After a single run? Did you reset long term adaptations? Cars literally have short and long term knock and MAF adaptations that need to be reset if you wanted to be completely fair.
Thanks for doing that. People spend unnecessary cash on mods they are promised will increase your BHP. I’m a Subaru fan but what you’re posting is good and warming me to the Audi 😎👍
You need wait a week or 2 for the engine to get used to the new air filter,drive it about for a month then Dino it ,I assure you it will be higher ,mine stock filter was 560 then bmc (best air filter ) used by Mrc (best rs6 tuners in uk ) drove it few month for ect to get used to new mod then 578 hp slightly better mpg and better sound to , so yes they do work 👍🏻 that cheap piper cross I am not sure tho , he urself a bmc one pal
If you replace the air filter without the adapter you won't make any gains. For what I know on my car the stock intake is 2.75" and the new pipercross one is 4". If your stock adapter stays the same and you just put an air filter with bigger diameter, your gains will be marginal to none.
Nice to see a comparison but the problem with using this car in the test is the stock intake design has great flow already. Audi have spent years and money in development. Wouldn't expect an rs intake to be shit compared to a smaller companies intake like ramair. Would be interested to see if a full intake upgrade made any difference. But could imagine it would probably result the same.
Interestingly, Audi changed this single-filter design to 2 smaller filters when they did the facelift in 2015. There's a very expensive Eventuri intake which replaces those 2 filters with an "optimised" design. It's all carbon fibre and it looks very slick, but I've never seen anyone dyno test it. I'm certainly not spending £1500 on an intake for an experiment though!
Some cars can benefit and some will not. I can almost guarantee most japanese n/a would gain from this, Some American cars as well. Euro cars already do the most so its useless unless you have a proper tune on their
vPerformance wrong pal , mine went up 18 hp and 20 torque after few month with bmc filter ,straight away I did dyno like u and no change so there's the proof 👍🏻
In my experience unless you have done substantial modding such as bigger turbo, intercooler, remap etc The aftermarket filters make no real difference on a stock vehicle setup as the video proved, it may sound different but thats about it, The really cheap cone filters tend to be potential for more damage to the engine then anything else, As if you look closely the joints where they are glued tend to have gaps from poor design and manufacturing which allows larger debris to enter the intake which is the whole reason for a filter, And when using performance filters it is vital to clean and oil them regular or they just become a restriction Respect buddy 🤘
Yeah you need to go a long wayon modding before the filter is the weakest point! I'll check out the build quality on the filter - good tip - I've got a 2nd one here which I could dissect.
@@vPerformance will say genuine quality ones are good depending on how your using the motor but on stock setup its just a pretty label for benefits, a mates fabia BLT fmic, boosty hybrid turbo, straight thru exhaust , map and as we were hitting the limit of other components with 230bhp at the wheel on the dyno a pipercross panel filter made a difference, just had to get the front panel intake off a pd180 cupra i think it was and it deffo helped because it was sucking way more air then oem intended , i'm mainly referring to the cheap no brand filters that people get off wish etc and experience the placebo effect cause "more noise more power" lol
@@upsidedown4155 it all depends on the car. We can agree, it doesn't work for this car but or maybe any other Audi but some cars will benefit on a stock tune; maybe only 5 or 10 hp but it will be better than this. That's not bad for a drop in replacement filter
@@792bnz agreed but in that case use a premium fuel rather then the cheap stuff most people use, like a 98 octane and get the bhp that way, if your going to mod the car i cant see the point unless your going to gain at least 50 bhp
exactly this. on my car (4.2T) pushing 750bhp, just swapping from cotton k&n to pipercross foam and then removing the MAF screen netted 4psi more boost at the same controller duty cycle.
Have you ever tested whether it's really worth it to purchase a Dooxi cabin air filter? I saw that the purchase page in the video should be this one：dooxi.com I just clicked on their advertisement, and I was curious about that！
Load of rubbish to be honest. Aftermarket air filters provide better and cleaner airflow than standard, the vehicle needs to learn this over time so a dyno moments after fitting is a completely pointless test. I've used pipercross on all my bikes and cars and have experienced better response, sound and power delivery. You should remake this video after it's been fitted for a week or so, and not just one dyno run either, they can fluctuate as you mentioned 559 was the BEST run, not the only run. Yet you only did one run after to show a few BHP less, i'd say that's next to impossible to lose 11 bhp.
I just get fed up with idiots on the Internet with opinions and no tests or videos to back up their opinion. I hope you're not an idiot on the Internet.
This test stands on its own. You're talking about a different test. I have no interest in your opinion. Only what you can prove. Confirmation bias much?
Maybe if the ecu read the new filter and the extra air flow maybe the car gain some hp...with the second or third dyno..maybe
yes it do, the ecu have to learn it, over time it will run better also ur gas miles go down
Not to mention the size of this stock Audi filter is massive already. The two options are more surface area for intake- or less micron filtration.
This guy knows what's up
In all fairness, the stock filter basically is already a performance filter
After a single run? Did you reset long term adaptations? Cars literally have short and long term knock and MAF adaptations that need to be reset if you wanted to be completely fair.
Thanks for doing that. People spend unnecessary cash on mods they are promised will increase your BHP. I’m a Subaru fan but what you’re posting is good and warming me to the Audi 😎👍
Don't worry we're back to Subarus next week - a 30 minute video on our latest drifting setup :)
You need remap after fit performance filter
You need wait a week or 2 for the engine to get used to the new air filter,drive it about for a month then Dino it ,I assure you it will be higher ,mine stock filter was 560 then bmc (best air filter ) used by Mrc (best rs6 tuners in uk ) drove it few month for ect to get used to new mod then 578 hp slightly better mpg and better sound to , so yes they do work 👍🏻 that cheap piper cross I am not sure tho , he urself a bmc one pal
Different day several months later = significantly different temperature = different power.
These sophisticated ECUs don't need a week to adapt.🤣
If you replace the air filter without the adapter you won't make any gains. For what I know on my car the stock intake is 2.75" and the new pipercross one is 4". If your stock adapter stays the same and you just put an air filter with bigger diameter, your gains will be marginal to none.
Nice to see a comparison but the problem with using this car in the test is the stock intake design has great flow already.
Audi have spent years and money in development. Wouldn't expect an rs intake to be shit compared to a smaller companies intake like ramair.
Would be interested to see if a full intake upgrade made any difference. But could imagine it would probably result the same.
Interestingly, Audi changed this single-filter design to 2 smaller filters when they did the facelift in 2015. There's a very expensive Eventuri intake which replaces those 2 filters with an "optimised" design. It's all carbon fibre and it looks very slick, but I've never seen anyone dyno test it. I'm certainly not spending £1500 on an intake for an experiment though!
You needed to remove the ducting so you suck hot air right from the engine bay. Hot air moves faster duh.
Are you being sarcastic or what?
@@danr8194 Yes. 😂
@@802Garage yah got me 😂👍
I'll get right onto it!
Some cars can benefit and some will not. I can almost guarantee most japanese n/a would gain from this, Some American cars as well. Euro cars already do the most so its useless unless you have a proper tune on their
But if you would use a K&N when it would have made a difference
Oh you believe that do you?
You need to drive for several miles for the ECU to adjust to any airflow changes.
On modern cars this does not apply. The ECU adjusts immediately based on every cylinder fire.
vPerformance wrong pal , mine went up 18 hp and 20 torque after few month with bmc filter ,straight away I did dyno like u and no change so there's the proof 👍🏻
@@rs4rs669 Seems this fella doesn't want to admit he's wrong lol. you're right.
In my experience unless you have done substantial modding such as bigger turbo, intercooler, remap etc
The aftermarket filters make no real difference on a stock vehicle setup as the video proved, it may sound different but thats about it,
The really cheap cone filters tend to be potential for more damage to the engine then anything else,
As if you look closely the joints where they are glued tend to have gaps from poor design and manufacturing which allows larger debris to enter the intake which is the whole reason for a filter,
And when using performance filters it is vital to clean and oil them regular or they just become a restriction
Respect buddy 🤘
Yeah you need to go a long wayon modding before the filter is the weakest point! I'll check out the build quality on the filter - good tip - I've got a 2nd one here which I could dissect.
@@vPerformance will say genuine quality ones are good depending on how your using the motor but on stock setup its just a pretty label for benefits, a mates fabia BLT fmic, boosty hybrid turbo, straight thru exhaust , map and as we were hitting the limit of other components with 230bhp at the wheel on the dyno a pipercross panel filter made a difference, just had to get the front panel intake off a pd180 cupra i think it was and it deffo helped because it was sucking way more air then oem intended , i'm mainly referring to the cheap no brand filters that people get off wish etc and experience the placebo effect cause "more noise more power" lol
@@upsidedown4155 it all depends on the car. We can agree, it doesn't work for this car but or maybe any other Audi but some cars will benefit on a stock tune; maybe only 5 or 10 hp but it will be better than this. That's not bad for a drop in replacement filter
@@792bnz agreed but in that case use a premium fuel rather then the cheap stuff most people use, like a 98 octane and get the bhp that way, if your going to mod the car i cant see the point unless your going to gain at least 50 bhp
exactly this. on my car (4.2T) pushing 750bhp, just swapping from cotton k&n to pipercross foam and then removing the MAF screen netted 4psi more boost at the same controller duty cycle.
Make a dyno without any air filter, u will probably get more hp.
no u wont the car also need compress air thats how the ecu is program, u need to remap it
@@MrCrazy-R it's the turbo job to compress the air not the filter dummy 😁
Have you ever tested whether it's really worth it to purchase a Dooxi cabin air filter? I saw that the purchase page in the video should be this one：dooxi.com
I just clicked on their advertisement, and I was curious about that！
That's just a cabin/pollen filter right?
Load of rubbish to be honest.
Aftermarket air filters provide better and cleaner airflow than standard, the vehicle needs to learn this over time so a dyno moments after fitting is a completely pointless test.
I've used pipercross on all my bikes and cars and have experienced better response, sound and power delivery. You should remake this video after it's been fitted for a week or so, and not just one dyno run either, they can fluctuate as you mentioned 559 was the BEST run, not the only run. Yet you only did one run after to show a few BHP less, i'd say that's next to impossible to lose 11 bhp.
Show me the results. Otherwise you just have an opinion.
@@vPerformance Hit a nerve did I? You're the one sharing false results lets be honest.
Do a proper test and i'll eat my words.
I just get fed up with idiots on the Internet with opinions and no tests or videos to back up their opinion. I hope you're not an idiot on the Internet.
@@vPerformance I'm not the only one sharing this opinion about your test though, just redo it properly and prove us wrong
This test stands on its own. You're talking about a different test. I have no interest in your opinion. Only what you can prove. Confirmation bias much?