A-10 VS SU-25 - WHICH IS BETTER? - WAR THUNDER
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
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Though I’m with the SU-25 team, I need to admit that in the 1st round one of the A-10s did really well even though his wing was almost destroyed
Me with my 2.7 german planes and half wings killing 3 guys.....my teammates: getting no kills even though 5 enemys r at me..... Bruh just like in wotb or wot XD but war thunder i have atleast a little chance
The a 10 is probably one of the most survivable things in the game
was it the ALonlyAlpaca guy? cause that was me
@@Prisoner4245 bro my su-25 landed without a tail💀
The su-25s were able to kill the A10s with its r60 missiles as the A10 players weren't even using their countermeasures to defend, instead just swerving hard to get the missiles off their tail and firing their flares at the last second
The A10 players in this were dreadful. Every SU-25 player only had AA missiles and gun pods, while the A10 players were taking out mavericks and rocket pods. Also doesn’t help that the snail modeled the A10 like it was made out of tissue paper
Yeah, A-10 is modeled as though a strong gust of wind will split it in half, meanwhile the SU-25 damage model means it could probably survive a nuclear blast and return to the airfield
Agree entirely. They were playing like NPCs. And the titanium bathtub is treated like it doesn't exist. Or the fact that these A-10's can still fly while missing half of both their wings.
Su-25 is czech
@@axolotl328 SU-25K is czech, the aircraft itself is Russian made
The fact that irl the a10 is famous for its “bathtub” armor… but in game if you click on protection analysis in the menu it says no armor. Meanwhile I’ve hit an su25 with 2 missiles and some bullets and the thing still made it back to the airfield and repaired
For just 2 to 3 minutes of time in each of those rounds you made awesome angles coming from each side, stellar performance on both teams. If I may pitch in an idea for another face off maybe a Mig-15 Vs F-86 Saber, I think it would look very cool to see 😁
Thank you:)
Korean War.
there is this cool key bind where you can drop flares and even keep them going without your input, but the a10 pilots don't know this
You're making stuff up! There is definitely no system on the A-10 like that! Do you really think they would put some missile guidance *countering* *measures* on this plane, as if such magic actually existed. 🙄
Yes it is called toggle periodic flare release
@@commandoepsilon4664 ya your right, only the su25's have those things
@@zohaibtariq7351 why didnt they use this, the a10 has got like 400 flares
@@commandoepsilon4664 bro he is talking about "toggle periodic flares release" setting
Watching some of those views, you can just tell people bought the Prem. A-10 even tho they still at rank 3 💀💀
Even as an American main, I knew the SU 25 were going to win from the start. Its superior manoeuvrability would give it an advantage in air to air combat. doesn't prove which was better in their respective role.
Every a-10 was snapping like twig
Seems the tactics of the A-10 team were lacking, carrying Mavericks and Rockets in an all-out Dog fight, not using wingmen and spreading out but flying in a big bundle so the faster SU-25 had much more freedom to choose their attack vector.
I love the fun facts during the battle, helps fill in more stuff
I think the pilots could’ve been bit more aware of there surroundings seen a lot of them not even attempting to dodge missiles that were fire from right in front of them
A-10 players seem to think there flares substitute dodging, it helps but it ain’t a replacement
@@shadowbonbon3in the first one the a-10 players didn’t even attempt to use there 400 mix of flares and chaff
This feels like ace combat tournament
why would they take mavericks in the first place
or most of them not using any flares despite having 480
Interesting that in WT the Su-25 is more maneuverable than the A-10. In DCS, it's the other way around.
Kinda happens when you bring 6 Mavs to a dogfight ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
American bias vs Russian bias 😂
Telling a bunch of war thunder players “If you think you can do it better…” is one sure solid way to increase community involvement lol
Haha I figured it might
Opening scene always looks like a movie. Great job.
I really like your editing with all the angles and I also really like the counter in the corner which makes it a lot easier to follow the state of the battle
i love gaijin’s bs. the su-25 is a lower br and is arguably better and even tho irl it’s a brick and the a-10 has a faster turn time. in game it’s more maneuverable than the a-10.
Cope. A-10 has better low-speed maneuverability and a more deadly array of stand-off weapons as well as a targeting pod. Plus, double the countermeasures.
@@ThickestKYLE in game at like all speeds the su-25 turns better even tho it shouldn’t.
Both should be 10.3
Actually, Su-25 is more maneuverable than you expected, you can find many videos of both side's Su-25 in the Ukraine War dodging bunch of MANPADs
@@tongqualin yes but statistically the A-10 is more maneuverable i am not saying they should reduce the maneuverability of the su-25 but the A-10’s turn time needs to be reduced.
Funnily enough there is a video form Growling Sidewinder were he did an A-10 vs SU -25 in DCS and the A-10 won every time
Only that team would win which the content creator wants but it also depends upon players
Imagine the backlash he would get in the comments if the A10 lost 💀
@@zohaibtariq7351 actually when Growling Sidewinder did his video he flew the A-10 then the SU-25 and the A-10 won each time
@@theelectricgamer9889 When GS flown in Su-25 he also beat A-10 with human pilot. It's about using aircraft own strength to the most effective way. The Frogfoot has more T/W so he uses vertical to beat A-10.
Didnt look like the a10 team was cutting their engines when flaring
The a-10 pilots weren’t doing like anything lol they where just flying
Fun fact the su25 looks like the a 10s rejected counterpart the ya9 with basically the same design
War Thunders flares sometimes are just broken too
We should do A10s with cannons only vs top line axis and soviet fighters of WW2.
A10 is meant to support ground troops so it is armed with that purpose, however su 25 can also be a heavy fighter, that last round 2 pilots were good though
It's weird seeing ground attack craft treated like air superiority.
The cinematics never dissappoint
It was really fun playing in this!
Hey it’s me Cozzmic_brady as you saw I was the last surviving a-10 during round three I’m not particularly too happy with my performance 😅 but it was wonderful playing
This is one of those situations where unironic Russian bias is on full display.
Also, it'd probably be a good idea to implement equipment standards into these kinds of battles. Each aircraft spawns with only its full compliment of its air to air missiles and a minimum amount of fuel. Save the meme load outs with Rocket/Gun Pods and other BS for a final "anything goes" round.
Dude, right? I was getting more and more frustrated as I kept watching.
how is it russian bias? the su 25 is faster and more manoeuvrable, and its players were better. cope
@@columcthat is the point the noobs where playing the a-10 were as normal players we’re using the su-25
that was amazingggggggggg !!! brooo I love your videos , I download the videos to put them on my iphone and watching again when im bored ! hahahah
Awesome video. I've been watching this content for a while im definitely gonna sub
This is the vid that i wanted the us a10 vs the russian a10
Same
Lol, this video only showed me, how easy to outplay any bots.
I nearly joined this, which excited me as this was the first challenge I actually had a vehicle in, than my work alarm went off. I had to leave. Thought work was in 2 hours not 30 minutes
Personally I love the A-10. I’m not from America but the stories I’ve heard of it and the looks of the aircraft itself I personally think are beautiful
unfortunately the A-10 we have in game fucking gets hit and killed by proxy shells. should be heavy shrapnel damage if it’s not a direct hit
@@nickkozak4763 ye
Did you meant US citizen, América is a continent and not a country.
@@xmodgt1419 in terms of meaning yes, north america and south america. the word america is derived from the word America’s during the colonial era.
but north America consists of Canada, The united States Of “America”, and Mexico.
do your research before you post your comment smart A**
@@xmodgt1419 Nobody cares. It's the only first world country on that set of continents, and only people from the US refer to themselves as Americans. Get over it and quit making comments that make you look like a 10 year old who just discovered how to be sassy.
This was cool. I would like to see SU-25 vs A-10 again but focusing in ground attack. Load up an air battle map and let them loose with the condition that they cannot attack each others planes. See how many targets they can knock out.
Idea : WW2 1 engine planes vs WW2 2 engine planes
just so we can all put this out there its the pilots that make the su25 better
It always depends on the equipment and on the pilots. Like in the second round the a-10s pilots were better then the other rouns, and in the equipment beacuse sometimes the a-10s pilot were using wrong equip for the air superiority
It pains me the lack of use of flares ;;
Why is like most of the players on the A-10 team not using flares?
They do use flares quite a bit but the editing to get everyone’s perspectives cuts a lot of it out unfortunately
Seems like fairly typical American main Warthunder player to me.
@@commandoepsilon4664No it’s because the people using the Premiums A-10 variants were rank 2
Great work on these vids
RIP for the flying tanks
SU 25 simply because of the no Russian bias but yes. My SU 25 has taken 3 aa missiles and about a hundred rounds of A10 cannon and still killed 2 more planes meanwhile my A10 gets sneezed at and the entire tail comes off. It’s disgusting how weak Gaijin made the A10 for being able to take damage and keep flying.
1:48 I would have break left really quick or I would at least get some altitude at least
Not just flare and that's it that won't do anything you have at least do some tight and sharp turns
A little sad the A-10 didn't win but hey it was a awesome video either way
A real matchup would be A6-E vs su 25l
I was waiting for a video like this and I’m happy that you made it may I suggest 4=8 modern helicopters go against 20=40 ww2 tanks
Thank you and I do have a video ideas channel on my discord server people can vote upon ideas that we do
It’s insane how much punishment the Su-25 can take, there’s so many instances of them taking a missile and still flying straight. Even when the missile inevitably causes them to burn up and crash, they still manage to pull off a kill.
It's intriguing. Here, the A-10 tend to fall apart, loosing the tail or a wing at each when hit, whereas the Su-25 oftenly still get relatively flyable... Is it related to the explosive mass of the missiles used?
@@Jenkouille it's related to the location of the Devs
@@t.sorvig3540 truth right here
Them 'Dancing Dragons' are 'dropping like flies'
both aircraft have great power but in the first round u really saw the su 25 having better performance against the a10s
And I'd love to take place in one of these
you should do f86’s vs mig-15’s
Gajin? Su-25. So, now let's check the vid.
8:52 that sound
I can say I am not disapointed by subscribing to this channel.
But let ask why the A 10 was using the Maverick missile? This missile is air to ground isn't It?
Yeah I figure the participants would know what to use
F-16 Vs. Mig 29
1 (Defyn) v 1 (Spit_Flyer) weapons hot after first pass for 5 rounds
OR
3v3 limited ammo
4v4 limited ammo
10v10 dogfight
Intro music - Providence [HQ] from Fight Between Realms by Geoffrey Day
I feel like A-10 players are more braindead and I see more low level players in A-10s that why I knew SU-25 would win from the start
The A-10's weren't using any evasive maneuvers along with their flares or chaff in almost any situations until the end. Do these guys even play A-10 consistently, or did you just grab a bunch of randoms who threw random crap on their plane instead of AA missiles because they didn't know better? Either way doesn't put a good light on their skill level with the A-10. These guys were flying like bad AIs, with zero situational and map awareness and very passive target acquisition. Whereas the SU-25s were very aggressive and flying like maniacs, as they should be.
Let's be honest here, the SU-25 was going to win. But you could've given it a better spin by using people who actually know how to use the A-10 and what to arm it with. I mean, Mavericks or rocket pods... for aerial targets? On an A-10? You want me to believe that ANYONE who knows how to use the A-10 would use Mavericks with a straight face and isn't trolling?
I agree the SU-25 are better at dog fight than an A-10 I also feel the A-10s hardiness is underplayed and both side should have been out fitted 75% ground attack and 25% air to air to make it more even. There by leaving the performance and player abilities to shine.
Never clicked on a vid this fast
Soviet era military hardwares always about the long term ❤❤❤
Why did they take mavericks those are air to ground missles
Everyone just be glad the SU-34 hasn't been added, it's basically what would happen if the SU-25, an SU-37, and long range recon jet had a threesome baby.
It's a monster, a ground attacker that has manoeuvrability beyond most mainline figters, ludicrous maximum flight range, and a seriously large array of options for both air to air and/or air to ground combat roles, with a maximum payload very similar to the SU-25's, which, while not as extensive as the A-10's, is certainly not small.
It even has a bed, a very smol kitchen, and a toilet for it's two pilot's... because why not.
Great video :)
f86 v mig 15?
Im pretty sure all of these planes have fat flare loads, so you would think missiles would be less effective
great video, although I am with su25 team, in 1st round one of the a10 pilots did really good job of flying the plane with his wing being almost destroyed
Bruh u stole some dude's comment like that, cringe
why would you steal someone's comment? it's not even creative, do you seriously have nothing else to say?
@@realsaibanetto I didnt but alr
@@Never_Lad you made the exact same comment as Danil Stepanchenko
Use your map players it will help 😊
More fun facts: as 2024 actual production, the A10 costs x16 an SU25. 😮
Fun fact: the su 25 with Phillipines stickers guy is probably the single competent player that played with su 25
Why did they take ground ordnance if it was strictly air to air?
Good question
@@ThunderWithMuffin fr like wtf they could've won all of the games
Vs idea: A4E vs SU25K… oh wait that’s just ARB
my question is why two ground strike aircraft doing air to air lol might as well toss some heat seakers on ww2 planes and send it at that point lmao
id like to see a setup situation where say the a10 is providing overwatch for a american set of ground troops then the su25 comes in to provide support for russian troops then they take out ground then dogfight see if one outshines the other in the situations they were made for becuase we wouldnt scramble a a10 to deal with a su but in that situation it would have to happen unless something was on stand by close by last one with a plane and ground troops left wins
we need a P-51s vs Bf-109s. when legends fight.
Both aircrafts are designed to attack ground targets. Interesting video though
Battle for the BRRRRRTs
its not the plane, its the pilot, sometimes
The amount of A10s getting hit by R60s when they have the second most amount of flares in the game is absolutely pathetic.
Question if I play in these private events do I get the plane/ tank/ ships that are being used or do I have to have the plane tank or ship
You have to have them
They should add Su/Cy-57 and F-22
nice vid, but the a10 is soly for air to ground combat, not air to air
Thank you
The Su-25
I believe speed and maneuverability trump payload, large amount of ordinance will only get you so far.
What about MiG-31?
Damn I wish I could've got in on this. I couldve wiped out a great deal of those a10s
In real life, the Su-25 would probably outperform the A-10 as a fighter. While both had some dogfighting capability, the Su-25 was always going to need to be able to do it a bit better since the Soviets needed to produce it as a cheap multirole aircraft to sell to other nations, which is why you see so many countries whose primary combat aircraft is the Su-25. So it could perform both fighter missions and attack missions moderately well. The A-10 on the other hand is a very niche aircraft, and it wasn't ever meant to perform fighter missions. Why would it when the F-14, F-15, F-16, and F/A-18 could do it better? So it's better at attack, but not at fighting.
1:56 that just shows how hard it is to kill a A-10, they are suppose to survive with 50% of the airframe left and one Engine left, they were literaly Flying tanks!!!!
Countdown timer: ima boutta ruin this man’s whole career
@@Jesusavesbro Warthog go BURRRRRRRTTTTTTTTT
The A-10 is superior in turn rate to the SU-25 which is why it won the second round.
SU-25 wins the dogfight most of the time. A-10 has an advantage in maneuvering but SU-25 has the advantage in speed and flight ceiling. SU-25 just need to go up and say bye bye to A-10.
But if killing tanks is the mission. A-10 is the best aircraft for the job.
However in a live game, a swarm of a10 always wins
Cool Video and interesting and a question
Can you plz make an old jets vs new jets fight like the me 262
There was one we did somewhat recently with an F-14 vs a handful of me 262s
Ok how about this is crazy all out war between german tanks ships and planes vs russian tanks planes and ships?
i always felt like the su25 was just a better design for its role, its made for a real ground war, launching from a muddy field, tanking manpaads and dropping bombs, not the a10 that flies from a well maintained airstrip, flying with air cover, and blasts a mud hut with its dramatic gun, its not even as durable as an su25, its more durable than most aircraft, but not by a ton like people seem to think it is.
Oh look we have a Russian main that thinks the su25 is the best aircraft in the world. Look the su25 is a lightweight strike attacker using it's speed and countermeasures to increase it's survivability. The A10 is not an air superiority fighter and it can only be brought in at low altitude with other air superiority fighters providing air cover. The su 25s reality is getting blown out of the skies In Ukraine and if you think it can take on the euro fighters, f22, or the j20 then you are delusional. Also the A10 is designed to crash land with no wheels and has 3 redundant flight control systems. The su25 and A10 have completely different roles in a modern battlefield but keep on thinking the grand Soviet army will rise again.
I wish you would actually look up war documentaries and information on both of these beautiful pieces of engineering before making yourself look like a buffoon. The su25's has some armor for the pilot but they kept it light weight unlike the A10 so it can carry larger amounts of ordinance. The su25's utilizes ECM jammers, chaff, flares and other electronic countermeasures to make it very survivable. The su25's armament is much larger than the a10. I'm done trying explain the difference between the intricate engineering philosophies between Soviet combat doctrine and American combat doctrine. Just know the A10 was given the most armor of any plane thus far that's why it was given the nickname of flying tank. Last note armor and durability is two different aspects that every pilot of each aircraft knows well but will avoid testing either.
Should have limited it to guns only
More fun facts: as 2024 actual production, the Russians can produce x22 SU25 over A10. 😮
The a10s are not as tough as they are in real life.
Let's be real, the only advantage the SU25 has is airspeed. Otherwise the A10 will wipe the floor with the SU25.
True. Also the a10 pilots sucked
The a10 is better for ground attack, but in AvA it is worse than Su25
The A-10 because it looks cool
A real SU-25 doesn't get the benefit of a 3rd person perspective.
In real life, both aircraft are mixed bags for me. The cannon really only stands as an intimidation tactic by now, as neither is accurate in any real sense of the world, and while both are touted as being "tank killers", that cannon doesn't do much against modern armor. Hence why they both carry precision-guided munitions. And up until recently, the A-10 had horrible visibility, which is why it has so many friendly fire incidents. I'm guessing the Su-25 has the same issue, only it's too expensive for Russia or other nations to upgrade it and fix that solution. On the other hand, those pertain to CAS/Close Air Support. The A-10 at least does do ok as a cheap ground attack aircraft, being able to loiter and throw munitions at designated targets. But beyond that, it really is better for the F-35 and similar aircraft to perform both roles.
There's a lot of holes in your reasoning and factoids, but I've tossed out like 30 comments over the past two years correcting people so I don't have the energy this time. Just know that you're incorrect about the canon's usefulness against modern armor, the A-10 having high friendly fire counts due to visibility issues, or that the F-35 is worth a damn at a CAS role.
@@atoriusv5070 You are severely misguided. Let me guess: Pierre Sprey Fan? Listen.
Close Air Support is only worth a damn if you are using precision-guided munitions. That’s something the F-35 can do while flying faster and staying undetected, and having a better ability to defend itself. The A-10 is just outdated.
The A-10A had horrible avionics. Pilots were literally spotting targets using fucking binoculars, hence why you can find video footage of pilots believing they have spotted something like a convoy of rocket launchers before pouring fire into a British tank column.
And finally, in the 1970s, a live-fire test was conducted using the cannon against a static formation of ten M-48 tanks. The pilot fired around 500, 600 rounds if I remember correctly. Of those, only a handful hit any of the tanks, with only a couple dozen penetrating or dealing any meaningful damage. Those conducting the test also concluded that it would have been worthless against tanks like the M-60 or T-72, both of which are far outdated now.