honestly knowing twitter, i feel like this entire controversy's gonna turn out to be another kwite/vinny vinesauce/ and alex kister situation. Where an ex or some bastard is just making up excuses to cancel them and twitter immediately follows it. but who knows anymore at this rate, i'm just done with this bullshit
So Saberspark has recently stated that he wants to improve his content and yes his current content may not be as good or funny as his origional, theres just this effort and feeling I relate to- of trying to become something more. He wants to completly rebrand and grow his channel beyond sex themed topics and “what the hell” vids. Which I already liked but I get wanting to branch out. So I respect the effort and I still love his channel! His informal vids such as the fairly odd parents one was really good! And so was the Balto one. Im excited to see where he takes this new direction in the following years.
@@wantedasylum1091 You can also blame it on his audience. doubling down on what the people liked is normally what entertainer like youtuber does. It's just that doubling on the funny sexy furry bits makes it uncomfortable for the average person
@@NateS917 yes, you can blame it on the creator but it does not mean you can't also blame it on his audience, you can put the blame on just about everything. He made content that attracted a new audience, making his overall audience bigger, so he made more of it despite that new content starting to alienate his old audience
I did notice that Sabersparks sounded defeated in his episode about Brainrot but honestly as long as he doesn’t turn out to be a predator or a supporter of a predator I don’t think I’m going to unsub from him just yet.
Ive legit like rewatched that part like 7 times questioning if I was hearing the right thing. Ive watched saberspark since his mlp vids and im so confused.
Saber doesn’t really Goon bait anymore. His YT Brainrot thumbnail isn’t even NSFW. The point was just to show off wild brainrot images, so that was a bit of a weak criticism. Now, Gryph0n. I have no idea. I can’t say he groomed her, cause that’ll kinda be jumping the gun. There is no hardcore evidence he groomed her. Is it weird he was talking the way he was with her, knowing she had a crush on him? Absolutely. Does it look weird they actually got into a relationship afterwards? Yes. But I don’t know if it’s grooming. There’s no proof he intended to get into a relationship with her, which is a part of grooming
Do you forget Saber didn't know how to support Autism Fully? All because of that dumb Twitter reply meant to think it's ableism toward a specific neurodivergent group.
@@dabatman5187 For context, saberspark replied with an uncomfortable looking emoji gif because he was tagged by a convicted s*xual ab*ser. It isn't about autism. The person who tagged him has autism but of course that doesn't make them immune to being called out as an ab*ser.
I’ve been less interested in Saber’s content for a while now too. But I will say, I’ve done parts for his Joshua and the Promised Land Reanimated project and he’s very pleasant.
I noticed a lack of interest too. But I’m recognizing that I’m not as interested when he includes stream portions into his videos instead of having it completely edited like old videos. It’s the same with Penguinz0’s videos, it’s like I instantly loose interest as soon as it switches from edited video to a stream clip. I can’t say exactly why that is yet but it’s just something I’ve noticed.
So.. two ppl who liked each other since she was a teen at least, sure she had a crush, oh well? That happens. He didn’t date anyone else, no other little kiddos, no barely legal types, nothing. He waited till she was at least 20 (not 18, but in fact 20), a fully grown adult woman. They ended up married, they’re happy and no one is being abused. He didn’t actually groom her. It might seem like it surface level, but… _I’ve_ been _actually_ groomed, irl. What you explained wasn’t real grooming, it’s questionable, sure, but he doesn’t have a history of creeping or using barely legal girls. He seems legit so far. It might make _you_ feel icky, but as legal adults you should lay off and stop bullying the couple! Sometimes things like this happen and there’s zero actual abuse. As in they legit love each other. It can and does happen. Yes some don’t mean well, but that’s not everyone. (I say these again, as someone who was _actually_ groomed and who feels safer and more comfortable with someone older than me, as I’m sure she does too)
Oh I am sorry for you. . .🥺 are you doing arlright?? I hope you are And according to you this is actually not grooming is it? And thinking about it do you think this should'nt have happend?🤔 I am just a bit curious about your opinion
“He waited to she was at least 20, a fully grown adult woman.” Dawg that just *sounds* like groomer behavior I don’t think you need to understand how horrible that sounds
@@alexcodexxthekinereader1212 But that means she is also an adult and able to think critically. We can't assume a grown ass woman is incapable of thinking critically about her relationships. That's extremely sexist.
@@alexcodexxthekinereader1212 It sounds like it bc it's probably what we've come to think of it It's much better if he 'waited for her' rather than him to immediately when she was younger, shows he atleast has some understanding (although considerably creepy, it doesn't inherently make him a bad person, considering the mental health problems going into groomers and predators) It's a grey area and often depends on the topic, this situation is legal and seems healthy but can be considered weird (coming from someone who has been SA'ed and has done lots of topic research due to it) It's really all based on circumstance
The annoying thing about when a younger (adult) woman gets with an older man a lot of people suddenly become sexist and say that there's no way the woman could have had any agency in dating the guy and surely was coerced or groomed. Out of nowhere a grown adult is NOT capable of making her own decisions on her own just because she is female. That said...Gabriel had no business interacting with literal kids on social media the way that he did. It was inappropriate. But also also, we have 0 proof of actual grooming or sexual misconduct.
We did watch the same video did we not? That thirty year old man was totally okay flirting with and lying about his “friendship status” with a 16 year old little girl when comforted about it allllll the way up until that little girl was a 21 year old adult. The fact that he said they were hardly even friends, and he was “friends” with a 16 year old little girl in the first place as his age, is disturbing and wrong. Please, never have children, because you would never know if they were being molested or groomed on the internet, clearly 💀
@@meat3958 But if they didn't start dating until she was of age, then we have no reason to believe anything illegal happened beforehand. Being flirtatious is not the same as doing something illegal. I don't agree with his behavior prior to her becoming of age, but if his wife made her own decision as a grown adult to date him, then quit presuming she couldn't have made that decision on her own without being manipulated just because she is younger and a woman. Btw, I'm saying this as someone who was in online spaces I shouldn't have been in when I was a kid. I know better than to let any kids I have be online without total supervision and site blockers.
@@purelysmetalnightcore they didn’t start dating before she was of legal age because if they had, he’d have been called out as the predator that he is. He groomed that little girl for years, priming her to be allllll over him with his “soft rejections” and still continuing to “be her friend” despite the INAPPROPRIATE relationship so that when she was eventually legal, he could continue to flirt and tease her until actually dating her, now that he knew we could t say he wanted to touch a kid. Shameful you can’t see that. Please never have children of your own. People like you having children directly puts them in danger from predatory adults.
@@meat3958 You took only a few Tweets and spun a huge narrative that makes it sound like he was in her DMs being sexual with her and we have no proof of that. You're making what was shown sound a lot worse than it was. You're blowing it out of proportion and also refuse to acknowledge the fact that Claire is an adult and can choose who she dates. He also said that she asked him out and we have no reason to believe otherwise. She had a crush on him for years. Ever consider she also recognized she shouldn't try to date him until she was an adult? You're removing Claire's agency entirely and making it sound like he's married to a child. He's not. Quit being sexist.
I mean, maybe. But I don’t think that applies here. They new each other for a while well into her teenage years. I’m sure if they met when she was eighteen or nineteen and then started hanging out and then got married, 90% of the people who have an issue with it wouldn’t. At least I certainly would. This isn’t a “Leonardo diCaprio dates younger but still *very* legal women” type situation, ya know.
I’ve discovered TikTok and a lot of the younger generation have massive issues with age gap relationships, I’ve seen someone try and claim that someone was a pedo or groomer because there was a 3 year age gap in a relationship. I see it as weird when it’s majority guys who shoot for younger I mean way younger girls than themselves but if they’re both of age when that happens you cant have people scream grooming, adults are free to do as they please. Gabe has been connected to all the CMC VA’s for years, he did brony react with Apple Blooms VA a few times and collaborated with her A LOT in past, he’s got a lot of connections in the VA community especially the MLP community. Gabe was an ex military guy, he was the “hot” talented guy in the brony community back then he kept rising and rising gaining more and more contacts with people who worked on mlp because he was pushing himself as a singer/va. I remember the news dropping he got into the production team for the music, it was crazy to think this guy who liked the show actually pushed through and made it into working on it! It was awesome. Gabe imo hasn’t done anything to label himself as a predatory creep. do I think it’s weird, yes. But I mean as long as they weren’t doing anything illegal then why should it matter about the age gap? I don’t see gabe as the type for it, I think he’s an idiot for not seeing how others might view it but i wouldn’t call him a creep. Yes on her end it might have been a crush she had on him for awhile but as long as he never reciprocated it in any form then I don’t see an issue, both dating when you’re both adults isn’t anything to go crazy over, just lot of people feel weird because of the age gap between them and the fact they knew eachother when she was still a minor. But once again as long as nothing happened when she was younger i see no fault in it just a weird age gap relationship. If evidence was to come out stating other wise then of course I’d change my feelings on it but atm I just see it as one of those older guys dating girls who are younger than them relationships and if they truly do have that much in common then good on them.
I've def noticed his content slowly becoming more negative over time. It's an easy trap to fall into since that's what encourages the most interaction. I can tolerate him being a bit weird though, so long as he's not another predator in disguise. I'm so tired of finding out the people I follow are horrible
Since we're in a world of short attention spans, engineered soulless products, and terminally online zoomers such as myself. I find just about anything with the word "Drama" next to it hard to believe.
@@wantedasylum1091 I would honestly stick with Digital Circus or Indie Internet Shows or Movies to entertain without focusing on the RUclipsrs or Internet Personality Individuals. I love touching grass, Netflix n chill.
I respect Saberspark because at least his channel is not made for kids, and for mature audiences. At least he's not a predator or supporter of a predator, there was a show named "Twelve Forever" which he reviewed, but he also brought up the controversy which may have led to the cancellation of Twelve Forever, and that is regarding its creator, Julia Vickerman, who admitted stalking a 14-year-old boy, after that she made a cheap apology claiming it was a joke, although situations of stalking minors is always frowned upon and isn't something to be joked about. Saberspark did not approve of what she had done. Also, that's just Saberspark being himself enjoying green humor and what not. Everyone has tastes, and what not.
I’m at least glad that gryphon didn’t reciprocate the lovey dovey feeling until she was 20 (2 years legal). If he was a true groomer he’d reciprocate them at 18 out the gate of her birthday, or maybe even earlier
"It's weird, but it's legal" As in "He did not proceed until she was an adult" That's literally it, why is everyone losing their shit? A whole different story would be if he had gone too far.
He married the (FULLY GROWN ADULT) woman, I don’t think he’s using her. Unless they became a couple when she turned 18, but they waited till she was 20- and honestly, as a gal who prefers older guys, she’s probably the one who initiated the relationship, not him. They’re adults, they’re happy, in love- they’ll probably start a family someday, no abuse is going on- I think people should lay off them. Let them live and be happy.
I'm gonna be honest, gooner is an overused buzzword that basically means, "you feel sexual attraction, how evil." it's honestly just an example of purity culture
@@candydream16 its less about purity culture and more about corn addiction (not internet brained that bad, just trying to make sure youtube doesnt flag this comment). I'll admit that i may be biased since i'm ace, sex repulsed ace specifically, but that doesn't change the fact that corn addiction is getting worse. to the point of negative perceptions brought on by brain alterations. i understand where you are coming from tho, i agree that purity culture is stupid is dumb and people should be able to feel attraction, even if thats not something i especially enjoy. and i agree that the term gooner is often misused to mean "anyone who feels a sliver of sexual attraction". sorry for yapping too much, i just struggle with being concise :3
Also the that japanese mcdonald literally was made as incintive for people to get married and form a family, that's why Saber comments on breeding, countries like japan are desperate over their low birth rates.
Anytime I see things like this it makes me think about my family. My grandparents have a slight age gap, my grandfather waited to marry my grandmother...My parents do too and again waited til it was "legal"...the female was younger but the male in both scenarios respected boundaries. So I think if BG interacted with that girl in a more perverted light or sexually then it'd be bad but if they were friends and joking then it'd be okay. Just my opinion don't come after me please 🙏🙏
The sad thing is that when drama happens with RUclips content creators, others will feed into it, and because they literally have NOTHING ELSE to talk about, they’ll make videos like this as a way to get views, because people love f***ing drama. 😔
Hey, so I appreciate you making this. I found a video about a week ago talking about the black gryphon thing, but I refused to watch the video, because of the nasty af comment that same person made on the Poison song in Hazbin.
To specify, the dude admitted to have no experience with sa, but took the leaked scene of the song completely out of context, brought up how the dancing was inappropriate, and then straght up made an edit of that exact scene of Angel dancing to fortnite music. I believe that video was made before the show even came out. As an sa victim, that was more then just insulting.
The allegations and controversy has been around and resurfaced again months ago, probably it’s getting more attention again because the new music video put him back into a spotlight. But again, the controversy has been around for a long time
I wasn't aware of this. Honestly, I am unsure on what I think of this yet. I haven't heard anyone address this until recently. I am not on any side until more comes out about it. I like his work but now I'm torn on whether or not I want to support him... These are allegations, so I will just say that for now I don't have an option on it. But I definitely ain't defending him. Hopefully, more comes out about this. As for SaberSpark, I like his content and his channel. I've been watching him for years. As long as Saber isn't a bad person then I will continue to watch his content. I haven't heard anything bad about him yet, and I hope that he doesn't turn out to be a predator or something. It would be disappointing to hear since it seems like most people have been getting exposed for it recently.
This video feels unnecessary. The “ obsession with breeding” is a one time joke, Claire and Gabriel were both consenting adults when they got into a serious relationship (ago gap is weird but not illegal or immoral) and Saberspark doesn’t make brain rot or just kids content. Yes his thumbnails can be click bait (I’ll give you that) but not actually trash water videos like “Pomie gets pregnant with Charlie. Love Hotel Minecraft”. This was just a whole lot of nothing burger, honestly. Bet you’re an alright guy but this barely counts as drama.
It never ceases to amaze me how people make character analysis of someone over thumbnail, like i watched Balto 3 i know that fembird is real and than the thumbnail is an actual frame from the movie.
@@DominicDoritos Exactly. I was so surprised to hear that apparently everyone hates saberspark. And the reason is cuz he's always been embracing the weirdness. I can't say much about BG. He makes some fire music is all I know.
Not going to lie to you saberspark content feels genuine. And sometimes just feed to the masses like the McDonald's anime! alot of people were drawing suggestive stuff of the mom. probably that's what he was going for
I understand where all the hate and criticism is coming from and Gabriel (Black Gryph0n) does deserve it unless he provides strong proof he wasn't trying to be weird. However, Saberspark isn't at fault here because friends are known to defend each other if something were to come up. Like I said, there's probably not enough evidence for Saber to go off of or he hasn't seen it yet. We should keep an eye on Gryph0n, but not be so hard on Saber, since he is against this stuff.
Probably the first time I've seen a drama being strangely explained on this channel, but alright.. I'm not gonna judge quite yet, just got a bad feeling. For the controversy itself, i agree with people saying this doesn't seem or feel like grooming at all, waiting for her to be 20 (not 18, like some real groomers tend to do, which is still on that thin line of adult/young adult) was the right thing to do before getting in a relationship, this way she would be completely aware of what was happening, cause 20 is a good age menatl maturity wise. For saber, i think calling him an hypocrite for being sometimes suggestive, when he NEVER intended to appeal to a younger audience, is just straight up stretching it. His content is really nice, he documents everything he reviews still and his concern with brain rotting content and such is completely legitimate, because it is becoming a problem, just like channels stealing content from other RUclipsrs (without transforming it) and making money over it. He's a chill and funny dude, an adult playing jokingly into the idea that HIS COMMUNITY saw him as a furry lover or as an h*rny guy for a long time...i don't see anything wrong to be fair. Maybe I'm biased cause I'm a little sick of hearing "gooner bait" thrown around with ZZZ to make an example, making a bad reputation around a game that is legit so fun for being a gacha, and im getting the samw vibe for Saber. Been following him gor years and if you think his content is for kids just because his avatar is cutely drawn, then you're kinda having the eame mentality of "animated = for kids" that RUclips wants to force on creators.
This is a huge nothing burger and I despise the way it's being covered. "A 25 year old has no business talking to a 14 year old.", they were obviously joking. Making all this out to be bigger than it is will only complicate things for actual victims of grooming.
Bit of a long one so buckle in: While I'm still not sure how to feel regarding the situation with Gabriel, I can concur that so far, he doesn't seem to be mistreating her in some way...at least, not that I'm aware of. Now, if she was in a toxic relationship, especially during those...weird years, that would be cause for concern and good reason to start doing something about Gabriel, but none of what's happened with those two seems to be done with malicious intent and she did reconnect when she was of age, despite the still questionable gap. I'm still weirded out by it and still think the full context makes me scratch my head, but it's not enough for me to start hating his music or him as a person, for that matter. (On a similar note for contrast, another brony artist I was a fan of, Andrew "Mandopony" Stein, did stuff that was...bad, to say the least, while cheating to boot and he did so with ill intent. All of which eventually made me stop listening to his music after hearing somwhere that some of his songs could be seen as reflective/boastful of his IRL actions, something that I can't enjoy from a morally questionable artist. Not gonna go too into detail on that because this is already long enough as is; you can look it up for yourself.) Regarding Saberspark though, yeah, even without the weird thumbnails, his content's been getting progressively negative and with it, his professionalism has been declining. Guess the videoes about brainrot and hollywood broke something in him. As long as he himself or anyone he's defending for that matter, doesn't turn out to be a creeper, I'm fine with his videoes, and him as a person, and will continue to do so. I do worry about him, however, and I hope his content becomes more positive soon as well not go down a dark path. Note: I've heard rumors about Saber saying some...questionable things about people with autism. As a counterpoint, I'm on the spectrum and I haven't heard anything about any comments that could be seen as ableist, nor have I seen anything about matters like that. As such, until I see evidence to the contrary and the man himself has addressed said evidence, these rumors will be ignored and chalked up as slander made by disgruntled ex-fans/haters.
Whole thing seems like a big nothing burger of unnecessary drama. Plus Saberspark hasn’t been making as many thirstbait thumbnails and videos/topics as of late so that argument’s kinda flimsy.
Claire Corlett has made it perfectly clear that she doesn't want to be "saved" from her loving and talented husband. People need to learn to stop being so shocked and mortified by shit that doesn't concern them. Sometimes, it's right to turn a blind eye and never take action.
I mean, let's be honest here. These men are rarely ever at fault. It's either lying accusers trying to advance themselves or the MeToo movement empowering the worst in our society. These so-called "survivors" are the types who always put beloved men on and then have the nerve to act "traumatized" years later. We'd all be happy without MeToo there to encourage their entitled behavior.
Brenda knows what I’m getting from this is stupid drama because he’s friends with someone who has concurrency… And now people are going after him because of his thumbnails and his opinions… pretty much this is a don’t give a shit drama
I feel like if Gryphon’s wife was being mistreated by him she would have realized it like how she did with her father. Yea their behavior is odd and not a normal way to speak to someone so much younger but it might not have been done with malicious intentions. With Saberspark however, his content has definitely declined along with the care he puts into his image/behavior. Should have stayed professional and out of it for this one.
I usually don’t reply to things like this, but I am going to jump in and defend Saber on this one. He was at our wedding and personally witnessed how the defamation and attacks hurt us (especially Claire). He knows the full extent of the emotional abuse she suffered growing up, and how difficult it has been for her to recover, only to be attacked, belittled, and slandered repeatedly by people who pretend to care about her but are just chasing clout and spreading drama. He has a huge heart and was fed up with the attacks on our behalf so he decided to defend us. He knew what he was risking and he did it anyway because he cares more about his friends than his career. I will always be grateful for that.
Saber can come off really biased in many of his videos as well, even when I was a fan I noticed if he "liked" one of the female characters, the show would be perfect which isn't the point of critiquing (the main example I can give is the helluva boss show, it has many faults but the whole video is him talking about Loona and not saying actual criticisms)
On that last bit, Saber isn't really trying to hide that he's a gooner, he's respectable with that, he's not like trying to act like he's not into weird shit sometimes, and he's perfectly valid for shitting on gooner posting targeted towards kids because if you see his channel, his videos are obviously NOT targetted towards kids. I do not know the other stuff but that part is not a valid criticism unless you just hate gooners.
With the way Saberspark talks in his videos, I'm pretty sure that burger clip was taken out of context and meant to be a joke. I could be wrong, but from my understanding of his content (I've been watching him for years) that's what it sounds like.
Bro. Why’s everyone gotta stick their noses in people’s business? Blackgryphon’s relationship is not grooming. Like, they’re married and happy and as long as it stays that way, it’s fine. Stop creating drama
..I know it's been said alot but I'll say it again. Stay out of other peoples business and stop acting like individuals have no agency at as teens,20's and do on ,oh no a crush,oh you can be acquaintances or friends or even have any amount of contact whatsoever without it being something that people seem to think is automatically wrong and nefarious,get your own lives people and shut up,good lord
So THAT’S the groomer Saberspark was defending, damn. Yeah as an adult, if a kid mentions how they have a crush on you online, you can literally just not respond, it’s that easy. Even if you don’t know their age, why risk having sexual / romantic conversations with strangers on the internet you don’t even know are of legal age? It’s weird, and denying that fact is even weirder. The tweets are literally right there bro, either own up to them and apologize or somehow convince the world they’re fake, because defending them is sus as Hell.
I forgot to mention Saber is secretly an Ableist to the Autism Community after tweeting a Misunderstood Controversial Figure with an image of the Yellow Circle Guy silently disturbed.
@@Kirbing0 Chris-Chan is a convicted s*xual ab*ser who is currently free and tagged saberspark on twitter to do a review of scott pilgrim takes off. This is just a small edit but this was his response along with the original tweet. I believe the person above you is trying to make the ridiculous statement that saberspark not being kind to a s*xual ab*ser somehow makes him ableist because Chris-Chan happens to be autistic. ruclips.net/video/mINJpjk2fcI/видео.htmlsi=i3osu-SJXNGyrk8w
@@Kirbing0 Got my comment removed for trying to provide a link, so I'll just explain. Chris-Chan, a well known figure who is a convicted s*xual ab*ser, tweeted at saber asking him to review the series Scott Pilgrim takes off. Saber just replied with a wordless gif of an uncomfortable emoji, which is pretty understandable as most people wouldn't want to be tagged by someone who s*xually ab*sed their elderly mother with dementia. The person above you is being incredibly ableist themselves by implying that what Chris Chan did is somehow excusable due to neurodivergence.
I have been noticing a decline in Saber's work recently. I haven't been too interested in watching his stuff anymore, so if this eventually goes too far, I am 100% gonna unsubscribe to him. It just doesn't seem fair anymore that all these people we've known are turning out a little suspicious 😞
@@geoffreyrichards6079 Ugh... To tell you the truth, I've been seriously thinking about it. People can so easily ruin your trust nowadays, it's pathetic
5:38 I would like to argue it’s not technically hypothetical on his part as even while looking at the thumb nails and name, he’s not baiting people into clicking on his video, most people already know what kind of content he does, even reading the title we can see that he even states “it’s not for kids”. If a child were to click on a video because of the thumbnails that’s more of their own fault for not looking. plus, the McDonald’s family joke i’m pretty sure he was just jumping on that joke train and not actually “obsessed”. Idk, just to me the saberspark drama is really stupid tbfh…
I feel like what happened with Gabriel Brown was she liked him around 14-15, and they talked a lot in private online and teased her publicly about how she likes him. It seemed extremely weird and creepy, but maybe he wasn't thinking that it looked like that when he interacted like that with her publicly at those times, all he knew was that she had a crush on him so he teased her about it publicly. Later on, around when she was between 16-18, he most probably already made the decision that she is for him and he likes her back at that point, but decided not to act upon that and just waited for her to be of legal age. I believe that Gabe isn't attracted to her necessarily because she was young, but he does enjoy being a little "childish". I guess he did the right thing he could for his situation, it is obviously just extremely weird, but therefore that doesn't make Gabe a "predator" just yet (i hope i'm right)
@@MothManBuzz I have my doubts that it is only then that someone has feelings for the other, when they asked them out. Maybe a year or two before Gabe could be thinking about potentially saying yes, surely he likes her before him saying yes right? Why would you say yes if that's exactly the only time you like them back? Shouldn't deciding to say yes to someone take time to ensure it's the right decision
@@MothManBuzz why would you bring that up now that he has a wife? i didn't say anything against the ace part, i never said he was sexually attracted. He literally is in a relationship, with his now wife. There is no way you're married for no reason, Gabriel knows the implication of marriage
wasn't that one of the Japanese mcds ad that like are actually encouraging people to have kids? I feel like the joke was about that and not a fetish thing.
Wait there's drama with these two? Like i checked they were friends and were apart of Bronies React years ago before they became known content creators so this is completely wild to me.
I can understand the hatred towards the other guy but not saberspark. Although I don't appreciate if that other guy did have a relationship with that girl when she was a lot younger. That saberspark is defending him.... That gives me a bit of a weird feeling but as long as he doesn't turn out as a predator or something similar. I'll still be with him. I still really love the guy and his content
not trying to say grooming is good, but as long as both parties are in agreement and its not like somehow is yelling to get me out of here, i seriously dont care. plus saberspark barely has anything to go with this entire story lol all of it happened in early 2024 and it seriously doesnt matter much anymore :/ i dont care for either creator but if you dont like them just dont watch em.
I was a little confused by your comment, but it seems like you're trying to say that minor/adult relationships are fine as long as both are consenting, which in that case... The whole point of consent laws is that minors are too immature to consent to a relationship with a mature person, and there's a reason for that. Their brains are not fully developed, and are not in an equal standing within the relationship as a result, they are often not reliable for telling right from wrong when it comes to their own best interests and what's dangerous. Especially since most predators target minors specifically because they want someone easy to take advantage of. Even in a rare situation where both people in the relationship have earnest intentions for each other, it's STILL unhealthy and dangerous to the minor. It's like letting a little kid choose whatever food they wanted to eat; they would just always choose dessert, and that would make them sick. There are decisions that minors are too young to make. The adult can easily influence the minor in dangerous ways, even if they do not realize it. They can never be at equal standing, even when the adult isn't malicious they have too much power. A relationship between a child/teen and an adult will never be healthy. (Obviously 17 and 18 is a different case, which I must clarify because RUclips commentors must find any reason to pick you apart even when you're saying that predators are bad.)
@@SkiggsMoDiggs yea no predators are bad. But in a case like this the girl was 15 at the youngest. Much better (in the sense of ages not trying to be cancelled here) then the ones who attack 5 year olds. Plus they both are adults now, able to consent to a relationship. Thanks for the long coment tho that shows consideration in a topic. (Also i think ive heard of stories just like this with dan povinimire (the guy who made phineas and ferb and other shows) was dating a 25 year old at 16 or something. And somehow he and that girl weren’t cancelled for that.) not trying to justify it but still there are a bunch more cases of this in the world that no one cares about and just hops on the bandwagon of one guy
@@TryTheRoachBurger 15 is still way too young to consent to an adult. Even if their both adults now, the foundation is dangerous and inequal, and the relationship bloomed from that. Now that she was groomed from a young age to trust him, even as an adult she is still being taken advantage of. She was taught as a minor to just trust and listen to him no matter what everyone else says, he still has the unfair advantage over her. It's like teaching a child that all snakes are friendly and now as an adult they're going out trying to catch them all. She's learned to trust and love someone who is dangerous to a blind extent. There really isn't a "better" or "worse" situation when it comes to grooming, any minors being groomed is just as bad.
I will say i dont think saberspark’s content was ever meant for kids. Just because he covers media targeted towards kids sometimes doesn’t mean he is a family friendly channel
2024 will always be remembered as the year of the predator ( we witnessed content creators,celebs,influencers,show creators,etc getting exposed) an awful time to be a minor
That's the real problem. They should be unexposable. No one should lift a finger to take them down. I'd rather their "evil deeds" be swept under the rug.
Wow. Nice to see two YTbers I used to be super into sorta be outed for their weird behavior. I knew Gryphon was friends with the VA for Applebloom…but I didn’t know about everything else. What about the ppl who were close to her? Besides her father, is there anyone else saying the relationship was inappropriate?? I feel like they’d have a better POV on what it is
after not watching the video and instead skimming through the comments i have come to the uneducated opinion that black gryhpon is not a groomer but just very weird
It's always that. You can't escape YT Cancel Culture. btw, Saber is an Ableist in a secret way to express on his Twitter reply against the Autism Group.
My breaking point for Saberspark was that weird gif story of his female self but I'd been distant from watching his stuff for a ling time as I was uncomfortable with the weird sex and fetish stuff he'd bring up in his videos out of nowhere mid speech about a different topic.
Screw twitter! Saberspark is getting a W for standing up to the horrible dad. In my opinion he's not a bad person. And he doesn't deserve hate. Does he makes mistakes yes but everyone does. As for black gryphon As Werid as the idea of Romance here is Black Gryphon at least Didn't do anything bad to her , not to mention that she and him are now both adults when they married so yeah lets not slap labels on others like this. Saber isn't perfect. And that's okay. Same goes out for black gryphon. I honestly hope their doing well. Im tired of this but unfortunately we live in a modern age where everyone is a Puppet for views.
honestly knowing twitter, i feel like this entire controversy's gonna turn out to be another kwite/vinny vinesauce/ and alex kister situation. Where an ex or some bastard is just making up excuses to cancel them and twitter immediately follows it. but who knows anymore at this rate, i'm just done with this bullshit
the accusation isnt even coming from someone who knows them
@@MothManBuzz Oh of course.. So my "Twitter who cried pedophile" theory is correct 😮💨
@drdespair3651 That needs To be a real story
@@dawncruz5699 It really does
As a Typhlosion fan I know how you feel.
So Saberspark has recently stated that he wants to improve his content and yes his current content may not be as good or funny as his origional, theres just this effort and feeling I relate to- of trying to become something more. He wants to completly rebrand and grow his channel beyond sex themed topics and “what the hell” vids. Which I already liked but I get wanting to branch out. So I respect the effort and I still love his channel! His informal vids such as the fairly odd parents one was really good! And so was the Balto one. Im excited to see where he takes this new direction in the following years.
I blame RUclips for forcing his hand, personally.
@@wantedasylum1091 You can also blame it on his audience.
doubling down on what the people liked is normally what entertainer like youtuber does.
It's just that doubling on the funny sexy furry bits makes it uncomfortable for the average person
@JNPG-Id3gl no, you can't blame the audience. You can blame the creator tho for posting the things that attract that audience
@@NateS917 yes, you can blame it on the creator but it does not mean you can't also blame it on his audience, you can put the blame on just about everything.
He made content that attracted a new audience, making his overall audience bigger, so he made more of it despite that new content starting to alienate his old audience
I did notice that Sabersparks sounded defeated in his episode about Brainrot but honestly as long as he doesn’t turn out to be a predator or a supporter of a predator I don’t think I’m going to unsub from him just yet.
I gotta tell you something.. 😞
@@astral_shooting Oh nooooo
@@astral_shooting Spit it out
@@alyxgraff9121 he did defend a groomer 😞
@@astral_shooting Do you have a link proving this? Both a link to him defending one & a link to evidence that the person he's defending is a groomer?
"Obsession with breeding" saywhatnow
Huh
WHAT
Right like wtf does he mean by that
So it wasn’t just me losing my mind huh
Ive legit like rewatched that part like 7 times questioning if I was hearing the right thing. Ive watched saberspark since his mlp vids and im so confused.
Saber doesn’t really Goon bait anymore. His YT Brainrot thumbnail isn’t even NSFW. The point was just to show off wild brainrot images, so that was a bit of a weak criticism.
Now, Gryph0n. I have no idea. I can’t say he groomed her, cause that’ll kinda be jumping the gun. There is no hardcore evidence he groomed her. Is it weird he was talking the way he was with her, knowing she had a crush on him? Absolutely. Does it look weird they actually got into a relationship afterwards? Yes. But I don’t know if it’s grooming. There’s no proof he intended to get into a relationship with her, which is a part of grooming
Do you forget Saber didn't know how to support Autism Fully? All because of that dumb Twitter reply meant to think it's ableism toward a specific neurodivergent group.
@@CoffeeVintagem8-ni4wz I’m not on Twitter tbh, so no I didn’t know
@@dabatman5187 For context, saberspark replied with an uncomfortable looking emoji gif because he was tagged by a convicted s*xual ab*ser. It isn't about autism. The person who tagged him has autism but of course that doesn't make them immune to being called out as an ab*ser.
No, he isn't a groomer. At worst, it was a strange case of love. The term grooming is misused heavily nowadays. In reality, all they did was flirt.
@@ytgetsonmynwrverahere's a thought, if youre over 20 dont flirt with a teenager.
If I had a penny for how many of my favourites creators get into controversy , I would have over 30-100 pennies
which is NOT weird because it KEEPS happening (and needs to stop)😭
Well, maybe if all these so called ''victims'' would stop lying about them, maybe...i dunno...blame themselves?
Which isn’t a whole lot, but it’s strange how it KEEPS HAPPENING (and needs to stop)
Nah, it has to be at least enough to buy a candy bar
@MultiMaker_Studios okay thats fair enough, and it's accurate too (I have -0$)
I’ve been less interested in Saber’s content for a while now too. But I will say, I’ve done parts for his Joshua and the Promised Land Reanimated project and he’s very pleasant.
I noticed a lack of interest too. But I’m recognizing that I’m not as interested when he includes stream portions into his videos instead of having it completely edited like old videos. It’s the same with Penguinz0’s videos, it’s like I instantly loose interest as soon as it switches from edited video to a stream clip. I can’t say exactly why that is yet but it’s just something I’ve noticed.
@@silvertrees6421I thought I was the only one
this drama is literally just the, "I consent" "I consent" "I dont." meme
the saddest part is you're not wrong
Fr just seems like a monstrous nothing burger.
Weird tweets with a teenager tho
So.. two ppl who liked each other since she was a teen at least, sure she had a crush, oh well? That happens.
He didn’t date anyone else, no other little kiddos, no barely legal types, nothing.
He waited till she was at least 20 (not 18, but in fact 20), a fully grown adult woman. They ended up married, they’re happy and no one is being abused.
He didn’t actually groom her. It might seem like it surface level, but… _I’ve_ been _actually_ groomed, irl. What you explained wasn’t real grooming, it’s questionable, sure, but he doesn’t have a history of creeping or using barely legal girls. He seems legit so far. It might make _you_ feel icky, but as legal adults you should lay off and stop bullying the couple!
Sometimes things like this happen and there’s zero actual abuse. As in they legit love each other. It can and does happen. Yes some don’t mean well, but that’s not everyone.
(I say these again, as someone who was _actually_ groomed and who feels safer and more comfortable with someone older than me, as I’m sure she does too)
Oh I am sorry for you. . .🥺 are you doing arlright?? I hope you are
And according to you this is actually not grooming is it? And thinking about it do you think this should'nt have happend?🤔
I am just a bit curious about your opinion
“He waited to she was at least 20, a fully grown adult woman.”
Dawg that just *sounds* like groomer behavior I don’t think you need to understand how horrible that sounds
@@alexcodexxthekinereader1212
Hmmmmm
I guess you are right
@@alexcodexxthekinereader1212 But that means she is also an adult and able to think critically. We can't assume a grown ass woman is incapable of thinking critically about her relationships. That's extremely sexist.
@@alexcodexxthekinereader1212 It sounds like it bc it's probably what we've come to think of it
It's much better if he 'waited for her' rather than him to immediately when she was younger, shows he atleast has some understanding (although considerably creepy, it doesn't inherently make him a bad person, considering the mental health problems going into groomers and predators)
It's a grey area and often depends on the topic, this situation is legal and seems healthy but can be considered weird (coming from someone who has been SA'ed and has done lots of topic research due to it)
It's really all based on circumstance
I still like SaberSparks content (but those thumbnails are pretty weird even as a little weirdo myself).
The annoying thing about when a younger (adult) woman gets with an older man a lot of people suddenly become sexist and say that there's no way the woman could have had any agency in dating the guy and surely was coerced or groomed. Out of nowhere a grown adult is NOT capable of making her own decisions on her own just because she is female. That said...Gabriel had no business interacting with literal kids on social media the way that he did. It was inappropriate. But also also, we have 0 proof of actual grooming or sexual misconduct.
We did watch the same video did we not? That thirty year old man was totally okay flirting with and lying about his “friendship status” with a 16 year old little girl when comforted about it allllll the way up until that little girl was a 21 year old adult. The fact that he said they were hardly even friends, and he was “friends” with a 16 year old little girl in the first place as his age, is disturbing and wrong.
Please, never have children, because you would never know if they were being molested or groomed on the internet, clearly 💀
@@meat3958 But if they didn't start dating until she was of age, then we have no reason to believe anything illegal happened beforehand. Being flirtatious is not the same as doing something illegal. I don't agree with his behavior prior to her becoming of age, but if his wife made her own decision as a grown adult to date him, then quit presuming she couldn't have made that decision on her own without being manipulated just because she is younger and a woman.
Btw, I'm saying this as someone who was in online spaces I shouldn't have been in when I was a kid. I know better than to let any kids I have be online without total supervision and site blockers.
@@purelysmetalnightcore they didn’t start dating before she was of legal age because if they had, he’d have been called out as the predator that he is. He groomed that little girl for years, priming her to be allllll over him with his “soft rejections” and still continuing to “be her friend” despite the INAPPROPRIATE relationship so that when she was eventually legal, he could continue to flirt and tease her until actually dating her, now that he knew we could t say he wanted to touch a kid. Shameful you can’t see that. Please never have children of your own. People like you having children directly puts them in danger from predatory adults.
@@meat3958 You took only a few Tweets and spun a huge narrative that makes it sound like he was in her DMs being sexual with her and we have no proof of that. You're making what was shown sound a lot worse than it was. You're blowing it out of proportion and also refuse to acknowledge the fact that Claire is an adult and can choose who she dates. He also said that she asked him out and we have no reason to believe otherwise. She had a crush on him for years. Ever consider she also recognized she shouldn't try to date him until she was an adult? You're removing Claire's agency entirely and making it sound like he's married to a child. He's not. Quit being sexist.
I mean, maybe. But I don’t think that applies here. They new each other for a while well into her teenage years. I’m sure if they met when she was eighteen or nineteen and then started hanging out and then got married, 90% of the people who have an issue with it wouldn’t. At least I certainly would. This isn’t a “Leonardo diCaprio dates younger but still *very* legal women” type situation, ya know.
Bruh, I get they're both kind of weird, but they're overall both chill dudes
This isn't, like, Mr. Beast level stuff
I’ve discovered TikTok and a lot of the younger generation have massive issues with age gap relationships, I’ve seen someone try and claim that someone was a pedo or groomer because there was a 3 year age gap in a relationship. I see it as weird when it’s majority guys who shoot for younger I mean way younger girls than themselves but if they’re both of age when that happens you cant have people scream grooming, adults are free to do as they please. Gabe has been connected to all the CMC VA’s for years, he did brony react with Apple Blooms VA a few times and collaborated with her A LOT in past, he’s got a lot of connections in the VA community especially the MLP community. Gabe was an ex military guy, he was the “hot” talented guy in the brony community back then he kept rising and rising gaining more and more contacts with people who worked on mlp because he was pushing himself as a singer/va. I remember the news dropping he got into the production team for the music, it was crazy to think this guy who liked the show actually pushed through and made it into working on it! It was awesome.
Gabe imo hasn’t done anything to label himself as a predatory creep. do I think it’s weird, yes. But I mean as long as they weren’t doing anything illegal then why should it matter about the age gap? I don’t see gabe as the type for it, I think he’s an idiot for not seeing how others might view it but i wouldn’t call him a creep. Yes on her end it might have been a crush she had on him for awhile but as long as he never reciprocated it in any form then I don’t see an issue, both dating when you’re both adults isn’t anything to go crazy over, just lot of people feel weird because of the age gap between them and the fact they knew eachother when she was still a minor. But once again as long as nothing happened when she was younger i see no fault in it just a weird age gap relationship. If evidence was to come out stating other wise then of course I’d change my feelings on it but atm I just see it as one of those older guys dating girls who are younger than them relationships and if they truly do have that much in common then good on them.
NO MORE DRAMA! IT'S TOOO MUCH
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I've def noticed his content slowly becoming more negative over time. It's an easy trap to fall into since that's what encourages the most interaction. I can tolerate him being a bit weird though, so long as he's not another predator in disguise. I'm so tired of finding out the people I follow are horrible
Since we're in a world of short attention spans, engineered soulless products, and terminally online zoomers such as myself. I find just about anything with the word "Drama" next to it hard to believe.
@@wantedasylum1091 I would honestly stick with Digital Circus or Indie Internet Shows or Movies to entertain without focusing on the RUclipsrs or Internet Personality Individuals. I love touching grass, Netflix n chill.
I respect Saberspark because at least his channel is not made for kids, and for mature audiences. At least he's not a predator or supporter of a predator, there was a show named "Twelve Forever" which he reviewed, but he also brought up the controversy which may have led to the cancellation of Twelve Forever, and that is regarding its creator, Julia Vickerman, who admitted stalking a 14-year-old boy, after that she made a cheap apology claiming it was a joke, although situations of stalking minors is always frowned upon and isn't something to be joked about. Saberspark did not approve of what she had done. Also, that's just Saberspark being himself enjoying green humor and what not. Everyone has tastes, and what not.
I’m at least glad that gryphon didn’t reciprocate the lovey dovey feeling until she was 20 (2 years legal). If he was a true groomer he’d reciprocate them at 18 out the gate of her birthday, or maybe even earlier
"It's weird, but it's legal"
As in "He did not proceed until she was an adult"
That's literally it, why is everyone losing their shit?
A whole different story would be if he had gone too far.
I can’t understand the internet sometimes
@@Spyke7566it's full of idiots who sit online all day everyday, with nothing to do with their lives
@@mystcat3 seriously I’ve had this conversation with both of them about how dumb the internet is you have no idea 😅
i hope black gryth0n isn't a groomer, i love his music
Support the art not the artist is a thing you can do
@@KarmaticWasHere yes but however, it can be quite hard to support the art if it’s still gives the artist revenue
@@maceymagee6802PIRATE THAT SHIT BABY!
He married the (FULLY GROWN ADULT) woman, I don’t think he’s using her. Unless they became a couple when she turned 18, but they waited till she was 20- and honestly, as a gal who prefers older guys, she’s probably the one who initiated the relationship, not him.
They’re adults, they’re happy, in love- they’ll probably start a family someday, no abuse is going on- I think people should lay off them. Let them live and be happy.
@@maceymagee6802 RUclips to mp3/mp4 you're welcome
Saberspark the type of guy to say “they knew what they were doing 😏” when he sees an anthro girl from a cartoon.
I still watch him, he recommended my now favorite show (murder drones), i just wish he wouldnt add so much gooner art to the thumnails 😭😭😭😭
I'm gonna be honest, gooner is an overused buzzword that basically means, "you feel sexual attraction, how evil." it's honestly just an example of purity culture
@@candydream16 its less about purity culture and more about corn addiction (not internet brained that bad, just trying to make sure youtube doesnt flag this comment). I'll admit that i may be biased since i'm ace, sex repulsed ace specifically, but that doesn't change the fact that corn addiction is getting worse. to the point of negative perceptions brought on by brain alterations.
i understand where you are coming from tho, i agree that purity culture is stupid is dumb and people should be able to feel attraction, even if thats not something i especially enjoy. and i agree that the term gooner is often misused to mean "anyone who feels a sliver of sexual attraction".
sorry for yapping too much, i just struggle with being concise :3
Also the that japanese mcdonald literally was made as incintive for people to get married and form a family, that's why Saber comments on breeding, countries like japan are desperate over their low birth rates.
Anytime I see things like this it makes me think about my family. My grandparents have a slight age gap, my grandfather waited to marry my grandmother...My parents do too and again waited til it was "legal"...the female was younger but the male in both scenarios respected boundaries. So I think if BG interacted with that girl in a more perverted light or sexually then it'd be bad but if they were friends and joking then it'd be okay. Just my opinion don't come after me please 🙏🙏
I'm so fucking tired of youtubers getting into controversies I just want to watch youtube without having to deal with this shit
Well, that's 2024 for ya
The sad thing is that when drama happens with RUclips content creators, others will feed into it, and because they literally have NOTHING ELSE to talk about, they’ll make videos like this as a way to get views, because people love f***ing drama. 😔
Hey, so I appreciate you making this. I found a video about a week ago talking about the black gryphon thing, but I refused to watch the video, because of the nasty af comment that same person made on the Poison song in Hazbin.
To specify, the dude admitted to have no experience with sa, but took the leaked scene of the song completely out of context, brought up how the dancing was inappropriate, and then straght up made an edit of that exact scene of Angel dancing to fortnite music. I believe that video was made before the show even came out. As an sa victim, that was more then just insulting.
This immediately after he released his new music video?
A little suspicious.
The allegations and controversy has been around and resurfaced again months ago, probably it’s getting more attention again because the new music video put him back into a spotlight. But again, the controversy has been around for a long time
I wasn't aware of this. Honestly, I am unsure on what I think of this yet. I haven't heard anyone address this until recently.
I am not on any side until more comes out about it. I like his work but now I'm torn on whether or not I want to support him...
These are allegations, so I will just say that for now I don't have an option on it. But I definitely ain't defending him. Hopefully, more comes out about this.
As for SaberSpark, I like his content and his channel. I've been watching him for years. As long as Saber isn't a bad person then I will continue to watch his content. I haven't heard anything bad about him yet, and I hope that he doesn't turn out to be a predator or something. It would be disappointing to hear since it seems like most people have been getting exposed for it recently.
This video feels unnecessary. The “ obsession with breeding” is a one time joke, Claire and Gabriel were both consenting adults when they got into a serious relationship (ago gap is weird but not illegal or immoral) and Saberspark doesn’t make brain rot or just kids content. Yes his thumbnails can be click bait (I’ll give you that) but not actually trash water videos like “Pomie gets pregnant with Charlie. Love Hotel Minecraft”.
This was just a whole lot of nothing burger, honestly. Bet you’re an alright guy but this barely counts as drama.
It never ceases to amaze me how people make character analysis of someone over thumbnail, like i watched Balto 3 i know that fembird is real and than the thumbnail is an actual frame from the movie.
95% BG and 5% Saberspark
It's crazy that he got into the thumbnail and was barely even talked about and he didn't even mention much directly related to the situation
@@DominicDoritos Exactly. I was so surprised to hear that apparently everyone hates saberspark. And the reason is cuz he's always been embracing the weirdness. I can't say much about BG. He makes some fire music is all I know.
Saber is also moreso explaining what's happening less than saying that he's fine with it. Hell he said himself how weird it is.
@@MASTERSANS666 Exactly, people are just looking for even the smallest bit of dirt they can find on big creators
The title implies Saberspark and BlackGryphon were having a feud against each other.
Not going to lie to you saberspark content feels genuine. And sometimes just feed to the masses like the McDonald's anime! alot of people were drawing suggestive stuff of the mom. probably that's what he was going for
ill side with whatever claire says she is the priority
I understand where all the hate and criticism is coming from and Gabriel (Black Gryph0n) does deserve it unless he provides strong proof he wasn't trying to be weird. However, Saberspark isn't at fault here because friends are known to defend each other if something were to come up. Like I said, there's probably not enough evidence for Saber to go off of or he hasn't seen it yet. We should keep an eye on Gryph0n, but not be so hard on Saber, since he is against this stuff.
Probably the first time I've seen a drama being strangely explained on this channel, but alright.. I'm not gonna judge quite yet, just got a bad feeling.
For the controversy itself, i agree with people saying this doesn't seem or feel like grooming at all, waiting for her to be 20 (not 18, like some real groomers tend to do, which is still on that thin line of adult/young adult) was the right thing to do before getting in a relationship, this way she would be completely aware of what was happening, cause 20 is a good age menatl maturity wise.
For saber, i think calling him an hypocrite for being sometimes suggestive, when he NEVER intended to appeal to a younger audience, is just straight up stretching it. His content is really nice, he documents everything he reviews still and his concern with brain rotting content and such is completely legitimate, because it is becoming a problem, just like channels stealing content from other RUclipsrs (without transforming it) and making money over it. He's a chill and funny dude, an adult playing jokingly into the idea that HIS COMMUNITY saw him as a furry lover or as an h*rny guy for a long time...i don't see anything wrong to be fair.
Maybe I'm biased cause I'm a little sick of hearing "gooner bait" thrown around with ZZZ to make an example, making a bad reputation around a game that is legit so fun for being a gacha, and im getting the samw vibe for Saber. Been following him gor years and if you think his content is for kids just because his avatar is cutely drawn, then you're kinda having the eame mentality of "animated = for kids" that RUclips wants to force on creators.
This is a huge nothing burger and I despise the way it's being covered. "A 25 year old has no business talking to a 14 year old.", they were obviously joking. Making all this out to be bigger than it is will only complicate things for actual victims of grooming.
Bit of a long one so buckle in: While I'm still not sure how to feel regarding the situation with Gabriel, I can concur that so far, he doesn't seem to be mistreating her in some way...at least, not that I'm aware of. Now, if she was in a toxic relationship, especially during those...weird years, that would be cause for concern and good reason to start doing something about Gabriel, but none of what's happened with those two seems to be done with malicious intent and she did reconnect when she was of age, despite the still questionable gap. I'm still weirded out by it and still think the full context makes me scratch my head, but it's not enough for me to start hating his music or him as a person, for that matter.
(On a similar note for contrast, another brony artist I was a fan of, Andrew "Mandopony" Stein, did stuff that was...bad, to say the least, while cheating to boot and he did so with ill intent. All of which eventually made me stop listening to his music after hearing somwhere that some of his songs could be seen as reflective/boastful of his IRL actions, something that I can't enjoy from a morally questionable artist. Not gonna go too into detail on that because this is already long enough as is; you can look it up for yourself.)
Regarding Saberspark though, yeah, even without the weird thumbnails, his content's been getting progressively negative and with it, his professionalism has been declining. Guess the videoes about brainrot and hollywood broke something in him. As long as he himself or anyone he's defending for that matter, doesn't turn out to be a creeper, I'm fine with his videoes, and him as a person, and will continue to do so. I do worry about him, however, and I hope his content becomes more positive soon as well not go down a dark path.
Note: I've heard rumors about Saber saying some...questionable things about people with autism. As a counterpoint, I'm on the spectrum and I haven't heard anything about any comments that could be seen as ableist, nor have I seen anything about matters like that. As such, until I see evidence to the contrary and the man himself has addressed said evidence, these rumors will be ignored and chalked up as slander made by disgruntled ex-fans/haters.
Whole thing seems like a big nothing burger of unnecessary drama. Plus Saberspark hasn’t been making as many thirstbait thumbnails and videos/topics as of late so that argument’s kinda flimsy.
Claire Corlett has made it perfectly clear that she doesn't want to be "saved" from her loving and talented husband. People need to learn to stop being so shocked and mortified by shit that doesn't concern them. Sometimes, it's right to turn a blind eye and never take action.
I mean, let's be honest here. These men are rarely ever at fault. It's either lying accusers trying to advance themselves or the MeToo movement empowering the worst in our society. These so-called "survivors" are the types who always put beloved men on and then have the nerve to act "traumatized" years later. We'd all be happy without MeToo there to encourage their entitled behavior.
Brenda knows what I’m getting from this is stupid drama because he’s friends with someone who has concurrency… And now people are going after him because of his thumbnails and his opinions… pretty much this is a don’t give a shit drama
And I’m talking about me I do not give a shit about this
I hope RizzRecords should make AI Songs of Saberspark and the Drama.
Good idea🎉
I feel like if Gryphon’s wife was being mistreated by him she would have realized it like how she did with her father. Yea their behavior is odd and not a normal way to speak to someone so much younger but it might not have been done with malicious intentions.
With Saberspark however, his content has definitely declined along with the care he puts into his image/behavior. Should have stayed professional and out of it for this one.
I usually don’t reply to things like this, but I am going to jump in and defend Saber on this one. He was at our wedding and personally witnessed how the defamation and attacks hurt us (especially Claire). He knows the full extent of the emotional abuse she suffered growing up, and how difficult it has been for her to recover, only to be attacked, belittled, and slandered repeatedly by people who pretend to care about her but are just chasing clout and spreading drama. He has a huge heart and was fed up with the attacks on our behalf so he decided to defend us. He knew what he was risking and he did it anyway because he cares more about his friends than his career. I will always be grateful for that.
I've met and hung out with just about everyone mentioned in this video, twice 💀
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Saber can come off really biased in many of his videos as well, even when I was a fan I noticed if he "liked" one of the female characters, the show would be perfect which isn't the point of critiquing (the main example I can give is the helluva boss show, it has many faults but the whole video is him talking about Loona and not saying actual criticisms)
On that last bit, Saber isn't really trying to hide that he's a gooner, he's respectable with that, he's not like trying to act like he's not into weird shit sometimes, and he's perfectly valid for shitting on gooner posting targeted towards kids because if you see his channel, his videos are obviously NOT targetted towards kids.
I do not know the other stuff but that part is not a valid criticism unless you just hate gooners.
With the way Saberspark talks in his videos, I'm pretty sure that burger clip was taken out of context and meant to be a joke. I could be wrong, but from my understanding of his content (I've been watching him for years) that's what it sounds like.
The comment section is scary
Bro. Why’s everyone gotta stick their noses in people’s business? Blackgryphon’s relationship is not grooming. Like, they’re married and happy and as long as it stays that way, it’s fine. Stop creating drama
..I know it's been said alot but I'll say it again. Stay out of other peoples business and stop acting like individuals have no agency at as teens,20's and do on ,oh no a crush,oh you can be acquaintances or friends or even have any amount of contact whatsoever without it being something that people seem to think is automatically wrong and nefarious,get your own lives people and shut up,good lord
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bro think this will change how people act nah bait used to be beliab-OMG IS THAT THE RED MIST great vertical split+ on rush
Gabe should not divulge his private life then... then no one online would be talking about it 🤷♂️
Video takes too long.
Stretching for an hour.
Can be explained in 10 minutes.
There are videos of black gryphon and Claire hanging out dating back to 2015 that are still up
So THAT’S the groomer Saberspark was defending, damn. Yeah as an adult, if a kid mentions how they have a crush on you online, you can literally just not respond, it’s that easy. Even if you don’t know their age, why risk having sexual / romantic conversations with strangers on the internet you don’t even know are of legal age? It’s weird, and denying that fact is even weirder. The tweets are literally right there bro, either own up to them and apologize or somehow convince the world they’re fake, because defending them is sus as Hell.
I forgot to mention Saber is secretly an Ableist to the Autism Community after tweeting a Misunderstood Controversial Figure with an image of the Yellow Circle Guy silently disturbed.
@@CoffeeVintagem8-ni4wz where can I find this? (Link)
@@Kirbing0the “misunderstood controversial figure” was Chris Chan. He reacted with that picture because Chris is a r@pist.
@@Kirbing0 Chris-Chan is a convicted s*xual ab*ser who is currently free and tagged saberspark on twitter to do a review of scott pilgrim takes off. This is just a small edit but this was his response along with the original tweet. I believe the person above you is trying to make the ridiculous statement that saberspark not being kind to a s*xual ab*ser somehow makes him ableist because Chris-Chan happens to be autistic.
ruclips.net/video/mINJpjk2fcI/видео.htmlsi=i3osu-SJXNGyrk8w
@@Kirbing0 Got my comment removed for trying to provide a link, so I'll just explain.
Chris-Chan, a well known figure who is a convicted s*xual ab*ser, tweeted at saber asking him to review the series Scott Pilgrim takes off. Saber just replied with a wordless gif of an uncomfortable emoji, which is pretty understandable as most people wouldn't want to be tagged by someone who s*xually ab*sed their elderly mother with dementia. The person above you is being incredibly ableist themselves by implying that what Chris Chan did is somehow excusable due to neurodivergence.
I have been noticing a decline in Saber's work recently. I haven't been too interested in watching his stuff anymore, so if this eventually goes too far, I am 100% gonna unsubscribe to him. It just doesn't seem fair anymore that all these people we've known are turning out a little suspicious 😞
You might as well become a misanthrope in general if grievances like these are enough to turn you away from individuals.
@@geoffreyrichards6079 Ugh... To tell you the truth, I've been seriously thinking about it. People can so easily ruin your trust nowadays, it's pathetic
The way Saber kept ending his sentences in his videos was enough to stop watching.
i was completely unaware of this and probably would've preferred having that continue being the case
I didn't even know there was any drama. I just watched one of his videos.
5:38 I would like to argue it’s not technically hypothetical on his part as even while looking at the thumb nails and name, he’s not baiting people into clicking on his video, most people already know what kind of content he does, even reading the title we can see that he even states “it’s not for kids”. If a child were to click on a video because of the thumbnails that’s more of their own fault for not looking. plus, the McDonald’s family joke i’m pretty sure he was just jumping on that joke train and not actually “obsessed”. Idk, just to me the saberspark drama is really stupid tbfh…
0:58 OH SHIT THATS ME
I feel like what happened with Gabriel Brown was she liked him around 14-15, and they talked a lot in private online and teased her publicly about how she likes him. It seemed extremely weird and creepy, but maybe he wasn't thinking that it looked like that when he interacted like that with her publicly at those times, all he knew was that she had a crush on him so he teased her about it publicly. Later on, around when she was between 16-18, he most probably already made the decision that she is for him and he likes her back at that point, but decided not to act upon that and just waited for her to be of legal age. I believe that Gabe isn't attracted to her necessarily because she was young, but he does enjoy being a little "childish". I guess he did the right thing he could for his situation, it is obviously just extremely weird, but therefore that doesn't make Gabe a "predator" just yet (i hope i'm right)
Claire asked Gabe out when she was 20, thats not rly waiting for legal age
@@MothManBuzz I have my doubts that it is only then that someone has feelings for the other, when they asked them out. Maybe a year or two before Gabe could be thinking about potentially saying yes, surely he likes her before him saying yes right? Why would you say yes if that's exactly the only time you like them back? Shouldn't deciding to say yes to someone take time to ensure it's the right decision
@@WhatsThisOwO he said no but she kept asking, claire and michelle both made a statment sayin so
@@MothManBuzz Like i said, do you say "yes" to someone without any liking to that person beforehand? They aren't strangers at all
@@MothManBuzz why would you bring that up now that he has a wife? i didn't say anything against the ace part, i never said he was sexually attracted. He literally is in a relationship, with his now wife. There is no way you're married for no reason, Gabriel knows the implication of marriage
How the fuck is grooming a minor two fully grown adults liking each other. Age gaps don't matter once the youngest one is 18
I don’t get it.. black gryphon did not do anything wrong.
@@Spyke7566 exactly
wasn't that one of the Japanese mcds ad that like are actually encouraging people to have kids? I feel like the joke was about that and not a fetish thing.
Wait there's drama with these two?
Like i checked they were friends and were apart of Bronies React years ago before they became known content creators so this is completely wild to me.
I can understand the hatred towards the other guy but not saberspark. Although I don't appreciate if that other guy did have a relationship with that girl when she was a lot younger. That saberspark is defending him.... That gives me a bit of a weird feeling but as long as he doesn't turn out as a predator or something similar. I'll still be with him. I still really love the guy and his content
not trying to say grooming is good, but as long as both parties are in agreement and its not like somehow is yelling to get me out of here, i seriously dont care. plus saberspark barely has anything to go with this entire story lol all of it happened in early 2024 and it seriously doesnt matter much anymore :/ i dont care for either creator but if you dont like them just dont watch em.
I was a little confused by your comment, but it seems like you're trying to say that minor/adult relationships are fine as long as both are consenting, which in that case...
The whole point of consent laws is that minors are too immature to consent to a relationship with a mature person, and there's a reason for that. Their brains are not fully developed, and are not in an equal standing within the relationship as a result, they are often not reliable for telling right from wrong when it comes to their own best interests and what's dangerous. Especially since most predators target minors specifically because they want someone easy to take advantage of.
Even in a rare situation where both people in the relationship have earnest intentions for each other, it's STILL unhealthy and dangerous to the minor. It's like letting a little kid choose whatever food they wanted to eat; they would just always choose dessert, and that would make them sick. There are decisions that minors are too young to make. The adult can easily influence the minor in dangerous ways, even if they do not realize it. They can never be at equal standing, even when the adult isn't malicious they have too much power.
A relationship between a child/teen and an adult will never be healthy. (Obviously 17 and 18 is a different case, which I must clarify because RUclips commentors must find any reason to pick you apart even when you're saying that predators are bad.)
@@SkiggsMoDiggs yea no predators are bad. But in a case like this the girl was 15 at the youngest. Much better (in the sense of ages not trying to be cancelled here) then the ones who attack 5 year olds. Plus they both are adults now, able to consent to a relationship. Thanks for the long coment tho that shows consideration in a topic. (Also i think ive heard of stories just like this with dan povinimire (the guy who made phineas and ferb and other shows) was dating a 25 year old at 16 or something. And somehow he and that girl weren’t cancelled for that.) not trying to justify it but still there are a bunch more cases of this in the world that no one cares about and just hops on the bandwagon of one guy
@@TryTheRoachBurger 15 is still way too young to consent to an adult. Even if their both adults now, the foundation is dangerous and inequal, and the relationship bloomed from that.
Now that she was groomed from a young age to trust him, even as an adult she is still being taken advantage of. She was taught as a minor to just trust and listen to him no matter what everyone else says, he still has the unfair advantage over her. It's like teaching a child that all snakes are friendly and now as an adult they're going out trying to catch them all. She's learned to trust and love someone who is dangerous to a blind extent.
There really isn't a "better" or "worse" situation when it comes to grooming, any minors being groomed is just as bad.
mustard on the beat yo
I will say i dont think saberspark’s content was ever meant for kids. Just because he covers media targeted towards kids sometimes doesn’t mean he is a family friendly channel
It's the same guy who hosted Bronies reacts and having body pillows
I’m sad now 😔
Me too 😞
2024 will always be remembered as the year of the predator ( we witnessed content creators,celebs,influencers,show creators,etc getting exposed) an awful time to be a minor
It indeed is 😔
This year is the one I have the most online presence in, I'm surprised I was never targeted.
That's the real problem. They should be unexposable. No one should lift a finger to take them down. I'd rather their "evil deeds" be swept under the rug.
For me, it's part two of the everyone is a pred from 2020-2021.
@@JackTheBlindOrganistAndCrepey And it's bullshit. Years from now, we're gonna realise what a monumental mistake MeToo was.
This is a nothing burger of a controversy
What about the Kyle Corrosa controversy?
he also put max there. 🐺 no one insults max design pro.. attack.
This video is confusing, bro.
Sooo people are making drama that was a year ago almost 2? Dang people are that pathetic they need to bring shit up
Always thought Saberspark was a little strange tbh, always seemed a little gooner like tbh
Him and Nux Taku would get along great
Saber's an Autism Ableist and a Weirdo. He had ADHD, but I don't think he's trying to accept Neurodiversity.
Awareness = Ableism
He was a brony
Wow. Nice to see two YTbers I used to be super into sorta be outed for their weird behavior.
I knew Gryphon was friends with the VA for Applebloom…but I didn’t know about everything else. What about the ppl who were close to her? Besides her father, is there anyone else saying the relationship was inappropriate?? I feel like they’d have a better POV on what it is
I just searched it up- Saber’s 36??? I thought he was a younger guy
oml (just said this cuz i saw that billie bust up was in the disoumon and thats my fav)
Sabersparks taste in fictional women is based honestly.
So twitter is upset that a gooner doesnt like a particular potential groomer? That the gist? ...okay...
I clicked so fast bro 💀💀
The Twitter stuff seems like a whole lotta nothing, while the saberspark stuff is pretty out of context.
This drama wasn’t what I expected
after not watching the video and instead skimming through the comments i have come to the uneducated opinion that black gryhpon is not a groomer but just very weird
Obsession with what now-
Wait, the guy who made that one FNaF song???
I didn’t even know that people hated Saber.
Mr beast and Ava Kris Tyson worse
It's always that. You can't escape YT Cancel Culture.
btw, Saber is an Ableist in a secret way to express on his Twitter reply against the Autism Group.
@@CoffeeVintagem8-ni4wz did I mention Saberspark once had Cosmodore as a editor
6:04 I know it is you just letting the people know. So I will to with a question. Is he glorifying it?
Shields Flat
Daises was in the back
Really?! That's crazy
I don’t know why people are jumping to defend Gabe despite the years worth of inappropriate moments with her
My breaking point for Saberspark was that weird gif story of his female self but I'd been distant from watching his stuff for a ling time as I was uncomfortable with the weird sex and fetish stuff he'd bring up in his videos out of nowhere mid speech about a different topic.
honestly stopped watching saberspark due to just finding his content draining sometimes
Screw twitter!
Saberspark is getting a W for standing up to the horrible dad. In my opinion he's not a bad person. And he doesn't deserve hate. Does he makes mistakes yes but everyone does.
As for black gryphon As Werid as the idea of Romance here is Black Gryphon at least Didn't do anything bad to her , not to mention that she and him are now both adults when they married so yeah lets not slap labels on others like this.
Saber isn't perfect. And that's okay. Same goes out for black gryphon. I honestly hope their doing well.
Im tired of this but unfortunately we live in a modern age where everyone is a Puppet for views.
Same and so true
They not like us
They not like us
They not like us
As usual Pan-Pizza from RebelTaxi is atll the God emperor of GOAT cartoon reviewer! 🍕🚖
This guy's like in his 40s
If you mean 40s, always the Chris Chan boogeyman.
He's 34
Why he use as background Daisies.
It's one of Gryphon's songs.
6:16 SABER????😭
It’s out of context he was mockin people who said theadvertisement was to try and make people want babies