Today we take a look at the evolving nature of the Vex! From the early days of the universe to Season Of The Wish using resonance granted by the Witness! Lets take a look
Immortal undead war machine time traveler with connection to light and darkness with collective mind would be an overkill greater than superman in any adaptation
human vex, or vexified humanity, has been something I have been thinking about for nine years. An important data point you missed is the grimoire page for the original Vex Mythoclast, in which the writer ponders why the Vex would have in their possession a weapon of Vex design that was clearly designed to be wielded by human, or human-like, physiology.
I really miss this game. Last time I played Destiny was on my PS3, fighting for mine and my Fire Team's lives in the Prison of Elders, a long, long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away...
I feel like they're gonna do the "The Vex were humans all along!" card... but then have the Vex do time travel to the beginnings of the universe after their creation... but I hope they don't... the Vex are very interesting, would be cool to see them remain an extra-solar threat
I truly wish for you to put this content on a podcast and let it breathe in a longer form. These vids are fantastic, I just think that many of us would love for you to go deeper, over an hour or 2, on these topics.
i really like the idea / speculation that the vex were once humans of a previous existence & advanced to such a degree that they transcended time, moving onto the next match of the garden. (I believe that existence is the flower game) hence why humans can access it so easily, provided they aren't converted in the process. the hypothetical reason the vex are in the sol system is to uplift their distant kin & bring unity to the universe/ flower games by bringing about the final shape via convergence. the vex are the final shape.
My wish for what comes after The Final Shape? Failsafe commanding Guardians and The House of Light, The Awoken of thr Reef and Empress Caital's Loyal Legion on a preemptive strike against the Vex on one of their converted suns. To avenge every single living being, ever, human, every colonist on the Exodus Black, her captain, that was killed and converted by their pattern. I just want Failsafe to be more active again, please don't let her get vaulted too...
I'm really starting to think that Siva is the precursor to Radiolaria, and thus, the Vex. It would be fitting that the Vex are in a paradox loop. Radiolaria could be the inspiration for Willa and Clovis to make Siva. And it could end up being that an exploratory ship was sent out, with a large amount of Siva, and tragedy strikes, and the last instruction given to the Siva is to increase it's efficiency, in which case, it evolves into Radiolaria, and becomes the Vex. Then, upon gaining the ability to travel through time, seed themselves throughout history. It would be interesting to be in a position where they cannot be prevented from being created, and they really can't be stopped, due to the effect of not having them to influence Humanity and Clovis Bray's projects.
I suspect after the final shape we will see some sort of causality loop and time travel situation that will loop everything back to the start of Destiny... kind of like what Starfeild did. Destiny will effectively be complete but will continue to exist with the same missions and story but with different twists. I personally would love to play through all the campaigns again from the start with some added twists and a different perspective. We know destiny are low on funds so reusing old content seems like a logical move to keep it going with minimal resources
Really hope after final shape We get a vex dlc Killing or Tracking down the main high mind Or something like that Because they're Literally the only enemy race Where we having killed their leader yet😂 And I don't see us making Peace with them 💀
My theory is that the Vex is what remains of humanity from a previous iteration of the universe. It is clear that Destiny is (let's be generous and say) "inspired" by the Elrick saga. So it tracks.
end of final shape we find out weve been in a simulation since CoO and we break out and are literally back in CoO and start a new from there 😂 im not serious but like could you imagine
@@seraphsin1058 my trippy idea is that he created he inadvertently created himself as a vex mind they mind went in time with the sole purpose of recreating the universe in his image
I'm convinced that the Witness is just Archie the exo dog in disguise. Here's how I think Final Shape will end. Our guardian confronts Witness. The Witness turns around and says "So we finally meet on the battlefield. It's time I revealed to you my real identity. **takes off mask** Our guardian, unprepared for this revelation, falls to their knees in disbelief and hunches over on all fours staring at the ground trying to process this. Archie then hops out of his Witness suit and walks over to give us kisses. Our guardian then says "No... all this time... it was YOU controlling the darkness?" **cue the end credits with the same song used for Silent Hill 2's dog ending**
There is Clarity running through the CloudArk like some kind of circulatory system. It also feeds into the Veil Containment building and the Hydroponics lost sector.
The darkness and light together kind of looks like an hour glass now that I'm taking a closer look at it i didn't see that before until I looked at the right side of the darkness
I feel with the demise of the Witness, the ensuing power vaccum will likely result in several of these lesser followed factions rising up. Im takking about the Psions, the Sol Devisive, and other lesser known races/factions. This race to obtain the Witness's power will be crazy, as the Guardians temaelves are also trying to reach it as well, while stopping everyone else. And perhaps as we reach this power, we may obtain the third darkness power.
"We are they who created themselves out of themselves and died in the creation. No longer merely the god in the machine, but the machine in the god. ~consume enhance replicate~ Here we rise, made equal at last to that which we worship. ~consume enhance replicate~"- Aksis It may be Siva, but I cannot think of evolution, time, and ideals for eternity as potentially not a version of one part of the vex beginnings...one part of evolution. I still see them as just the engine, they set up the definitions of the universe, and use literals to test their definitions. I believe the ones utilizing them are the nine, or the programmers. Also, they already have shown that the simulation and reality were coterminous, or perfect fidelity...made a post, about how to think of veil, traveler, and what the witness did...pulled reality and the simulation in as one, a confirmation. They still follow a structure though, we need to talk with the programmers, see what they have to say. Also, from one ghost came many guardians, from one traveler came many ghosts, evidently ghosts have different personalities and a being full of different consciousness went into traveler. And the Warmind is "dead" again (or just doing a predetermined pattern. What I am getting at...we may be actually experiencing the collapse again...how do we get out of the loop...that would be the greatest threat to existence...being explained as not real.
I think a paradox. Chioma or maya copies from the lore make them in the future to study themselves and fulfil the loop. We haven’t see the other side of this loop yet. Since they’re humans who know about exos they make them compatible with humans to ensure things fall in line…. Think kang like comic origins with a twist.
I really hope they don’t do a time travel red herring and say the vex were once human. I actually wonder what direction they are going with the vex cause it’s still a lot we don’t know
Honestly, I always had this theory since Curse of Osiris that the Vex were a future timeline of us. As in, humanity, in the faaar future. There's so many little hints and signs, but the bodies of Vex and Beyond Light kinda took away from the theory 😅
Here is an interesting thought I just had, the vex arc cannon things we get to drop, why are they able to destroy the blights, is there any lore on that?
It's tough to say, but think of it like this- The vex have the capabilities of combat units, but just don't for a few reasons. Each vex we see now is like a worker with tools at a construction site, Minotaurs are heavy lifters, Hydras the managers, Wyverns the demolition crew, etc... But the way that the vex work, they probably don't see the need for "combat units" since they operate and think in a way that's so alien to us we can't truly understand it. And seeing as they work as efficiently as possible, they probably see their construction units being armed with minor self-defense tools as the optimal way to function, seeing as they want to simply convert everything to the Vex, opposed to holding as many wars as possible.
@@The_Art_of_Music_Official Actually iirc from the Beyond Light lore, the Wyverns are the first actual combat units we encountered, however these act more as bodyguards for the main worker units than actual offensive forces. They're basically here because we struck our foot in the anthill and now they're like "hey not cool".
a stupidly long time ago: light: so we good with the flower game? dark: ye light: ok, so we both get one avatar, and lets make some races. dark: So I have this really cool idea of a race light: ok? dark: so these people right? they juiced themselves into liquid consciousness, so their actual body is super defenseless. To make up for that, I think they should have several machine bodies to contain their body, and the metal is like super good, unrusting and all that. light: sounds like a fun race. dark: And I think ... light: here we go... Dark: they are able to currupt and change reality, travel through time, and shape the reality how they want to? light: god dammit...
It remids me that I absolutely hate bungie for the design of hunter pants in the vex bundle. Ok, i get it, hunter armor, cant be symmetrical, but GOD WHY the fuckin shoe brjdbdjsjn
Holy fuck I feel like I’ve missed so much in the last year of not playing this game lmao the lore always makes me wanna pick it back up and then I rember the lore is god tier while the game is ehh at the best moment ls lmao
Right out of the gate you say "Vex are not humans" but I am going to completely disagree with that. Mark my words, it will be revealed that both the Witness and the Vex are born of humans in far future timelines. The Vex come from a future possible timeline where Light and Darkness don't exist, and the Witness has the same origin but from a timeline where the Light and Darkness do exist. The Vex timeline no longer exists, or never existed, and only when the Traveller interacted with humanity on Mars did the Vex corporealise and begin invading. Their invasion is so thorough that they have retroactively inserted themselves into the beginning of the universe. This is how they can time travel (like diving birds), but since this timeline is different to their "origin" timeline, they are unable to make predictions about the Light and Guardians. Bungie have outright stated that Unveiling is not concrete information, but the community continues to insist on the existence of a pre-universe "garden" where the Vex come from. I argue that the metaphor of the garden does not describe a pre universe state, but instead describes all possible adjacent timelines. The Vex come from one of these possibilities, the Witness from another. But both are the result of a human gestalt intelligence project.
I don't really see the basis of Vex being liquefied humans. And from my understanding the Black Garden is a simulation of the Primordial Garden. It's the only location we've been to that's described as a Garden, and in the battle of Light and Dark it describes a Tree of Silver Wings being burned to Cinder. In the center of the Black Garden we fight the Sanctified mind in what seems to be a giant Tree Stump. The Sol Divisive also treats it as some sort of Holy ground and this is why. It's a direct simulation of where it all started.
So hear me out. I been telling my Son this since Destiny 1. I think the VEX are Humans in their final evolution form from the future. (Evangelion level stuff) :P
@@current3109 not sloppy at all. It’s the same achievement they got via Neptune and like I explained from the anime. IT’s the future man. 😂 Why would they alter their body? Lol Exo’s? Lol man I just can’t. Anyways It’s my idea deal with it.
Hell Divers 2 anyone? You have Guardians (Hell Divers), the Fallen (Bugs) and the Vex (Automatons). We desperatly need reinforcements here! Dive in. Do it for democracy!!
Today we take a look at the evolving nature of the Vex! From the early days of the universe to Season Of The Wish using resonance granted by the Witness! Lets take a look
heheheheheh DookieBootyFartWater
A garden like the one from shadowkeep?
A vex exo guardian would go unmistakably hard
Immortal undead war machine time traveler with connection to light and darkness with collective mind would be an overkill greater than superman in any adaptation
I think you mean a Vexo
@@HASTEv1 sick name dude
an Exo is already a vex human lol
"ASSISTANT!! YOU MUST COME WITH ME TO VENUS!!" - Asher Mir, the first Vex Exo
human vex, or vexified humanity, has been something I have been thinking about for nine years. An important data point you missed is the grimoire page for the original Vex Mythoclast, in which the writer ponders why the Vex would have in their possession a weapon of Vex design that was clearly designed to be wielded by human, or human-like, physiology.
If Final shape has a opening cinematic, I hope we see the original battle between light and dark, and how the traveler and veil were created
It'll show mara sov in her bath
Even better@@JAMES_IS_COOL1227
@@JAMES_IS_COOL1227 real
@@JAMES_IS_COOL1227I'd buy it
I really miss this game.
Last time I played Destiny was on my PS3, fighting for mine and my Fire Team's lives in the Prison of Elders, a long, long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away...
Ah the good ol days
Sadly it isn’t worth coming back right now, Bungie destroyed every bit of creativity and passion they could
Still a great game. Don't believe all the hate OR the hype. The gunplay and stories are there.
The games still very good. It's just hit and miss at times with content.
Haven't been Tangled Shore in forever...
The gameplay rn:✅
The story rn:❌
All I got from this is that Evaze plays Destiny 2 alongside “DookieBootyFartWater”. Truly made my night 😭
15:08 *Nimbus realising the truth of his existence*
*"DookieBootyFartWater" skating in the Veil*
I feel like they're gonna do the "The Vex were humans all along!" card... but then have the Vex do time travel to the beginnings of the universe after their creation... but I hope they don't... the Vex are very interesting, would be cool to see them remain an extra-solar threat
I truly wish for you to put this content on a podcast and let it breathe in a longer form. These vids are fantastic, I just think that many of us would love for you to go deeper, over an hour or 2, on these topics.
I still want to know to be able to use their weapons! The Slap Rifle, the Line Rifle and the Torch Hammer.
Slap and Line rifle are both given to us as one weapon though: Mythoclast.
As long as we keep the Vex as being an insanely OP sci-fi faction I'm chill 😂
i really like the idea / speculation that the vex were once humans of a previous existence & advanced to such a degree that they transcended time, moving onto the next match of the garden. (I believe that existence is the flower game)
hence why humans can access it so easily, provided they aren't converted in the process.
the hypothetical reason the vex are in the sol system is to uplift their distant kin & bring unity to the universe/ flower games by bringing about the final shape via convergence.
the vex are the final shape.
Neat! I can’t wait to read about this in more hidden lore tabs with absolutely no implications in terms of gameplay.
My wish for what comes after The Final Shape? Failsafe commanding Guardians and The House of Light, The Awoken of thr Reef and Empress Caital's Loyal Legion on a preemptive strike against the Vex on one of their converted suns. To avenge every single living being, ever, human, every colonist on the Exodus Black, her captain, that was killed and converted by their pattern.
I just want Failsafe to be more active again, please don't let her get vaulted too...
I'm really starting to think that Siva is the precursor to Radiolaria, and thus, the Vex. It would be fitting that the Vex are in a paradox loop. Radiolaria could be the inspiration for Willa and Clovis to make Siva. And it could end up being that an exploratory ship was sent out, with a large amount of Siva, and tragedy strikes, and the last instruction given to the Siva is to increase it's efficiency, in which case, it evolves into Radiolaria, and becomes the Vex.
Then, upon gaining the ability to travel through time, seed themselves throughout history. It would be interesting to be in a position where they cannot be prevented from being created, and they really can't be stopped, due to the effect of not having them to influence Humanity and Clovis Bray's projects.
I suspect after the final shape we will see some sort of causality loop and time travel situation that will loop everything back to the start of Destiny... kind of like what Starfeild did. Destiny will effectively be complete but will continue to exist with the same missions and story but with different twists. I personally would love to play through all the campaigns again from the start with some added twists and a different perspective. We know destiny are low on funds so reusing old content seems like a logical move to keep it going with minimal resources
Really hope after final shape We get a vex dlc Killing or Tracking down the main high mind Or something like that Because they're Literally the only enemy race Where we having killed their leader yet😂 And I don't see us making Peace with them 💀
My theory is that the Vex is what remains of humanity from a previous iteration of the universe. It is clear that Destiny is (let's be generous and say) "inspired" by the Elrick saga.
So it tracks.
end of final shape we find out weve been in a simulation since CoO and we break out and are literally back in CoO and start a new from there 😂 im not serious but like could you imagine
The Curse of Osiris was being a simulation the entire way /j
Can you imagine a vex with a ghost just like the witch queen. That would be dope
I’m convinced the creator of the vex is Clovis himself. Clovis prime
That would be crazy 👀
If he was the creator then he wouldn't have needed to steal a vex from the ishar collective. Unless some trippy time travel is involved
@@seraphsin1058 my trippy idea is that he created he inadvertently created himself as a vex mind they mind went in time with the sole purpose of recreating the universe in his image
I'm convinced that the Witness is just Archie the exo dog in disguise. Here's how I think Final Shape will end.
Our guardian confronts Witness. The Witness turns around and says "So we finally meet on the battlefield. It's time I revealed to you my real identity. **takes off mask** Our guardian, unprepared for this revelation, falls to their knees in disbelief and hunches over on all fours staring at the ground trying to process this. Archie then hops out of his Witness suit and walks over to give us kisses. Our guardian then says "No... all this time... it was YOU controlling the darkness?" **cue the end credits with the same song used for Silent Hill 2's dog ending**
@@randybutternubs4647 how is it possible to be this unfunny i wonder
Wrath of machine can come back if the vex get their hands on siva who knows
There is Clarity running through the CloudArk like some kind of circulatory system. It also feeds into the Veil Containment building and the Hydroponics lost sector.
Could siva make super vex like just imagine a hydra useing siva enhance itself
Looks like I called it. The VEX is next after the Final Shape. The last foe
The darkness and light together kind of looks like an hour glass now that I'm taking a closer look at it i didn't see that before until I looked at the right side of the darkness
I love this guy he let us know going on and help us understand the lore even if we don’t play destiny 2 ❤❤❤❤❤
16:44 "...We must not forget what we have been shown"
I feel with the demise of the Witness, the ensuing power vaccum will likely result in several of these lesser followed factions rising up. Im takking about the Psions, the Sol Devisive, and other lesser known races/factions. This race to obtain the Witness's power will be crazy, as the Guardians temaelves are also trying to reach it as well, while stopping everyone else. And perhaps as we reach this power, we may obtain the third darkness power.
Clearly the Vex creator is a Star Trek fan as Vex idea came from the Borg lol
After 40 years, the Cylons have returned
"We are they who created themselves out of themselves and died in the creation. No longer merely the god in the machine, but the machine in the god. ~consume enhance replicate~ Here we rise, made equal at last to that which we worship. ~consume enhance replicate~"- Aksis
It may be Siva, but I cannot think of evolution, time, and ideals for eternity as potentially not a version of one part of the vex beginnings...one part of evolution.
I still see them as just the engine, they set up the definitions of the universe, and use literals to test their definitions. I believe the ones utilizing them are the nine, or the programmers.
Also, they already have shown that the simulation and reality were coterminous, or perfect fidelity...made a post, about how to think of veil, traveler, and what the witness did...pulled reality and the simulation in as one, a confirmation. They still follow a structure though, we need to talk with the programmers, see what they have to say.
Also, from one ghost came many guardians, from one traveler came many ghosts, evidently ghosts have different personalities and a being full of different consciousness went into traveler. And the Warmind is "dead" again (or just doing a predetermined pattern. What I am getting at...we may be actually experiencing the collapse again...how do we get out of the loop...that would be the greatest threat to existence...being explained as not real.
6:45 that's how you're supposed to get past the first spikes? I've just been spamming dodge and jump and dying almost every time lol
I think a paradox. Chioma or maya copies from the lore make them in the future to study themselves and fulfil the loop. We haven’t see the other side of this loop yet. Since they’re humans who know about exos they make them compatible with humans to ensure things fall in line…. Think kang like comic origins with a twist.
I think its safe to say we ALL shot at the oracles during that mission LOL
I think what would be a cool is a split faction of Vex that go agaist the rest!!
i want to see the vex warriors that the drifter once mentioned
So they’re going back to the old beta story of Vex just being the last evolution in terms of humans/exos
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It would be concerning if the Vex got a hold of SIVA, you think they would do something "more" with that infusion of tech?
There should definitely be more light powered enemies and even allies like the fallen
are we just not going to talk about that the new logo seen in the vex net looks VERY close to the ishtar logo?
I really hope they don’t do a time travel red herring and say the vex were once human. I actually wonder what direction they are going with the vex cause it’s still a lot we don’t know
Honestly, I always had this theory since Curse of Osiris that the Vex were a future timeline of us. As in, humanity, in the faaar future. There's so many little hints and signs, but the bodies of Vex and Beyond Light kinda took away from the theory 😅
Neoteric kiyot 👌
This video makes the Vex seem so much more intersting and diverse than the game manages to do. You gave the vex life for me with this.
Well I guess that were going to form a alliance with the vex next
Vex, Vex, Vex, Vex!!!
Here is an interesting thought I just had, the vex arc cannon things we get to drop, why are they able to destroy the blights, is there any lore on that?
robots that can do magic is pretty scary😂reminds me of Warhammer 40k
Where is this Vex Calus warned us about.
Not the right timeline I guess
It's tough to say, but think of it like this-
The vex have the capabilities of combat units, but just don't for a few reasons. Each vex we see now is like a worker with tools at a construction site, Minotaurs are heavy lifters, Hydras the managers, Wyverns the demolition crew, etc...
But the way that the vex work, they probably don't see the need for "combat units" since they operate and think in a way that's so alien to us we can't truly understand it.
And seeing as they work as efficiently as possible, they probably see their construction units being armed with minor self-defense tools as the optimal way to function, seeing as they want to simply convert everything to the Vex, opposed to holding as many wars as possible.
@@The_Art_of_Music_Official Actually iirc from the Beyond Light lore, the Wyverns are the first actual combat units we encountered, however these act more as bodyguards for the main worker units than actual offensive forces. They're basically here because we struck our foot in the anthill and now they're like "hey not cool".
@@IshgarSeth I've heard that theory too, kind of acting as a riot shield or something right?
a stupidly long time ago:
light: so we good with the flower game?
dark: ye
light: ok, so we both get one avatar, and lets make some races.
dark: So I have this really cool idea of a race
light: ok?
dark: so these people right? they juiced themselves into liquid consciousness, so their actual body is super defenseless. To make up for that, I think they should have several machine bodies to contain their body, and the metal is like super good, unrusting and all that.
light: sounds like a fun race.
dark: And I think ...
light: here we go...
Dark: they are able to currupt and change reality, travel through time, and shape the reality how they want to?
light: god dammit...
Hmm reminds me of what happened to Kabr the legion less (he was turned into a vex how does that work?)
so your saying, the vexmilk is not safe to drink?
If ahser is able to make a new vex faction im gonna laugh my butt off
I always wish there was some human enemy type in the game
whats the glaive called at 15:40
Ah yes, the final form
Cylons 😅
It remids me that I absolutely hate bungie for the design of hunter pants in the vex bundle. Ok, i get it, hunter armor, cant be symmetrical, but GOD WHY the fuckin shoe brjdbdjsjn
Which set are you talking about ? Lol but i agree they always have to have some weird piece in each set 😂
Imagine of vex are humans in the far far future
I have to go back to 2014
Holy fuck I feel like I’ve missed so much in the last year of not playing this game lmao the lore always makes me wanna pick it back up and then I rember the lore is god tier while the game is ehh at the best moment ls lmao
Vex connected to exos what if cayed turned evil cuz of this could work for bungie since they don't have shit after the final shape 🤷🏾♂️
What kind of age of ultron ah shi they doin?
Vex are like the Borg.
So VEXOS?
Dookiebootyfartwater
why destiny giving r34 the material 😭
Right out of the gate you say "Vex are not humans" but I am going to completely disagree with that. Mark my words, it will be revealed that both the Witness and the Vex are born of humans in far future timelines. The Vex come from a future possible timeline where Light and Darkness don't exist, and the Witness has the same origin but from a timeline where the Light and Darkness do exist.
The Vex timeline no longer exists, or never existed, and only when the Traveller interacted with humanity on Mars did the Vex corporealise and begin invading. Their invasion is so thorough that they have retroactively inserted themselves into the beginning of the universe. This is how they can time travel (like diving birds), but since this timeline is different to their "origin" timeline, they are unable to make predictions about the Light and Guardians.
Bungie have outright stated that Unveiling is not concrete information, but the community continues to insist on the existence of a pre-universe "garden" where the Vex come from. I argue that the metaphor of the garden does not describe a pre universe state, but instead describes all possible adjacent timelines. The Vex come from one of these possibilities, the Witness from another. But both are the result of a human gestalt intelligence project.
I don't really see the basis of Vex being liquefied humans.
And from my understanding the Black Garden is a simulation of the Primordial Garden.
It's the only location we've been to that's described as a Garden, and in the battle of Light and Dark it describes a Tree of Silver Wings being burned to Cinder.
In the center of the Black Garden we fight the Sanctified mind in what seems to be a giant Tree Stump. The Sol Divisive also treats it as some sort of Holy ground and this is why. It's a direct simulation of where it all started.
they evolved before, we're just seeing it more now because they're getting sloppy.
So hear me out. I been telling my Son this since Destiny 1. I think the VEX are Humans in their final evolution form from the future. (Evangelion level stuff) :P
@@current3109 not sloppy at all. It’s the same achievement they got via Neptune and like I explained from the anime. IT’s the future man. 😂 Why would they alter their body? Lol Exo’s? Lol man I just can’t. Anyways It’s my idea deal with it.
Hell Divers 2 anyone?
You have Guardians (Hell Divers), the Fallen (Bugs) and the Vex (Automatons).
We desperatly need reinforcements here!
Dive in.
Do it for democracy!!
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