orthodox do not agree on.
@@andrewward5891 yes, which is a great shame as this whole conflict is in the interest of men and not of God, and surely our prayers are for all who die in that war. Men are fallible, the church isn't
I believe the Greek Old Calendarists are Orthodox. The OCU might not be Orthodox. But, my personal opinion is just that, my opinion.
You can't really call the oriental as orthodox since they left the church in the 400s, when east and west were still one Church
All the orthobros i talk to declare emphatically that orthodoxy is united...and its just so obviously not true.
Yeah when each nation has its own church and own leadership there’s no “one” church.
United Sacramentally and Theologically and by apostolic succession. I assume you're going to say the Church of the first millennium wasn't united either considering it had similar if not worse problems.
@@andrewward5891so there was no church in the first millennium?
@joshuaparsons887 not according to the orthodox themselves bro. They can't agree on who is actually orthodox. Some even say baptism is only valid by triple immersion by one of there own priests, others recognize any trinitarian baptism. So when you say they're united, again I ask WHICH ONES? there are multiple and they all disagree on who is actually orthodox. Some are fine with contraception, others recognize it is grave evil. Same with divorce.
@@hamie7624 different ideas about how rebaptism works doesn't make someone not Orthodox? It isn't a dogmatically defined issue yet and so it's fine to have different ideas. It's dogmatic issues that decide ones Orthodoxy.
This problem does not really exist in the Catholic church
I never knew such division exists !
They like to give the illusion that they're all united, but it's far from the truth.
Thank you. This just shows that the whole Orthodox rhetoric of “the one true church” is laughable. The Orthodox Church is not united, has variation in tradition and in doctrine. Come to the Sola Scriptura circle already.
So schismatics exist and therefore the Orthodox Church isn't the one true Church? Church of the first millennium didn't exist then.