5 Bold Predictions for the 2024 Giants
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Nick and Dan both go through their own FIVE bold predictions for the 2024 New York Giants. The two discuss quarterback Daniel Jones, WR Malik Nabers, Shane Bowen's defense, and possibly a STABLE OFFENSIVE LINE!?! Plus, much more!
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Your comments about Tracy and Singletary may prove that Gettleman made a misjudgment by drafting Saquon Barkley. Lesson: a GM does not need to use a first round draft pick for a running back.
I agree, but I’d emphasize that a GM should never use a 1st-Round Pick on a RB.
Saquon should have 2k yds this year. 2k RB go in the 1st rnd.
Gettleman also screwed up w Eli Apple top pick..Kadarious Toney which had us pass on Parsons
It’s already been proven many times over. It’s the least important position in the sport and elite ones are usually drafted outside of the first. Also there’s a big difference between an elite team using pick 25 and a rebuilding team using pick 2 which could’ve fetched a haul in a trade. The Giants were an awful team and he chose an RB. Subsequent mistakes were made as a reaction to this mistake blowing up in his face. Everything stems from a total inability to evaluate your own roster. The Giants continue to make win now moves despite being one of the 3-4 worst teams in the sport. This cannot work. Burns is another example. A very expensive good not great player who might help us win 6 instead of 4 games, ruining our pick but not winning anything that matters.
@@33moneyball You make a most intelligent hypothesis and give erudite opinions. In my opinion, the Giants are a much better team in 2024 than they were in 2023, when they could have won ten games, but instead lost games they could have won against the Rams, Jets, Bills, and Eagles (first game). The 2024 Giants have a much better offensive line, wide receivers, defensive line; Daniel Jones will have a better year; the running backs, special teams, linebackers should be of similar talent overall; the defensive backfield will be worse. It seems to me with a better offensive line and a more effective Daniel Jones, Malik Nabors, and improved coaching from Brian Daboll and Carmine Brasiello, the Giants will win more than six games in 2024, maybe ten or eleven. The most important game is the first game, which is against the Vikings. If the Giants win, they will have confidence, and the fans and media will relax for at least one week.
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Bold prediction, Jones plays 15 or more games. Not sure i can get bolder than that
Here’s my bold take.. if Daniel Jones has 4000+ passing yards then Malik Nabers AND Darius Slayton will have 1k receiving yards
Love it!
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Love the exuberance Dan Love the passionate rant!!
These commercials need to be cut down, it’s torture
especially on spotify i listen there on days i work and a 30 minute episode will literally have 7 min of commercials like bro its not cable
Jesus Christ it's family podcast... it wasn't yesterday now that's good banter.
On paper the roster looks better. However, I’m trying to stay positive, but I don’t have any faith in Daniel Jones or his backups. Was hoping they’d pick up a good veteran QB before the season starts. We also desperately need a CB or two and a punt returner. And while I like the new oline, we are still lacking in depth. I really hope this is not another year of us being a joke in the NFL. As fans, we have waited too long! No more excuses for Jones, Daboll or Schoen.
Go Giants!
With Daniel Jones it's more I think confidence in the receivers then his self I don't think he ever had confidence in any of his other receivers other than Darius li think you're gonna see a new Daniel Jones this year on the confidence levels with his receivers
Because the talent is there he just has to unleash it
@@ronniebennettsr4488 Hope you're right Ronnie.
@@ronniebennettsr4488no it isn’t.
I think the Cowboys had Evan Neal as there second rated player in the draft and not one fan booed the pick he is an enigma at this point but I do think with more practise he will find his way even if they have to move him to guard and I think its in part that ankle heals to where he feels total comfort and trust to get him going in the right direction crossing my fingers he finds his way back !
Oh my goodness! Enjoy you guys & show: have to watch this video now, (b/c we ARE tired .. looking forward to hearing your predictions), but I need to walk my dog … which to do first?
Great ep gentlemen
Gettleman’s drafts were terrible. He found a couple good players. Love the rant
It seems like he drafted better than the current GM to me. Not being a wise ass, am I wrong? Someone please prove me wrong. The best players on the team are still Gettlemans. Shoen's had 3years.
Lawrence
McKinney
Thomas
Adams
Slayton
Barkley
@@GBS-dd6rq I think it’s worth digging into. Drafting Barkley at 3 and not picking up the phone could be one his worst ones. Can you image still getting Barkley and a couple 1’s and 2’s.
@@CaliNYGiantsfan we can probably agree on one thing. please Schoen start hitting on a few more of these guys. his drafts always look good at the time but mostly still waiting. high hopes remain though for many guys. hopefully they just needed a little more time. I want Schoen to succeed.
@@CaliNYGiantsfan regarding Barkley, I have to shut up. I was one of the dummies who was pumped to draft him. sorry 😔
They need to get the running game going that would be key to a successful season if they have any shot 🤷🏽♂️
I don't think it's fair to judge Schoen's draft picks as of yet. Most of them are still developing.
Bold prediction: Kayvon has 20 sacks.
Bold prediction 2.... Nick beats Dan in a big Biceps contest!
idk if that's bold tbh lol
I kept hearing BOWL predictions and starting thinking about college football lol
lolol
Dan.
When Kadarious Toney was drafted, Gettleman was pouting in the draft room while Judge and the coaching staff high-fived and celebrated.
He went in front of the press and said he really wanted Jaymin Davis, but Washington took him a pick before us.
Gettleman did not enter the 2021 draft intent on using the first-round pick on a playmaker. The playmaker was clearly a coaching staff pick.
You are DERANGED when it comes to Gettleman and are inventing a false reality.
Glad you finally admitted that he picks better players than Schoen, though. Kudos.
With the early gettleman talk, people saying he’s maybe a better drafter than schoen, you have to remember that one he spent the second overall pick on a rb, 2 AT was a top 5 pick, 3 three first round picks from his tenure aren’t on the roster or even in the NFL anymore. Gettleman gets no credit from me.
Trust me -- we're not here to credit him. He was a disaster with salary cap management, free agency and in the trade market. But he was a better talent locator than Schoen, at least thus far. Dexter Lawrence outside the top-20 overall is a phenomenal eval by him. AT was a top-5 pick, sure, but he could've opted for Becton and didn't.
Even Nick’s hairline has a mustache!
Getty was mostly bad on trades/free agency tho I don't know if they should have seen the injury problems Golladay would have had and Toney would turn out to be unable to run the right plays under Daboll-he certainly showed tremendous ability for three games year one before his injury stuff started happening as you said.Don't blame him for Baker his career was first screwed up a bogus claim against him and he suffered a really bad leg injury at KC.Look George Young was 26-46 his first five seasons.The current fan base would have roasted him these days.You including.3 wins in Parcells first season where Young tried to replace him with old friend Howard Schnelleberger who turned down the job.
Never mind about the Segway 😂
I really don’t think you can make an argument that Gettleman was a better drafter. Any bad pick Schoen has made so far you can find one either equally as bad or worse that Gettleman did.
Now admittedly Gettleman had 4 drafts and we have seen the results of them, while Schoen has only had 3, and a lot of the guys he’s taken are still really young so it’s a bit difficult to compare.
But take a guy like Flott, we can talk about how he hasn’t lived up to his draft selection (3rd rd 81st overall). But Gettleman took Sam Beal with a 3rd round pick in the supplemental draft (would have been 71st overall). Beal played a total of 9 games for the giants.
Gettleman has a long long list of absolutely awful draft picks. He drafted a total of 2 players who made a probowl for the giants. Saquon and Dexter. That’s it.
it’s weird 2 mee y’all never bring up Wandale as a Schoen draft pick, y’all literally overlook him everytime lol yea he was a bit of a reach but he issa solid player 4 us
He’s gonna have a big year
I love Wan'Dale, so you won't hear me disagree with you there. I thought the pick was peculiar at the time, but just because it seemed redundant to KT. I believe he's in for a big year.
Nobody likes to lose. Losing to a hyper-competitive-person is worse 😂
Pete Carroll used to put a bunch of young Dbs out there in September and by Thanksgiving they had built a team strength. 🤞
Nick and Dan - If DJ meets these predictions (which i don't think is out of the realm of possibility), is DJ the QB next year on a 50+ mil cap hit? Do they push money back and make that 4th year guaranteed?
We could prob do an episode on this...I think they would certainly think about retaining him if the Giants win 8+ games and can't realistically move up to get a QB. So much to play out till then.
@@bigbluebanter1108 I think the answer is a resounding YES. For a multitude of reasons. 1. They once again won't have an opportunity to upgrade elsewhere 2. He will have proven that he can at least operate the system to a certain level (I personally set my bar higher for QBs, but those aren't easy to find!!) .. 3. It would lead a restructuring of the contract, likely adding years and upping his AAV. Or they let it play out. I would lean toward the latter. LET IT PLAY OUT. Make him do it two years in a row, that's something we haven't seen yet in his career. Otherwise it certainly seems like they'd be repeating 2023 offseason again.
I can’t watch Jones anymore.
Btw survey isn't hyperlinked in the description.
Good looks, should be now.
This team has broken my will to get hyped. I dont care about Nabers or any of it until they prove they aren't the joke they have been for most of the last decade
I dont think the giants will be good, but in the NFL media and fan "zeitgeist" Daniel Jones has become a punchline and is somehow viewed as the unanimous worst QB in football which is absurd.
I think he’ll get the last laugh
People act like Jones is Zach Wilson. That is nuts.
It’s absurd that he’s a 48 million dollar cap hit and getting a 6th year….when you consider those variables he’s an absolute joke. Other QBs in his orbit don’t get paid and get kicked to the curb after 2-3 years. Jones is a bad QB and the Giants act like he’s the franchise while simultaneously offering a boatload of picks to get a new QB. He is a joke.
@@33moneyball
Then you factor in he is less than a year remove from acl surgery. It has to be the worst qb situation in football. Please no injury clause this year.
Schoen would’ve taken Thomas or Wirfs given those options. Neal’s entire class is middling. Gettleman also had cracks at Slater and Darrisaw among others. The 22 tackle group is horrendous. Neal was mocked top 10 by everyone. Doesn’t excuse Schoen but it’s not like he passed on excellence. Gettleman could’ve drafted Allen, Lamar, and Herbert. There was nobody in 22 or 23 at QB based on class or pick. Could’ve taken Nix/Penix/McCarthy this year…we’ll see how they develop.
In 3 years. Not so much as a developmental QB in the later rounds for Joe Shame. That's crazy considering who our QB is.
Dan sets a very "Harr bigh" for our QB????
High bar, sorry
@@danschneier513 lol jk. I prefer har bigh anyway
Not so bold prediction: this team has a huge talent deficit and will struggle to win 6 games.
Giants have same problem they have had for the sixty years of my fandom.....ownership! Their latest blunder: Putting the albatross of Daniel Jones around the neck of Scheon and Dabol in order to get their jobs.
Ownership has gotten us 4 superbowls, which is more than 25 other teams.
@@Thagomizer-U235 "15 YEARS OF LOUSY FOOTBALL" read the banner towed by the plane above giant stadium in the late 70s after the Pasarsek fumble. The Maras had to be draaagged by Pete Rossell into the modern NFL and get a serious front office. But that didn't stop them pushing Parcells away and taking Ray Handley over Bill Belicek and firing Tom Coughlin but keeping Jerry Reese. Offense Coordinator Vince Lombardi bleeding Big Blue in 1960 wanted badly to be head coach but nooooooo. And then Mara begged him to come back years later. Landry and Lombardi turned their teams into dynasties and we had them both along with Belicek. Fran Tarketon begged Mara to get a serious front office not filled with former Giant good old boy players but nooooooo. Instead they choose Joe Don Moody, Eldridge Small and Rocky Thompson #1 and tried to make Homer Jones a running back. Bottom Line: If your an NFC east opponent you love having the Maras as Giant owners. Take a close look at the last 60 years and you will be amazed at how many horrible years they have had. Finally, the idea that Daniel Jones is another Eli Manning shows how little they know about football.
Jones will have a better year than Rodgers and Jones will vie for MVP honors.
For the algorithm 😂
If you want to look at the bigger picture giants have the 4th worst winning percentage since 2012 it’s deeper than just dj
No one is saying it's all his fault. That's the biggest issue with DJ dialogue. Some default to thinking "HEY! THEY JUST SAID IT WAS ALL HIS FAULT!" .. but we (at least Nick and I) are also NOT saying that NONE of it is his fault. WE eval him independent of his cast. We watch hours of his tape.
@@danschneier513 I feel like you said the true problem in this video OL. Just saw the part where you said they haven’t ranked in the top half since 2011 which matchups with when we fell off as a organization
@@xavi4026of course but we’re not speaking in absolutes.. multiple things can be the issue
I found Dan's ranting on the last two podcasts to be very unappealing. Maybe some people like it. I'm an old man and like any elder, I've heard too much whining, complaining, and entitlement over my life span. At least if you were complaining about something important like health care or racism or income inequality, some degree of anger could be justified. But you are in the entertainment industry. If you don't like what you're seeing, change the channel. It's entertainment--escape from reality, not personality disintegration demonstrations. And Nick, you're complicit. You didn't call him on it. Oh, to top it off, after finally saying you were going to get to the 5 bold predictions, the endless Unyfyd monologue was inserted. I switched to listening to some music. I will still eagerly follow your film breakdowns, but that's about. No more whiny adolescent conversations for me.
Jones will get benched
I dont mind yas talking about golf or tennis. Talk about ur likes forca minute all good. Can take a minute off giants and let the viewers into ur life. Plus rackets slamming doen and cursing always makes a good story. Did he screeam you cant be serious haha. I been playing golf for 30 years and i still suck. My bestvan 86 but ususlly 93 to 107 i csn score but i barely play.
Love the podcast fellas. But i will say judging a quarterback by win loss record is not fair to quarterbacks. Also they made the playoffs year 1and injuries derailed us last year. I still believe in Schoen & Daboll. We can beat the Vikings. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK GUYS. GMENNNN
I don't think Nick or myself has ever judged Jones on his win loss record. It's one piece of the puzzle, but what we've stressed is evaluating him on his GAME TAPE. One thing we do, that others don't, and some fans don't attempt to grasp, is evaluate Jones INDEPENDENT of his situation.
@@bigbluebanter1108 Absolutely you but everything has to be taken in context. Jones is not a perfect QB at all. But the offensive line I believe have up 80 sacks last year which is crazy to think about. I don't care who the QB is that is not a recipe for success. Now I will admit there will be no excuses for Jones with a hopefully upgraded offensive line. And Daniel hasn't had a game changing wr like nabors which most of the top QBs have had or have
@@bigbluebanter1108 But keep up the good work fellas. Listen to you guys all the time
They made the playoffs due to a very easy schedule and luck in close games. Nothing sustainable whatsoever. Jones is judged by his horrible play, inability to process, and lack of instincts combined with average traits. He’s part of why the team is so awful consistently. There’s a reason why the best QBs have excellent records and the worst have bad ones.
@@33moneyball Alot of teams make the playoffs due to an easy schedule and luck. 50% of playoff teams don't make the playoffs the next year. We made the playoffs poiny blank. I never said Daniel was Mahomes but he is not the sole reason we are bad. We are bad because of bad drafting, major injuries every year and poor coaching. This is Daniel's probably best oline he has had and finally has a legit WR1. If he flounders this year then we move on. That time is not now especially when we have a winnable game week 1. Some fans choose to stay pessimistic.
Nick great breakdown on Johnson the other day and someone please get Dan laid or something..he is a little too wound up I had to turn down my AirPod volume several times lol
LMAO this comment made me crack up.. I apologize brother.. sometimes this team/franchise just triggers the fuck out of me. It's been a constant barrage of pain for 10 years now. Sometimes, it even feels like we repeat ourselves in some of the mistakes.
Wasn't Schoen's first draft done using Gettleman's scouts? We can argue on that basis that Schoen's first draft class is at least in part the fault of Gettleclown. Thibodeaux to date has shown many characteristics of guys Gettleclown drafted such as a love for glamour and vanity along with soft play on the field.
This is a great point, I remember them not cleaning house until after Schoen’s first draft.
I would love a breakdown on the impact of those leftover scouts vs the scouts for the following drafts. How many scouts were actually changed?
That first draft class is definitely a blemish on Schoen’s record
@@user-pz1tu3fj9v I’ve been pointing this out too! Schoen really only had 2 drafts with the right people in place.
Love Dan’s passion and Nick’s analytical take on everything GIANTS. Great tag team as they play off one another. Once again, another awesome 👏 podcast!
Thanks, Thomas!
Bold prediction... Daniel Jones shoots an Eagle on the 8th at Pebble Beach!
Slackin on asking for the LIKE and Subscribe come on Dan 😭
I really think we're about 8 players away from a good football team that is competitive. 3 starters (QB, RT and CB2) and a handful of good depth. With that being said, the QB is the hardest position to fill and we've need about 8 players every year for like 10 years.
Dan’s bold prediction that Danny Dines can achieve 4,000 passing yards is … bold (and I hope it happens!)
Lol
I didn't know this was a class in fiction writing!!! Amazing!!!
To me the speed we have at WR is as good as any team in the NFL the key is scoring at TD first allowing our defense to play with a lead from the get go .Hiatt Nabers have elite speed coupled with Slayton another deep threat and with Wandale underneath who is quick and
shifty in his own right .Is gonna be a handful for opposing defences . Now if Theo Johnson
develops look out bt at the end of the day Jones is the biggest question mark
Didn't Gettleman pick DJ? DJ, the anti-gift that keeps on giving.
I think I listened to this in its entirety 3 times now.
I give the roster a D for Daniel Jones
Re: DG- I’m glad you qualified your rant as football hate - but really it’s Mara ; he and daddy let Belichick and Coughlin go to hire Ray Handley , we under resourced Reeves and Fassel and he allowed Reese vs TC to become unproductive. The front office hasn’t consistently produced talent ever … see 1970’s. Schoen gives us hope for a modern, professional and productive personnel/scouting dept and he also gets a learning curve. Thx
You’re saying many things here….the general incompetence of the Maras is spot on. A single and coaching hire doesn’t mean anything in that context….TC and BB weren’t what they would become yet. Schoen being representative of the “modern” school doesn’t mean anything other than he’s not a moron a la Gettleman. I love Daboll, I see zero evidence Schoen understands how to build a football team or deploy assets judiciously. The Burns move was idiotic. A 2nd and a huge deal to add a good not great player to a terrible team. Go sign someone and take a player at 39. They have so many needs….Burns isn’t Nick Bosa.
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Enjoyed those bold predictions!
Thank you!
We need to get a good ack up QB until we Don't change that we are in deep trouble