I am shopping. I want the r-15m but i keep reading about deficiency in the bass. What is your opinion? The Powering in the PM's just make them more versatile and not any better, correct? Thanks
@@marc1021 I believe bass response is somewhat room dependant & subjective. I have no problem with them in a medium size room, but I'm also not a bass junkie. I've had them hooked up to 3 different power sources: a 120w HK receiver, a 90w Marantz receiver, and a 20w chip amp, and they played wonderfully through each.
Nice video. I had both of these speakers for a little while and I did a few side by side comparisons between them. Overall I found myself preferring the R-15PM, but I think a large part of that simply because I've owned them longer I've grown accustom to their sound. The most noticeable difference between the two was the dynamic bass EQ feature on the R-51PM. I wasn't really a fan of it myself (although I think it's a great idea in theory). With it turned off the R-51PM just sounded kind of dull. And I mean that in the best way possible. The think Klipsch made an effort to fine tune the R-51PM give it a slightly more balanced sound. The result though was losing some of the character that made the R-15PM special in my opinion. At the end of the day neither speaker going to win any awards for being the best speaker in their price range so I kind of wonder if Klipsch wouldn't have been better off sticking with the slightly colored sound of the R-15PM just to distinguish them from the pack. All that said, I'm really splitting hairs to find a difference between the two. Neither speaker seemed more detailed than the other and if I was choosing to buy one or the other I'd just get the cheaper one.
To all the people saying '' It's stupid to stream xyz via RUclips and play over my system, we will learn nothing...'' I have worked in the audio industry for over 30 years and know well almost everything that has been made since 1950. (So i know how a lot of stuff ought to sound). What you do seem to get via RUclips is the essence or character fairly accurately. It would be difficult to put a percentage on it. It is hard to understand how! (mine being very transparent and revealing system - so for sure that will help...). So you should take it for what it is. If care has been taken to record the original and you yourself have a decent system then you can expect to get a good idea of certain areas of performance. You can't expect the subtleties to be revealed or areas where a certain product excels, like bass or transient response..These have to be missing if your system can't manage it etc. But you do get a better idea than seems possible. I'm always amazed how much comes over.
I agree. And what I can easily tell from this video using my headphones is that Klipsch is not for me. Maybe for my dad but to me they sound harsh as hell. Like, all tweeter, no mids and lows.
I bought a pair of (perfect) B-Stock R-15M from Woot for $109 earlier this year. Hard to beat for that price. Also very hard to replace the pair of Wharfedale EVO2-10 I sold, but they were a bit overkill for the room the were in, and I honestly don't listen as critically as I once did, so I'm very happy with this purchase and would strongly recommend them to anyone looking to spend less than about $250 on a pair...if you can still find them 👍
I can't tell much the difference, maybe in person if you listen to them will be better! Either one you get will be good, I was never disappointed by Klipsch so far!
Amazing how indistinguishable they are from one another. The specs suggest that the 51s are louder but the low frequency is no better. Neither is the high frequency. The mids are more natural in the 15s. Considering, the 15s are a Steal at $100 cheaper.
I have R-15 PM, but can' t decide if USB SPDIF output sound better than APT-X bluetooth or optical output. I don' t like analog output sound. Any ideas or maybe better ears opition? Thanks
It depends on the sound you'd like to get. For example, for music in general I prefer bluetooth and of course RCA. And I have two scenarios for each. If I want to listen to music that I know doesn't require so much "details" like extreme metal, I prefer bluetooth with aptx codec, if it is music like post rock, instrumental, etc, I prefer to have an analog input but I have to say that bluetooth and spdif is also great . If I want see a movie, of course the spidf is the best option, I don't use optical, it is more about your taste.
On the last track, you can clearly hear how much clarity R-51PM has. R-15PM sounds mediocre to me. Even it makes me think; could it be the worst speaker that Klipsch come up with?
You are correct. I’ve heard more and more commons like this happened. If you want a wireless hook up, Kanto YU6 and Edifier S1000mk2 may give you smoother experience.
Bass is the easiest thing to fix by adding a sub. In fact even the strong bass The Five needs a sub to share burden of low frequency to bring out more precise mids and highs.
Yep. I've been doing tons of reading up on this stuff. From what I gather from guys who know their stuff: If bass impact and punch really matter to you, DO NOT get bookshelf speakers without a subwoofer.
@@DSAUDIOreview A jeśli chodzi o budżet do 3000zł co byś polecił z aktywnych głośników lub jakiś dobry zestaw stereo złożony z wzmaka i kolumn? Podstawa to musi mieć bluetooth i minimum optyk. Co sądzisz o audio pro T20 lub ich najnowszej iteracji, A36? Pozdrawiam
@@DSAUDIOreview could that be reason why acoustic instruments(classical and middle east songs) on r-51pm sounds unnatural in comparison to r-15pm samples? The music on r-15pm is more "by myself, in the room" feel. And no, I didn't listen it on laptop speakers :)
This is completely stupid. You're hearing the sound of a) his microphone, and b) your own speakers. It boggles my mind that people think they can audition speakers by listening to them *through* another set of speakers. When you shop for a TV, do you look at a video of the TV on your existing TV?
So by your logic. If listening on RUclips to a voice competition between Ray Charles and Jon Bon Jovi, we'd not be able to tell who the shitty one is. Stop having opinions fake smart guy.
they almost sound the same to me, only slight differences, especially in the mid/high parts, which are a little more clear and slightly wider, so not really an signifcant improvement, just a good facelift imo.
When you hook up a sub to the 51PM's do they apply a crossover to send the low freq over to the sub so they will play louder or no like the Vanatoo's do?
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Seriously? No input at all? Just playing music that we can't tell the difference in since we are listening to everything through a different speaker! Wow..I would give more thumbs down if I could. Was excited to finally hear a good comparison review.
This is stupid. You cannot expect to stream music via the internet, to my "whatever" speakers and expect to make a direct comparison. These videos have no relevance.
And yet most all of us can hear subtle differences in these comparison videos. As expressed in the comment sections. Even I can, and one of my ears is totally screwed up.
@Uztakfuer did you even watch the end of this video? He posts frequency response graphs. You can SEE the lack of bass. After 100hz it drops like a stone.
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I cannot realize differences. I've just owned a R-51PM. Really love this. It's cheaper ($100) than the R-15PM and it is also a newer model.
That's cuz your listening through phone speakers
Love the sound of R 51pm. The sound a little bit bigger than R 15pm. Thank you.
The 51's are slightly produce slightly more false dynamics. The 15's are more precise and reference like. But both great for the price.
Near identical. I just bought the R-15M on woot for $109, couldn't be happier!
I am shopping. I want the r-15m but i keep reading about deficiency in the bass. What is your opinion? The Powering in the PM's just make them more versatile and not any better, correct? Thanks
@@marc1021 I believe bass response is somewhat room dependant & subjective. I have no problem with them in a medium size room, but I'm also not a bass junkie. I've had them hooked up to 3 different power sources: a 120w HK receiver, a 90w Marantz receiver, and a 20w chip amp, and they played wonderfully through each.
@@MrChristopherMolloy Thank you
Nice video. I had both of these speakers for a little while and I did a few side by side comparisons between them. Overall I found myself preferring the R-15PM, but I think a large part of that simply because I've owned them longer I've grown accustom to their sound. The most noticeable difference between the two was the dynamic bass EQ feature on the R-51PM. I wasn't really a fan of it myself (although I think it's a great idea in theory). With it turned off the R-51PM just sounded kind of dull. And I mean that in the best way possible. The think Klipsch made an effort to fine tune the R-51PM give it a slightly more balanced sound. The result though was losing some of the character that made the R-15PM special in my opinion. At the end of the day neither speaker going to win any awards for being the best speaker in their price range so I kind of wonder if Klipsch wouldn't have been better off sticking with the slightly colored sound of the R-15PM just to distinguish them from the pack. All that said, I'm really splitting hairs to find a difference between the two. Neither speaker seemed more detailed than the other and if I was choosing to buy one or the other I'd just get the cheaper one.
What do you recommend in the price range? The r-15M is rated a Top 3
For me, before i saw graphics, new has a bit deeper bass but old better balanced tweeter and better look. All is about taste, nothing more. . .
R-51pm vs R-41pm ?
To all the people saying '' It's stupid to stream xyz via RUclips and play over my system, we will learn nothing...''
I have worked in the audio industry for over 30 years and know well almost everything that has been made since 1950. (So i know how a lot of stuff ought to sound).
What you do seem to get via RUclips is the essence or character fairly accurately. It would be difficult to put a percentage on it. It is hard to understand how! (mine being very transparent and revealing system - so for sure that will help...). So you should take it for what it is. If care has been taken to record the original and you yourself have a decent system then you can expect to get a good idea of certain areas of performance.
You can't expect the subtleties to be revealed or areas where a certain product excels, like bass or transient response..These have to be missing if your system can't manage it etc. But you do get a better idea than seems possible. I'm always amazed how much comes over.
no I agree which is why the reviewer should add their 2 cents and fill in the blanks on what is being heard.
@@johnnyvegas5681 Quite right.
I agree. And what I can easily tell from this video using my headphones is that Klipsch is not for me. Maybe for my dad but to me they sound harsh as hell. Like, all tweeter, no mids and lows.
@@lm6036 You are correct but when you pair them with a sub,they do wake up!
Only difference was the tweeter sounded slightly different. I think 51PM was clearer and less boxy sounding.
I bought a pair of (perfect) B-Stock R-15M from Woot for $109 earlier this year. Hard to beat for that price. Also very hard to replace the pair of Wharfedale EVO2-10 I sold, but they were a bit overkill for the room the were in, and I honestly don't listen as critically as I once did, so I'm very happy with this purchase and would strongly recommend them to anyone looking to spend less than about $250 on a pair...if you can still find them 👍
At 2:44 song section is playing equally. So you can clearly hear the deeper bass on the 51.
I can't tell much the difference, maybe in person if you listen to them will be better!
Either one you get will be good, I was never disappointed by Klipsch so far!
15's sound more open...... love both but I would go 15's
R15PM + sub :)
Amazing how indistinguishable they are from one another. The specs suggest that the 51s are louder but the low frequency is no better. Neither is the high frequency. The mids are more natural in the 15s. Considering, the 15s are a Steal at $100 cheaper.
I think I made the right decision going with the R-15PM instead of the 51’s
It's hard to tell. I can only differentiate volume. Though the 51 has a more solid base.
keep up great work
The 51's sound less muddy to me
15 a bit more dynamic but less clear mids and highs.
Though both more bright than the original sound
Classical goes to the 15 IMO
Thank you for best RUclips test always.🙏👌👌👌👌✌✌
I have R-15 PM, but can' t decide if USB SPDIF output sound better than APT-X bluetooth or optical output. I don' t like analog output sound. Any ideas or maybe better ears opition? Thanks
It depends on the sound you'd like to get. For example, for music in general I prefer bluetooth and of course RCA. And I have two scenarios for each. If I want to listen to music that I know doesn't require so much "details" like extreme metal, I prefer bluetooth with aptx codec, if it is music like post rock, instrumental, etc, I prefer to have an analog input but I have to say that bluetooth and spdif is also great . If I want see a movie, of course the spidf is the best option, I don't use optical, it is more about your taste.
Optical
Both sound nearly the same, except 15 sounds slightly more relaxed, which I like.
On the last track, you can clearly hear how much clarity R-51PM has. R-15PM sounds mediocre to me. Even it makes me think; could it be the worst speaker that Klipsch come up with?
Listens on iPhone 11 Pro Max
Can I pair either of these with my klipsch sw-350 and connect to my turn table?
I am in the market and comparing 15m vs 51m...does the PM have any effect or is it simply a powered M?
i believe its just a powered m
are tze behringer USB50 the strongest speakers available at that pricepoint?
I read in amazon they said R51pm got the white noise , make me hesitate, do you have this problem, your review is great ... make me want to buy now
Uztakfuer thank you for your reply , that is most down point
You are correct. I’ve heard more and more commons like this happened. If you want a wireless hook up, Kanto YU6 and Edifier S1000mk2 may give you smoother experience.
The lack of Bass is what conserns me more.
Bass is the easiest thing to fix by adding a sub. In fact even the strong bass The Five needs a sub to share burden of low frequency to bring out more precise mids and highs.
Yep. I've been doing tons of reading up on this stuff. From what I gather from guys who know their stuff: If bass impact and punch really matter to you, DO NOT get bookshelf speakers without a subwoofer.
R-15pm sounds better than the 51pm but loving my B&W 606 S2 🔥🔊💯
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Witam. Które bardziej polecasz, Klipsch R-51PM czy Edifier S3000 Pro? Za odpowiedź z góry dziękuję.
Zdecydowanie S3000Pro
@@DSAUDIOreview A jeśli chodzi o budżet do 3000zł co byś polecił z aktywnych głośników lub jakiś dobry zestaw stereo złożony z wzmaka i kolumn? Podstawa to musi mieć bluetooth i minimum optyk. Co sądzisz o audio pro T20 lub ich najnowszej iteracji, A36? Pozdrawiam
@@DSAUDIOreview hola, para sala más pequeña es más recomendable s2000 mk3? Que s3000 pro? Saludos!!!!
good damn these sound good
Difference R-51PM VS R-51M, PM VS M?
have you disabled dinamic eq on the r-51 pms?
Nope
@@DSAUDIOreview could that be reason why acoustic instruments(classical and middle east songs) on r-51pm sounds unnatural in comparison to r-15pm samples? The music on r-15pm is more "by myself, in the room" feel. And no, I didn't listen it on laptop speakers :)
This is completely stupid. You're hearing the sound of a) his microphone, and b) your own speakers. It boggles my mind that people think they can audition speakers by listening to them *through* another set of speakers. When you shop for a TV, do you look at a video of the TV on your existing TV?
So by your logic. If listening on RUclips to a voice competition between Ray Charles and Jon Bon Jovi, we'd not be able to tell who the shitty one is. Stop having opinions fake smart guy.
51 is more flat with less horn shout, better bass, and more air.
I agree with you Hani bani bing bong. Seriously, I felt the same.
I feel slightly more sibilance on the r15... r51 sounds less harsh to my hears, and more balanced & natural.
Facelift?? The old model.sounds better...and looks better
R-15 PM Winner
H D paired with the r-8sw. Both used and in perfect condition $250. Couldn’t be happier.
suena mejor el R-51
Tracklist? wanted to know inspiring middle east song, what a tune
they almost sound the same to me, only slight differences, especially in the mid/high parts, which are a little more clear and slightly wider, so not really an signifcant improvement, just a good facelift imo.
When you hook up a sub to the 51PM's do they apply a crossover to send the low freq over to the sub so they will play louder or no like the Vanatoo's do?
I have the r51-pm's and the r120-sw sub and they sound great.You send all lows to the sub
@@gregroberts5863 I found a retailer that is selling the Fives for $599 so I am gonna get those.
@@edmondsamuel51 Great,let me know how they sound.
@@edmondsamuel51 did you get that $599 Five? It’s $799 everywhere I can find.
Mids are too scooped on the 51's.
15 are more accurate. 51 are bigger and fuller.
R 51pm. win
sound is better on 51. but. we prob dont notice when we only use 1 of the 2 :3
friends over there -- cr3 mackie (pair)\\ av32 m-audio (pair) \\ bx5 - d3 m-audio (only one) what should i buy ?? - i am beginner who wants to create indie music thx :)
the sixes vs r51
I would like to try listen
R-51 has scooped mids.
METALZONE!
15 has better treble and upper mids.
Just a facelift.
Seriously? No input at all? Just playing music that we can't tell the difference in since we are listening to everything through a different speaker! Wow..I would give more thumbs down if I could. Was excited to finally hear a good comparison review.
Can't tell the difference... lol
HAHAHAHA SOUNDS THE SAME !
I love jbl
This is stupid. You cannot expect to stream music via the internet, to my "whatever" speakers and expect to make a direct comparison. These videos have no relevance.
They both sound like my headphones...weird
And yet most all of us can hear subtle differences in these comparison videos. As expressed in the comment sections. Even I can, and one of my ears is totally screwed up.
wow both are surprisingly lacking bass
@Uztakfuer did you even watch the end of this video? He posts frequency response graphs. You can SEE the lack of bass. After 100hz it drops like a stone.
Just a Facelift.
No difference to hear with ears at all.
unclog your ears bro
R-51M clearly better