My second arcade machine was kind of a weird trip- I intended to get a CRT candy cabinet, and ended up with another LCD cab. But hey, at least this one is vertical.
I've always been a CRT purist, but this is a very well done conversion. Kudos to you. It's fortunate that the NNC has a flat glass tube so you don't need to deal with those gaps in the bezel which would be apparent on a Naomi, Blast City, or Astro City with a curved tube.
It's very true! I don't think it would work on an Astro City at all, but I do have a Blast City now that was converted to a Toshiba Pure Flat at some point in its life. That one actually has a very nice seemingly official bezel that has no gaps for the flat display.
The only cut and permanent damage that's happened was to my heart. Bye bye CRT ;_;. Jokes aside it's a beautiful mod. One of the few flat screen mods that actually work, and done with style.
It’s a good time! I had my mister set up for cps2 and Neo Geo in this for a while- that plus Dreamcast was super fun. If you find a cab with a good monitor, don’t hesitate to do it!
Do you have any issues with control mapping switching between player 1 and 2 on reboot? I'm using two brook boards as well and it's basically random which side will be player 1 after a reboot.
I do, yes! I frequently need to pop open my control panel and just reconnect them in the order I want after a reboot. Generally, the system is continually on but in sleep mode, so it's rarely an issue.
Fascinating and such a welcome option for Candy owners everywhere. Dorfus can you help? I’m trying to get some specific information on this monitor. Could you please tell me what scale options this monitor has, what I mean is, if you put a 640x480 resolution through this, can you scale that resolution to fill the screen via the lg’s menu?
thank you, i was already looking at this monitor at some point. Glad someone succeeded to make it successful. But i'll keep my multi Jamma 15Khz original games and use an OSSC
Totally fair- and I did manage to source a Toshiba PF that matches this unit, so I may try that in the future. Since no modifications were permanent, it'll be a simple swap back in if I ever want to try it. In general, even if this mod keeps a cabinet working while the original monitor is out for repair, I think it's worthwhile.
I would like to know, from those that own arcade cabinets with LCD, LEd, OLeD (TFT) screens, does it feel any different from playing on a big TV or computer monitor using a good pair of usb arcade sticks? or dual arcade sticks such as the Sega HSS-0130???
I mean absolutely- the feeling of playing on a crt is definitely different. This is much more convenient to me and I find the lag to be quite minimal. I used to own an HSS-0130 though, and it’s the same as having a Sega Cab for control provided you swap the garbage panel it comes with.
Hi mate, thanks a lot for this inspirational video! Could you please provide some info on what VESA mount you used for it? I am trying to do the same and would like to get the depth right! Cheers
Thank you so much for this video. I have this LCD for my mister and you have to see to belive how good it is. I may replace the CRT with this screen in my Astro in the future. I understand you added a metal sheet to the cab. But how did you fix the screen panel to the metal sheet?
Have you tested the input lag on this monitor? Tom's Hardware state it has 68ms which is way too much for gaming but I'm not sure if that figure is correct or not.
That’s way off. It’s a little worse than my 1MS LG gaming monitors, but nothing like that. It’s not as good as a crt certainly, but I had no issue playing CAVE stgs on it.
@@dorfus That's really good to hear since I am not reconsidering this monitor. Keep us updated. Hope you enjoy this monitor. If it's good for shmups it should be good for fighting games and games that require fast reaction times. I have no idea how Tom's Hardware came up with that figure to be honest and it's the only site on the whole internet that has some info about the input lag of this monitor. It's probably guesswork from what I can tell.
I did- it wasn’t necessarily that compelling to me with other crt displays around. In the end I found the monitor (a Toshiba) that this cab would have come with originally, and switched it back to that. The view size is actually very similar with the bezels- and the lag vs a real crt isn’t honestly all that egregious.
@@theblowupdollsmusic yeah I use the monitor that was in this for work, and did a full restore on the cabinet to bring it to original spec. I still run it in Tate- same interface and games. Honestly it worked so well and looked so stock I’m not sure it was necessary to put the Toshiba back in- but I couldn’t not restore it since I had the opportunity to do so.
@@theblowupdollsmusic I think the thing with crts is once you really get into them, you find they’re more accessible than you think going in. I even did a tube swap on frame to get everything to fit and I wouldn’t have done that a year ago. Anyway, drop by my Instagram (dapietri) and you can see all my current machines running in my latest post.
Hello, i have the same arcade machine, here in Italy, the monitor CRT is dead, i don't wanna spend money to repair it, do you know if a monitor 4:3 21" is too small for this machine? Thanks
Hey! Great video. I have a question, I'm looking at getting one of these for older fighting games (like MvC). How do fighting games play on this monitor?
Not totally sure, actually! I really just used it vertically. It should operate the same as any modern non-gaming IPS panel though- provided you’re using it with something that will be able to rotate the image. Remember that it is natively vertical- so hooking up say a Dreamcast over hdmi or something else may not display in the aspect you want.
Hi, my machine monitor unfortunately broke. Is there a link to the website where you can buy iron plate parts? I don't know if you can provide the size and location of the iron plate holes? After seeing your videos I started to see hope out of despair, thank you so much for your great info and sharing～🙏🏻❤️
The plate is a generic metal plate purchased from Lowes, a hardware store in the USA. Any similar plate would do, and you could also use plywood or MDF if necessary. The holes cut were measured to the mounting holes on the Net City chassis, and I measured the exact center between those holes for the VESA 100 holes. Unless you have tools that are appropriate for drilling very hard metal, I would actually suggest using a piece of MDF wood. It's much easier to drill, and potentially less expensive.
Thanks a lot for your replies and suggestion🙏🏻, I'll be using the MDF material first. This may be more convenient for me, because I have also tried asking about iron materials in the past two days, but generally in Taiwan, if the order quantity is too small, the manufacturer will not give me specific orders. Anyway, thank you very much and have a great game;)
The tiny plastic model kit? I think it came from Amazon- I haven’t seen more of them in ages- and I have been looking. There’s a Vewlix as well. The one here is specifically CAVE Tate focused.
@@keithkelly5692 The screen is natively 3:4 (ish) Tate- whereas a monitor that an arcade machine would use would be rotated 90 degrees. So emulation works REALLY well and is quite lag free, but it isn't natively 4:3. You'd need something to process the rotation between your arcade board / MiSTer and the screen, since the screen isn't doing it.
I've been eyeing one of these monitors for an arcade cabinet I'm rebuilding. How is the latency/lag, especially at non-native resolution modes, with vsync enabled? Does it natively support 90-degree content rotation, so that I can just turn it 90 degrees and feed it a landscape resolution mode (without any rotation or special software/drivers required on the signal-producing device) and have it "just work"?
With programs like Final Burn Neo, the lag is quite minimal- I've had other STG playing friends over to use it and nobody has noticed any significant lag. I generally notice when something is over 4-5 ms, personally. As for turning it 90 degrees for horizontal 4:3, there is no internal digital rotation mechanism on it. Perhaps this will be something of a firmware update in the future, as I would really like to use it in 4:3 mode occasionally for some applications.
@@dorfus - Thank you for replying with that info! I'll have to check if all the emulators I care about, and/or MiSTer (haven't decided which I'll use for it yet), can be made to rotate the image 90 degrees the right way.
@@dorfus - Looks like display_rotate setting in Raspberry Pi's config.txt can rotate the entire display, so in theory that should work. I'll have to try it out with a different monitor first.
@@dorfus seems to be the best option right now, I only worry about 5ms response time, I have a candy that probably it’s monitor is dead. Thx for the info
Love it! You did a fantastic job! If my crt ever crashed out in my new astro, I'll def. Go this route! Thank you for sharing!
I've always been a CRT purist, but this is a very well done conversion. Kudos to you. It's fortunate that the NNC has a flat glass tube so you don't need to deal with those gaps in the bezel which would be apparent on a Naomi, Blast City, or Astro City with a curved tube.
It's very true! I don't think it would work on an Astro City at all, but I do have a Blast City now that was converted to a Toshiba Pure Flat at some point in its life. That one actually has a very nice seemingly official bezel that has no gaps for the flat display.
I have a blast city and was thinking of adding this LG in it🤷♂️
Awesome job on the cab, man! I've been waiting too long for this video!
CRT is beautiful; however, the maintenance is annoying. You just provide a wonderful solution to guys who have been suffered, thank you!
This is a game changer. Had no idea it fits so well! Great Video!
The only cut and permanent damage that's happened was to my heart. Bye bye CRT ;_;. Jokes aside it's a beautiful mod. One of the few flat screen mods that actually work, and done with style.
Hahahah your heart had it coming
Dorfus such a nice setup and solution …great job
I love the miniature candy cabinet wonderful
Good stuff, saludos from Costa Rica
Which Bigbox theme is that? I really like it but haven't been able to locate anything similar that properly displayed in 4:3.
Very well done! I eventually hope to have a candy cab with a mister setup.
It’s a good time! I had my mister set up for cps2 and Neo Geo in this for a while- that plus Dreamcast was super fun. If you find a cab with a good monitor, don’t hesitate to do it!
Like to see the dualup linked with the mister. Might have to do it myself.
Love your cab. Nice work.
Do you have any issues with control mapping switching between player 1 and 2 on reboot? I'm using two brook boards as well and it's basically random which side will be player 1 after a reboot.
I do, yes! I frequently need to pop open my control panel and just reconnect them in the order I want after a reboot. Generally, the system is continually on but in sleep mode, so it's rarely an issue.
This is fantastic. We need to collab. For real.
Fascinating and such a welcome option for Candy owners everywhere.
Dorfus can you help?
I’m trying to get some specific information on this monitor.
Could you please tell me what scale options this monitor has, what I mean is, if you put a 640x480 resolution through this, can you scale that resolution to fill the screen via the lg’s menu?
thank you, i was already looking at this monitor at some point. Glad someone succeeded to make it successful. But i'll keep my multi Jamma 15Khz original games and use an OSSC
Totally fair- and I did manage to source a Toshiba PF that matches this unit, so I may try that in the future. Since no modifications were permanent, it'll be a simple swap back in if I ever want to try it. In general, even if this mod keeps a cabinet working while the original monitor is out for repair, I think it's worthwhile.
I would like to know, from those that own arcade cabinets with LCD, LEd, OLeD (TFT) screens, does it feel any different from playing on a big TV or computer monitor using a good pair of usb arcade sticks? or dual arcade sticks such as the Sega HSS-0130???
I mean absolutely- the feeling of playing on a crt is definitely different. This is much more convenient to me and I find the lag to be quite minimal. I used to own an HSS-0130 though, and it’s the same as having a Sega Cab for control provided you swap the garbage panel it comes with.
Hi mate, thanks a lot for this inspirational video! Could you please provide some info on what VESA mount you used for it? I am trying to do the same and would like to get the depth right! Cheers
Hi! I didn't use an actual VESA- just measured and cut right into a big metal panel.
Thank you so much for this video. I have this LCD for my mister and you have to see to belive how good it is. I may replace the CRT with this screen in my Astro in the future. I understand you added a metal sheet to the cab. But how did you fix the screen panel to the metal sheet?
Simple- measured the vesa pattern on the monitor (100x100) and drilled holes in the sheet. Used some simple metric vesa screws to affix it.
can you rotate the screen with the mister fpga? or is it only for tate games?
Have you tested the input lag on this monitor? Tom's Hardware state it has 68ms which is way too much for gaming but I'm not sure if that figure is correct or not.
That’s way off. It’s a little worse than my 1MS LG gaming monitors, but nothing like that. It’s not as good as a crt certainly, but I had no issue playing CAVE stgs on it.
@@dorfus That's really good to hear since I am not reconsidering this monitor. Keep us updated. Hope you enjoy this monitor.
If it's good for shmups it should be good for fighting games and games that require fast reaction times. I have no idea how Tom's Hardware came up with that figure to be honest and it's the only site on the whole internet that has some info about the input lag of this monitor. It's probably guesswork from what I can tell.
Bloody brilliant!
This is actually amazing. Have you tried any CRT or scanline shaders?
I did- it wasn’t necessarily that compelling to me with other crt displays around. In the end I found the monitor (a Toshiba) that this cab would have come with originally, and switched it back to that. The view size is actually very similar with the bezels- and the lag vs a real crt isn’t honestly all that egregious.
@@dorfus Interesting. So you ended up taking the LG monitor out and replaced it with the Toshiba?
@@theblowupdollsmusic yeah I use the monitor that was in this for work, and did a full restore on the cabinet to bring it to original spec. I still run it in Tate- same interface and games. Honestly it worked so well and looked so stock I’m not sure it was necessary to put the Toshiba back in- but I couldn’t not restore it since I had the opportunity to do so.
@@dorfus Awesome. Thanks for the update. I wonder if that LG could be a replacement in the future for some who are done with CRT repairs.
@@theblowupdollsmusic I think the thing with crts is once you really get into them, you find they’re more accessible than you think going in. I even did a tube swap on frame to get everything to fit and I wouldn’t have done that a year ago. Anyway, drop by my Instagram (dapietri) and you can see all my current machines running in my latest post.
Hello, i have the same arcade machine, here in Italy, the monitor CRT is dead, i don't wanna spend money to repair it, do you know if a monitor 4:3 21" is too small for this machine? Thanks
Way too small. That won’t look right. You want the LG Dual Up 28”.
Great video 📹
Hey! Great video. I have a question, I'm looking at getting one of these for older fighting games (like MvC). How do fighting games play on this monitor?
Not totally sure, actually! I really just used it vertically. It should operate the same as any modern non-gaming IPS panel though- provided you’re using it with something that will be able to rotate the image. Remember that it is natively vertical- so hooking up say a Dreamcast over hdmi or something else may not display in the aspect you want.
@@dorfus TY! That wouldn't be a problem, I would be playing through retroarch on a dedicated pc so I could rotate the image from there
Hi, my machine monitor unfortunately broke. Is there a link to the website where you can buy iron plate parts? I don't know if you can provide the size and location of the iron plate holes? After seeing your videos I started to see hope out of despair, thank you so much for your great info and sharing～🙏🏻❤️
The plate is a generic metal plate purchased from Lowes, a hardware store in the USA. Any similar plate would do, and you could also use plywood or MDF if necessary. The holes cut were measured to the mounting holes on the Net City chassis, and I measured the exact center between those holes for the VESA 100 holes. Unless you have tools that are appropriate for drilling very hard metal, I would actually suggest using a piece of MDF wood. It's much easier to drill, and potentially less expensive.
Thanks a lot for your replies and suggestion🙏🏻, I'll be using the MDF material first. This may be more convenient for me, because I have also tried asking about iron materials in the past two days, but generally in Taiwan, if the order quantity is too small, the manufacturer will not give me specific orders. Anyway, thank you very much and have a great game;)
My god, Amazing.
where did you buy the astro city mini?
The tiny plastic model kit? I think it came from Amazon- I haven’t seen more of them in ages- and I have been looking. There’s a Vewlix as well. The one here is specifically CAVE Tate focused.
Where did you buy your candy cab, jamma/pcb boards at?
yo this rocks. i really want to see the equivalent but for 4:3 non-tate
I agree! I'm hopeful that something will eventually fill that void. You could rotate this one, but then it'd only work for a PC.
@@dorfus I only really use my NNC with a PC anyway lol
@@dorfus - Why would it only work for a PC?
@@keithkelly5692 The screen is natively 3:4 (ish) Tate- whereas a monitor that an arcade machine would use would be rotated 90 degrees. So emulation works REALLY well and is quite lag free, but it isn't natively 4:3. You'd need something to process the rotation between your arcade board / MiSTer and the screen, since the screen isn't doing it.
The real problem with these is that they're 60hz and some games run > 60hz, so they'll hitch even with Freesync on.
I didn’t have much of an issue with that, shockingly. Now that I have spent a bunch of time with a high end crt in it though, I wonder if I’d notice?
@@dorfus I think mainly older games are impacted. Like Pacman runs at 60.60hz.
I've been eyeing one of these monitors for an arcade cabinet I'm rebuilding.
How is the latency/lag, especially at non-native resolution modes, with vsync enabled?
Does it natively support 90-degree content rotation, so that I can just turn it 90 degrees and feed it a landscape resolution mode (without any rotation or special software/drivers required on the signal-producing device) and have it "just work"?
With programs like Final Burn Neo, the lag is quite minimal- I've had other STG playing friends over to use it and nobody has noticed any significant lag. I generally notice when something is over 4-5 ms, personally.
As for turning it 90 degrees for horizontal 4:3, there is no internal digital rotation mechanism on it. Perhaps this will be something of a firmware update in the future, as I would really like to use it in 4:3 mode occasionally for some applications.
@@dorfus - Thank you for replying with that info! I'll have to check if all the emulators I care about, and/or MiSTer (haven't decided which I'll use for it yet), can be made to rotate the image 90 degrees the right way.
@@dorfus - Looks like display_rotate setting in Raspberry Pi's config.txt can rotate the entire display, so in theory that should work. I'll have to try it out with a different monitor first.
Impressive!
Great job.
hi buddy.. could u share the measure of viewable area (W | H)? looks really amazing
16.5" x 20.5" .
@@dorfus TY
@@superluchacallejera as a ref, the crt actual viewable display is 15.5” x 21”. So technically you gain some screen here.
@@dorfus seems to be the best option right now, I only worry about 5ms response time, I have a candy that probably it’s monitor is dead. Thx for the info
@@superluchacallejera I did eventually find a Toshiba Pure Flat and I’m using that in there. The difference in play is fairly negligible.
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