Honestly this franchise deserves better. Despite having its major flaws, the Arrowverse has given us some of the best DC content we've ever had than what WB has been trying to do with their movies
DC forcing them to disconnect S&L from the Arrowverse after making all of its initial shows take place on the same Earth and making multiple references to that event AND bringing back a character who makes those references. Diggle even looked like the same in the season finale with the same hairstyle and clothes as he did in a Flash episode from a couple weeks ago. there's literally a scene at the end of COIE where Lois calls Clark about "the boys". even if you hate the Arrowverse or The CW in general, leading the fans on like this was a dick move.
That's a good laugh lmao, your completely forgetting about a bunch of those animated shows and films(some of which are actually considered the best DC content period) and are saying these are better
The biggest tragedy to come out of the Arrowverse is how they denied the opportunity of John Diggle, a fan favorite character who grew into one of the most stable and reliable characters of the Universe since the 1x3 of Arrow, into becoming John Diggle Stewart the Green Lantern after they teased the fanbase after years.
I Think The Arrowverse is dying for these Reasons -Cancelled Shows -Repetitive Storylines -No Real Stakes -Toxic People who are going to hate you just because of Opinions or Theories
All of those things, except for The Arrowverse having cancelled shows are some of the really big problems with the Arrowverse as a whole and why The quality of The Arrowverse sucks.
Here’s what happened with Superman and Lois not being a part of the arrowverse. Originally it was part of the Arrowverse on Earth Prime as we know by the setup at the end of Crisis on Infinite Earths as well as Diggle’s appearance in season 1. Todd Helbing (the show runner) said that at some point during season 1 WB told them to not make it a part of the arrowverse; but by that point the script and filming for the episode where Diggle appeared was probably already done and it was too late to change it, cause keep in mind when season 1 was filmed to 2 week quarantine rule was still in affect where you had to quarantine for 2 weeks once you arrive where the project you’re involved with films. So when it came time for season 2 they had to make it disconnected from the arrowverse. As for why WB told them to do that hasn’t been revealed but here’s my theory. So my guess is that since Discovery at the time was still in talks of buying WB, WB wanted to end whatever they could on their terms since Discovery would then be calling the shots, that and I think that WB wanted/wants to move away from the arrowverse given that they have the DCEU and they didn’t want to have 2 live action connected DC universes occuring at the same time anymore. I mean Arrow, Supergirl, and Black Lightning ended; Batwoman and Legends were cancelled; Stargirl and now Superman and Lois take place on different earths; Naomi took place on another earth; Gotham Knights will take place on another earth. So once Flash ends the arrowverse is over.
@@jturner2577 would have been cool if they had started out doing a definitive DCEU using some of the ideas and casting decisions from the CW shows, and then also had the Snyderverse going as an alternate universe.
Still, they could hint at why the shift occurred, IE the multiverse was reborn, and the universes split off or its a branched timeline or something. They could even give some BS excuse that Bizzaro World or Crazy Cult Lady (I can't remember her name) somehow messed it up. This is the CW / Warner Brothers were talking about. They've done worse ideas / explanations...
@@progamerplayslol probably because season 8 of the Flash got great viewership numbers and didn’t have much bts drama and controversy so the CW gave it an early renewal. That’s just my personal theory
It's kinda sad that the arrowverse is now dead. I grew up watching the arrowverse and I remember watching many reviews on the shows such as this channel. It was all such a fun time but the arrowverse never recovered in my opinion after Arrow ended. They did this to themselves which is quite unfortunate. They made crap after crap and it seemed like they weren't trying anymore. It's sad cause the universe could of lasted many years if they tried a bit more after Arrow ended and hired quality writers for their shows.
They did try to do that with Superman & Lois but at that point, it was already too late. I think it also had something to do with the AT&T and Warner Media merger as clearly during that period, they gave such good care and attention to detail for a show like Superman & Lois probably because they wanted to rejuvenate the character for audiences, but then the Warner/Discovery merger happened, and now it seems like they will probably bring back Henry Cavill's Superman or a completely new Superman for the movies and in turn, I don't think the latter seasons of the show will have the same amount of care, effort and budget put into it as what S1 and S2 had. I have this sinking feeling that this show has already been abandoned by Warner Bros Discovery, and from this point onwards, they are gonna be trying to kill off this show as well, as they did with the Arrowverse.
It sucks that we never got green arrow and the Canaries or painkiller spin off shows. I dont understand why they said no to those 2 and decide to give us naomi and gotham knights instead which sound way worse in comparison. Arrow could of still lived on with Green Arrow and the Canaries spin off new arrowverse show same with Painkiller being the new spin off show for Black Lightning but unfortunately only supergirl got a spin off with Superman and Lois and I heard it was suppose to be part of the arrowverse but they made todd change some scenes. I heard s1 was originally suppose to mention supergirl have pictures of him with Kara and other arrowverse things as well but they had to remove lots of arrowverse references s1.
@@oliverqueen9886 It really is, we should've gotten Green Arrow and the Canaries and Painkiller instead of Naomi and Gotham Knights, they would've been way better additions to the Arrowverse. Naomi was bad and got cancelled and Gotham Knights is gonna be worse. Fuck the CW honestly.
To be honest I think the Arrowverse died right after Crisis. The shows just never felt like they exist in the same universe ever since Arrow ended (Legends of Tomorrow even stopped being a superhero show). And don't get me started on the quality... I also sometimes feel like the Arrowverse was never really great (save for a couple of Arrow seasons and maybe Flash). It had it's fan base and I personally loved it for what it was, but compared to some other superhero shows like the MCU ones (most notably on Netflix), they were always seen as stupid CW shows by the general audience. I mean even some of the crossovers, which were considered the greats of the universe and were all praised by the fandom, had some cheesy dialogue and questionable writing. But they were still very enjoyable and I personally loved them for what they were, like many other fans. But as I look at it now, none of the Earth-Prime shows ended with a good season (except for Arrow). They all declined in quality until they died (including The Flash which is still not finished, but I doubt the next season would make it good). It's sad to see the Arrowverse go out like this, but I guess all things must come to an end eventually. I just hope we can have some good DC shows in the future.
the arrowverse actually used to be pretty popular. Its just that when daredevil came out, people realized how much better it could've been. Then the disney+ shows came out and shot it dead.
@@itamar20112 yeah. Its sad. the arrowverse had tons of potential. Arrow could've been a gritty , grounded superhero show like daredevil I even mapped out what it could've been if it had been good all throughout.
I agree for sure but I feel like since season 8 was actually really god for how bad the show has become, I have a feeling that season 9 will have more budget espically with the villans that are coming, such as bloodwork, colblat blue, and the negative speed force choosing a new avatar
The Arrowverse have been forcely killed. There so many shows that could've tooken place on Earth Prime, but the Arrowverse had a great run and I enjoyed most of it. The annual crossovers had me excited every season and I'm gonna miss the Arrowverse.
@@trevturp7687 I hope that they just stick with making indepent universes for each character. MCU is now becoming bloated with characters, and their unnecessary crossovers with each other after Endgame. Hollywood just can't do a shared universe very well. I want to go back to the days of Avengers:EMH and 2002 Justice League Animated Series.
@@Dave102693 Videos have been made confirming a brand new DC TV Universe is going to be created by Superman and Loisand hopefully this universe will have better quality than The Arrowverse.
Actually, the thing that slowly poisoned the Arrowverse was when Andrew Kreisberg was fired. Don't get me wrong; the guy was a garbage human being but you can trace the drastic decline in quality to his removal from the shows. Especially Legends of Tomorrow. That was his baby and it was dropped down the stairs on it's head when he was canned!
Honestly it felt like WB has been wanting to kill the Arrowverse for a long time, even as far back as Arrow S2 as they were told to kill off the Suicide Squad, for the movie that they themselves are now retconning out of canon, at the start of S3, which was originally planned to play a much bigger role in S3 and S4 resulting in a very different 3rd and 4th season (mostly 4th as they were meant to play a bigger role towards the end of S3 rather than the beginning and that's arguably where the downfall of the Arrowverse began). That right there shows you the amount of respect they had for this universe even back when it was considered not just great, but mostly better than the movies they were producing. So I'm not really surprised at all that they're trying to end this franchise considering how it's not even a shell of itself now and there's no respect for it amongst the general viewer anymore. Favourite season: Arrow S2/The Flash S1 (can't decide).
What do you mean "the movie that they themselves are now retconning out of canon?" Suicide Squad is still canon to the DCEU. In fact, when they replaced Will Smith with Idris Elba for The Suicide Squad, they rewrote Elba's character to Bloodsport so that Will Smith's Deadshot could still be canon.
@@SeanWheeler100 Let's reserve that judgement for the next time we see that version of Will Smith, Killer Croc, June Moon together again, because I don't think that's happening anytime soon. The whole premise behind the "The Suicide Squad" movie is that it's like a soft reboot of the original one. There's a reason why it's not called Suicide Squad 2.
@@Dhruv-qw7jf But the events of the first Suicide Squad movie still happened. James Gunn's The Suicide Squad movie may have had a different roster, but it doesn't contradict the first Suicide Squad movie that depicts the first Task Force X that Amanda Waller formed.
Basically, WB ruins every DC Universe but the issues on the DCEU took center stage meanwhile the Arrowverse had CW to take the blame for everything WB didn't allow them to use or changed.
The real-life explanation for Superman & Lois being separated from the Arrowverse is that with the CW possibly up for sale they didn't want to get caught in a royalties issue every single time they referenced a character from another show. S&L can continue regardless of the other shows ending (Superman being a whole massive piece of copyright unto himself).
It’s unfair to not take Covid (lockdowns, hiatuses, and filming regulations) into account. They ended 2019 with an entirely new connected Earth, just for crossovers to be banned and every show having to end their seasons halfway through the second half. The joke about the most of the justice league having left before ever appearing again probably wouldn’t have been true in a world where their following seasons didn’t have to play last year‘s catch up, whilst also making sure to not have more than five actors in a scene.
@@zataha3 If you believe that about the quality, that’s completely fine, but it’s not the reason that the Arrowverse fell apart. Arrow and Black lightning ended naturally, but Supergirl wanted to spend more time with her kid, and Batwoman and Legends got cancelled because of corporate restructuring. I fully believe Superman and Lois would not have been retconned into another universe if they had a couple of crossovers in their first season.
@@zataha3 Once again, you are making a subjective judgement based on opinion. It’s been seven years since season four of The Flash, so that’s clearly not the reason the Arrowverse died this year. You’re being obtuse.
If they do bring out a new universe based on superman and Louis then they need to at least bring back grant gusting as Barry. He has had so many awful stories recently but if you look back to the height of the flash (S1to 3) then you can see that Grant has some amazing range with his acting.
Bro I doubt that's gonna happen ever for once the flash wraps up its 9th season its officially 100% dead with only stargirl and Superman & Lois continuing on but as thier separate universe and stories
I'd hope they actually have Grant appear for at least one episode of S&L, he's a Superman fan, had great chemistry with pretty much everyone and they could mention Kara.
@@emsleywyatt3400r he is still the flash but he didn’t faster than superman because in superman and Lois, superman is the fastest man alive and just like marvel what if and dc arrowverse series said In the multiverse, justice league members should be having power or being hero with training. Also in this earth, Oliver inspire by Batman and Barry still inspire by Oliver but Batman be hero is because Wonder Woman and superman inspire him , the important thing is superman and Lois earth iris is die and Barry marry every lady in the flash series instead also Oliver is do that too and Barry also marry Kara and Kara like peace and destroy in the same time before meet Barry Allen and every arrowverse hero and bat family are inspire by this superman.
Yeah that's pretty much it for me as well. The Arrow finale (which is essentially the epilogue of Crisis) was pretty much the last episode I was really invested in.
@@sonicsega6 Yeah he said he saw other earths and saw other earths heroes and went on to say even though they only have Superman on their earth they're very lucky to have him because he's the best hero in all the earths pretty much.
Why did Superman & Lois have to be separated from Earth-Prime when the title characters reprised their roles from Supergirl, the show was set up by Crisis on Infinite Earths when Clark learned the multiverse reboot changed the number of kids he has, and John Diggle showed up?
Ever since the CW announced Arrow had made its final season, this franchise is at its closing phase, with low ratings, final seasons for Black Lightning, Supergirl, Batwoman & Legends, the writing's on the wall. It's a house of cards, 1 card falls, they all fall. Slow Painful Death? 🤨 It's already dead.
the fact the crisis could've opened a lot of doors and a lot of potential and shows and instead they made post-crisis even worse somehow is beyond me like they could've had the green lantern corps without John Stewart or maybe another earth would've been fine by me or have blue beetle/booster gold show
I think it was laziness on their part. By creating Superman and Lois they proved that they could always do better, but didn't want to. This franchise was and will remain DC's only successful attempt at a connected universe like Marvel.
@@balsasjekloca9308 We're talking only about live action and the animated universe of DC was a failure. Only the justice league was great and I'm referring to the old series
@@steamrazor8084 1) you didn't specify we were talking live action 2) a failure? It ran for 14 years and the show that started (Batman: The Animated Series) is considered one of the greatest and most influential comic book tv shows of all time. You don't like it, and that's your opinion, but I was not a failure.
@@balsasjekloca9308 1) I thought since the video was about the Arrowverse it was implicit that I was talking about live action. I don't count Vixen and freedom fighters. So you're right I should have made it clear since now the MCU is also animated. 2) We're talking about the same universe. The one with the Batman series and the justice league. The failure for me it's the movies they released from Flash flashpoint paradox to the new reboot.
@@balsasjekloca9308 The Batman animated series was awesome and all the series it created. However they can't be compare narratively to a cinematic universe.
Actually Arrowverse died after Crisis. And there wasnt major event after this. No more interactions after this. It was pretty fun, when Oliver asked Singh and Flash delivered the message. And there was chance of seeing Oliver in Legends.
I think the arrowverse could last longer like a few years but I don't mind it ending because it has been a good more or less run, at least if they want to end it they should make it a good ending to leave his mark, at least a good flash ending because the flash is like the "main" series of arrowverse
I heard that it was confirmed that there are heroes on the Superman and Lois earth but no super powered heroes so to me that sounded like a loop hole they made so they could have characters like Batman on the show and maybe give them their own spin off with competent writers
I’d have to say Arrow season 2 or 5 and The Flash Season 1 were the best. I completely agreed with your rankings of which seasons were good and bad. I enjoyed Legends until around the time they first started using Constantine. As the seasons went on it became less about superhero’s and more about whacky comedy. I think the success of the first Bebo episode led to their downfall. Legends had way too many team changes and botched the exits of old characters. I liked Supergirl when they had Reign, Agent Liberty and Lex as the villains. Batwoman blah, Alice was good but overused, then the show died when Ruby Rose left. I never watched Black Lightning. Star Girl has been enjoyable, the second season had a cool horror theme to it.
I still believe that all shows and movies are connected (given I was disappointed to hear SM&L wasn't Arrowverse)... Even after Crisis. BC I believe when Oliver gave birth to the universe again, he didn't just give birth to the Prime Earth, but the multiverse as well.
my guess is the John Diggle and Henry Irons scene was shot either shortly before or after the WB/Discovery merger and the cancelations of Legends of Tomorrow and Batwoman. which that wipes out half of the entire Arrowverse shows from the board. What probably happened was a meeting with the Arrowverse writers and producers came together and put it to a vote. "Do any of us want Superman and Lois to take place in the Arrowverse anymore?" It then turned into either a close or unanimous no from everyone involved. any thoughts?
Nah Arrow died after season four. (When he became mayor and was in a position to change star city from within.) Flash was season 2 (it got canned due to budget issues and was replaced by "flash and friends.") And supergirl was season 4 (As her character arc was fulfilled.) Batwohmen never aired.
Honestly it was fun while it lasted but unfortunately nothing lasts forever not even the arrowverse, which is sad because it starred out strong but man oh man decreased in quality over the years.
So, I'm assuming DC's decision to separate Superman & Lois from Earth-Prime will lead to another connected TV Universe that will be the successor to the Arrowverse.
I guess so. Maybe we can finally get a Batman show cause for some reason they can't make a proper Batman show and instead we get every other character.
I thinking that Discovery cancells and ending their shows shows for introducing the characters in the rebooted DCEU. But if they should do a new DC Tv Universe on HBO Max. i want: -a Batman show (if Discovey will not do the "we didn't give to TV the best heroes 'cause we wanted those heroes in the movies" thing that annoys me) where we see a young Batman. who later crossover with S&L in a World's Finest miniseries. -Also a The Flash reboot series (where i want a more comic book Flash. and also MORE Wally pls) -a Green Lantern show where John Diggle is trained by an old Hal Jordan would be cool (if they wanted to make this version of Diggle Green Lantern) -and after those shows. they finally do a Justice League series where every year the characters meet in every season to fight the main villain (something like the Avengers movies but on TV and every year) Or also. with The Flash movie who should change the DCEU (who i hope mantaining the good stuff like the Shazam movies, Aquaman movies with Mera recasted, Wonder Woman movies, The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker, and recasting Superman, Batman and The Flash). would change also some earths of the Multiverse. and then they should fuse Superman & Lois with also Titans and Doom Patrol and trying to build a new universe from this shows (Stargirl wouldn't not included and be is own thing)
@Jack Big i mean a TV series. The only we got was the 1966 show. So would be the time for another Batman show (apart The Batman who have begun his Batman Universe)
I have an idea for Flash and Superman & Lois crossover: What they could do is that Flash discovers that the multiverse is back and he goes to the one of the earths (Superman & Lois’s earth) to see if the multiverse is really back and there he meets Superman and Flash could help him defeat a villain.
I want to see a inside joke , superman: you are the fastest man alive , flash. Barry: no , superman, not anymore, I am no longer the fastest man alive. Superman or should I mean Clark Kent , you are the fastest man alive now.
DC forcing them to disconnect S&L from the Arrowverse after making all of its initial shows take place on the same Earth and making multiple references to that event AND bringing back a character who makes those references. Diggle even looked like the same in the season finale with the same hairstyle and clothes as he did in a Flash episode from a couple weeks ago. there's literally a scene at the end of COIE where Lois calls Clark about "the boys". even if you hate the Arrowverse or The CW in general, leading the fans on like this was a dick move.
It was. I agree. But it might be a good thing that Superman and Lois takes place on another earth because in Supergirl they made that version of Superman too weak and always get outshined by Supergirl and pretty much made Superman a B tier hero. In Superman and Lois Superman gets outshined by nobody. In that show they made Superman powerful af and he plays second fiddle to nobody. They actually make him a "S" tier hero in that show. Haha
@@coolsteve1985 But then, that would mean Earth-38 Superman would forever be in Supergirl's shadow. Giving him a spinoff would have given him the chance to finally outshine Kara. But no, they had to retcon this show to a different universe where nothing he does was ever canon to Kara's cousin, and so by making this stronger Superman just a multiverse doppelganger rather than a continuation of the Arrowverse Superman, they stopped the redemption of Superman. So I'd actually argue separating Superman & Lois from Earth-Prime is the WORST thing regarding Superman.
*Nothing good last forever, which is why the arrowverse will probably keep going for even more years...* I'm kidding, I actually enjoyed the arrowverse when it was in it's prime. Now I really only watch the Flash and Superman & Lois. Every other show either ended or is hot garbage. I stopped watching Legends after season 3, stopped watching Supergirl after season 2, and was never really interested in Black Lightning from the get go. And don't even get me started on Batwoman. Overall, it's been 10 years, I think it's time to call it quits with the arrowverse, I mean I wish it had a better and less painful death but yeah. I'll probably keep watching the Flash until it ends as well as Superman & Lois. But that's all.
Season 4 of black lightning was trash. My favorite season of black lightning was by far the third. They took a huge step forward in its third season and then took a huge step backwards in its final season.
Black Lightning is so underrated….especially for a black superhero tv show. Supergirl was great, Batwomen was terrible until Ryan came in during Season 2. Legends of Tomorrow was great at first but went down hill but started to go back up until it was canceled. Stargirl is great and hopes it keeps going. Superman and Lois i haven’t watched it. Arrow was great. Flash is going downhill but has its great moments in terrible seasons. Naomi was slow but it became great and should have gotten another chance. This franchise has been dying for so long and as proven it this video some of the fans don’t give any of the other shows a chance, it deserved better
A combination of things. I will list them in no particular order -Decline of quality over the seasons -Consistent cringe wokeness alienating viewers along with bad writing/storylines -Main characters consistently being background characters in their own show -Continued use of outdated 20+ episode villain of the week format despite being outdated -Alternatives being available on other platforms with bigger budgets and more buzz -RUclipsrs moving on and not covering it as much fading Arrowverse further into obscurity -Generally people just growing out of it and moving on to other things -CW being a laughing stock in general -HBOmax I can name more. Far more but we'll be here all day. You get the idea. I remember a period when The Flash was so hot some youtubers full time job was just discussing the show. It had a good run. It was fun while it lasted, but I'm afraid it is time to move on.
I think we'll see some of the actors and characters make the jump to the big screen. They have some of the best liveaction versions of the characters and can be a lot better with good writing
Bro i am really sad for the arrowverse it was a huge part of my life half of my life has been watching and being intreged by the crosspvers amd everything else but now it has come to an end
In All Honesty I have Alot of Ups and Downs with the Arrowverse but to Me,the Arrowverse Died by Disrespecting the Source Material,Stretching too many Seasons,the Crossovers,and Crisis on Infinite Earths being the Last Straw,the Only Good Things about it Right Now are Superman and Lois and Stargirl and I Hope and Pray it Stays that Way
@@trevturp7687 I Know That they aren't Part of It which makes them Better and the Problem Is Simple,When it comes to a Series on a Runtime it's Normally the First 2 Seasons that Work and Crossover could be Fun at First,However the More it Grows,the More Complicated it becomes to the Point that it a Mess and with Separate Writers on Each Series it makes it Harder to Follow Up and in the End the More it Has the Lesser it Becomes.
@@featherguardian6023 The writers should just do their own things with these shows and have these things only effect what happens in the shows they are writing, for example in The Flash Season 3, the writers should have just had the consequences of Flashpoint only effect what happened in The Flash and not any of the other Arrowverse shows, I know that these led to the creation of John Diggle Jr. and I’m grateful for that, but the writers of Arrow could have created that character without having to use Flashpoint to do it. Hopefully The Superverse doesn’t have this problem.
i think what they will and should do is that flash ends on season 10. with the finale being barry and eobard going back in time, with eobard trying to kill barry. that future flash we saw tell barry not to save his mom in season 1? that is gonna be the barry from the season 10 finale. and barry saving his kid self, that's going to be the end of the show. if it isn't, they missed a perfect opportunity.
And when Barry goes back to his time in the future he gets to star labs and when he gets there he sees the team slowly vanish away and he realizes that a another timeline has been created (because he saved his child self)as he also slowly vanishes away. Now Eobard has create the flash again so he can return to his time because he lost his speed due to Barry Allen (as a child) not being the flash yet. Because Eobard got motivated by Barry to become a Speedster.
This all came put when I was in 4th grade. Now I'm graduated and it's ending. I could definitely see the decline in quality due to seasons I missed but I'll definitely still finish all the arrowverse shows because I've been watching them since around 2014
Superman & Lois is an Arrowverse show to me. The continuity was handled too poorly for me to just up and believe what was said. Lois: John Diggle? *hugs him* John: *Crisis on Infinite Earths reference* Superman & Lois: *visibly NOT confused* Sam Lane: We're in a completely different multiverse! Yeah, no.
Completely different universe* from the multiverse, one out of the infinite ones where they already knew John Diggle and Oliver Queen and also in this universe Oliver probably died during Crisis on Infinite Earths but he didn't become the Spectre afterwards, if infinity is the limit of possibility in the multiverse then there is literally an infinite possibility of that happening in one of the universes of the multiverse. That being said, I'm definitely certain that it was initially planned to be in the Arrowverse and they are backpedaling in S2, because the writing for S1 was already completed by the time DC/WB told them to separate it from the Arrowverse.
@@Dhruv-qw7jf Except everyone was killed by the Crisis except who we saw survive it. I refuse to believe such sloppily executed continuity. For them to tell me that something is one thing when I know I saw another is insulting to my intelligence.
Honestly the arrowverse only truly has the Flash. Star Girl is on another earth but nothings happened with that and Superman and Lois just can’t be in the arrowverse it’s like they forgot Super Girl
I would like to see Superman and Lois on earth 2 because Sam lane said there is no hero “like Superman”. This could mean stargirl is on the same earth cuz stargirl and the new JSA are not a public thing. There’s the old JSA but most of them died or retired. Leaving Superman the own current powered hero on that earth.
its sad to see the arrowverse nearly gone, but the line up needs a fresh team of heroes and a new start on things, I dont know if it will even happen but the shows of S&L and stargirl, gives a opportunity to see a different version of the characters that was once known in the arrowverse
Honestly I was really surprised to see how many people were very upset that Superman and Lois was disconnected personally it was like the best news ever for me so it's not being held back by being in the verse
I was fine with them just not referencing the rest of the Arrowverse, since most of it isn’t very good anyways, but I didn’t feel like they needed to explicitly say that it was a different world. All of the shows have world ending threats each season and really, and an acceptable reason for why Supergirl doesn’t fly in to help is that it’s not her show. It just would’ve been cool to have the final show of the Arrowverse be one that’s consistently good.
The way how they present the shows for DC they always have very good momentum for 1-3 seasons then the downfall begins for the creative direction & the viewership starts to decline due to the writing of the characters. That’s why as a viewer the show will become stale or not continue watching due to repetition of what happen in similar situations just like in the previous season.
If we look at complete shows with all seasons, it baffles me how behind Flash is to Arrow..... When I look back season 4 and 6 are the only dark horses of Arrow whereas The Flash went downhill very quickly after a mind bending season 3 And it didn't recover ever since
I freaking hate the Arrowverse now, but I’ll never forget those first seasons of the Flash and Arrow. To me, they defined what a superhero show should be that WB and CW ruining Arrowverse by WB not allow CW do certain character cause WB thought us fan would be confuse if there two Batman on TV and movie and I remember WB made CW kill off certain character or didn't allow CW do character and CW kill it by focus on storyline that we don't care about like how many episodes we had to watch oliver and felicity force love each other which fun fact both actor dislike that idea but CW didn't care
Superman and Lois as been renewed for a fourth season with 10 episodes. However, the show will get huge budget cuts, so most of the supporting cast will leave the show. The ongoing theory on the internet is that the Kents are going to move back to Metropolis. I'm pretty sure that season 4 will be the last season for Superman and Lois.
It had a great beginning! Exciting crossover events, but struggled with their ends. I think Arrow’s ending was well done. Considering what had happened in the middle seasons.
i’m not one for shows with a darker tone, but arrow was great. season 2 is my favorite arroweverse season, i think. the flash wasn’t my favorite from the beginning, but it was alright at first. i stopped watching halfway through s5. just couldn’t deal with it anymore. supergirl was good for a while, s1 was slow, but had its moments. the cw took over after that, and i really did enjoy seasons 2 and 3. declined pretty fast after that, and s6 was absolutely horrendous, poorly written, rushed, made no sense, and seemed to forget that kara is the main character. legends of tomorrow seemed weird to me at first but quickly became my favorite, and it remains that way. the quality is all over the place from season to season, but the ensemble cast works quite well, and they’ve embraced the weirdness without ever taking themselves too seriously. i hated batwoman s1, couldn’t finish it, but then i skipped right to s2 and that i found much more enjoyable. not the greatest, but i did finish the show and the cancellation was upsetting. black lightning i never finished, i dont even know why, since i did like the first couple of seasons a lot. never saw stargirl or superman and lois, and i dont intend to.
Honestly Superman and Lois and Flash season 8 is litterally carring the Arrowverse at this point, like the only season of the flash that was good since season 3
Absolutely love Arrow. One of my favorite shows of all time. That being said Oliver makes really really stupid decisions in the show. I know it's the writers either writing themselves into or out of a plot line, but it got old.
You are right, Green Arrow did make a lot of dumb decisions in the show and not only is this one of the problems with Arrow, but this is one of the problems with The Arrowverse as a whole, characters make really stupid decisions in these shows and it’s really frustrating.
Finally someone with a similar opinion lol i also loved arrow from season 1-2, 5-8. loved Flash season 1 and 2 season 3 started going downhill from there on. Black Lightning wasn't bad, I watched the whole thing. Legends I gave up on it after season 3 because it became a comedy show Supergirl and Batwoman i actually tried watching but couldn't go past either show after episode 2 each Stargirl has been pretty cool and enjoyable Naomi was type boring, didn't go past episode 3 Superman & Lois has been amazing so far. Fan Opinion: things could had been a lot better if they would had done other big characters such as wonderwoman, batman, instead of batwoman and supergirl then eventually introduce green lantern in the mix and stuck with diggle actually becoming gl since after crisis they were working their way up to the jl unfortunately due to certain rights none of this could had gone down.
They wasted so many good ideas and casting decisions on these shows, and it became a soap opera mess. Would have been cool to see these ideas and casting decisions with a bigger budget and better writing on the big screen.
Arrowverse has been dead since 2020 when arrow ended and the pandemic started so many shows ending after arrow then found out canaries show wasn’t happening then black lightning was cancelled then super girl was canceled then batwoman had drama and then it was canceled then this past month legends got canceled since they had a new ceo at CW because they joined with discovery so now it’s dead with the flash being canceled to
Wally West and Olivers Son for this earth would be cool as Flash and Green Arrow and also other heroes like red tornado, the myth Batman (the version from Gotham would be cool), and other arrowverse simular heroes
I mean on the flash thing, while there were some good moments that happened in s6b, s7, s8 and potentially in s9, its not like those seasons absolutely had to happen or moreso had to happen with barry allen still as the main character, I still dont understand whomever made the decision to cut out barry going missing and thawne as leader of the shadow demons during original crisis plans, completely scrapped it for reasons that didnt make sense to go with other than to subvert obvious expectations not to mention it for most part erased arrows post apocalyptic future and made all that time watching mostly pointless so great job
here's my ideal DCTU/arrowverse: Alias the spider (who'll be rip-off batman instead of green arrow) The flash Alias the spider season 2 (where john diggle reveals his last name is stewart) Wonder woman black lighting Justice league (8 episodes with all the characters from the shows, along with john finding a GL ring) Wild dog The flash season 2 (which features aquaman in a 2 part episode) Wonder woman season 2 (which feature's superman in a 2 part episode) Black lighting season 2 (which features cyborg) Alias the spider season 3 (where john becomes a green lantern and leaves) Wild dog season 2 Flash season 3 Justice league season 2 with flash, the spider, wonder woman, superman, cyborg and aquaman.
@@SeanWheeler100 their both rich playboy philanthropists who suit up as heroes to protect their city. Only difference is that we don't know anything about the spider's parents, but that could easily be added in. And the reason that I'm not using batman himself is because the cw weren't allowed to use batman, so they used green arrow as a stand-in, but I don't want to use him because that wastes his potential.
The Arrowverse had some issues after it got a lot of the shows going, for Arrow the biggest issue with it for me was how over populated the team got they could have cut out Wild Dog and Mr. Terrific and how they introduced Black Canary who shouldn't have been someone he already knew. The issue with The Flash is them trying to keep it with the villain of the week format while also trying to make it more serialized plus the inherit problem The Flash has in the comics is that most of his villains shouldn't be that much of a threat to him so he has to be written in a nerfed state. Supergirl and Batwoman issue is that they are just discount female Superman and Batman plus Supergirl was aged up to the point that her character was too adjusted to living on Earth that she lost the most compelling aspect of herself from the comics which is her trying to find her way on a strange new world and her cultural differences from humans and as for Batwoman the whole LGBT aspect was always going to be a hard sell. Legends of Tomorrow with the whole time travel thing was going to get old fast and it did, it might have worked better a just a team show if they couldn't use Justice League or Justice Society they could have come up with a name or use another team name from the comics that they could have gotten away with. Black Lightning was going to be a hard sell with it's overt social themes which is from the comics. Also the the length of the seasons made the over arcing plots linger too much personally 12 to 15 episodes per season is enough.
Honestly this franchise deserves better. Despite having its major flaws, the Arrowverse has given us some of the best DC content we've ever had than what WB has been trying to do with their movies
DC forcing them to disconnect S&L from the Arrowverse after making all of its initial shows take place on the same Earth and making multiple references to that event AND bringing back a character who makes those references. Diggle even looked like the same in the season finale with the same hairstyle and clothes as he did in a Flash episode from a couple weeks ago. there's literally a scene at the end of COIE where Lois calls Clark about "the boys". even if you hate the Arrowverse or The CW in general, leading the fans on like this was a dick move.
@@AJ-xc4qe it was a creative deviation so it doesn't have to follow the continuity of the arrowverse which I'm actually thankful for
It would have been cool to see some of these ideas and casting decisions on the big screen.
That's a good laugh lmao, your completely forgetting about a bunch of those animated shows and films(some of which are actually considered the best DC content period) and are saying these are better
@@blyat8832 I think he was just saying it was some of the best for him
The biggest tragedy to come out of the Arrowverse is how they denied the opportunity of John Diggle, a fan favorite character who grew into one of the most stable and reliable characters of the Universe since the 1x3 of Arrow, into becoming John Diggle Stewart the Green Lantern after they teased the fanbase after years.
John Diggle was there since 1x01 of Arrow, not 1x03 lol.
@@Dhruv-qw7jf 1x03 is when Oliver reveals he’s the vigilante to Dig. Try using that cobweb infested brain of yours.
@@accidentalmadness1708 bro why are you so mad at him for making a mistake?
@@commonchadw2198 honesty bad day and lol 😂 drives me up the wall
I Think The Arrowverse is dying for these Reasons
-Cancelled Shows
-Repetitive Storylines
-No Real Stakes
-Toxic People who are going to hate you just because of Opinions or Theories
Yes those are some great reasons which I totally agree
Legends, Supergirl, Black Lightning & Arrow should have lasted longer
@@noahfitness3974 Arrow I don't agree with, purely because the show ending in that moment made sense
All of those things, except for The Arrowverse having cancelled shows are some of the really big problems with the Arrowverse as a whole and why The quality of The Arrowverse sucks.
And the Pandemic as well
Here’s what happened with Superman and Lois not being a part of the arrowverse. Originally it was part of the Arrowverse on Earth Prime as we know by the setup at the end of Crisis on Infinite Earths as well as Diggle’s appearance in season 1. Todd Helbing (the show runner) said that at some point during season 1 WB told them to not make it a part of the arrowverse; but by that point the script and filming for the episode where Diggle appeared was probably already done and it was too late to change it, cause keep in mind when season 1 was filmed to 2 week quarantine rule was still in affect where you had to quarantine for 2 weeks once you arrive where the project you’re involved with films. So when it came time for season 2 they had to make it disconnected from the arrowverse. As for why WB told them to do that hasn’t been revealed but here’s my theory. So my guess is that since Discovery at the time was still in talks of buying WB, WB wanted to end whatever they could on their terms since Discovery would then be calling the shots, that and I think that WB wanted/wants to move away from the arrowverse given that they have the DCEU and they didn’t want to have 2 live action connected DC universes occuring at the same time anymore. I mean Arrow, Supergirl, and Black Lightning ended; Batwoman and Legends were cancelled; Stargirl and now Superman and Lois take place on different earths; Naomi took place on another earth; Gotham Knights will take place on another earth. So once Flash ends the arrowverse is over.
I still think 2 Live Action Connected DC universes should still be a thing.
@@jturner2577 would have been cool if they had started out doing a definitive DCEU using some of the ideas and casting decisions from the CW shows, and then also had the Snyderverse going as an alternate universe.
I don’t understand one thing, if they want to kill the arrowverse then why didn’t they end the Flash after season 8?
Still, they could hint at why the shift occurred, IE the multiverse was reborn, and the universes split off or its a branched timeline or something. They could even give some BS excuse that Bizzaro World or Crazy Cult Lady (I can't remember her name) somehow messed it up.
This is the CW / Warner Brothers were talking about. They've done worse ideas / explanations...
@@progamerplayslol probably because season 8 of the Flash got great viewership numbers and didn’t have much bts drama and controversy so the CW gave it an early renewal.
That’s just my personal theory
It's kinda sad that the arrowverse is now dead. I grew up watching the arrowverse and I remember watching many reviews on the shows such as this channel. It was all such a fun time but the arrowverse never recovered in my opinion after Arrow ended. They did this to themselves which is quite unfortunate. They made crap after crap and it seemed like they weren't trying anymore. It's sad cause the universe could of lasted many years if they tried a bit more after Arrow ended and hired quality writers for their shows.
They did try to do that with Superman & Lois but at that point, it was already too late. I think it also had something to do with the AT&T and Warner Media merger as clearly during that period, they gave such good care and attention to detail for a show like Superman & Lois probably because they wanted to rejuvenate the character for audiences, but then the Warner/Discovery merger happened, and now it seems like they will probably bring back Henry Cavill's Superman or a completely new Superman for the movies and in turn, I don't think the latter seasons of the show will have the same amount of care, effort and budget put into it as what S1 and S2 had. I have this sinking feeling that this show has already been abandoned by Warner Bros Discovery, and from this point onwards, they are gonna be trying to kill off this show as well, as they did with the Arrowverse.
@@Dhruv-qw7jf Damn that would suck if Superman and Lois turns bad and loses the care that the first two seasons had. The show has a lot of potential
It sucks that we never got green arrow and the Canaries or painkiller spin off shows. I dont understand why they said no to those 2 and decide to give us naomi and gotham knights instead which sound way worse in comparison. Arrow could of still lived on with Green Arrow and the Canaries spin off new arrowverse show same with Painkiller being the new spin off show for Black Lightning but unfortunately only supergirl got a spin off with Superman and Lois and I heard it was suppose to be part of the arrowverse but they made todd change some scenes. I heard s1 was originally suppose to mention supergirl have pictures of him with Kara and other arrowverse things as well but they had to remove lots of arrowverse references s1.
@@oliverqueen9886 It really is, we should've gotten Green Arrow and the Canaries and Painkiller instead of Naomi and Gotham Knights, they would've been way better additions to the Arrowverse. Naomi was bad and got cancelled and Gotham Knights is gonna be worse. Fuck the CW honestly.
Arrow ending isn’t the reason why The Arrowverse is dying.
“Batman, who’s been a myth for the last 20 years” sounds about right.
To be honest I think the Arrowverse died right after Crisis. The shows just never felt like they exist in the same universe ever since Arrow ended (Legends of Tomorrow even stopped being a superhero show). And don't get me started on the quality...
I also sometimes feel like the Arrowverse was never really great (save for a couple of Arrow seasons and maybe Flash). It had it's fan base and I personally loved it for what it was, but compared to some other superhero shows like the MCU ones (most notably on Netflix), they were always seen as stupid CW shows by the general audience. I mean even some of the crossovers, which were considered the greats of the universe and were all praised by the fandom, had some cheesy dialogue and questionable writing. But they were still very enjoyable and I personally loved them for what they were, like many other fans.
But as I look at it now, none of the Earth-Prime shows ended with a good season (except for Arrow). They all declined in quality until they died (including The Flash which is still not finished, but I doubt the next season would make it good). It's sad to see the Arrowverse go out like this, but I guess all things must come to an end eventually. I just hope we can have some good DC shows in the future.
the arrowverse actually used to be pretty popular.
Its just that when daredevil came out, people realized how much better it could've been.
Then the disney+ shows came out and shot it dead.
@@ProjektTaku Oh for sure. I didn't refer to the popularity of the Arrowverse, I talked about the quality.
@@itamar20112 yeah. Its sad. the arrowverse had tons of potential.
Arrow could've been a gritty , grounded superhero show like daredevil
I even mapped out what it could've been if it had been good all throughout.
I agree for sure but I feel like since season 8 was actually really god for how bad the show has become, I have a feeling that season 9 will have more budget espically with the villans that are coming, such as bloodwork, colblat blue, and the negative speed force choosing a new avatar
I wished all of those shows would of ended after Crisis.
The quality tanked hard, even before the pandemic.
The Arrowverse have been forcely killed. There so many shows that could've tooken place on Earth Prime, but the Arrowverse had a great run and I enjoyed most of it. The annual crossovers had me excited every season and I'm gonna miss the Arrowverse.
Hopefully they will make a better DC TV Universe than The Arrowverse ever was.
@@trevturp7687 I hope that they just stick with making indepent universes for each character. MCU is now becoming bloated with characters, and their unnecessary crossovers with each other after Endgame. Hollywood just can't do a shared universe very well. I want to go back to the days of Avengers:EMH and 2002 Justice League Animated Series.
@@Dave102693 Videos have been made confirming a brand new DC TV Universe is going to be created by Superman and Loisand hopefully this universe will have better quality than The Arrowverse.
@@trevturp7687 I doubt it, but who knows? 🤷🏾♀️
@@Dave102693 Why do you doubt it? Superman and Lois is an amazing TV Show.
Actually, the thing that slowly poisoned the Arrowverse was when Andrew Kreisberg was fired. Don't get me wrong; the guy was a garbage human being but you can trace the drastic decline in quality to his removal from the shows. Especially Legends of Tomorrow. That was his baby and it was dropped down the stairs on it's head when he was canned!
Yeah I think you gotta point. Unfortunately he was not a good person
should've gotten a kevin feige like person to oversee the arrowverse.
@@ProjektTaku Facts
@@ProjektTaku Agreed
@@ProjektTaku Exactly
Honestly it felt like WB has been wanting to kill the Arrowverse for a long time, even as far back as Arrow S2 as they were told to kill off the Suicide Squad, for the movie that they themselves are now retconning out of canon, at the start of S3, which was originally planned to play a much bigger role in S3 and S4 resulting in a very different 3rd and 4th season (mostly 4th as they were meant to play a bigger role towards the end of S3 rather than the beginning and that's arguably where the downfall of the Arrowverse began). That right there shows you the amount of respect they had for this universe even back when it was considered not just great, but mostly better than the movies they were producing. So I'm not really surprised at all that they're trying to end this franchise considering how it's not even a shell of itself now and there's no respect for it amongst the general viewer anymore.
Favourite season: Arrow S2/The Flash S1 (can't decide).
What do you mean "the movie that they themselves are now retconning out of canon?" Suicide Squad is still canon to the DCEU. In fact, when they replaced Will Smith with Idris Elba for The Suicide Squad, they rewrote Elba's character to Bloodsport so that Will Smith's Deadshot could still be canon.
@@SeanWheeler100 Let's reserve that judgement for the next time we see that version of Will Smith, Killer Croc, June Moon together again, because I don't think that's happening anytime soon. The whole premise behind the "The Suicide Squad" movie is that it's like a soft reboot of the original one. There's a reason why it's not called Suicide Squad 2.
@@Dhruv-qw7jf But the events of the first Suicide Squad movie still happened. James Gunn's The Suicide Squad movie may have had a different roster, but it doesn't contradict the first Suicide Squad movie that depicts the first Task Force X that Amanda Waller formed.
Basically, WB ruins every DC Universe but the issues on the DCEU took center stage meanwhile the Arrowverse had CW to take the blame for everything WB didn't allow them to use or changed.
@@SeanWheeler100 The DCEU is over. James Gunn is starting the "DCU" and not keeping anything from the Snyderverse or the DCEU.
The real-life explanation for Superman & Lois being separated from the Arrowverse is that with the CW possibly up for sale they didn't want to get caught in a royalties issue every single time they referenced a character from another show. S&L can continue regardless of the other shows ending (Superman being a whole massive piece of copyright unto himself).
It’s unfair to not take Covid (lockdowns, hiatuses, and filming regulations) into account. They ended 2019 with an entirely new connected Earth, just for crossovers to be banned and every show having to end their seasons halfway through the second half. The joke about the most of the justice league having left before ever appearing again probably wouldn’t have been true in a world where their following seasons didn’t have to play last year‘s catch up, whilst also making sure to not have more than five actors in a scene.
No it was in decline long before that
Should have let Nate have a seat at the table
@@zataha3 If you believe that about the quality, that’s completely fine, but it’s not the reason that the Arrowverse fell apart. Arrow and Black lightning ended naturally, but Supergirl wanted to spend more time with her kid, and Batwoman and Legends got cancelled because of corporate restructuring. I fully believe Superman and Lois would not have been retconned into another universe if they had a couple of crossovers in their first season.
@@hrishiv27 season four of the flash is when everything went downhill
@@zataha3 Once again, you are making a subjective judgement based on opinion. It’s been seven years since season four of The Flash, so that’s clearly not the reason the Arrowverse died this year. You’re being obtuse.
If they do bring out a new universe based on superman and Louis then they need to at least bring back grant gusting as Barry. He has had so many awful stories recently but if you look back to the height of the flash (S1to 3) then you can see that Grant has some amazing range with his acting.
Bro I doubt that's gonna happen ever for once the flash wraps up its 9th season its officially 100% dead with only stargirl and Superman & Lois continuing on but as thier separate universe and stories
It'd be wild to have Grant show up as a Barry who never got super speed.
@@emsleywyatt3400 sounds a bit to close to his appearance in arrow season 2 to me tbh
I'd hope they actually have Grant appear for at least one episode of S&L, he's a Superman fan, had great chemistry with pretty much everyone and they could mention Kara.
@@emsleywyatt3400r he is still the flash but he didn’t faster than superman because in superman and Lois, superman is the fastest man alive and just like marvel what if and dc arrowverse series said In the multiverse, justice league members should be having power or being hero with training. Also in this earth, Oliver inspire by Batman and Barry still inspire by Oliver but Batman be hero is because Wonder Woman and superman inspire him , the important thing is superman and Lois earth iris is die and Barry marry every lady in the flash series instead also Oliver is do that too and Barry also marry Kara and Kara like peace and destroy in the same time before meet Barry Allen and every arrowverse hero and bat family are inspire by this superman.
Been dead since Crisis for me.
Superman and Lois and Stargirl are the only shows that are left that are watchable for me
Yeah that's pretty much it for me as well. The Arrow finale (which is essentially the epilogue of Crisis) was pretty much the last episode I was really invested in.
It's crazy how the arrowverse was killed with a single line of dialogue
what was the line of dialogue im curious
@@philliprosewood7049 I forget the exact wording of it, but it was where Sam Lane said that Superman is the only hero this world has.
@@sonicsega6 Yeah he said he saw other earths and saw other earths heroes and went on to say even though they only have Superman on their earth they're very lucky to have him because he's the best hero in all the earths pretty much.
The Arrowverse wasn’t killed by a single line of dialogue, because it isn’t dead yet, but it will be dead, when The Flash ends.
Why did Superman & Lois have to be separated from Earth-Prime when the title characters reprised their roles from Supergirl, the show was set up by Crisis on Infinite Earths when Clark learned the multiverse reboot changed the number of kids he has, and John Diggle showed up?
Ever since the CW announced Arrow had made its final season, this franchise is at its closing phase, with low ratings, final seasons for Black Lightning, Supergirl,
Batwoman & Legends, the writing's on the wall. It's a house of cards, 1 card falls, they all fall.
Slow Painful Death? 🤨
It's already dead.
You either die a hero, or wait long enough to see yourself become a villain. Cw really f**Ked up!
the fact the crisis could've opened a lot of doors and a lot of potential and shows and instead they made post-crisis even worse somehow is beyond me like they could've had the green lantern corps without John Stewart or maybe another earth would've been fine by me or have blue beetle/booster gold show
This universe is literally my childhood, sad to see it fall but at least my favourite show Flash is still going
You say that like it’s a good thing
@@ninjanibba4259 cuz it is, it's my favourite arrowverse show and I enjoy it
@@Blazio ………but why?
@@ninjanibba4259 because personally I enjoy many aspects of it
@@Blazio like what?
I think it was laziness on their part. By creating Superman and Lois they proved that they could always do better, but didn't want to. This franchise was and will remain DC's only successful attempt at a connected universe like Marvel.
The DC Animated Universe
That is all
@@balsasjekloca9308 We're talking only about live action and the animated universe of DC was a failure. Only the justice league was great and I'm referring to the old series
@@steamrazor8084 1) you didn't specify we were talking live action
2) a failure? It ran for 14 years and the show that started (Batman: The Animated Series) is considered one of the greatest and most influential comic book tv shows of all time. You don't like it, and that's your opinion, but I was not a failure.
@@balsasjekloca9308
1) I thought since the video was about the Arrowverse it was implicit that I was talking about live action. I don't count Vixen and freedom fighters. So you're right I should have made it clear since now the MCU is also animated.
2) We're talking about the same universe. The one with the Batman series and the justice league. The failure for me it's the movies they released from Flash flashpoint paradox to the new reboot.
@@balsasjekloca9308 The Batman animated series was awesome and all the series it created. However they can't be compare narratively to a cinematic universe.
Actually Arrowverse died after Crisis. And there wasnt major event after this. No more interactions after this. It was pretty fun, when Oliver asked Singh and Flash delivered the message. And there was chance of seeing Oliver in Legends.
It has to end eventually. Like Smallville did.
I think the arrowverse could last longer like a few years but I don't mind it ending because it has been a good more or less run, at least if they want to end it they should make it a good ending to leave his mark, at least a good flash ending because the flash is like the "main" series of arrowverse
Sad as fuck🥲
Shatters my soul🥲
No matter what Reverse Flash and Zoom will remain in my heart as my 2 eyes forever⚡💯⚡
I heard that it was confirmed that there are heroes on the Superman and Lois earth but no super powered heroes so to me that sounded like a loop hole they made so they could have characters like Batman on the show and maybe give them their own spin off with competent writers
But it will have superhuman because superhuman is in every multiverse and don’t forget reverse flash and the flash
I’d have to say Arrow season 2 or 5 and The Flash Season 1 were the best. I completely agreed with your rankings of which seasons were good and bad. I enjoyed Legends until around the time they first started using Constantine. As the seasons went on it became less about superhero’s and more about whacky comedy. I think the success of the first Bebo episode led to their downfall. Legends had way too many team changes and botched the exits of old characters. I liked Supergirl when they had Reign, Agent Liberty and Lex as the villains. Batwoman blah, Alice was good but overused, then the show died when Ruby Rose left. I never watched Black Lightning. Star Girl has been enjoyable, the second season had a cool horror theme to it.
Rip Arrowverse. We will always have first 2 season of Arrow and Flash. And always remember- we are the Flash.
And arrow season 5.
If you love The Flash, please never say we are the Flash ever again 😂
kinda joking but kinda not
@Robert Rogers
I wish more people said it
@@robertrogers074 all arrow seasons were awfull
@@vecnahenrycreel1300 your buging man season 5 was a masterpiece.
I still believe that all shows and movies are connected (given I was disappointed to hear SM&L wasn't Arrowverse)... Even after Crisis.
BC I believe when Oliver gave birth to the universe again, he didn't just give birth to the Prime Earth, but the multiverse as well.
my guess is the John Diggle and Henry Irons scene was shot either shortly before or after the WB/Discovery merger and the cancelations of Legends of Tomorrow and Batwoman. which that wipes out half of the entire Arrowverse shows from the board. What probably happened was a meeting with the Arrowverse writers and producers came together and put it to a vote. "Do any of us want Superman and Lois to take place in the Arrowverse anymore?" It then turned into either a close or unanimous no from everyone involved. any thoughts?
I hope this channel doesn't die with the Arrowverse.
I haven’t watched any arrowverse show since arrow ended. And imo that was the day when arrowverse died.
Me too
Nah Arrow died after season four. (When he became mayor and was in a position to change star city from within.) Flash was season 2 (it got canned due to budget issues and was replaced by "flash and friends.") And supergirl was season 4 (As her character arc was fulfilled.) Batwohmen never aired.
@@mkno2799 supergirl died in the 1st episode of season 1
@@mitaihmetta4434 that's alright, it and legends are good, but just aren't for everyone. (If only the CW knew that sooner.)
Honestly it was fun while it lasted but unfortunately nothing lasts forever not even the arrowverse, which is sad because it starred out strong but man oh man decreased in quality over the years.
Yes it definitely decreased over time
@@angelaholmes8888 indeed
Facts
Exactly
Agreed
So, I'm assuming DC's decision to separate Superman & Lois from Earth-Prime will lead to another connected TV Universe that will be the successor to the Arrowverse.
I really hope that’s the case.
I guess so. Maybe we can finally get a Batman show cause for some reason they can't make a proper Batman show and instead we get every other character.
I thinking that Discovery cancells and ending their shows shows for introducing the characters in the rebooted DCEU. But if they should do a new DC Tv Universe on HBO Max. i want:
-a Batman show (if Discovey will not do the "we didn't give to TV the best heroes 'cause we wanted those heroes in the movies" thing that annoys me) where we see a young Batman. who later crossover with S&L in a World's Finest miniseries.
-Also a The Flash reboot series (where i want a more comic book Flash. and also MORE Wally pls)
-a Green Lantern show where John Diggle is trained by an old Hal Jordan would be cool (if they wanted to make this version of Diggle Green Lantern)
-and after those shows. they finally do a Justice League series where every year the characters meet in every season to fight the main villain (something like the Avengers movies but on TV and every year)
Or also. with The Flash movie who should change the DCEU (who i hope mantaining the good stuff like the Shazam movies, Aquaman movies with Mera recasted, Wonder Woman movies, The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker, and recasting Superman, Batman and The Flash). would change also some earths of the Multiverse. and then they should fuse Superman & Lois with also Titans and Doom Patrol and trying to build a new universe from this shows (Stargirl wouldn't not included and be is own thing)
@Jack Big i mean a TV series. The only we got was the 1966 show. So would be the time for another Batman show (apart The Batman who have begun his Batman Universe)
Now I think about it Gotham Knights could technically be canon to this universe.
I have an idea for Flash and Superman & Lois crossover: What they could do is that Flash discovers that the multiverse is back and he goes to the one of the earths (Superman & Lois’s earth) to see if the multiverse is really back and there he meets Superman and Flash could help him defeat a villain.
I want to see a inside joke , superman: you are the fastest man alive , flash. Barry: no , superman, not anymore, I am no longer the fastest man alive. Superman or should I mean Clark Kent , you are the fastest man alive now.
DC forcing them to disconnect S&L from the Arrowverse after making all of its initial shows take place on the same Earth and making multiple references to that event AND bringing back a character who makes those references. Diggle even looked like the same in the season finale with the same hairstyle and clothes as he did in a Flash episode from a couple weeks ago. there's literally a scene at the end of COIE where Lois calls Clark about "the boys". even if you hate the Arrowverse or The CW in general, leading the fans on like this was a dick move.
It was. I agree. But it might be a good thing that Superman and Lois takes place on another earth because in Supergirl they made that version of Superman too weak and always get outshined by Supergirl and pretty much made Superman a B tier hero. In Superman and Lois Superman gets outshined by nobody. In that show they made Superman powerful af and he plays second fiddle to nobody. They actually make him a "S" tier hero in that show. Haha
@@coolsteve1985 But then, that would mean Earth-38 Superman would forever be in Supergirl's shadow. Giving him a spinoff would have given him the chance to finally outshine Kara. But no, they had to retcon this show to a different universe where nothing he does was ever canon to Kara's cousin, and so by making this stronger Superman just a multiverse doppelganger rather than a continuation of the Arrowverse Superman, they stopped the redemption of Superman. So I'd actually argue separating Superman & Lois from Earth-Prime is the WORST thing regarding Superman.
@@SeanWheeler100 Yeah but DC doesn't give a f, so who cares at this point?
What was a dick move?
@@coolsteve1985 Superman is an A tier hero, but I guess he is a B tier hero in The Arrowverse.
*Nothing good last forever, which is why the arrowverse will probably keep going for even more years...*
I'm kidding, I actually enjoyed the arrowverse when it was in it's prime. Now I really only watch the Flash and Superman & Lois. Every other show either ended or is hot garbage. I stopped watching Legends after season 3, stopped watching Supergirl after season 2, and was never really interested in Black Lightning from the get go. And don't even get me started on Batwoman. Overall, it's been 10 years, I think it's time to call it quits with the arrowverse, I mean I wish it had a better and less painful death but yeah. I'll probably keep watching the Flash until it ends as well as Superman & Lois. But that's all.
Black Lightning had 3 good seasons but season 4 was a MAJOR disappointment. And honestly the worst way to end the series.
I really didn't like the final season or the finale
Season 4 of black lightning was trash. My favorite season of black lightning was by far the third. They took a huge step forward in its third season and then took a huge step backwards in its final season.
@@johnelambo7507 agreed.
@@johnelambo7507 Facts. Season 3 was peak, even after the Crisis cancer that would reappear on the show from time to time.
I think they need to give us one final crossover with Flash, Superman, and Stargirl. It only makes sense
Black Lightning is so underrated….especially for a black superhero tv show. Supergirl was great, Batwomen was terrible until Ryan came in during Season 2. Legends of Tomorrow was great at first but went down hill but started to go back up until it was canceled. Stargirl is great and hopes it keeps going. Superman and Lois i haven’t watched it. Arrow was great. Flash is going downhill but has its great moments in terrible seasons. Naomi was slow but it became great and should have gotten another chance. This franchise has been dying for so long and as proven it this video some of the fans don’t give any of the other shows a chance, it deserved better
A combination of things. I will list them in no particular order
-Decline of quality over the seasons
-Consistent cringe wokeness alienating viewers along with bad writing/storylines
-Main characters consistently being background characters in their own show
-Continued use of outdated 20+ episode villain of the week format despite being outdated
-Alternatives being available on other platforms with bigger budgets and more buzz
-RUclipsrs moving on and not covering it as much fading Arrowverse further into obscurity
-Generally people just growing out of it and moving on to other things
-CW being a laughing stock in general
-HBOmax
I can name more. Far more but we'll be here all day. You get the idea. I remember a period when The Flash was so hot some youtubers full time job was just discussing the show. It had a good run. It was fun while it lasted, but I'm afraid it is time to move on.
This is the best breakdown I've seen yet!
they should've learnt from daredevil and the marvel-netflix shows.
@@ProjektTaku What should they have learned from Daredevil?
@@SeanWheeler100 how to make better television
@@doofer6863 Explain more.
I think we'll see some of the actors and characters make the jump to the big screen. They have some of the best liveaction versions of the characters and can be a lot better with good writing
Grant Gustin and Jesse Martin probably . Don’t know about the rest of them though
Yes
Like grant to finally get the flash movie.
Arrowverse was literally better then live action dceu one point in time
Bro i am really sad for the arrowverse it was a huge part of my life half of my life has been watching and being intreged by the crosspvers amd everything else but now it has come to an end
Yep the arrowverse is dead I really wish that legends of tomorrow got a chance to properly end the show
The Arrowverse has run it’s course.
The Arrowverse will be dead, when The Flash ends, so The Arrowverse isn’t dead yet, but it will be.
I think what truly begun the downfall of the arrowverse was WB/DC making characters that had already been set up off limits.
BIG FAX
Which is why Legends had nothing but OCs
In All Honesty I have Alot of Ups and Downs with the Arrowverse but to Me,the Arrowverse Died by Disrespecting the Source Material,Stretching too many Seasons,the Crossovers,and Crisis on Infinite Earths being the Last Straw,the Only Good Things about it Right Now are Superman and Lois and Stargirl and I Hope and Pray it Stays that Way
Stargirl and Superman and Lois aren apart of The Arrowverse, so they aren’t good things about The Arrowverse.
What do you mean stretching too many seasons and the crossovers.
I meant to say What do you mean stretching too many seasons and the crossovers?
@@trevturp7687 I Know That they aren't Part of It which makes them Better and the Problem Is Simple,When it comes to a Series on a Runtime it's Normally the First 2 Seasons that Work and Crossover could be Fun at First,However the More it Grows,the More Complicated it becomes to the Point that it a Mess and with Separate Writers on Each Series it makes it Harder to Follow Up and in the End the More it Has the Lesser it Becomes.
@@featherguardian6023 The writers should just do their own things with these shows and have these things only effect what happens in the shows they are writing, for example in The Flash Season 3, the writers should have just had the consequences of Flashpoint only effect what happened in The Flash and not any of the other Arrowverse shows, I know that these led to the creation of John Diggle Jr. and I’m grateful for that, but the writers of Arrow could have created that character without having to use Flashpoint to do it. Hopefully The Superverse doesn’t have this problem.
Arrow’s legacy, the Internet and the world’s opinion on the show was also forever tainted by Arrow Season 3.
i think what they will and should do is that flash ends on season 10. with the finale being barry and eobard going back in time, with eobard trying to kill barry. that future flash we saw tell barry not to save his mom in season 1? that is gonna be the barry from the season 10 finale. and barry saving his kid self, that's going to be the end of the show. if it isn't, they missed a perfect opportunity.
And when Barry goes back to his time in the future he gets to star labs and when he gets there he sees the team slowly vanish away and he realizes that a another timeline has been created (because he saved his child self)as he also slowly vanishes away. Now Eobard has create the flash again so he can return to his time because he lost his speed due to Barry Allen (as a child) not being the flash yet. Because Eobard got motivated by Barry to become a Speedster.
Or Barry let reverse flash stuck in superman and Lois earth and bring a thief to Barry own house to keep the timeline.
This all came put when I was in 4th grade. Now I'm graduated and it's ending. I could definitely see the decline in quality due to seasons I missed but I'll definitely still finish all the arrowverse shows because I've been watching them since around 2014
Superman & Lois is an Arrowverse show to me. The continuity was handled too poorly for me to just up and believe what was said.
Lois: John Diggle? *hugs him*
John: *Crisis on Infinite Earths reference*
Superman & Lois: *visibly NOT confused*
Sam Lane: We're in a completely different multiverse!
Yeah, no.
Completely different universe* from the multiverse, one out of the infinite ones where they already knew John Diggle and Oliver Queen and also in this universe Oliver probably died during Crisis on Infinite Earths but he didn't become the Spectre afterwards, if infinity is the limit of possibility in the multiverse then there is literally an infinite possibility of that happening in one of the universes of the multiverse.
That being said, I'm definitely certain that it was initially planned to be in the Arrowverse and they are backpedaling in S2, because the writing for S1 was already completed by the time DC/WB told them to separate it from the Arrowverse.
Is it possible Sam's statement didn't really mean anything about the multiverse and he was just praising Superman as the best hero in Earth-Prime?
@@Dhruv-qw7jf Except everyone was killed by the Crisis except who we saw survive it. I refuse to believe such sloppily executed continuity. For them to tell me that something is one thing when I know I saw another is insulting to my intelligence.
@@MrDudemansir-pr8xc alright
@@MrDudemansir-pr8xc But DC doesn't care about consistency, just stock evaluations/shares and dividends.
Honestly the arrowverse only truly has the Flash. Star Girl is on another earth but nothings happened with that and Superman and Lois just can’t be in the arrowverse it’s like they forgot Super Girl
I wish Arrow and Flash were in Netflix like Daredevil and other shows , they deserved better.
I would like to see Superman and Lois on earth 2 because Sam lane said there is no hero “like Superman”. This could mean stargirl is on the same earth cuz stargirl and the new JSA are not a public thing. There’s the old JSA but most of them died or retired. Leaving Superman the own current powered hero on that earth.
Again, doesn't make sense. Because the Justice Society were well known heroes in Stargirls Earth. They even had Wikipedia articles
I know the og JSA are well known but to the world there all dead. Meaning Superman is the only powered hero(Knowone to the world) left on his earth
they said that its on its own universe in season 2
Did the show say that or did people behind show said that?
@@impulsivestudios6705 the Superman and Lois finale said that it’s in its own universe and Superman was the only superhero
With the lack of shows I do hope in the future the remaining shows get better in terms of quality.
its sad to see the arrowverse nearly gone, but the line up needs a fresh team of heroes and a new start on things, I dont know if it will even happen but the shows of S&L and stargirl, gives a opportunity to see a different version of the characters that was once known in the arrowverse
Honestly I was really surprised to see how many people were very upset that Superman and Lois was disconnected personally it was like the best news ever for me so it's not being held back by being in the verse
You are right, the writers did the right thing disconnecting it from The Arrowverse.
fast forward Superman and Lois is better than most of the arrowverse shows
I was fine with them just not referencing the rest of the Arrowverse, since most of it isn’t very good anyways, but I didn’t feel like they needed to explicitly say that it was a different world. All of the shows have world ending threats each season and really, and an acceptable reason for why Supergirl doesn’t fly in to help is that it’s not her show.
It just would’ve been cool to have the final show of the Arrowverse be one that’s consistently good.
David Zaslav would be like “next!” and have it cut up into pieces of S&L didn’t divorce itself from the Arrowverse.
If only the Flash could get the same budget of the Mandalorian, it would be so cool.
The way how they present the shows for DC they always have very good momentum for 1-3 seasons then the downfall begins for the creative direction & the viewership starts to decline due to the writing of the characters. That’s why as a viewer the show will become stale or not continue watching due to repetition of what happen in similar situations just like in the previous season.
It’s sad that it’s over but Superman and Lois is going nuts rn and it’s great, Arrow season 1-3 alongside Flash S1-S2 is the peak of superhero TV
Honestly man I loved all of Arrow and the first 3 seasons of Flash
The Flash Season 3 sucks, but you can still love it.
Arrow has some bad seasons.
If we look at complete shows with all seasons, it baffles me how behind Flash is to Arrow.....
When I look back season 4 and 6 are the only dark horses of Arrow whereas The Flash went downhill very quickly after a mind bending season 3
And it didn't recover ever since
I freaking hate the Arrowverse now, but I’ll never forget those first seasons of the Flash and Arrow. To me, they defined what a superhero show should be that WB and CW ruining Arrowverse by WB not allow CW do certain character cause WB thought us fan would be confuse if there two Batman on TV and movie and I remember WB made CW kill off certain character or didn't allow CW do character and CW kill it by focus on storyline that we don't care about like how many episodes we had to watch oliver and felicity force love each other which fun fact both actor dislike that idea but CW didn't care
I liked the Arrowverse at first, but then the writing gotten worse over time, and Crisis was the end for me.
I feel like the Flash season 1 to the first half of season 6 was great, although I still loved the first 5 seasons
Superman and Lois as been renewed for a fourth season with 10 episodes. However, the show will get huge budget cuts, so most of the supporting cast will leave the show. The ongoing theory on the internet is that the Kents are going to move back to Metropolis.
I'm pretty sure that season 4 will be the last season for Superman and Lois.
It had a great beginning! Exciting crossover events, but struggled with their ends. I think Arrow’s ending was well done. Considering what had happened in the middle seasons.
i’m not one for shows with a darker tone, but arrow was great. season 2 is my favorite arroweverse season, i think.
the flash wasn’t my favorite from the beginning, but it was alright at first. i stopped watching halfway through s5. just couldn’t deal with it anymore.
supergirl was good for a while, s1 was slow, but had its moments. the cw took over after that, and i really did enjoy seasons 2 and 3. declined pretty fast after that, and s6 was absolutely horrendous, poorly written, rushed, made no sense, and seemed to forget that kara is the main character.
legends of tomorrow seemed weird to me at first but quickly became my favorite, and it remains that way. the quality is all over the place from season to season, but the ensemble cast works quite well, and they’ve embraced the weirdness without ever taking themselves too seriously.
i hated batwoman s1, couldn’t finish it, but then i skipped right to s2 and that i found much more enjoyable. not the greatest, but i did finish the show and the cancellation was upsetting.
black lightning i never finished, i dont even know why, since i did like the first couple of seasons a lot.
never saw stargirl or superman and lois, and i dont intend to.
stargirl and superman & lois are great.
As a 1st time viewer of the Arrowverse in general, I just finished the 3rd season of Flash TODAY and I loved it
Honestly Superman and Lois and Flash season 8 is litterally carring the Arrowverse at this point, like the only season of the flash that was good since season 3
It ain’t the same since Oliver died
Absolutely love Arrow. One of my favorite shows of all time. That being said Oliver makes really really stupid decisions in the show. I know it's the writers either writing themselves into or out of a plot line, but it got old.
And Arrow has a lot of flaws.
Arrow has good things about it, but it isn’t good unfortunately.
You are right, Green Arrow did make a lot of dumb decisions in the show and not only is this one of the problems with Arrow, but this is one of the problems with The Arrowverse as a whole, characters make really stupid decisions in these shows and it’s really frustrating.
Felicity destroyed the Arrowverse.
I did love that superman and Lios was part of the arrowverse. I felt that it kept arrow alive.
Finally someone with a similar opinion lol
i also loved arrow from season 1-2, 5-8.
loved Flash season 1 and 2
season 3 started going downhill from there on.
Black Lightning wasn't bad, I watched the whole thing.
Legends I gave up on it after season 3 because it became a comedy show
Supergirl and Batwoman i actually tried watching but couldn't go past either show after episode 2 each
Stargirl has been pretty cool and enjoyable
Naomi was type boring, didn't go past episode 3
Superman & Lois has been amazing so far.
Fan Opinion:
things could had been a lot better if they would had done other big characters such as wonderwoman, batman, instead of batwoman and supergirl
then eventually introduce green lantern in the mix and stuck with diggle actually becoming gl since after crisis they were working their way up to the jl
unfortunately due to certain rights none of this could had gone down.
Finished Year 10 Arrowverse seasons ranked
1. Superman & Lois S2
2. The Flash S8C: "It's All Negative"
3. The Flash S8A: "Armageddon"
4. The Flash S8B: "Death Revisited"
5. Batwoman S3
6. Legends of Tomorrow S7
Legends was worse than Batwoman? 💀
@@harrambou9468 yes
Superman and Lois isn’t an Arrowverse show.
For the most part, Arrow doesn’t have more seasons than bad.
You must not have seen em all
as a casual DC fan who just watched flash s1 and was looking foward to binging the other arrowverse shows on netflix, this video melted my brain
Watch Flash season 2, maybe 3, and stop there. Just pretend that's where it ends
@@jacobcenter7374 what about the other shows on netflix?
@@limecatcher1482 aside from crossovers I never watched any of them, so I can't really say.
Arrow is good and is my favourite arrowverse show. Aside from season 4 which is a stinker the rest of the seasons range from ok to amazing
Sad that Black Lightning was so underrated the first 2 seasons were on par with Arrows first 2
Season 3 was the best.
@@Dave102693 I found it very boring in the first half and I HATED Annyssa and her partner
@@lifeisberserk9566 I loved all of it(except for the Crisis bullshit), especially the back half.
@@Dave102693 the Crisis shit was ass
arrow seasons 1,2,5 first half of 7 and 8. could not have said it better myself. if the show was just that, it would be perfect
The Arrowverse died when they decided to kill Oliver in Crisis.
Superman and Lois season 2 is absolute garbage
Well no more Arrowverse, soon we get the "Super-Verse" and it will most likely suck shit.
no.
@@ProjektTaku why not? These new shows probably won't save anything. im sorry im sad too
@@kossi200 because it's different.
“Batwoman was panned right off the bat” dun dun boom
You should build your own dc or marvel cinematic universe without having to follow a format.
Turning the Arrowverse into a cheesy Soap Opera route after Season 2 is one of the biggest mistakes CW did.
They wasted so many good ideas and casting decisions on these shows, and it became a soap opera mess. Would have been cool to see these ideas and casting decisions with a bigger budget and better writing on the big screen.
Facts
Exactly
November 18 2022 to June 2022 makes sense
It’s literally the second best superhero connected universe without question
It isn’t the second best superhero connected universe.
Nah, the DCAU(1991-2006) was the best, followed by the MCU.
A bunch of romance dramas passed off as superhero shows aren't the 2nd best connected superhero universe.
Arrowverse has been dead since 2020 when arrow ended and the pandemic started so many shows ending after arrow then found out canaries show wasn’t happening then black lightning was cancelled then super girl was canceled then batwoman had drama and then it was canceled then this past month legends got canceled since they had a new ceo at CW because they joined with discovery so now it’s dead with the flash being canceled to
Wally West and Olivers Son for this earth would be cool as Flash and Green Arrow
and also other heroes like red tornado, the myth Batman (the version from Gotham would be cool), and other arrowverse simular heroes
I mean on the flash thing, while there were some good moments that happened in s6b, s7, s8 and potentially in s9, its not like those seasons absolutely had to happen or moreso had to happen with barry allen still as the main character, I still dont understand whomever made the decision to cut out barry going missing and thawne as leader of the shadow demons during original crisis plans, completely scrapped it for reasons that didnt make sense to go with other than to subvert obvious expectations
not to mention it for most part erased arrows post apocalyptic future and made all that time watching mostly pointless so great job
i really hope flash ends and superman and lois is aloud to breath in its own universe being the best arrowverse show
People really did watch Black Lightning.
Season 8 of the flash was extremely good so was Superman and Lois season 2 and starfire season 2. And arrow did recover with season 5
Stargirl S2? Lol
Also what was great about Superman and Lois (S2) to you
@@harrambou9468 the story? Lmao your the only one who thinks stargirl season 1,2 were bad and same with Superman and Lois
@@jonathanhill3668 He doesn’t think Seasons 1 and 2 of Stargirl are bad.
here's my ideal DCTU/arrowverse:
Alias the spider (who'll be rip-off batman instead of green arrow)
The flash
Alias the spider season 2 (where john diggle reveals his last name is stewart)
Wonder woman
black lighting
Justice league (8 episodes with all the characters from the shows, along with john finding a GL ring)
Wild dog
The flash season 2 (which features aquaman in a 2 part episode)
Wonder woman season 2 (which feature's superman in a 2 part episode)
Black lighting season 2 (which features cyborg)
Alias the spider season 3 (where john becomes a green lantern and leaves)
Wild dog season 2
Flash season 3
Justice league season 2 with flash, the spider, wonder woman, superman, cyborg and aquaman.
I never even heard of "Alias the Spider."
@@SeanWheeler100 exactly!
He's an unknown dc character that could easily be a batman stand-in instead of green arrow.
@@ProjektTaku But how much like Batman is he in the comics? Instead of a Batman stand-in, why not use Batman himself?
@@SeanWheeler100 their both rich playboy philanthropists who suit up as heroes to protect their city. Only difference is that we don't know anything about the spider's parents, but that could easily be added in.
And the reason that I'm not using batman himself is because the cw weren't allowed to use batman, so they used green arrow as a stand-in, but I don't want to use him because that wastes his potential.
None of the actors in The arrowverse wanted to stay in Canada
Good riddance, honestly. I’m just happy that we have Stargirl and Superman & Lois.
The Arrowverse had some issues after it got a lot of the shows going, for Arrow the biggest issue with it for me was how over populated the team got they could have cut out Wild Dog and Mr. Terrific and how they introduced Black Canary who shouldn't have been someone he already knew. The issue with The Flash is them trying to keep it with the villain of the week format while also trying to make it more serialized plus the inherit problem The Flash has in the comics is that most of his villains shouldn't be that much of a threat to him so he has to be written in a nerfed state. Supergirl and Batwoman issue is that they are just discount female Superman and Batman plus Supergirl was aged up to the point that her character was too adjusted to living on Earth that she lost the most compelling aspect of herself from the comics which is her trying to find her way on a strange new world and her cultural differences from humans and as for Batwoman the whole LGBT aspect was always going to be a hard sell. Legends of Tomorrow with the whole time travel thing was going to get old fast and it did, it might have worked better a just a team show if they couldn't use Justice League or Justice Society they could have come up with a name or use another team name from the comics that they could have gotten away with. Black Lightning was going to be a hard sell with it's overt social themes which is from the comics. Also the the length of the seasons made the over arcing plots linger too much personally 12 to 15 episodes per season is enough.
"Hard sell"=people of those communities are crybabies when minorities have their tv shows.