Brands that usually make quality outboard gear getting into these small interfaces has been amazing. The SSL stuff is sick, the new UA ones are sweet, this is obviously really cool.
I could easily watch a whole vid of you just setting up in the woods and jamming around. Should definitely consider it on your next trip lol it was therapeutic af
I’m really glad that someone is doing a decent review of the real world applications and uses for this. I’ve thought about this for preamps+ console 2buss line returns for mixdowns. I still have trouble finding if the line signals go thought the transformers, I’m assuming they do, but this was a helpful video.
That's one bad little unit! Dude, you just keep throwing stuff I wanna add to my little home setup. 😂 I built a few CAPI preamps that i use and love them! Excellent stuff Jeremey!
I like them very much and i use them on Snare and Kick. I don't have to do very much with eq just as long as they are both tuned properly along with mic position. I plan on getting a pair of VP28. @@RecordingStudioLoser
I have one of those and I love it. The only issue is that it does not direct monitor the adat channels. You can only do that for the two preamps from the unit itself, and for direct monitoring the adats you need to do that from the DAW, but that's not that HUGE of an issue either. Great video btw!
Really cool video and nice to know this sound great. Could you use this as a pre-amp sending from and returning to your DAW (say in your master or mix buss chain)? Thanks for the very in-depth video!
Love the channel. I bet a dollar that if you routed the mic to the Neve and the Apollo, or even a Focusrite, and compared the same recording through each preamp, you would not hear a discernible difference in sound.
There’s noticeable different in the low end for me. That said any of them could work. And I tried to say that in the review. It comes more down to functionality and versatility and portability. Figure out what has the features you need for your own use case.
What’s the latency on the 88m? I’m used to an RME pci card and have never needed direct monitoring as I typically track with less than 2ms. Now that computer is ancient and I’m messing with a laptop and Presonus StudioLive at about 5ms with buffer at 64 or 128. Looking at Audient id44mkii or the Neve. I realize you can do direct on vocals and instruments, but what about vast or amp sims?
I didn’t notice anything off putting. I never use direct monitoring. I used amp sims quite a bit on the road to practice with. It never got in the way.
Thanks for the vid! That setup with the Clarette... You'd just be using low latency software monitoring?? Is that low enough for a band with drums? Or does it automatically 1:1 ins and outs over adat??
Some people say the headphone amp is underpowered. I'm really interested, but that one thing kind of scares me. I use DT770 and 880, both at 250 ohms. Any thoughts?
It’s not powerful some wall unit interfaces but I use DT 770s and it was loud for me. That said I tend to listen at a relatively moderate volume. I was never left wanting
Can this magic box by Neve be used as a poor man's AD converter passing through it the whole mix for some slight coloring of the sound (without destroying the depth, highs and lows...) or is it too optimistic? :)
RME BabyFace or, the closest to his use would definitely be the UCXII. As the UCXII is 20 In 20 Out ADAT In+Out, Class Compliant (Either you plug an usb stick and record straight, or plug an iPad), 2 Hybrid XLR/Jack inputs, +2 DI In. And their drivers are absolute rock solid, and you can do absolutely everything with them. So yeah, would be cool to compare.
Got mine a few days ago, to go with my 8801 and 8803, AWESOME bit of kit!!! 😁😁😁 The 88R preamps are INCREDIBLE!!!! The just have so much vibe and sound AMAZING!!! To compare it with something like The Apollo, which IS a sterling bit of kit for sure, but the 88M can also be used standalone for its Preamps, it's not totally reliant of software so it will NEVER go out of date either.. cool eh! 🥰🥰
Is anyone experiencing core audio dropouts on MAC OS with the Neve 88M? The 88M appears in Apple's Core Audio, but no sound is coming out of the DAW or the Mac’s audio routed into the Neve 88M. The only way to resolve this issue is to disconnect and reconnect the USB-C cable. Am I the only one experiencing this problem?
@@RecordingStudioLoser I tested several computers, including the MacBook Pro M3 Max running Sonoma 14.4.1, and the Intel MacBook Pro 2017 running OS Catalina 10.15.7. On both I experienced issues with the Neve 88M audio dropping out. However, the MacBook M1 running Sonoma 14.4 had the most stable performance. I even connected it to my MPC Live - working without a single glitch. After browsing Apple forums, I followed a suggestion to delete the com.apple.audio.AudioMIDISetup file from the Library/Preferences. This appeared to fix the Neve 88M performance of the MacBook Pro M3 Max running Sonoma 14.4.1, as it only had one audio drop during a day-long test. However, I plan to conduct further testing to confirm this improvement. Despite these issues, I love the sound quality, which aligns with your review.
Late to the party, but were you ever able to solve this problem? Also curious to see if going to software update causes the dropout like I've seen on a different USB interface.
Yes… i was having a bunch of issues my neve 88m… eventually (after a month of trying everything i could think of), i returned the unit and got a free replacement…. The new unit worked flawlessy… maybe you have a faulty unit.
The neve Rndi s di has been on my list forever, so looking at getting this , at an extra 500 I’d get a sweet interface and 2 neve pre’s on top 🤔 This just made the rndi harder to buy!
(I just deleted my last comment. Forget what I said.) I think you convinced me to at least try these for the standalone preamp functions. I'd like to see how the compare to my racks of Neve pres.
It definitely doesn’t sound like my rack of vintage neve stuff. The new neve stuff is different. As long as you don’t expect it to sound like a 1073… Because it’s not a 1073 the 88 series stuff is definitely its own thing. That said, it’s not a bad thing
Like I said in the video, I wouldn’t buy it if you just need standalone freeze or if you just need a mobile rig but if you have use for both of those things, this is hard to beat.
@@RecordingStudioLoser I definitely agree about the 1073 being different to the 88. I own several of the modern 88's, and they have a more subdued low end compared to the former. I would also agree about the vintage 1073's and the current iterations. I own many of both. I actually prefer my modern ones over my vintage units. Anyhow if these Neve 88m interface preamps do sound like my actual standalone 88's then I'm willing to give these a chance due to the portability and general quality for the price and compact size.
I get an insanely loud hiss from the monitors as soon as I plug in the TRS into the monitor controls on my 88m, anybody else have this issue? Same monitors and cables work flawlessly with my Apollo.
This for a FOH engineer like me looking to do high-quality on location recordings, come back home, and connect my old school Didigidesign 003 console via ADAT (or any similar piece of gear) is a dream! And finally, a video that isn't a click-baity mess of "OMG this Neve interface SCKS because my guitar clips boo-hoo-hoo"... attenuate. Figure it out... apparently Neve have been spammed by people asking about the accusations of "fraud" and "putting Alibaba parts in this"... the internet... am I right? Yes, sometimes the DI input - which 99% of the time won't be used for tracking - clips. OK, it does clip fairly easily. But you know what? This is a 4 figures interface. I'm sure that people buying this have a dozen attenuators around. Is is THAT hard to figure it out? Or, even better yet, record in 32 bits floating, which I am sure that this will support in the near future. It simply isn't an actual issue.
Bro, that’s crazy. I was wondering if there was even possible to use it just as preamps Because the I/O was not supported for me, but that makes it way more my speed
i want one , im still using a 15yr old saffire pro 24 and its sounding a bit dated , plus i still havent been able to figure out (life's too short) the mix control , possible the worst peice of useless software ever developed since the aol lady . also my d28 is looking at me like
Please, the interface is not a "unit" in any useful sense. The abuse of this word has overwhelmed music-gear discussion. Better just to grunt and to gesture. Otherwise, the video was very good, leaving out the Behringer shout, twice, which is a major ethical lapse. So maybe don't leave that out. Ugh. While I'm at it, the ipad is a computer.
Ignoring the bulk of this incoherent rant, I’ll skip down to the end, and the strange complaint about this reviewer listing iPads as being ‘separate’ in the series from computers. Don’t you feel it’s helpful to inform an audience that a unit such as this is compatible with those different devices? Because they do have different operating systems, just to mention one factor. It is always valid to list the iPhone, iPad, and desktop/laptop computers as independent items when discussing compatibility. No one needs an exposition about how they are all ‘computing’ units. Please address any fine or censure notifications regarding my overuse of the word “unit” to my attorney-Tim-at Dewey, Chatham, and Howe.
I’m not sure I could address anything besides the behringer comment. I said I would use my Behringer P16, which I’ve had for 14 years. At the time there was no other unit that would do it what it does. Sure there is now but I was saying what I would hook up with it. Feel free get whatever you want man. Unit unit unit unit.
@@CentaurusRelax314 Feel free to ignore it all. It's a video comment, man - you know, for the algorithm. As for incoherent, it isn't. I asked for an interface to be called something at least correct, like "box" if not "interface". This seems understandable enough. "Unit" simply does not apply, and saying other losers make the same error doesn't make it any less of an error or any less unhelpful in determining which thing is being called a "unit" at any moment. At a couple of points we had multiple nonunits being referred to as "unit" in the same breath. I complemented the video, then remembered the comments about the cancer on the music-gear industry. To the loser's credit, he bought his thing before most people knew what a POS company it is, or on how many levels. Then again, he didn't specify in the video what POS-company product he was talking about, much less the era of its purchase. Lastly, pads are computers. They happen to be easily mobile, hamstrung computers. I had no problem with mentioning the different kinds of computers, and I didn't suggest he should not mention different uses for the interface. Where did you find an "exposition" on computing devices? Two of the comments address clear communication, and one a POS company. Yes, I was brief, but I suspect the complaints would be worse if I had gone on longer, because people don't want to read in comment sections, yet sort of do read anyway. If you found this stuff incoherent, I have to say you probably read too quickly and misunderstood. Maybe splitting the thoughts with carriage returns would help, so I have tried that here.
@@bitegoatie It’s “incoherent” because of your awkward phrasing, illogic, ridiculousness, overwrought handwringing over the innocuous, etc. Your obsession with “unit” is baffling, but serves as prelude to the subsequent oddities. And, again, the iPad vs Computer issue is just wrong. But, whatever-you come across like the kind of fellow that would be dangerous to offend further. [How many human heads can you fit in your freezer?]
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Brands that usually make quality outboard gear getting into these small interfaces has been amazing. The SSL stuff is sick, the new UA ones are sweet, this is obviously really cool.
They have realized that the market now is the home studio market and they want to capitalize on that. Thank god for us🎉
What do you think of Motu interfaces?
I could easily watch a whole vid of you just setting up in the woods and jamming around. Should definitely consider it on your next trip lol it was therapeutic af
I’m really glad that someone is doing a decent review of the real world applications and uses for this. I’ve thought about this for preamps+ console 2buss line returns for mixdowns. I still have trouble finding if the line signals go thought the transformers, I’m assuming they do, but this was a helpful video.
They do; Mic, Line & DI all go through the Transformers.
Yeah, I think the line amps do but the send/return loops don’t(?)
That's one bad little unit! Dude, you just keep throwing stuff I wanna add to my little home setup. 😂 I built a few CAPI preamps that i use and love them! Excellent stuff Jeremey!
Which ones did you get?
I built 8 CAPI preamps . two VP312, 4 VP26 and two VP25. All solid preamps! @@RecordingStudioLoser 👍
Ooo I’ve been curious about the vp25s. How you like them?
I like them very much and i use them on Snare and Kick. I don't have to do very much with eq just as long as they are both tuned properly along with mic position. I plan on getting a pair of VP28. @@RecordingStudioLoser
Wow. Best demo. You're not just a musician. You are a saleman!!!!Good job man
I love that you actually went to the woods to record. Ha. So good. That's what's up! Great review!
It’s always fun to get out of the studio!
I own one and it's awesome. Haven't looked back.
I've got an apollo and some heavy external preamps but dang have I been eyeing this unit since it came out for portability.
I have one of those and I love it. The only issue is that it does not direct monitor the adat channels. You can only do that for the two preamps from the unit itself, and for direct monitoring the adats you need to do that from the DAW, but that's not that HUGE of an issue either. Great video btw!
Correct. There’s no tap before conversion on ADAT. It comes in already converted….
Thanks for this bit of info. I want to get better audio into my computer, and I'm thinking the 88M and the 1073PX is going to be the way to go.
thats a killer setup. using the opx on a broadcast rig and the sound so good. hit the affilliate link if you go for it!
Really cool video and nice to know this sound great. Could you use this as a pre-amp sending from and returning to your DAW (say in your master or mix buss chain)? Thanks for the very in-depth video!
I suppose. You would go line in to the front of the unit and then use the send to get back to to the DAW
@@RecordingStudioLoser I was wondering about this. My 88m arrives tomorrow and can’t wait to find out if this loop works. Can anyone confirm it?
Love the channel. I bet a dollar that if you routed the mic to the Neve and the Apollo, or even a Focusrite, and compared the same recording through each preamp, you would not hear a discernible difference in sound.
There’s noticeable different in the low end for me. That said any of them could work. And I tried to say that in the review. It comes more down to functionality and versatility and portability. Figure out what has the features you need for your own use case.
What’s the latency on the 88m? I’m used to an RME pci card and have never needed direct monitoring as I typically track with less than 2ms. Now that computer is ancient and I’m messing with a laptop and Presonus StudioLive at about 5ms with buffer at 64 or 128. Looking at Audient id44mkii or the Neve. I realize you can do direct on vocals and instruments, but what about vast or amp sims?
I didn’t notice anything off putting. I never use direct monitoring. I used amp sims quite a bit on the road to practice with. It never got in the way.
I hear this thing has killer preamps! Nice review man! 😉👍🏻
Thanks for the vid! That setup with the Clarette... You'd just be using low latency software monitoring?? Is that low enough for a band with drums? Or does it automatically 1:1 ins and outs over adat??
Nice review! Who made your logo LED sign? We had one made for our and it pulses on camera and we can't dial it out.
Some people say the headphone amp is underpowered. I'm really interested, but that one thing kind of scares me. I use DT770 and 880, both at 250 ohms. Any thoughts?
It’s not powerful some wall unit interfaces but I use DT 770s and it was loud for me. That said I tend to listen at a relatively moderate volume.
I was never left wanting
@@RecordingStudioLoser can you adjust the balance of the direct monitoring signal, or are you stuck with whatever the interface gives you?
@@RecordingStudioLoser I guess what I mean is, can you adjust the ratio of how loud the direct signal is compared to the DAW?
You could turn your daw output up or down in the daw itself to find the relationship then use the master for overall
@@RecordingStudioLoser that's unfortunate it doesn't allow that control on the unit itself.
What connection do you need to go to the iPad
Just usb c
What a time to be alive
Can this magic box by Neve be used as a poor man's AD converter passing through it the whole mix for some slight coloring of the sound (without destroying the depth, highs and lows...) or is it too optimistic? :)
Only close to UAD? Not RME Babyface?
RME BabyFace or, the closest to his use would definitely be the UCXII. As the UCXII is 20 In 20 Out ADAT In+Out, Class Compliant (Either you plug an usb stick and record straight, or plug an iPad), 2 Hybrid XLR/Jack inputs, +2 DI In. And their drivers are absolute rock solid, and you can do absolutely everything with them. So yeah, would be cool to compare.
I didn’t say only close.
It’s what I have experience with.
@@ThomasLtrue for use case, but in terms of I/o BFP is closer. UCXii is a beast of a box though, my favourite
@@RecordingStudioLosercorrect, that’s why I didn’t use “”. But, no matter. It’s all great gear for making great music.
Got mine a few days ago, to go with my 8801 and 8803, AWESOME bit of kit!!! 😁😁😁
The 88R preamps are INCREDIBLE!!!! The just have so much vibe and sound AMAZING!!!
To compare it with something like The Apollo, which IS a sterling bit of kit for sure, but the 88M can also be used standalone for its Preamps, it's not totally reliant of software so it will NEVER go out of date either.. cool eh! 🥰🥰
It uses ESS Sabre 32 chip, but the Dynamic Range quoted on the site is only 110 db
Can i record with GarageBand in iPad along Neve ?
As long as you’ve got usbc your good to go
i used almost ssl universal focusrite and more but this neve audio interface is next level output
Very nice long commercial.. 🙂
Did you actually record the song "brunch" by Jobii, since you have that great studio?
Damn his clickbait fooled me….. I thought it was genuine
Is anyone experiencing core audio dropouts on MAC OS with the Neve 88M? The 88M appears in Apple's Core Audio, but no sound is coming out of the DAW or the Mac’s audio routed into the Neve 88M. The only way to resolve this issue is to disconnect and reconnect the USB-C cable. Am I the only one experiencing this problem?
What OS are you running. I haven’t seen anything. But I’m always a few versions behind.
@@RecordingStudioLoser I tested several computers, including the MacBook Pro M3 Max running Sonoma 14.4.1, and the Intel MacBook Pro 2017 running OS Catalina 10.15.7. On both I experienced issues with the Neve 88M audio dropping out. However, the MacBook M1 running Sonoma 14.4 had the most stable performance. I even connected it to my MPC Live - working without a single glitch.
After browsing Apple forums, I followed a suggestion to delete the com.apple.audio.AudioMIDISetup file from the Library/Preferences. This appeared to fix the Neve 88M performance of the MacBook Pro M3 Max running Sonoma 14.4.1, as it only had one audio drop during a day-long test. However, I plan to conduct further testing to confirm this improvement.
Despite these issues, I love the sound quality, which aligns with your review.
Late to the party, but were you ever able to solve this problem? Also curious to see if going to software update causes the dropout like I've seen on a different USB interface.
@@keikakusoup yes, problem solved! My unit was faulty and Neve replaced it at no cost. I’m really grateful , great company!
Yes… i was having a bunch of issues my neve 88m… eventually (after a month of trying everything i could think of), i returned the unit and got a free replacement…. The new unit worked flawlessy… maybe you have a faulty unit.
What is the signal chain from a microphones from the set to the interface?
What is it you plugged it in for power?
USB to power, phone charger-like?
Its bus powered so whatever device your plugged into is powering the interface
@@RecordingStudioLoser Thanks, I meant what you're doing at 9:15 in the vid, but i got it
How is this compared to the heritage i73r?
The neve Rndi s di has been on my list forever, so looking at getting this , at an extra 500 I’d get a sweet interface and 2 neve pre’s on top 🤔 This just made the rndi harder to buy!
(I just deleted my last comment. Forget what I said.) I think you convinced me to at least try these for the standalone preamp functions. I'd like to see how the compare to my racks of Neve pres.
It definitely doesn’t sound like my rack of vintage neve stuff. The new neve stuff is different. As long as you don’t expect it to sound like a 1073… Because it’s not a 1073 the 88 series stuff is definitely its own thing. That said, it’s not a bad thing
Like I said in the video, I wouldn’t buy it if you just need standalone freeze or if you just need a mobile rig but if you have use for both of those things, this is hard to beat.
@@RecordingStudioLoser I definitely agree about the 1073 being different to the 88. I own several of the modern 88's, and they have a more subdued low end compared to the former. I would also agree about the vintage 1073's and the current iterations. I own many of both. I actually prefer my modern ones over my vintage units.
Anyhow if these Neve 88m interface preamps do sound like my actual standalone 88's then I'm willing to give these a chance due to the portability and general quality for the price and compact size.
I get an insanely loud hiss from the monitors as soon as I plug in the TRS into the monitor controls on my 88m, anybody else have this issue? Same monitors and cables work flawlessly with my Apollo.
Ground loop? Monitors and computer on the same power source?
@@RecordingStudioLoser nah, different power bars and wall outlets. Same issue when the Neve is bus powered from iPad and running from battery.
On the 500 modules you can add a transformer to the Line and DI signal. That's a big difference.
On the 88m line and di are also coupled to the transformer
How does it compare to the UAD 88rs?
Probably similar? Those are the pres it’s modeling. So probably close.
This for a FOH engineer like me looking to do high-quality on location recordings, come back home, and connect my old school Didigidesign 003 console via ADAT (or any similar piece of gear) is a dream! And finally, a video that isn't a click-baity mess of "OMG this Neve interface SCKS because my guitar clips boo-hoo-hoo"... attenuate. Figure it out... apparently Neve have been spammed by people asking about the accusations of "fraud" and "putting Alibaba parts in this"... the internet... am I right?
Yes, sometimes the DI input - which 99% of the time won't be used for tracking - clips. OK, it does clip fairly easily. But you know what? This is a 4 figures interface. I'm sure that people buying this have a dozen attenuators around. Is is THAT hard to figure it out? Or, even better yet, record in 32 bits floating, which I am sure that this will support in the near future. It simply isn't an actual issue.
Bro, that’s crazy. I was wondering if there was even possible to use it just as preamps
Because the I/O was not supported for me, but that makes it way more my speed
Oh yeah you can use them as stand alone pres.
"It just feels like your hitting something beefy on the other end." I swear it sounds like you said "...and that means chicks" after that, lol.
Oh dear…
@@RecordingStudioLoser Lol... that's what she said... Ok... Im done. Back to the music.
i want one , im still using a 15yr old saffire pro 24 and its sounding a bit dated , plus i still havent been able to figure out (life's too short) the mix control , possible the worst peice of useless software ever developed since the aol lady . also my d28 is looking at me like
No pad :(
Perfect setup: neve88m+ableton+fidelizer
Perfect quality
neat pieve
State of art device
👌🏻
polarity doesn't cost power...
No output trim to drive the pre amp. Sorry no deal.
studio people don't do dishes....
Boooo no eq
Please, the interface is not a "unit" in any useful sense. The abuse of this word has overwhelmed music-gear discussion. Better just to grunt and to gesture. Otherwise, the video was very good, leaving out the Behringer shout, twice, which is a major ethical lapse. So maybe don't leave that out. Ugh. While I'm at it, the ipad is a computer.
Ignoring the bulk of this incoherent rant, I’ll skip down to the end, and the strange complaint about this reviewer listing iPads as being ‘separate’ in the series from computers. Don’t you feel it’s helpful to inform an audience that a unit such as this is compatible with those different devices? Because they do have different operating systems, just to mention one factor. It is always valid to list the iPhone, iPad, and desktop/laptop computers as independent items when discussing compatibility. No one needs an exposition about how they are all ‘computing’ units.
Please address any fine or censure notifications regarding my overuse of the word “unit” to my attorney-Tim-at Dewey, Chatham, and Howe.
I’m not sure I could address anything besides the behringer comment.
I said I would use my Behringer P16, which I’ve had for 14 years. At the time there was no other unit that would do it what it does. Sure there is now but I was saying what I would hook up with it. Feel free get whatever you want man.
Unit unit unit unit.
@@RecordingStudioLoser unit _unit_ UNIT *UNIT!*
@@CentaurusRelax314 Feel free to ignore it all. It's a video comment, man - you know, for the algorithm. As for incoherent, it isn't. I asked for an interface to be called something at least correct, like "box" if not "interface". This seems understandable enough. "Unit" simply does not apply, and saying other losers make the same error doesn't make it any less of an error or any less unhelpful in determining which thing is being called a "unit" at any moment. At a couple of points we had multiple nonunits being referred to as "unit" in the same breath.
I complemented the video, then remembered the comments about the cancer on the music-gear industry. To the loser's credit, he bought his thing before most people knew what a POS company it is, or on how many levels. Then again, he didn't specify in the video what POS-company product he was talking about, much less the era of its purchase.
Lastly, pads are computers. They happen to be easily mobile, hamstrung computers. I had no problem with mentioning the different kinds of computers, and I didn't suggest he should not mention different uses for the interface. Where did you find an "exposition" on computing devices?
Two of the comments address clear communication, and one a POS company. Yes, I was brief, but I suspect the complaints would be worse if I had gone on longer, because people don't want to read in comment sections, yet sort of do read anyway.
If you found this stuff incoherent, I have to say you probably read too quickly and misunderstood. Maybe splitting the thoughts with carriage returns would help, so I have tried that here.
@@bitegoatie It’s “incoherent” because of your awkward phrasing, illogic, ridiculousness, overwrought handwringing over the innocuous, etc. Your obsession with “unit” is baffling, but serves as prelude to the subsequent oddities. And, again, the iPad vs Computer issue is just wrong. But, whatever-you come across like the kind of fellow that would be dangerous to offend further. [How many human heads can you fit in your freezer?]