1988 Lancia Thema 2.0 ie goes for a drive
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- Опубликовано: 4 сен 2024
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Lovely review. My grandfather owns a 2.0L 8V i.e. turbo model which he purchased brand new in 1987. Its spent all its life dry stored in its garage, with only 14k original miles on the odometer. It still has its interior covered in delivery plastic. I've been helping him get it back on the road over the summer, and I must say that I have really fallen in love with the Thema more than ever. I never had an idea of what a great car its been. Therefore, I can't wait to get a ride in it again.
Loved the Thema. One of the best looking cars of the 1980s
@Farina Marcini Whatever man, the 80s was a great era for cars. With the W124, W126, W201, Lancia 036, VW Golf MK2, Audi Quattro, All of Group C, Ford Sierra Cosworth, Subaru Brat, Everything else from Group B, Saab 900, Buick Grand National, Ferrari Testarossa, Ferrari GTO, and so on. Those are just off the top of my head and there is so much more
Farina Marcini
They are 70’s cars. Montego, maestros and Metros now they were English 80’s shit boxes.
@Farina Marcini that was the 70s mate. and all those cars were less dull than this.
along with
@@billybellend1155 almost as good as itialian rust buckets
Fiat letting Lancia die out is an absolute shame
Lets Hope Stellantis will bring them back and not just let them sell rebadged ugly Fiat 500.
Stellantis have revived Lancia, and Fiat as well as Peugeot Citroen Vauxhall/Opel and Chevrolet.
It's wierd because Lancia still has brand cache and would sell much better than fiat in the c segment upwards
The answer is, they readily rusted to nothing, being made from poor quality steel and the number of claims towards the manufacturer against rust was so many the manufacturer couldn't remedy this easily or put it right.
That impression literally crushed Lancia with sales drying up and themselves admitting defeat and pulling out of the UK market,
The Fiat Chrysler Automobiles partnership (pre-Stellantis era), merely badged some Chrysler cars as Lancias (Italian market only), especially the Delta and Ypsilon, as they were frightened that impression left behind might hamper sales.
unfortunately is impossible, even Fiat is not Italian anymore, Lancia too.
All French...
it's so damn sad, we need to get back our car and motorcycle companies@@Dreadnoughty
Had a 1989 Thema Turbo SW with an Alcantara interior and cherry wood inserts on the dash. Drove it till June 2000 and put 255k kms on it. Miss it a lot!!
The inserts are African Rose Wood.
In 2016 I buy a Thema SW 2.5 TDS '94 with over 397.000 km!
In a few a months I drove this car for other 40.000 km
Today my Thema it is in the hand of a friend which brought it to 485000.
My friend is is a collector of Delta Integrale (4 !!!)and other Lancia ( Prisma integrale,Dedra Turbo,Beta Coupè, Fulvia Coupè,Thema VIS, Delta HF turbo 1600, Delta 1500 LX, Alfa Romeo Giulietta '85)and has put the tow hook on Thema and uses it to tow 037, Delta S4 etc etc
This is my ex-Thema:
ruclips.net/video/B8csPurK60Y/видео.html
And in my channel you can see others Lancia and others original cars....
My first AND second car were both Lancia Thema's. I had the 2.8l V6 and the 2.0 i.e. Turbo. Both of them looked like a regular family car and blasted past every fast and the furious-style cars in my town when they tried to race me. What an absolute gem of a car. So much soul, comfort and genius design!
I loved the Thema, but my dad got a Croma i.e., same car but cheaper and a bit more built on a budget. Croma i.e. was nevertheless a fantastic family car, spacious, comfortable and reliable. We kept it 8 years and did 230K km with it. The engine was exactly the same, except the Croma had allegedly a more sophisticated electronic fuel injection system (integrated with the ignition)...Whatever, first car in the family with automatic air conditioning, trips and journeys were a bliss. Sweet memories.
I had 3x Alfa 164 V6, 3x Themas(all 16v Turbo) and just one Croma Turbo. Kept the Croma longer than all of the others put together.
Timing belts snapped or it did the bottom end on all of the Themas.
Both 164 Lussos leaked oil and my Cloverleaf model was full of electrical faults. But never had a single issue with the Croma and it was the oldest of the bunch when I owned it.
The Fiat was far and away the best of the lot. It didn't appeal to the badge hunting snobs who lusted over Lancia and Alfa logos but my Croma Turbo cost me £350 and was superb. Pity it was hardly mentioned in this video about the Type4 models.
My Thema : over 400.000 km:
ruclips.net/video/B8csPurK60Y/видео.html
Thanks for the video! I had an '89 turbo version of this car, same colour, dark blue Alcantara interior. I got a speeding ticket for driving 162km/h on a back road. It was the car's fault. Great car
Beautiful car. That's the basic model, the higher trim level had lovely alcantara on the seats and doors as well as rosewood laminate on the dashboard.
The 164 was undoubtedly the best looking of the four. But I love how understated the Thema is. It was seriously rare in the UK, so it had a lovely individualistic character as a result. Like a lot of these cars, I wish I'd got one years ago. Too late now, alas!
Saab really did well with that platform, they made that car look amazing
That's an attractive colour car, a nice alternative to silver for people who want a lighter colour. Its a shame modern cars don't offer it now.
Audi's premium colour range. 4 more shades of grey. This one is beautiful would go really well with cream or tan leather too.
It's very similar to Mercedes' Diamond Silver Metallic!
First saw one of these in the local fiat dealership years ago and it was the md's car
Seemed so posh then. It was in a different league. Not a bmw/Merc but just as good without the snob value. Most people didn't understand how good these are.
I drive one of these (a 1994 2.0 16v VIS) as my daily car. Just did a 420 mile roundtrip to Oban and it lives outside all year round. Hard as Nails and strong as they come. Pity that you had to test drive a base model without all the bells and whistles of the higher spec cars. Would be happy to let you review mine if you ever make it up to Scotland.
That's a late first Series Thema. There were still several for sale in 1989 when the Series 2 was launched in the UK. Very underrated cars, I've had a few in the 90s and early 2000s.
My father had been given one (facelift) as a gift by my grandfather in the mid 90s, probably the first car I've been into, it was so confortable that I remember it even if I only was a toddler ahah
Thanks for making those memories come back, these cars are so rare by now, it has been ages I did not see any on the road !
Anyone else here thinking '80s cars were much more interesting and characterful?
Anyone else here feeling totally deflated by today's plastic SUV diesel shitters???
Sad era we live in...
Yes Me
Cars back in the day felt like you were really getting something
Sure, but we felt the same in the 80s about the 70s/60s....every bit of chrome and wood suddenly turned into plastic, every curve turned into an angle. That said, I cant wait to buy a Thema, beats anything today :) Couldnt get me in a diesel SUV if it meant I had to hop my way home.
They were simply more intimate to use. Even simpler cars were more fun. I learned driving Renault 12s and Skoda 120s, and that stupid Skoda was fun to trash at low speeds, with incredibly bad handling characteristics. Poor braking capabilities of common garden variety cards made you learn how to manage your energy, and poor power made you a forward planner whilst driving. Modern cars hardly have any feeling left after all of the gadgets.
Or I'm getting middle aged now.
@@pannonianbrute I HATE SUVs too. So much bigger, heavier, thirstier, slower, worse handling and more expensive than a conventional family saloon or estate, yet no bigger inside and usually as ugly as sin too. I can't actually think of a single reason why they should exist.
My only explanation is that the people who drive them must get some perverse egotistical thrill from being in something bigger an heavier than they really need, or be under some sort of delusion that other people are impressed by them. Awful, just awful.
When you mentioned the beautiful seats, I remember my now deceased friend. He bought a Fiat 2000 Racing in the eighties. A two-door version of Fiat 131, with 118 hp. He bought it, becouse it had such beautiful seats.
That's a handsome looking car! What great condition it's in
i drive my lancia thema 1984 2,5 turbo diesel every day
Italians really knew how to make great diesel engines back in the day.
Yes
Legend!
Our 1979 Morris marina 1.3 L had an illuminated glovebox and it was lockable!
Wow, that is now my fact of the day! I had no idea
My 1983 Ford Capri had a light in the glovebox too . ;)
My dads poverty spec 1987 Lada Riva 1200L also had a light in the glovebox. It wasn't a full poverty spec car though as it did have adjustable seats, a remote mirror and a light in the boot.
@@r4mbo67 Do you mean that you kept a torch in there?!
I guess the door lock was supposed to look awkward when open -it was obviously designed to lock yourself in when setting off.
So it would catch your eye and you were never in doubt whether you were "safe" or not when driving around. (We are talking about an italian executive car, predominantely designed for specific market needs after all.)
I had the Saab 9000 2.0 ltr Turbo, think it was 175bhp…she was perky, but wallowed in the same manner you describe here. Loved the video…thank you😃👍
I love the Saab 9000/Lancia Thema cars. As a kid, I admired the Saab and had a poster from an old motoristic journal with the Lancia. In 2019, I got myself a 2000 Lybra and it has the same "tweed" upholstery as this Thema and I'm so glad it is like so. The car was owned by elderly german people (born in the 1940's) and they barely did 60 000 miles on it (94 xxx km when I bought it). It looks like new and the seats are the definition of comfort seating. A former co worker had the Lybra with the alcantara leather and that was shot to pieces. I have mine with the 1.8 petrol and it makes the same interesting noise, it is a great engine. And while most of the people complain about unreliable Italian cars, well, this one is really reliable, only both front electric window winding mechanisms failed one a year after the other, because of plastic pieces broke as they were 20 years old. But it was surprisingly cheap to buy and quite easy to replace. I did a long journey in it from Central Europe to the Black Sea(Burgas and Varna in Bulgaria) and after the 17 hour drive I was as fresh as if I just woke up after sleeping on a comfortable bed. It's so sad that today Lancia is almost dead, they used to be very advanced back in their day. I mean in the time when range Rover wanted two Fiestas worth of money from you to get a one line satnav system in the radio display, the Lybra had a full size coloured LCD display as a big info centre, radio controls and a trip computes as standard.
What a cracking looking Thema.
I remember when this car came up for sale a few years ago with the service manager story as part of the advertisment.
Unlike my fellow countryman, I don't pity the reviewer testing a lesser model. I doubt there's a nicer example anywhere.
That’s a series 1 Thema (facelif zero). Series 2 can be easily identified by the dark indicators at the bottom of the headlights (making the main headlights rectangular in shape as opposed to the squared ones you’ve got there) and by the chunkier chrome grille. Series 3 had the same headlights as 2, with narrower foglights in the corner of the front bumpers.
A lovely example. I drove one of the 16v ones back in the day. It was really fast and handled so well. Great vid.
Love the channel and your selection of somewhat forgotten but still iconic cars
This car is a lot better than the compact hatchbacks we see today.
Lovely condition. I always had a thing for the Thema and of course I was mesmerised as a teen by the 8.32.
These are no ordinary cupholders in the glovebox, they are originale italiano espresso holders. ☕😄
What a lovely car, I had forgotten about the Thema. Also a very rare sight for me, growing up in the Netherlands. It's a shame, it seems like the car should have deserved to sell a lot better, seems like a thoroughly modern and competent car for its time.
Great car and very good test... One little thing, the Thema Mk1 (1984-1888) comes also with the 2.0 ie Turbo 8v version (166 hp) and the 2.8 V6 (150 hp). The 16v (and the Turbo 16v) comes only in 1988 with the mk2 and mk3
This is the last of the mk1 cars, then the mk2 came out with the 16v engine and in 92 the last series which was the LE and LS with the chunkier bumpers, the best of the lot!
Ive owned soo many and was obsessed with these cars, actually owning 3 at one time (at the same time) lol
all 8v turbo and 16v turbos they can be chipped and they are very fast cars having the same engine as the integrale!
In my opinion one of the best saloons of the 90s, lovely alcantara interiors and very spacious and comfortable cars, hard to find now!
Good pick! Absolutely LOVELY car. Soooo elegant and classy. I got the privilege to drive a very rare V6 automatic. A real flying carpet. Very good video BTW!
please drive the Lancia Delta (836) HPE 2.0 turbo
I really really want to
Very nice review. Brings back some good old memories. Did you know why the boot release switch is hidden in the glove compartment? It actually makes sense if you know the car came with a special " valet parking" key that lets you open doors and start the car up but
.. won't allow for the boot nor the glove compartment to open😮
You never know what the owner is hiding in there😅
Had the pleasure of driving my friends1990 Thema 16V Turbo in navy blue with buff color alcantara interior - fabulous handling and powerful vehicle.
Oh my goodness me! Every time you pick up one of these Type 4 cars, I seem to really want one. This very gentlemanly Lancia seems even more appropriate than ever! Love the almost useless Econometer, straight out a Fiat Uno...
My goal for the year is to drive all 4
@@furiousdriving, that sounds wonderful! The Alfa 164 looks to be relatively easy, the Croma is probably the tough one to find, isn't it?
I drive a black one series 3. My front seats were worn, so I was very happy to get fancy green Alcantara seats good as new short time ago. Magnificent drive!
Love it dude. I've had my beady eye on this car since I saw it for sale, love the classy shape and colour.
I find it so interesting how the Croma, the Thema, and the 9000 all look so similar but the 164 doesn't even look related to them.
I sometimes wish I had bought this car. So beautifully cared for.
Blimey not seen one of those for a while! Good road test .Thanks 👍
Had one as a run about where I used to work. Was a 16v. Lovely car. So underrated and under sold. They sold it and the guy wrote it off within a week. Was sad. I knew I should have brought it.
Great review of a lovely car indeed. Nice to see such a great example and how much you seem to like it.
You have been corrected about the various engine options and facelifts already. This Thema is actually as basic as they get! Imagine how much you would have enjoyed an 8v turbo or a later V6!
I have owned four series 1 8v turbo's and currently own a s2 16v turbo. A quite unique dark red one with tan leather, great car!
Looking forward to your 164 and Croma items. I have owned an 89 164 twin spark in a beautiful red and grey two tone exterior and black leather interior which apparently was the company car of the CEO of Alfa Romeo NL. Currenly own a 93 164 V6 24v Super. Had an 8v 2 liter Croma as well, but that was a work horse. Which it was very good at. ;D
When you say that was a good 25 years ago damn I feel old remember them as new
The Thema is my favourite of the type 4 cars, such a nice car in its day
I have had numerous Saab 9000's and did briefly own a Fiat Croma about 10 years ago. Same year, same colour and same spec as this Thema.
It wasn't a patch when compared to the Saab's. The dash was almost identical to the Thema, door cards were the same. I found the plastics were cheap and switchgear terrible. The Croma also came with a 'carputer' thing ( same as in the Tipo ), a pictogram of a car with led's to tell you which bulbs were blown and which door was ajar. It never worked. The central locking was also deafeningly loud! It never felt well built, like the Saab. When I bought it, it was in mint condition, with 54k on The clock.
The timing belt snapped after just a few months, with the inevitable damage rendering it scrap. Bought another Saab instead.
Loved these. Had a Fiat Croma Turbo (essentially the same) briefly in the mid 1990's. Rapid as hell, but never had a car with as much torque steer in my life (even worse than my old Montego Turbo)
Who remembers the Thema 8.32, the one with the detuned Ferrari V8?
I remember those well nearly bought a superb example for a reasonable amount of money but as the steering wheel was on wrong side I bottled it.
Do I regret that?
Yup.
Always wanted one but never managed to own one. Had 3 Thema 16v Turbos, Inc a series 3 VIS model. Not many people knew that the VIS was the quickest of all the Themas and that includes the 8.32.
I had an I E Turbo with a body kit which was cheaper to insure than my two previous Golf GTi’s and it was much faster. A real beautiful saloon. The electrics were starting to play up but body was still fine in 1999.
This is a rare car now and nice looking. Back in 88 I had a number of cars on my shopping list including this one. I bought a Volvo 240, which I still have, mainly for its durability, safety and strength, I had two young daughters. Lancia had a lot of question marks for corrosion and durability. The 8.32 is the one to have, but was very expensive new.
Ref glove box lights, both my Volvo and 89 E30 3 series have them and lockable.
Note on the stereo, these didnt come with 1 as standard, the hole was there as was the wiring and it was up to the owner to organise a stereo and fitment themselves. My dad had a new Thema ie LX in 1987, platinum with alcantara interior, lovely car, but an absolute nightmare, he had maybe 1 week in 3 years of ownership where everything worked on it, it was a company car so he didnt have to pay for any of it thankfully
I think this is what you do best, reviewing cars.
And i really like the ones from the 80's and earlier.
Man, you need more subscribers! RUclips algorithm brought me here (as a viewer of channels like aging wheels e.g.) and I was not disappointed. Love it, great!
Great job mate, keep it on!!
Thank you, very happy to have found another subscriber!
These eightyes cars were so harismatic
10:07 interesting to see the display was in Fahrenheit in a UK car as recent as the late 80s.
Its like my 1993 Lancia Dedra's dad
I remember all of the cars sharing this platform, and these were far the best.
That is a super clean example and I think even I'd be pleased to drive that!
I seem to remember these were the layman's executive car, fairly quiet and wafty and very comfortable indeed.
When they dropped the ferrari mill in it was ridiculous - nearly bought one, but then I saw the 164 3 litre and loved it more (it had that funky look)
Couldn't decide what to buy at the tje for a bit (guess what I bought - a maxima instead!)
That is a very nice car, always wanted one but too expensive for me back in the day, now very rare to find one in good nick!👌👍
Hubnut would love the windscreen wiper details. To be honest, I'd forgotten about these cars, but boy would I like to have one now. I think it's my favourite of the Alfa/Fiat/Lancia/Saab quartet. How many have survived though. Not many is what I'm thinking. Love these late 80s, early 90s cars. Scary thought, I was 8 years old when this car was new.
they are all very rare now unfortunately
The Volvo with that body was awesome too...
Would love to see a drive of an 8:32! Beautiful Thema!
Mine was a darker blue, but I found the lack of power hard to accept. When A 2.0 ie Turbo came along I traded it and the difference was like night and day and a very special car back in the day. Would love to have another Turbo parked on my drive. The facelift did wonders for the looks. These were rarer than rocking-horse shit in SA.
They are here as well
Always wanted one with the 2.0 turbo and nice Alcantara seats but they are all gone. Thema always amazed me.
driving one still today
Lucky, lucky..
annnnnnnd i'm subbed. Great reviewer
Great content! Thank you! Please sort out the mount on the passenger window, it’s quite wobbly. The channel is excellent though 😀😀
I believe a friend of mine has one of these. Very interesting and nice clear camera work
I had a prisma and dedra. They were nice cars
I had three Alfa 164s....so no further comment about my favourite needed, but my father in law had a Thema and it was a really nice car. When the heating control unit failed the car was scrapped as the cost of a new unit was horrendous... more than the car was worth, but without heating or vent control the car became unbearable. Very sad as mechanically it was ace after many years.
0:13 Yeah, I do prefer "Lancia Thema" 😉.
My dad had two of those in succession. Original and facelift (or maybe facelift 1 and facelift 2). The 16v turbo versions, though. Loved them. Way underrated. A family sedan that made 0 to 60 in 7-something while being much cheaper than ze quality cars from Germany.
Would have been even cooler (literally) with air con and leather, though. I don't even know if those were options.
I own a 1989 8.32 😊
Lancia the best in ‘80s and ‘90s…. The only Italian marque able to face Germans
I remember the Fiat Croma, Saab 9000 and Lancia Thema all had a similar look.
I have one of these cars.. I love lancia Thema ❤️❤️💖💖
Lucky man!
@@furiousdriving thanks for your
Curious wing mirrors! Lovely car, though. The illuminated glovebox reminds me I should fix the ones on my Rover.
G'day mate. Beautiful looking car. I've heard of the Lancia Thema, but I've never seen one in person.
You didn't see many here any more either, Im not sure they went to America, but old enough to import now its over 25
@@furiousdriving I agree. I've never understood why they were never imported to the USA in the first place.
@@jasoncarpp7742 they would have made millions in the US with reasonable pricing
@@busybee2033 I imagine they could've. There are *so* many cool cars sold in the UK that for one reason or another weren't sold here in the USA.
Service history can be strangely addictive, even if you don't own the car!:)
totally!
I haven’t seen one of those for years! I enjoyed the video, thanks.
Great car not many about. Thumbs up.
Enjoyable review Matt.
Thanks!
Furious! I am increasingly enjoying your videos - just the kind of content I like. This is exactly my kind of car!
I think you come across really well.
One minor thing (and please don’t think I am being over critical) would be to slow down a little with your delivery. Relax and deliver to your own pace. Took me a while to take that feedback with my own presentations few will ever hear!
Keep up the great work. Subscribed.
Thanks and noted!
I can say that it felt like fast car back in the day;)
Only just found this video! Another great video thank you!
First time seeing a Lancia Thema and 🤩. Pretty rad looking ride.😀
really clean-looking elegant car! shame they never came to Australia
While watching this video I decided to look for my country's Lancia website, I was so disappointed in realising it was not sold here anymore
very sad, not many markets for them now
I so much want the Dead Rat Dedra for the 6th time. Miss all 5
Great video showing a car 🚘 long gone. Bravo.
I own a mk3 with the 3.0 Alfa Busso V6. Top car!
Beautiful car!
I like Lancia's was given a Beta years ago...what an absolute shed of a car they were
A very nice car, interior looks more modern than 80's more mid 90's. If it hadn't been for the rust and tinworm issues, I think Lancia would of done much better in the UK. Kind of the opposite to a Rover. Rover quality product, but not put together very well, Lancia lower quality product, screwed together well. Great video as always 😁
My father in law had a Fiat 131 Sport and that rusted quite badly. However the 1987 Lancia Thema he then bought secondhand (also an HR Owen car) did not rust badly at all and neither did my 1989 Alfa Romeo 164 so I think you can assume that the rust issue was effectivey history by 1987. I thought the Thema was a really nice car, but I wouldn't have swapped my Alfa 164 for it. The 164 was a class act. I ended up having three of them 2 x 2.0 TS and a 24valve 3.0 V6 Super.
Try and reveiw a fiat regata 1.6 100s ie, 2000 twincam. got similar looks from front sure it shared most parts like door handles on facelift and looks like headlamps. Not many left of them.
Congratulations from Italy for the video!🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹 A greeting!
Hello, and thank you!
This is one comfortable car
My mate had one and it was an utter money pit that spent more time in the garage than the road.
Great car. I'd love to drive one myself. Really plush interior.
Lancia said it needs 9,7 seconds to go from 0 to 60 mph. So the time "12,4 seconds" is wrong! (To be honest I've one and it needs more than 9,7 seconds :D) However wonderful car, good review!
Depends on the engine, I spent a long time checking this and there are several different power levels with different versions, although I also found 11.4 for this engine after I published!
Great video classy car wish Lancia were back, maybe Noe they come under PSA group.
Love the boxy shape a proper car. Rust killed em. Reliability too. But how fun to see one let alone drive it. Rare indeed. 👍
There are loads still running in Portugal and rust free