Body Language Analyst REACTS to John and Patsy Ramsey's MIXED Body Langauge | Faces Episode 28
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THE RAMSEY CASE: / @theramseycase
The world lost the young pageant winner, JonBenet Ramsey, on the 25th of December in 1996. A world of mystery surrounded her passing, and 24 years later, theories are running rampant. Multiple suspects have been unearthed and cleared, leaving anyone interested with few answers and even less certainty. Per popular request, I am analyzing the first-ever interview of John and Patsy Ramsey that was done a mere 7 days after the incident. Enjoy.
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It's truly mind boggling how so inept the Boulder police department is. They blew this case so badly, to the point of making it unsolvable.
Maybe on purpose? Kind of hard to believe that a whole group of grown and trained adults could be that useless by accident, especially in such a high profile case - a white 6 year old from a wealthy and prestigious family murdered and molested in a mysterious way. Immediately they would see how huge this would be, they should have treated it with that level of commitment - unless they were told not to.
It didnt help that the Ramseys contaminated the fuck out of the crime scene
@@Musicanimedork01 Maybe on purpose? If I was to compromise the crime scene to make it harder for the police I would have done exactly the same .😳
The case is only legally not solvable, as in the real killer will never get convicted unless he'll confess to it and even then I doubt he'll sit behind bars. The parents did one hell of a good job with contaminating everything and lawyering up and refusing to talk to the police or help in pretty much any way. They made themselves look even more suspicious than they already were. Honestly, a three page long ransom note? Misspelling basic words? There was so much wrong with the ransom note and the (staged) crime scene. But hey, at least their psychopathic son (who already was in a violent incident before his sister's death) is still roaming free... 🤦🏼♀️
it was a police coverup of a pedophile ring with some members in law enforcement
How convenient that the note was left on "the back stairway" so that Patsy could find it. What outsider would even know about that stairway?
What outsider would know about the wine cellar where she was found? Inside job!
and what kidnapper would sit down for 20+ minutes to write out a ransom note, the note pad from inside the house. i believe the DNA evidence we were told that was not from a ramsey family member was a lie .. compromised crime scene, there was no break in. The 911 call, weird... too much BS
@@JohnSmith-bn7bl and then leaves the kid in the house when asking for money claiming they have her? ehm..
@@JohnSmith-bn7bl The DNA evidence that was found in Jonbenet's underwear can be completely thrown out. They decided it was most likely from touch DNA from when the underwear was made in the factory at the time of manufacturing. They did the same exact testing on a pack of new unopened underwear to see if it's possible to collect DNA and they were able to collect touch DNA from the worker who made that underwear in the factory. As far as I'm concerned the DNA from her underwear is useless and the family is still most likely guilty in her death.
@@heresjohnny5307 I never heard it was Proven to the actual person. I thought that same DNA was also on her pajama bottoms around the waistband area. So much is out there one doesn't know what to believe.
Mr. Ramsey knew she was in the basement because he put her there. This is why he took a friend with him, so they could find her together, making him look innocent.
I believe that too 👍
@No One They sold their daughter, nothing to do with the son
@No One Watch eyes wide shut, Stanley Kubrick was trying to tell the public about these evil people.
Exactly and Patsy beat her because She wet the bed they both GUILTY
No One The brother Burke hit JonBennet with something when angry on one ocassion, it was in a docu. Also the kid is super creepy and detached then and as an adult
I think it needs to be said that the fact that Patsy is showing genuine emotion does not make her innocent. Her daughter is, after all, dead. No matter who did it, she’s gone. Even if it was an accident or someone in the family, she could still mourn the loss of her daughter WHILE ALSO covering up for the guilty party.
Exactly. I believe it was an accident and she has remorse , shame, she is embarrassed, and she loved and genuinely misses her Daughter. The tears are because also because she had to make a horrific decision, I believe, to protect her Son.
As a one time drug addict I can vouch for the fact that I felt by far the most guilt, remorse, shame, regret, when I was doped up! The same rule applies to alcoholics. I believe Patsy and John are smart enough to know she wouldn't come across as her real cold and calculated self if doped up!!!
#TheGoverningAntibody #SatiricalStevenSays
Sad her beauty pageant mom run is over. She’s back to staring out the window all day, doped up off John’s money, and spending the rest of her social life defending the killer.
Hummm if it was her husband I'd think she put him in but being her son possibly not ,had you said that im banking on its actually the son..all in all id be a mess I'd never be the same again if i lost a child it unbearable. ..but for the love god as a mum id truly hope no one in the family was as evil to hurt a lil girl.
In a situation like that she'd be much more fearful of being perceived as guilty than she would be sad for her daughters loss.
She doesn't seem like the kind of person who would defend her husband's murder of her daughter. Unless you think Burke killed her which is ridiculous. She'd turn john in if she knew he did it.
So I dunno y'all, when I can't find my CAT I search the entire house for him. Like even idiot places I know he's not like the effing trash can and fridge. I will never understand how they just missed the basement.
Good point
Years back my 6 year old son hid in our 3 bed house. We looked for him everywhere more than twice. As I picked up the phone to ring police, I caught a glimse of him, hiding down behind the cupboard with the tv on. I had looked twice behind it and he was not there. He didn,t make a sound. I was frantic and my other son was looking everywhere too. You immediately search franticly just everywhere over and over. It's a parents job.
They could have done a better job hiding their lack of concern, by not finding her in the very first room they looked in.
And why the heck did the police let the FAMILY search the house UNsupervised, namely John, who totally contaminated the crime scene which was his intent. Give me a break. Did any of the police actually graduate the academy in Boulder or were they given a pass?
It was all an act 🎬 to cover up what Burke did. He was told to stay in his room during the investigation. He didn't ask about his sister because he knew exactly what happened to her.
Pageant Parents are weird.
Agreed
Understatement. I'm not okay with anyone who's okay with sexualizing their own child. ( please note I don't think all of the pageant parents sexualize their children but some of the costumes some of the parents put their kids in should be illegal.)
Yes!
@@gracehaven5459 I liked your comment but not for all of its content. I believe children should be able to be children, not wear heavy makeup, wigs, sexy clothes etc. IMHO, child pageants suck. From what I've seen personally, almost all parents put their little girls in sexy clothes and whatnot and parade them around. Sick!
@@h.borter5367 exactly she was beautiful tho if she got to live out her life I believe she would've made it big
Everyone thought that Patsey was the strangest one. I always thought that it is the father. That man just isn’t there; no normal emotions at all!
Have you seen his son ..on the dr Phil show? Straight up STRANGE
Agreed
Southern men are not renowned for their strong displays of emotion.
@@mirandavaughan5491 I would be strange too if someone broke into my house and raped and murdered my sister.
Most psychopaths can’t show emotions
When she says keep your babies close to you, she is looking straight ahead, when she says that someone is out there, she looks down, because she knows that is not true; she does wish she kept Jonbenet close to her so that her husband wouldn't do this, but she had no idea he would- now she's trying to salvage a terrible situation, probably under threat from her husband.
Also she shakes her head as if it's not true, grits her teeth as if she doesn't want to say it which would mean it's a pre-planned phrase, and to top it all off john mouths the words along with her and then again checks the reaction of the interviewer.
@@MisterMooster I think john killed her
Watch John when Patsy is saying keep your babies close to you. Very telling. I'm very surprised this channel didn't catch that.
@@deathpunch23 He wasn't mouthing along the words, you can audibly hear what he said is "It's OK," as in, he was comforting her because her voice started sounding more tearful.
Even with the note im sure i would have searched the entire house if my child was missing. How was she just laying down in the basement for hours?!??
I have always thought that. I would look in every room, every closet, every kitchen cabinet, under every bed. The parents didn't search for her because they knew exactly where she was.
Same! I would have search every freakin inch of the house in record time
Yeah, she wasn't even hidden. Like I've heard things of people thinking their child was missing and the child actually having hidden under the sofa and fallen asleep and them not checking there because it seems like such an unlikely place to be, but she was just laying there easily seen.
They'd been told to check the house for suspicious things. If I thought someone might've been in my house while I was asleep, I'd immediately think of the basement and if they'd already been in the basement before we went to bed. How do you not search an entire room of a house? I'd have been checking the attic, garden shed, kitchen cupboards, everything
At the very least, even if they believed she was no longer in the house, wouldn't it make sense to look for where the 'kidnapper' might have come in? i.e. checking for broken locks, windows, etc.
No kidding for gods sakes my 7 month old KITTEN goes missing and I’m searching every inch, every drawer, every cupboard, every corner, behind the washing machine, etc. and of course I’ll find her snoozing away on a new shelf she’s just discovered or tucked in a pile of unearthed winter clothes and yes she’s just a kitten but she’s still mine to take care of and mine to keep safe I would never stop looking until I found her!!!!
Imagine that’s my child I’d rip up every floorboard, scour every inch of space to be SURE my child wasn’t caught in some wiring or stuck on a nail, or trapped anywhere in that giant house!
She was just laying dead in their basement the entire time I just can’t fathom how that’s possible.
As Patsy said, the note was found on a back set of stairs that was family trafficked and she was the first one always up. So it’s kind of like the note was meant for her to find. And also, if my child was missing, the first thing I would do is comb over every inch of my home and the grounds, police en route, which they didn’t do.
What part of Ransom Note do you Not understand? FYI - it was before 6 a.m., pitch dark, no-one around & they were terrified. Who would know how long the cops would take to get there. After that desperate 911 call, Patsy called the Whites & the Fernies who lived close by - for Help. Officer French arrived within 6 minutes of the Start of that 911 call, Patsy had just got off the phone, John was running around trying to find where someone got in. French had John & Patsy sit in the sunroom & he did a cursory look around then John Fernie arrived & officer Veitch. People do what the cops Tell them Do, they presume the cops know what they're doing. The Ramseys were to find out that the keystone cops did Not.
BTW - the Ramseys lived in a Huge 4 storey Mansion, not a 3 bedroom ranch home.
I was replying to heidi with the basic Facts of what happened, it's Not my problem that you can't comprehend the English language@@CoM-il2bp
@@bethryan9077I am a parent, and there is no way I wouldn’t run through every inch of my home numerous times until the police got there, even opening cupboards to find my young child. It took the police officer being there, and asking if they walked through the entire house, for John and his friend to do so. SUS!
@@October_JennJenn Obviously you can't read very well &/or have poor comprehension skills. Obviously you too don't know what a Ransom Note is. Why in the hell would the child be in a fn Cupboard? How old are you? 10? Lovey, a Normal parent would call the cops Immediately, the child could still be in a Car, heading wherever, time is of the essence. omg, you kids are too much, deary, the 911 call was before 6 A.M., JB was found After 1 P.M. You kids know Nothing about this case & like the keystone cops, you don't have the brain cells to handle True crime. BTW - 8 cops & detectives arrived at various times that morning. Your 'police officer' was Linda Arndt & she didn't get there til 8.10 a.m., arriving With detective Patterson. More than one cop went down the basement that morning at different times, tasked with checking entry & exit points, they Failed at that job & the full of the same old False information shitshows make sure that Fact is also Not Talked About.
Now, just go back to Sleep.
I think the father had his wife drugged so she can’t really share what’s going on. She’s easier to control.
Personally I think if someone was drugged they’d be more of a loose canon, a liability. They wouldn’t be able to control themselves. A sedated person is definitely easier to control but in this case I’m curious if it would work in the husbands favor 🤷🏻♀️
The woman detective who was in the house when he found the body said that she knew without a doubt it was him.
She never said that!! It was all implied the reporter never came out & said did “John” do it... she said do you think the killer will ever be brought to justice the cop said NO & before that was stated they were talking about the killer being a respected & powerful person that’s why justice wouldn’t be had. She was clearly beating around the bush & made it seem as though John did it and she knew he did it but she never flat out said that & in the court of law until put under oath that’s what you call hear say & an opinion not a fact and who knows how much she was paid to do that interview 🤔 cause she also said over and over how kind and friendly John was also in the court of the the attorney would tare her to shreds with that wishy washy contradiction
@@andreakaleena she knew it was him.
@@heather1872 short and simple answers you give 🤦🏼♀️ but no facts!!! 🙄 SHE Knew it was him but she still didn’t say IT WAS HIM😂 HIM HIM HIM she never said John 🤨 keep you opinion I’ll keep mine. That damn detective knew NOTHING cause when you do you build the case to solve it in that line of work determination is key a fucking little Girl was murdered if she gave one damn about that and knew beyond a doubt John killed her she’d done everything in her power to prove and convict his ass. She was paid a lot of money to get I. That camera and tell them lies🙄 she’s a lier
@@andreakaleena lmao she knew it was him.
@@heather1872 okay obviously this is a 12 year old little girl I’m debating with witch actually turns it into an argument because your a child I don’t associate with little kids or argue with them & your mother should really be supervising you what kind of mom let’s there kid watch this RUclips channel? 🤦🏼♀️🙄 lord help this mother & child. Gotta Block this kid somehow
I think John looked shocked when he thought she spilled the beans about it not being a real kidnapping.
Her exact words as a retort - "sounds like a kidnapping to me". Go get your ears checked. BTW - those with a hateful Biased attitude, have a Very biased Perception, don't they deary.
@@bethryan9077that's what I hear, why doesn't this guy hear it as well .
@@bethryan9077she shook her head no when she said that if she agreed it was a kidnapping she would be shaking her head yes
@@bethryan9077why are they talking to CNN and not police lol. This is only a week after, it is not even enough time for them to have come up with the excuse they've been treated unfairly, at this point they are the ones choosing not to cooperate. If you can't admit that there's at least a chance they are lying, then you're the biased one.
@@rsdenimblues8342You nod your head in agreement. And shake your head in disagreement.
The moment I knew the Ramsey's were guilty was when Patsy denied recognizing her own handwriting and claiming to not remember writing the comments on her family photos. Anyone can recognize their own writing and remember writing in their own family photo albums.
Cozette M Right. One of them did it, others covered for them
Im certain her lawyer told her to not acknowledge any of the handwriting samples.
Exactly
Right. Who else would have written captions under photos? Did someone break in and write those too? It defies logic. She wrote the note. I had heard she did but I don’t remember ever seeing the examples. I don’t see how it could be a question in anyone’s mind.
I know right! It’s like who the heck else would label your photos in your photo album?
If John is a master manipulator, which I believe he is, then Patsy being heavily drugged for this initial interview makes a lot of sense. I'm sure he encouraged her to do that so her memory would be hazy, and he could more easily mold her emotions/memory however he wanted to fit his story.
hmm good point
Perfectly said.
I have similar thinking; I think he was a nervous wreck w/her talking AND sedated that she might 'snap on' to a thought while her mind was combing over the incident. WATCH HIS face when she speaks. It seems NERVOUS and VERY ATTENTIVE to what she says to me. :)
Major Narcissist
LMAO. Doh.
Patsy lying about the handwriting sounds just like my daughter when she's lying. So obvious.
Then you are accusing your daughter of lying, when she is telling g the truth. Sad.
@@wordswritteninred7171 That ratio tho
@@coralrose5754 what ratio? It’s obvious you don’t have the facts
@@wordswritteninred7171 ✨Okie boomer✨
@@wordswritteninred7171 tf are you talking about???? It was very clearly her handwriting
I lived in Denver when this happened. The Grand Jury voted to indict the parents, but the sniveling, coward of a district attorney, Alex Hunter was too afraid to charge them. Disgusting!
Are you aware no DNA from JB fingernails an underpants was linked to John Patsy or Burke. That is clearly why it went to trial an neighbor heard a loud scream didn't call police an police was clueless the house was a crime scene mingle with family an friends forensics mixed an ruined. Also detective Thomas was sued for his joke book of blame on family he lost all his book royalty money.
ruclips.net/video/Btvw0fWaoEI/видео.htmlsi=faysY0bG6AJ4TTeh
He obviously knew they didn't have any evidence to convict ..
@@kellyray3023 No. He was good friends with John and blocked other processes as well that would point to the family being guilty.
I agree, except for the afraid part. He wasn't afraid, he was covering for his buddy, and possibly paid off but I don't have evidence of any financial gain.
In the 911 call you can hear patsy say . "What did you do, what did you do"
I believe that was towards her son. She lied and said he was asleep but he was heard on the phone call. A documentary I watched concluded by medical examiners firmly believed that the brother killed her. It would make sense since they covered it up.
@@tokkibeanie yeah, i believe the theory to. It explains the parent's actions the most, also in this video their shame, fear and training to keep it neutral
I think the father did it but convinced the mother that it was Burke, she believed him and covered for her strange acting son (he might be on the spectrum), while the real murderer was husband.
If someone was trying to mimic Patsy's handwriting, or anyone's handwriting, the #1 goal would be to keep the letter very short to avoid writing that doesn't look like Patsy's--and it was a 3 page kidnapping letter.
I see spots in the letters in different spots on the ransom and control samples of hesitations, when the pen sat longer so more ink is left. Makes me think the writer paused, maybe to check how the writing looked.
Patsy wrote the note. She has no clue of what a ransom note is. She is trying her best to convince the reader.
And the kid wasn’t even kidnapped. This note was written in a state of panic by people who’ve never murdered someone before. The dad killed that little girl & was panicking as to what to do. He’s a sociopath and would be willing to throw his own wife under the bus to save his ass... Hence the copying of Patsy’s style of writing.
Agree. I think she wrote it, which is the most certain of all the evidence, to me
Kids pageant's should be banned, shame on you parents that put your kids into them.
I agree. Be diligent in all child activites because a lot of pedos are lurking there, male and female.
Pagents are acceptable in many places. Pedophiles are everywhere and are not acceptable. Do the math. The pagents are not the problem.
@@cocoa-nuts2670 kids should not be dressed up like mini adults looking like slappers and dancing sexy its wrong, I had to deal with dirty old men from age 4 to 16 and this type of thing gets me fucking mad at parents that want to put kids on show.
I agree
@@cocoa-nuts2670 the problem are the crazy moms who want to live vicariously through their children to achieve some sort of life long dream. Pageants are a meat market for perverts, and the parents are putting the on display. Disgusting and irresponsible
Correction, she was found on December 26th, not the 25th. Many find it suspicious that the parents used the 25th as her date of death, saying they know that's the day she died.
John wanted that date so nobody would forget.
@@bethryan9077 shut up and stop replying to every comment who doesn’t have the same theory as you, you don’t freaking know either, just a loud hypocrite.
@@bethryan9077 that makes no sense. 1) Her date of death would be 12/26/96 on the death certificate. Normal people don't just choose any date they want to for the death date that goes on the tombstone! Makes the parents look suspicious. 2) Who's going to forget? The public has been obsessed with this case since the day it was reported. No one will forget the brutal murder of a beautiful little girl at Christmastime.
@@Bugiddle The 25th was Christmas Day, that's the Point her father was making. Here's the issue about your First comment - if the date on the tombstone Was the 26th, you Ignorant people would Still say that they 'knew what date she died'. Doh.
Next, the cops were trying to withhold her body for burial, the parents did Not Know what the medical examiner even Stated when they buried her in Atlanta one week later & it's a Fact that the ME did Not ever give a Time of death. Due to advancements in forensics, it is now Known that JB's death was between 1 a.m. & 6 a.m., on the 26th. Due to expert Investigations, it is now Known that JB was strangled to death in the basement laundry when Patsy was calling 911. The Two severe skull fractures occurred just After that & were also preplanned if the cops were called.
You say that 'normal' people don't just choose any date they want for the death date that goes on the tombstone. Jeez, LMAO. How old are you? 10?
Why don't you have a Think about how many people are found deceased Days, Weeks, Months later & Normal people put whatever Date that They CHOOSE to put, many put the date the person went Missing. Now, just go back to Sleep.
People have a hard time even faking a signature. I can't imagine trying to copy someones way of writing for 3 whole pages and have it be that consistent.
That's actually a good point
I agree!
i mean, /some/ people have a hard time forging a signature. some people, like myself, have the tendacy to study the writing patterns of loved ones and so can find it relatively easy to copy the handwriting of say a wife. not saying that you’re definitely wrong, but you’re also not definitely right in that reguard
I used to draw a lot when I was younger and it was always easy for me to pick up other peoples styles of writing..so js it could be done and not neccessary with the writer struggling with someone else's style.
Your assuming someone is trying to copy her handwriting style. There are billions of people in this world, there’s undoubtably going to be people who have the same style of handwriting especially if they had the same teachers when they’re first starting to write. And everyone assumes that no one would have time to write a lengthy letter during the short time after the crime was committed without acknowledging that someone could’ve been waiting in the home before they came back home from a full day away, and wrote it then. The point is, that isn’t enough to condemn them especially since the DNA on the underwear doesn’t belong to anyone in the home....
I have always and still believe with my whole heart it was her dad. This whole situation is so heinous and devastating.
That's what I believe too!
I watched the doc where people from their town were trying out to play parts in a movie about this and this jagoff suggests Patsy dying of ovarian cancer was the manifestation of her guilt.....like ugh. It's more likely a manifestation of her husband being a deviant perv and giving her HPV!
From day one in 1997, I will always believe that John Rambsey knows exactly what happened to his daughter.
Same and noone will convince me otherwise. The DA should have never exonerated him, because the evidence found did not disprove anything. This entire situation was tainted from the beginning!
He did it.
Also think about what kind of a person who would let his young son and wife be accused of a crime; that's some sick manipulation. He let reasonable doubt permeate by never speaking up for his own living child.
The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does.
Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing.
The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there.
The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!
Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect.
The bits you Think you know about this case - Are NOT True.
*You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
**The Boulder PD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.
Very interesting how the word "Pedophilia" or "Pedophile" is a no no word to write or say on RUclips
Are they a protected class now?
Seems like it.
They are a protected class. Too bad their victims don’t get the same protection.
Sooner I'm off this planet, the better!!
Always have been. They all protect each other.
They belong to satanic cults....most of them anyway.
Jon bonnets autopsy showed chronic trauma to the vaginal area and experts agreed that she had been previously been sexually abused days before and for a longer history in general. That made me believe it was her father, he had access to her in the home on a long term regular basis. You can look this up on line, it’s easy to find. They asked the parents and they both denied she had been. Although she was treated for vaginal yeast infections multiple times as a young girl that is a red flag of sexual abuse.
The autopsy report did Not say that At All. Stop making up Lies about this 6 year old Child just because You have a twisted agenda. No 'expert' said that either. omg, she was Not 'treated for vaginal yeast infections' Either. You people are an absolute Disgrace. BTW - what part of Exonerated do you Not understand?
I read it was urinary tract infections
@@helenesholidayhome3566chronic uti's is still (and yet another) red flag.
If you search up "Nancy Krebs" ...she was a child 3/4 years old when she was abused by John ramsey and she also knows the White's....
Nancy Krebs has made many statements to the Boulder Police Department about her sexual assaults and rapes. She also testified to being videotaped specifically for child pornography by John Ramsey
Wednesday, September 2, 2020
Freemason Connections in the JonBenet Ramsey murder:
In a previous post I did an expose of what Freemasonry really is, which is an organization that hides a Secret Society that has great influence in America and in the U.S. Government. In this post I want to make connections between Freemasonry and the JonBenet Ramsey murder.
Here are the obvious connections that come to me:
Nancy Krebs revealed that she saw Patsy Ramsey at a Rainbow Girls convention before Patsy was married to John Ramsey. Rainbow Girls is a Freemason organization that like the Freemasons itself pretends to be one thing on the surface but is in reality something else entirely. What it is in reality is involved in arranging marriages between Freemason men and the daughters of other Freemason men. Patsy was the daughter of a high ranking Freemason, Donald Paugh. John Ramsey was a Freemason. John Ramsey hooked up with Patsy Ramsey through Freemasonry connections involving the Rainbow Girls. The marriage between John and Patsy Ramsey is not a normal natural one but a Freemasonry arranged marriage between a Freemason and the daughter of another Freemason.
The family that John Ramsey comes from is also a Freemason family. John Ramsey's father, James Ramsey was a Freemason in Michigan that held important positions in the Government. John Ramsey is the son of an important Freemason.
Fleet White Jr., John's close friend from California who followed him to Boulder, CO is without doubt a Freemason. Both John Ramsey and Fleet White Jr were Freemasons in California before either of them moved to Colorado.
Fleet Russell White Sr, Fleet White Jr's father and the prime suspect in the death of JonBenet Ramsey was a high ranking Freemason. It is my belief that Fleet Russell White Sr. was a 33rd Degree Freemason. This is the primary reason he is being protected. This is the primary reason why almost all information about this man has been scrubbed from the internet. This is the primary reason for the cover up in the death of JBR. This is the primary reason why a fake crime scene was staged at the Ramsey Residence to hide where the crime happened (Fleet Russell White Sr's home) and the reason why all the focus has been primarily on the Ramseys. What is really being protected is not just Fleet Russell White Sr but Freemasonry itself, which is also known as the Illuminati.
Freemasonry is very deeply involved in this murder but the organization has gone to great trouble to conceal that fact. The Freemasonry infiltrated Boulder Police, Boulder DA, etc. has been fully involved in this cover up. The cover up of the truth exists to this very day
John mouthing "keep your babies close to you" while Patsy says it is extremely creepy
Rehearsed? If not, how did he know what she was going to say?
@@ruthann664 sure looks that way
was he actually? I read your comment and rewatched that part over and over and over trying to see it but I couldn't
@@missmaree7307 Yes, he mouths the words...watch where Patsy is crying and struggling to say something....she starts with I don’t know if it’s a he or a she.....then she goes into telling the residents of Boulder to keep.....then she struggles and John mouths the words to her. The clip I watched is #51 Patsy Ramsey “why did they do it” Armchair Detective Case Library. Hope this helps! 😊
@@ruthann664 I'm still trying to catch it but at least I think I was able to pick up something interesting that I haven't seen anyone mention yet anyways, right after Patsy says "it sounded like a kidnapping to me" I swear I can hear John say 'ssssssshh' very quickly and barely opening his mouth, maybe through his teeth?
I don’t believe the theory that Patsy lost her temper Christmas night. Yes they have a busy schedule, people are usually pretty happy on Christmas. Especially if you have kids, all the toys you’ve bought, snuck in, and wrapped, finally getting to see their joy. Christmas spirit just hits different for everyone, unless you’re a Scrooge. I can tell by her Christmas decorations inside and outside the house, and her Christmas colored outfits, trees in every room, she definitely loved Christmas and celebrating it. Just why Christmas night out of any other night? I don’t think Patsy killed her but I do think she helped cover it up. The note is 100% her handwriting.
The lady that helped with the little girl in her parents knows just how the parents treated her. Why wasn't she interviewed?? Did she leave the area? WHY??
The lady that helped in the pagents and helped this little girl perform. She knows this family very well,such as Johne Benet not wanting to perform?? Sad tradgety..justice waits.
This lady helped in the pagents.? Why wasn't she spoken to by the police?
The idea that the letter was written on a notepad from within the home always got to me. This was another great video!! Thank you for doing this case!
I believe that they also found a practice letter on the same note paper in the wastebasket, so whoever wrote it wasn’t in a rush to leave the scene.
Same
@@jordynw8271 a practice ransom note?! When I'm in an unfamiliar house i can't even find a pen, a pad of paper, and a trash can without asking. Especially if someone is in a rush to not be seen....
@@SoulDelSol Exactly! What the hell is that about?! Oh bullshit I remember that now, that they found a notepad with either a draft of the note or maybe it was the impression from writing the original note? I have my memories of this case unfortunately mixed with the memory of losing my son the Sept before JonBenet died and I just forgot a few details about the latter...
It always bothered me that Patsy was still wearing the same clothes that she had worn to the party and had apparently never bothered to take her heavy makeup up off from the night before. She was planning to go out of town on a trip like that? Come on.
Number 1.The first detective on the scene asked them to look around the house to be sure that everything is ok. In what home invasion do you know of where the police do not come in and clear the residence first???
EXACTLY
The cops botched this entire thing. There were so many people in and out of the house. They had the family look around the house without the cops, the father moved the body, they took too long to start the investigation and the entire thing was just botched. The cops did a piss poor job and left no chance for anyone to come in and solve this case.
@@mmamantea84 that part of town had very little crime, therefore very little experienced personnel, very little habit of investigating murders. It was December 26, and most were on vacation. So, yeah, botched.
@@mmamantea84 - a recent podcasts said as Boulder never had murders the local Police did not have a homicide division, hence all the mistakes made....
Mistakes were made since the very first moment! Also red flag to "body language" and long ransom letter. Nothing makes sense in this case!
I think you've seriously SOLVED this case. My thoughts 💯 exactly !
Imo John seems to be holding back a smirk the whole interview
Yeah there’s something in the middle of a person’s face that seems to lift when they have a proto smile going on
Yes. I see duper's delight.
Whatever, he mostly seems cool as a cucumber. Crrrrreeeeeepppyyyyy
Yeah at the start of it I felt like I could see a smile in his eyes even when he was maybe keeping his mouth in somewhat control xx
I smile too when I’m scared or terrified that means nothing it’s just a way to deal with stress everyone deals with stress differently
The twinkle in his eye was evident during the Dr. Oz show, where he was supposedly still looking for the killer. He said,"he might be dead", with a gleam that screamed I got away with it.
The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does.
Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing.
The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there.
The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!
Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect.
The bits you Think you know about this case - Are NOT True.
*You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
**The Boulder PD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.
I’m in law enforcement. It has been my experience that murders in general, are usually committed by someone close to the victim. With female children, usually it’s the father, or the person who finds the body. In this case, the father found the body.
oh wow…have you watched the innterview of the first cop on the scene? She makes it very clear that it was John.
@@jessicacereceres2404 do you have a link or know the cops name?
I couldn't believe the police let them search the house and didn't secure the crime scene. Knowing the father is a prime suspect, the officer would likely be with him at all times, dont you think? So many things to consider.
www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/09/jonbenet.dna/
2008 DNA eliminated the mom, the dad & the brother
@@JessRodr this was about the DNA found on her panties right? i believe that theres also a possibility that the dna was from the making/packaging process of them (i think something like this has happened in other murder cases)
The fact that they would deny its Patsy’s handwriting in their photo album makes them look entirely guilty.
Glenn Meyer wrote those lines under 3 photos only & in One photo album only so he could add some letters like in the note. Patsy wouldn't write that stupid crap under photos. There was Nothing to identify Who, what Year or Where for any of those 3. Meyer also wrote Sentences so even spaces in between the words, as in the note - even spacing in between Every word in the note BTW.
The BPD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does.
Two spots of blood were in the underpants but Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury was to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD, whose officers Should have found JB early that morning though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD & resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was the precursor for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued along with a bevy of private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his integrity as a police officer & all his BS in that book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing.
The Ramseys & Loads of others. who included known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from that unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there.
The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push This vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching.
N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!
Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect.
The bits you Think You Know about this crime - Are NOT True.
*You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
It’s 2022 & All is now Known - the 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead, the BPD are holding things up
The Present officers had No problems believing the Ramseys were genuine & Linda Arndt wrote a Favourable report about the Ramseys & said their behaviour was appropriate to the circumstances. The media went into a frenzy because the body was found in the house & they considered that to have been on Arndt's watch. She arrived at 8.10 a.m. with detective Patterson. It was actually Her who moved the body to the living room. Eight cops & detectives arrived at various times that morning, Nobody was looking for JB, it was a Ransom Note. It was the Cops who should have found JB early that morning, Not her poor father that afternoon. The BPD then went into damage control to save their Own asses & so the BS began. Arndt was put on desk duties, didn’t like what was going on in the office & was gone by May. Her next job was as a tree lopper. Many today still believe that Arndt was the only officer at the house all day when That is not true either, she was on her own from 10.30 a.m. Next - she had great acting lessons for that Performance on national TV because she was after a book deal Too. Next - she tried to sue the BPD for Money, but lost the case. Her report to the BPD was in the public domain & so, she was Caught as a Liar & later retracted all she said in that abysmal interview. Somewhere along the line she had Regret at least & when Patsy was dying, Arndt went to see her & apologised for all she had said for the TV audience & vowed to help find the killer.
BTW - Lying loon Arndt knew Full Well the note said Tomorrow but deliberately didn’t mention That in her interview on TV.
The Ramseys gave the cops free reign to their house from the minute officer French walked in the door just before 6 a.m. because they had Nothing To Hide. They spoke to the cops & detectives in total, for Hours that morning & after JB was found. Burke was interviewed when still at the Whites at 2 p.m. by detective Patterson, Neither parent was present, nor did they know that was happening. John spoke with the Ds that night, Patsy was bedridden by then. Arndt asked John for them to go to the PD on the 28th. The Ramseys had already witnessed how inept the cops Were & John hired a private investigator straight away. All Ramseys gave the required samples & John spoke to the Ds for 2 hours again that day. He asked Eller to speak to Patsy at the house where they were staying because she was so ill & medicated, Eller refused to do that. Steve Thomas was brought in because the Present investigators refused to target the Ramseys. Thomas had Zero experience with Any murder case before & thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime & later dubbed himself as lead detective when he was Not. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD rarely had a murder & this was the first for '96. The next 2 up the ladder had No experience with homicide Either. The BPD refused help from the FBI, the CBI & the Denver PD. The present investigators had no concerns about deception but Then the body was found in the house when the Cops should have found her early that morning & the BPD went into damage control & so, the BS Began. False & misleading information was already being leaked to the media. The Ramseys were told they were being targeted & advised to get lawyers. Very sound advice & the Right of All citizens. The talk was through the lawyers then, That's how it Goes. John went on to hire 3 more private investigators.
What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. And John continued that after Patsy died. He & John Andrew continue Still.
The general public know Nothing about this crime & know nothing True about this case. Most don't even Know what Actually happened to JB. The Ramseys were Proven Innocent a long time ago, it is way over time to leave the family In Peace.
Patsy was using the Wall phone that was near the kitchen. In the Real recording of that call, Patsy hanging up the handset on the cradle is Clearly heard - CLICK. IF the cops Actually had Any Ramseys in the background because Patsy didn’t hang up, the recording would have been played til the end & all would have heard CLICK. And, Steve Thomas refused to have that call forensically sound tested. Funny that.
It was before 6 a.m., pitch dark outside, no-one around & they were terrified. Who would know how long the cops would take to get there. After that Desperate 911 call, Patsy called the Whites, the Fernies - for Help. Mrs Stine too but she couldn’t come. John Fernie later called their pastor for prayers & comfort, it was going to be a long wait, the note said Tomorrow. The cops called 2 victim’s advocates to come. 8 cops & detectives arrived at various times that morning, Nobody was looking for JB, it was a Ransom note. John did Not go straight to the cellar. He & Fleet White were checking out the broken window, looking for any glass at all. They had checked the 2 cupboards in that co-joined room first. The cellar was the next room at that end of the basement, that’s all. John had Presumed the cops down the basement that morning had checked out that broken window early that morning. He was to find out later that the cops hadn't gone through the train room door & so to those windows. The cops didn't know about that broken window til they went back that evening. That's Why the 'famous' photo of the open window was taken in the Night. The cops have always kept That info Hidden from the public As Well The same cops, also failed to flip the latch down on the top of door jamb of the cellar door & pull that door open, they just walked away. Officer Veitch went around the exterior when still dark that morning with his flashlight, he failed to see those same windows that could be accessed under the grate. Reichenbach went around the exterior also, he too failed to see those windows. He reported to the 2 detectives, when all 3 were sitting in the car at the supermarket carpark, that there was no forced entry yet he hadn’t checked the Double door near the kitchen either. That broken window is Not where the perps got into the house, but That is Not the point. Steve Thomas & the other keystone cops continually said that John had lied about getting in that window when he locked himself out of the house in the summer, even though the housekeeper had vacuumed up the broken glass there 2 times. Thomas nor any other cop Ever tried to climb in there. Down the track, it took Lou Smit to Demonstrate, that John Could fit through there & so what he said about that was Also True. There were Fresh green leaves dumped at that grate & some ‘caught’ under the edge of it that was farthest from the window side, as If someone had lifted the grate & then when putting it back down, leaves were caught under there. Thomas the Twit said in his book of BS, that the greenery was Foliage & what was Under the Edge of the grate that Sat on the brickwork, had Grown Under It. Jeeez. One just needs to see the crime scene Photos taken of that area & all around the exterior, to See that there is No Other Leaves Or ‘Foliage’, let alone Green & the gardener had been recently & everything was Clear & Cleaned Up. That will give the people some idea of the level of the Intellect of just one of the so-called ‘investigators’ on this case
@@bethryan9077What?? That is ludicrous! Lol! He's going to open up Patsy's albums and write under random photos?? That one photo said "The Rainbow Fish Players". Clearly, that is something a parent, probably Patsy, would write under a Polaroid photo. Not some intruder!
@@Bugiddle Stick to your one hour Made Up TV shows, that tell ya the ending, True crime is way over your head. BTW - that wasn't the only item that had writing & placed around the house.
I’d love to see a video where you show good movie actors and their techniques vs what bad actors do and how to get better. Acting is something that is super interesting to me and it would be awesome to see you pick apart their techniques from a scientific perspective
Even comparing novice or poorly directed vs experienced/ well directed acting in the same person.
Second this video idea!
Yes, please!
Excellent idea!
Is he an acting coach?
John's friend said John did not turn the light on when they found JonBenet. John lied in this interview .
She sure likes using the phrase ".... not particularly ...."
Where have I seen that phrase in writing.....?
whoah 😳
wait im confused please explain
Thats what sealed it for me.
Yup!!
Explain for me???
Parents that put their young daughter on display like they did are sick
Yup
I agree👍
A kid dressing up for pageants is not "putting them on display". I saw pageants on tv when I was a kid and wanted to do it and my mom and I did some together and we had a lot of fun like a bonding experience and girl stuff like dressing up, makeup, hair, talent show. We loved it
@@miac2382 yeah but think about some pf those shows. A lot of kids throw tantrums and stuff which is an indicator they don't want to be there or don't want to be doing it.
🙄🙄🙄
I think her emotions look genuine. John’s do not.
She looks like she’s on horse tranquilizers at least in the first interview
Genuine emotions, yes; probably due to her complicity
To me, nothing can explain away their involvement once you see the note compared with the mom's handwriting. She wrote it. It also asked for the exact amount of money for random that John had just gotten as a Christmas bonus.
Patsy could have killed her and still have genuine emotions about her death....especially if it was some sort of accident.
Idk men are taught to bury their emotions and that crying is for girls so idk maybe that's why
I always though the Dad was guilty. The fact but they found evidence of prolonged sexual abuse says it all. I think the mom knew.
All that was found was a singular microscopic tear of the vagina- wasn’t visible to naked eyes. Her hymen was still intact and there was nothing like swelling, redness, or widening less than a pinky finger- their verbiage, not mine. Her autopsy indicated there was no evidence of any sexual abuse- then or in her past. She did however have frequent urinary tract issues and made several doctor trips for infections.
@@TheKrisb25 frequent infections are VERY common in children that are being sexually abused, specifically girls. The hymen can break from anything so that doesnt really matter and it wasnt the cause of her death but it was the catalyst. If you think John, her father who was friends with Jeffrey Epstein, didnt sexually abuse her then youre pretty naive.
@@aloeleaf ugh, I just hear Jeffrey Epstein and that's it for me ... I highly judge anyone who has anything to do with him ... and I say has, not had ...
@@aloeleaf exactly! Thank you.
@@veronikapop8161look it up. There's no link tying John and Jeffrey together. People went crazy because the profile of a woman was in a pic with JonBenet and she looked similar to Maxwell. We don't have proof. Don't believe everything you read :)
It just occurred to me when she's describing finding the note! John wrote it!!! It was written to look like her handwriting. I was in business with my huaband, often imitating his penmanship. It's not inconceivable that he would use that to throw everyone off. She is sedated, making it also difficult for her to lie!
The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does.
Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing.
The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there.
The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!
Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect.
The bits you Think you know about this case - Are NOT True.
*You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
**The Boulder PD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.
43 minutes? What an absolute treat!
Ya and flew by! Felt like ten.
I am 99% sure Patsy says “it sounds like kidnapping to me”, Rather than “it DOESN’T sound like...” -I listened back like 10 times and it never sounded any different, anyone else weigh in ??
Yeah, that's what I heard as well!
There's a whole other thread in the comments where we discussed this. As I'm from the Midwest, I could definitely hear "doesn't" with a Midwestern accent, sometimes I'll say, if I'm speaking quickly, "dudn't" instead of "doesn't", kind of mushing it together.
I hear "that sounds like kidnapping to me" every time I listen back.
Yes, I was gonna comment on the same thing. She says “that sounds like a kidnapping to me” and he looks over to her, cause how could it be considered a kidnapping if she was found in her home. Jon Benet wasn't taken out of the home.
Me too. I’m at that point in the video and searched to see if anyone in the comments thought the same thing.
I grew up with a very violent older brother. I always knew, even when I was very young, that if he killed me, my parents would have covered for it. And I feel that is exactly what happened to this little girl.
How ist the relationship between you and your brother today? Can it get better?
That's horrible, you are strong.
@@camilloforever3497 Why in the hell would you think she should have a better relationship with this violent asshole? Are you sick? I personally hope the brother is not around at all.
We had favoritism too. Very odd.
Hi Lady Rose. I too had a violent older brother. He was 23 when I was 11 or 12 and he would punch my arms hard, leaving them "dead" because I played pop music which he hated. He would also smash my records which really upset me. When I was a child I thought I just had a shitty brother like other people talked about but didn't realise until I was older that this guy was well into being a grown man when he did these things to a 11 or 12 year old.
He went on to terribly abuse his wife who was 65 when he kicked her in the crutch with steel toe capped boots and shattered her pelvis.
He was a violent man but worse when drinking which was every single day.
I stopped talking to him after that.
I'm really hoping that you are doing okay and are strong and happy in your life. It's v easy to put up with more abuse as adults when experiencing or witnessing it as a child.
Lots of love from Kerry in the UK 💖
The rich can always beat the system
You’ve missed all of the Freudian slips.. One being, when John is asked about the note “I believe they wrote it to the best of their abilities and misold..misspelt” (misold being the truth).
Him and Burke are fascinating for Freudian slips, sometimes half words.
Good observation, super interesting! I will say, he probably didn’t bring it up because he doesn’t focus on verbal communication on this channel, but it’s a good addition to the further speculation of the case!
Listen to 911 call where Patsy says, "what did you do ?!" in background.
Exactly - I have always wondered why that was pushed aside, No one Will talk about it.
Yep. You can hear Burke say "what did you find"? They lied that he slept thru it all. Also Google his psych interview. He's totally bored & not interested til the bowl of pineapple on the counter is shown to him. Then he becomes agitated & curls up into the fetal position on his chair. He's not bothered,when asked how he feels that his sister is dead. He shrugs & mentions he's " moving on with life". Adult phrase. He'd been coached. He doesn't draw his sister in his 'my family ' pic. Kids will typically still draw their deceased sibling , often as an angel. The psych interview concluded he had no emotional attachment to his sibling & family secrets were being kept. Burke says: "if I had a secret, I wouldn't tell you". He also had a history of feces smearing , confirmed by their Housekeeper (a sign of psych issues or abuse). Police noted feces smeared on the Xmas candy in Jon Benets room.
And she did NOT sound distressed. All the heavy breathing....that’s for the movies!
yes i heard that
He also never came down and asked where his sister was cuz he already knew what happened to her because he did it. She Gotta bike for Christmas and he didn't... another reason. People who are saying that he wasn't old enough to commit this crime are wrong, and they need to do their research on child murderers.
When I think about John starting a romantic relationship with Natalie Holloway’s mother, it chills me to the bone. Seeing what he dragged his wife through and manipulating Natalie’s mother is terrifying!
The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does.
Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing.
The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there.
The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!
Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect.
The bits you Think you know about this case - Are NOT True.
*You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
**The Boulder PD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.
Burke was VERY angry about all the attention his mom poured onto JB; and his father was very involved with his business and never there. Burke hit her in the face with a golf club, smeared feces in her bed, smeared feces on candy she was about to eat; now THATS some SERIOUS ANGER!! i think Burke was violent towards her in the basement, and attacked her and accidentally killed her. the parents covered it up....she had a urinary tract infection it wasnt sxl damage etc....look at burkes face during the funeral video, hes happy hes smiling hes carefree, no shock, no grief, no thing!! except hes glad to b rid of her!! @@bethryan9077
He must have a huge boner because I can't understand what makes women so attracted to John!
Johns house of cards:
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Patsy was a performer, used to being on stage. Her theatrics come naturally.
I thought the 911 call was nothing but theatrics!
Yeah, when buddy was talking about how he thought her tears seemed genuine in the first video, my eyeballs just about rolled out of my head. First of all, what tears? They had to be forced, and didn’t come till way after the scrunchy face. And John mouthing her words as she spoke them... come on.
If the father did it, that makes it all the more heartbreaking to me-- "she was daddy's little girl," and she trusted him.
Chris watts vibes
The dad seems so narcissistic to me. As if maybe this was a satanic type perversion gone wrong. That's what my gut tells me involving the dad & his friend. The mom is nieve to the fullest just trusting everything she's told. That's what my intuition based off everything I've seen tells me
She was named after him. And sexual predators often groom their victims. "It couldn't be him, he couldn't have done it. He was always so nice/spoiled her."
Interrogator : "do these letters looks the same?"
Me: " oh fuck yea"
Patsy: "uuuuum they're both lower case...."
Me : 😒😒🙄
Looking only at what the commenter shows, Patsy did not write the ransom letter, here’s why: In doing calligraphy for 30 years, the width of any line in a character can be looked at and determined how it was written. That is, where the line started, and whether it was an up or down stoke. Looking only at The 2 examples, I’d believe that Patsy did not the ransom letter. On the surface, the characters seems similar, but when you observe where each stroke begins and ends, and the line thickness in each part, it’s different, on each character given. Each line in a character is begun, added to, and finished in a different position of the pen, which would be nearly impossible for the same person to do, if only because of muscle memory. It was most likely John who tried to write the ransom letter that was obviously not his own handwriting. Perhaps, he even used a sample of Patsy’s handwriting, and then to add blots, misspellings, etc. in order to divert suspicion from him, and potentially towards her.
@@sbyerley this is very interesting, thank you 😊
That was so lame!
Who doesn't recognize their own hand writing? Was someone else making their photo album? Come on.
@@sbyerley Good call on the microanalysis except the part about John. He's been excluded by every handwriting expert that has been publicly involved. The author wasn't trying to make it look like him, I guess. Even the ones that are 'similar', as you point out, have significant difference. The ones that are 'identical' are so identical that they are obviously photoshopped copies of the original. Many of the samples compared are clearly different pens on different papers. This analysis is worthless unless you are an expert able to tell the difference. Bottom line is neither concocted the note. Patsy probably never ever saw any of the movies quoted. What happened to "Go ahead. Make my day!" ?
I think you are spot on. I think John wrote the ransom and tried to make it look like Patsy wrote it. I really appreciate this video, I live in Boulder Colorado and have lived here since before this happened. I have seen the actual house a few times and just wanted some honest opinions. I feel very satisfied with what you have shown and talked about. Thank you Tina Espinoza, current resident of Boulder. 🙂
The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing.
From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public.
The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake.
Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime.
The Ramseys & Lots of suspects, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA. The DNA from the 1st unknown male that was under her pinkie fingernail plus his Saliva in one spot of her blood in the big underpants, was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male’s DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from that unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Take note of that Year.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor.
Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
NOBODY would try to disguise their handwriting - by Handwriting 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! Some cops also had moron syndrome.
The 2nd Commander put in charge of the BPD by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
*All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit or Ollie Grey OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent.*
The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Go find that online & read it Slowly.
Last December a cold case team were put together by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation & they’re on the job. They also have the go-ahead to have both intruders DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally.
One can only hope that this cold case team will have Integrity. And, that none will be after a book deal like certain officers from before, who are Totally responsible for every single Unfounded accusation against all Ramsey family members that goes on & on still to this day for No sound reason At All.
The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys..
@@bethryan9077I see you used a paragraph at the end there. So you are capable of using them. Your walls of text are hard to parse, meaning people just glaze over your comment and nobody takes the time to read it.
If my child goes missing im looking every where for them. I wouldn't be able to get dressed, take a shower, eat and even sleep.
Umm, 🙄😑👍
Took me three days before I could sleep after my son was killed,and we “knew”,So…
@@annmaines4964 your kid got killed? That's horrible I'm so sorry
@@annmaines4964 I'm so sorry for our loss. You're strong for even staying alive after going through that ❤️
When you said "dupers delight" expression...my blood ran cold and I instantly felt sick.
When he kicked his lips and had that flash of a smirk 🤮
Me too. She wrote that note. He gives me the creeps.
I think john Ramsey killed her it grosses me out when he licks his lips.
I was a Document Examiner for 10 years. The shape of both the first a and then the b is already very uncommon and the orientation is the same as is the size, in height, width and even the loops - and even when viewed upside-down - do not escape this. Just from the first sample alone (though I’d need to see more), I’d say this would have raised major flags with me.
Ok so I saw more and would testify both handwritings were issued by the very same person and THAT is my professional opinion, as a Document Examiner with over 10 years experience.
I agree the similarities are alarming, the fact she lied and he lied.
Six highly qualified professionals hired by Boulder Authorities and the FBI determined Patsy, John, or Burke Ramsey did not write the ransom note. Chief Beckner confirmed that the investigation had retained the services of Chet Ubowski, Leonard Speckin, Edwin Alford, and Richard Dusack, Howard Ryle and Lloyd Cunningham to perform handwriting analysis and comparisons. Not ONE of the examiners identified Patsy Ramsey as the author of the ransom note. -Excerpts from former DA Alex Hunter's deposition 11/27/01
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There is no evidence any of the Ramseys lied. None.
Lovey, you have Never SEEN Patsy's writing, you've seen pages of letter 'examples' as If from police files, with her name at the top of one column & 'Ransom note' at the top of the column on the left & both columns of letters are exactly the same. I feel sorry for all you people who believe that is a Real document. BTW - the BPD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts. The Ramsey's attorney hired 2 of the best in the country, all 6 said No Ramsey wrote the note. You don't even know that the formation of letters was Not the only aspect that told Actual experts that the Ramseys were Not involved.
**From the 1st week of 1997 til 2008, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs.
Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury was to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage.
The BPD & Steve Thomas, who had Never worked a murder case Before, were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD, whose officers Should have found JB early that morning though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And Steve Thomas withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country.
The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were.
Steve Thomas illegally took evidence material from the BPD & resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was the precursor for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent. The investigation Continued along with a bevy of private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his integrity as a police officer & all his BS in that book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing.
The Ramseys & Loads of others. who included known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from that unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there.
The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the Whites Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push This vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues.
N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!
The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect.
The Bits You Think You Know About this Crime - Are NOT True.
*You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
It’s 2022 & All is now Known - the 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead, the BPD are holding things up.
**The BPD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022
What find very strange is a hang up 911 call from the Ramsey's residents a few days before the Dec.26 call.
19:18 Look closely. You’ll see tears.
When he looked up, as he was doing the "duper's delight" he also licked his lips which is a way of comforting oneself. Either because he felt the sorrow or because he was lying - I think the tongue movement for self-comfort in combination with the delight expression means he was lying, it's a performance.
You have me in here with a robe on in the bed with glasses trying to solve this case. Been obsessed for 20 years smh Patsy is a great actress. The ransom note always bothered me. Who would take the time to find a pad in the house and write a 3 page letter? Why did Patsy answer the door with lastnights clothes on and makeup? She never went to sleep that's why. She possibly could've been covering for her husband to protect her and her son's reputation/financial stability. Something isn't right about that home. I hate that happened to her. Btw that letter g ...is disturbing! A woman's handwriting imo
Yeah, I've looked at the handwriting in the note compared to Patsy's so many damn times over the years and I genuinely think it would be a statistical anomaly for someone else to either be able to forge her handwriting that well or happen to have handwriting that is that similar to hers, especially considering she had a pretty unique handwriting style.
I know for certain both Patsy and John were involved in covering it up, I'm still not sure who I think did it and whether or not it was intentional or an accident.
Agree with that....
@@christmastiger same here....
No one cares what you are wearing honey. It's not about you.
Charlie M. So you took the time out to type that? smh you definitely care lol move along beloved
To think that John Ramsey had the audacity to try a run for congress after all this 😂
Contrary to what a quick perusal through the comment sections of RUclips videos might suggest, most of the people of the world don't believe that the CEO of a company that employs 350 people owned by Lockheed and his Miss America runner-up wife killed their beautiful, very intelligent, 6 year old pageant star daughter. Most of the people in this country don't read trashy headline magazines. I don't know anyone who does, personally.
Not really sure what is audacious about his running for an office that could make a difference
@@randolphtimm6031 Are you deaf and blind, do you think for one second if there was 0 doubt we would be here now 25 years later 😂
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I agree with you. People like Kakashiballz just likes to talk $hit because he obvs has no life.
@@randolphtimm6031I mean the former boulder Colorado police chief that worked on the case thinks they had something to do with it so there’s definitely more believability there than it just being a “ tRAShy mAgiZinE hEadLine”
@@killamongoose387 I think you're talking about Kolar. Lot's of reasons for saying something is this or that when it's not necessarily this or that. Seems like he was trying to lay it on Burke, if I remember right. He had a book to sell, for one thing. He was the Chief of Police at the time. Nobody likes to say "This happens in our town" and Ramsey's had moved in from Atlanta after taking over a local operation that was going to go belly up. Could be a juxtaposition there.
Police are notorious for not disclosing true facts of a case until there's somebody in cuffs to put in front of the camera. This is just standard operational procedure. Everywhere. It's a game of cat and mouse. So everyone can say "It's John or Patsy or Burke" and Joe Blow Public doesn't go out and stir up the bushes and getting in the way and getting killed in the process. They just sit around and make up their own facts to fit their theory. Look at the trouble CBS went through to put it on Burke. Like he's really gonna smear poop around JBR's bedroom LOLOL ROFL. Yeah. 9 years old and never got caught doing anything to anyone ever.
And CBS guys can sit back and say "You don't want your kids to do this, now, because the next thing you know they'll be killing your other kids. Keep your eyes peeled for neighbors that have kids that do this!" And the cops can say, "We're still looking" so that kinda puts a damper on the crime rate because anyone gets caught doing ANYTHING is going to be up for this one.
And we all get to watch videos of JonBenet dancing and singing which is pretty good, but we would have been able to do that anyway in a few years. Probably.
Even the lead detective that wrote the book told John "I just spent three days in North Carolina talking to peds in prison but that doesn't sell the magazines. We gotta get you out of the bucket. That's what sells the magazines." Dirty laundry. True or not.
At around 19:00 when patsy speaks you can visibly see John mouthing the words as she says as she speaks, as though he told her what to say or or what rehearsed
Yeah you can actually hear him saying the same words it's so creepy
Wow, I missed it, that's is rehearsed for sure.
I'm confused.... is that the right Timestamp? I went back multiple times and only he is talking, then when Patsy speaks, it pans over, I don't see him mouthing her words?
@@danielleking262 it's actually at 17:45 where he does it
@@Cat-mn9zh ah ok, at first I still didn't really see him mouthing her words, but closed to 18:00 then the whole whispering the "keep your babies close to you" part.......
If I remember correctly, JonBenét had signs of abuse in her body. I also think it was John Ramsey.
When she says "She was a daddy's girl" he looks down...
Ok, so you found that odd too
Wait IDK what makes that odd? What do you think?
@@erwinsmith2066 I saw it as him kinda showing remorse. She loved him so much... she trusted him.
He felt guilty and ashamed Smdh😠
You are 100% and are one of the counted and best unbiased analysts for this case. You see through the obvious, without assuming, and get the a conclusion anyone or most studying this case very deeply and without bias would arrive to. Thanks for an excellent job and for being one of the few men who stood up to see things more clearly and wisely. Keep on going with the great work.
At 17:56 when Patsy says “keep your babies close to you”, John looks to her and mouth the words. Just thought that was worth mentioning.
Oh wow, I didn't even catch that.
Rewatched that part based on your comment and looked like he whispered/mouthed the line to her right before she struggled to say it. Great catch.
I wouldn't think much of this since sometimes after living closely with someone for a long time you can almost finish their sentences... He may have just been trying to help her finish her sentence after the "keep your babies...." ( it's fairly obvious what she was going to say next "close to you.") BUT, when he turns his head and directly looks at the interviewer to view his * reaction* to Patsy's display of emotion, it appears he's looking for "approval", or looking to see if the person she is speaking to bought it and believed what was just said or displayed.
That being said Patsy's displays of emotion seem very consistent. She looks like a mother who is trying to survive the deepest trauma she'll ever experience, as losing a child is the most painful thing you can experience. If she is guilty she's a genius of an actress. I really don't think she is though.
@@kmdn1 I agree.
My read is just that he is just supporting and helping her through when she is struggling to get the words out.
My guess is this is not the first time she has said that sentence or sentiment in the last few days, and he knows her well, so he probably knew where she was going.
As at 17:48 she starts saying "to keep..." and than she can't finish, after a small moment he whispers back to her "to keep" (to start the sentence for her and help her finish).
And then we see her just being able to finish her stence as he is also whispering the same thing she is saying back to her.
What I'm seeing is a very sad (and in pain) family member that is struggling with being able to say what they want, and another family member trying to support them with small nudges, trying to make it a little easier for them. Seems very second nature, I'm guessing he either have had to step in and support her like that in very similar ways either multiable times already surrounding their daughters death or it's an established part in their relationship dynamic that he helps her out with things like this.
Interesting catch
Shes also hella sedated ive been on medication that leaves u numb like that its really how to speak when intense emotion is flowing. Speaking from my experience thats exactly what i went through when i suffered a loss
The hand writing looks likes she was nervous , and in a hurry but it looks like hers .
Apparently she was ambidextrous and wrote the letter with her non-dominant hand in order to obscure her handwriting somewhat.
I dont believe for a second that outsider came in and knew where her room was, took her in the basement for some reason, took hes time to write a letter and then killed her. This is insanity. Some one in the family killed her.
Known Facts - Alarm set 5.30 a.m. & the Ramseys were to get on a plane for Charlevoix. Patsy found the note, raced upstairs, found JB gone & screamed for John. He just said “call the police”. It was pitch dark, no-one around & they were terrified. Who would know how long til cops arrived? After calling 911 she called the Whites & Fernies for Help.
2 got in the kitchen door when the Ramseys went to the Whites for dinner. They had broken in before & is why they knew where everything was, where to go & exactly what they were going to do. At about 1.30 a.m. JB was choked with the white nylon cord & tasered on her back in her bed, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried to the boiler room. When the cord was quickly released she screamed, a neighbour heard that because of the vent in the boiler room. Fibres from the cord were found on JBs sheet & are in evidence. They ran out a side door, down to the back & waited under a pine tree then went back in. They had run into the metal ladder & it hit the cement as they ran out. That was the 'crash' noise the neighbour's husband heard. Fresh pine needles came off one of their jackets & were found in the cellar & are in evidence. She was given a lot of water in the early hours & tasered & tortured near that boiler room. The huge pee staining on both undergarments prove that. That was not a garrotte it was a complex bondage device & made by the 17 year old who was into causing fear & using electricity. Both these factors & position is why there is such large pee staining on the front of both undergarments & near to the waistbands. The carpet & underlay were cut out due to the pee stain & are in evidence. The nylon cord was bought as it had to be a bit slippery for the purpose. The knots were intricate & specific then a certain number of ties on the wood & then the 3 loops. When that was done the rest of the cord was JB's exact height. The tip of the paintbrush was cut off & never found. That was not a paintbrush of Patsy’s. JB was given pineapple fruitcake earlier & at 5.30 a.m. She did not eat any of that pineapple that was in the bowl, that was part of the staging, one of many. ‘The stomach contains a small amount (8-10cc) of viscous to green to tan coloured thick material of no particulate matter identified’. ‘The Proximal Portion (Top) of the Small Intestine contains fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple’. Arndt was there & told the ME chunks of pineapple were in a bowl. It takes 2 hours for stomach contents to go to the top of the intestine. In Patsy’s recorded statement June ’98, Thomas Haney told her the pineapple in the bowl was Different to the bits in the Intestine. When Patsy called 911, JB was strangled to death in a rage on top of the dryer in the basement laundry. Cops coming meant no money. There was a phone in that laundry. The one piece of tape was put over her mouth to stop fluids getting on their clothes & she was carried to the cellar. Then 3 blows to the head, 3 weapons & each is in evidence. The 1st was a brick on the top of the head & that caused the huge fracture. The 2nd was a utility knife & small stabs to the skull in a shape. The tool used was broken off & not found. The 3rd was the end of the steel kid's ball bat & that caused the hole that the stabs started. They had planned if the cops were called. They didn't plan that Patsy would stay on the phone calling friends to come & help. That phone on the wall was in the alcove near to where they had to get out the basement door & then their exit door. Glenn Meyer was the author of the note & he organised it all for money with 3 from the house on the corner. One had a huge grudge against John in relation to a family business in Michigan. All was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if no money was paid. Their back-up was the taking of photos. Many items were brought into the house & staged. Many items were taken from cupboards & drawers & staged all over the house, basement & a few things outside. Meyer was secretly living in the Barnhill's basement across the road. He got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. JB's dog was mostly kept there & the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy gave the Barnhills many cards, letters & notes in her print writing over the years. It is easy to copy print writing & he only had to do Some letters like hers as it was Supposed to look like she was trying to disguise hers, which is impossible to do btw. From his vantage point Myer could see through both staircase windows & knew Patsy & John came down the back stairs each morning to make coffee. The note was spread out so all 3 pages would be seen, they wanted their money. The notepad was taken at the Xmas party on the 23rd. Meyer went over saying he was looking for the Barnhills worried about them ensuring he was let in. John took him to where they were sitting & he stayed. The Ramseys didn't even know who he was. JB was never to be taken from the house they had nowhere to operate. The SBTC & Victory is about a plane. Joe Barnhill was a radial gunner in WW2 & flew on the SB2C, Two - T, so SBTC. That was a famous bomber plane & lauded for bringing the war to victory. Meyer had a poster of that plane on a wall in his room, Victory was on the side of the plane. There is a photo of Barnhill holding a framed picture of that plane. From the advanced forensics, the private investigators who never gave up & as happens with lots of crimes, people talk eventually & is why so much is now known Plus because the crime scene techs did an excellent job in taking all the photos & the videos & collecting all the DNA. The Ramseys never put one foot back in that house ever again from after JB was found & they left. The trauma was way too much, but if they Had been able to, this case would have been a Very different matter for all involved. The discoveries were everywhere if the family would have seen it all with very astute investigators. Thomas was only brought into the case 4 days after because the investigators present refused to target the Ramseys. He was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder before let alone a ransom, which was the first crime. He thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD spent their time covering up their total incompetence. They rarely had a murder & this was their first for '96. They refused help from the FBI & the CBI. They put about misinformation & leaked certain photos. That amount of $118,000 was near John's bonus for '95 & was paid to him in March '96. The amount was on his pay stubs each month of '96. The suitcase was already placed under the window & the window was opened after the cops left. Both done as subterfuge. Same with the fresh green leaves that were dumped at the grate & some 'caught' under it. Lou made a mistake about that window, that's all. It was never an entry or exit point. Early that morning, 2 officers did not go in the train room door & 2 failed to pull open that cellar door. There is soo much more to this case that the public don't know about. The type of air taser used has been identified. The burns on JBs back & face are from same taser. The 2nd point was under JB's ear. The burn on her face was bigger because the point was placed there more than once - control. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs 1993 Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns on his face, the 2nd point was on his earlobe. Those tasers were widely used by drug dealers in the 90s. The big underpants JB was found in were put on her in the early hours. Patsy, her sister, their mother & JB went to New York Xmas shopping. Patsy bought her niece a pack of 7 underpants from Bloomingdales that were called Bloomies. They were size 12-14 & had the weekdays on the waistbands. Patsy also bought from there 2 special Barbie dolls for JB. One had her own pair of underpants also called Bloomies. JB begged her mother for the pack of 7 so she had some like her doll. Patsy gave in & they were put away for JB til she would fit into them, about 8 years away. They were put in the back of a drawer in JB's bathroom. When they got home JB went to see her dog at the Barnhills & told them about her special presents. Meyer was ever listening. JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that year for Xmas Day. Access the photo of the paint tray on the carpet. Look to the left a bit at the tray & up a bit, you will see a drawing of a sinister smirking cat's face/head on the carpet, as on the note - fat cat. That was not a nightgown of JBs found in the cellar, it was a dress taken off her life-sized doll that was kept in the corner of her room, but found in the playroom standing at a window, unclothed. That bowl (with chunks of pineapple) was used at the Xmas party on the 23rd & had the icing for the gingerbread houses that all the kids were given & they decorated themselves. That was a heavy bowl & that was icing not milk. There were No fingerprints on that bowl. That glass had a dried tea bag & no tea was made in that. That silver ladle in the bowl came from a cupboard near the spiral staircase & was from a boxed set of 2 that the Ramseys received as a wedding present & had never been opened. That was chosen & placed because of the filigree that was the same as the filigree on many of JB's crowns. The Ramseys were finally exonerated in 2008 due to All the evidence that showed someone was in the house, over 200 pieces of & the DNA cleared them plus lots of others then & since. It is 2021, all is known & 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead. Justice is coming.
Ludicrous! Someone (the murderer) had been in the house before. Unlike the analysis' opinion, there was NO snow around where the murderer entered!
@@bethryan9077 Excellent theory! If only the detectives & body language analyst had as much sense. My theory is very similar, accept you have more knowledge of the situation than I. Good job.
@@bethryan9077 My ludicrous statement was not meant for you. It was meant for the statement above yours.
Since you know all the names & what happened, did the police do anything about the information you gave them. If so, why hasn't anyone been convicted? What about the author of the letter?
@@myrafoster240 I put down the basic facts of what happened, it's not my theory. This case is solved because of the private investigators who never gave up. Steve Thomas was never going to solve this he was an absolute douche-bag. lol. I have a lot more info about what went on in the house, items they placed & moved etc. The general public don't know that 3 cops failed to see that broken window that morning & 2 failed to go in that cellar door. The perps deliberately blocked the train room door, I will presume the 2 cops down there early that morning thought it was a cupboard door. But officer Reichenbach went around the exterior when he got there with his torch & didn't see that window under the grate. The perps were in the basement still when the cops arrived. They had a device to hold the latch in place & that's why officer French couldn't flip the latch down. The items they used were picked up by the crime scene techs but it wasn't known what those were about back then. One of the perps was a white guy & 24 at the time, he committed suicide last year after being questioned. The other one was from Puerto Rico & came with his family to the U.S. when young. They both left town within the week. The DNA is from both of them. If you access the video walk-thru, when the cop comes back from a storage room, he goes back through the laundry. The phone was on the end of the bench to his left. Look above the phone & on the wall to the left you will see a photo. It is a black & white photo of Patsy wearing her crown when she won Miss West Virginia. They stuck that on the wall. There were so many odd things in the house & basement & is part of the reason why the Whites, the housekeeper & the Ramseys had such a big falling-out. It was a 3-ringed circus of blame, when it was these monsters who did everything. Of course, all kept Thomas etc in a tail spin & he just figured the Ramseys were lying about everything. Officer French went on TV saying he didn't go in the cellar door because he was looking for exit points. John was down there before 8 a.m. checking out the window, it was open a fraction & he locked it. He presumed a cop had checked the window out & just hadn't locked it. He didn't go in the cellar because he knew there wasn't a window in there. He noticed other odd things & certain things had been moved when he & White went back down & officer Weiss had taken photos early down there also. John later tried to tell the cops someone must have been in the basement when they were down there, he was ignored.
6 police, 2 detectives & an FBI agent arrived at various times that morning, 2 officers were only looking for entry points & signs of where they exited. None went outside when the sun came up. Officer Whitson later saw the pry mark at the inner part of the kitchen door. Reichenbach had already met the detectives, Arndt & Patterson, before 8 a.m. when they were on their way & he told them there were no footprints in the snow & no signs of forced entry. Arndt had picked up a tape recorder. Her & Patterson didn't arrive til after 8 a.m. It seems that there wasn't much urgency for them to get there & give John instructions about what to do & say if the call came in at 8 a.m. John & Patsy both talk about Arndt taking them up separately to John Andrew's room & going over everything then. The note did say Tomorrow, but in Arndt's performance in that TV interview, she sure didn't mention that at all. She was after a book deal too. She later retracted all she said in that interview & saw Patsy before she died & apologised to her vowing to help find the killer. Her police report for that week had been accessed ages before & it told the opposite of what she said on TV. The general public came down on Burke as seen in so many comments on the threads After that Bogus CBS 2-part doc came out. Burke was never a suspect but James Kolar put out His book blaming Burke, sensationalism sells. That Bogus CBS doc was formatted to his book of bs & all of what they told was bunk, fake documents, fake photos, fake demos, false info - for e.g. deliberately leaving out crucial facts about what actually happened to JB, especially about the gross fractures. They also said 'a rope was around the neck' & went on to say that was staging. It wasn't a rope, it was a nylon cord & the autopsy photo shows it embedded in the neck. The Real report says death was from Asphyxiation. There were marks from her nails on her neck at the cord because she was fighting for her life. Documentaries say Whatever, knowing that most of the public don't do any research & haven't read the Authentic autopsy report, or seen the autopsy photos. All were just mouth pieces for Kolar & he sat back whilst they did his dirty work. And so is why millions of people believed every single word & now soo many believe Burke hit her with that flashlight & the parents staged the rest. The flashlight was never even taken into evidence as it was not a weapon used. The DNA evidence is also dismissed because of what they said about a factory worker & the underpants. They were all sly & despicable & CBS were mightily sued. Lee & Spitz were personally sued for their lies & misinformation in particular. It was because of that 'show' that poor Burke did that interview with Dr Phil. Of course CBS & that 'crew' left out the Real facts about the DNA & never mentioned the other places DNA was collected & tested etc. It is a fact that each test was done at 3 different labs. Matching DNA - from under her fingernails, saliva mixed in the spot of her blood in the underpants, touch DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns. This DNA was put in CODIS. DA Garnett had his own agenda & put himself on TV saying the exoneration was not right. A TV show then said 'DNA in doubt'. Neither mentioned that the DNA is in CODIS, of course. The general public don't know this or that DNA has to be qualified to be entered into the CODIS database & the FBI oversee all that. The next testing with advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. Federal Court Judge Cairn had already declared them factually innocent due to the abundance of evidence, a while Before Lacey's announcement & before Patsy died. That was when Chris Wolfe tried to sue the Ramseys when they named him as a suspect in their book.
The public still don't know about all the evidence that was in the house that pointed to an intruder & away from the Ramseys & that's why Hunter didn't go ahead with the ludicrous grand jury decision. Most probably don't know that the jurors only hear from the prosecution who gets to pick & choose what is presented. At the same time, that Steve Thomas withheld crucial evidence. He already did that earlier in the investigation - hid the photo of the marks on JB's back when all the photos from autopsy were taken to the leading forensic medical examiner at the Colorado University. He said they were definitely burns from a type of stun gun & was to testify to that for the grand jury. The prosecution denied him giving his testimony in the court so no-one knew about that either. The medical examiner when doing JB's autopsy had never seen any stun gun marks before & didn't know what those injuries were & so, nothing in the report about a stun gun. Kolar played on that alone, & said they were from Burke's train tracks! Burke's train tracks had 3 steel pointy pins not 2 blunt ones. There are only a few photos taken that Xmas Day morning because John's camera was nearly out of film. The cops developed that film & there were 3 on the end that John didn't take. I know what the 3 are, have seen 2. The other one is Really important to the case.
The reason he went straight to the basement is because a search was being conducted which he didn't expect so he had to move quickly to go to the body and pretend to find her. That way he could remove the tape from her mouth he could wrap her up in the blanket destroying any evidence.
My guess is that John manipulated his wife into thinking it was their son and had her lie that they don’t know who did it tokeep it under wraps
Thats a really good theory! I never thought about that. I believe he did it. He definitely was doing things to her. She was a bed wetter, had many infections in her private areas and many other issues that are huge red flags. I believe patsy did write that letter but I think it was under his bidding. If he convinced her it was the son, and the son did something on accident then she would absolutely write it & cover for him. That would explain why the rushed him away. It would all fit together. I think you’re right!
I believe they were doing ritualistic stuff with their children and something went wrong and maybe it wasn’t the father himself but people who they practiced this stuff with. I keep hearing this kind of thing happening in Colorado. This reminds me of the allegations Mariah Carey’s sister keeps making about their mom that she had them participating in rituals. There’s kids who grow up to tell about this form of abuse.
No they actually defended their son and said it wasn't him. They accused the whole family for many years. It actually could have been stranger this has happened in other cases too. Anyone can break into your house and do anything. Plus they can match his writing to the letter and give his a detector test. It could have been one of the parents or the son but personally I think it was a stranger that broke in. And they were rich. And what about that guy he hired to do his lawn I think they used to hire homeless people or something for jobs. After this that person was never seen again and did not contact them. It could be that someone tried to abducted the child for money and she made noise and they killled her. And didn't the sister say she saw a man abducting her and taking her out the room?
And I'm not saying the brother did it or any of them I think it was a stranger and I think they found strangers DNA they haven't been able to match. But I read some strange things about the son and they said he would hit his sister really hard with stuff when he was mad at her and that he would smear fecuses all over her room. That is strange even for a hateful brother I feel. One of his friends said he would fly into rages and get violent and one day they were playing with golf clubs and his sister came and he got mad and hit her hard on the head and left a mark on her head. Then they said there was fescues smeared on a box of chocolates he gave his sister for Christmas. And the maid said one day she saw a big pile of pooop in Jon Benets bed and believed her brother did it as he had smeared it on her stuff and room before. And they said she had undigested pineapple in her stomach that she had to consume hours before and they asked the mom if she gave her pineapple and she said no and I think she said she gave her son pineapple after they put JonBennett to bed. They said the child diied from a head injury then being choked. The son might not have done it or the parents could be covering for him because some people would do anything for their kids and cover and hide murder for them. He might not have done it though but everyone said she did not eat pineapple and only the brother did at night in the kitchen so some people think she got up and sneaked a piece out his bowl. Also the brother said the mom was acting psycho looking for his sister and she needed to calm down and that he was just cares about his video games not his sister. It dosn't mean he did it could be a stranger because I think they found strangers DNA on her
@Alondra S your understanding is poor. Everything Mia C said is true.
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John NEVER shed a tear EVER!
I think they are both guilty in some way, but they are not equally good at lying. There is no way Patsy didn’t write that ransom note
Also, she was quick to come up with scenarios. If she thought the letters looked similar, she would have claimed someone tried to copy her writing if she didn’t in fact write it. She also read mystery novels which indicates why the note was written in the language that it was
@@chelseat311 the photo of the rainbow fish party. the letters didn't look the same. She generally did her "a" in this form, not a circle with a stick. Even the g, similar but the tail was "brought up into a circle more". They mentioned the older siblings being there too but they haven't been discussed in anything I have heard.
That Bizarre ransom note has Bewildred, confused, discombobulated, everyone
from then to this day!
that *note* saved John's ass 😢
What I find most striking about John is his lack of response to his wife's emotions. I have brought my husband to tears with my emotions when the cause did not affect him otherwise. This man appears very collected when his wife is falling apart and likely sedated.
Is he ex-military? Trained to be dispassionate?
@@carolinemcgovern8059 Are you implying that people who are in the military would act this way after learning that their child was brutally murdered in their home?
@@mariahyohannes no he questioned it hence the question mark, he was asking if it was a possibility he wasn’t stating it
@@morgancarter5788 that's why i asked
@@mariahyohannes that’s why I answered
John gives a mad or angry vibe whereas Pasty I feel a grief vibe. Pasty has legit sadness.
I like how you call her pasty 😂😂
Not Pasty 😭💀
Just because you are grieving, doesn't mean you didn't do it. Just means that you are either sorry for having done it, you miss the person that is gone or you are grieving the believed or perceived loss of your freedom, or previous life. Along with any other number of reasons that Guilty killers Grieve. The mother dressed her tiny daughter up as a grown adult , a sexually provacative grown adult. There is something very wrong with having swim suit competitions for toddlers. There is also something very disturbing in a Parent treating their Child as a living Doll. Things were not good in that household, as it has come to be shown after Jon Benets Death. Someone in that house killed her, and Both Parents are Equally guilty after the fact.
I think John is just pure evil. I can see him doing anything to anyone to get his way.
Everyone always thought it was Patsy but I truly believe she loved her daughter. As for Burke, he's creepy AF!
Burke is probably autistic or aspbergers. Not his fault. John? Yeah, I see evil.
If John was molesting Jon, he probably also molested Burke at some point.
The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does.
Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing.
The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there.
The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!
Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect.
The bits you Think you know about this case - Are NOT True.
*You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
**The Boulder PD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.
This is the unique convincing theory. Bravo! Every body language expert have claimed that the murdered was Patsy. Nobody had focused on Mr. Ramsey till now. You're a REAL body language expert, sir.
What kind of weird cops have the family and a "family friend" search the house for a missing child? If thats not bad police work I don't know what is, I mean the level of contamination it has me flabbergasted
And hooouuurrss later 🤔🤔
Right??? I know the police aren't infallible, but that's ridiculous
The lone female detective kept calling and calling for backup and none was sent for several hours
@@heathernikki5734 thats an unfortunate part of working in law enforcement, but this caused massive crime scene contamination, it was a no win
She said in an interview she had been picking up on John’s demeanor all morning and it got to the point she feared for her and everyone else’s safety. So she sent him away to break up the tension. I think she was afraid to leave and go looking by herself. Bad police work, but she needed back-up that she didn’t get for hours to secure the house.
The weird thing I have always noticed is that neither Ramsey paid *any* attention to the demands of the “ransom note.” They ignored every single instruction, never mentioned the possibility of the abductors calling, never mentioned obtaining funds, invited tons of friends over before anything was known, and never referenced it again, which is the opposite of how most parents who are responding to ransom notes or phone calls.
So true
Especially since the note said they would behead their daughter if they went to the police or did anything other than what the instructions of the note said.
There is no evidence to support one word of your comment. Zero.
Six highly qualified professionals hired by Boulder Authorities and the FBI determined Patsy, John, or Burke Ramsey did not write the ransom note. Chief Beckner confirmed that the investigation had retained the services of Chet Ubowski, Leonard Speckin, Edwin Alford, and Richard Dusack, Howard Ryle and Lloyd Cunningham to perform handwriting analysis and comparisons. Not ONE of the examiners identified Patsy Ramsey as the author of the ransom note. -Excerpts from former DA Alex Hunter's deposition 11/27/01
John Ramsey actually did call to get the money, and the police were making copies of the bills. The money was never delivered to the Ramsey's house.
Patsy only read to about - 'we have your daughter' & raced upstairs to find JB gone & screamed for John. She could only say about a note & JB gone & he told her to call the police. She was on the wall phone near the spiral staircase & the kitchen & John was on the floor reading the note over & over Then.
It was before 6 a.m., pitch dark, no-one around & they were terrified. Who would know how long the cops would take to get there. After that Desperate 911 call, Patsy phoned the Whites & the Fernies - for Help. John Fernie later called their pastor for prayers & comfort, it was going to be a Long wait, the note said Tomorrow. So Patsy called the Whites & the Fernies, hardly 'tons of people'. FYI - the Cops called 2 victim’s advocates to come.
8 cops & detectives arrived at various times that morning & officer French was there First, go spout your Ignorant shite at Them.
Yes!! Finally, someone looks at the evidence and uses logic; I agree with you 100%. Not because of a hunch or a feeling, because the evidence points to him.
He did it, and he had help covering his butt.
Body language is NOT evidence, bro. Its inadmissible in court because its hokum and bs. Hopefully you never sit on a jury...people like you are the reason there are innocent people in prison.
This is the problem for the general public - you don't know Anything about the crime, the case Or about what was Actually perpetrated upon this poor Child. At the very beginning, the media put out that JB was strangled to death & that was the Medical Examiner’s Report which was Correct. The blows to this child’s head were just After that. Who did the old switcheroo & for what reason? You have No idea what was going on behind the scenes with those lousy & ever deceitful Cops. The Authorities Plus Forensic Scientists, Proved Intruders Were In That House. One half of the public are still back in the Old Days, you all need to Catch Up, it is Not still 1996, 1997, 1998. Expert investigators Continued Working This Case. Soo many in the public domain are stuck in a friggin Time Warp. The other half watched that Bogus CBS TV Show & believed it all & now it’s the Kid brother Burke who bonked his little sister on the head over a piece of pineapple. LOL. The False & misleading information that is Still being portrayed on Most of the vids on Utube, is the Same False & Misleading information that media & books put out from Way Back Then. Wake Up America! Go do some Actual Research. Learn about the Actual evidence. You people have seen a few photos - pineapple in a bowl, flashlight on a bench, cord on a stick, writing on some pages. That is Not Evidence & most certainly Nothing to do with Evidence of Murder. Thank goodness you people didn't get to see More photos. LOL. FYI - there were Hundreds. Someone made a TV 'show' & told you all those items were evidence about the Ramseys & Burke, they Were Not. You have All been Hoodwinked. The ONLY piece that you people know about that Can be classed as evidence, is the notepad. THAT Was Used to Commit this crime. That Did come from the house. There is No Other Evidence From That House, that was Used To Commit This Crime. So what have you people got? Never ending stupid Crap that you all post, that Also has Nothing to do with the Murder of This Child. Access the autopsy photos that are online, they are shoulders up only. Have a good look at the burn on this child's cheek & the cord left embedded in her neck. There were also abrasions at the base of her neck from that cord, from earlier vile acts with that Bondage Device. That was Not a garrotte. Some Idiot thought that Word looked good for a Headline & in a Book, because of that One Photo. A garrotte has Two handles to work, Not One. Source the Photo of the Whole thing. What I have Already told about That, is the True Facts. The Authentic autopsy report States about the rust coloured marks at each temple & the same rust coloured marks on the back of one leg. Crime scene photos Show the rusty log grabber in the Cellar. The authentic autopsy report can be found online, the 1st page has the symbol/emblem for Boulder County- That flashlight was Not a weapon used & that did Not belong to the Ramseys. The authentic autopsy report Proves JB did Not eat Any of that pineapple, Forensics Proved That. Patsy did Not write that note, the Experts Proved That & the Writing was Not the Only factor that Proved That, She Did NOT.
Glenn Meyer took the notepad when he invited himself to their Xmas party on the 23rd, Simple as That. He organised this crime for Money, his 3 cohorts had their Own Ideas for Money. This was a very, Very well Planned crime for money & revenge. There are Many reasons why kidnapping has always been a rare crime. One has to take the time to Think about Why that is a Fact. The plan - JB was Never to be taken from that basement. It was always going to be 50/50 if the cops were called & they didn’t get that quick cash. They sure didn’t go to so much trouble & such high risk for Nothing. The taking of photos was their back-up for money. True Crime for a great many, is way too much to Fathom when you don’t know about the True Facts.
The Ramseys were Officially Exonerated a Long time ago with a mountain of Actual Evidence & by Real experts, including Forensic Scientists. Just because you don’t Know about that evidence, does Not Mean that it doesn’t exist.
The DNA from an unknown male has been in CODIS since 2003. Give the FBI a call. Clearly you people need to Learn what DNA is About. You have been watching TV for over 25 Years & you Choose to believe it All, as long as it’s Against - the Ramseys. You don’t care which one, Or, you decide on all 3. Yet, you don’t even know about ANY Actual Evidence. Shame on every one of You. This case - Has Never Been To Trial & so, You have Never Seen the Case Evidence. What sort of people say all they do about this Very Kind family, when you have Never even Seen Any of the Evidence about the Crime? Loads of you even Demean this murdered little girl also & since 2016, her 9 year old brother too, because of a Bogus TV ‘show’ that was put out by a pack of Con Artists. Burke was Never even a suspect & was interviewed That afternoon when he was still at the Whites by detective Patterson, Neither parent was present, Nor did they know that was happening. Patterson spoke Publicly after that Bogus CBS ‘show’ & said Burke knew Nothing & was Very worried that his sister was still missing. None of you even Know what was Actually perpetrated upon JonBenet, nor do you Care to Find Out, because you’re all too busy spouting all your hateful Garbage about a case that You Know Nothing About & At a fine Upstanding family who Didn’t Do A Damn Thing & who, In Fact, were Victims.. Soo many down the threads, all sites, are an Absolute Disgrace & that’s just another True Fact.
A great many people say that 'it doesn't add up'. But, soo many people, Don't Know Any True Facts about - Anything & so, you are Not in the position to say - that it doesn't add up. All Ramseys were Proven Innocent with a mountain of Actual evidence & eventually by a bunch of Seasoned Experts, including Forensic Scientists. All those under the umbrella of Law Enforcement who Saw 'Facts In Evidence' which Included the autopsy photos, the photo of the skull & the Authentic autopsy report & Loads of other items - that Are In Evidence. . . Until this case is brought to trial for criminal proceedings, the general public will Never get to know the True Facts about this case. Unless you start some Actual Research online, but that takes a whole lot of hard slog & one needs some experience just to tell the difference between a fake document & an authentic one. The vids are Still full of False & Misleading information whether old TV programmes or new Utube 'shows' & both show Fake pages put up on the screen As If from police files, the Same False & misleading information in soo many books. All of this BS has been going around for Over 25 years & counting. People need to wake up to themselves. Obviously too many in the public domain believe all that they read in trashy magazines too. Soo many so-called ‘experts’ jumped on the bandwagon to find their version of fame & to make Money from - all those who are Highly Gullible & all those who are - Particularly Hateful.
The BPD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does.
Two spots of blood were in the underpants but Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury was to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD, whose officers Should have found JB early that morning though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD & resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was the precursor for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued along with a bevy of private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his integrity as a police officer & all his BS in that book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing.
The Ramseys & Loads of others. who included known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from that unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there.
The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push This vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching.
N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!
Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect.
The bits you Think You Know about this crime - Are NOT True.
*You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
It’s 2022 & All is now Known - the 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead, the BPD are holding things up.
**The BPD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.
Did you miss when Patsy says “keep your babies close to you” that John is looking at her and MOUTHING those same words?! Watch again. That particular line was rehearsed!
he appears to be saying,
It's okay" He is comforting his wife.
@@sophiawish9772 agreed. If you listen very closely, you can hear him say "it's okay"
He's definitely mouthing, "to keep"... then he pauses as she does, and then as she continues he mouths along with her, "your babies close to you". You can hear him say "keep". That was a good spot Jennifer
Holy shit it looks like exactly that...that man didn’t comfort his wife once through the whole thing I highly doubt he ever did. He doesn’t give a shit about her, made abundantly clear by his actions here but also in the fact he was with another woman almost immediately after patsy died.
You're right at first I thought he said it's ok but he was definitely prompting her on her next line
I'm an investigator and I've always believed the father was involved. Giving this opinion before your video starts
@Leonard Holt that’s great to know. She’s probably a real investigator so what’s your point buddy? You like defending murderers?
The “Listen carefully!” Is in the letter because Patsy was transcribing what John was saying to her out-loud.
Good catch.
Actually, on Patsy's bedside table was a book she had been reading. In that book a ransom note is wrote and it starts with "listen carefully" also, it ends with it being signed SBTC. Same as the ransom letter found in the home. I believe she wrote it and mimicked the book.
@@boomershelton2449 do you know the name of the book
@@DUNNY14465465473 Mind Hunter by John Douglas. Chapter 16. 20/20 discussed it in their 1998 JonBenet Ramsey segment; oddly I never really see it brought up in discussions of the ransom note despite that being pretty damning.
@@prettyevil6662000 thank you
Remember when Chris Watts brought the ring out to everyone? Reminds me of when Mr. Ramsey brought out his daughter from the basement... Similar strange behavior from two guilty people.
Except that this behaviour has been seen in also innocent people.
Good point!
@@Jake94cool1 like who???
In that situation a murderer wouldn't find his victim nor undo his crime. It is ridiculous to compare Watts bringing out a ring & John, who was racing to get help for his child.
Something I find interesting about the handwriting is that I think people who spend a lot of time together can have similar handwriting. For example, I can recognize my handwriting pretty well and the only other writing I've mistaken for my own is my brother's. They look so similar that I actually thought it was my own. Also, One of my friends and I used to write stories together a lot when we were kids and I noticed we started to adapt certain elements from each other (for example she started making her "a"s like mine.) So it could be very possible that someone in the family wrote the note even if it wasn't Patsy.
The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does.
Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing.
The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there.
The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!
Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect.
The bits you Think you know about this case - Are NOT True.
*You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
**The Boulder PD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.
I think similar handwriting runs in families. My cousin has my mom's exact handwriting but they did not correspond or see one another's writing a whole lot.
What do you think of the Ace family? They’re a family channel on youtube, the father has fallen under a lot of criticism for the way he acts towards his wife and family. I think the idea of a family channel really takes away from the idea of a “family” whenever every day is a sort of act put on for a larger audience. The father has also said things in the past which say he’s a huge narcissist. Just interested in your take
I hope he does this one 🙏🏼
Yes please
this would be very interesting! they used to be my family youtubers back until maybe they got engaged, so maybe 4 years ago. i stopped watching them because of how narcissistic austin became and i really feel like fame and money got to his head especially this is a great idea!!!
The jury in this case said both parents guilty but the DA said no and wouldn't allow it .WHY ? This leads me to think of a possible Peadophile Ring because they never get prosicuted as there are too many of them and are usually high profile influential people ,basically untouchable !
Not a pedo ring … it’s just lack of good evidence
@@SimpleLifeAlways81 Then why in her Autopsy Report does it say tha little girl had Trauma to her genitals and it wasn't the first time it had been over many years ?
ok Qanon, it's 100% likely that pedo's are lone pedo's and part not some "cabal".
Me: *Writes letter*
Me, a second later: *Steps back*
"OMG WHO THE HELL WROTE THIS?!?"
Your evil twin😜
If You knew you did Not write it, what would you say? In doing calligraphy for 30 years, the width of any line in a character can be looked at and determined how it was written. That is, where the line started, and whether it was an up or down stoke. Looking only at The 2 examples, I’d believe that Patsy did not the ransom letter. On the surface, the characters seems similar, but when you observe where each stroke begins and ends, and the line thickness in each part, it’s different, on each character given. Each line in a character is begun, added to, and finished in a different position of the pen, which would be nearly impossible for the same person to do, if only because of muscle memory. It was most likely John who tried to write the ransom letter that was obviously not his own handwriting. Perhaps, he even used a sample of Patsy’s handwriting, and then to add blots, misspellings, etc. in order to divert suspicion from him, and potentially towards her.
When patsy says we don't know if it was a male John's head doesn't move then when she mentions female he gives a head shake. I thought this guy would have picked right up on that.
She managed to squeak out a tear, wow.. i mean for someone who ABOUT TO cry so much.. that actual tear sure took its time.
Anyone else see John mouthing Patsy’s words (17:57) “keep your babies close to you” at the same time as her?? They could’ve discussed this line ahead of time or something, but that’s kinda sus... 👀 Anyways, great video!
Yes, I noticed that as well. It suggests to me that the phrase was rehearsed by them before the interview.
I think he was sexually abusing his daughter per the physical evidence and he controlled Patsy with drugs, abuse or threats. She most likely knew. Also just watched a video by a former homicide detective who got an anonymous call at the time it happened saying John involved her in a pedophile ring and hired the same attorney Epstein used.😳 Sounds very outlandish and probably coincidental if true but she was definitely being abused by someone.
holy shit
I did, thought i was seeing things. Sadly I believe they were both involved, cover up for the son.
@@amb5403 yep, from what I’ve seen on the case, I think Jonbennet got up around 10pm and went to the kitchen and stole some of Burke’s pineapple and milk from his bowl and he clocked her over the head with the Maglite/heavy torch 🔦 John covered up the accidental death with the kidnapping/murder. I am not sure if Burke killed her but maybe she was so messed up from the hit to the head, John thought it was better to protect their only child left and to cover up for Burke and to finish the job. There are too many discrepancies about whether he was awake that morning when Patsy made the call about the alleged kidnapping/ransom note. Patsy thought she she had ended the call but 911 was still on the line. It’s sounds like she says to Burke “What did you do?” I don’t know how they all got away with what happened. I guess money and status can help get you out of dire circumstances.
Somehow it looks like John tries to suppress a smile all the time.
I never realized how he smirked throughout the whole interview. Pasty's pain is so clearly raw. John on the other hand looks entitled. John could've copied Patsy's handwriting. Also I strongly believe Patsy's breast cancer was a direct result of her grief and stress form this ordeal. She was also treated so badly by the press and all the hateful 'perfect' judges meaning the onlookers and naysayers pointing g their fingers a her.
Did she have breast cancer too? I read she'd passed away from ovarian cancer 💁- if patsy wasn't involved in this bloody hell what a bad life she ended up living.
She had ovarian cancer - stage four, I don't know how she stayed alive as long as she did. She was really sick BEFORE JonBenet was murdered. Maybe, because she WAS so sick, Patsy seemed ready to believe that John Mark Karr had something to do with it. I still think she was covering for John. I don't know how anyone could so quickly duplicate Patsy's hand writing , it just looked too much like it. If Patsy was covering for John, she chose her husband's needs over her child's. It goes against the natural order of things - to not protect your child, even when it's someone you love. It had to be hell on Earth.
She had ovarian cancer. She had bouts of it before JonBenet was killed.
I was looking for this. I long have suspected that her father killed her. He gives off psychopathy vibes to me. I believe John killed her and Patsy pretty much knows and doesn't want to deal with it or admit it to herself. I keep trying to read him and see the real John but I can't because I think it's the stereotypical pyschopathic trait of putting on the mask. . I don't sense genuine empathy in his character. I believe he is extremely intelligent and a high functioning pyschopath. And I truly believe he staged the whole discovery of the body thing because his pyschopathy is so evolved that he has that level of audacity.
The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does.
Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing.
The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there.
The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!
Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect.
The bits you Think you know about this case - Are NOT True.
*You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
**The Boulder PD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.
You need to get Your 'psychopathy' all checked.
An innocent Mother would say “I GET IT! It looks just like my writing!” Stop asking me questions and find my daughters’ killer! 🤬
I think Patsy was innocent, but she definitely bumbled (for the viewers) by not stating the obvious. They had lawyers. She may have been following the lawyers guidance
@@rainingyarrow540 she was probably scared and/or in shock too. 💔
lol no everyone is different so not everyone will say the same thing
@@deborahrobinson9718 Good point
If she were guilty having her be interviewed while sedated could be very dangerous.
So true! Even if she’s innocent its dangerous to be sedated when being interviewed about something so serious.
Or the best idea ever I've seen ppl try to lie harder on xanax
@@jayvorheee7042 what does that mean? " true to lie harder"??
@@crystabella39 "true" was a typo I meant "try". I dont know if maybe it was their personality but some ppl I have seen on xanax or clonazepam seemed more eager to aid with a fabricated story than they were b4 they took it. It was something I noticed at a specific college I attended
@@jayvorheee7042 people who are on benzodiazepines are much more likely to be led in an interview, and pliable.
He almost looks like he's smiling at times...
Actually, Mrs Ramsey didn’t say “it doesn’t sound like a kidnapping to me”, she said “that sounds like a kidnapping to me”. I hear it pretty clearly. On top of that, given what knowledge she had at the time, it would make zero sense for her to say the opposite.
The father killed JonBenet and the mom knows he did it
@Leonard Holt fear that he'd kill her too
When they split, thats a a very interesting fact after the all murder case
@Leonard Holt My humble opinion, she didn’t turn him in because she was very codependent. She was completely controlled by him and felt she had no choice but to go with his story and whatever else went on in that house. I believe her death from cancer was caused by the inner conflict and her pain. ( My imagination even goes far fetched as to wonder if her death could have been a murder to keep her from talking - Pedo rings protect its members) I think Mr Ramsey was responsible for the death and lacks any regret or remorse for his daughter’s death or any empathy for his wife’s pain.
It's the opposite the mom hired a third person and the dad put two and two together he asked her on the 911 call what did you do in the background he got a separate attorney and patsy wrote the not
@@jspella1477 I agree
Yes, I do believe that John killed his daughter.
I think he is the most likely suspect
I know it was someone in that family. Someplace on youyube someone took a camera in the home and you would have to know the home to get around there. Also the back door was unlocked and the alarm was iff