While not the most virtuosic performance, it has more than enough heart and emotion to make up for it. The fact that he assembled one thousand musicians on one stage to perform this work is a miracle in of itself. BRAVO Gustavo!!!
The change of tonality a few seconds after 40:51 (begins with the flute as main voice) ....; ..... every time , every time since 40 years , I am completely overwhelmed ... ....
Great recording/sound quality! I was blessed to be able to see the 2012 Los Angeles Dudamel performance of the work. I took my Mother and Brother along and it was the most exciting concert ever...seats had good view.
Wish concerts like this were recorded and were more available to see. ....seen the Toronto symphony so many times and remember them do this in the 90's and would have loved to watch that again - great performance wonderful musician's and singers, bravo to all 1000 of them, Mahler would have been proud!
I've not been aligned with Dudamel's hype these past few years, but one has to admit that what happens here is far from what we see stateside. This is confident, clear, concise leadership......as if it can be anything else with the sheer numbers of personnel. No such performance in my memory of this piece has come across so eloquently. Dudamel scores perfection with the large childrem's choir for we are made to realize, and then sense how absolutely gorgeous the music is for these youngsters. Caracas?? Dudamel has proven what can be done with extraordinary success outside of the bastions of Wein, Praaha, and Salzburg. Wonderful, to say the very least.
Every time I listen to the Mahler 8th I get this wonderful wave of euphoria with the theme that is introduced here the boys choir at about 20:51 and takes off at 21:34, then with the sublime women's voices at 21:55.
One thing that makes the Simon Bolivar Symphony Orchestra superior to any other is - taking for granted the extraordinary skill of its musicians,their expanded personnel roster. They truly understand that in a world culture glutted by a plethora of stimuli,larger forces provide the necessary added presence to the classical masterworks,that they might speak with vividness to contemporary audiences. All other orchestras are stymied either by contract and budget constraints, outdated traditions,or the regrettable trend toward "period authenticity" in all matters of presentation. SBSO understands that all composers would rather be honored by being heard and enjoyed by as large an audience as possible,than by being honored for obeying their markings to the letter... SBSO has its collective finger on the pulse of humankind in its present state. Bravo to them!
What a crock of BS. The SBSO superior to any other? Superior to the Berlin, Vienna and Amsterdam philharmonic orchestra's? Where is your hearing aid? LOL
penguinlybra You do not need to be so rude. Seems that Berlin, Vienna and Amsterdam philharmonic orchestras cannot get enough of Dudamel. He may also be the music director of the Berlin Philharmonic when Simon Rattle retires. Moreover when the Simon Bolivar Symphonic Orchestra travels to Europe, it always sells out. In the 2011 BBC Proms, the tickets sold out in the first three hours of the initial offering, a record for the Proms.
***** The Dutch government has severely cut back financial support for RCO, and many are leaving for better paying jobs. Seems like making war in the Middle East for Royal Dutch Shell is more important than culture for the people.
Stupendous in every way! Many, amny thanks for uploading this. Although it helps to know the Faust story (as Goethe told it) for this symphony, it is not essential. The music carries its own narrative & Dudamel gets to heart of it. Mahler, the obsessive, Mahler the man-child immersed in the wonder of nature, Mahler with death perched on his shoulder, Mahler the far-seeing "mystic": these are all present in this music. No surprise its complex! But it's complex rather than complicated. Mahler's instrumentation is superb & here he uses space as much as he works to organise time. This is probably the nearest thing in music to a rich figurative abstract painting that somehow has become animated, like a film. Brilliant. I too felt a little let down that the applause was cut from the end. Somehow a performance such as this needs that to break up the tensions that have held the music together. Perhaps anyone wanting to get to know Mahler's work might not omit the 1st Symphony (Titan) as it holds so much that the composer worked out into his later, much more complex works. I may be speaking heresy to many here if I say that, in my opinion, Mahler is greater than Wagner. Wagner, for me, always brings you back to Wagner himself (until, perhaps, Parisfal), whereas Mahler somehow always transcends personality, although the personality of the music is strong, it is music that comes to forefront.... Bravo
remarkable agreed; so much of Gustavo's work is delightfully unpolished and unslick". The true passion of the music comes through; ironically it may be bc he incorporates so many younger players and artists. Wagner I believe wrote about many of the same things in fact, altho they explored different issues. They were both geniuses
if you are lost for a moment, just watch the final part where the universe is born in this massiv accord and you feel great ! nice conducting, many rush this part , this was just incredible !
Funny coincidence!! Yesterday I heard this directed by Tennstedt with the London Symphony recorded, if I'm not mistaken, in 1991 and was thrilled by the power and precision of the playing. Now, I'm hearing this Dudamel reading and, against my expectations, I'm finding it more emotionally moving (goosebumps up my back don't lie!) and even more "resolved" and clear although some of the soloist singers may not be so good (tenor is superb, though). By the way.... the sudden interruption of a work like this by some companies trying to sell us something is nothing short of a crime, at least a disrespect for mankind. I swear I'll never buy whatever this "things" are selling!
The last commentator made a statement about this performance not strictly adhering to Mahler's overall composition and vision. The sound is not Gustavo Dudamel's sole responsibility, but rather the cast of a thousand that forms the Faustian drama, the separation of themes, the (borrowed and) original phrasing. I celebrate this version because of the youthful excitement, the accessibility to a wider audience in South America (!). I'm thinking this video is a gift to mankind. Spanish is a Latin language (Romance) - it is expected that the Germanic hard syllables would necessarily be elided. This is what gives all performances, and all individual voices, unique character. Even though this is nothing close to a FOLK performance - I mean, c'mon, the orchestration is very tight - if you recognize the score and can anticipate the phrasing, the voices turn Mahler's masterpiece into a universal construct. I'm pretty sure Gustav would have wanted the Eighth performed by any number of separate voices, if he could get the word out. And now I wonder about the person who would rather have "the same" than a different performance. First off, say Vienna and the Frankfurt Radio SO: say they both did Mahler's 8th. Still they would be different sounding performances, right? So I say the criticism says more about the criticizer than it does about the performance.
The idea that a conductor/musician doesn't have enough life experience for a given work or will interpret it differently is a rarefied, high level bit of critical analysis. It might be relevant as Mahler was so obsessed with death and his sense of mortality. Believe me, no one doubts Dudamel's competence and ability to pull off a coherent interpretation.
I agree with Herr Maisenbacher. This rendition is catalysed by emotion rather than sophisticated musical intellect. Nevertheless, its comparative naivety makes it compelling, fresh and absolutely worthwhile. And the origins of this orchestra command admiration and support.
I agree about not cutting off the applause. This is an event...there is something special about a live concert. I don't understand why this is done so often. I think the recording should continue until that applause ends or the orchestra exits the stage.
Just a little thing. In 30:55, after an introduction by the harps, Mahler writes one of the most beautiful and pungent melodies I ever heard (at least as I feel it) that is taken and retaken by the choir and the orchestra, almost until the final (most beautiful thing a music lover human can hear) but Dudamel goes through it almost likely a hot knife through butter. It's a pity and I did expect better from a Latin person with feelings (I'm Latin myself). Not bad but I've heard better.
At that performance Dudamel found broad tempo needed to get beside fulminant outbursts Mahler's chamber music like "innigkeit"*) although giant orchestra and giant chorus. *) no real translation available But Dudamel still has problems with important caesuras. Please listen at 54:47 - after "...ist nur ein" there should be very very short delay before syncoptic timpani beat together with "Gleichnis" continues. It's last time Mahler generates tension before indescribable final hopeful outburst.
This version is rather curious .... actually it is not very good ... , but , there is here a sort of spontaneity , some kind of unprepared authenticity , at the edge , naive , that touches the heart .... like a child , unskillful and clumsy , but , in a simple touching manner , telling the truth .....
Paul Saldana No , no , that's the contrary , I like his interpretation much more than many others . And read my post with attention , you understand why ... or didn't you understand it ?
Not so much a state of mind as simply blank. In fact, a single state of mind might be too limiting. The music is so large and there's so *much* of it that you've got to be untethered to any one emotion so that you can experience the full breadth of feeling in one of the symphonies, to be free to go where he takes you. That said, the next time you're really pissed off, put in Symphony 6 and go for a long drive, preferably somewhere you can drive fast. That is a case where a specific state of mind will actually make the music easier to appreciate. But shit, you'll feel like unexploded napalm by the end of the first movement.
Mahler was never a 'one listen' composer. Not as bad a Wagner, but it still takes a couple of listens before it starts to click. This piece, especially, is a bit thick to wade through at first. Try Symphony 2 or 5, both are great and fairly accessible.
I think I agree that this is one of his less accessible pieces of music (at first) because it's so large scale, long, busy and there's so much intensity and so much going on in the music that it makes it sound like a mesh of noise and it makes it difficult to listen to. I was offered the opportunity to play this piece quite a few years ago, and because I found the music inaccessible (having listening to it two or three times), I almost declined. I was fortunately talked into it, and after the repetition and depth into which you go in rehearsals, it slowly grew on me. About three weeks into the rehearsal process (out of about five weeks), I relistened, and it had become easy-listening, so to speak, but nothing particularly special... almost like listening to early Mozart/Haydn... understandable, and appreciable, but nothing particularly special. By the end of the rehearsal process, the music had transformed into the most beautiful and amazing thing ever... really. And this is one of the few pieces of music (out of all of the music which I've played) which has really stuck with me, and to this day it holds a special place in my heart... definitely one of my top 5 favorites. This is music which you need to be able to devote time to - you can't just listen to it once (nor twice) and be able to see it. You have to be able to take it apart and see the inside of the loud, busy, complex exterior and see the beautiful emotion on the inside and empathize with it, and understand it. After that moment years ago when I realized that I'd fallen in love with it, I've never lost the ability to appreciate it's complex simplicity (yes, that's an oxymoron - but it describes Mahler well in general). I must add, I'm not a naturally sentimental person as it may appear, but this piece has an extremely special place in my heart.
Virtuoso80 I loved this Symphony since the first time I heard it. The same occurred to me with all Mahler symphonies except perhaps the first one. I also loved many Wagner preludes since the beginning. Full operas needed more auditions.
It takes years to fully appreciate Mahler, but it's well worth the effort. Based on my experience I'd suggest starting with the last two movements of the 4th symphony and the last movement to the 3rd. That's some of the most relaxing music available. From there try something exciting. like the last movements to the 2nd and 1st. By now you're probably hooked, so go back and listen to the rest of those symphonies while moving on to the 6th, 7th, 9th, 10th, 8th and 5th, in that order. I've always found the 5th somewhat boring and uninspired, except for the slow movement. If possible, go to a live performance, especially of the 8th. It will blow your mind!
great recording, but, I believe the beginning is a little rushed at times. Bernstein used to bring out so much emotion in the beginning orchestral part. I don't feel it here
What disastrous casting the Doctor Marianus is.His throat is so tight he has to scream his high notes from 29.30- that most tender of moments, "Jungfrau... Mutter.. etc'. And his ' Blicket auf' at 45.17,one of the most beautiful solos in this glorious work, is ghastly. He has terrible terrible technique- his voice is strangulated in his throat. How on earth did he get the job?
music critics can be such BORES!!! Is it true that Alma informed Mahler of her affair with Gropius backstage just before the premiere? If so she was truly an asshole. To cut off the applause is unconscionable.
Этому грандиозному проекту и его великолепному воплощению дирижером,оркестром и хором абсолютно не соответствуют женщины- солистки,кроме замечательной сопрано в центре(полненькой). Дудамель напоминает мне Моцарта по непосредственности,искренности своего таланта великого музыканта
It's not together and gets too loud too soon. A very pedestrian approach. Watch Tennstedt with LPO live. Builds this climax from absolutely nothing. Makes a far greater impression and the playing and choir are vastly superior to this. Don't know what the fuss is all about.
After 1 month again full performance listed... First of all I know this was a great experience to all parcipants! You aren't responsible but where is Mahler's spirit? Whole performance sounds very strained. Sometimes I think Dudamel muddles through a giant ocean of sounds from one chord to the other. Maybe like at Mahler 2 Dudamel is still too 'young' for Mahler 8?
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Worse,bad,ugly and incompetent Dudamel did again his FOLK interepretation of classical music.I am not agree with this parody done over Mahler symphony.Dudamel may be is fine for tribe leader,but not for conductor!
Mladen Vass" Worse"? Worse than whom?" I am not agree"? You have to start by learning English first...then you could maybe give your opinion about the interpretation of music...
While not the most virtuosic performance, it has more than enough heart and emotion to make up for it. The fact that he assembled one thousand musicians on one stage to perform this work is a miracle in of itself. BRAVO Gustavo!!!
The change of tonality a few seconds after 40:51 (begins with the flute as main voice) ....; ..... every time , every time since 40 years , I am completely overwhelmed ... ....
Fritz Maisenbacher you and me too!!!
Thank you for everyone s talent. I appreciate you all bringing beauty to our world
Great recording/sound quality! I was blessed to be able to see the 2012 Los Angeles Dudamel performance of the work. I took my Mother and Brother along and it was the most exciting concert ever...seats had good view.
Mahler 8 by a Jewish-Catholic composer, music of stupendous power and moments of ravishing beauty! Muchas gracias, Michele Spagnolo.
Wish concerts like this were recorded and were more available to see. ....seen the Toronto symphony so many times and remember them do this in the 90's and would have loved to watch that again - great performance wonderful musician's and singers, bravo to all 1000 of them, Mahler would have been proud!
Alles Vergängliche ist nur ein Gleichnis... Bravo, Dudamel!!!
Wunderbar! Unübertrefflich, ein fantastischer Chor, einfühlsame überwältigende Einstudierung und Darbietung, Danke an alle Mitwirkenden!
Gracias a Dios por la vida de este gran Compositor, y por mi vida, al ser parte de esta gran Sinfonía de los Mil
I've not been aligned with Dudamel's hype these past few years, but one has to admit that what happens here is far from what we see stateside. This is confident, clear, concise leadership......as if it can be anything else with the sheer numbers of personnel. No such performance in my memory of this piece has come across so eloquently. Dudamel scores perfection with the large childrem's choir for we are made to realize, and then sense how absolutely gorgeous the music is for these youngsters. Caracas?? Dudamel has proven what can be done with extraordinary success outside of the bastions of Wein, Praaha, and Salzburg. Wonderful, to say the very least.
Every time I listen to the Mahler 8th I get this wonderful wave of euphoria with the theme that is introduced here the boys choir at about 20:51 and takes off at 21:34, then with the sublime women's voices at 21:55.
Lmao, the guy with the binoculars at 44:36
Dudamel e oggi uni dei più grandi direttori d'orchestra.
One thing that makes the Simon Bolivar Symphony Orchestra superior to any other is - taking for granted the
extraordinary skill of its musicians,their expanded personnel roster. They truly understand that in a world culture glutted by
a plethora of stimuli,larger forces provide the necessary added presence to the classical masterworks,that they might
speak with vividness to contemporary audiences. All other orchestras are stymied either by contract and budget constraints,
outdated traditions,or the regrettable trend toward "period authenticity" in all matters of presentation. SBSO understands
that all composers would rather be honored by being heard and enjoyed by as large an audience as possible,than by being
honored for obeying their markings to the letter... SBSO has its collective finger on the pulse of humankind in its present
state. Bravo to them!
What a crock of BS. The SBSO superior to any other? Superior to the Berlin, Vienna and Amsterdam philharmonic orchestra's? Where is your hearing aid? LOL
penguinlybra I'm sure you have the "sheet music" to all of the classics!
penguinlybra You do not need to be so rude. Seems that Berlin, Vienna and Amsterdam philharmonic orchestras cannot get enough of Dudamel. He may also be the music director of the Berlin Philharmonic when Simon Rattle retires. Moreover when the Simon Bolivar Symphonic Orchestra travels to Europe, it always sells out. In the 2011 BBC Proms, the tickets sold out in the first three hours of the initial offering, a record for the Proms.
***** They seem to like having Maestro Dudamel as guest conductor.
***** The Dutch government has severely cut back financial support for RCO, and many are leaving for better paying jobs. Seems like making war in the Middle East for Royal Dutch Shell is more important than culture for the people.
Wow how epic! How can you cut off the applause at the end? That's always the best part!
The Finale of this symphony is just exquisite. A masterpiece!!!!
Stupendous in every way! Many, amny thanks for uploading this. Although it helps to know the Faust story (as Goethe told it) for this symphony, it is not essential. The music carries its own narrative & Dudamel gets to heart of it. Mahler, the obsessive, Mahler the man-child immersed in the wonder of nature, Mahler with death perched on his shoulder, Mahler the far-seeing "mystic": these are all present in this music. No surprise its complex! But it's complex rather than complicated. Mahler's instrumentation is superb & here he uses space as much as he works to organise time. This is probably the nearest thing in music to a rich figurative abstract painting that somehow has become animated, like a film. Brilliant.
I too felt a little let down that the applause was cut from the end. Somehow a performance such as this needs that to break up the tensions that have held the music together.
Perhaps anyone wanting to get to know Mahler's work might not omit the 1st Symphony (Titan) as it holds so much that the composer worked out into his later, much more complex works. I may be speaking heresy to many here if I say that, in my opinion, Mahler is greater than Wagner. Wagner, for me, always brings you back to Wagner himself (until, perhaps, Parisfal), whereas Mahler somehow always transcends personality, although the personality of the music is strong, it is music that comes to forefront.... Bravo
remarkable agreed; so much of Gustavo's work is delightfully unpolished and unslick". The true passion of the music comes through; ironically it may be bc he incorporates so many younger players and artists. Wagner I believe wrote about many of the same things in fact, altho they explored different issues. They were both geniuses
Thank you for posting this. Dudamel is bringing Mahler to a whoe new generation.
Wow! What a massive orchestra!
+Aron Tesfay ... and chorus, too. I've never seen one this large, ... indoors!
The sound of these two orchestras is outstanding. Hope that they record more pieces together in the future.
The back chorus is impressive. The music is enchanting. Flütlerin twang shyness explains. :3 You're doing fine Dudamel.
I wish the applause had not been cut out.
if you are lost for a moment, just watch the final part where the universe is born in this massiv accord and you feel great ! nice conducting, many rush this part , this was just incredible !
Dudamel is one of the best to conduct the 8º. symphony of Mahler
Abbado est mort. Heureusement existe Dudamel. Merci
Monumental. Grandioso!
Funny coincidence!! Yesterday I heard this directed by Tennstedt with the London Symphony recorded, if I'm not mistaken, in 1991 and was thrilled by the power and precision of the playing. Now, I'm hearing this Dudamel reading and, against my expectations, I'm finding it more emotionally moving (goosebumps up my back don't lie!) and even more "resolved" and clear although some of the soloist singers may not be so good (tenor is superb, though).
By the way.... the sudden interruption of a work like this by some companies trying to sell us something is nothing short of a crime, at least a disrespect for mankind. I swear I'll never buy whatever this "things" are selling!
Só um génio podia escrever esta música......das mais bonitas que conheço
The last commentator made a statement about this performance not strictly adhering to Mahler's overall composition and vision. The sound is not Gustavo Dudamel's sole responsibility, but rather the cast of a thousand that forms the Faustian drama, the separation of themes, the (borrowed and) original phrasing.
I celebrate this version because of the youthful excitement, the accessibility to a wider audience in South America (!). I'm thinking this video is a gift to mankind. Spanish is a Latin language (Romance) - it is expected that the Germanic hard syllables would necessarily be elided. This is what gives all performances, and all individual voices, unique character. Even though this is nothing close to a FOLK performance - I mean, c'mon, the orchestration is very tight - if you recognize the score and can anticipate the phrasing, the voices turn Mahler's masterpiece into a universal construct. I'm pretty sure Gustav would have wanted the Eighth performed by any number of separate voices, if he could get the word out.
And now I wonder about the person who would rather have "the same" than a different performance. First off, say Vienna and the Frankfurt Radio SO: say they both did Mahler's 8th. Still they would be different sounding performances, right? So I say the criticism says more about the criticizer than it does about the performance.
Thank you very much for uploading this magnificent video!
A million thanks for your generosity and kindness.
Excellent performance and recording, thanks for posting!
The idea that a conductor/musician doesn't have enough life experience for a given work or will interpret it differently is a rarefied, high level bit of critical analysis. It might be relevant as Mahler was so obsessed with death and his sense of mortality. Believe me, no one doubts Dudamel's competence and ability to pull off a coherent interpretation.
I agree with Herr Maisenbacher. This rendition is catalysed by emotion rather than sophisticated musical intellect. Nevertheless, its comparative naivety makes it compelling, fresh and absolutely worthwhile. And the origins of this orchestra command admiration and support.
"This rendition is catalysed by emotion rather than sophisticated musical intellect." Perhaps you should listen to yourself rather than the piece?
I think this is the first time I have seen Dudamel use a scorebook on stage...
33:24 some visages transfigured for a while by the unearthly beauty of the music ....
(and the harpist's beautiful concentration .. .. ! )
40:38 ....; ;........ angels .... ..... (Gustav , what was your secret to write these few bars ... ?)
OMG WHO EVER PUT THIS UP THANK YOU SO MUCH I WAS WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO PUT THIS UP!!!!!
simplemente . maravillosa . .
Beautiful music !!
Bravo
I'm just speechless!
Incrível! Maravilhoso, Emocionante!
45:48 ...not to pull passages out of context, but how beautiful this is!
He played Mahler's 8th in Salzburg, and no one said he was too young for the piece. Check it out for yourself.
I agree about not cutting off the applause. This is an event...there is something special about a live concert. I don't understand why this is done so often. I think the recording should continue until that applause ends or the orchestra exits the stage.
at 7:35 you can hear him shout.
I am referring to the applause... Sorry if my comment seemed vague... I was in extatic chills at the time... :)
Agradecería la no interrupcion
Yes, the description lists the voice soloists. But not the concert master or the soloists in the orchestra?
Just a little thing. In 30:55, after an introduction by the harps, Mahler writes one of the most beautiful and pungent melodies I ever heard (at least as I feel it) that is taken and retaken by the choir and the orchestra, almost until the final (most beautiful thing a music lover human can hear) but Dudamel goes through it almost likely a hot knife through butter. It's a pity and I did expect better from a Latin person with feelings (I'm Latin myself). Not bad but I've heard better.
Awesome !
4:18. Chills down the spine of the person that knows what's coming, but still gets the chills each time...Mahler was amazing...
Everyone download the video before DG takes it down.
wow, how many people are there?
that moment when the people on state outnumber those in the audience....I know the feels, I know the feels.
At that performance Dudamel found broad tempo needed to get beside fulminant outbursts Mahler's chamber music like "innigkeit"*) although giant orchestra and giant chorus.
*) no real translation available
But Dudamel still has problems with important caesuras. Please listen at 54:47 - after "...ist nur ein" there should be very very short delay before syncoptic timpani beat together with "Gleichnis" continues. It's last time Mahler generates tension before indescribable final hopeful outburst.
I SANG THERE!!!!!
I sing everytime I listen to this, but my dog doesn't like it
Yo también!!!!
This version is rather curious .... actually it is not very good ... , but , there is here a sort of spontaneity , some kind of unprepared authenticity , at the edge , naive , that touches the heart .... like a child , unskillful and clumsy , but , in a simple touching manner , telling the truth .....
lol? Pretentious much?
Paul Saldana
What does that mean ? I don't understand ...
Fritz Maisenbacher I think your comment "it is not very good..." is just you not appreciating Dudamel's interpretation
Paul Saldana No , no , that's the contrary , I like his interpretation much more than many others . And read my post with attention , you understand why ... or didn't you understand it ?
Fritz do you feel all warm and superior!
it would be great to have english subtitles...
Who is the concert master and the other soloists?
De gustibus non est disputandum. Some days I like the Dudamel interpretation, some days I like Von Karajan, someday I like Bernstein....
Try Jasha Horenstein ....
Rattle... The soprano does the best piano high C I've heard in this piece. Followed by the 2nd soprano, equally well in her high Bb.
一万人の第九なんてダサいてすが、この交響曲に関しては、この規模の演奏で聴きたい
決してキワモノではない音楽
特に第2部、音楽の究極の形ですよね
最後の「神秘の合唱」だけでも聞いてみて
まさに宇宙が鳴り響く音楽があります
マーラー本人にも見せてあげたい動画
I have trued. Lord, knows I have tried, but I don't seem to like Mahler. I am going to try it again. Do you have to be in a specific state of mind?
Not so much a state of mind as simply blank. In fact, a single state of mind might be too limiting. The music is so large and there's so *much* of it that you've got to be untethered to any one emotion so that you can experience the full breadth of feeling in one of the symphonies, to be free to go where he takes you.
That said, the next time you're really pissed off, put in Symphony 6 and go for a long drive, preferably somewhere you can drive fast. That is a case where a specific state of mind will actually make the music easier to appreciate. But shit, you'll feel like unexploded napalm by the end of the first movement.
IMO, this is one of his less accessible symphonies. I'd recommend the 4th & the 5th as a starting point.
Mahler was never a 'one listen' composer. Not as bad a Wagner, but it still takes a couple of listens before it starts to click. This piece, especially, is a bit thick to wade through at first. Try Symphony 2 or 5, both are great and fairly accessible.
I think I agree that this is one of his less accessible pieces of music (at first) because it's so large scale, long, busy and there's so much intensity and so much going on in the music that it makes it sound like a mesh of noise and it makes it difficult to listen to.
I was offered the opportunity to play this piece quite a few years ago, and because I found the music inaccessible (having listening to it two or three times), I almost declined. I was fortunately talked into it, and after the repetition and depth into which you go in rehearsals, it slowly grew on me. About three weeks into the rehearsal process (out of about five weeks), I relistened, and it had become easy-listening, so to speak, but nothing particularly special... almost like listening to early Mozart/Haydn... understandable, and appreciable, but nothing particularly special. By the end of the rehearsal process, the music had transformed into the most beautiful and amazing thing ever... really. And this is one of the few pieces of music (out of all of the music which I've played) which has really stuck with me, and to this day it holds a special place in my heart... definitely one of my top 5 favorites.
This is music which you need to be able to devote time to - you can't just listen to it once (nor twice) and be able to see it. You have to be able to take it apart and see the inside of the loud, busy, complex exterior and see the beautiful emotion on the inside and empathize with it, and understand it. After that moment years ago when I realized that I'd fallen in love with it, I've never lost the ability to appreciate it's complex simplicity (yes, that's an oxymoron - but it describes Mahler well in general).
I must add, I'm not a naturally sentimental person as it may appear, but this piece has an extremely special place in my heart.
Virtuoso80 I loved this Symphony since the first time I heard it. The same occurred to me with all Mahler symphonies except perhaps the first one. I also loved many Wagner preludes since the beginning. Full operas needed more auditions.
Chiaki brought me here.
+nk171283 Franz Von Stresemann !!! xD
look in the description
It takes years to fully appreciate Mahler, but it's well worth the effort. Based on my experience I'd suggest starting with the last two movements of the 4th symphony and the last movement to the 3rd. That's some of the most relaxing music available. From there try something exciting. like the last movements to the 2nd and 1st. By now you're probably hooked, so go back and listen to the rest of those symphonies while moving on to the 6th, 7th, 9th, 10th, 8th and 5th, in that order. I've always found the 5th somewhat boring and uninspired, except for the slow movement. If possible, go to a live performance, especially of the 8th. It will blow your mind!
WHYYYYYYYY DID YOU cut off the applause at the end? Are you nuts?
Why is it cut short?
14:45 Uno de los mejores momentos. Qué voz la de Brian Mulligan
Gustavo needs longer sleeves.
great recording, but, I believe the beginning is a little rushed at times. Bernstein used to bring out so much emotion in the beginning orchestral part. I don't feel it here
Conductors are indeed tribal leaders...
Но финал с Саймоном Рэттлом несравнимо лучше- эпичнее,как музыка Космоса
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What disastrous casting the Doctor Marianus is.His throat is so tight he has to scream his high notes from 29.30- that most tender of moments,
"Jungfrau... Mutter.. etc'. And his ' Blicket auf' at 45.17,one of the most beautiful solos in this glorious work, is ghastly. He has terrible terrible technique- his voice is strangulated in his throat. How on earth did he get the job?
Paul Barrettk he was the only one around.
Paul Barrett Budget,budget,budget....
Paul Barrett You sing that better? Show us! Make a video!
Paul Barrett You sing that better? Show us! Make a video!
It is a pity that this extraordinarily good interpretation is marred by a horrible sound and even worst camera.
music critics can be such BORES!!! Is it true that Alma informed Mahler of her affair with Gropius backstage just before the premiere? If so she was truly an asshole. To cut off the applause is unconscionable.
Anna Larsson is, of course, wonderful; the other soloists not so. You need an exceptional team to pull this off and they don't.
Mother of French Horns
Этому грандиозному проекту и его великолепному воплощению дирижером,оркестром и хором абсолютно не соответствуют женщины- солистки,кроме замечательной сопрано в центре(полненькой). Дудамель напоминает мне Моцарта по непосредственности,искренности своего таланта великого музыканта
It is not.
44:04
the choirist looks pretty unmotivated
It's not together and gets too loud too soon. A very pedestrian approach. Watch Tennstedt with LPO live. Builds this climax from absolutely nothing. Makes a far greater impression and the playing and choir are vastly superior to this. Don't know what the fuss is all about.
Nigel Smith I agree I don't think he should be allowed anywhere near Mahler.
Phantom...how pedantic you are.
You are confusing pedantry with something called discernment.
the applause lasted 2 seconds,,bad editing
That was self depricating humor.
Sorry, but it's rushed and a little childish. Temper and drive can't replace the dramatic composition that needs to be thought through carefully.
After 1 month again full performance listed... First of all I know this was a great experience to all parcipants! You aren't responsible but where is Mahler's spirit? Whole performance sounds very strained. Sometimes I think Dudamel muddles through a giant ocean of sounds from one chord to the other. Maybe like at Mahler 2 Dudamel is still too 'young' for Mahler 8?
Senor Quemada, in fact there are brainy Catholics around if you care to investigate eg. Paul Johnson, Simon Bolivar, William Brennan Jr,GK Chesterton, Mdm Curie, S Dali, Leonardo da Vinci,Descartes, John Ford,A Hitchcock, Bob Hope,G Mendel et al.
300 too many probably
fime faroeste
Boa tarde Washington!
Bom dia!Washington!
The choral voices are too young and lack the necessary carrying sound. Involving a big chorus does not necessarily make a good 8th
+especoros Quatschkopp!!!!!!!!!!!!
especoros Good point.
TOO slow . another Mahler symphony ruined by a molasses in February tempo
Worse,bad,ugly and incompetent Dudamel did again his FOLK interepretation of classical music.I am not agree with this parody done over Mahler symphony.Dudamel may be is fine for tribe leader,but not for conductor!
Mladen Vass Everyone is entitled to imbecilic comments.
+Mladen Vass Such a magnificent collection of ignorance in only two lines... How did you do that, my friend?
Mladen Vass You think you're better ? You're stupid !
Michele Spagnolo I love your comment. Will quote you.
Mladen Vass" Worse"? Worse than whom?" I am not agree"? You have to start by learning English first...then you could maybe give your opinion about the interpretation of music...
Not good finalle
the singers are just awful !!!! o my god ,such a low level
That is OK to think if you must but a horrible, horrible utterance. Way out of line. Thine ego doth run over.
45:18