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6.5 PRC with Berger 144gr Hybrid Target Bullets
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We’ve done a lot of work with the 6.5 PRC cartridge, including a lightweight rifle build, testing the Bergara Wilderness HMR, and a variety of other projects. This time, we took a closer look at the Berger 144 grain 6.5 mm Long Range Hybrid Target Bullet.
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I went to Hamburg Germany, Grabbed a burger, Shot a Bergara Rifle Loaded with Berger bullets, then saw a Burglary and talked to my friend with Asperger's.
Vihtavouri load data are very light. You should be able to get 3000fps or higher with N565.
easily, whats the point of running a prc just to run at 6.5 creedmoor velocities
Have a Sako chambered in 6.5-06 AI. This PRC basically mirrors it's ballistics. Absolutely the best long range platform in a mild recoiling package.
Another good vid Gavin. Look forward to many more. Great job. Great content.
Oh man, I love the 6.5 PRC - I’d love to shoot this round out to 1000 & beyond
Great video and sweet setup!
Gavin, at 13:43 when discussing cleaning off the case lube and you mention ... "you could leave it on there"... There have been tests with water (rain), ice, and lube, intentionally left on cases to measure the differences in internal ballistics and chamber stress. These conditions did not make significant pressure changes, but they certainly create significant differences in bolt face forces. In some rigs, this opens the door for POI shifts as well as challenges safety factors.
It will also create a false indication of pressure when the brass of the case head and primer cup flows even though pressure is normal because head force is abnormally high. Don't leave lube on your rifle brass and don't leave your rifle chamber flooded with preservative oils. Avoid letting ice or water get in there as well.
Also, with small (3 to 4 shots) group samples, the SD/ES stats aren't worth the trouble. It would be just as informative to just show the samples.
Great to see Guy getting to play with some great toys and a interesting new cartridge. Well done.
YMMV
Yes and it will certainly create a "stuck case" situation, and with a AR-10 or AR-15 it will cause a nightmare. I've had to "mortar" an AR-15 many times before I figured out it was excessive die lube. The chamber needs to be scrubbed with solvent afterwards or you can still get stuck cases even after they've been cleaned.
Great vid because this whole setup, from rifle to ammo, is what I was planning on for next years matches. I trust your judgement for load development, having a ballpark to work around will save me tons of time. Awesome channel Gavin!!
Awesome, glad this was helpful!
Would be great as a 1000 yard match cartridge. But would be close to a 264 Win magnum. As far as barrel wear. A 6.5 X 284 Lapua only gets about 1400 rounds of usable life for 1000yards. A 100 fps over a 6.5 X 284 will not do much for you. As far as a match cartridge in most cartridges.
@@richrudley2650 i have read on a couple forums that apparently barrel life is shorter with the 6.5x284, because of the case design. I don't have my own experience with either, but just an interesting point.
I've loaded 147gr ELD's to a Max of 59.0gr of Retumbo for 3011fps with no pressure signs on a powder test.
The 130gr Swift Sirocco 2 and 6.5PRC is a match made in heaven for white tails, mule deer, and pronghorn... if you're like me and don't shoot over 400 yards when you're hunting sight in 1.5 to 2" high at 100 yards and freakin send it with confidence. Great rifle, cartridge, and video as always keepem coming guys!!!
Swift makes excellent bullets, and seem to be overlooked with everyone riding the ELD fanboy train
Amen brother
Yes! The 6.5 PRC is the big brother of the 6.5 Creedmoor said the 6.5 WSM, I know cause I'm their Father!
I'm going to load the 156s but I'm going to load them out longer in a long action. I feel it'll give me more play room.
Lucky he had some 144’s on the shelf already haha
Looks similar to my max load with 6.5x47 with 140JLKs and Reloader 17. Yeah, it’s a little hot. But if you want to add 300fps to guy’s numbers with a PRC and still stay within a published max, look at MRP or RL26 in the Nosler load book.
Heck yeah
Hi fellas, another good one
It would be nice to see them on store shelves out in the wild
Hey Gavin, I just saw your presentation video on the Frankford Arsenal M press and was asking myself if you already made the 308 VS 7.62x51 video you were referring to. This would definitely complete the story of Nato vs Saami cartridges. At least the rifle cartridges.... 9mm Saami and 9mm Nato also make a difference :-)
The 6.5 PRC seems like a perfect sniper cartridge, but the 300 PRC has been chosen by many over it
I think that's due to the fact that those big long .30 cals, when pushed fast by the PRC, is going to hold a lot more energy down range. When you're trying to defeat barriers like car doors, etc, this can be an important consideration.
Use reloaded 26. Seems to be a hotrod powder for all 6.5mm calibers
I like to lower my seat and shoot 6" bipod.
Longer bipods equal a larger arc when I benchrest.
very interesting load with the Berger 144 gr.
Did you try the CCI BR2 primer.
if not maybe something to try.
best regards from West Germany.
WILL LOVE TO SEE THE 300 WSM POSSIBLE BUILD
I been using the 144s in my custom 264 win mag 26 inch barrel and its impressive 3018 avg fps
That must be a hammer of a load!
4 different 6.5 PRC Rifles weight with Glass 8 lb 13lb 18lb and 23 lb Results to follow are from the 23 lb 27" bbl Bartlein bbl the 144 LRHT over RL 26 is a winner in Lapua Brass 3170 FPS the Hornady ELDM 140's run 3197 both are great in all me rifles I have not tried the 565 yes but I found a few lbs to try.
That’s more like it… 👍
I would love to shoot the Berger 144 gr hybrids. I have been looking for months and I just can’t find them.
Do you know what would be fun? If you did a load development for a modern 6.5 swede, I think you would be suprised.
Great caliber, which I could find brass!
Brass is available just very pricey.
So you guys didn't annealed the brass ? Or you anneal brass every other firing ? ,
Why not try H1000 instead of Retumbo, i believe thats the better Hodgdon extreme poweder for 6.5 PRC.
I’m sticking with creedmoor but would be interested in in 300 prc 7 prc if it takes off
Great video but you're velocities for there 144 seemed very modest. I have the Bergara Wilderness Ridge in 6.5 PRC and I'm running N565 58.6 gn and there Berger 156, Lapua brass and CCI BR2s I'm getting MV 3005 with single digit SDs and ES. Load is sub half MOA. Last time out with this rifle I shot a 2in group at 650yds. Pretty sweet for a factory rifle. Now there is a however, I am single feeding the rounds as the mag box is to short for my OAL of 3.050. That's something I can live with as I purchased the 2 bullet quiver from Short Action Precision. I've been very happy with this rifle. I did top it with a Athlon Ares BTR Gen 2 4.5x27x50 with the ALP3 reticle that I purchased primarily because of your reviews of Athlon. A Sweet setup for sure.
Barrel length? Your claimed velocities seem very high with that powder charge and projectile weight?
Got a 6.5PRC. Montana rifle. Wonderful accuracy. But I am not interested in target ammunition. I like the heavier bullets for hunting although I have had good results with the 143 ELD. I want to use this rifle on elk. Gimme some loads.
Everybody please welcome the 6.5 prc, the big brother of the 6.5 creedmoor we all love!
6.5x55 swedish has entered the chat.
My sons, welcome! Said the 6.5 WSM 😉
@@maxcoatlhunter4322 don't look now, but I think I see that 6.5x300 Weatherby pulling up.
The 6.5-284 is new again
@@Millertime118 yeah that's a good one too.
@@H.R.6688 no kidding! 👍
I didn't here you talk about the trigger. Type , weight and function?
Any more 6mm ARC videos coming out?
When I called up Vihtavuori directly, this was before they had published loads online. When I asked them for starting and max loads using N565 with the 147 eldm, they provided me with 53-60. They said this came directly from Capstone Precision Group. Then about 2 weeks later they published their load data and it was way less than what they told me over the phone... Their published loads, don't even beat the Creedmoor by hardly anything...
What do you think of this cartridge in a 20" barrel?
What do you look at when evaluating a given powder to see if it might be a good fit for a particular bullet, and I'm guessing barrel, etc, combo? If you cover this in a video already, my apologies, but you have a LOT of videos. But how to evaluate a powder might be a good video - seems like there a lot of variables that come into play. i.e. Long barrel + heavy bullet = slow powder....ish. LOL
I wish hornady would catch up with ammo production
That load seems to be loaded light.
What do you think guy
If you are going to focus on competitive range shooting and you have a 6.5 whatever (It doesn't matter to handloaders, then all you need to use is the 139gn Lapua Scenar. How is a 6" group at 1000 yards. Enough? or you could go one step further and buy a rifles chambered in Lapua 6.5x47 uigng that bullet and use Lapua factory ammo. All those guys thinking they have got the lastest and greatest with the 6.5 Creedmore are now regretting it.
6.5～👍😄😃
Are you getting alot of carbon out of yours suppressed? I have had alot of problems relating to it.
I use H1000
Since Tikkas release on the t3x super varmint In 6.5x55. I am going to make hot loads with 150 accubond
I guess I just don’t understand the lack of attention given to the 6.5-284. I feel like the PRC does nothing better than the Norma.. yet it’s all off the sudden the greatest thing since sliced bread. Is it due to the normal being long action or is it the fact that it needs a better PR agent?
Research the podcast from gunwerks about the prc. The primary reason relates to no Sammi standard for the 6.5-284, insurance companies will not support factory ammo. 6.5 prc is a factory 6.5 284
I don’t understand the 6.5 Prc, I want to get in to one, I think it would be an upgrade from my creedmoor, a little more range, a little more velocity. Then I see a test like this and I go to my CM and I’m getting 2850 with a 145mb with 41.8grs of h4350. And I see no point in making the switch. I don’t know.
I would try RL-16🤔
No no no
Where did you get the primers🤤
Looking at your results at minute 16:35 indicates you may have swapped the velocities between the first and second, and between the third and fourth charges. Also the sudden V0 ES drop at the fifth charge indicates you were just approaching the stable range of VV N565. I would bet that the VV 6.5 PRC data is very conservative. Compare it to 6.5 CM you are only getting a velocity increase of about 75 fps. There is an internal case volume difference of about 14 grains of H2O, yet the charge only increases 7 grains. I would guess your 54.2 grain change is developing only 50000 psi +/- 2000 psi. If that is true a top charge of 58.0 grains is not beyond reason.
I thought the same, here in the UK VV powders are the most common (at least with all the shooters I know) and we also use N565 with our PRC's. My own load developed on my Begara Premier HMR is 58gr N565 using the heavier 156gr Berger EOL (Lapua brass, Fed 210M primer). So I was surprised to see Guy's load top out at 54.5gr.
There are a few guys in my club target shooting the 6.5PRC at a mile, they prefer RL26.
@@VulpesGBR Well Guy seems to come from the real hunter side of reloading (not NRL Hunter which is a PRS match shooting at animal shaped plates) , and was properly staying within the VV data envelope. Now with the experience seeing that his top charge did essentially match the velocity shown in the data, he could step into the unknown a bit and see if higher charges can be used in the subject rifle to increase the precision of his loads.
@@ewathoughts8476 Yes, good point well raised, staying within VV data is wise especially when posting a publicly viewed video. In our experience, VV load data is conservative and leaves some headroom for extra performance.
I call it yet another Hornady boutique round with limited factory loading selection and unubtanium brass. It's a capable round with lots of potential, but as long as factory loadings and components remain limited, it'll be just another boutique round. I put 300PRC, 6mm ARC (my current tryst) and a number of Nosler rounds in the same category.
Never any love for the .260 Rem.
6.5 prc is like 6.5 creedmoor magnum ...
Those velocities are very disappointing for a magnum cartridge an a 140 class bullet.
My 260AI shoots 147ELDMs at 2955 with a 24” barrel and groups in the .3s.
Mike - out of interest could you define exactly what you mean by “groups in the 3’s” please? Is it (for example) the long-run 5 shot group average, or the long-run 10 shot group average, or it sometimes produces 0.3” 3 shot groups (or whatever definition you use).
@@Russell-1 for load development I use 5 shot groups @ 100 yards. Groups consistently shoot in the .3X” range.
Taking it out to 600 yards the grouping stays consistently under .5 MOA.
WooHoo first thumbs up 😁
Thank you!!!
Guy needs to speak up
Sorry Gavin, but I struggle to think a 6.5 PRC is perfect for NRL hunter, when AGAIN spoting hits/misses is key. A 6.5 Creedmoor or 25 Creedmoor will meet power limit , have less recoil and provide better trace recognition. The 6.5 PRC is a great hunting cartridge and 1K+ target cartridges...
Lol dont speak for anyone other than yourself or youll look like an asshole i mountin hunt this season with 375 ruger and a muzzle brake to prove it is not to big for deer , elk and grizz and 25-06 rem is far better than 6.5 cred and if u want light recoil get a 243 im used 220 swift on deer and 45-70 hot loaded and its always bullet design and shot placement so use a muzzle brake if 6.5 prc is to stout for you lol i use 28 nos last few years abd 30-378 for all my game
wow an expert
@@JR-lg7fd
Sounded like an opinion and you chose not to refute it with facts and statistics but instead wrote a middle school caliber insult. Pun intended.
@@tinfoilsombrero1439 wow a philosopher. and someone who explains their jokes.
@@JR-lg7fd 👈🏻 Sounds like a millennial.
Why don’t you millennials just buy a 25-06 and be done with it