Why Did the Ramsey Parents NOT Take a Polygraph? Body Language Analysis
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Patsy took a polygraph but it was carried out by an independent company, not the FBI. She passed… at the third attempt
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
😂😂😂 3rd times a charm😢
I never knew that was option to pick ya own polygrapher
@@andykod77well when the police chooses what makes you think they are choosing an unbiased polygraph expert?
The police had tunnel vision and were unwilling to look in other directions. Regardless of how much or how little the Ramseys were cooperating, nothing was going to convince the police otherwise. There is no evidence proving the Ramseys did this. 28 years of waste going after an innocent family.
I understand that we all have different psychologies and therefore respond to grief differently. But when my father died suddenly, I was in turmoil between intense sadness and disbelief. I KNEW logically that he was dead, but I did NOT want to leave him. At his wake, I held his hand until the funeral director closed the lid of his casket forever. I knew that I would never see him again and I wanted to BE with him as long as I could.
On the other hand, John Ramsey, moments after seeing his beautiful daughter's corpse in his home, immediately attempted to "skedaddle, get outta Dodge!"
The explanation that "Businessmen don't cry." Does NOT fly with me either. I am a professional and I have NEVER cried at work. BUT, one's PERSONAL life is different. "Because John had a job, he didn't display emotion when his daughter died." Sounds as silly to me as the "ransom" note! 😂
@benjaminhawthorne1969 When my dad was in the casket I did not even want to look at him because I knew his spirit was no longer residing there.
JonBenet was to be buried in Atlanta and the Ramsey's had no where to stay in Boulder since they gave over their house to the Police crime scene investigators.
@@vernonfrance2974 true but this was his 6 year old innocent daughter. She literally was just killed. You don’t try to leave the state the same or next day especially when an investigation is ongoing. They did end up staying with the Stines right? John was a very wealthy man and he had a lot of connections. I highly doubt they had no where to go.
benjamin, what irks me now is John recently saying "the issue here is not the murder of a child. The issue is that we (he and Patsy) were misjudged." That's a horrible sentiment coming from a father whose little girl was brutally murdered.
Forensic pathologist Cyril Wecht says John did it. The note is John's writing when he's not using cursive. See his sample.
It's also his language and knowledge in the note: His bonus amount, 'foreign faction' a star trek reference he was a fan, 'stray dogs' a phrase he was documented to use prior to the crime.
He was sa ing his daughter and accidentally killed her and needed to cover it up. He tied the knot that killed her as he was a trained knot specialist in the navy.
He wrote the note to try to trick Patsy into not calling police.He wrote about a 'long delivery of ransom money in a suitcase ' to make an excuse to dump her body using the suitcase
@@silvio.r8443 Very interesting! 🤔
Some have asked if he will ever "come clean" and tell the truth of what happened. I say no. Patsy went to her grave with the secret and John is planning to do the same. Burke was a young child at the time, he was not aware of every detail, as his parents were. Still, if he ever decides that he could use a million dollars, he might write a book, sharing what he knows about his parent's coverup of the truth.
They make it sound like they can’t meet with police until JonBenet was buried- the two things aren’t mutually exclusive! If this couple weren’t rich, they would never be allowed to do all the evasiveness they did.
@cowsonzambonis6 They already had met with police and gave samples of their handwriting, DNA and hair - even pubic hair. None of it showed up at the crime scene but an unknown male's did - in JB's underpants, under fingernails and on the waist band area of her leggings.
Bingo! They treated them with kid gloves.
@cowsonzambonis The Ramsey's met with the police on Day One giving them answers to questions, DNA and handwriting samples and hair samples including pubic hair. Later they gave depositions under oath on many aspects of the case. Lou Smit said they did more than any case he'd ever heard about.
Freemasons
How did John say they had no idea the police were suspecting them, then say his lawyer knew the police were zeroed in on them so that's why they lawyered up?
Because John’s a talker. He’s a schmoozer and a schemer. He thinks he can say anything and it will stick. All these years these tiny inconsistencies have shown through but no one really questions them.
Forensic pathologist Cyril Wecht says John did it. The note is John's writing when he's not using cursive. See his sample.
It's also his language and knowledge in the note: His bonus amount, 'foreign faction' a star trek reference he was a fan, 'stray dogs' a phrase he was documented to use prior to the crime.
He was sa ing his daughter and accidentally killed her and needed to cover it up. He tied the knot that killed her as he was a trained knot specialist in the navy.
He wrote the note to try to trick Patsy into not calling police.He wrote about a 'long delivery of ransom money in a suitcase ' to make an excuse to dump her body using the suitcase
He could blame it on shock.
The answer to your title is short and sweet. It goes like this!!!
THE DISTRICT ATTOURNEY IS RUNNING DEFENCE FOR THEM
FREEMASONS
The ransom note reminds me of when I attempt to to write left handed when , I'm naturally right handed. Just looks like Patsy trying to disguise her handwriting . Also how come they never publicly got frustrated as to why aren't the police looking for this so called "foreign faction?" And as far as we know the police never really expressed a desire to investigate this so called Foreign Faction.
The letter just throws so much off… but even more leads to the fam
Patsy was ambidextrous.
Probably because the Ramseys claim they didn’t read the ransom note. Also her body was found and the police didn’t believe the letter was legit.
Forensic pathologist Cyril Wecht says John did it. The note is John's writing when he's not using cursive. See his sample.
It's also his language and knowledge in the note: His bonus amount, 'foreign faction' a star trek reference he was a fan, 'stray dogs' a phrase he was documented to use prior to the crime.
He was sa ing his daughter and accidentally killed her and needed to cover it up. He tied the knot that killed her as he was a trained knot specialist in the navy.
He wrote the note to try to trick Patsy into not calling police.He wrote about a 'long delivery of ransom money in a suitcase ' to make an excuse to dump her body using the suitcase
Why would a Foreign faction tell John to use his good Southern common sense? Why would a Foreign faction know all these different American movies?
The answer i get from this case is, "the rich and powerful can kill whoever, while us normies face real consequences from any kind of step out of line!" Like the two ladies around the same time with the car in the lake and the gun in the car.
As with the McCanns got a PR / spokesperson at one point to probably fend off questions.
I agree money speaks volumes
The true message is that you can be rich and powerful but that doesn't stop the police from conducting a one sided investigation overlooking all suspects except the parents who earned their money by hard work not inheritance.
@jailhousephilosopher3309 yeah and imagine what it's like now ,if it was like this 30 odd year ago
Lol no! Has nothing to do with being rich and powerful.
1) The cops were terrible
2) They're innocent. It was intruder
BUT YOUR CHILD is your home. AREN'T THEY??? I can't imagine one of my daughters being murdered and I would just like flee. I can't imagine it.
@debbiethompson14 Their home was in ATLANTA and they gave their house in BOULDER over to the police investigation. Why stay in Boulder in a hotel where the media would be dogging them when they had already given hair including pubic hair, DNA, and writing samples and answers to the police's questions when they had the belief the BPD were competent and would find the actual killers?
@@vernonfrance2974I’m open to all possible realities because I don’t believe in assuming the worst necessarily, I believe the truth whatever or however it looked matters, it’s just…. Their behavior after it all isn’t compelling. I don’t know if it’s because they’re from a wealthy background so it just doesn’t resonate to me as for PR, moving houses, lawyering up, etc, I just don’t feel any remorse. I don’t feel emotion and passion behind it. I’m just not convinced 😓🤔
Exactly. You would stay in Boulder and help the police with any additional info they needed.
U would If the cops thought u did it and didn't seem to be taking you seriously
@@Scrappicat How can u help the police when they're convinced you're guilty and nothing u say will change it? You would have to be extremely "not very smart" not to call your lawyer?
1) John can only tell them. He went to bed.
2) Patsy can only tell them she woke up and found note!
I think the only thing that makes sense is, the kids got up in middle of the night to play with their new toys, Burk (who had a history) lost his temper & hit JonBenet on top of the head with either the flashlight or his nearby bat rendering her immediately unconscious. The rest was a panic driven an attempt at a coverup, either by Burk himself who was a month away from being 10 yrs old & could have written that ransom note using words and phrases taken from movies he'd seen or the parents or both. One thing that stands out to me, the parents said they never asked Burke if he got up that night or heard anything they "never saw a reason to" they said very strange. As long as they insist Burke was asleep throughout the entire thing from begging to end, there's no need to bring him into the equation at all. It was always him they were protecting. Many yrs later Burke admits on Dr. Phil he did sneak downstairs that night while everyone was asleep to play with his trainset in the basement.
Except for the evidence showed that she was strangled at the same time that she was hit on the head. Simultaneously or practically simultaneously
I agree and think that Doug Stine might have also been there and was involved.
@@christieneal3392 She had clawed at the ligatures trying to loosen them. She had DNA from her own skin and from an unknown male under her fingernails. The DNA was consistent with that found in her underwear and on the waist band area of her leggings. She could not have struggled if she had that 8 1/2" skull fracture with a rectangular section compressed in to her brain. She would have been unconscious. The blow on the head came last and a bat with fibers from the basement rug was found outside the back door.
@@nurseriley9192 What evidence is there of that? Doug's DNA does not match that of the unknown male. She had DNA from her own skin and from an unknown male under her fingernails. The DNA was consistent with that found in her underwear and on the waist band area of her leggings.
Do you think they would have been adept at the complicated knot used on the paintbrush? Seems rather sophisticated for boys. Very mysterious
They learned from the oj Simpson trial. Destroy the crime scene, hire teams of lawyers, say the shoes aren’t familiar to you, be on sedatives and ask for your golf clubs.
Bingo
These 2 are a HOOT!!
These people make me sick
They were horrible parents who raised a very disturbed son and over sexualized their young daughter. Then covered up their son’s ( and possibly his friend’s) crime and call the police incompetent. 🤮
Very good, succinct summary of the Ramseys.
Nice speculation with 0 evidence
I agree with you except on one point the police were absolutely incompetent. Absolutely they developed tunnel vision and they should have had some police investigating the slim possibility of an intruder. That being said I believe Burke is guilty but you don't focus totally on that you investigate even a slim possibility that they didn't do. And then to say the police were not incompetent it's just wrong. You don't allow family to trample through the crime scene and you absolutely don't allow the father to find his own daughter the police should have done that in the original search. They were beyond incompetent they were stupid. The police and the Ramses both destroyed this case. The Ramsey singing the police are solely responsible is incorrect they are half responsible the Ramses are the other half. A lot of people might say this is hard-nosed but anytime you don't solve a case you have failed as a police unit. I know a lot of people want to defend the police and everything but in this case they were totally incompetent they were totally outgunned. Even patrol officers in other departments said what Police department lets people trample through the crime scene. What Police department searches the house and does not find the victim allows a possible suspect to search the house and find the victim. To me I would be totally red-faced if I was the investigator that serves the house and did not find her and then John comes out of the basement with her. The police were definitely stupid and hindered this case the Ramseys were definitely beyond stupid and hindered this case. There was a kidnapping the FBI should have been involved the state police should have been involved investigating the murder and Boulder police should be writing traffic tickets.
Curious to hear more on your theory of the son and his friends. That a new one the friends part. Thank you in advance.
If Patsy was on sedatives, she would have passed the detector test. I read that a valium or calming sedative slows the heartbeat and they would have passed the lie detector test. Not sure if anyone is allowed to sedate themselves before a test, but Patsy was still recovering from her cancer and she was sedated during her mourning of Jonbenet.
They usually ask about medications. I wonder if they asked her?
She took a polygraph 3 times .
They still create a base line of your heart rate before they test you.
I take Valium on a daily basis & I know I'd fail a polygraph if I was lying.
That was Linda's personal opinion which is why she did not include it with her report. What Linda said in her report was even more telling. As John kept hugging Jon benet he would immediately look towards hall a few times. Like hey look at me mourning my daughter. It was all an act.
Because they’re guilty. People who think otherwise are idiots.
Count Me In how exactly did they kill her
Guilty of not fully protecting her I'll grant that, sleeping on different floors, handing out keys to the house to various people. But this is victim blaming.
But then the Ramseys didn't expect that someone would plan with such evil to satisfy a grudge they had against John.
@@AmandaSlayton-n1z Forensic pathologist Cyril Wecht says John did it. The note is John's writing when he's not using cursive. See his sample.
It's also his language and knowledge in the note: His bonus amount, 'foreign faction' a star trek reference he was a fan, 'stray dogs' a phrase he was documented to use prior to the crime.
He was sa ing his daughter and accidentally killed her and needed to cover it up. He tied the knot that killed her as he was a trained knot specialist in the navy.
He wrote the note to try to trick Patsy into not calling police.He wrote about a 'long delivery of ransom money in a suitcase ' to make an excuse to dump her body using the suitcase
@deadmanswife3625 Forensic pathologist, Cyril Wecht says John did it. The note is John's writing when he's not using cursive. See his sample.
It's also his language and knowledge in the note: His bonus amount, 'foreign faction' a star trek reference he was a fan, 'stray dogs' a phrase he was documented to use prior to the crime.
He was sa ing his daughter and accidentally killed her and needed to cover it up. He tied the knot that killed her as he was a trained knot specialist in the navy.
He wrote the note to try to trick Patsy into not calling police.He wrote about a 'long delivery of ransom money in a suitcase ' to make an excuse to dump her body using the suitcase
The Mccanns had the same priority...to bury their child.
Polygraphs are not admissable in court. Why? They are not accurate or reliable.
They both took polygraphs
John Ramsey comes across as self entitled and privileged as well having an above the law attitude. As a consequence they can appear evasive and covering up the circumstances of the case . No wonder the grand jury returned their findings .
They do come across as extremely above the law and due process I agree.
@brianambrosemcmahon8531 Yes...narcissistic self entitled probably molesting daughter and finally got caught maybe. I know what its like and so many people won't believe it but it does get covered up. He shows the least emotion because they don't have any. Makes me sick.
The CBI should publicly offer John an opportunity to take a polygraph, today. Lets see if he is serious about this investigation
Patsy was seen pretending to cry while looking through her fingers to see who was watching.
That is not true. Elliot Zaret and Alli Krupski Daily Camera, December 27, 1996"
" Patsy had to be helped even in the bathroom. Finally, the Valium she had taken made Patsy drowsy. She fell asleep again on the living room floor. Two hours later she was awake again, sobbing, asking for Burke, asking if all the doors and windows were locked.
"John Ramsey, lying on the sofa, slept fitfully. When he nodded off, his mask of stoicism vanished. He heaved with sobs."
EVEN BPD reports show they were grief stricken":
Below are several Boulder police reports regarding John and Patsy’s behavior that contradict what we’ve always been told.
”Patsy is loosing [sic] her grip at the scene.” (BPD #5-3851.)
”John Ramsey would break down and start sobbing at the scene.” (BPD #5-3839.)
”Every time the phone rings, Patsy stands up and just like takes a baseball bat to the gut and then gets down on her knees and she’s hiding her head and crying as soon as that phone rings and it’s like a cattle prod.” (BPD #5-3859.)
”Sgt. Reichenbach felt Patsy was a complete emotional mess.” (BPD Report #5-3917.)(formal interview)
”Officer French thinks the Ramseys are acting appropriately at the scene.” (BPD Report #5-3851.) (formal interview) ”12: 05 a.m. 12-27-96: \
“Both John and Patsy get Valium.” (BPD Report # 1-112) ”12: 20 a.m. 12-27-96: “John and Patsy Ramsey fall asleep on the living room floor.” (BPD Report #1-112) ”01: 50 a.m. 12-27-96:
“Patsy gets up and asks if someone is with her son, Burke. She also asks for more pills and says ‘I just want to stay asleep.’ She also asks if all the doors and windows are locked. She is drowsy and drugged.” (BPD Report #1-112) ”02: 00 a.m. 12-27-96:
“Patsy gets up to go to the bathroom. She is drowsy and dazed. Sobs every once in a while. At times needs to be supported.” (BPD Report #1-112) ”02: 35 a.m. 12-27-96:
“Patsy Ramsey goes back to bed.” (BPD Report #1-112) ”02: 40 a.m. 12-27-96: “John Ramsey gets up and asks for two pills and walks around crying.” (BPD Report #1-112) ”02: 45 a.m. 12-27-96:
“John Ramsey goes back to bed.” (BPD Report #1-113, Source.) ”02: 50 a.m. 12-27-96:
“John Ramsey is back up crying and sobbing at times.” (BPD Report #1-113)
”Per [Patsy’s friend] … Patsy looked dead herself … was up every 30 minutes throughout the night. John was pacing when I got there … was pacing and crying throughout the night … Patsy would ask … me to check on Burke every 10 minutes.” (BPD Report #1-1881)
”Patsy was literally in shock. Vomiting, hyperventilating.” (BPD #5-433)
”Patsy cries all the time.” (BPD #1-640)
”During the initial ransom demand time Patsy was hysterical, just absolutely hysterical.” (BPD #5-230)
”She is hyperventilating. She is hallucinating. She is screaming. She was hysterical. John was pacing around. [Close family friends] were trying to keep Patsy from fainting. She was vomiting a little.” (BPD #5-404) ”I thought Patsy was going to have a heart attack and die. I thought she was going to kill herself.” (BPD #5-437)
2020-07-08, 7:22 AM
Funny 😆
In a lot of these long standing murder cases, it seems like someone deliberately wanted to create confusion to throw the scent off. Years later many of these people are still giving public statements in interviews.
& STILL raking in THOUSANDS of $$$ off the bck of their Victim by writing books tht throw MORE wrenches in 2 the case
@tajhayes7841 That's exactly how it looks.
Forensic pathologist Cyril Wecht says John did it. The note is John's writing when he's not using cursive. See his sample.
It's also his language and knowledge in the note: His bonus amount, 'foreign faction' a star trek reference he was a fan, 'stray dogs' a phrase he was documented to use prior to the crime.
He was sa ing his daughter and accidentally killed her and needed to cover it up. He tied the knot that killed her as he was a trained knot specialist in the navy.
He wrote the note to try to trick Patsy into not calling police.He wrote about a 'long delivery of ransom money in a suitcase ' to make an excuse to dump her body using the suitcase
@silvio.r8443 Could be. That could explain why he's still doing public interviews like Amanda Knox.
@@silvio.r8443nah I don’t think he killed her, I think he’s covering up for the son
13:31 I do hate that “lawyering up” is a sign of guilt. Guilty people should get a lawyer. Innocent people NEED a lawyer. Everything you say can and WILL be used against you. Innocent people are locked up too often because they “wanted to be helpful” during an investigation and “had nothing to hide”.
rileyates, like Richard Matthew Allen of Delphi.
It's all those copaganda shows that repeat to every potential person they are investigating, 'if you have nothing to hide, then tell me what I want to know,' (or some variation on that. These shows consistently show suspects who ask for a lawyer and refuse to talk to the cops as guilty, and as even more suspect because of it. The simple fact is, cops will lie and say absolutely anything to get a confession out of you. They will tell you ANYTHING they want and they have absolutely no consequence. They can tell you that someone else has said you did it. They can legally say this to you. And if you are caught lying to *them*, you can be prosecuted for it.
Don't. Talk. To. Cops. Don't take polygraphs. Don't say a single word other than 'I will not speak to you without a lawyer.' Every question they ask. 'I will not speak without a lawyer.'
Because cops do not care if you did it. They don't care if you are innocent and got to prison for life. They want to shut their case and go home and eat dinner. They do not care about you.
Don't say a word to cops. Don't agree to polygraphs-- they're inadmissible because they are so inaccurate and easy to get the wrong reading.
Exactly they could afford proper lawyers and they got good legal advice as well as PR. If JCS taught me anything it's to never ever talk to the cops. It's so clear in this case the police weren't looking at anyone else, and were clearly fabricating stories that "leaked" to the press!
They ddn't take a polygraph Bcuz they're GUILTY as sin & they wldn't let Burke take 1 Bcuz he's GUILTY as sin 2!!
@tajhayes7841 They did not take a polygraph with the FBI because they are not reliable and are not even used as evidence in a court of law.
The true perps have scarcely been investigated by the BPD.
They did allow him to be questioned alone though. I always thought that was interesting IF he had anything to do with it. That’s why I am open any one of the Ramseys doing this. It could have been a SA gone wrong by John. It could have been Patsy, frustrated and angry at JbR or it could have been Burke. I just don’t think Burke could do all of it himself. I just read about the housekeeper who said that the Ramsey marriage was lifeless, not loving. John worked. He left everything else including the children, up to Patsy to take care of. Patsy’s mom gave her parenting discipline books, JBrs bedwetting problem was at its worst. She even felt Patsy was schizophrenic/multiple personalities. If true and if rumors of John’s possible infidelity was true then I could see a woman freak out. Even Burke said she was going Psycho. I don’t know why they got up when they did because to be where they needed to be they would have had to have woken up earlier. Why would they have the kids out so late. What was the need to stop by the Stines? Was JBR alive when she entered that house? Stine said she saw JBr and she was happy yet patsy said JBR stayed in the car. Someone is lying. 🤥
@@pamelasmith6221 She was "going Psycho" because her daughter was missing and she feared the worst. Anybody would be upset by that.
Lol no he's not! U guys are so off base.
A 10 yr old did it and spent the rest of his life saying nothing and turning out "relatively normal" (not to mention he made it through a 2hr police interview interview alone without slipping up)
Then the parents make a tool for her neck, throw her in the basement, then write note and call police first thing in the morning?
"Pat, John and a 10yr old kid are the greatest criminal masterminds of 20th century" 😂. (They're innocent)
@@pamelasmith6221 Burke would have broke long ago if he knew anything. It was an intruder!!
The Ramseys have become significantly wealthy following a number of lawsuits against those who implicate the family. The most conspicuous move they made was quickly hiring a legal-team & a p.r. team….
Disgusting behavior is the only thing I can say. Evil, horrible, maleficent. Just horrible and terrible. I truly do hope whatever happened to her that she didn’t suffer… I cannot even fathom. Rest in peace Jon benet
Patsy and John vehemently denied hiring PR people and then in the same sentence admits they hired someone to help them. I literally yelled out loud “that’s a PR person” 🤦🏻♀️
They did not hire a PR team. Their lawyers were not present at many of their tv interviews.
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Watching John & Patsy throughout the years, in my opinion…they exhibit a lot of “denial”. Quick comebacks & answers for everything. And always benefitting themselves….
Good morning! I hope this case will be solved one day for this poor little girl!
Forensic pathologist Cyril Wecht says John did it. The note is John's writing when he's not using cursive. See his sample.
It's also his language and knowledge in the note: His bonus amount, 'foreign faction' a star trek reference he was a fan, 'stray dogs' a phrase he was documented to use prior to the crime.
He was sa ing his daughter and accidentally killed her and needed to cover it up. He tied the knot that killed her as he was a trained knot specialist in the navy.
He wrote the note to try to trick Patsy into not calling police.He wrote about a 'long delivery of ransom money in a suitcase ' to make an excuse to dump her body using the suitcase
I completely understand the feeling of "I cant believe anyone could think it was me" or "how dare you suspect me" when one IS innocent... BUT I also now know, that everyone closest to the victim/s has to be ruled out FIRST, AFTER having consumed so many cases over many years
Absolutely. So, if your child was missing or killed, wouldn’t you do absolutely anything to get them back or find the killer? Wouldn’t you do whatever it took so the police could eliminate you and get on with the investigation? I’d be like - question me, polygraph me, lock me up if you have to, but find the person who did this.
Exactly. Your daughter is killed in your home under your supervision and the police shouldn’t look at you first? Especially with their behavior and the things they said that were inconsistent. That’s the police department’s job. If you are innocent then you shouldn’t be offended at anything.
@ right. And I can see how it might hurt your feelings to be suspected, but so what? You want to find your child.
@@melissasw64 And that's why John and Patsy didn't do that. They are involved in her murder.
What do you mean find her?? She was found dead in the basement the day is she was reported missing 😑
They were in on it. Period
🎄🎄In the crime scene, photos, JB bedroom has the nintendo 64 Burke got for Christmas and a Tv in her closet set up. A fecal stain on the carpet and Burke'spj pants in her bathroom. , The christmas model is half put together as reported on Dr Phil by the dad. The base ball bat under her window outside , the neighbor hearing the Clank.
And JB pillow on the kitchen table, which seemed like a good place to write a long ransom note. The evidence missed is perplexing.
Thanks for the analysis. 🎮⚾️🎁
Burke did it, he hit her out of anger and they covered it up. Patsy would rather have died that night with her daughter than live with the truth and lifelong consequences and the damage to her family image and reputation forever. John did what he had to. He still is.
Case closed💯
Damn we got an expert over here
@@Shy__wolf just an astute observer that's all it takes
@LinTrueCrimeProject
Here is what REAL EXPERTS said about Burke's possible involvement:
From Burke Ramsey v CBS
"On December 26, 1996, outside the presence of his parents and unknown to them,
Burke was interviewed by Boulder PD Detective Fred Patterson who concluded that Burke did
not have any idea or knowledge about what had happened to his sister.
83. On January 8, 1997, Burke was interviewed with his parents’ consent and outside
of their presence by a psychologist, Dr. Suzanne Bernhard, who concluded in writing on her
report to the Boulder PD that it was clear to her that Burke did not witness the murder of his
sister.
84. On June 10, 11and 12 of 1998, Burke was interviewed with his parents’ consent
and outside of their presence by Boulder PD Detective Dan Schuler.
85. As part of the investigation, a grand jury was impaneled in September of 1998
and dismissed in the fall of 1999.
Page 13 of 108
86. The Boulder PD and the Boulder DA publicly exonerated Burke before, during,
and after the grand jury investigation.
87. In early 1998, former Boulder PD Chief Mark Beckner stated during a news
conference that Burke was not involved in the killing of JonBenét, was not a suspect in
JonBenét’s murder, and was not being looked at as a suspect.
88. Despite being fully aware of his comments, Defendants ignored and did not
disclose Chief Beckner’s 1998 comments during the Documentary.
89. In May of 1999, former Boulder DA Alex Hunter issued a press statement that
publicly and officially stated that Burke was not a suspect in connection with the murder of his
sister. It said, in part:
[A]lmost a year ago [Boulder] Police Chief Mark Beckner stated during a news
conference that Burke was not a suspect and that we are not looking at him as a
possible suspect. To this day Burke Ramsey is not a suspect.
90. Former Boulder DA Hunter’s May 1999 exoneration occurred approximately
eight months after he convened a grand jury and approximately five months before the grand
jury investigation concluded.
91. Despite being fully aware of the press release, Defendants ignored and did not
disclose DA Hunter’s May 1999 statements during the Documentary.
92. The Boulder DA hired Michael Kane, Esq. (“Kane”), a prosecutor from
Pennsylvania, as a Special Prosecutor to oversee the grand jury investigation.
93. On or about December 12, 1999, Kane publicly acknowledged in a statement to,
and published by, the Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, Sunday Patriot News that there was no evidence
developed in the investigation that supported an accusation that Burke killed JonBenét:
One of the more horrendous mistakes by the media, Kane said, was the story by a
supermarket tabloid, The Star, that branded Burke as the killer. Earlier this
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month, the Ramseys filed a $25 million libel suit against the paper. Kane recalled
that when the story first came out last May, it troubled the prosecution. And
when the story began getting picked up by other newspapers, they knew they had
to do something.
. . .
“Alex Hunter and I decided there was no basis for that speculation and no
evidence to support it, and we issued a press release to put it to rest,” Kane said,
“I think it’s horrible that a 12-year-old kid would have a finger pointed at him
with no evidence to support it and have to see his picture on the cover of
tabloids every time he’s in a supermarket saying that he killed his sister.”
(Emphasis added).
94. Kane’s December 1999 statements occurred approximately two months after the
grand jury investigation concluded.
95. Despite being fully aware of his comments, Defendants ignored and did not
disclose Kane’s December 1999 comments during the Documentary.
96. In a sworn affidavit dated October 12, 2000, former Boulder DA Alex Hunter
reaffirmed under oath that Burke had never been a suspect in the investigation into his sister’s
murder. A copy of said affidavit is attached hereto as Exhibit “A”. The affidavit stated, in part:
From December 26, 1996, to the date of this affidavit, no evidence has ever been
developed in the investigation to justify elevating Burke Ramsey’s status from
that of witness to suspect.
97. Despite being fully aware of his affidavit, Defendants ignored and did not
disclose DA Hunter’s October 2000 affidavit during the Documentary.
98. In 2003, the United States District Court for the Northern District of Georgia
painstakingly analyzed the evidence of JonBenét’s murder in connection with a contention that
Patsy killed JonBenét. In a March 31, 2003, order entered on a motion for summary judgment,
the Honorable Julie Carnes declared that “the weight of the evidence is more consistent with a
theory that an intruder murdered JonBenét[.]” Wolf Decision at 1363.
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99. Despite being fully aware of Judge Carnes’ order, Defendants ignored and did not
disclose the Wolf Decision during the Documentary.
100. On April 7, 2003, former Boulder DA Mary Kennan, n/k/a Mary Lacy, issued a
press release stating, in part, “I agree with [Judge Carnes’] conclusion that ‘the weight of the
evidence is more consistent with a theory that an intruder murdered JonBenét than it is with a
theory that Mrs. Ramsey did so.’” A copy of said press statement is attached hereto as Exhibit
“B”.
101. Despite being fully aware of the press release, Defendants ignored and did not
disclose DA Lacy’s April 2003 press release during the Documentary.
102. On July 9, 2008, former Boulder DA Lacy relied on newly discovered DNA
evidence to exonerate the Ramsey Family (including Burke) in an open letter released to the
public. DA Lacy declared that:
[N]ew scientific evidence convinces us that it is appropriate, given the
circumstances of this case, to state that we do not consider your immediate
family including you, your wife, Patsy, and your son, Burke, to be under
any suspicion in the commission of this crime.
. . .
The Bode Technology laboratory was able to develop a profile from DNA
recovered from the two sides of the long johns. The previously identified
profile from the crotch of the underwear worn by JonBenét at the time of
the murder matched the DNA recovered from the long johns at Bode.
Unexplained DNA on the victim of a crime is powerful evidence. The
match of male DNA on two separate items of clothing worn by the victim
at the time of the murder makes it clear to us that an unknown male handled these items."
Do you think Burke went out to the 7/11 and brought someone home to leave their DNA on his sister's body?
I lost my son and honestly tried to rip him from that gurney I was so passed at him , my husband on the otherhand talked calmly to his dead body telling him about when when he was born at that hospital and things like that , there's no correct way to grieve but don't call to book a flight outta state that's uncomprehendable .
I totally disagree! The hair on her neck stood up. I had that happen to me once when I saw the killer of someone I knew show up at the funeral and sit in front of me and I didnt even see his face. I was later told he was the guy ...I couldn't believe it!😮 When you know you know. John was obviously involved anyway.
Her pageant talent was dramatic speaking and reading. She was an actress of sorts. I find her unbelievable.
@@sewndebisdream6953 Forensic pathologist Cyril Wecht says John did it. The note is John's writing when he's not using cursive. See his sample.
It's also his language and knowledge in the note: His bonus amount, 'foreign faction' a star trek reference he was a fan, 'stray dogs' a phrase he was documented to use prior to the crime.
He was sa ing his daughter and accidentally killed her and needed to cover it up. He tied the knot that killed her as he was a trained knot specialist in the navy.
He wrote the note to try to trick Patsy into not calling police.He wrote about a 'long delivery of ransom money in a suitcase ' to make an excuse to dump her body using the suitcase
MY HEART GOES OUT TO THAT POOR LITTLE GIRL. THEY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO HER 😢 Why am I seeing magazines about her 30 years later??? Fucking sick. Let her rest. John should’ve dna tested then smh. A shame. Rest in peace Jonbenet.
I cringed when he said the phrase “withhold her body for burial!”
It’s not hard to imagine them writing the ransom note after you hear him saying it.
The whole family was supposed to meet in Michigan. They had a flight plan in place for Michigan. I welcome speculation, why go to Atlanta versus Michigan, were they upset and needing distraction and Atlanta is more distracting? Does Patsy have extended family in Atlanta? To me, occam's razor theory is BDI, the note makes no sense, Random intruder at a busy time like Christmas makes no sense, no one in the house heard anything but a neighbor heard her scream...?
Yes. Their family is based in Atlanta and that is where John’s oldest daughter was buried. That is where they wanted to bury Jonbenét too.
It may be more difficult to extradite from Georgia than Michigan because in Georgia the request must be signed by the governor. Maybe the Ramseys were thinking two steps ahead.
In the interview you hear John say Atlanta was their home. They lived there for 25 years before moving to Boulder. That’s where they were from. I still think it’s odd that they moved back there with the Stines.
@@pamelasmith6221but the question above was why did they cancel their plans to go to Michigan thay same day and instead redirect to Atlanta? Obviously being so far from CO does not help the investigation if they are not available for questioning. From the start, they are obstructing and investigation.
@TischTosh What about the cruise they were to go on after Christmas too?
No on should ever take a lie detector test, guilty or innocent.
I would never take a polygraph. First reason is they're not admissable in court. Second is that whether you pass or fail its merely an interrogation tool - so if you pass with flying colors you get - "well, you clearly showed deception and failed the polygraph miserably. Now come clean and make a deal with us while we can help you... Once we leave this room you ate on your own, and you are clearly lying.". Ad long as cops can legally lie, the ONLY answer to any question is," I assert my fifth ammendment right to remain silent,and i assert my right to an attorney." just repeat that ad nauseum - especially if you are innocent.
Nice to see someone in the comment section who pays attention.
Well your a very sensible man
They both took the polygraph . Patsy had to retake it because results were inconclusive, but she finally passed it.
@beverlyallison4768 after 3 attempts
@ she did not fail the first two attempts. It was just inconclusive. ….all subjective anyway .
Patty was ok with flying to another state, yet couldn't get out of bed to go to the police station?
Bingo!
She passed a polygraph so did John
She was heavily medicated, and took a private plane to go be with family. She was cleared and she did speak to police. Stop with this narrative
@@beverlyallison4768 She was also inconclusive on a polygraph. Why did it take three times to pass? Why did they not want to take an FBI polygraph?
@@uwpride Thank goodness for freedom of speech
Thanks, this is the exact question I've been asking!
Any innocent person that really wanted the perp caught would've jumped on the lie detector to throw off suspicion and get the spotlight off. Higher priority to bury evidence.
@jaredpeterson380 When you know that lie detectors are not even acceptable in a court of law why would you take one?
@vernonfrance2974 I think I covered that.
@@vernonfrance2974 well Steve Thomas was just asking him if he’d be willing to take one to see what he would say and John’s response wasn’t, “because they weren’t admissible or they weren’t reliable”, he said he told him no because “he was INSULTED.” It had nothing to do with court or a trial. His arrogance was showing. His daughter was violently assaulted and killed and he’s more worried about being offended than doing something that would show he’s not afraid to prove his innocence. Why would anyone be insulted when asked to take a lie detector test??
@pamelasmith6221 He wasn't worried about being offended at all. That was just an excuse to not take it.
@@vernonfrance2974to get the police looking in another direction
I understand not wanting to do a lie detector test, but refusing to come in and be interviewed and otherwise be cooperative? That’s weird.
I don't understand not taking a lie detector test they're not admissible in court and you should want to do everything in your power to clear your name so the police could find the real killer. No it wouldn't take you off the suspect list Gary Ridgway passed a lie detector test. You don't do anything at all to hinder the investigation that they did do in addition to inexperienced incompetent and plum stupid police. A kidnapping or attempted kidnapping was involved they should have called the state police and even asked the FBI to investigate. They're inexperienced here's the way it should go down the FBI should be investigating the attempted kidnapping, the state police should be investigating the murder and the Boulder police should be writing traffic tickets. The police were 50% responsible for the failure of this case allowing multiple people to trample through the crime scene and not even finding the victim after they searched the house. Then they allow a possible suspect to not only find the victim but destroy the crime scene. That being said I can't blame him for that any father would do the same thing to see if his daughter was still alive. The thing is the police should have found her in the original search and put tape around there as well as several people guarding it. Are they absolutely filled in this case and that's why it's still unsolved but the Ramses were 50% responsible to. John says to this very day I can't believe they hadn't found the killer well when you do everything you can to hinder the investigation what do you expect. You hindered the investigation from the extremely incompetent Police department.
no doubt the Ramsey's were involved, the real question is why? what exactly happened that night?
They still didn't say her name. All their answers seem evasive, and never said i was doing x, she was doing x, he was doing x. I understand they supposed were sleeping, but a break in, please!
Even the 911 call. "We have a kidnapping" Sounds like distancing language . Not "My little girl has been kidnapped "
There was no need to break in. There were many keys out and the house was huge with plenty of places to hide.
One male neighbor whose bathroom faces the Ramsey’s kitchen said at midnight, on the night of the murder, he looked out his window and saw something unusual that he’d NEVER seen at the Ramsey’s. He said someone had shut the shutters to the Ramsey kitchen ( usually they were wide open so anyone could see in), and he said someone had weird, low lights in the Butler pantry and kitchen area. He said, “it was like flashlight lights as if someone in there didn't want to wake anyone in the house up.” This was after midnight. We know they found a flashlight not belonging to the Ramsey’s so maybe the intruder was using that. I’ve often wondered if he maybe wore one of those caver hats where the lights is on the front of the beanie? Whomever was inside there at that time was trying to hide his presence. Why would a Ramsey that LIVES there hide being in their own home?! They wouldn’t.
Another saw something from another side of their home: 2) This neighbor said to BPD on 12/27/96 that they noticed the night of the murder something unusual for the Ramsey’s. They said “since the day the Ramsey’s moved in, they kept a bright security light on outside at night that pointed towards the back of the home, near the Butler pantry door, yet the night of the murder; for some reason, that bright light was not on.” It was on EVERY night for 5 years EXCEPT the night of the murder." www.reddit.com/r/JonBenet/comments/s06lvf/the_lights_the_neighbors_saw_and_didnt_see/
Forensic pathologist Cyril Wecht says John did it. The note is John's writing when he's not using cursive. See his sample.
It's also his language and knowledge in the note: His bonus amount, 'foreign faction' a star trek reference he was a fan, 'stray dogs' a phrase he was documented to use prior to the crime.
He was sa ing his daughter and accidentally killed her and needed to cover it up. He tied the knot that killed her as he was a trained knot specialist in the navy.
He wrote the note to try to trick Patsy into not calling police.He wrote about a 'long delivery of ransom money in a suitcase ' to make an excuse to dump her body using the suitcase
@@vernonfrance2974
What the neighbor saw was the Ramseys covering up the killing of their daughter by their son and possibly his friend. They had to close the shutters to keep anyone from seeing what they did
John’s response to the death of his child isn’t a flag for me. When my mom died my sister was angry that I didn’t seem upset. Twelve years later I’m still in therapy and dealing with it. I kept up the appearance for my kids (5 yo) and my nieces and nephews (6,4,3 yo). They needed someone who would keep them corralled and entertained. It doesn’t mean I wasn’t heartbroken.
Yes but with John it’s so much more than this one moment/response. It’s everything he’s said and done so far. He’s never shown any emotion. He’s been smug and smirky when discussing the case. He denies, deflects. His housekeeper said John showed no affection to Patsy. He worked and left everything else for Patsy to do. He hated noise. It sounded like their marriage wasn’t the greatest.
I hear from parents that there is nothing like the death of a child. I've seen reactions from parents who have lost a child and they are visibly devastated no matter how long it's been. Maybe John only mourns in private but I haven't seen any sadness.
Have you ever analyzed that Linda Arndt interview? That would be interesting. She is so emotive.
I completely believe her notations of the day. I believe her opinion also. She was very honest about what was noted in that home. She knows what happened. They left her without proper help. I commend her work and efforts.
Yes, Linda Arndt did feel John was a dangerous individual and she was right. At the time of JB's murder and for many years he felt he wanted to torture to death her killer if he got the chance. Arndt realized she had been wrong! "There's no way to undo the wrong that was done (to the Ramsey family). But (it was) just to acknowledge what you could or couldn't do, and apologize for any error on my part and to offer myself in any way that was helpful to her."
"I'm able to confirm a lot of things that Patsy was maintaining for 10 years," Arndt said.
"I think our expectation of the justice system is that you clear 'em or you don't, but you don't leave people hanging in the wind this long - at least, that's my interpretation," Arndt said. "She said 90 percent of the case details have not been disclosed accurately."
Full Text LINDA ARNDT:
www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/threads/linda-arndt-speaks-with-forked-tongue.6954/
All I can say this is one crazy family!’
I believe the female cop. Men will never have women intuition or understand that feeling. Blows my mind every time i hear a guy say otherwise.
@noelswo549 I'm calling bullshit on your statement. Men can have intuitions that are spot on too. Twice I have told women that they were pregnant.
One was a co-worker who literally found out 45 minutes before I made my comment. She hadn't even had time to tell the baby's father he was going to be a dad.
The other was my best friend's wife. She got the doctor's confirmation 8 days later.
In neither case did I have anything to do with the woman's delicate state. I somehow just knew.
Don't get me started on the other end of the situstion, i.e. people passing away.
I swear I'm not psychic. But intuition definitely is not limited to women only.
The police lady was there for the call from the ransom note. And she stated that nobody was expecting the call, nobody mention that the time for the call passed and nobody was worried. So she has point after having time to observe them for a while. And then she suggested another search and the body was found.
John Ramsey wasn't just looking at his child on the floor being told she is dead, he "found" her in his basement and carried her upstairs first....
Pat Brown hits the nail on the head too with pure common sense.
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That baby was killed in that house and they got away with it all these years and continues to make money from her death. Nobody is going to sit in that house and write a 3pg ransom note after they done killed her. It's obvious why they refusing the test. The same reason they wouldn't let baby girls body be exhumed
I read a report that the "ransom note" was written on a paper pad found in the house with a pen found in the house that both were put back after the note was written. Also, the note would have taken at least 30 mins to write since detectives copying it to see how long it would have taken took at least 20 mins to just copy
The neighbor heard a scream coming from that house at around midnight. I always thought it was Patsy after she found out what Burke did. If it was loud enough for the neighbor to hear it would have been loud enough for them to hear if an intruder was in that house and she was screaming
@@Drummerchef13 The note was written ahead of time and simply copied on Patsy's pad using her pen. Linda Pugh's house was investigated on the same day as the crime. "In the fourteen month period that I worked for the Ramseys, I was left several dozen handwritten notes by Patsy Ramsey. I am quite familiar with her handwriting, and I believe I can recognize it with very little difficulty.
"By way of example, Patsy made her letter "a"s very distinctively, and she would use accents over words like JonBenet and attaché, and often used initialing of words in combination, to name just a few of her many unique handwriting characteristics." Police found the same brand of duct-tape, put on JonBenet's mouth in the Pughs' home. Cops Fred Patterson, Greg Idler: 3 Rolls Blk Tape, White Lined Note Pad that Came from Ramsey's house, 3 Felt Tip Pens, 2' narrow rope, A rope around a stick." www.acandyrose.com/s-linda-hoffmann-pugh.htmwww.nzherald.co.nz/world/santa-and-the-housekeeper-the-forgotten-jonbenet-suspects/PCSFGKOAUKQDKJ3OKUJ2MLXL2
Forensic document examiner Lloyd Cunningham cannot eliminate plaintiff (Wolf) as the author of the Ransom Note. (SMF ¶ 279; PSMF ¶ 279.) Plaintiff's ex-girlfriend has also testified she believes that he is the note's author. (J. Brungardt Aff. ¶ 43.) Carnes Report
Yes the letter immediately doesn’t make an intruder make sense. It’s so sickening.
Yes it is sickening. There was apparently clear signs of sibling abuse in that home and the parents are culpable. I'll go to my grave saying the brother did it
Why they not take polygraph and the police should seal the house immediately. They fail by not doing what they supposed to do.
3:22 John Ramsey was asked to STAY on Dec. 26th. John Ramsey is lying.
Coild you go over Nichole Kessinger? Her interview with police still bothers me and left many unanswered questions that police never followed up because Chris Watts confessed.
they are united in their efforts to cover up BURKE k+lling her
NOT TRUE! . On January 8, 1997, Burke was interviewed with his parents’ consent and outside of their presence by a psychologist, Dr. Suzanne Bernhard, who concluded in writing on her report to the Boulder PD that it was clear to her that Burke did not witness the murder of his sister.
84. On June 10, 11and 12 of 1998, Burke was interviewed with his parents’ consent and outside of their presence by Boulder PD Detective Dan Schuler.
85. As part of the investigation, a grand jury was impaneled in September of 1998
and dismissed in the fall of 1999. Page 13 of 108
86. The Boulder PD and the Boulder DA publicly exonerated Burke before, during,
and after the grand jury investigation.
87. In early 1998, former Boulder PD Chief Mark Beckner stated during a news
conference that Burke was not involved in the killing of JonBenét, was not a suspect in JonBenét’s murder, and was not being looked at as a suspect.
88. Despite being fully aware of his comments, Defendants ignored and did not
disclose Chief Beckner’s 1998 comments during the Documentary.
89. In May of 1999, former Boulder DA Alex Hunter issued a press statement that
publicly and officially stated that Burke was not a suspect in connection with the murder of his sister. It said, in part:
[A]lmost a year ago [Boulder] Police Chief Mark Beckner stated during a news
conference that Burke was not a suspect and that we are not looking at him as a
possible suspect. To this day Burke Ramsey is not a suspect.
90. Former Boulder DA Hunter’s May 1999 exoneration occurred approximately
eight months after he convened a grand jury and approximately five months before the grand jury investigation concluded.
91. Despite being fully aware of the press release, Defendants ignored and did not disclose DA Hunter’s May 1999 statements during the Documentary.
92. The Boulder DA hired Michael Kane, Esq. (“Kane”), a prosecutor from
Pennsylvania, as a Special Prosecutor to oversee the grand jury investigation.
93. On or about December 12, 1999, Kane publicly acknowledged in a statement to, and published by, the Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, Sunday Patriot News that there was no evidence developed in the investigation that supported an accusation that Burke killed JonBenét: One of the more horrendous mistakes by the media, Kane said, was the story by a supermarket tabloid, The Star, that branded Burke as the killer. Earlier this Page 14 of 108 month, the Ramseys filed a $25 million libel suit against the paper. Kane recalled that when the story first came out last May, it troubled the prosecution. And when the story began getting picked up by other newspapers, they knew they had to do something.
“Alex Hunter and I decided there was no basis for that speculation and no
evidence to support it, and we issued a press release to put it to rest,” Kane said,
“I think it’s horrible that a 12-year-old kid would have a finger pointed at him
with no evidence to support it and have to see his picture on the cover of
tabloids every time he’s in a supermarket saying that he killed his sister.”
(Emphasis added).
94. Kane’s December 1999 statements occurred approximately two months after the grand jury investigation concluded. 95. Despite being fully aware of his comments, Defendants ignored and did not disclose Kane’s December 1999 comments during the Documentary. 96. In a sworn affidavit dated October 12, 2000, former Boulder DA Alex Hunter reaffirmed under oath that Burke had never been a suspect in the investigation into his sister’s
murder. A copy of said affidavit is attached hereto as Exhibit “A”. The affidavit stated, in part: From December 26, 1996, to the date of this affidavit, no evidence has ever been developed in the investigation to justify elevating Burke Ramsey’s status from that of witness to suspect.
97. Despite being fully aware of his affidavit, Defendants ignored and did not
disclose DA Hunter’s October 2000 affidavit during the Documentary.
98. In 2003, the United States District Court for the Northern District of Georgia
painstakingly analyzed the evidence of JonBenét’s murder in connection with a contention that Patsy killed JonBenét. In a March 31, 2003, order entered on a motion for summary judgment, the Honorable Julie Carnes declared that “the weight of the evidence is more consistent with a theory that an intruder murdered JonBenét[.]” Wolf Decision at 1363. Page 15 of 108
99. Despite being fully aware of Judge Carnes’ order, Defendants ignored and did not disclose the Wolf Decision during the Documentary.
100. On April 7, 2003, former Boulder DA Mary Kennan, n/k/a Mary Lacy, issued a
press release stating, in part, “I agree with [Judge Carnes’] conclusion that ‘the weight of the evidence is more consistent with a theory that an intruder murdered JonBenét than it is with a theory that Mrs. Ramsey did so.’” A copy of said press statement is attached hereto as Exhibit “B”.
101. Despite being fully aware of the press release, Defendants ignored and did not disclose DA Lacy’s April 2003 press release during the Documentary.
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Netflix got some things wrong in their documentary, but Im sure that doesn't surprise anyone. . I encourage anyone interested in this case to do some research and they will find all the errors with the documentary ^^
Can’t ever trust any of these documentaries. They all have personal bias. Just like making a murderer ect
@@Roguestatus33usually I agree. But the documentary was done by a really reputable and respected group. They did the “Paradise Lost” ones too which helped the West Memphis 3.
@@mamamcfreeman105Paradise Lost is really well done
Oh, I refuse to even watch it. When I heard it was coming out I knew right away it would be a joke. Then when I heard about it afterwards my feelings were confirmed. People new to this case are being misinformed but I believe that’s what John Ramsey wants. Those of us who followed this when it happened know the real story.
@@pamelasmith6221I’ve been following this from day 1. The parents were not involved.
I'll add: when patsy says 'I would' to the polygraph, she clearly shakes her head NO. ❤
I can’t stand watching them lie like this. It makes me crazy.
I get so anxious. No way wld I take a polygraph, even if it involved the neighbor’s dog not being fed by their uncle’s girlfriend’s cat
Their wealth and connection to the Boulder DA protected them. If it had been anyone else, they would not have been allowed to postpone their police interview until April.
FBI or Federal agents should have immediately jumped on this, not Boulder cops who were one-sided, inexperienced, or clueless in which direction to go. 🤔
We have to look more into the Stein family. Their's something weird going on. Not invited on the first day, but Ramsey's stayed with them for some timed and later even moved to the same place (Atlanta) where the Ramsey's moved too.
Were they possibly involved?
What ages are the Stein children? It was now the day after Christmas. Did either parent have to work?
Susan gave conflicting answers as to what the children were doing when the Ramseys stopped by. Susan also pretended to be law enforcement in emails and got caught but never charged. Both families were very protective over Burke and Doug.
Doug and Burke were basically best friends…
WHY hasn't more been made of the fact that THE KIDNAPPERS NEVER CALLED ?? Every time these parents open their mouths, their story changes, Daddy carries JB to bed shes asleep, then he changes that, he reads JB a story before he puts JB to bed? Blah, Blah, Blah!!
Its interesting Patsy brings up being frightened about a murderer being loose when Burke when interviewed said he had no fear of that?... You woulf think Burke would have some fear of an intruder.
@christinagockel4823 Sounds like he knew it was an accident and no intruders were there.
He knows the truth. Whether he was part of it or just there when it happened. Patsy never made sense when she spoke. She also dramatically made the statement about keeping your babies close to you, there’s a killer out there. Yet the day JBR was found they sent him to a friends house. Please make it make sense!!!!
I’m a parent and I would never take a lie detector, they’re not accurate and knowing that I would fear it would be a red herring for the investigation
The first few seconds took me out ! “Oh my gaaah”😂
That's absolutely nuts ! well they banned us from the house so i called to get a flight to another state .
The more you know about the polygraph, the more you wonder why they are allowed to use them at all.
But what about the GARROTE that was used to strangle her?? It is a plausible scenario that Burke could have hit JonBenet over the head with a flashlight if he discovered that she had eaten his pineapple, and that the parents covered it up and Patsy wrote the ransom note, but the garrote just doesn't fit in there for me. I don't believe that 9 yo Burke could have made a garrote out of Patsy's paintbrush on his own accord, so that would mean that John was the one to do it and then strangled his child (don't think Patsy could bring herself to strangle her). Why would he go through the effort of making a garrote to finish her off? Why not just let her bleed out or hit her again with the flashlight? Or cover her nose and mouth with his hands or a pillow? The garrote points toward an intruder imo... but this case is just nuts all around. The police did a terrible job.
Burke was taking sailing lessons and I believe he was also a Boy Scout which he could have learned from either how to make a garrote (for first aid purposes).
And to be fair, I learned how to make one in 1995 when I was 7 from a kids movie about a dog. The dog saved a farmer by pulling on a garrote after an accident.
According to the autopsy report, she had to be awake when the garrote was around her neck, due to her fingernail scratches on her neck around the garrote. The hitting of her head produced only a small amount of blood and no swelling of the brain. So that skull fractured happened while she was being choked to death. Also if Burke was that crazy then, he would have done more as he got older. That kind of crazy doesn't go away, it only gets worse. No 9 year old is going to be able to be questioned by the police and not confess. Even grown people have confessed to crimes they didn't commit when questioned by the police.
I still think Burke had something to do with this. and the family covered it up with a botched kidnapping. this family has only done things to increase suspicion on them.
1996 was a very different time media-wise and publicity-wise. There wasn't as widespread of knowledge that crimes are usually committed by the family. Cop shows weren't nearly as popular as they are now, nor were they as popular as they would be in a few years.
Additionally, only two of the detectives had hunches and they had differing hunches. They led in two different directions. I don't know that there's convincing evidence any way at this point.
Also more CCTV and door cams now.
@satarkun That is not true. Since Roman times investigators went by the guide "cui bono." Who benefits? That is what usually points to the perp. The Ramsey's did not benefit at all from the death of their beautiful daughter but the perps wanted the ransom money and the contents of the safe that was in the same room as JB's body> To get the safe open they needed John to come down to open it. That is one of the reasons they made the ransom demand so low.
Furthermore, there has never been a report of any child killed by their parents using a garotte.
@@vernonfrance2974the Ramsey have financial benefits, and rhey may not have benefitted from JB dying but they might have stood to benefit protecting their image and their son. This outcome is probably better for them versus if it were to have been Burke or however. Their behavior, the confusion and lack of clarity, benefits them.
Use the appropriate term: stress detector. Psychopaths lie all the time.
Though he does not show emotion you cannot tell me a father who has lost a child is not heartbroken!
19:49 patsy shook head head “NO” as she said yes I would take a lie detector test
your conclusion is correct i believe
With all of the Ramseys wealth and connections, I am shocked more wasn't done to solve this case back then.
I wouldn't either. They're a known scam, and can only serve to provide evidence of guilt, even when innocent.
They did do a polygraph.
Ed Gelb stated their were no signs of deception.
Yeah, a private one, they didn't want the FBI involved in this, another stange thing is that Patsy and John didn't want to be interrogated separately, and they didn't want Burk to be interrogated.
Polygraphs are pseudoscience and don’t prove anything unfortunately
@@NauticalStrings Not wanting Burke interrogated seems normal to me. He was just a child, I would be scared as a parent what they would do with my child in my absence. I've seen too many police interrogations to know how effed they can be
@@NauticalStrings Burke was interrogated numerous times including on the first day. No one who did so thought he had anything to do with his sister's tragic fate.
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Wrong. The grand jury voted to indict based on neglecting to protect her from Burke
Do some research
Agreed! The two part series on Amazon Prime: The Case of Jon Benet Ramsey has tons of evidence❗️❗️
I agree I think Burke had something to do with this and parents covered it up to protect him.
I’m genuinely mortified just imagining what could’ve possibly happened and that we’ll never know. We can’t know what that baby girl experienced in her last hours alive. I wish we knew her truth ❤ rest in peace
Families that have many homes have a ‘home base’ home. My grandparents had their family ‘home base’ home in Ohio, their vacation home in Michigan and vacation home in Florida. Home base was preferable.
Patsy Ramsey had never considered Boulder, Colorado their ‘home base’ home so she wanted to be near her family when they were told they had to stay out and couldn’t go back. When you have children, the idea of living out of a hotel room for an extended period of time, especially in such tragic circumstances is destabilizing. Plus, setting the family up to be extremely vulnerable and dangerously close and open to the public instead of an actual home that can be secured on the property lines and control who is allowed on the property and who’s allowed to come to the doors. At the hotel you can’t stop the public or anyone from parking near you, walking in with you, renting the room next to yours etc etc etc …. I mean seriously…. Your own property in another state is way more logical and safe. Just saying ✌️
I studied this case a bit for a class in high school, and I don't believe they are guilty (though I think John knows more than he lets on, whether it's just a theory or more) but I'll never get over how strangely they behaved. I think a lot of their strange behavior came from a place of privilege and feeling superior, but I can't imagine losing my child and not fully cooperating with the investigation, even if I didn't trust the cops that much. I'm not a parent, but I think if my daughter was gone, I'd do absolutely anything to find out what happened. I accept that Patsy was ill and often sedated, and I never really thought she was involved in any way regardless, and I think it's possible that John and Burke are both neurodivergent which can often lead to behavior that is not what is maybe "expected," but I'm neurodivergent as well, and I'll never understand the way they acted.
I used to be very suspicious of Burke & John, but between looking into Lou Smit's research, and reading about local predators who were obsessed with JonBenet, including one who confessed to killing her, I couldn't help but believe there was in fact a break-in.
Burke admittedly behaved very strangely and alarmingly but he also behaved like an abused child or a child who is deeply upset or hurt but never learned how to deal with it and/or didn't feel they could speak up about things, and I can certainly believe those things.
For the record, I do believe the investigation was botched terribly, and in fact, the class I took focused heavily on cases in which the investigation was greatly mishandled by the authorities. I don't have any doubt that the police were wrong in the way they handled things, but I just also can't understand the Ramseys' behavior either.
the last thing he said is true about the parents doing it so should have been his response to cooperate so they could move on to other suspects
They are trying to make us believe that he went to the plane during his daughter missing to put presents in the plane?!?! Are we that far removed from wealth that we would
Believe this!
Dude, where do you get those cool shirts from?
It may just be that the Ramsey`s did not think logically about being looked at. That is a quite natural reaction, but they are likely projecting.
John is tryna make sure that Burke can't be charged after he transitions, but unfortunately I'm not buying any other theory other than a Ramsey family member being invoved. The autopsy stated that the poor girl had been touched for some time long before her demise, so why isn't he trying to figure that out too?😢
I stand by the Ramsey’s thinking Burke did this, so they plotted a story, and wrote a ransom note. Only to realize he didn’t and there is in fact another suspect.
JR's excuse for not doing an interview at BPD was that it would be easier on John and Patsy if the interview was conducted in Atlanta. Funny, it would have been really easy on them if they had just stayed in Boulder or if they had deigned to sit for formal interviews before they left.
One of my close friends is a lawyer, and I guarantee you any lawyer would recommend getting one in this situation knowing they will look at the family first…. Lawyers think differently than laypeople. I will add that I have no doubt that someone from this class would be strongly urged to retain counsel immediately…
Since when is it optional to be interrogated by police in a murder case?
Since always. You do not have to talk to the Police.
@Thirdgen83 If you are a suspect in a murder case, you do.
@@EyeofSekhmet 100% WRONG!
Patsy took a polygraph test and she passed and the DNA proves nobody in that house. Did it stop with these damn full stories try to find out who the DNA matches.
JOHN, I hope you read this! You are the Father and head of your home! YOU did not make sure your daughter was safe and secure in your own home! You, Patsy or Burke did this! And you are determined to take the truth to your grave. You being the Father of this family did not protect JonBenet in her own home where she should have been safe and secure. With all the "falls" she so called had resulting in bruses on her nose and face over the short years, Abuse was evedent to all! You are responceable for her death buy first hand OR not keepong her safe. YOU need to rot in Prision. #JohnRamsey Boulder PD you need to arrest this SOB already!
The idea of Burke Ramsey lashing out and accidentally killing his sister doesn't fit with the evidence in the autopsy. The medical examiner noted the presence of petechial hemorrhages in her eyes and heart, which is conclusive proof that she was alive when strangled, and it was around the time she received the head wound. Also, the garrote found near her body was forensically confirmed to be the one that was used on her. That means that this was intentional murder, not accidental. Until you can figure out how that would factor in with Burke Ramsey killing her, that theory is not at all feasible.
This video should have more likes
9:59
~Catch me if you can ~Carl Hanratty: He's a kid. Our unsub is a kid. That's why we couldn't match his prints. That's why he doesn’t have a record
Everyone says shut ur mouth and get a lawyer yet give them crap for it..we can see how it pressures you to talk esp if ur innocent
We all know how JonBenet died and who did it. Money buys anything. Shows how sick that family really is to live with it everyday.
Can you do Allison Holker next please ? She just did an interview with People, and folks are confused on if she’s being genuine, or suspect, some even accusing her of changing her story multiple times already
I would be enlightening to see ALL the evidence and interviews presented to the grand jury.
I disagree that if they were indecent you should be honest, which will magically make you free.... they knew what they were like and acted to protect themselves
The pineapple in her system, Burk’s reaction when he was showed the picture of Pineapple, his favorite snack… his behavioral issues, the long ransom note. I believe it was the brother. And the dad is covering up for him and the mom is going along with it. The dad isn’t too emotional but due to his nature and experience I see why he’s that way. The mother seems to be the most affected emotionally, thrown off by the whole situation but decided to go along with covering it up to protect her son. The son just gets to get away with it. Sad. He’d be a free man anyway if they just told the truth from the beginning.
😂😂😂😂 So glad you're not a detective
@ me too 🤷🏽♀️