Remnants of Portland's Unbuilt Freeways

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  • Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
  • Portland, Oregon's freeway network is only a fraction of what was originally planned. This documentary takes a look at three proposed freeways that were nearly built, the neighborhood revolts that led to their cancellation, and remnants of these projects that are still visible today.
    Chapters:
    0:00 - Intro
    1:26 - Historical Context
    5:56 - The Industrial Freeway
    10:36 - The Rose City Freeway
    15:38 - The Mount Hood Freeway
    22:00 - Epilogue
    23:19 - Credits
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Комментарии • 650

  • @OREGONGAMER503
    @OREGONGAMER503 3 года назад +445

    I always wondered why Powell had those weird parking lots. All those homes destroyed for a parking lot.

    • @waffins7057
      @waffins7057 2 года назад +8

      Based

    • @chrishayes9298
      @chrishayes9298 2 года назад +5

      I was just talking about this yesterday

    • @Damaniel3
      @Damaniel3 2 года назад +14

      Same. I grew up a few blocks south of Powell and went to Kellogg Middle School, and I always wondered why they were there. Later on I learned about the Mt Hood Highway, but never put 2 and 2 together at the time. This explanation makes perfect sense.

    • @swayze_mane
      @swayze_mane 2 года назад +6

      thats what i was just sayin!

    • @fredmeyer369
      @fredmeyer369 2 года назад +5

      Crazy - I've been living here for 10 years and always noticed that stuff and was like "Eh - weird but whatever". Now I know why.

  • @stevenpdx
    @stevenpdx Год назад +33

    The unbuilt freeways of Portland have always fascinated me, and I was thrilled to stumble across this video. Absolutely top-notch in every aspect.

  • @cjtj4700
    @cjtj4700 3 года назад +190

    14:38 Early 1980's my grandfather, R.I.P., almost drove off that stub with me and my 2 younger brothers in his car!! All 3 of us were yelling "GRANDPA! STOP!!!" We screeched to a stop....in the stub!!! I remember that there was only a chain link fence sealing off the end, and thinking to myself "Really? What's the point?!?"" LOL

    • @peterdibble
      @peterdibble  3 года назад +57

      Oh wow! Thank goodness for concrete barriers blocking them off now!

    • @Krystalmyth
      @Krystalmyth 2 года назад +7

      I'd have launched off that deck least twice by now.

    • @IsaacPoopsAlot
      @IsaacPoopsAlot 2 года назад +5

      @@peterdibble something must've happened :flushed:

    • @anastasiamadeit9617
      @anastasiamadeit9617 2 года назад +2

      I know, I always thought so. A fence?

    • @watershed44
      @watershed44 2 года назад +3

      @@IsaacPoopsAlot I would put money on it that someone actually did drive off that ramp at some point.

  • @DocPlays
    @DocPlays 3 года назад +552

    It was certainly strange to see my route to work being described documentary style

    • @makaylaserniotti1474
      @makaylaserniotti1474 3 года назад +10

      Or the route heading back home to my parents place, they live in Columbia County which is accessible by us highway 30 lol.

    • @openlink9958
      @openlink9958 2 года назад +3

      lol

    • @LuisReyes-pd5rm
      @LuisReyes-pd5rm Год назад

      you haven to be able and not be a question 😅of how you want the rest ❤😂😢😢😮😅🎉

    • @LuisReyes-pd5rm
      @LuisReyes-pd5rm Год назад

      registering,registering,registering,🎉ZZZ
      you haven have the best 👌 of 😂❤the good and not be used to make any changes or and

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      @LuisReyes-pd5rm Год назад

      😅😅😅😅😅

  • @stevewages
    @stevewages 3 года назад +549

    I had always wondered about these “stubs”, particularly the one you can see on the I5 south > I84 ramp. Thanks for filling in the history!

    • @JoshuaRes
      @JoshuaRes 3 года назад +2

      Same!

    • @Rckstrroma5
      @Rckstrroma5 2 года назад

      Definitely

    • @doc3162
      @doc3162 2 года назад

      I always wondered about that too. This was a fascinating look at Portland's past. I love history and this just put history of the freeway system in my pea brain.

  • @christiannecas8075
    @christiannecas8075 3 года назад +387

    Damn, I was literally wondering about the ghost ramps the other day. As a Portland resident, I truly appreciate this informative and well produced video

    • @thihal123
      @thihal123 2 года назад

      Yes, this is a very well produced video

    • @nateb4543
      @nateb4543 Год назад +1

      Been driving by those for 20 years, always wondered but never looked it up

    • @dickhitswater4836
      @dickhitswater4836 Год назад +1

      I was born and raised in Portland and always wondered about those. A couple weeks ago my daughter and I were commuting to work together and she asked what they were, I’m glad that I can now give her a accurate answer.

  • @RoadGuyRob
    @RoadGuyRob 3 года назад +108

    I lived in Northeast Portland 15 years ago. It's great to learn the deep story behind all the ghost ramps.
    Peter, if I ever make a Portland trip, we should absolutely collaborate!

    • @justinsprout7611
      @justinsprout7611 3 года назад +6

      That would be a great video!

    • @fullname9338
      @fullname9338 2 года назад +1

      yes please

    • @3bydacreekside
      @3bydacreekside Год назад +1

      Hey would you consider covering the new parkway that opened up south of Pittsburgh?

  • @dennissvitak5475
    @dennissvitak5475 3 года назад +8

    My grandfather was born in Portland, Oregon, in 1879. When he was 52, my mother was born, in 1932, also in Portland. I was born in Portland, in 1956.

  • @stevenpdx
    @stevenpdx 3 года назад +92

    I've always been interested in Portland's unbuilt freeways. This is definitely the most comprehensive look into the freeway revolts of the 70s and the remnants we can still find. Love it.

    • @anthonybanchero3072
      @anthonybanchero3072 2 года назад +1

      The remnants of Seattle’s unbuilt Thompson Expressway finally succumbed to expansion of the freeway it was supposed to interchange with.

    • @terenceflanagan1225
      @terenceflanagan1225 2 месяца назад

      Its still revolving here don't worry

  • @ThePatriot167
    @ThePatriot167 3 года назад +265

    Great job putting this together, really well made.

    • @mjfreespirit
      @mjfreespirit 3 года назад +10

      Totally agree. Fantastic job on this.

  • @chrisw443
    @chrisw443 3 года назад +93

    The only one I wish was built was the one that cuts through hayden island, to the us 30 industrial area and through the west hills to beaverton, three bridges across the Columbia and high speed transit on all three would solve so many issues without destroying actual neighborhoods. it would cut traffic and transit times to vancouver in half

    • @MrWiseinheart
      @MrWiseinheart 3 года назад +10

      Yep I was thinking the same, the much needed bridge to Washington state.

    • @nwsportstilidie
      @nwsportstilidie 3 года назад +27

      Might also help if light rail went across the Columbia River.

    • @richardlevin4488
      @richardlevin4488 2 года назад +3

      I was salivating when I heard about that one, at the very least we need another bridge from marine drive to Hayden island so that going to best buy after 2 pm is a realistic goal

    • @surelyyoujokemeinfailure7531
      @surelyyoujokemeinfailure7531 Месяц назад

      They would probably have to cut deep into the hills of Forest Park (or tunnel beneath, not sure if that would even work) to mitigate the steep twisty slopes there. The way it is now, if you're trying to get from Beaverton to Gresham at 3:30pm (or vice versa) your destination is practically on the other side of the moon in terms of transit time.

  • @Nailima_
    @Nailima_ 2 года назад +13

    As a kid i was always confused about the ramp stubs as i thought that they were going be building more road there in the future. I now know that those were all from a time long since passed. Thanks for making these awesome videos!

  • @d.diggler9936
    @d.diggler9936 3 года назад +46

    As a life long Portland resident, I always wondered about the unfinished freeway ramps.

  • @robertg5451
    @robertg5451 3 года назад +27

    Milwaukee WI had the same thing happen. Only about 45% of the proposed freeways were built. Pretty much for the same reasons. We had stubs all over the place. In fact one such stub was actually used in the Blues Brothers movie. At least it got some use.LOL

  • @OregonBuildingRailfan
    @OregonBuildingRailfan 3 года назад +69

    Woah! Thats a lot of information I didn't know. The only one I heard about before was the Mt. Hood. Thanks for sharing!

    • @peterdibble
      @peterdibble  3 года назад +9

      Glad to hear it was educational, thanks for watching!

    • @swooshdave
      @swooshdave 3 года назад +3

      I always wondered about that strange bow in the road on 26 before you got to Sandy. Now I know.

    • @email4664
      @email4664 3 года назад

      @@peterdibble Yours is by far, the best documentary on Portland that I have seen. Thanks for the effort

  • @beyo5
    @beyo5 3 года назад +57

    As a professional driver, the Westside Bypass should have been built from Vancouver's Fruit Valley industrial area, giving Portland a third Interstate Bridge, through the North Portland industrial area, over the West Hills to connect with Hwy 26W. Too much traffic from Tualatin Valley has to go through downtown (and the Vista Ridge Tunnel) creating a daily rush hour clog. Also, if Marine Drive was widened and extended for truckers from I5 to Troutdale, lots of East-West trucking could be diverted from I84 in the city and be connected with the Westside Bypass. I'll bet we could do it with as much financing as putting in the multi-billion dollar MAX extension through Tigard that would end up narrowing Barbur.

    • @makaylaserniotti1474
      @makaylaserniotti1474 3 года назад +8

      I like this. It would also have very minimal impact on what already exists, especially along marine drive.

    • @Xanthelei
      @Xanthelei 3 года назад +5

      Any widening would need to happen on the south side of Marine Drive, since there are the boathouse communities and a few individual homes on the north side. Shouldn't be too hard to do aside from the area by Goodwill, most of it is basically buffer land anyway.
      For that matter, finding a way for Marine Drive to join up with 205 instead of funneling traffic onto Airport Way would ease a lot of the problems there too. So much Troutdale traffic uses Marine Drive to skip past the inevitable backup on 84 and I'm sure the businesses hate it.

    • @RH-cv1rg
      @RH-cv1rg 2 года назад +1

      @UCalPEhPB0upFK7zm0Lh0xIw What a re-write of history. In 1872, when Ben Holladay built Portland's first streetcar line. The Portland Street Railway’s streetcars went two-miles along 1st Street, from Northwest Glisan Street to Southwest Porter Street. By 1888, four more companies had lines in Portland, and another opened a line in East Portland and Albina.
      Citizens also had horses, another way to travel. They had bikes and Portland had sidewalks. If you look around town you will see rings on the curbs of sidewalks so people could tie up their horses, BEFORE cars. Here is a link to the sidewalk rings that were in Portland in the 1800s. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_rings_in_Portland,_Oregon
      Portland was also a big bike town in the 1890s Here is another link showing Portland had bike shops and active cyclists in 1892 BEFORE the car. www.pdxmonthly.com/news-and-city-life/2019/05/think-portland-is-obsessed-with-bikes-today-meet-the-wheelpeople-of-1890s-stumptown
      So they had mass transit, they had bikes, and they had sidewalks. Nice attempt to revise history to fit your narrative.

  • @TheCatherineCC
    @TheCatherineCC 2 года назад +16

    Not sure how I watched a video about a park and ended up binge watching your entire channel, but it was a good evening :) Thank you for your borderline obsessive research and work on producing these pieces!

  • @atoz1to9ization
    @atoz1to9ization Год назад +6

    I've always been confused by all those weird stubs on the highways. But this gives me a ton of respect for the older generations of Portland

    • @webpa
      @webpa Год назад

      The "older generations" caused the disaster that is still called Portland.

  • @artbyty
    @artbyty 3 года назад +50

    Wow lived here my whole life and never knew many of these details. Always knew the overpass stubs where for canceled freeways but really cool to know the how's and why's.

  • @dano8080
    @dano8080 3 года назад +10

    Mount Hood Freeway... the one that got away. Excellent video.

  • @Thunderbuck
    @Thunderbuck 3 года назад +19

    Funny I should stumble across this, as I'd just finished reading Robert Caro's excellent book The Power Broker, which detailed Robert Moses' terrible damage to New York, so kudos for finding that interview footage. Clearly his influence spread far beyond New York and even the US.

    • @vince1638
      @vince1638 3 года назад +2

      watch "The Forgotten story of Harbor Drive". That was really nuts.

  • @frankosoriano2406
    @frankosoriano2406 3 года назад +64

    I am neither from Portland or the US, but man was this still an interesting and very informative watch. Great job dude!

    • @peterdibble
      @peterdibble  3 года назад +13

      Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it!

    • @Aethelbeorn
      @Aethelbeorn 3 года назад +3

      I live in Portland on mid Stark St. and this was an interesting and very informative watch.

  • @GregsWorkshopOregon
    @GregsWorkshopOregon 3 года назад +12

    The Kirby ramp does provide an essential and quick connection to Emanuel. I’m glad it’s there.

    • @danepcarver4951
      @danepcarver4951 3 года назад +4

      Lived in Hillsboro until 2019. I used that Kirby ramp many times to go to the American Red Cross Blood Center(the biggest in the Nation) both to donate platelets and volunteer to deliver critical blood products to the hospitals throughout Oregon.

    • @clydehdoctor2590
      @clydehdoctor2590 2 месяца назад

      Originally the Kirby exit was supposed to be restricted for Emanuel's use only but a pesky citizen successfully sued to open it up to all traffic. I've used it dozens of times over the year both for access to the Red Cross blood donation center and to North Portland. It's also the best connection to Northeast Portland and eastbound along Fremont street.

  • @torinoscj
    @torinoscj 2 года назад +4

    I grew up in south east Portland near 111th and Holgate.
    Ed Benedict state park and the tri met bus barns are where all houses that were destroyed for the Mt. Hood freeway.
    When I was a kid, my mom and I would go and dig up flowers and plants from the removed house's lots and take them home.
    There are still rose bushes and rhubarb plants living today from those homes.

  • @dantupper1784
    @dantupper1784 2 года назад +5

    This was great!- my Grandpa, like lots of others locally, was a bridge builder.
    He had papers on a few proposed local bridges- one between Hwy 14 and I-84 in the Camas/Washougal to Troutdale area.
    The other sounds like part of the 'Gateway Express' plan- a bridge to connect the Ports of Vancouver and Portland- making both more competetive.
    Third one was very uncertain- variation og 'Gateway Expressway' headed northward from St Johns bridge to connect to 78th & I-5/Hwy99 in Hazel Dell.
    The east end of 78th was designed as a 'Expressway' in the late '50's early '60's but not completed for decades.
    Grandpa had saved articles about these large local projects for years.
    Thanks!

    • @filanfyretracker
      @filanfyretracker Год назад

      oh wow I didnt know they had an I-84 in the west, Only ever knew of the one that went through Connecticut.

    • @dantupper1784
      @dantupper1784 Год назад

      @@filanfyretrackerSouthside of Columbia River east of Portland Ore, covers the Columbia River Gorge, heads east toward Ontario, Ore into Idaho.
      From there I do not know.

    • @warped2875
      @warped2875 6 месяцев назад

      @@filanfyretracker
      It used to be called I-80N(north), that branched off from the I-80 at Salt Lake City, I-80 still takes a southerly route through Nevada, on to San Francisco. I-80N(north) was changed to I-84 in 1980, and goes north out of Utah, through Idaho, and on in to Portland along the Columbia River on Oregon's northern border. The change had something to do with new Federal guidelines on the highway numbering system.

  • @el_jeepo
    @el_jeepo 3 года назад +6

    Wish the Mt hood freeway got built.

  • @surferdude44444
    @surferdude44444 3 года назад +17

    As a long time SW PDX resident skier, the thought of going nonstop from deep southwest to Sandy was very appealing to me. Still is.

  • @bcshelby4926
    @bcshelby4926 2 года назад +8

    ...interesting presentation.
    Used to live off Division on 30th and frequently cut through Piccolo park to 26th and Clinton. Didn't realise that little park was a "side effect" of the Mt. Hood Freeway project. The segment of Division between SE 20th and SE 50th is a thriving commercial corridor that wouldn't exist if the freeway were built, and likely the house I rented a room in, would have been demolished decades ago.

  • @barrettpolychronis2833
    @barrettpolychronis2833 3 года назад +20

    I'm a 32 year old who was born and raised here. This upload was so interesting. Thank you Pete

  • @spuwho
    @spuwho 2 года назад +4

    This video on Portland is a small representation of what many major metro area was struggling within in the post WW2 auto transportation boom. You could duplicate this video for many, many cities that have the same legacy. The Interstate Highway System wasn't designed to improve interurban travel, it was designed to facilitate interstate travel. But because the political power resided in the cities where the most tax payers were, the focus was always getting more limited access lanes into the city centers. While not all highway planners were racist in their motives, the availability of cheap land was of high priority along with urban renewal. Areas that were seen as blighted just happened to also be cheap to acquire. But these were neighborhoods that simply lived at a different income level and the consequences of pushing people out was not completely understood at the time. The 'greater good' was always outweighing the individual good (or neighborhood good) when these plans were developed. Fortunately every town found a way to cope with these changes in their own unique ways. It's too bad Portland allowed their extensive trolley system to be torn out after 1936. The right of ways for these systems would have made a great foundation for a future public transit system.

  • @theresamagladry1158
    @theresamagladry1158 3 года назад +4

    I was a child in the 70s. We drove through Portland every summer for our vacation. I remember being fascinated by what I called, "The bridges to nowhere." Thanks for explaining that odd childhood mystery!

  • @wilbur9416
    @wilbur9416 2 года назад +20

    I often wondered what was up with the unfinished highways in Portland growing up. Thanks for breaking it down and letting us know

  • @jenna_gia
    @jenna_gia Год назад +4

    It's sad to see what became of the lower Eliot neighborhood. If you pause the video at 15:13 the house with the dark roof at the top center of the frame (on the left side of the road) survived to this day while all other surrounding properties were destroyed. Today it's 2725 N Kirby Ave and is surrounded by freeway, pbot lots, and parking garages for the hospital.

  • @JD-nt8ui
    @JD-nt8ui 3 года назад +6

    I had just moved here when I started noticing the ramp stubs driving around. What a well thought out, researched, and composed video. Thank you!

    • @email4664
      @email4664 3 года назад +1

      We have some pretty cool folks here.

  • @FreewayBrent
    @FreewayBrent 3 года назад +17

    Fantastic video; I will share this in a few groups. The relative lack of freeways in and around Portland, coupled with its explosive growth over the past few decades largely explains why its existing freeways are so terribly congested during peak hours...but, it's very clear that Portland's neighborhoods would have been split up in ways that would have resulted in a less livable city than it is today.

    • @compdude100
      @compdude100 3 года назад +4

      It probably wouldn't have been so badly congested if they made the freeways that did get built wider than just 3 lanes in each direction. Seattle's are mostly at least three lanes wide in each direction, with many sections being 4-5 lanes in each direction. Heck, even the Rose Quarter widening project where they're widening that stupidly narrow 2-lane section of I-5 has faced a lot of opposition but at least that's getting built in the near future.

    • @YowzaBowzaWowza
      @YowzaBowzaWowza Год назад

      You’re half right.

    • @peskypigeonx
      @peskypigeonx Год назад

      @@compdude100 Induced demand dude lol

    • @compdude100
      @compdude100 Год назад +1

      @@peskypigeonx Yeah I know that now but not when that comment was posted a year ago lol

  • @kebler823
    @kebler823 3 года назад +33

    The region needs a I-5 bypass from north of Vancouver going south to Hillsboro area and reconnect near Wilsonville! Keep the just passing thru traffic out of the metro core!

    • @peterdibble
      @peterdibble  3 года назад +19

      This idea was actually considered! If you do a Google image search for "1969 Portland transportation plan" there's a fascinating map of what was planned to be built by 1990. Essentially I-205 would have continued in a big loop around the west side from Tualatin to Vancouver.

  • @jefffinkbonner9551
    @jefffinkbonner9551 2 года назад +3

    A documentary like this would be really fascinating for Seattle. I-5 through that town is....interesting. So many bottlenecks, ramps everywhere in downtown, switching-directional express lanes; plus, the SR 509/ 99/ 599 freeways changing over to a surface street in the south end industrial area just screams unfinished freeway that must have a backstory to it.
    And of course the Alaskan Way viaduct now tunnel could be its own show.
    Very nicely done video!

  • @tungstentaco495
    @tungstentaco495 3 года назад +5

    I remember my dad really looking forward to the Mt Hood Freeway. But all these years later, I'm just learning that it's path would have gone right through my neighborhood and about 800 feet from my house. Yikes.

  • @gravit8ed
    @gravit8ed 3 года назад +7

    solid research and reporting here! I've driven thousands of miles of delivery in and around portland and the...frustrating things all make sense now. At least they got the rural chunk of the Hood route done first, I can't imagine trying to get out that way on the older roads.
    Big picture though, if they'd have finished the hood highway that whole area would be prime right now. Good work

  • @RobertERider
    @RobertERider 5 месяцев назад +1

    Love the video. As a lifelong Portland resident, I can't get enough of watching and learning about Portland.

  • @mocha2259
    @mocha2259 3 года назад +161

    not gonna lie that freeway to Gresham would save so much time

    • @mocha2259
      @mocha2259 Год назад

      @Kyle Korona fair enough

    • @SL420-
      @SL420- Год назад +10

      Strange thought: more highways being the cure to problems caused by highways and car dependence. It might save you some time at the cost of some of everyone else's time and quality of life.

    • @profligatepassages
      @profligatepassages 10 месяцев назад

      ​@SL420- true never really thought of it that way. I guess the thought being that if one time saver saves more people time than costs them time then it's worth it I suppose. Generally there are negatives to everything, surprised this slipped my mind honestly I had mostly only considered the eye sores and lack of connecting roads when interstates cut through things.

    • @sweendawg7274
      @sweendawg7274 6 месяцев назад

      Why would you lie?

  • @djtdub1
    @djtdub1 3 года назад +27

    Great video. Another aspect to Mount Hood Freeway history is the lower-rent 'freeway house.' The State of Oregon(the future ODOT?) essentially became the landlord of the houses in the unbuilt freeway right of way. I knew someone who lived in one.
    -How long did this arrangement actually last?
    -Did these houses revert back to their prior owners?
    Or were they sold or auctioned to new owners?

    • @peterdibble
      @peterdibble  3 года назад +10

      Interesting! I wasn't aware of all that.

  • @bradmiley
    @bradmiley 2 года назад +2

    Thank you Peter and crew for another excellent documentary. As a "road historian" and hobbyist, I find "never were" or "almost" motorways/freeways incredibly fascinating. At one point, it appeared as though the asphalt belts would eventually encircle the every town, city, country - even continents! But the great expansions of the 50s/60s gave way to protests and ecological movements of the 70s/80s, and the immense projects were postponed, changed, postponed, and eventually... completely abandoned.
    As an example, there were plans to build a huge set of interlinking motorways cutting huge slices through the centre of London! Today, such an idea is hard to believe, but the enthusiasm for Inner City/Urban Motorways ignored the destruction and concomitant blights of pollution and the creation of stranded concrete islands, unreachable and only accessible via car. This was part of that excited, prosperity focused optimism that dissolved like a souffle in a dark cupboard once the 70s brought in recessions, economic collapse, strikes, tensions, and mass unemployment. At least we still have the maps! Thanks once again for an entertaining and informative look at what Portland almost had 😊

  • @iambrandonpoo
    @iambrandonpoo Год назад +5

    This was so informative and interesting. Really enjoyed this content and the visuals with it

  • @samtoshner8002
    @samtoshner8002 3 года назад +6

    Boy we could sure use an E-W interstate in the south of the city. The Ross Island bridge is a nightmare going eastbound and the traffic lights on 26 Westbound where it merges with 405 are also pretty terrible.

  • @Kurorahk
    @Kurorahk 3 года назад +24

    Happy to finally know about what those stubs were, I always found history of construction projects and communities so fascinating so thank you for your excellent work.

  • @Steinwelt
    @Steinwelt Год назад +4

    I very much adore your transport related videos!

  • @brianchavez2605
    @brianchavez2605 3 года назад +7

    I love freeways but can definitely see their point in not wanting the other freeways built, but I believe The Mt Hood freeway was and still is a must

  • @ultimattwhat
    @ultimattwhat 3 года назад +17

    Finding this a bit late, thanks for the information. I've lived here all my life and have wondered about those abandoned onramps for ages.

  • @davidh4109
    @davidh4109 3 года назад +7

    the west side routes would be handy right now.

  • @KarelPKerezman
    @KarelPKerezman Год назад +4

    Having walked underneath a lot of those "stubs," this was absolutely fascinating to me. Thank you, excellent work!

  • @Hakuwoodworks
    @Hakuwoodworks 3 года назад +14

    Thank you for putting this together. I often have wondered what the plan was for some of those stubs. I will say that another route to Vancouver is still desperately needed.

    • @XXelpollodiabloXX
      @XXelpollodiabloXX 2 года назад +1

      It would be cool to get a west side bypass, but I don't think it will ever happen. If my opinion counted for anything, I'd say make the route a limited access route so that it does nothing but go from 26 across to I5, probably south of Ridgefield, but north of the 205/5 merge. 217 isn't far enough west, so extending it north wouldn't make sense. You'd run right into St. Johns, even if you could find an acceptable way through Forest Park. (Tunnel maybe?) So that means Cornelius Pass is the most likely candidate. Cut across Sauvie Island, across the river, and around Felida. The only interchange would be at Hwy 30. Other than that, the only way on or off is at 26 or I5. But, like I said, it won't happen, even if Hillsboro and Ridgefield continue to grow like they are now.

  • @larrybruce4856
    @larrybruce4856 2 года назад +3

    The downfall of Portland was planning the downtown "Bus mall'. The plan, to leave your car at home or at a designated parking lot and take a bus, (eventually light rail) to downtown Portland. Within two years of construction, many businesses moved out of downtown Portland to shopping malls where parking was free, plentiful, and easy to get to. After 10 years, I believe the only department store remaining in downtown Portland was Nordstrom. All other stores moved to The Lloyd Center, Washington Square, Clackamas Town Center, and Bridgeport Center in Tualatin. Today, downtown Portland is mostly office buildings, Doctor, accounting, and legal office space.

    • @xr6lad
      @xr6lad Год назад

      Yes. People tend to think it’s a matter of just building public transit and people will abandon cars. No: they totally fail to understand why people like cars. No matter the weather you are virtually door to door, can carry whatever you want, cocooned even if there’s traffic jams and make 10 different stops.

    • @memathews
      @memathews Год назад

      Lipman's, and Meier & Frank were still downtown. Of course, Newberry's and Woolworth's don't actually count as department stores. There was a Magnin, but that was a specialty store like Nordstrom, and Mario's is also in the same category. Target on 10th is pretty much the only department store in downtown, and the others were bought out and closed by poor operations. So building the bus mall made no difference in closing department stores, they just kind of outlived their format and are now dying in malls too. There was a great renewal of smaller stores downtown and most seem to be surviving the pandemic that chased the office dwellers out, but time will tell.

  • @jonathanlanglois2742
    @jonathanlanglois2742 3 года назад +9

    We've got several of those in Montreal as well. There's a few unused viaducts and highways that end rather abruptly. There's an entire right of way which is still reserved to this day although the plans have most definitely fallen through.

  • @dashytbytch3
    @dashytbytch3 Год назад +1

    omg! i'm from pdx born & raised & i've been obsessed w those ramp stubs for years!! thank you for this video!!❤❤❤❤

  • @roycereidnm
    @roycereidnm 2 года назад +2

    I'd always wondered why my street has no structures built between the 1930's and late 80's. I'm in the middle of a proposed freeway corridor!

  • @jkoeger
    @jkoeger 3 года назад +7

    This was extremely enjoyable to watch. I was so excited it was 24 mins long. Thank you!

  • @Errr717
    @Errr717 3 года назад +14

    I lived in Aloha in the late 70's/early 80's and I always got confused when I got near Portland where all the bridges are. I actually drove around in circles trying to get off the freeway to get to downtown. Now I know why.

    • @frederickbooth7970
      @frederickbooth7970 2 года назад

      That`s happened to us too!

    • @Errr717
      @Errr717 2 года назад +1

      @@frederickbooth7970 LOL Nice to hear I wasn't the only one.

  • @liljake8504
    @liljake8504 3 года назад +14

    I worked security in several HOA's in the Gresham Butte area, the proposed route for the Mount Hood Freeway cuts right through one of the HOA's. Needless to say if that plan would have gone through that area wouldn't have developed the way it did and I wouldn't have worked out there. Amazing video.

  • @Eric_Stoneheart420
    @Eric_Stoneheart420 3 года назад +5

    this actually answers alot of personal questions i had. from certain parts of Gresham to strange roads in downtown, remanents can still be found.

  • @Iris_Greensnake
    @Iris_Greensnake 2 года назад +1

    It's so cool to see my home state on RUclips I live north of Portland and I recognize almost every bridge

  • @garyruss3529
    @garyruss3529 3 года назад +3

    Knew about all of these except for the Powell Blvd narrow parking lots & the route 26 split in Gresham. Lived out there for years & never really thought about it. Excellent documentary.

  • @lelandsparks4823
    @lelandsparks4823 3 года назад +7

    I live near that section of route 26 mention in the mount hood freeway part. It have always confused me why it was built that way with no road coming in.

  • @Gizathecat2
    @Gizathecat2 2 года назад +1

    Hello from Washington State! I lived in the Seattle area in the sixties and seventies. Two freeways/expressways were halted by community protest. The RH Thompson expressway would have gone through through the Madison Valley and part of the beloved Arboretum. Madison Valley was home to many racial minorities who didn’t like the idea their neighborhood having a freeway running through it. The Evergreen Point bridge had ramps to nowhere that would eventually connect to the Thompson expressway. They would remain until the bridge underwent major renovations in the 2010s. The ghost ramps to nowhere are now gone.
    Another freeway was announced in about 1968 that would have gone through the eastern part of Bellevue, a suburb on the east side of Lake Washington. My mother was involved in the fight to stop it, seeing as how it would have run less than a mile east of our house! She and all the neighbors attended a meeting regarding the freeway. I recall her telling me about how the planners and engineers explaining the freeway would be “beautiful” or something like that. As if on cue the angry neighbors all broke out in laughter! Nothing came of it. My old neighborhood is still there.

  • @magmastered
    @magmastered 3 года назад +1

    That is an incredible level of production quality. The sheer amount of archive material. Subscribed.

  • @fiercenet
    @fiercenet Год назад +1

    Growing up as a kid in Portland I still remember the freeway offramps that just ended in sheer drop-offs... I think there's still two of them on the 84 to I5 interchange. Crazy they were left for decades with not much more than a fence protecting them.

  • @josephs2679
    @josephs2679 3 года назад +5

    Great flick. I’ve lived in Vancouver my whole life and while Portland’s traffic is awful in the day, it is an extremely beautiful drive at night.

  • @johnley4720
    @johnley4720 3 года назад +2

    Absolutely superb history of transportation in the Portland metropolitan area. THANK YOU!

  • @brianellison3525
    @brianellison3525 Год назад +1

    Seattle had a bunch of those dead end ramps through the 80's. They got used in a couple movies, and in a poster add for union labor that read
    "Would the last one leaving seattle, please turn out the lights"

  • @Freewayjim
    @Freewayjim 3 года назад +9

    Nicely done sir! enjoyable and highly informative.

  • @OliverAsis
    @OliverAsis 3 года назад +1

    Absolutely wonderful work with this Peter!!!

  • @keithmiller2714
    @keithmiller2714 3 года назад +3

    This answered many questions I’ve had for many, many years. Very well done.

  • @briansg80
    @briansg80 2 года назад +3

    These videos are so great. I appreciate the history lesson Peter!

  • @magsd5234
    @magsd5234 2 года назад

    Thank you Mr. Peter Dibble!
    I have been so curious about these projects!

  • @michaelprasuhn6590
    @michaelprasuhn6590 3 года назад +5

    I paused at 15:14 and assuming that's I5 and Russell street running left to right across the bottom, the only structure from that photograph that is still standing today is the I5 itself. All of those houses are gone, either to hospital, freeway, or industrial usage.

  • @meliodasthesinofwrath2582
    @meliodasthesinofwrath2582 2 года назад +2

    Dude i live here and portland has a bunch of random stuff and its fun to explore plus it dont rain like it used to also its always getting more over populated

  • @circularpizzabox2134
    @circularpizzabox2134 2 года назад +6

    Looking back, I honestly wish it would have happened, because look how bad the traffic issues are now. Born and raised here, and something needs to be done about the freeway system.

  • @brohiggins9332
    @brohiggins9332 3 года назад +5

    So well done! You see PDX's history and explanation. Memories

  • @phoq8880
    @phoq8880 2 года назад +2

    I moved to Portland in 1991. I always wondered what was up with those ghost ramps. And also why the 405 turned into just a regular street at nw yeon. Thanks for answering these mysteries

  • @jasonpdsi
    @jasonpdsi 2 года назад +2

    Peter, I'm not exactly sure what your background is with the city of Portland but your documentaries (or at least the two I've seen so far) are fantastic. I love this historical look at the city. Especially in light of recent events.

  • @LaFox23
    @LaFox23 3 года назад +3

    Lol it shows an unbuilt highway next to south Hillsboro, i wish that was there today.

  • @csciacchitano
    @csciacchitano 2 года назад +1

    This was really well done - thanks for making it. I live in NW, right by Montgomery Park and it's fascinating to think of what this neighborhood could have looked like.

  • @JustSumChillAlien
    @JustSumChillAlien 3 года назад +2

    Love learning about road infrastructure with good presentation like this. You've earned a sub.

  • @RD2564
    @RD2564 2 года назад +1

    Beautiful video. Very good video footage available of historic Portland from the 50's and 60's.

  • @mpz375
    @mpz375 3 года назад +3

    Great content. Born and raised in Portland and I always wondered about all this stuff, from the stubs to the stupid skinny parking lots on Powell. Thank you and great job.

  • @viniciusmendonca7002
    @viniciusmendonca7002 3 года назад +17

    such a high quality video!!! Love it, you deserve a lot more views

  • @jamieross5292
    @jamieross5292 Год назад +1

    Thank you for such a well produced video. The period correct video footage was great.

  • @sycocysx
    @sycocysx 3 года назад +8

    Beautifully crafted video!
    You will be big sometime soon, I am sure

  • @SaintCrownMusic
    @SaintCrownMusic 2 года назад

    Thanks for the video! I'm in Portland for a few months for work and recently been growing more and more curious about the various freeways and overall city layout! Subbed 💚

  • @blacksheep25251
    @blacksheep25251 2 года назад +1

    This was/is incredible! I also love how you drive the routes!!!

  • @brendalarson6054
    @brendalarson6054 3 года назад

    Love your content dude. I did research on the Portland freeway stumps a few years ago and your videos have completed my journey. Thank you.

  • @JessWLStuart
    @JessWLStuart Год назад

    Excellently thought out and researched presentation! Thanks!

  • @tommyboy161213
    @tommyboy161213 2 года назад +1

    I had always wondered why highway 26 got so far apart when you leave Gresham! I shared this info on my local Sandy Facebook page and it blew their mind! Haha jk but a lot of people wondered the same thing. Your video got dropped in the comments so hopefully I can get you some more views. Great video and really well edited and great narration. Thanks for making it!

  • @jodeeclarklompa852
    @jodeeclarklompa852 6 месяцев назад

    I remember my parents talking about this and then me, as a young adult, living through many of changes and projects. Fascinating and fun video. Thank you for this review of Portland history.

  • @craigcasterline5540
    @craigcasterline5540 3 года назад +2

    Growing up in Gresham, I always wondered why Hwy 26 split wide like that!! Now it makes perfect sense!!

  • @peytontetrick1214
    @peytontetrick1214 3 года назад +2

    You need more views on this man. Amazing work

  • @tracerloenan8020
    @tracerloenan8020 3 года назад

    Very informative, interesting, and well done. This is now a part of the history of your city.

  • @haileybalmer9722
    @haileybalmer9722 3 года назад +2

    I love these videos on the ways Portland has made major changes! I hope you do videos about Council Crest and The Lewis and Clark Centennial Exposition. The first time I saw photos of those places, I could scarcely believe I was looking at Portland. I know so little about those places, and I'm so curious.

  • @2lbs
    @2lbs 3 года назад +2

    Always love learning new facts about the city, dope vid

  • @laithshehadeh1517
    @laithshehadeh1517 3 года назад

    Really well put together video. I hope we get more like it!