3:43 Yea the drums on their own sound right ! Then depending on the record label and studio, the different processes could dramatically change the final sound. Alot of the drum breaks that are notoriously sampled for example have alot of room sound (maybe chamber, actually they did use a room with a speaker as a chamber in some cases) and distorted kick drums, but to tape. But your kit sounds good as a base.
Good to see someone using a real drum kit. Theese days when most people say "drums" they just load up some plugin, and the "kits" are all shitty 808 or 909 style sounds and I hate that.
There was hardly, if at all, muffling on 60's drum sounds. Drums were tuned high, like a jazz kit and usually with only 2 room mic's. Also, remember, they only had 4 track recording for most of the 60's and with all the bouncing/track reductions they did back then they had to make sure the instrument sound was dead on as they couldn't "fix it in the mix" as they do today.
Correct. I believe I mentioned the jazz tuning in the video the kicks tho definitely don't sound resonant. In part, due to the minimal mic-ing .. But again, I'm just trying to get that sound with my own approach. It isn't 1960 anymore, for better or worse and I can't always get away sending a client a two mic drum track...if the kick has its own mic, it needs some muffling to get the sound.
@@nddrums Actually the kick rarely had an muffling back then, no tape or muffling on any of the drums. Listen to any of the Funk Brothers/Motown drums of Benny "Papa Zita" Benjamin and Richard "Pistol" Allen. No muffling anywhere and drums tuned like jazz because they both came from jazz. Keeping the front head on the kick is important if you're looking for that 60's sound. Also, even though technology has come along way, if you want that drum sound, all you do is room mic the drums. If you need to add a kick mic for your control, then so be it, but the room mic's will pick up the kick just perfect. Best of luck to you!!
@@ChannelingJohnBonham yeah, there's both..An open jazz tuning and a dryer sound as well. Like I said, the above mentioned albums have a dead dry thing...that is not a wide open kick sound. But there was a change in sound as the decade went on ...
Hi Tony. Sorry I'm just noticing this message now. I believe it was just a fleece blanket. I got the mic halfway into the drum as well, no front head I believe...it's amazing how full and even loud an 18" bass drum can be!
Honestly I did this so long ago I can't remember. If it wasn't the dbx then either an 1176 or distressor...I do love the DBx for punchy/vintage drum tracks tho!
Hey Thomas! Thanks so much. I believe I used an AKG c414 as my mono overhead at that time. Lately I've been using Beyerdynamic M160s alot too. Thanks for checking out the video!
Definitely higher on Tom's. Bass drums were often stuffed with a pillow and the front head was removed so their tuning is less important although you still want it to blend with the other drums as well as the track. Thanks for watching!
3:43 Yea the drums on their own sound right ! Then depending on the record label and studio, the different processes could dramatically change the final sound. Alot of the drum breaks that are notoriously sampled for example have alot of room sound (maybe chamber, actually they did use a room with a speaker as a chamber in some cases) and distorted kick drums, but to tape.
But your kit sounds good as a base.
Good to see someone using a real drum kit. Theese days when most people say "drums" they just load up some plugin, and the "kits" are all shitty 808 or 909 style sounds and I hate that.
Thanks!
There was hardly, if at all, muffling on 60's drum sounds. Drums were tuned high, like a jazz kit and usually with only 2 room mic's. Also, remember, they only had 4 track recording for most of the 60's and with all the bouncing/track reductions they did back then they had to make sure the instrument sound was dead on as they couldn't "fix it in the mix" as they do today.
Correct. I believe I mentioned the jazz tuning in the video the kicks tho definitely don't sound resonant. In part, due to the minimal mic-ing .. But again, I'm just trying to get that sound with my own approach. It isn't 1960 anymore, for better or worse and I can't always get away sending a client a two mic drum track...if the kick has its own mic, it needs some muffling to get the sound.
@@nddrums Actually the kick rarely had an muffling back then, no tape or muffling on any of the drums. Listen to any of the Funk Brothers/Motown drums of Benny "Papa Zita" Benjamin and Richard "Pistol" Allen. No muffling anywhere and drums tuned like jazz because they both came from jazz. Keeping the front head on the kick is important if you're looking for that 60's sound. Also, even though technology has come along way, if you want that drum sound, all you do is room mic the drums. If you need to add a kick mic for your control, then so be it, but the room mic's will pick up the kick just perfect. Best of luck to you!!
@@ChannelingJohnBonham yeah, there's both..An open jazz tuning and a dryer sound as well. Like I said, the above mentioned albums have a dead dry thing...that is not a wide open kick sound. But there was a change in sound as the decade went on ...
Yeah man, "Let's give the drummer some."
Digging the sounds my g✌🏽
Thanks so much!
Sweet sounds. Not really the supraphonic I am used to hearing but cool drums.
Do you do mobile recordings?
Yes, I do remotes drum tracks for folks all the time.and you can contact me through www.nddrums.com for Info!
The snares are a slingerland Hollywood ace and a Ludwig pioneer.
@@nddrums love me some slingy.
I have a couple supras. One from 60 and one from 70s.
But it ain't the tools, it's the carpenter.
I dig your feel
Thanks so much!
sounds great .what kind of muffling are you using in the 18 kick drum
Hi Tony. Sorry I'm just noticing this message now. I believe it was just a fleece blanket. I got the mic halfway into the drum as well, no front head I believe...it's amazing how full and even loud an 18" bass drum can be!
What kind of compressor are you using? The Waves dbx-160 plugin is pretty good on drums.
Honestly I did this so long ago I can't remember. If it wasn't the dbx then either an 1176 or distressor...I do love the DBx for punchy/vintage drum tracks tho!
Cool
What mic are you using for your overhead? Sounds great!
Hey Thomas! Thanks so much. I believe I used an AKG c414 as my mono overhead at that time. Lately I've been using Beyerdynamic M160s alot too. Thanks for checking out the video!
when you say jazz tuning, is it high or low tuning?
Definitely higher on Tom's. Bass drums were often stuffed with a pillow and the front head was removed so their tuning is less important although you still want it to blend with the other drums as well as the track. Thanks for watching!