the original is a bit darker... moodier (ironically). I feel like the change helped brighten the scene and made it less frightening. There are many instances where music is reused in this way. I'm trying to think of where you're meaning in the rampage sequence. It's silent until the bus crashes into the video store. Then the original cue comes in, cuts away for a few bars to similar rampage music but then returns to the original cue. The main theme from TLW was used a few times in the film (although only really intended for the credits) but that doesn't come in until Ludlow is cornered by the rex
@BrachioInGen Good points. It does lighten things up, which is a little ironic. I don’t know exactly where the Lost World cue is reused, but that’s what I was lead to believe.
The 'cutting and pasting' of John Williams's score like this also happened in multiple Star Wars films. For instance, in the scene from Empire Strikes Back where Rogue 2 is searching for Luke and Han on Hoth, most of William's "Luke's Rescue" cue is replaced with the "Hypserspace" cue from much later in the film to add more tension to Rogue 2's search. Plus, in The Phantom Menace, the end of the pod race scene reuses "Escape from Naboo" from earlier in the film instead of using Williams's intended "Anakin Defeats Sebulba" cue. Yet, "Anakin Defeats Sebulba" can still be heard later in the film when the gungans are in retreat from the droid army. Also in Attack of the Clones, William's score for almost the entire Droid Factory sequence was instead replaced with tracks from earlier and later in the film, such as "The Chase Through Coruscant", "Padame Falls", and "The Arena". There are many more examples I coudl list, however the most egregious ones are in The Rise of Skywalker. Williams wrote 3 hours of music for that one, only for the final film to feature tons of recycled tracks from past Star Wars films.
You’re right, I didn’t know a lot of those! I didn’t want to stray into Star Wars here, even though the reuse of Attack Of The Clones music in Revenge Of The Sith has been on my mind.
I wouldn't say tons for The Rise of Skywalker. Sure, the mystery theme from Attack of the Clones (see "The Meadow Picnic" 2nd half) shows up randomly but that's basically it. I don't count the Yoda lifting the x-wing music reprise because that was a clear story callback, it's not like your examples where the editor's pasted things in because of reshoots or time constraints etc.
@@RedCaio Can Was Attack Of The Clones any different because it was the year Williams was overbooked and things had to be filled in for him, or was that only for other films that year?
Great video as always! You should make a big video discussing every single motif from the httyd franchise and what you would expect from the live action movie!
I'm a huge fan of the movie and it's score, and I've noticed the ques being similar, but not that it was the exact same que. This was a fun fact for me a as a fan :)
Sorry, sounds like you tried to do some research on this, but there's a fundamental musical difference in what is playing in this scene and the first time it's heard 'properly' as the flying theme, just as JW described it here. You're confusing a melody line with what is accompanying it. Listen to what chords the other orchestral instruments are playing underneath - it's nothing like the bombastic structure of the flying theme when it arrives.
Of course it's not the same. The time signature, dynamics, chords, and orchestration are all different. But this is a variation of the theme that appears too close to the final version too early. It's not the same thing, but it jumps the gun a little.
Should they have kept the original "Toys" cue? And does this one fit just as well?
the original is a bit darker... moodier (ironically). I feel like the change helped brighten the scene and made it less frightening.
There are many instances where music is reused in this way. I'm trying to think of where you're meaning in the rampage sequence.
It's silent until the bus crashes into the video store. Then the original cue comes in, cuts away for a few bars to similar rampage music but then returns to the original cue.
The main theme from TLW was used a few times in the film (although only really intended for the credits) but that doesn't come in until Ludlow is cornered by the rex
@BrachioInGen Good points. It does lighten things up, which is a little ironic.
I don’t know exactly where the Lost World cue is reused, but that’s what I was lead to believe.
What I like is that no matter which way you feel is better, Spielberg still didn’t in a way that’s fairly thematic.
That's true, it's all John Williams' score for the movie one way or another.
The 'cutting and pasting' of John Williams's score like this also happened in multiple Star Wars films.
For instance, in the scene from Empire Strikes Back where Rogue 2 is searching for Luke and Han on Hoth, most of William's "Luke's Rescue" cue is replaced with the "Hypserspace" cue from much later in the film to add more tension to Rogue 2's search.
Plus, in The Phantom Menace, the end of the pod race scene reuses "Escape from Naboo" from earlier in the film instead of using Williams's intended "Anakin Defeats Sebulba" cue. Yet, "Anakin Defeats Sebulba" can still be heard later in the film when the gungans are in retreat from the droid army.
Also in Attack of the Clones, William's score for almost the entire Droid Factory sequence was instead replaced with tracks from earlier and later in the film, such as "The Chase Through Coruscant", "Padame Falls", and "The Arena".
There are many more examples I coudl list, however the most egregious ones are in The Rise of Skywalker. Williams wrote 3 hours of music for that one, only for the final film to feature tons of recycled tracks from past Star Wars films.
You’re right, I didn’t know a lot of those! I didn’t want to stray into Star Wars here, even though the reuse of Attack Of The Clones music in Revenge Of The Sith has been on my mind.
I wouldn't say tons for The Rise of Skywalker. Sure, the mystery theme from Attack of the Clones (see "The Meadow Picnic" 2nd half) shows up randomly but that's basically it. I don't count the Yoda lifting the x-wing music reprise because that was a clear story callback, it's not like your examples where the editor's pasted things in because of reshoots or time constraints etc.
@@RedCaio Can Was Attack Of The Clones any different because it was the year Williams was overbooked and things had to be filled in for him, or was that only for other films that year?
Excellent analysis! I personally love anything to do with John Williams, and I really hope this non-HtTYD video does well!
Thanks, there's more to come! It's doing okay. Definitely not the worst in terms of views.
Great video as always!
You should make a big video discussing every single motif from the httyd franchise and what you would expect from the live action movie!
I'm planning a video on what to expect from the score. And there will be plenty of videos analyzing the themes of the series.
@@FilmScoreandMore Can't wait!
I'm a huge fan of the movie and it's score, and I've noticed the ques being similar, but not that it was the exact same que. This was a fun fact for me a as a fan :)
I'm glad you learned something! Yes, both are the same cue in different places.
Sorry, sounds like you tried to do some research on this, but there's a fundamental musical difference in what is playing in this scene and the first time it's heard 'properly' as the flying theme, just as JW described it here. You're confusing a melody line with what is accompanying it. Listen to what chords the other orchestral instruments are playing underneath - it's nothing like the bombastic structure of the flying theme when it arrives.
Of course it's not the same. The time signature, dynamics, chords, and orchestration are all different. But this is a variation of the theme that appears too close to the final version too early. It's not the same thing, but it jumps the gun a little.