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  • Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
  • My dear friend souL - one of the top european players - recently reached out to me, saying that TvP just cannot be right the way it is and that early Probe damage just does not matter. Am I really playing an overpowered and disgusting IMBA race? Or can someone of his caliber suck as well? Hit like & subscribe to find out!
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Комментарии • 472

  • @Harstem
    @Harstem  3 года назад +1159

    As a community we create the environment in which top sc2 players feel comfortable to submit a replay on a show like this. The potential for negative feedback/backlash is always there and that could discourage other top players from submitting. So please be kind and leave the roasting to the professionals ;)

    • @skipperg4436
      @skipperg4436 3 года назад +64

      I wish one day I'll be good enough to submit a replay for Harstem's review, but now whenever I watch my replays I see so many mistakes its just constant facepalm (even though Lurkers are imba xD that's not why I'm loosing games LOL)

    • @KoolMeester2
      @KoolMeester2 3 года назад +10

      I got the 69th like

    • @viniciussardenberg706
      @viniciussardenberg706 3 года назад +6

      Now this is what we call a Very high level complaint i did not expect the sydrome to affect even Soul

    • @aaronfuentes5919
      @aaronfuentes5919 3 года назад +5

      A professional & a gentleman you are, 'hammy'. I hope there is a long future for this series of imbas, & sucking.

    • @noneofyourbusiness4133
      @noneofyourbusiness4133 3 года назад +1

      Sure thing! I don’t play the game (only ever played the campaign, some gimmicky costom maps, and the arcade) but I know general RTS strategies!
      From that I can say that starting at around 2:55 he starts to get too focused on the reaper micro and floats up to 350(!) minerals and nearly 150 gas! This probably put him behind by a dozen or so seconds, as he isn’t able to bring his resources down to good levels until around 3:10-3:20 ish. It’s clear he’s exceptionally good! But in gameplay this tight, it just makes even the slightest bit of slack easy to see. It’s like how on a perfectly smooth surface it’s easy to see even the minutest of scratches!

  • @migueljuan5374
    @migueljuan5374 3 года назад +783

    Finally, another known GM making a complaint.
    We need more of this.

    • @morty908
      @morty908 3 года назад +33

      But not too many because the low level IODIS are the funniest.

    • @TheGahta
      @TheGahta 3 года назад +7

      @@morty908, eah at this point I mandate okwo l. as analyst for pro coverage

    • @rawjor
      @rawjor 3 года назад +1

      protoss is overtuned now

    • @anarchosnowflakist786
      @anarchosnowflakist786 3 года назад +11

      I'm still dreaming about serral clem or reynor submitting

    • @aliaytek3276
      @aliaytek3276 3 года назад +2

      @@anarchosnowflakist786 reynor submitting his game as zerg imbalanced xd

  • @Devinfrbs
    @Devinfrbs 3 года назад +375

    Soul probably was like "Free coaching!"

    • @alistairbolden6340
      @alistairbolden6340 2 года назад +10

      I really think Harstem is a much better coach than he is player, hes a very very good player but often lacks that killer edge the likes of Dark and Parting and HerO have that allows them to win when its most important. Harstem has such a great wealth of knowlage. He understands the little details so well but I think he gets effected by nerves and often doubts himself.

  • @williamduan2322
    @williamduan2322 3 года назад +330

    and then a bar code Terran account shows up during Harstem's stream and takes all his ladder point

  • @adamdonnelly9794
    @adamdonnelly9794 3 года назад +416

    Props to Soul for submitting, made it a really interesting episode. Everyone sucks from time to time ;

    • @zes3813
      @zes3813 3 года назад

      no such thign as sucx,, cepux, any s perfx

    • @ZephrymWOW
      @ZephrymWOW 2 года назад +3

      @@zes3813 wat?

    • @dannygjk
      @dannygjk 2 года назад +4

      @@ZephrymWOW Maybe he had a stroke.

    • @xMickx
      @xMickx Год назад +2

      @@dannygjk xDD

  • @ybk9698
    @ybk9698 3 года назад +224

    18:48 "This is like buying radar technology for 50 million and having a blind guy man it." OMG I AM DYING

    • @hypothalapotamus5293
      @hypothalapotamus5293 3 года назад +11

      USN: We've got some ships with really awesome S-band radar that you could use as your flagship. It's some of the best in the world.
      Rear Admiral Callaghan: What about that one?
      USN: That one has a potato with two wires attached.
      Rear Admiral Callaghan: Great. I'll use it as my flagship.

    • @drewaforbes
      @drewaforbes 3 года назад

      @@hypothalapotamus5293 That was beautiful.

    • @asharak84
      @asharak84 2 года назад +1

      This is basically how my scouting always goes. I see stuff, have no idea what it means, and go on my merry way. About the only reason I bother is occasionally me scouting stuff seems to tilt the opponent who wanted it to be a surprise. Thing is, it still will be a surprise, I've no idea what I'm looking for! OK, fine, see DT shrine I know to add detection or whatever, but beyond that...

  • @zzvbm
    @zzvbm 3 года назад +364

    After 13 years of my YT sign up, Harstem is the only one that actually makes pressing the notification bell worth while.

    • @ZelonLiger
      @ZelonLiger 3 года назад

      think im gonna try it

    • @aval3000
      @aval3000 3 года назад

      Amén to that!

    • @zes3813
      @zes3813 3 года назад

      wrr

    • @derekshaw1693
      @derekshaw1693 2 года назад +1

      You know what, I just check his channel every day. This bell thing sounds like an ok idea

  • @wanderhillen2435
    @wanderhillen2435 3 года назад +166

    I really liked Harstem going "nitpicking" and showing how detail focused you really need to be to get into pro level territory.

    • @floriancazacu4504
      @floriancazacu4504 3 года назад +2

      @JM Coulon You really think that's what you need to improve? Please submit your replay to IODIS :P

    • @tilmanvogel2387
      @tilmanvogel2387 3 года назад

      @JM Coulon I think he has a side channel where he exclusively casts pro games. I know it's not the same as this video, but in case you didn't know, here you go.

    • @warwickthekingmaker7281
      @warwickthekingmaker7281 2 года назад

      It's not that nitpicky I think. It was really telling how the macro mistakes Harstem pointed out caused the game to go like it did. If Souls macro had been on point, he'd be able to stay ahead in eco and not be in trouble at all. Instead he gets the eco of a player who is going all in and the army of a player who is ecoing.

  • @quinn1756
    @quinn1756 3 года назад +151

    "The colossi is basically the hard no to mines it's like the don't do drugs except instead of your random city cop coming to tell you that at your high school it's like a guy that comes to your house every night and shoots you if you smoked weed that day."

    • @gizka6816
      @gizka6816 3 года назад +18

      when the let duterte drive the laser giraffe

    • @stoic521
      @stoic521 3 года назад +5

      @@gizka6816 When the medevac comes but instead of healing you it gives you a free helicopter ride.

  • @blacknyellow962
    @blacknyellow962 3 года назад +162

    I suppose there probably won't be any "I'm Silver and I play better than this" comments this time

    • @Kilesfactor
      @Kilesfactor 3 года назад +41

      I’m Sliver II Terran and I play better than this.
      There, can I go back to massing BC’s?

    •  3 года назад +8

      @@Kilesfactor Turtle behind a mine field into mass BCs!

    • @Ole_Rasmussen
      @Ole_Rasmussen 3 года назад +6

      @@Kilesfactor I'm massing BCs in dia1 keep it up brother!

    • @derrickmelton5844
      @derrickmelton5844 3 года назад +5

      I am gold, and I know I don't play better than this.
      In fact I probably make that same mistake Soul made 90% of my games; I pull off a really successful harass and make the wrong moves after the fact dissolving any lead I may have had.

    • @henryviiifake8244
      @henryviiifake8244 3 года назад +1

      @@Kilesfactor Doing the Lord's work 😌

  • @mar98co1
    @mar98co1 3 года назад +151

    I want to see a submission by Harstem himself. A game you felt was unfair, with complaint mail and all. Then review it yourself (or even let someone else review).
    Just to see what the captain thinks is (the closest thing to) imba.

    • @lad4694
      @lad4694 3 года назад +18

      Or his gf reviewing it🤩🤩

    • @joaoteixeira8349
      @joaoteixeira8349 3 года назад +34

      let lowko review it

    • @danielskrivan6921
      @danielskrivan6921 3 года назад +6

      @@joaoteixeira8349 Or MaxPax.

    • @spagettech
      @spagettech 3 года назад +11

      @@joaoteixeira8349 okwo L would be up for it I feel

    • @joaoteixeira8349
      @joaoteixeira8349 3 года назад +1

      @@danielskrivan6921 was maxpax featured in a iodis before?

  • @AxelDerAlptraumraech
    @AxelDerAlptraumraech 3 года назад +123

    When a 13 minute high-GM-game turns into a half hour episode you know you're in for a good one

  • @ramil8029
    @ramil8029 3 года назад +33

    "Piotr, submit your game to my IODIS," he said.
    "It will be fun," he said.

  • @torstenpowers
    @torstenpowers 3 года назад +26

    Major shoutout to Hamster for the top notch editing & info boxes! This is some high level stuff right here

  • @JarmamStuff
    @JarmamStuff 3 года назад +48

    Amazing entry to IODIS. Cheers to soul for submitting this rep

  • @RobertBMenke
    @RobertBMenke 3 года назад +144

    We need Serral to write in complaining about mootas being broken in ZvZ

    • @Necrocidal
      @Necrocidal 3 года назад +29

      Serral to write in about the insane long game he had with Harstem that ended in a draw

    • @ledrash6079
      @ledrash6079 3 года назад +4

      @@Necrocidal Haha i hoped for that as well.

    • @joshuadalton6063
      @joshuadalton6063 3 года назад +6

      *mootaliski

    • @henryviiifake8244
      @henryviiifake8244 3 года назад +3

      @@Necrocidal Lmao that would be epic.
      Current World #40 forced stalemate from current World #1 (taking turns with Clem, apparently) 😅

    • @teddanville6996
      @teddanville6996 3 года назад +3

      if milktalist is broken in ZvZ, isn't that mean people will do milkta vs milkta, like how PvP like to do Phoenix vs Phoenix?

  • @idodeclare6804
    @idodeclare6804 3 года назад +178

    i'm watching someone who are more than twice of my mmr getting called suck lol

    • @Doeff8
      @Doeff8 3 года назад +12

      triple here :-)

    • @zadiel9570
      @zadiel9570 3 года назад +5

      @@Doeff8 dam

    • @ivanmarquez2218
      @ivanmarquez2218 3 года назад +10

      Really ilustrates how far behind we are in skill, eh?

    • @ZeroMetal
      @ZeroMetal 3 года назад +9

      if they suck then what are we?

    • @irrelevant_noob
      @irrelevant_noob 3 года назад +6

      @I do declare although the suck is relative, there are way higher expectations at their MMR than at yours. ;-)

  • @hawkenparker
    @hawkenparker 3 года назад +33

    Probably one of my favorite episodes of all time... Thank you Soul, Thanks Harstem. Love you guys.

  • @Bhaalg0rn
    @Bhaalg0rn 3 года назад +93

    Dear Harstem,
    o7, I don't know if you doing this sort of analysis in high level games is a viable "business model" for you as a creator, but I really hope you do this again -- in some frequency, cause it really scratched an itch I couldn't scratch since Day9 stopped his dailies.
    Best,
    A sailor

    • @Fabelaz
      @Fabelaz 3 года назад +2

      Oh man those were the good days.

    • @florianfechner7973
      @florianfechner7973 3 года назад +3

      actually so much yes, now that you mentioned it i really felt that

    • @hypothalapotamus5293
      @hypothalapotamus5293 3 года назад +1

      I totally don't think that this is a viable business model for him as a creator (I quit youtube after getting way more views per vid than him on my main account), but I did enjoy the video.

    • @Bhaalg0rn
      @Bhaalg0rn 3 года назад

      @@hypothalapotamus5293 Now I am really curious about your identity friend :P

  • @st4rk1113r
    @st4rk1113r 3 года назад +64

    I'm curious to see Soul's reaction

  • @r.t.hannah9575
    @r.t.hannah9575 3 года назад +80

    Like my dad, you can never make Harstem proud.

    • @Thermoresist
      @Thermoresist 3 года назад +1

      XD

    • @thule1823
      @thule1823 3 года назад +14

      I'm so sorry to hear your dad never could make Harstem proud.

    • @zes3813
      @zes3813 3 года назад

      no such thing as make or proud or etc, cepuxyuax, infix proud, perfx nmw

  • @danielskrivan6921
    @danielskrivan6921 3 года назад +33

    10:00 That's one thing I love about the series - you cater the comments based on the league. Except that one time that the winner submitted it undee the loser's name. You ripped that guy to shreds.

    • @tilmanvogel2387
      @tilmanvogel2387 3 года назад +6

    • @danielskrivan6921
      @danielskrivan6921 3 года назад

      @@tilmanvogel2387 I don't remember, but it alludes to it in the title.

    • @tilmanvogel2387
      @tilmanvogel2387 3 года назад +2

      @@danielskrivan6921 i'll check the playlist then, thanks!

    • @tomdabomb999
      @tomdabomb999 3 года назад +5

      @@tilmanvogel2387 (To add extra information, when Harstem realised what had happened he offered the victim free coaching)

    • @danielskrivan6921
      @danielskrivan6921 3 года назад +2

      @@tomdabomb999 Harstem is da man.

  • @kacciocciacciara
    @kacciocciacciara 3 года назад +19

    You're just 7 places behind souL! Great job Captain!!

  • @Sara_Feingold
    @Sara_Feingold 3 года назад +20

    Really enjoyed watching this one. Hope to see more top-level players on IODIS in the future :D

  • @Szerspliexiust
    @Szerspliexiust 3 года назад +90

    the editor is gonna be gm soon with all this coaching going on

    • @hamster_designs
      @hamster_designs 3 года назад +65

      Yeah... You'd expect that. And here I am, still stuck in D3 D:

    • @ryedralisk8620
      @ryedralisk8620 3 года назад +45

      @@hamster_designs maybe you should send a replay to Harstem, I heard he has a series where he judges players' replays and is edited by a fantastic editor :D

    • @jk-pc1iv
      @jk-pc1iv 3 года назад +8

      Hamster bester Mann 👌👌👌

    • @BBQLord
      @BBQLord 3 года назад +9

      @@ryedralisk8620 Haha, that would be the best, and then the editor goes full god-mode in Harstem's video because he gets to edit it. XD

    • @hamster_designs
      @hamster_designs 3 года назад +17

      @@ryedralisk8620 Well... I snuck in a replay of myself in the pilot episode of Rank Roulette (ruclips.net/video/mhKbokzstu0/видео.html) and let's just say, he definitely did NOT rate me GM xD

  • @generaljules2059
    @generaljules2059 3 года назад +15

    The next IODIS complaint may come from Solar for the map Oblivion.

    • @Junebug89
      @Junebug89 3 года назад +1

      lol, I think we can safely say Oblivion was imbalanced

  • @AFryingPan
    @AFryingPan 3 года назад +158

    Why doesn't soul just play like Maru

    • @aitordominguezcomin9147
      @aitordominguezcomin9147 3 года назад +18

      Because he doesn’t wanna have nightmeres about disruptors xD

    • @tornagh9200
      @tornagh9200 3 года назад +1

      Maru can't beat Protoss either sadly

    • @AFryingPan
      @AFryingPan 3 года назад +7

      @@tornagh9200 play like Cure? Lmao

    • @tigera6
      @tigera6 3 года назад +7

      @@tornagh9200 Recency bias, Maru literally lost ONE single TvP series in 2021 before the Code S Group on Monday. sOs and Zoun play great PvT as well.

    • @aaronfuentes5919
      @aaronfuentes5919 3 года назад

      How bout d dat BYUN doh?

  • @IgnatRemizov
    @IgnatRemizov 3 года назад +6

    Amazing video! Thanks Soul for submitting the replay, and thank you Harstem for covering it. This was very entertaining and educational!

  • @percyx4224
    @percyx4224 3 года назад +61

    I'm surprised soul would even send in a replay to this series

    • @skipperg4436
      @skipperg4436 3 года назад +28

      Why? Harstem did really good job of looking at this replay

    • @BBQLord
      @BBQLord 3 года назад +19

      Everyone, even the best of pros, need a Dutch person telling them they suck in their lives.

    • @irontorch4186
      @irontorch4186 3 года назад +8

      free coaching

    • @skipperg4436
      @skipperg4436 3 года назад +13

      @@irontorch4186 not exactly free: you pay for it with your ego xD

    • @mousedubz6746
      @mousedubz6746 3 года назад +5

      @@skipperg4436 Pro players need to learn to not have an ego, that's what everyone who is asked what to do to become a pro says. "Stay humble so you can improve." Confidence: OK! Cockiness: No no! And I can agree with it coming from sports since I got my butt kicked due to having an ego.

  • @christiandang8695
    @christiandang8695 3 года назад +45

    AHAHA I can’t believe soul got in on this

  • @damedley75
    @damedley75 3 года назад +4

    Info boxes on screen very helpful and a sign that you value your viewers' time.

  • @LasseLundster
    @LasseLundster 3 года назад +8

    This video is like a sneak peak of all the things Harstem actually notice in his own games when tryharding

    • @BBQLord
      @BBQLord 3 года назад +1

      That's the only thing that makes sense because he's always "afraid'. It's like his permanent mood. Man, I'm happy I don't understand SC2 well enough to be afraid of the things Harstem sees or anticipates. XD

  • @dylangreen9995
    @dylangreen9995 3 года назад +11

    This is probably the best one yet. I absolutely love harstem and his videos. Thanks for giving me a sliver of joy in a world so bleak. ❤️

  • @Aristocrat15
    @Aristocrat15 3 года назад +3

    Omg I loved this IODIS so much, there's roasting and there's really high level information that I never knew before today. Please continue to mix some of these in every now and then captain!

  • @MetalMan1245
    @MetalMan1245 3 года назад +11

    Micro like my grandma is now my favorite catchphrase.

  • @DeanCulver17
    @DeanCulver17 3 года назад +3

    The twinkle in Kevin’s eye when the camera zooms in, “… or if you suck.” 😂

  • @l.a.w.5738
    @l.a.w.5738 3 года назад +13

    6200 GM EU Terran here. While I do think PvT is slightly Toss favoured, this game is a classic example of reading the opponent completelywrong. The bio amount (or mine) was never at a critical mass when you are comfortable fighting this much zealots / phoenix.
    For me, the strenght of protoss lies within the wide array of playstyle they can force upon a Terran that are not easy to spot, even at higher levels. Differentiating between a greedy build or a pressure timing is sometimes only a bunch of missed gates, forges or a tech building. Furthermore Protoss has per se no bad units to combat Terran (apart from adepts maybe) and can basically transition into whatever comp they prefer to play. Terran on the other hand is rather one dimensional and bound to bio play after the openening phase. Only once supreme lategame (6+ bases) is running, Terran catches up since mech /skye and stationary defenses help a lot to support bio.
    I am by no means a progamer, since I am already 38, but strategically I feel Terran is slightly trailing Protoss in the mid-game (where a lot of games tend to go if a Protoss is skilled at holding early pressure).

  • @MartinGrozny
    @MartinGrozny 3 года назад +13

    Only thing i could think of while watching this was my favorite Reynor moment when Harstem interviewed him while playing against souL, and Lambo jumped into the call.
    R: Can you tell him to leave?
    L: I dont know what you are doing?
    R: I'm playing against Piotr, but HE'S NOT LEAVING!

  • @MrMarcetti
    @MrMarcetti 3 года назад +18

    This helped me understand the differences required in the top 10% between a win and a loss. Great content as always!

    • @senside
      @senside 3 года назад +9

      Noo this is top 0.1%

  • @potenviking
    @potenviking 3 года назад +3

    I remember the game of Harstem vs Soul at Dreamhack Summer Europe, Soul was such a crazy motherf, absolutely destroyed the captain. So i know you can do better, man! Keep up the good work!

  • @ikocheratcr
    @ikocheratcr 3 года назад +3

    Hi level analysis like this really help to understand the game even more. I love SC, but sometimes I do not understand the details on why x player lost or won. The little nitty details you went thru are gold to learn, even if one does not have enough MMR to be in ladder ;)
    I hope you get a change to do more like this.

  • @Telegrapf
    @Telegrapf 3 года назад +3

    "Gives you some breeding room as a terran." - Harstem, 21:17 ,2021
    :^)

  • @irrelevant_noob
    @irrelevant_noob 3 года назад +4

    28:28 is THIS the future of iodis? :-) Because if it is, it'd be more entertaining than just watching ESL. xD

  • @joelhair9982
    @joelhair9982 3 года назад +1

    25:00 this might be my favourite Harstem analogy ever

  • @margblarp9426
    @margblarp9426 3 года назад +4

    Harstem should submit his own replay to himself one day. That might be the ultimate is it imba or do I suck episode. Especially because it would be cast in the 3rd person which is awesome.

    • @ManAtPogo
      @ManAtPogo 3 года назад +2

      he kinda did that with his dreamhack matches

    • @AlexanderVRadev
      @AlexanderVRadev 3 года назад +1

      Someone submitted a game against harstem on his alt account. It was fun. :)

  • @EpicJuiceFilms
    @EpicJuiceFilms 3 года назад +2

    Lots of great points, awesome to see the nitpicking of high level plays - I just think its funny to see harstem coaching/roasting when his terran is about 1.5k lower than souls - (harstem sits around 5.3k Terran where soul is close to 6.8k)

  • @darnokx9277
    @darnokx9277 2 года назад

    Great episode, thanks for everybody involved!
    That dirty grin at the beginning... :D

  • @northerncrozz8449
    @northerncrozz8449 Год назад

    OMG Harstem my respect for how you handled this entry! Great entertainment. Holy shit just realized this vid is 1 year old. where have i been

  • @饅頭象
    @饅頭象 3 года назад +5

    1:00 that perfect smile LOL

  • @stephencraig3176
    @stephencraig3176 3 года назад +1

    The bit i love is when it's showing the aligulac player ratings we are shown just enough to see soul rank 32... harstem rank 39 :D

  • @ebbethinggaard
    @ebbethinggaard 3 года назад +2

    Great episode! Its an other worldly experience thinking of all the things you could do better even when your at the top of the world.

  • @VenusTube
    @VenusTube 3 года назад +1

    excellent episode

  • @supaTortoise
    @supaTortoise 3 года назад

    This was a very interesting perspective to watch. Cool seeing IODIS commentary all the way at the top.

  • @extruss_9553
    @extruss_9553 3 года назад +2

    Does Harstem do coaching? I feel that this series is a perfect critique of all the leagues! What to do and what not to do on one’s on road to grandmaster.

  • @ChukSum
    @ChukSum 3 года назад

    Great video, regards from a Belgian fan you met in the Netherlands not so long ago :D

  • @KeppyKep
    @KeppyKep 3 года назад +3

    Love the super high-level analysis. Would be awesome if we had more of that, maybe in a different series.
    Seems to me that soul got a bit over-confident. He killed all those probes, and at that point mentally decided he'd already won the game (a fair enough thing to do). But that meant he then got overconfident in the fights, and ignored the things he saw (big toss army) that countered the mental picture he'd already built.

    • @joseph_pokemon
      @joseph_pokemon 3 года назад

      exactly...we only see what we want to see

  • @tabbyyoo9987
    @tabbyyoo9987 3 года назад +1

    Love the high level replay!! Hope more will submit for your guidance!!
    Also, I want to be a colossus to a mine please!!

  • @NGNBoone
    @NGNBoone 3 года назад +5

    If I may approach the bar on behalf of Mr. Soul:
    The case is not whether the Terran made any mistakes, but whether the Protoss' ability to recover via Chrono Boosts is imbalanced relative to the Terran's abilities. As you note at 12:40, thirty extra seconds for the Protoss, with three Nexus, means three extra Chrono Boosts. Each Boost lasts twenty seconds, and will decrease the amount of time to produce a probe from 12 seconds to 8, meaning over those thirty seconds the Protoss can construct almost 12 probes instead of 7 1/2. The number of Chrono Boosts available being tied to the number of Nexus means it is harder to punish a greedy Protoss player in the early game. That is undeniable.
    Because Mr. Harstem did not consider this core argument of the case, I ask that this matter be remanded to a lower court pending a ruling on this issue.

    • @chainsawfreak
      @chainsawfreak 3 года назад +1

      maybe, but soul had a late third and didn't consistently produce workers either. If he had a faster third and produced workers consistently, when he would get the third down he would still be ahead in economy because of mules and probably more workers. His other option would have been faster barracks and then push with stim and kill the Protoss third, he could have gone either way but unfortunately was late with both.

    • @TrueThanny
      @TrueThanny 3 года назад

      Not only did he consider it, he covered it in extensive detail.
      The only reason Krystianer could afford to chrono all those probes is that Soul forgot to macro behind the attack. He didn't have the extra barracks, and hadn't started research on stim and combat shields. He didn't start a third command center. There's nothing he could have done after the Hellion attack, so there's no reason for Krystianer to do anything _but_ chrono probes to get back in the game.

    • @NGNBoone
      @NGNBoone 3 года назад +1

      ​@@TrueThanny A slow barracks is a mistake, but does it rise to the level of not guarding your probes/ having 22 killed?
      Soul hasn't paid me yet for this defense, but I would posit that explaining how Ghost lost the game doesn't address whether it's imbalanced. That's circular logic - if the game's rules are balanced and fair simply because they're rules, then nothing can be inbalanced. There will always be reasons things go from Point A to Point B.
      To say we can only recognize imbalance if a person makes no mistakes - if they play a perfect game - we create an impossible and unjustifiable burden of proof. We move from deciding between imba and suck to simply pointing out how someone sucks.
      ..This is more time I thought I would think about this game, lol

    • @TrueThanny
      @TrueThanny 3 года назад

      @@NGNBoone Yes, it's the same level, because it allows those probes to be rebuilt.
      It didn't cost him the game. It just cost him his early advantage. He lost the game due to taking bad fights.

    • @AlexanderVRadev
      @AlexanderVRadev 3 года назад +1

      Here is what he did consider and said. Terran forgot to build his third base and was floating 1000 resources while that hellion drop was happening. Not to mention he was 7 workers behind for 2 minutes with less than 40 workers eco. That should have been 3 base vs 3 base with mules when the Hellion drop ended. The terran then can go fast forth base and get double the protoss eco. Or build for a fast follow up attack forcing the Protoss to invest into tech, defenses and arm, so he can't crono workers. Insttead of that Soul probably went for a beer to celebrate the 20 workers killed and did nothing for a whole minute.

  • @teenspirit1
    @teenspirit1 3 года назад +3

    I didn't know "Super GM" was a thing in Starcraft. I've been hearing it a lot in chess recently.

    • @caloreen1992
      @caloreen1992 3 года назад

      There's actually a huge difference in skill between low GM-Mid GM. Even between high GM and top 20 there is a large skill gap.

    • @Galahad54
      @Galahad54 3 года назад

      I once played for U.S. Chess Championship. Difference between making the tournament and winning the tournament is ... huge. Hyper aggression to get there - failed hyper aggression vs. the best. At least with chess AI, I can pinpoint my mistakes vs. up to 2350 ELO U.S. Above that, the AI doesn't know either a lot of the time. SC2, I had very little clue in this game, except too high resources and late this/that. Stats is a Protoss Super GM.

  • @michaelrusso8033
    @michaelrusso8033 3 года назад

    Good LORD that line at 25:00 had me in tears

  • @micjotar
    @micjotar 2 года назад

    the future of this format is bright, so fun to watch :) keep up the great content

  • @linkten4108
    @linkten4108 3 года назад +3

    best cast so far, maybe you should cast all those pro games. soul owns you a thank you.

  • @cobble3231
    @cobble3231 3 года назад +2

    7:00 Both players have the exact same number of gas on the pause

  • @thearchives2691
    @thearchives2691 3 года назад +1

    The "Don't Do Drugs" analogy made my cry I laughed so hard.

  • @Dathelac
    @Dathelac 3 года назад +3

    IODIS is the best thing i've ever seen , no joke. I wish there were more episodes : )

  • @Krarilotus
    @Krarilotus 3 года назад +10

    i wanna see clem in this series when he looses to zerg a 3rd time!

  • @Mel-he9dh
    @Mel-he9dh 3 года назад +4

    17:06 missed opportunity for a "Where did you study tactics boy?" joke.

    • @fulldisclosureiamamonster2786
      @fulldisclosureiamamonster2786 3 года назад +1

      Harstem's too young and unboomery to know SC1 memes.
      _We have to steer the Gantrithor into a collision course with his brain_

    • @AlexanderVRadev
      @AlexanderVRadev 3 года назад

      "Florencio's science school for kids that can;t macro well" ;)

  • @ChumbisDilliams
    @ChumbisDilliams 3 года назад +1

    Kudos to Soul for submitting to this treatment! He should put on his CV that he "sucks, but not too bad. just a little suck." because that's the best we can hope for on this progrum.

  • @blessyou3999
    @blessyou3999 3 года назад +1

    if I haven't miscounted, we have 3 GM lvl videos all vs Protoss....
    are there also GM Toss that send you something?
    Or do we have a "toss is imba" after all? ( at least on Gm-Master lvl)

  • @julianbaumann60
    @julianbaumann60 3 года назад +6

    Did u guys see Parting vs Solar? I want an IODIS episode about the pylon block in game 1.

    • @mousedubz6746
      @mousedubz6746 3 года назад +1

      LOL true, I was like wtf...in that situation, first time seeing it probably, I don't think there was any reaction that could ever do really good...ofc in hindsight you could analyze...but I feel like that can be called imba...in all fairness...and I blame GSL and Blizzard for not checking stuff like this. I'm sure they will after that game from now on. :D

    • @missbelled6700
      @missbelled6700 3 года назад

      When a match is unforgettable for all the wrong reasons.... Might be PartinG's dirtiest strat of all time, so glad I saw it live.

    • @missbelled6700
      @missbelled6700 3 года назад

      @JM Coulon from the lastest GSL broadcast (2021 GSL S2 Code S RO16 Group D), Parting/Solar starts around 53 minutes.

    • @mousedubz6746
      @mousedubz6746 3 года назад

      @JM Coulon yerterday's gsl code s group d parting vs solar

    • @missbelled6700
      @missbelled6700 3 года назад

      @JM Coulon Be sure to watch the player cameras too :)

  • @noneofyourbusiness4133
    @noneofyourbusiness4133 3 года назад +3

    I don’t play the game (only ever played the campaign, some gimmicky costom maps, and the arcade) but I know general RTS strategies!
    From that I can say that starting at around 2:55 he starts to get too focused on the reaper micro and floats up to 350(!) minerals and nearly 150 gas! This probably put him behind by a dozen or so seconds, as he isn’t able to bring his resources down to good levels until around 3:10-3:20 ish. It’s clear he’s exceptionally good! But in gameplay this tight, it just makes even the slightest bit of slack easy to see. It’s like how on a perfectly smooth surface it’s easy to see even the minutest of scratches!

  • @creeptumor
    @creeptumor Год назад

    10:22 "This is the high level, baby" has me DYING

  • @ravitharakawijesekara770
    @ravitharakawijesekara770 3 года назад +1

    Now if we can get Serral, Trap and Maru sending in IODISes, it would be a good finale for the series. "You maybe the best in the world, but still you SUCK"

  • @ross.metcalf
    @ross.metcalf 2 года назад

    For the first five minutes of this I thought you were joking and the guy who submitted was just another high level player also named soul. Wow, so cool that it was actually the real soul. I wish more top players would send them in! Very interesting and fun to watch.

  • @Herold_sc2
    @Herold_sc2 3 года назад +1

    Amazing episode, thanks for the submission soul

  • @ErenisRanitos
    @ErenisRanitos 3 года назад +8

    Captain Harstem being amazing once again

  • @aresagathos2075
    @aresagathos2075 3 года назад +6

    One of the best episodes so far.

  • @CoolCraftCool
    @CoolCraftCool 3 года назад +4

    So in game time 4:57 we see Terran have a 14 worker lead after killing 22 probes. In just 1 minute and 20 seconds we see Protoss take the worker lead again thats so fast!

    • @AlexanderVRadev
      @AlexanderVRadev 3 года назад +1

      No its not too fast. The Protoss was about 7 workers ahead for few minutes before the hellion drop, which is 25-30% more. With Mules call it 20% ahead in mining. That lets you get a third Nexus while the Terran is investing in the hellion drop and looses all of the units. After the drop the Terran had 2 CCs producing workers and the Protoss had 3 nexus with Crono, so that is 4 probes for every 2 SCVs every 11 seconds or so.
      It looks unfair, but it only looks like it because the Terran let it happen. If he had started the third CC instead of float 600 minerals it would be 3 base vs 3 base with mules. The Terran then can get a forth base and get infinitely ahead in workers if he lets the Protoss alone to crono workers on 3 base. Or alternatively make infrastructure and tech as Harstem points out forcing the Protoss to spend money in tech and crono Charge or e wiped, while being 14 workers behind in a 3v3 base scenario. Soul just did not build his third base and floated nearly 1000 resources while microing the hellion drop.

    • @CoolCraftCool
      @CoolCraftCool 3 года назад +2

      @@AlexanderVRadev Thats the point though how can you have money to build all the probs and crank out an army and have new tec coming up it just seems like a lot given he has to rebuild a whole base worth of workers.

    • @AlexanderVRadev
      @AlexanderVRadev 3 года назад +1

      @@CoolCraftCool Yeah that's the point. You don't! He was 7 workers ahead for 2 minutes prior to the attack because Soul put everything he had into that drop and forgot to build his third. The army was already out at that point. The tech was not started until a minutes after the attack and all Protoss did for a minute and a half was crono Probes and build a few gates. If the third was done as it should have been whe nthe drop was clean instead of the Terran floating 1000 resources at that point, then a minute later he would have been at 4 bases and 90 workers or had 3 times bigger army and just ended the game.

    • @CoolCraftCool
      @CoolCraftCool 3 года назад +2

      @@AlexanderVRadev Which is about right protoss have crono and Terran have Mules. If he's not 5+ workers up against Terran with 2 orbitals he would be behind. Soul is 30s late acourding to Harstern which is 2.5 SCVs its not in anyway shape or form the 14 Protoss needs to catch up. Watching it for like the 6th time it seems to me to be not swaping the Barracks and Factory cranking out cheap little mines to keep the Phenixs back and be able to start stim early would have been huge but even then the speed at which Protoss catches up just seems crazy.

    • @jamesrruff
      @jamesrruff 2 года назад

      @@CoolCraftCool Catches up at the cost of no army supply... very risky play, opportunistically taken based on response to info gathered.

  • @chir0pter
    @chir0pter 3 года назад +1

    10:00 really crazy how many different things you have to consider in as a top level sc2 player. and sort of in a mathematical fashion as well

  • @Hoody1147
    @Hoody1147 3 года назад

    I felt like soul and I were equals in that moment.... "you suck!" :D

  • @HolyReality
    @HolyReality 2 года назад

    Soul will never send you another video 😭
    I would love to see more videos where you break down grandmaster play and get into the higher level stuff.

  • @zarlus8
    @zarlus8 3 года назад

    "and what does souL decide to do?"
    Idk, all in attack?
    ...
    "keep going on the rocks"
    😲😂

  • @BernhardWeber-l5b
    @BernhardWeber-l5b 3 года назад

    ROFL I just learned that the armory is what makes the mines invisible. What the hell.

  • @diceteasflightschool6214
    @diceteasflightschool6214 2 года назад

    I am extremely happy to see what mino details come into play. I think if you can, you should go to Soul and say "Thank you" to him, for sending this in. It is VERY hard to see thie actual level of play, since most people tend to be very dismissive of everything on the internet aka keyboard warriors. As a pro player, it is harder again. I am VERY happy that soul sent this in, and we should thank him, also to encourage other players to do this.

  • @danielskrivan6921
    @danielskrivan6921 3 года назад +19

    Funny thing is that Soul is higher ranked on Aligulac than Harstem. So if Soul sucks, what does that say about the Captain?

    • @ezet
      @ezet 3 года назад +4

      @@t3h8ar0n Yup. Even Magnus Carlsen has a coach, who obviously isn't better than him in chess

    • @BionicOne1
      @BionicOne1 3 года назад +2

      Also he is just saying he sucked at this game.

    • @tigera6
      @tigera6 3 года назад

      @@ezet Then why caster keep trashing twitch chat when they offer their view/opinion on gameplay? Shit like you are not GM, you should pretty much shut up.

    • @ulfjohnsen6203
      @ulfjohnsen6203 3 года назад +1

      Old saying: «Those who cannot do, teach»

    • @dominikmagnus
      @dominikmagnus 3 года назад +1

      @@tigera6 because not everyone is qualified to do coaching (or just giving good advice).
      The "Analysis/Coaching of X does not require that you yourself be good at X" statement doesn't equal to "Everyone, who's not good at X is good at coaching/analysis".

  • @Hurtone
    @Hurtone 3 года назад

    Wow this was extremely good analysis. I played for 10 years and never learned so much so fast as in these vids.

  • @droidBasher
    @droidBasher 3 года назад

    "He's being lazy, queuing up SCVs"
    Meanwhile I queue up 5 SCVs at new expansion, 5 at home base, then wait for minerals so I can un-supply block myself.

  • @cptfwiffo
    @cptfwiffo 3 года назад +1

    Hey Harstem, is your Audio bad or do I suck at listening?
    (with you moving around not speaking into the mike, the sound levels jump around a bit. Some words just fall off. Listen with low sound and notice that sometimes it's not hearable)

  • @baumes_baum8054
    @baumes_baum8054 3 года назад +21

    the feeling when even soul sucks :(

    • @henryviiifake8244
      @henryviiifake8244 3 года назад

      Me in Gold League: "So you're saying there's a chance?😏"

    • @zes3813
      @zes3813 3 года назад

      wrr, any s perfx

  • @tunganhnguyen7534
    @tunganhnguyen7534 3 года назад +1

    Back in HOTS, if Terran sees phoenixes, they always sit back. You can't harass against Phoenixes. You actually want to sit back and win in 1 big fight, because for any fight you lose, the phoenixes will run you down hard.

  • @polgol6741
    @polgol6741 3 года назад +1

    Hello Harstem from Poland and England. All the best ! hf gl.

  • @hermeticinstrumentalist6804
    @hermeticinstrumentalist6804 3 года назад

    Your critiques are always a joy to watch.
    Not sucking at heart, lol.

  • @frostman9661
    @frostman9661 3 года назад +1

    This is epic! You're hilarious man!

  • @jk-pc1iv
    @jk-pc1iv 3 года назад +2

    Just awesome content!!! Keep it up

  • @vmgNarra
    @vmgNarra 3 года назад +17

    I feel Soul. This is how my every TvP looks like

    • @jt8936
      @jt8936 3 года назад +1

      If it does then all gm terrans need to focus on macro like a gold player and not floading 500 minerals which is a lot in gm league. If ur blind too ur own faults how can u improve then. Lol.

    • @asdfasdf-mn8iu
      @asdfasdf-mn8iu 3 года назад

      @@jt8936 500 Minerals in gold league? Are you drunk? Protosses reguarly float 800+ minerals and then warp in 8 zealots at the same time.

    • @asdfasdf-mn8iu
      @asdfasdf-mn8iu 3 года назад

      Try playing protoss to see the other side. You got splash too late? Too bad, the T is just gonna overrun your zealots and stalkers with his bio army and stim. Didn't scout the timing attack T is setting up? Say goodbye to your third bc T has some tanks in a position behind rocks and minerals that can shoot your third still.

    • @caloreen1992
      @caloreen1992 3 года назад +2

      @@asdfasdf-mn8iu bro I offrace with protoss and my pvt is 70% at 5k mmr. You can basically slam your head on the keyboard as protoss and you win.

    • @asdfasdf-mn8iu
      @asdfasdf-mn8iu 3 года назад

      @@caloreen1992 Then what MMR is your main race? And got any proof of that? I play a lot of protoss and in my experience 1/3 of all games are just lost to a 2-base-all in or a timing push with 20 marines and 2 tanks because i didn't go straight into splash.

  • @EuerGeneralPilophas
    @EuerGeneralPilophas 3 года назад +1

    The analysis was spot on.

  • @boglinz
    @boglinz 3 года назад

    I dont even play sc2 but really enjoy this, +1 sub on well made content!

  • @alinmeleandra3175
    @alinmeleandra3175 3 года назад +1

    @Soul, don't worry dude, you will get him next time..

  • @WouterLockefeer
    @WouterLockefeer 2 года назад

    Amazing. You may be the only person I know who can respectfully tell someone they suck.

  • @stefansorea8175
    @stefansorea8175 2 года назад

    You are the best SC2 content creator, sir! Also grats to soul for having the courage to let himself be criticized and become better.