thank you for posting this. 5 days post surgery and still so many questions but great to see views from down the road. Cant wait to get back fishing!!!
Thank you so much for this video. I’m a division 2 college athlete, football player. This past Saturday my wrist was dislocated after being tackled and trying to brace myself. Today I found out I had to have this surgery and it bothered me. I’m appreciative for this video because I’ve never had an injury this severe.
Sorry to hear of your injury. The good news is you are young and an athlete. I would imagine if you have same injury and surgery as I did, if your rehab goes well ( no reason it wouldn’t) you would be good to go for Spring practice. Hopefully sooner! Good luck!
Thanks for the vid Mr. I literally am against to threat of not being able to do sports again. I have both tfcc tears in wrists and scapholunate tear in the şeft one. My wrist is so unstable it cracks everytime amd Im pretty sure it is deforming. I hope with these surgeries I will get some relief
@@doruktanyolalan513 Hey buddy. Sounds like you are going through the same compound injury as I am. I'm a Chiropractor and I need to move people around whole day. That's scaring me too. Did you make it back to sports? Even if not at the same level, have you regained your confidence to get back out there? Also, who treatment did you go for? Do you still have that feeling of instability, pain, loss of range of motion?
Thanks for the video Jack, rather than putting my own video up on RUclips I thought I'd use this link should you or anyone else wish to comment on as it seems very popular with people with the same injury. I live in the UK, I had a complete tear to my SL two year ago during boxing training. I put up with injury until now but was concerned about developing arthritis due to the instability of the joint. It was affecting my golfing and certain types of fitness which i thoroughly enjoy. Had the surgery done 5 weeks ago with the top hand and wrist surgeon Mike Hayton at the Spire in Manchester using the Brunelli Procedure. Just had cast removed yesterday and now in a splint. Will keep everyone updated on my rehab.
Regarding the Brunelli procedure the surgeon harvested part of the tendon in my forearm whilst keeping it attached the rest of the tendon allowing blood supply. This was then inserted through the scaphoid and the lunate bone before being anchored. No pins were used, I was put in a splint for 14 days then a cast for a further 4 weeks. I am now at week 8 since the operation and going through rehab. The only discomfort I have is when I'm increasing the ROM which is expected.
Hi Gaz, I’ve just recently had the same surgery with Mr Hayton too lol. I’m just wondering how long it took for you to notice an improvement in your ROM after the cast was removed? Hope everything is good now!
@@gazproctor1757 @bennyboy7624 Gaz and Ben, you both did the drilling and anchoring procedure, were casted and went through rehab; how are you both doing now? Any symptoms remaining? What about limitations in your normal daily activities? How far can you push the wrist now before you notice any limitation? I'm considering this procedure for myself now. I had a horrible bike crash and landed hard on both my hands 4 months ago. Until now I have clicking and feeling instability on the left more than the right. Though both sides have an injury on the TFCC, it's the long-term laxity and degenerative changes that I'm scared of. Especially because I want to continue being a Chiropractor for another 25 years.
Jack, thanks for putting together your videos, very helpful. I had full tear scapholunate surgery on Aug 30 and getting pin removed October 11th. For me, pain is not bad, but the confinement of the hard cast has been the most difficult thing to endure. Can't wait to get the pin out so i can start the rehab process. I've gone back to watch your videos many times and it's also helpful to hear others stories like mine. Cheers! Paul Rathkamp
Hi Jack. Getting pin out in 5 days. Will have a soft splint for a week after that and then i start hand therapy twice a week for a few months. Like you, I can't wait to get back into the gym and starting working on flex/strength. Could you share some of the exercises you did in the gym as you were starting out? I'll probably steer clear of free weights too for awhile. Thanks. Paul
Hi Paul - good luck with pin removal. When I went back to gym, I focused on compound movements on machines (bench/incline press, military press, cable rows, vertical pulls, etc.). My basic rule of thumb was to do what didn't make my wrist feel uncomfortable. My grip strength was really bad for first week or two. I added in pushups using dumbbells after a couple weeks, then added dips a little later. Free weights slowly made their way back into my routine as my wrist felt better. I wore a brace for the first 2 months back at gym . . . then dropped it at around 10 weeks. 10 weeks from pin removal for me was the milestone date where I could perform every exercise I used do pre-injury. I am now 7 months from initial surgery . . . . my range of motion is good, but certainly not what it was originally. I still have some stiffness in my fingers in the morning and when I make a fist, I imagine that may not go away at this point. Hope everything works out for you when you get back in action, let me know how you make out. Jack
@@jackharding144 hi Jack, I was searching RUclips and came across your story (part 2). Been a year since anyone posted so understand if no reply. I went backwards on my wrist 7 weeks ago playing tennis and hit pretty hard. Thought it was just a break but now realise I have a partial tear to a ligament. At the moment I can’t bend my wrist back hardly at all and forward about 20 degrees if I’m lucky. Can’t straighten fingers, swollen etc. In rehab now but will be seeing a hand surgeon and suspect I will need similar surgery to yourself but I was wondering if you had similar hand restrictions as me after your injury (not sure how you did yours)? I am really worried that I won’t get any further movement than I have now so looking for some hope that I can get more movement I guess. I really went down on my wrist with a lot of force so really afraid my injury is not fixable. Thanks for your time, I live in South Australia by the way so the other side of the globe.
@@andrewmee8136 Hi Andrew - I still get a lot of questions on my 2 videos on SL tear and respond frequently. On my wrist injury, I hurt it lifting weights and at first it was a subtle pain that grew worse over the course of a month or so. When I went to the Dr. they did x-ray and MRI and confirmed the tear. I didn't have the loss of range of motion or finger pain when I hurt it, only increasing pain in wrist. Wish you luck in your recovery!
Thanks Jack. I’m 3 weeks post-op. You answered some of the questions that I have and I appreciate you taking the time to share your experience. Also, my litmus test is pushups as well. 💪🏼
I wanted to thank you for your two videos on this surgery. I injured my wrist on May 1, 2022 E-Foiling and it's a full tear of the Scapholunate Ligament and it's been very painful. Just finished talking to my surgeon today and she said I will never be able to do a push up flat again. I thought that was pretty disappointing because I love doing push ups. So seeing this video really gives me hope. I"m an avid soccer player and surfer so thank you so much for putting these videos together it's very positive.
Hi - sorry to hear about your injury. I certainly can't speak for your specifics, but I have had no problem doing pushups . . . still do 100 every day. So I hope post surgery you can get back fully 100%. Best of luck to you!
@@mslrefoils Yes, 100% tear. The entire process (surgeries, recovery/rehab) took about 4 months to have a functional wrist again, but was 100% worth it. As I've said on other responses to questions, these days I literally have to "think" for a second to recall which wrist I hurt. Best of luck!
@@mslrefoilshey, i did a similar surgery 4 days ago and i need to ask, how’s your update on the pushups?. I mean i also loved doing pushups and working out in general. And I’m worried i will never be able to do them again especially as I’m still 16 yo. Sorry to bother🙏🙏
Omg, so straight to the "T". Seeing my scar was the part that had me in tears. But you are so right about it all. I get my pin out tomorrow, can't wait.plus it's my dominant hand. I am miserable. But thank this was helpful for the next steps to my recovery, as I was wondering about the pins and how they were gonna remove them. Good luck to us both and those who are in recovery or about to do their surgery.
@@ConstitutionJedi Hi James - my current soreness level is zero . . . I am 2 years post surgery and wrist is good as new. My range of motion never returned fully 100%, but it is pretty close. Best of luck!
Hi i did the same surgery and just removed my cast two days ago and doing PT in home , what is the time from your intial injury to surgery ? And how much is ypur gap
Hi Jack Thank you so much for the video as I had the same surgery 5 months ago exactly 5 months, as I had surgery in September 2022. There are 2 differences procedures wise from your surgery 1. My case used the torn ligament to join together as the doctor said, there was torn ligament left when he opened my wrist. 2.The doctor never said the pin needed to be removed, but I heard you had the pins removed. Now the result after 5 months. I have really hard time bending my wrist inwards (I think your inwards direction progressed less than outwards as well) however my inwards direction is about 45 degree which I think is too low. Outwards 60+ which I am less worried about. More over, I can't go back to play Table tennis, after a few smashes I will have to stop playing as the pain is evident similar to before surgery, I can only play blocking also I can only do light weight trainings. Meaning, actively using wrist is still not at all close to normal. I asked the doctor and everytime he said I am overly anxious, it is normal that I shouldn't expect to be normal. This makes me really sad. And I don't know what to do. If you can suggest. Please May i know how do you do your rehab, to get the wrist movement back. The angle I mean. And if you can suggest anything to make things better. BTW, I am from Thailand I hope my English doesn't make you confuse. Thanks in advance Jack
Thanks you for specifically sharing your progress with push-ups and pull-ups. I am a rock climber (this was one of many injuries from a major climbing fall) and have already been resting for 10 weeks while recovering from a fractured skull and C1-- I'm dreaming of the days that I can do pull-ups and push-ups again!
Wow Katherine, hope you are recovering from your fall, very scary. Best of luck to you with your surgery, I'm sure you will be fine. Pull-ups and push-ups are my favorites so it was important for me to get those back in the routine. I am 2+ years since my surgery and my wrist is like I never had an injury. Good luck to you!
Hi Katherine. Your accident was major. The recovery process must be long and ardeous. Can you share your story a bit more? How are your hands now? Was the recovery of your wrist complete? Does regaining function in your hand contribute to your overall recovery? Where are you stuck?
I’m having the same surgery at the end of the year. I’m a 40 year old Law enforcement officer that is super active. Gym 4/5 times a week. Outdoor activities 6 days a week. I haven’t been able to do push up in a couple years and I’ve been worried about my range of motion. Thanks for the post op video. Very informative.
3 weeks post op currently in a hard cast. The surgeon went with the ANAFAB technique. Very interesting and different from the one you went through. They have some good videos on you tube.
Hi Jack. Thank you for posting both videos. My fiance just found out that he has s scapholunate ligament tear and will require surgery. This puts me at ease as he too loves going to the gym but the injury wasn't during a workout. He lost his footing at work and fell breaking his fall with his hand. Mind you he's 6'2 and weighs about 250lbs. But thank you so much for the videos. Hope you are doing better.
Hi - hope everything goes well with your fiancé. I am 4 years removed from my surgery and my wrist is all good. In fact I have to think for a moment to recall which wrist I hurt. Good luck!
Thanks for your videos. I’m in the UK and had my surgery just over 3 weeks ago. I had quite a bit of swelling. But the worst thing is the pins & needles sensation on the top of my hand. It’s very uncomfortable. I’m a paramedic and l do worry about getting back to work and carrying out my full range of duties like CPR etc. Your video has gave me confidence in getting back to normal. Take care. Terry
Two days ago I was told I need this surgery. Was told that it's pretty shit for someone that's active. I injured it coaching boxing and they initially missed the tear. 18 months later a new doctor saw the tear and has given me this option or an option to fuse it. I'm glad you have been able to get back to the gym and especially the golf range as GOLF is my life so I'd be lost without that. Thanks for the videos
Ryan Mead Hey Ryan, in one of the comment threads to either the first or the second video, a couple of boxers suffered this injury and had some comments going. May be helpful. I remember my doctor telling me if I didn’t get the surgery, then I would likely need to get it fused at some point in the future. For me, it was pretty much a no brainer. Wish you the best of luck
@@jackharding144 yeah well I don't think I'll be boxing again it's too much of a risk p,us I'm 37 now time to retire from that. Just annoyed it's been 18 months since injury as first doc missed it which is crazy. I just hope I can get back to playing golf as I'm a scratch player and it's pretty much my escape. Glad it's all gone well for you. I've had two knee reconstructions and that hasn't stopped me playing professional sport so I'm determined to not let this defeat me.
Ryan Mead You’re still pretty young and an athlete so I imagine you will have no problems with recovery. I am able to play golf now as if the injury never happened, so I’m sure the same is in store for you. Best of luck
Hi Jack, thank you for your video. I am currently 10 weeks post surgery. Full tear of the SL. Using a harvested tendon from my FCR. I am currently working hard on getting my range of motion back, it feels very slow and hard to see and feel the improvements. I have a great occupational therapist that is keeping me on track.
good luck man, they where going to do that with me but luckily found they could repair it without. I've got 2weeks before my cast comes off and pin out. I wish you luck on your journey
Hi, I just recently had my cast off from the same surgery, I’m just wondering how your range of movement is now? Like you say I’m struggling to notice any improvement at this moment in time.
It really depends on the surgeon and recovery process. I had a total failure of all dorsal, arthrex tri-anchor Brunelli procedure w/index tendon graft and 6wk pin thru to caputate 8/20. The pain never subsided, the equipment failed and SLL gap of 5cm pre-surgery was 6cm 8/21. 10/21 different surgeon removed all hardware, performed 4-corner plate proximal row fusion w/scaphoid excision. 5 pins removed 12/21 (one was broken at base plate). Fusion mass technically successful, but pain never subsided to manageable levels during activity. Physical therapy was not successful in managing pain. Wrist instability and pain persisted throughout entire recovery/rehab period. Acute activity-based discomfort significant and notable loss of RoM and grip strength. total removal of plate and screws 10/23 with ulnar osteotomy with 3rd surgeon. One screw had broken from the plate and migrated down wrist nearly 2-inches ~9/23. Screw fragment protruding from ulnar side of wrist and nearly breaking thru skin by the surgery 10/23. All hardware: plate, screws, etc removed. Ulnar bone shaved down to attempt to re-align into socket. (3rd surgeon). First month recovery was excellent and pain reduced to lowest since initial injury 5/5/20. Ulnar joint has since slid from socket again and functionality regressed. Joint displacement is obvious and progressively worsening. Pain is increasing with worsening ulnar displacement. Likely to require/undergo total wrist fusion in near future.
Perhaps a longer, slower, and more deliberately cautious approach towards rehabilitation and physical therapy immediately following my initial surgery might be the most likely place to have handled differently. Use of rotational gyroscopic ball designed for wrist strengthening and physical conditioning may have been detrimental in the initial healing process. The physical therapy and rehab program IS CRITICAL for recovery from this injury and any surgery. Balancing healing with rehabilitation is so, so, SO important and necessary when dealing with soft tissue injuries. Pace yourself and LISTEN TO YOUR BODY. Soft tissue repair takes time. If you push too much, too soon, or... BOTH... things can go from bad to worse before you even realize it
man this video makes so much more sense now that i’m 3 months and a week post surgery. my fingers and hand have gotten a lot better but still somewhat stiff. my biggest complaint right now is range of motion of the wrist. my “flex” of moving the wrist forward is like 5 degrees right now. still really really stiff. extension is a little better but nowhere near where you were at in this video with regards to both flex and extension. hoping i make some big gains over the next month 🤞
Thank you for the two videos.i watched them the morning of surgery. I agree with you about the block but I had to see for myself. Unfortunately the pain was something I didn't believe would be as it was until the block wore off.
@@jackharding144 got my pins out on the 26 of June and started therapy that day. Your videos have been a great help. One question: When did you start hitting golf balls? I'm thinking of starting to putt and maybe chip. But I'm wondering if pushing for August 1 to be able to hit the driver and play golf regularly is possible? I, too, am working my hand daily, and keyboarding like crazy, which I think is helping me gain strength. Thanks again, Jack!
Stephen Zinone Hi Stephen, I know for me personally there’s no way I could’ve hit golf balls only five weeks after pin removal. Chipping and putting I could certainly see. But I seem to recall going at least two or three months until I went to the driving range and hit wedge through driver. And even after that first time, my wrist definitely felt it for a few days. I would definitely suggest checking with your doctor and getting his blessing. Best of luck, and hit ‘em straight
Thank you Jack for this video. I injured my wrist about 5 months ago and going on 6th month. I finally went to see a hand specialist and confirmed that I sustained a SLAC injury that will require surgical intervention. I am 52 yrs old, highly active, a registered nurse, an avid outdoorsman, and a brown belt in juijitsu and trying to get my black belt. I was devastated to get the news today and I am so glad to see your journey from the start. You have no idea how uplifting this is for me and I appreciate your time it took for you to share your own personal experience. You gave me hope and lifted my spirits. My surgery is scheduled in two weeks. Thank you so much. Please provide an update. also how old are you. Thank you Jack.
Hi Chris- sorry about your injury. Given how active you are, it sounds like you will get through this with no problem. I attacked my physical therapy and recovery as if I was on a mission and it worked out just fine. These days, I really have to pause and think to remember which wrist I hurt. My wrist is fine, still lift weights and do push-ups/ pull-ups daily. I just turned 60 and was 56 when I had the surgery. You got this! Good luck!
@@jackharding144 Hi Jack--I just want to give you an update. I had the surgery October 14,2022. I got the pins removed two days ago and the doctor wanted a cast another ten days from when the pins were removed. I was taken aback how painfully stiff my wrist was and felt unstable. Next Friday 12/09/2022 will be the big day for the cast will be removed for good and will get a brace. extensive therapy will follow but PT therapy wait list is far away. any suggestions on hand wrist exercises and stretching? How is the pain now Jack. Again thank you for your video and you helped me get through the toughest part of my journey. God bless you
@@chriscorros3298 Hi Chris - glad to hear you are progressing. PT will give you lots of progressive exercises focusing on your fingers/wrist/grip strength and mobility, so good you are going to that. The other thing that was helpful in my case was working my wrist/fingers even on off PT days. In other words, I went to the gym probably 5x a week over and above PT once pins were removed, and the constant gripping/regripping of gym equipment did wonders in helping recover. I also kept a finger strength gadget in my car (purchased on amazon) that I would use all the time when driving. No pain whatsoever in my hand for many years now. Good luck!!
I'm week 5 post op and miserable. Your videos and comments are helpful and encouraging. I wish the best for anyone struggling with this injury/surgery. Would you consider another update video. There are surely other people who will benefit if you do. I appreciate your time and thoughtfulness to share your experiences.
Hi - I've had several people ask for a final update video. The only reason I haven't done one is there isn't much to update, and I mean that in a good way. I am 2+ years since my surgery, and my wrist for the most part now is as if I never hurt it. My Range of Motion never got back to 100% of what is was pre-injury, but it is pretty close. My wrist does some clicking once in a while when I bench press, but only until it warms up. The biggest mental image I can related to you is that lately, I have to "think" and remember which wrist I hurt sometimes. Wish you best of luck in your recovery!
Thiird Eye I did it last September at work. I didn’t do anything except PT thinking that was enough until I got MRI which showed a tear so finally getting surgery. Not looking forward to spending summer in a cast but that’s how it goes
Hey Jack thanks a lot for the 2 videos. I had my surgery done in Egypt a year ago, we have here great surgeons but not so great physiotherapists. So can you please upload a video of what routines you did for the therapy, because my recovery is not going so well in the range of motion part, but my strength is full recovered. Thanks again.
@@thefutureh yes the pain will take some time about 2 weeks or so, and my range of motion is about 85%. but the pt is the most important part of this process, you have to do it as soon as you get the cast off. If you dont do it properly you will not be fully recovered, and by the way it takes time about 6-2 month so be patient. and read a lot about your injury.
@@mohamedel-mamlouk7574 thank you mohamed ... what was your range of motion when you took the cast off plus moving from side to side ? And last question how much is your gap between scaphoid and lunate ?
Hey mate Thankyou for this information. 20 weeks ago I noticed pain lifting anything occurring in the scapholunate which I didn’t know it was at the time. 3 days ago I did an MRI and have found I’ve torn all 3 components of the ligament so I’m waiting to see a hand surgeon on the 16th of Jan. Fingers are crossed my recovery is like yours
@@becomemoreeveryday Wrist recovered nearly 100%, to the point of I have to "think" for a second these days about which wrist I hurt (my surgery was 4 years ago). My range of motion never returned 100%, but is pretty close. I started lifting again immediately after my pins were removed. Very light/easy at first, no free weights or dumbbells. Regarding benchpress, I used machines exclusively at first with light weight, then progressed eventually to free weights. My wrist is able to handle same weights now for bench using either bar or dumbbells.
@@jackharding144 Thankyou for your reply mate.. Surgeon has left it up to me whether I go with surgery or rehab and try to live with managing the injury via rehab. I’m hoping the non surgical route is wise. Any thoughts?
@@becomemoreeveryday For me, it was an easy decision. After I hurt my wrist, I continued to lift for about 5 or 6 weeks, thinking it would get better and I would just deal with the pain. Instead it got progressively worse. At that point I went to Dr., who said if I chose not to have surgery and live with the pain, rehab wouldn't "fix" the tear and I would likely have to get wrist fused in the future. So given my lifestyle, surgery was my decision, and to get it done as quickly as possible. My timeline was hurt wrist in late December, dealt with pain until February, surgery in mid March, pins removed late April and immediately into rehab and light lifting. Able to do full weight pull-ups around 6 weeks after pins out, pushups at 10 weeks, and fully back to all free weights / dumbbell exercises around 3 months after pin removal. There was normal stiffness in wrist and fingers for probably ~6 months after surgery, but eventually it went away. Again, for me, surgery was the best decision and something I've never regretted.
Wow it s amazing that you are able to hit golf balls... I have hit a tree with golf club 2 weeks ago, and sprained my left wrist and still painful to even just to hold the club. Seems like I can't seed to bear the weight of the club. So distressed. Just waiting for the time to pass and healed completely so then I can swing and go golf without any pain.
Thanks for the video. I just found it. I had my pin pulled 2 weeks ago, and im doing good on my stretches. Little by little everyday. Range of motion was not a problem for me, but it does get sore at the end of the day. I love to work out, and that was a big fear of mine. Not being able to lift free weights again. But now i know just to give it a little bit more time. Thank you so much. It was very helpful!
Hey Willie - good luck in your rehab. I'm now approaching 3 years since my surgery and I have to think twice about which wrist I hurt . . . it is completely back to "normal", only exception being slightly reduced range of motion.
Hi! Like many others, I came across your video when trying to decide to have the scapholunate repair. I had mine done about 10 weeks ago but with Internal Brace system which does not use pins. I was very thankful to not have pins. I’m about 60/60 on flexion and extension. I’m still pretty sore and can’t bear weight over 3 lbs just yet but like you, I’m aggressively exercising my hand to get my ROM back. Strength will come. Thanks so much for your updates!
OK!! I'm getting the surgery next Tuesday!! I'm hoping to be able to do most of my pole moves in 6 months. That's my goal. So, hopefully by February so I can compete at Pacific Pole Championships again in March of 2020. Wish me luck!!
Thank you for your video! About 48 hours after surgery now. Had operation where they used a graft. No pins though. The worst part is the intense pain and tingeling in the hand now post-op. I´m basicly clockwatching and waiting for the time that I can have my next dose of painkillers. LOL. I was in fact so worried about compartment syndrome due to these sensations that I went back to the surgeon twice, who assured me everything is fine. Your words and the other comments on this and the previous video sure helps alot. Only 7 weeks and 5 days left until the cast comes off! Wohoo!! :D
@@jackharding144 Thank you very much! Day 7 now and the pins and needles and nerval pain due to the cast are quite bad, but atleast no compartment syndrome according to the doctor. How long did it take until you felt relativly painless?
@@mvpno1726 When it will be "painless" is a tough one. You will probably feel pain/stiffness/discomfort for several months, it just varies from person to person. The first month post surgery is the toughest, but it will slowly get a little better each day. Good luck
Thank you Jack for sharing your experience, just had my right hand done, was starting to get a little discouraged just because of the range of movement in my wrist, had the pin pulled out bout a month ago, I’m making progress in my fingers and hand just not a whole lot in my wrist
Hi Lonnie - I remember how slow progress seemed at times. Just hang in there and keep putting in the work to rehab/strengthen the fingers and wrist. I will get better! Best of luck
I just had this surgery done the first part of it getting the pins in i just had it done yesterday and dang last night it hurt so badly medication did help though. I will get the pins removed in 6 weeks
Hi, thanks for the two videos. I injured my wrist about two weeks ago and ignored it (guy thing). Then over the next two weeks the pain increased to the point where I knew something was definitely wrong. Went to a clinic and they took x-rays and the radiologist noticed the SL "gap" indicating something was wrong. I will be seeing ortho within the next couple of days and will probably have an MRI. From everything I have seen on RUclips I will probably have the same surgery as you have had. I appreciate the information you put out in your videos so I know what to expect over the next few months. Thanks!
Hi Jack! Wanted to thank you for taking the time to document and putting your story up. It’s so helpful mentally to see someone who has gone through something similar and had a successful outcome. I have a partial tear of the scapholunate ligament, but it’s not allowing me to do my exercises like push ups or burpees and any other push type exercise. Did not want to even consider surgery but seeing how I will not be able to do something I truly enjoy, I will be setting my appointment up to see the hand surgeon ASAP, I think that the surgery is inevitable if I want to return to prior level of function. How are you doing now? How long ago was your surgery? Thanks again for sharing
JC Hey JC - I think everyone has different levels of success with this. I definitely worked hard to get it back. I am now 18 months post surgery and honestly wouldn’t even know I had it now. No pain, no restrictions, etc. My range of motion is slightly less than what it once was, but to such a minor degree it doesn’t really even matter. Wish you the best of luck
Thanks for the video. Really helpful. I had partial tear 4 months ago and still reluctant to go ahead with surgery. Last appointment with PT yesterday and they said it’s not going to improve without surgery. Don’t know man🤯
Hey Ammar - I hear you, it is a commitment going with the surgery. In my case, Dr. said the same, and that it wouldn't get better without surgery. So I just got it done as fast as possible. Good luck!
Hey Jack, thanks so much for taking the time to make this video. I am having surgery in two weeks and not looking forward to it but your video has definitely helped me prepare. Thanks
Hi eric i did the same surgery and just removed my cast two days ago and doing PT in home , what is the time from your intial injury to surgery ? And what is the gap in between ?
Thank you for making this. I'm awaiting the same surgery here in the UK. It will be interesting to compare any differences between rehab and surgery method. I'm pleased you can take your weight for push ups as not being able to weight bear is my frustration with this injury.
@@thefutureh hi, I had a 2 year gap between injury and surgery. Unfortunately, the repair wasn't possible because of the time. So I've had the joint tidied up and nerves removed from the wrist instead. This has worked and I can now weight bear fully and back to rock climbing. Time from surgery to weight bearing etc, 2 months. Though 4 months to full mobility. I put in the work on home physio!
@@sarahnelson7534 ow wow am happy that you get back on track it realy gives me hope but what was name of your surgery , is it 4 courner fusion and whats your range of motion ?
@@thefutureh I couldn't have the fusion as the injury was too old for a successful fusion (NHS in UK wouldn't do it or it wasn't appropriate). I had the cartilage and ligament removed and a denervation of the interosseous?? nerve.
Had my pins removed. The worst part of recovery is dealing with stiff hands and pain. I managed to keep moving my wrist and the pain has eased up. You should always used your hands to do daily activities to slowly get your hand back to working but takes time. I have issues however moving my wrist side to side.
Am glad i found your video man i have my surgery this Thursday coming up from the same procedure you had... i dislocated my left wrist it was a pretty bad injury but i guess just like anybody am just nervous.. i am a nervous guy am afraid you know but with ur video it made me feel a lot more comfortable
@@KYK07A i went through my surgery everything went really good thank god am back at work now... i dont have 100 movement on my wrist but am better like this rather then not having my hand at all
Thank you for the videos! I'm an avid motocross rider and gym nut so its been driving me crazy wondering how long before I may be able to get back into my regular routine, these videos gave me a good idea. I have another month before they take the pins out of my wrist so hopefully i can start building my upper body strength back up in 3 months. I also dislocated and fractured my shoulder at the same time as my wrist so I get to deal with two tough injuries at the same time.
So how’s it going now? My doctor told me they really don’t have a way to fix it kind of got me scared but my surgery date is Wednesday 25th. Kind of scared to do it. I drive a truck for a living it’s kind of hard on my hand tried to go to work with out the surgery done and it hurts like hell. I’m kind of worried on how it will heal. Just wondering what’s ur range of motion and strength with that hand?
I hurt my wrist at work, my scapholunate ligament is completely torn, I have to see a hand surgeon in the next few days. I'm in a brace now, I'm in a lot of pain I wish they would come on but I'm in a workers comp world.
Tough to answer . . . I work remotely and went back to work the next day for a few hours, but it was tough. Your wrist is in a lot of pain initially and you can't type at all with the hand/wrist. If I had to go into an office I think I would have taken the week off. But it will all be worth it I promise you when you get through it all. Best of luck to you!
Hi Jack. Please make another video. Where are you at now? How's your ROM and your ability to bear weight? How's your confidence compared to the non-injured side on a scale out of 10? Do you have any residual feelings of instability or clicking? Is there any pain or other symptoms remaining in the wrist and hand? I'm going through this injury myself now. 4 months ago I came off my bike and hit the ground hard with both hands. My left wrist is feeling worse than the right. MRI shows a gap at the SL joint. My doctor is recommended me surgery as soon as possible but I waited to see the natural progression whilst taking conservative care and rehab. Results have not been as good as I hoped, whilst my ROM is nearly full, I get pain and stiffness due to swelling around the tendon sheets, associated with altered wrist mechanics, that feels like shooting painful and pulling in my thumb and hands. Overall conservative management has seen improvement in my symptoms, but it's not enough to come back to my work as a Chiropractor. Hence I will almost certainly be doing the procedure in the near future. I also have a tear on the TFCC.vi What I'd like to know most of all is if the surgery has left you with any long-term consequences that affects your activities of daily life. I thank you Jack. Your previous videos have been a great source of support.
Hi - sorry about your injury . . . so the quick answer is 6 years post op, and I have to "think" for a second to remember which wrist I hurt. ROM is slightly reduced from prior to injury, but otherwise good as new. I hurt my wrist in late December of 2017, and I was hoping for it to heal, but pain continued to progress. After MRI and Dr. visits, my surgeon was pretty blunt stating that it would progress resulting in likely needing to fuse the wrist down the road. Given my high activity level, he recommended the surgery. So I scheduled it immediately after that Dr.'s visit (which was around 2 months after I hurt it). I committed to PT post surgery and immediately was cleared to resume light resistance training. For me definitely was without a doubt correct decision. Best of luck to you!
Thanks for sharing! How are things now 6 years later? I have aimilar injury with scapholunate volar and intraosseous components are torn. Recommendation is a Proximal Row Carpectomy which seems extreme. So, weighing my options and would like to know a bit more about your outcome. Thanks again!
Hi - 6 years later and I have to think twice to remember which wrist I hurt. Slightly less range of motion, but other than that good as new. Best of luck with your recovery!
Thanks. Very similar experience as you. I am 7 weeks pins removed. I too have some swelling still on bottom of hand like you and on top. Really appreciate being able to compare it with someone else who had same procedure.
@@jennycreative1 Do you know why it is so swollen? The pin on the outside of my hand had gotten under the skin but not bad enough to need cutting to remove the pin. I will have to keep an eye out on swelling.
@@michellejensen7086 Yes, I remember 5 weeks being really swollen. It will be rough for another couple weeks. I'm doing very well. I'm 2 and a half years post-op and I still get stiffness in my wrist. So I do PT on myself every day and keep it moving. Cold weather really makes it stiff too, as well as long hours at the computer. However, I can do all the things on the pole that I want to do. There are things that I'll just do on one side, but I've always been like that with a few moves. I really can't do hand stands or pushups! Oh well. LOL Here is a 2 year post-op follow up video on my progress ruclips.net/video/4j1fWTm1WTQ/видео.html I wish you the best. You'll feel better soon!!
Can you make a video now of your hand after so many years I want to see your range of motion. I’m removing my pins after two weeks. I want to know how my future looks. Please just make a video moving your hand back-and-forth. Maybe give me some push-ups in that video too.
Hi - thanks for watching. A video would probably be overkill, since my wrist quite simply is good as new. Have slightly less range of motion, but other than that, I have to think twice to remember which wrist I hurt. Still workout nearly every day and it holds up just fine. Best of luck!!
Hi Jack. It's Paul Rathkamp again, logging in under my son's id now. I had my pin removed 4 days ago and have just begun hand therapy. I'll be in a velcro brace for several weeks now - much better now that the cast is behind me. it seems my recovery experience is going to be a bit different than yours as they don't want me to do anything except flexibility exercises for the first few weeks (no strength). They believe that I still need to give the donor tendon time to strengthen its bond with the scaphoid and lunate bones and strengthening would stress it too much. Like you, I'd like to go gang-busters on my recovery so this is a little disappointing to me - i have my first post op in 2 days so i'll ask the doc about it then. I don't have nearly the swelling that you reported, other than my forefinger is swollen and feels a bit numb as a result. I'm told that should resolve within the first 12 weeks. Did you feel any numbness in your hand/fingers? I have a number of flexibility exercises to do - mainly for my fingers and just one right now for the wrist. I'm told they will slowly add more flex exercises in the coming weeks.
Hi Paul - great to hear your progress. You are definitely fortunate not to have the swelling. I finally went and had my wedding ring resized 7 months after my initial surgery . . . got tired of waiting. I don't recall any numbness in my fingers. How long did you have the pins in?
I just had one pin and it was in for 6 weeks. After removal i was in a soft splint for one week. I am now 7.5 weeks post surgery and 1.5 weeks post pin removal. Will be wearing a velcro brace for the next several weeks. I just started doing hand therapy at the 7 week post surgery mark and just going very slow at their urging. From what i gathered, you were cleared to get after your recovery in a much more aggressive way. I'll see the doc in 2 days for my first post op and will ask him about for his views on it too.
Interesting . . . I was 6 weeks with 2 pins. But yes, I was cleared to begin right away with therapy and gym. But every case is different and I'm sure your Dr. has his reasons for taking more conservative approach. Best of luck!
October will be 3 years since I had my surgery. I never have to question which wrist I hurt. It goes numb when I am laying on my left arm in bed. My range of motion is still limited. Before surgery I could do 400 to 500 push-ups a day, it was painful but tolerable. Now its too painful to do any. I'm glad your surgery was a success but I feel i was better off not getting the surgery.
Really sorry to hear that. At the time of my injury, my pain was getting progressively worse. My doctor said I could do nothing, but would likely need to have wrist fusion years down the road. Truly wish you luck and hope it gets back to normal
hi Jack- I am a local based on your hat and shirt! May I ask who you saw? I am still trying to figure out best plan of action as I have a tfcc tear as well...You sound great and so good to see a positive result! Lisa
Hi Lisa - Go Boro! I went to Dr. Marc Lamb at Princeton Orthopaedic. He was great, And was spot on with setting expectations and prognosis, highly recommend him.
Thank you for sharing your experience. I’m scheduled to have this surgery in 3 days. Like you, weight lifting is a huge part of my life. I’ve gone so far as to rig a home gym that circumvents the wrists. Your videos have certainly given me hope that I’ll be able to recover and resume physical activity after a reasonable amount of healing time, for that, I thank you. How is your wrist currently doing?
Hi Aaron - wishing you luck on your upcoming surgery. To put my current "status" in the best context, I rarely think of my wrist, and when I do I literally have to think about which one I hurt. The only exercise that I feel a difference on is flat bench during first set or two, then once warmed up it is fine. First couple of days after surgery aren't pleasant, hope you can get some sleep. Good luck!
Hi Jack, Did your doctor tell you that the success rate is only 80%? Who did your surgery? I need surgery as well and today was told that there is a real chance that it might fail. I guess I'm wondering if this is normal or if I should look to get a second opinion. Thank you in advance. Ben
Hi Ben - first and foremost, listened to some of your music and wow . . . you have an amazing sound . . . wish you best of luck with your career. Regarding success rate, I don't recall my Dr. putting a % on the surgery. He did tell me that if I did nothing, I would almost certainly need my wrist to be fused in the future at some point. Given my high level of activity, the Dr. seemed confident in the surgery. And I fully committed to rehab immediately after getting the pins out. And now 6 years later, I have to think for a second to recall which wrist I hurt. I know success rates depend highly on age and physical activity levels, and you seem to have both in your favor. Dr. Marc Lamb of Princeton Orthopedic in NJ (www.princetonorthopaedic.com) performed the surgery and was really fantastic. Best of luck to you !
Thank you for your thoughtful (and optimistic) response! I really appreciate it@@jackharding144 . Yes, I am very much active like yourself. Glad to hear you have fully recovered. Take care
@@jackharding144 Had my surgery done yesterday. Looks about the same as your hand in the first video. I was given screws in mine that apparently will come out after two weeks. I haven’t heard anything about a hard cast, but perhaps I wasn’t listening close enough. Rewatch ing your videos is helpful in seeing what lies ahead. I’m very anxious to get the screws out and start my physical therapy. Having one hand is extremely annoying as I’m sure you remember. Thanks again for the videos. -Ben
Hi - wrist is doing great these days . . . like it never happened to be honest. I have to stop and think about which wrist I hurt. Slightly diminished range of motion, but no pain or popping noises, etc.. I have been very fortunate, as I know not everyone has same positive outcome. Good luck!
@@jackharding144 I had surgery oct 2019. I lost some motion which is expected. 1 year 4 months after surgery and I still cannot do push-ups cause of the pain. Does this seem right?
@@ConstitutionJedi Hey James - I know everyone is different in their levels of recovery. If you watched my video you saw I was pretty aggressive with my rehab. As soon as my pins came out, I was cleared to start working out lightly. I had to wear a brace for a while, but started doing pushups using dumbbells, holding them with the ends pointing to 12 and 6 o'clock if that makes sense. Over time, I worked my way to having the dumbbells pointing towards 9 and 3 o'clock. Eventually, I stopped using dumbbells (and the brace) and was able to do normal pushups. Is the pain in your wrist caused by the bending to do a pushup, or the weight of your body?
@@jackharding144 Jack, I live in SE Michigan and am looking for a doctor for this. If you are anywhere near me, would you recommend your doc? If you live somewhere else, no worries. Thank you!!
where was your pain after the injury in relation to your wrist? I mean on top on the side ect. I am pretty sure I tore something in my wrist on the ulnar side . But I can move my hand in all directions.
I'm going through the exact injury. I just went through op and in the 1st few days of the cast. Weeks and weeks of recovery phase just cause of this injury.... Hais.. But it's encouraging to see that you are doing well. Looking forward to more updates!!! Do share some personal tips if it aids in recovery :)
My biggest tip would be as soon as you get pins out and Dr.'s approval, immediately begin rehabilitation. I also immediately went back to the gym after my pin removal . . . . so between going to rehab/therapy twice a week, and going to the gym 5 times a week, I was working my wrist and fingers every single day. It took a while but you will be back to "normal" in no time!
@@jackharding144 sorry I didn't catch your reply I'm watching your video again outside the operation room. I'm about to get my pins removed!!! I have exams in 3 days. Can't wait to get my exams over with and start recovery!!! If you can share some hand physiotherapy exercises that would great. In case my doctors didn't include them. Any good recovery food or supplements? Any particular routines to get the wrist and hand back to normal?
Hi Sam. I'm now 10 weeks post surgery and have been doing PT for 3 weeks. My doc wanted me to go much slower than Jack's doc for some reason, so i've mostly been working on flexibility and have only just begun doing a little finger strengthening over the past week. I've got about 55 degrees flex in one direction and 30 degrees in the other which is pretty good and i'm happy so far with that progress. Surgery was on my left wrist which is my dominant hand - i can now cut my steak, brush my teeth, put on clothes all using that hand. My forefinger is still swollen and a bit numb - hoping that goes away at some point. And my wrist is still somewhat swollen too. Do you have a hand therapist to go to? That has been extremely helpful in guiding my recovery. I feel that i've still got a long ways to go, but on the road. Congrats on getting your pins removed. That's a huge step. Paul
Hey Jack - me again, lol. Went for a 2nd opinion this morning, not so much to hopefully hear something different, moreso bc I think it's the doc that I want to do the surgery. Yeah I’d say he was a tiny bit more in the grey area (versus 1st doc I saw) about the need for surgery, but we went through the pros and cons of surgery and ultimately with me being 45, he still thought surgery was the way to go. But he said it was a commitment post surgery, long recovery, etc. As I'm sure you are all too familiar with. If I was north of 60 then he said maybe he would opt to hold off on surgery and then just deal with lesser involved surgeries down the road if/when the arthritis develops. Which he said would be pretty likely if left untreated. Quick question for you - my 1st doc said 2 months in cast post surgery and this latest doc said 3 months in cast post surgery, was wondering what it ended up being for you?
So I just went back and looked at my calendar from that year. My surgery was on March 20, spent first week postop in a splint, waiting for swelling to go down, then had hard cast put on March 27. Went to see the doctor every two weeks thereafter to have cast removed, x-rayed, then put back on. Second surgery to remove the pins was on May 3. So I was in a soft cast for one week, then hard cast for about five & 1/2 weeks. After pin removal, was in a splint for probably about three or four weeks as I remember. For what it is worth, my doctor knew my lifestyle, and based on that ( and me being very active) he strongly recommended surgery. I was 55 when I had the surgery, and six years later, can’t even remember which wrist was operated on :-). So for me, it was absolutely the right call to get the surgery. Everyone is different, hope your final decision works out best for you and your lifestyle.
@@jackharding144 Thanks for that context, it is very helpful and appreciated. Was it your dominant arm? Luckily for me it's not, and I play a lot of tennis and pickleball and fortunately don't have to use the left arm a lot, lol. BTW - looks like my surgery is tentatively scheduled for Mar 21st, we might miss each other by a day lol
@@Mdecoursey1 Same here- injury was on my non dominant hand. And I just looked when I made that second video where I’m wearing the red shirt; that was July 30. So it took me four months from initial surgery to being probably 95% “back” in action.
Hi Jack. I see that you are very happy with your recovery and that gives me hope as well. 8 months ago I had a motorcycle accident and tore my scapholunate ligament. I have recovered 80 of extension (same as my good hand), 80 of flexion (I have 85 in the good hand, I hope to recover the 5 degrees that I lack), radial movement is fine and finally in ulnar movement I am sad because I lack 10 degrees approximately and I can not improve (in the good hand I have 40 and the bad 30 approximately). Do you think I can improve a little more? by the way, the STIFFNESS is pretty horrible. Does it go away with the years? Thank you very much and greetings.
Hi - not sure if I replied already or not, but stiffness does eventually go away. Regarding range of motion, I never fully got back to what I was pre surgery, but I am pretty close. And the last 5 - 10 degrees are not impacting anything in my daily activities. Best of luck!
Great videos. Thank you. There’s not a lot of information on partial tears. I tore the volar fibers but have preservation of the dorsal fibers. Obviously the dorsal are the stronger of the two and the only one that they bother repairing / reconstructing. I’m still being recommended for surgery with a repair being the most likely situation, and possible reconstruction. I’m a little over 6 weeks out from the injury. Have you come across any videos of people talking about partial tears, i.e. repairs of the dorsal fibers?
@@michellejensen7086 Hi Michelle - if you had the surgery than the toughest part is behind you (the first 24 - 48 hours of recovery). ROM will come back slowly, but it will come back. Best advice I can offer is to work the wrist/fingers every single days, even days you don't go to any PT. You may have seen my response to other questions from folks, but I am 3 years since my surgery and I literally have to stop and think about which wrist I hurt. You will get it back! Good luck in your recovery!
Hi - during my rehab sessions, I was doing lots of touching thumb to other 4 fingers, picking up marbles, hand grip tool, hand maze, etc.. Definitely google therapy exercises and there are tons of videos on this. Much easier than me trying to explain typing. Good luck!
Thanks a lot for your reply that is very helpful. How often would you use the hand maze and hand grip tool a day?? Im concerned about using it too much or too little causing more damage. Thanks again
SPACE FLAN I would definitely check with your doctor, but for me I worked my wrist every single day. I went to the gym probably five times a week, went to physical therapy twice a week, and had my grip strength hand tool at my desk that I squeezed pretty much all day long. I would also use the grip strength tool in the car while driving. I found the more you worked your wrist and especially your fingers, the better off you will be.
Very helpful in further understanding the process. Went to see doctor today and indication is tear of the schapholunate. Doctor indicated that I could do nothing and live with the pain that is only there during certain activities and which may or may not improve over time. In your second video you indicated that you had some kind of choice in treatment - wondering what else you considered? I am leaning toward surgery since I am a golfer and do not think I will enjoy trying to play through the pain. Just wondering your thoughts. Also saw your VU shirt - I am a VU grad - tough year for the Cats.Thanks for any insights.
Hi Joe - NovaNation! I'm an alum ('85) and have a son there now in Junior year . . . great excuse to go back to campus frequently. During my consultation with my Dr. post X-Ray/MRI, he said I could live with it (no surgery) but it would likely get worse over time and potentially end up with needing to get my wrist fused. I waited nearly three months after my initial injury to see if it would get better/less pain, but it didn't and actually pain increased. For me it was a no brainer to have the surgery, as I wanted to remain active going forward. I am now 13 months post surgery and my wrist is completely back to normal . . . no pain or stiffness in either wrist or fingers. Haven't played a round of golf yet - course maintenance crews sending me thank you notes ;-) - but have gone to driving range with no issues. First round of year coming up soon. Best of luck to you and more than happy to answer anything else.
@@jackharding144 Jack, thanks for the prompt reply. I am alum 79 CHE - Campus has really changed over the years (so has the tuition). Fortunately or unfortunately for me my daughters choose/(are choosing - ones a senior in HS) other schools. Sounds like I got similar suggestions/info from my doctor on the do nothing option - guess I just wanted to hear if that was a consideration for you as I am of the same mind, I want to stay active and be pain free when doing so, so I was immediately leaning toward the surgery - but operations always come with risks and differing outcomes - this procedure seems pretty common and outcomes usually positive so wanted to hear your take on the do nothing option. Weather finally cooperating for the golf - so have a great round when you get out there. Looks like mine will be delayed until next spring.
Thank you for sharing. I am a competitive obstacle course racer and have a full tear. I am in-between deciding if I should get surgery or not and this was helpful. I was told that I would be unable to weight lift or do burpees or push ups after surgery ever again. May I ask who performed your surgery and if you got multiple opinions?
Hi Jill - sorry about your injury. I had my surgery done by Dr. Marc Lamb at Princeton Orthopedics in Princeton NJ. I did not get multiple opinions, as I was comfortable with his recommendations which were very positive about my recovery post surgery. The Dr. did say if I did not get surgery, the pain would continue to increase and in time I would likely need to get my wrist fused . . . that alone was enough for me to get the surgery. Regarding your post surgery allowed activities suggested by your Dr., that is a bit surprising to hear. I was told presurgery that I should be able to return to all activities and my Dr. was absolutely correct. I was able to perform all activities (weight lifting, pull-ups, pushups, etc.) post surgery with no restrictions. My surgery was 4 years ago and my wrist has no issues whatsoever. Wish you the best of luck!
This gives me hope! Thank you so much for sharing your experience and giving me peace of mind. I am glad to hear you are doing well and able to resume all normal activities! There is not a lot of information out there on this injury so thank you again for the feedback and details regarding the surgery and recovery. :)
Thanks for the video. I have a full lateral tear and its not making life fun. My dr. Has said there is a significant chance i will have an additional decrease in mobility (already limited) post surgery . Im a tennis player so this is causing some anxiety. Tried the injection route and not helpful. Nice to hear your mobilty actually increased after. Do you know what your mobilty measurement degrees were at prior to the surgery?
Hey John - just to be clear my mobility definitely did not increase after surgery. I could only compare my repaired wrist mobility against my good wrist . . . Post surgery my last extension measurement was 77 degrees (good wrist) vs 72 on repaired wrist, and it probably improved a little bit to get close to 77 degrees. The last flex measurement was 69 degrees on good wrist, and 45 on repaired wrist. The flex may have improved a little more since that last measurement was taken. The decrease in mobility hasn't limited me in anyway. For me the surgery was a no brainer as the pain was getting worse prior to surgery and limiting me in activities. No regrets getting it and honestly these days I have to think for a second to remember which wrist I hurt. Best of luck to you
@@jackharding144 Thank you Sir. Good to hear. I need to get it done. Just concerned about an even further decrease in mobility. Just have to hit the pt hard I guess. Thanks again
Hi Jack. Thank you so much for this information. I just was diagnosed with the same 100% tear of all 3 ligaments in my wrist and will be having the same surgery. I just started a new job and wondering realistically when I can return to work which involves typing. How soon after surgery could you type on a keyboard comfortably? It’s not my dominate hand thankfully. Look forward to hearing back. Sandi
Hi Sandi - sorry about your injury. Regarding returning to work, your hand/wrist will be pretty useless for at least a week or two. I remember returning to (remote) work the next day and only lasting about an hour or so with discomfort. Typing was really impossible for me other than one handed typing. Your fingers will be in a lot of pain and will take some time to get back to normal typing. Probably not what you wanted to hear, and I hope your experience is faster than mine. Wish you the best of luck!
Thank you for the video. How long time from the operation untill you could write by hand? I mean with a pen and write like an full A4. Perhaps you do not write much. I am asking because I will have an written exam at the University and wonder when it is realistic to think I can do that. I understand that it is individual. What was your experience?
Hi - the wrist I injured was my non-writing hand, but I don't think you will be able to write very well for several months after surgery. It just takes a while for your fingers to regain flexibility. Wish you luck!
Not sure if I made the right decision to have the surgery I underestimated the recovery time for sure and it is my dominant hand so I’ve been pretty miserable I get my pins out in 5 days so hoping things get better soon been having a lot of pain from the pins witch sucks
Jay - I obviously can't speak for your individual experience . . . the recovery time is significant no doubt. I only know that 4 years post surgery, I have to think about which hand I hurt to be honest. I'm glad I did the surgery, as I know my wrist was only getting worse and would have likely needed to be fused eventually if I didn't have surgery. Was totally worth it in the long run. Best of luck, it will get better I promise!
I’m starting my 8th week post op. Had cast and pin removed week 6. I have not officially started physical therapy yet as I’m waiting on scheduling from them/insurer. A friend who is a therapist has given me good beginning exercises to do at home. I’ve been working with these and I still have virtually zero flexon movement. I have maybe a few degrees extension and I feel like I have made ever so slight progress on that side, where as flexon seems completely immobile. Did you have the same issues with wrist movement, how many weeks post op before you being to gain flexon and extension movements? Thanks for posting the videos have watched them several times before and after surgery.
Hey Ross - your recovery sounds very different than mine so hard to compare "apples to apples" . . . after my pins were removed, I was immediately cleared for rehab and light gym/weights. And I took advantage of it, by going to therapy once a week, gym probably 4 - 5 times a week doing very light weights with machines, and home exercises with wrist/fingers each day while working from home. Improvements in flexon took time but they definitely came consistently with regular exercise/therapy. My second video (when I'm wearing red shirt) was filmed 11 weeks after pin removal, and at that point I had made great progress and was fully back to all activities. The flexon measurements I mention in the video were taken at around 7 weeks after pin removal, so sounds like that is right around where you are timeline wise. Best of luck to you in your recovery!
Thanks so much for putting this video out there. I'm curious while the pins were in and you were still in a hard cast I'm assuming any type of travel especially via plane was off the table? Do you have any idea what the recommended timeframe is to get the surgery after your injury? Just trying to figure out logistics based on some upcoming travel that was already planned. Any insights would be greatly appreciated
I injured my wrist in late December and had the surgery in mid March. That was really after a period of me waiting to see if it would get better on its own, followed by several doctor visits, MRIs, etc. Once the doctor told me it would not Get better, and actually would get progressively worse was when I decided to get the surgery ASAP. I did fly several times with pins in and cast on my wrist. Best of luck with your surgery and recovery.
@@Mdecoursey1 LOL, I mean it wasn't easy because you can't do much with your operated wrist. But, I did travel when I had pins in wrist and casted. Good luck!
@@jackharding144 Curious if you ever learned about this - might've come out right after your surgery - I met with a surgeon this morning that does the surgery a bit different - without the use of pins, just basically uses a stronger synthetic tape to repair the ligament to keep the bones together. Apparently this popular surgeon out of NY Scott Wolfe came up with it. Still about the same recovery and all that.
@@Mdecoursey1 I've heard from some people via RUclips who shared in their comments they had similar surgery without use of pins, so knew it was out there without really knowing any specifics. One of them commented on this right after my surgery if I remember correctly, so it was 6 years ago. She had good success from our conversations
Thank you for posting this video Jack. How did your hand feel after taking the cast off before removing the pins? You did say it was stiff but did you experience any dull pain? I’m certainly not in a lot of it but I wanted to see if the pain I’m experiencing is normal and due to the screw that’s in my hand.
Hi, Thank you for making this video. I'm really worried about my situation. I've just got the fiberglass cast, but I can't even straighten up my fingers. Since I still have the pins, I can't turn my wrist at all. Can you please give me some advice? Should I already search for some exercises? Thank you again!
If I understand, you just had hard cast on which means you are probably a week or two after initial surgery? If that is the case, don't panic! I didn't do any exercises while casted at all, because I couldn't even if I wanted to. I didn't start any rehab/therapy work until after the pins were removed. Wish you luck in your recovery!
@jackharding144 Yes, it's almost three weeks after my surgery, and my accident was on the 27th of April. My next appointment is at the end of June. The doctor said that the fracture happened at a very bad place on my wrist. He suggested seeing how the recovery goes before we set an appointment for the surgery to remove the pins. He's worried about me developing an SLAC wrist, which is a more advanced state of the scapholunate ligament issue you had. I'm a bit afraid. But thanks for your message. It helped me calm down a bit. Sadly, my wrist was broken in several places after a car accident, so it's a bit different from your situation. I was just amazed by your strength and dedication in your videos. Did you hear about this SLAC as well? I can move my fingers in the cast now, and I feel some improvement, but my biggest fear is that my wrist could be limited in mobility. It's very kind of you to try to give advice to every person in the comments section, even many years after.
@@sigyn_2759 Thanks, I know I had lots of questions when I had my surgery and not much was information was out there, so made the videos and glad they are still being helpful to anyone. I have never heard of SLAC wrist but just looked it up and read a bit about it. Best of luck to you in your recovery!
Great vids Jack, very thorough thanks for taking the time. What was most effective therapy in your opinion? I am 4 weeks post op. 2 weeks pins coming out. Looking forward to getting them out!!!
The physical therapy obviously helped . . . I went 2x a week for about 2 or 3 months. I will also emphasize that on top of therapy, I was going to the gym immediately. Grip strength is very weak initially, and constant gripping of gym weights/machines did wonders for bring back strength. Best of luck Layton!
Jack Harding I have been advised to hold off grip training and strength until my ROM improves in the wrist. Currently 10 weeks post op. 3 weeks since pins came out. I can’t wait to start strengthening again however I do want to maximize my flexibility and range also.
@@FightXchannel I got my pins out yesterday and have almost no ROM. Therapy will start in about two weeks but I hope to get on a bike trainer soon and see if I can spin at least. I can't hardly pick up anything yet either. So worried.
Hi mate. Had my surgery a week ago. Going back in to get my full cast ob Tuesday. Mind me asking at what point you returned to weight bearing exercises/gym? Video very helpful thank you.
Hi - just looked up calendar from when I had surgery . . . Surgery was on March 20, pins removed May 3, started rehab and back to gym both on May 10. My doctor cleared me immediately after pin removal to go to gym as long as I stuck to machines and very light resistance training. It took about 10 weeks from pin removal to be back to about 90 percent of gym activities. The gym work really helped in my rehab therapy sessions, as the constant gripping of weights in gym helped strenghen fingers and wrist. Best of luck with your recovery!
Jack, I had the same surgery and I've not been as fortunate. I have lost a ton of strength in my wrist and still have a substantial amount of pain. I'm considering another surgery so I'd love to know who did your procedure. Thanks in advance.
Brad Fitzpatrick Hi Brad, sorry to hear recovery going slower than you like. For what it’s worth, I used Dr. Marc Lamb at Princeton Orthopedic Associates, located in Princeton NJ. Highly recommend him
Hi jack sorry for the disturbness i have a question .. my doc drilled a tunnel inside scaphoid to the inside lunate and put in the tendon ... after 7 weeks still i have pain only on the scaphoid bone while moving and really made me anxious and depreesed because i cant focus while talking and moving the hand without feeling the pain like a stingging pain .. have you felt that pain when you removed the cast ?
Hi Jack thanks for sharing this video... I have a question for the six weeks you have the pins did you feel pain in your thumb? I feel tingling and numbness my doctor sent me to the neurologist and of course the pins are touching the nerve and that's why I have this feeling.. I'm wondering if it is completely normal? As the neurologist said one nerve is compromised but my doctor of course said that the pins are in the correct place to heal the ligament... So it is normal to feel this pain in the thumb until I get the pins removed? And when they remove the pins how long did you still feel this pain in the fingers specially? Thanks
Hi Raquel - I do recall lots of pain in my thumb when the pins were in. Once they come out, the pain (and stiffness) in all your fingers and wrist is there for a while and some days are better than others. But it does get a little better each month, trust me. Just do yourself a favor and work your wrist and fingers everyday during your post pin removal therapy . . . it will greatly speed up your overall recovery. Wish you the best of luck!
Hi - I'm not sure what you mean by the internal brace. I had a small incision on top of my wrist and then small holes for the pins on the side of my wrist
Hey Jack, really appreciate you sharing your surgery experience and recovery journey. I recently underwent the exact same surgery and am just finishing my second week of post-op. I wanted to ask what your pain levels were two weeks plus of post-op? I was removed from a hard cast to a plastic splint one week after surgery and have been frequently experiencing excruciating pain throughout my whole wrist and I wonder if being in a hard cast verses a splint could be the reason. My physicians only gave me two days worth of pain killers (oxycodone) and because of state laws will no longer give me more. How long did your pain last and how many weeks post-op did it subside? Also what did you find to be the best sleeping position? When did you start doing finger/wrist range of motion exercises? Sorry for all the questions but really appreciate any feed back you can give :) Cheers to recovery!
Hi Matt - the first couple of weeks were brutal and was in lots of pain. It clearly wasn't as bad for me, as I did have pain meds for probably the first 10 days. After the first 4 or 5 days post op, I deliberately tried to go through the day without meds, and took them only at night. This definitely helped me sleep. I kept my arm elevated on pillows at night, which at least helped me a little. Since I was in a hard cast for roughly 6 weeks after surgery, I didn't start any rehab/PT until my pins were removed at end of 6 weeks. But I did go immediately into PT. The pain overall just diminished a little more each week . . . the whole process was not pleasant, but at the end I'm glad I did it. I am fully recovered now . . . I have slightly less range of motion, but other than that no restrictions. Wish you the best of luck in your recovery!
@@jackharding144 Really appreciate that response Jack! I'm sitting here about 2.5 weeks post op, with a decent amount of pain, tons of bruising and limited range of motion so really hoping that's normal but sounds like you were in a hard cast for 6 weeks post up. They put me in a removable plastic splint one week post-op which I thought was kind of early. Any other tips/advice is truly appreciated! Thanks again for such an awesome video.
Hi Jack. Those videos are really helpful. Thank you for sharing this. I'm a month after pins removal. Could please share how you were working on your wrist during rehabilitation? What kind of exercises were you doing to strength it up and get that range of motion? I would appreciate this. Thank you once again!
Hi Sebastian - great XFit videos by the way on your channel. The exercises I did after pin removal during rehab ranged from simple stuff like touching your thumb to your other 4 fingers, rotating your wrist between palm facing up and palm facing down, constant stretching, and using a finger strengthening device I bought called Finger Master Hand Strengthener. The therapist had me doing so many various exercises it is tough to put down in a comments section. Going to the gym for regular strength training workouts helped tremendously with hand/grip strength. Hope your rehab goes well!
@@jackharding144 thanx Jack happy to know you are back to the gym. I'm having pain in the middle of my wrist when doing push ups. MRI reported tear in my scaphoid ligament. Just wanted to know what where you symptoms and limitations so I can compare it with mine. Thanx
Amur Al-Maskari Hi Amur - I am about 2 years since my surgery and my wrist is great. No pain or limitations in the gym. I think it took me about 10 weeks after pin removal to get back to normal pushups. Good luck if you get the surgery!
@@amuralmaskari2288 Hi, I am 5 months after pins removal and around 7 months after surgery. I've teared my SL ligament during workout when I was doing squat clean. For me symptoms where: pain in wrist during push ups, pain when trying to turn the key in doors with this hand or when holding frying pen for handle. Any kind of exercise that required pressure on this wrist or some kind of isometric holds caused pain.
Dear, I hope you are doing well. I was diagnose with the same injury but my mind tells me its not true. I wanted to compare the symptoms so I can relate if I have the scapholunate ligament tear. first I have pain only when I extremely bent it upward or downward, side movement no pain. I cant bear any weight on my wrist when I try to use it to lift my self for example and this is the first thing I felt when I went to sea the doctor. I noticed a lump appears on my wrist when a bent it downward, did you had it in your case? Appreciate your support. this is still the case with me for the past two years and I dont know what to believe anymore every doctor has a different opinion.
I can see that you have written this comment 11months ago. How is it now? Can you bare the weight? How long did it take? Sounds like my case, I am only been 2and a half weeks, and seems like range of movements.. and stuff are all good, but if I try to hold anything with the weight, such as golf club, I can't help it. How long did it take for your wrist to get better and normal?
Hey jack, I tore my scapholunate ligament a year and a half ago boxing along with a few other ligaments in my hand and it has knocked me out of all boxing harder than any punch ever has. I decided not to get the surgery the first time around but now I have re injured it badly and surgery seems to be the direction i'm heading now. Was wondering now that a year or so has passed if you feel like your hand has rehabbed well enough to be taking any impacts like punching.
Hi Max - I'm coming up on 2 years since my surgery, and my wrist is back to normal. It certainly feels like it could take impact of punching although I haven't really tried it. Best of luck!
Hey man, I know that this is an old video and it seems that maybe you're not using this channel so often, but I have a series of questions. Could you remember how the procedure name was? And can you remerber if the surgeon where have you gone, have given you different options? I have a scapholunate dissociation, and different surgeons suggest me different options, and I don't know what option I have to choose. Some of them told me that I can have a ligament reconstruction using Herbert's screws and a tendon for creating a ligament replacement (is this the surgery you went through?), others told me that that option is futile and 3 years later I have to undergone new surgeries, and said to me that a partial fusion is the better option (4 corner fusion), but this means a lot of range of movement loss. And finally others say that leaving the wrist untreated and stopping completely using it in heavy activities like lifting is the better option cause I'm too young to get my wrist fused (I'm 24 and I was very active, lifting and doing BJJ and Kickboxing), and in the future I have to finally fuse my wrist, saying also that the ligament reconstruction is not a good option because it doesn’t last much. I really don’t know what to do, and it’s very depressing cause I can’t do nothing, and the future it seems to be also that way.
Hi Juan - I'll try and answer your questions . . . The procedure I had done was scapholunate reconstructive surgery. The Dr. took a donor tendon from my left arm (~2 inch incision just above the wrist) and used the tendon to replace the torn ligament that holds the scaphoid and lunate bones together. The Dr. then secured the tendon with 2 pins, that were removed after 6 weeks. In terms of what options my Dr. gave me, there were really 2 options: 1) Do nothing, but the pain would continue to increase and eventually result in needing fusion in a few years 2) Have the reconstructive surgery. Based on my lifestyle and good health, the Dr. strongly recommended option 2. He knew I wanted to remain active (lifting, golf, etc.) and the surgery provided the best option. I clearly don't know all your specific details, but I can't imagine a Dr. recommending you to have a wrist fusion at 24 years old. I had my surgery in March of 2018, started physical therapy and light weights in May of 2018, and was back 100% by July 2018. Now 1 year later, my wrist is still fine with no issues at all. My range of motion is probably 90% of what it was, but it doesn't limit me in any way. I hope this helps, more than happy to answer any questions you have. Good luck!
@@jackharding144 Thanks a lot for replying!! I was thinking about not doing any surgery, because of what some surgeons told me about the reconstruction procedure ( of not having good results), but your case give me some hope. One more question, since the injury how much time passed by? I'm about a year post injury, and I know that closer to the injury, better are the results. Anyway thanks a lot again for replying, greetings from Argentina.
@@juanbotto3446 About 3 months between injury and surgery. I waited a few weeks after I hurt it, just to see if it would get better. I continued lifting after I hurt it, which probably didn't help the situation. After a month the pain was increasing, so I went to Dr. and he thought it may be torn, but I needed to schedule an MRI which took a couple weeks. So as soon as the MRI results came in, I went back to Dr. who confirmed 100% tear. So we scheduled the surgery immediately and I was operated on about 5 days later. For me the decision to have the surgery was easy . . . it gave me the best chance to get full use of my wrist back. I was super dedicated in rehabbing / therapy and worked my wrist and fingers every day. Hope this helps - greetings from the USA!
Thanks, great videos. My SLL tear story is virtually identical to yours, but seems to be less positive. I'm at 12 weeks post pin removal. My wrist feels stable, pain is minor, and mostly functional. My extension is slowly improving, but flexion is horrible...20 degrees when warm, with little progress. What flexibility exercises did you find most useful?
I remember using low weight dumbbell, hanging wrist over table and doing extension/flexion curls. Did this during rehab sessions. They also had me using hand / wrist maze each time, which helped with range of motion. Good luck in your recovery!
i am waiting for my MRI results, but i am dealing with the same pain and instability you mentioned, and i was wondering after all these years, can you lift or essentially live life the same life you did before surgery? are there any limitations you have today or no.
Hi Jack and thanks for your two videos. I've had the exact surgery as you, 5 months ago, and boy oh boy did I go through hell! I have Ataxia and am always falling! Can not leave house and get PT. Can you make a video showing the exercise for your wrist? My wrist is still stiff. Thanks
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thank you for posting this. 5 days post surgery and still so many questions but great to see views from down the road. Cant wait to get back fishing!!!
Good luck!
Thanks, Jack for the info... I just had my surgery 3 weeks ago and I'll admit I was scared at first but it was a huge success! And it's healing nicely
Glad to hear your recovery going well - best of luck to you!
Thank you so much for this video. I’m a division 2 college athlete, football player. This past Saturday my wrist was dislocated after being tackled and trying to brace myself. Today I found out I had to have this surgery and it bothered me. I’m appreciative for this video because I’ve never had an injury this severe.
Im 19 ım having this surgery on my left wrist. and TFCC surgery on my right after that heals. ruled out for a year. Stay strong
Sorry to hear of your injury. The good news is you are young and an athlete. I would imagine if you have same injury and surgery as I did, if your rehab goes well ( no reason it wouldn’t) you would be good to go for Spring practice. Hopefully sooner! Good luck!
Thanks for the vid Mr. I literally am against to threat of not being able to do sports again. I have both tfcc tears in wrists and scapholunate tear in the şeft one. My wrist is so unstable it cracks everytime amd Im pretty sure it is deforming. I hope with these surgeries I will get some relief
@@doruktanyolalan513 Hey buddy.
Sounds like you are going through the same compound injury as I am. I'm a Chiropractor and I need to move people around whole day. That's scaring me too. Did you make it back to sports? Even if not at the same level, have you regained your confidence to get back out there? Also, who treatment did you go for? Do you still have that feeling of instability, pain, loss of range of motion?
Thanks for the video Jack, rather than putting my own video up on RUclips I thought I'd use this link should you or anyone else wish to comment on as it seems very popular with people with the same injury. I live in the UK, I had a complete tear to my SL two year ago during boxing training. I put up with injury until now but was concerned about developing arthritis due to the instability of the joint. It was affecting my golfing and certain types of fitness which i thoroughly enjoy. Had the surgery done 5 weeks ago with the top hand and wrist surgeon Mike Hayton at the Spire in Manchester using the Brunelli Procedure. Just had cast removed yesterday and now in a splint. Will keep everyone updated on my rehab.
Good luck Gaz on a quick and full recovery!
Regarding the Brunelli procedure the surgeon harvested part of the tendon in my forearm whilst keeping it attached the rest of the tendon allowing blood supply. This was then inserted through the scaphoid and the lunate bone before being anchored. No pins were used, I was put in a splint for 14 days then a cast for a further 4 weeks. I am now at week 8 since the operation and going through rehab. The only discomfort I have is when I'm increasing the ROM which is expected.
Hi Gaz, I’ve just recently had the same surgery with Mr Hayton too lol. I’m just wondering how long it took for you to notice an improvement in your ROM after the cast was removed? Hope everything is good now!
Hi everyone. I am planning to have the surgery as well. How did you do in your recovery. Please answer as this is crucial to me. Thanks
@@gazproctor1757 @bennyboy7624 Gaz and Ben, you both did the drilling and anchoring procedure, were casted and went through rehab; how are you both doing now? Any symptoms remaining? What about limitations in your normal daily activities? How far can you push the wrist now before you notice any limitation? I'm considering this procedure for myself now. I had a horrible bike crash and landed hard on both my hands 4 months ago. Until now I have clicking and feeling instability on the left more than the right. Though both sides have an injury on the TFCC, it's the long-term laxity and degenerative changes that I'm scared of. Especially because I want to continue being a Chiropractor for another 25 years.
Jack, thanks for putting together your videos, very helpful. I had full tear scapholunate surgery on Aug 30 and getting pin removed October 11th. For me, pain is not bad, but the confinement of the hard cast has been the most difficult thing to endure. Can't wait to get the pin out so i can start the rehab process. I've gone back to watch your videos many times and it's also helpful to hear others stories like mine. Cheers! Paul Rathkamp
Thanks Paul - I vividly recall the "countdown" to getting pins removed. Best of luck with the pin removal and rehab!
Hi Jack. Getting pin out in 5 days. Will have a soft splint for a week after that and then i start hand therapy twice a week for a few months. Like you, I can't wait to get back into the gym and starting working on flex/strength. Could you share some of the exercises you did in the gym as you were starting out? I'll probably steer clear of free weights too for awhile. Thanks.
Paul
Hi Paul - good luck with pin removal. When I went back to gym, I focused on compound movements on machines (bench/incline press, military press, cable rows, vertical pulls, etc.). My basic rule of thumb was to do what didn't make my wrist feel uncomfortable. My grip strength was really bad for first week or two. I added in pushups using dumbbells after a couple weeks, then added dips a little later. Free weights slowly made their way back into my routine as my wrist felt better. I wore a brace for the first 2 months back at gym . . . then dropped it at around 10 weeks. 10 weeks from pin removal for me was the milestone date where I could perform every exercise I used do pre-injury. I am now 7 months from initial surgery . . . . my range of motion is good, but certainly not what it was originally. I still have some stiffness in my fingers in the morning and when I make a fist, I imagine that may not go away at this point. Hope everything works out for you when you get back in action, let me know how you make out. Jack
Hi laura i did the same surgery but i still have pain after 6 weeks ... when did your pain stopped
@@laurarathkamp3352 hi, how are you know?
Just wanted to say thank you - after reading many horror stories this was reassuring that it’s not all bad!
Thanks Michael - there are definitely success stories out there . . . glad to be one of them!
@@jackharding144 hi Jack, I was searching RUclips and came across your story (part 2). Been a year since anyone posted so understand if no reply. I went backwards on my wrist 7 weeks ago playing tennis and hit pretty hard. Thought it was just a break but now realise I have a partial tear to a ligament. At the moment I can’t bend my wrist back hardly at all and forward about 20 degrees if I’m lucky. Can’t straighten fingers, swollen etc. In rehab now but will be seeing a hand surgeon and suspect I will need similar surgery to yourself but I was wondering if you had similar hand restrictions as me after your injury (not sure how you did yours)? I am really worried that I won’t get any further movement than I have now so looking for some hope that I can get more movement I guess. I really went down on my wrist with a lot of force so really afraid my injury is not fixable. Thanks for your time, I live in South Australia by the way so the other side of the globe.
@@andrewmee8136 Hi Andrew - I still get a lot of questions on my 2 videos on SL tear and respond frequently. On my wrist injury, I hurt it lifting weights and at first it was a subtle pain that grew worse over the course of a month or so. When I went to the Dr. they did x-ray and MRI and confirmed the tear. I didn't have the loss of range of motion or finger pain when I hurt it, only increasing pain in wrist. Wish you luck in your recovery!
@@jackharding144 Thanks Jack, yes mine seems a tad different to yours as mine was sudden and loss of range. Thanks for the reply.
Thanks Jack. I’m 3 weeks post-op. You answered some of the questions that I have and I appreciate you taking the time to share your experience. Also, my litmus test is pushups as well. 💪🏼
Good luck!
Thanks for the video. I get my pins out next Thursday. But I have 3 pins. Can't wait to get back to work. Good luck in your recovery.
I have 3 pins.. still in a full cast.. How are you now?
I wanted to thank you for your two videos on this surgery. I injured my wrist on May 1, 2022 E-Foiling and it's a full tear of the Scapholunate Ligament and it's been very painful. Just finished talking to my surgeon today and she said I will never be able to do a push up flat again. I thought that was pretty disappointing because I love doing push ups. So seeing this video really gives me hope. I"m an avid soccer player and surfer so thank you so much for putting these videos together it's very positive.
Hi - sorry to hear about your injury. I certainly can't speak for your specifics, but I have had no problem doing pushups . . . still do 100 every day. So I hope post surgery you can get back fully 100%. Best of luck to you!
@@jackharding144 Thanks Jack was your injury a full tear of the ligament?
@@mslrefoils Yes, 100% tear. The entire process (surgeries, recovery/rehab) took about 4 months to have a functional wrist again, but was 100% worth it. As I've said on other responses to questions, these days I literally have to "think" for a second to recall which wrist I hurt. Best of luck!
@@jackharding144 Amazing your giving me a lot of hope buddy. Thank you very much 🤙
@@mslrefoilshey, i did a similar surgery 4 days ago and i need to ask, how’s your update on the pushups?. I mean i also loved doing pushups and working out in general. And I’m worried i will never be able to do them again especially as I’m still 16 yo. Sorry to bother🙏🙏
Omg, so straight to the "T". Seeing my scar was the part that had me in tears. But you are so right about it all. I get my pin out tomorrow, can't wait.plus it's my dominant hand. I am miserable.
But thank this was helpful for the next steps to my recovery, as I was wondering about the pins and how they were gonna remove them.
Good luck to us both and those who are in recovery or about to do their surgery.
Teishalee Hemmings Good luck with pin removal!
How doe the wrist feel now? Just had my pins pulled a few days ago and wrist is a little sore
@@jackharding144 I am 7 months out of surgery. Still sore and range of motion is limited. Just wondering your soreness level?
@@ConstitutionJedi Hi James - my current soreness level is zero . . . I am 2 years post surgery and wrist is good as new. My range of motion never returned fully 100%, but it is pretty close. Best of luck!
Hi i did the same surgery and just removed my cast two days ago and doing PT in home , what is the time from your intial injury to surgery ? And how much is ypur gap
Hi Jack
Thank you so much for the video as I had the same surgery 5 months ago exactly 5 months, as I had surgery in September 2022.
There are 2 differences procedures wise from your surgery
1. My case used the torn ligament to join together as the doctor said, there was torn ligament left when he opened my wrist.
2.The doctor never said the pin needed to be removed, but I heard you had the pins removed.
Now the result after 5 months.
I have really hard time bending my wrist inwards (I think your inwards direction progressed less than outwards as well) however my inwards direction is about 45 degree which I think is too low. Outwards 60+ which I am less worried about.
More over, I can't go back to play Table tennis, after a few smashes I will have to stop playing as the pain is evident similar to before surgery, I can only play blocking also I can only do light weight trainings. Meaning, actively using wrist is still not at all close to normal. I asked the doctor and everytime he said I am overly anxious, it is normal that I shouldn't expect to be normal. This makes me really sad. And I don't know what to do. If you can suggest. Please
May i know how do you do your rehab, to get the wrist movement back. The angle I mean.
And if you can suggest anything to make things better. BTW, I am from Thailand I hope my English doesn't make you confuse.
Thanks in advance Jack
Thanks you for specifically sharing your progress with push-ups and pull-ups. I am a rock climber (this was one of many injuries from a major climbing fall) and have already been resting for 10 weeks while recovering from a fractured skull and C1-- I'm dreaming of the days that I can do pull-ups and push-ups again!
Wow Katherine, hope you are recovering from your fall, very scary. Best of luck to you with your surgery, I'm sure you will be fine. Pull-ups and push-ups are my favorites so it was important for me to get those back in the routine. I am 2+ years since my surgery and my wrist is like I never had an injury. Good luck to you!
Katherine, how did your recovery go? I'm also a climber and worried about my mobility and ability to climb and do hand balancing work post surgery.
Hi Katherine. Your accident was major. The recovery process must be long and ardeous. Can you share your story a bit more? How are your hands now? Was the recovery of your wrist complete? Does regaining function in your hand contribute to your overall recovery? Where are you stuck?
I’m having the same surgery at the end of the year.
I’m a 40 year old Law enforcement officer that is super active. Gym 4/5 times a week. Outdoor activities 6 days a week. I haven’t been able to do push up in a couple years and I’ve been worried about my range of motion. Thanks for the post op video. Very informative.
Good luck with the surgery . . . 5 years post op and I'm still banging out 100 pushups a day, no issues with wrist
@@jackharding144 this really helped me with the anxiety I’m having. I love to work and workout
@@clean0884 Thanks - glad the videos are helping. FYI, my youngest son is a police officer, appreciate what you all do every day. Thank YOU!
@@jackharding144 god bless him. I’ll keep you posted post op.
3 weeks post op currently in a hard cast. The surgeon went with the ANAFAB technique. Very interesting and different from the one you went through. They have some good videos on you tube.
Hi Jack. Thank you for posting both videos. My fiance just found out that he has s scapholunate ligament tear and will require surgery. This puts me at ease as he too loves going to the gym but the injury wasn't during a workout. He lost his footing at work and fell breaking his fall with his hand. Mind you he's 6'2 and weighs about 250lbs. But thank you so much for the videos. Hope you are doing better.
Hi - hope everything goes well with your fiancé. I am 4 years removed from my surgery and my wrist is all good. In fact I have to think for a moment to recall which wrist I hurt. Good luck!
Thanks for your videos. I’m in the UK and had my surgery just over 3 weeks ago. I had quite a bit of swelling. But the worst thing is the pins & needles sensation on the top of my hand. It’s very uncomfortable.
I’m a paramedic and l do worry about getting back to work and carrying out my full range of duties like CPR etc.
Your video has gave me confidence in getting back to normal.
Take care.
Terry
Terry Short Thank Terry - good luck with recovery.!
Hi Terry.
I'm a Chiropractor. Did you get back to work alright?
Two days ago I was told I need this surgery. Was told that it's pretty shit for someone that's active. I injured it coaching boxing and they initially missed the tear. 18 months later a new doctor saw the tear and has given me this option or an option to fuse it. I'm glad you have been able to get back to the gym and especially the golf range as GOLF is my life so I'd be lost without that.
Thanks for the videos
Ryan Mead Hey Ryan, in one of the comment threads to either the first or the second video, a couple of boxers suffered this injury and had some comments going. May be helpful. I remember my doctor telling me if I didn’t get the surgery, then I would likely need to get it fused at some point in the future. For me, it was pretty much a no brainer. Wish you the best of luck
@@jackharding144 yeah well I don't think I'll be boxing again it's too much of a risk p,us I'm 37 now time to retire from that. Just annoyed it's been 18 months since injury as first doc missed it which is crazy. I just hope I can get back to playing golf as I'm a scratch player and it's pretty much my escape. Glad it's all gone well for you. I've had two knee reconstructions and that hasn't stopped me playing professional sport so I'm determined to not let this defeat me.
Ryan Mead You’re still pretty young and an athlete so I imagine you will have no problems with recovery. I am able to play golf now as if the injury never happened, so I’m sure the same is in store for you. Best of luck
@@jackharding144 thanks mate ill post my updates here.
Hi Jack, thank you for your video.
I am currently 10 weeks post surgery. Full tear of the SL. Using a harvested tendon from my FCR.
I am currently working hard on getting my range of motion back, it feels very slow and hard to see and feel the improvements. I have a great occupational therapist that is keeping me on track.
good luck man, they where going to do that with me but luckily found they could repair it without. I've got 2weeks before my cast comes off and pin out. I wish you luck on your journey
Hi, I just recently had my cast off from the same surgery, I’m just wondering how your range of movement is now? Like you say I’m struggling to notice any improvement at this moment in time.
Thanks. Been diagnosed with the same thing. Right now I am in denial about needing surgery.
Sorry to hear it Eric - if you elect the surgery it is a tough road, but in my opinion absolutely worth it to have a normal wrist back. Good luck
It really depends on the surgeon and recovery process. I had a total failure of all dorsal, arthrex tri-anchor Brunelli procedure w/index tendon graft and 6wk pin thru to caputate 8/20. The pain never subsided, the equipment failed and SLL gap of 5cm pre-surgery was 6cm 8/21. 10/21 different surgeon removed all hardware, performed 4-corner plate proximal row fusion w/scaphoid excision. 5 pins removed 12/21 (one was broken at base plate). Fusion mass technically successful, but pain never subsided to manageable levels during activity. Physical therapy was not successful in managing pain. Wrist instability and pain persisted throughout entire recovery/rehab period. Acute activity-based discomfort significant and notable loss of RoM and grip strength. total removal of plate and screws 10/23 with ulnar osteotomy with 3rd surgeon. One screw had broken from the plate and migrated down wrist nearly 2-inches ~9/23. Screw fragment protruding from ulnar side of wrist and nearly breaking thru skin by the surgery 10/23. All hardware: plate, screws, etc removed. Ulnar bone shaved down to attempt to re-align into socket. (3rd surgeon). First month recovery was excellent and pain reduced to lowest since initial injury 5/5/20.
Ulnar joint has since slid from socket again and functionality regressed. Joint displacement is obvious and progressively worsening. Pain is increasing with worsening ulnar displacement. Likely to require/undergo total wrist fusion in near future.
Perhaps a longer, slower, and more deliberately cautious approach towards rehabilitation and physical therapy immediately following my initial surgery might be the most likely place to have handled differently. Use of rotational gyroscopic ball designed for wrist strengthening and physical conditioning may have been detrimental in the initial healing process. The physical therapy and rehab program IS CRITICAL for recovery from this injury and any surgery. Balancing healing with rehabilitation is so, so, SO important and necessary when dealing with soft tissue injuries. Pace yourself and LISTEN TO YOUR BODY. Soft tissue repair takes time. If you push too much, too soon, or... BOTH... things can go from bad to worse before you even realize it
man this video makes so much more sense now that i’m 3 months and a week post surgery. my fingers and hand have gotten a lot better but still somewhat stiff. my biggest complaint right now is range of motion of the wrist. my “flex” of moving the wrist forward is like 5 degrees right now. still really really stiff. extension is a little better but nowhere near where you were at in this video with regards to both flex and extension. hoping i make some big gains over the next month 🤞
@@Mdecoursey1 Good luck, keep working on it!
are you improving?
Thank you for the two videos.i watched them the morning of surgery. I agree with you about the block but I had to see for myself. Unfortunately the pain was something I didn't believe would be as it was until the block wore off.
How are you?
Thanks, Jack! Had my surgery 8 days ago and your videos really helped my spirits and my understanding of the process.
Hi Stephen - you are in the toughest time right now no doubt. Best of luck to you and hoping for a quick recovery!
@@jackharding144 got my pins out on the 26 of June and started therapy that day. Your videos have been a great help. One question: When did you start hitting golf balls? I'm thinking of starting to putt and maybe chip. But I'm wondering if pushing for August 1 to be able to hit the driver and play golf regularly is possible? I, too, am working my hand daily, and keyboarding like crazy, which I think is helping me gain strength. Thanks again, Jack!
Stephen Zinone Hi Stephen, I know for me personally there’s no way I could’ve hit golf balls only five weeks after pin removal. Chipping and putting I could certainly see. But I seem to recall going at least two or three months until I went to the driving range and hit wedge through driver. And even after that first time, my wrist definitely felt it for a few days. I would definitely suggest checking with your doctor and getting his blessing. Best of luck, and hit ‘em straight
@@jackharding144 Thanks Jack!
Thank you Jack for this video. I injured my wrist about 5 months ago and going on 6th month. I finally went to see a hand specialist and confirmed that I sustained a SLAC injury that will require surgical intervention. I am 52 yrs old, highly active, a registered nurse, an avid outdoorsman, and a brown belt in juijitsu and trying to get my black belt. I was devastated to get the news today and I am so glad to see your journey from the start. You have no idea how uplifting this is for me and I appreciate your time it took for you to share your own personal experience. You gave me hope and lifted my spirits. My surgery is scheduled in two weeks. Thank you so much. Please provide an update. also how old are you. Thank you Jack.
Hi Chris- sorry about your injury. Given how active you are, it sounds like you will get through this with no problem. I attacked my physical therapy and recovery as if I was on a mission and it worked out just fine. These days, I really have to pause and think to remember which wrist I hurt. My wrist is fine, still lift weights and do push-ups/ pull-ups daily. I just turned 60 and was 56 when I had the surgery. You got this! Good luck!
@@jackharding144 Hi Jack--I just want to give you an update. I had the surgery October 14,2022. I got the pins removed two days ago and the doctor wanted a cast another ten days from when the pins were removed. I was taken aback how painfully stiff my wrist was and felt unstable. Next Friday 12/09/2022 will be the big day for the cast will be removed for good and will get a brace. extensive therapy will follow but PT therapy wait list is far away. any suggestions on hand wrist exercises and stretching? How is the pain now Jack. Again thank you for your video and you helped me get through the toughest part of my journey. God bless you
@@chriscorros3298 Hi Chris - glad to hear you are progressing. PT will give you lots of progressive exercises focusing on your fingers/wrist/grip strength and mobility, so good you are going to that. The other thing that was helpful in my case was working my wrist/fingers even on off PT days. In other words, I went to the gym probably 5x a week over and above PT once pins were removed, and the constant gripping/regripping of gym equipment did wonders in helping recover. I also kept a finger strength gadget in my car (purchased on amazon) that I would use all the time when driving. No pain whatsoever in my hand for many years now. Good luck!!
I'm week 5 post op and miserable. Your videos and comments are helpful and encouraging. I wish the best for anyone struggling with this injury/surgery.
Would you consider another update video. There are surely other people who will benefit if you do. I appreciate your time and thoughtfulness to share your experiences.
Hi - I've had several people ask for a final update video. The only reason I haven't done one is there isn't much to update, and I mean that in a good way. I am 2+ years since my surgery, and my wrist for the most part now is as if I never hurt it. My Range of Motion never got back to 100% of what is was pre-injury, but it is pretty close. My wrist does some clicking once in a while when I bench press, but only until it warms up. The biggest mental image I can related to you is that lately, I have to "think" and remember which wrist I hurt sometimes. Wish you best of luck in your recovery!
Jack Harding that is great to hear. Thank you
Thanks for this. I got my surgery date today and now have an idea what to look forward to
Hi lain i did the same surgery and just removed my cast two days ago and doing PT in home , what is the time from your intial injury to surgery ?
Thiird Eye I did it last September at work. I didn’t do anything except PT thinking that was enough until I got MRI which showed a tear so finally getting surgery. Not looking forward to spending summer in a cast but that’s how it goes
@@ibelltunes yep me too
But how long you waited before surgery
Hey Jack thanks a lot for the 2 videos. I had my surgery done in Egypt a year ago, we have here great surgeons but not so great physiotherapists. So can you please upload a video of what routines you did for the therapy, because my recovery is not going so well in the range of motion part, but my strength is full recovered.
Thanks again.
Hi muhammed i did the same surgery and just removed my cast two days ago and doing PT in home , what is the time from your intial injury to surgery ?
@@thefuturehI had my surgery done after a year from my injury
@@mohamedel-mamlouk7574 same as mine ... do the pain go away because i still feel it on the scahpoid and how is your range of motion ?
@@thefutureh yes the pain will take some time about 2 weeks or so, and my range of motion is about 85%. but the pt is the most important part of this process, you have to do it as soon as you get the cast off. If you dont do it properly you will not be fully recovered, and by the way it takes time about 6-2 month so be patient. and read a lot about your injury.
@@mohamedel-mamlouk7574 thank you mohamed ... what was your range of motion when you took the cast off plus moving from side to side ? And last question how much is your gap between scaphoid and lunate ?
Hey mate Thankyou for this information. 20 weeks ago I noticed pain lifting anything occurring in the scapholunate which I didn’t know it was at the time. 3 days ago I did an MRI and have found I’ve torn all 3 components of the ligament so I’m waiting to see a hand surgeon on the 16th of Jan. Fingers are crossed my recovery is like yours
Hey sorry to hear - good luck if you get the surgery
@@jackharding144 how has your hand recovered and how soon were you able to benchpress again? And if so what weight is possible?
@@becomemoreeveryday Wrist recovered nearly 100%, to the point of I have to "think" for a second these days about which wrist I hurt (my surgery was 4 years ago). My range of motion never returned 100%, but is pretty close. I started lifting again immediately after my pins were removed. Very light/easy at first, no free weights or dumbbells. Regarding benchpress, I used machines exclusively at first with light weight, then progressed eventually to free weights. My wrist is able to handle same weights now for bench using either bar or dumbbells.
@@jackharding144 Thankyou for your reply mate.. Surgeon has left it up to me whether I go with surgery or rehab and try to live with managing the injury via rehab. I’m hoping the non surgical route is wise. Any thoughts?
@@becomemoreeveryday For me, it was an easy decision. After I hurt my wrist, I continued to lift for about 5 or 6 weeks, thinking it would get better and I would just deal with the pain. Instead it got progressively worse. At that point I went to Dr., who said if I chose not to have surgery and live with the pain, rehab wouldn't "fix" the tear and I would likely have to get wrist fused in the future. So given my lifestyle, surgery was my decision, and to get it done as quickly as possible. My timeline was hurt wrist in late December, dealt with pain until February, surgery in mid March, pins removed late April and immediately into rehab and light lifting. Able to do full weight pull-ups around 6 weeks after pins out, pushups at 10 weeks, and fully back to all free weights / dumbbell exercises around 3 months after pin removal. There was normal stiffness in wrist and fingers for probably ~6 months after surgery, but eventually it went away. Again, for me, surgery was the best decision and something I've never regretted.
Thanks for the video! I’m looking forward to watching the pin removal process
Wow it s amazing that you are able to hit golf balls... I have hit a tree with golf club 2 weeks ago, and sprained my left wrist and still painful to even just to hold the club. Seems like I can't seed to bear the weight of the club. So distressed. Just waiting for the time to pass and healed completely so then I can swing and go golf without any pain.
Thanks for the video. I just found it. I had my pin pulled 2 weeks ago, and im doing good on my stretches. Little by little everyday. Range of motion was not a problem for me, but it does get sore at the end of the day.
I love to work out, and that was a big fear of mine. Not being able to lift free weights again. But now i know just to give it a little bit more time.
Thank you so much. It was very helpful!
Hey Willie - good luck in your rehab. I'm now approaching 3 years since my surgery and I have to think twice about which wrist I hurt . . . it is completely back to "normal", only exception being slightly reduced range of motion.
Hi! Like many others, I came across your video when trying to decide to have the scapholunate repair. I had mine done about 10 weeks ago but with Internal Brace system which does not use pins. I was very thankful to not have pins. I’m about 60/60 on flexion and extension. I’m still pretty sore and can’t bear weight over 3 lbs just yet but like you, I’m aggressively exercising my hand to get my ROM back. Strength will come. Thanks so much for your updates!
Glad to hear everything working out for you - best of luck!
Jacqueline, how did your mobility progress? Did they say you'd gain full mobility back?
OK!! I'm getting the surgery next Tuesday!! I'm hoping to be able to do most of my pole moves in 6 months. That's my goal. So, hopefully by February so I can compete at Pacific Pole Championships again in March of 2020.
Wish me luck!!
jennycreative1 Hi Jenny - best of luck! You got this, and you’ll be back in action in no time!
Jenny, how did your surgery go? Are you at full mobility? You seem like the mobility you'd require for pole is similar to what I require.
Thank you for your video! About 48 hours after surgery now. Had operation where they used a graft. No pins though.
The worst part is the intense pain and tingeling in the hand now post-op. I´m basicly clockwatching and waiting for the time that I can have my next dose of painkillers. LOL. I was in fact so worried about compartment syndrome due to these sensations that I went back to the surgeon twice, who assured me everything is fine. Your words and the other comments on this and the previous video sure helps alot. Only 7 weeks and 5 days left until the cast comes off! Wohoo!! :D
You are in the toughest part right now, hang in there …….. it does get better and worth it in the long run!
@@jackharding144 Thank you very much! Day 7 now and the pins and needles and nerval pain due to the cast are quite bad, but atleast no compartment syndrome according to the doctor.
How long did it take until you felt relativly painless?
@@mvpno1726 When it will be "painless" is a tough one. You will probably feel pain/stiffness/discomfort for several months, it just varies from person to person. The first month post surgery is the toughest, but it will slowly get a little better each day. Good luck
Thank you Jack for sharing your experience, just had my right hand done, was starting to get a little discouraged just because of the range of movement in my wrist, had the pin pulled out bout a month ago, I’m making progress in my fingers and hand just not a whole lot in my wrist
Hi Lonnie - I remember how slow progress seemed at times. Just hang in there and keep putting in the work to rehab/strengthen the fingers and wrist. I will get better! Best of luck
Thank you Jack, I had my surgery done two weeks ago and the pins will be removed in three weeks. I'm preparing myself mentally for the PT
You are welcome- if that is you playing on your channel, you will be back jamming soon. Very impressed!!
Thanks Jack... Disregard my question your first video... This video answer my questions.
I just had this surgery done the first part of it getting the pins in i just had it done yesterday and dang last night it hurt so badly medication did help though. I will get the pins removed in 6 weeks
You are in the worst part right now . . . hope you can get some sleep!
Thank you. I'm just over 4 months post op. Minor swelling at the site of the repair and still a bit if pain in extension in push-ups ect...
Hey Ryan . . . I had swelling for probably 4 - 6 months in my hand and fingers, took forever to get back to normal. Best of luck in your recovery!
Hi, thanks for the two videos. I injured my wrist about two weeks ago and ignored it (guy thing). Then over the next two weeks the pain increased to the point where I knew something was definitely wrong. Went to a clinic and they took x-rays and the radiologist noticed the SL "gap" indicating something was wrong. I will be seeing ortho within the next couple of days and will probably have an MRI. From everything I have seen on RUclips I will probably have the same surgery as you have had. I appreciate the information you put out in your videos so I know what to expect over the next few months. Thanks!
Don Eagan Hey Don - sorry to hear but 2 weeks delay visiting Dr. was better than me. I waited nearly a month. Good luck and hopefully it isn’t torn
Hi Jack! Wanted to thank you for taking the time to document and putting your story up. It’s so helpful mentally to see someone who has gone through something similar and had a successful outcome. I have a partial tear of the scapholunate ligament, but it’s not allowing me to do my exercises like push ups or burpees and any other push type exercise. Did not want to even consider surgery but seeing how I will not be able to do something I truly enjoy, I will be setting my appointment up to see the hand surgeon ASAP, I think that the surgery is inevitable if I want to return to prior level of function. How are you doing now? How long ago was your surgery? Thanks again for sharing
JC Hey JC - I think everyone has different levels of success with this. I definitely worked hard to get it back. I am now 18 months post surgery and honestly wouldn’t even know I had it now. No pain, no restrictions, etc. My range of motion is slightly less than what it once was, but to such a minor degree it doesn’t really even matter. Wish you the best of luck
Thanks for the video. Really helpful. I had partial tear 4 months ago and still reluctant to go ahead with surgery. Last appointment with PT yesterday and they said it’s not going to improve without surgery. Don’t know man🤯
Hey Ammar - I hear you, it is a commitment going with the surgery. In my case, Dr. said the same, and that it wouldn't get better without surgery. So I just got it done as fast as possible. Good luck!
Thanks for sharing. I am scheduled for SL recon work.
Hi dar
I did the same surgery and just removed my cast and want to ask you how often was your inital injury to surgery ?
Hey Jack, thanks so much for taking the time to make this video. I am having surgery in two weeks and not looking forward to it but your video has definitely helped me prepare. Thanks
Eric Topacio Good luck Eric
Hi eric i did the same surgery and just removed my cast two days ago and doing PT in home , what is the time from your intial injury to surgery ? And what is the gap in between ?
Thank you so much for this i had no idea whether i was doing okay. Three weeks post op 👍
Hey Denise - hope your recovery goes well!
Thank you for making this. I'm awaiting the same surgery here in the UK. It will be interesting to compare any differences between rehab and surgery method.
I'm pleased you can take your weight for push ups as not being able to weight bear is my frustration with this injury.
Hi sarah i did the same surgery and just removed my cast two days ago and doing PT in home , what is the time from your intial injury to surgery ?
@@thefutureh hi, I had a 2 year gap between injury and surgery. Unfortunately, the repair wasn't possible because of the time. So I've had the joint tidied up and nerves removed from the wrist instead. This has worked and I can now weight bear fully and back to rock climbing. Time from surgery to weight bearing etc, 2 months. Though 4 months to full mobility. I put in the work on home physio!
@@sarahnelson7534 ow wow am happy that you get back on track it realy gives me hope but what was name of your surgery , is it 4 courner fusion and whats your range of motion ?
@@thefutureh I couldn't have the fusion as the injury was too old for a successful fusion (NHS in UK wouldn't do it or it wasn't appropriate). I had the cartilage and ligament removed and a denervation of the interosseous?? nerve.
@@sarahnelson7534 fusion for arthritic wrists which was so old at injury ... people do it after 4 to 9 years of injury
Had my pins removed. The worst part of recovery is dealing with stiff hands and pain. I managed to keep moving my wrist and the pain has eased up. You should always used your hands to do daily activities to slowly get your hand back to working but takes time. I have issues however moving my wrist side to side.
Good luck with your recovery! Agree, the more you work your wrist/fingers the better off you will be
Am glad i found your video man i have my surgery this Thursday coming up from the same procedure you had... i dislocated my left wrist it was a pretty bad injury but i guess just like anybody am just nervous.. i am a nervous guy am afraid you know but with ur video it made me feel a lot more comfortable
My dad had to put metal on his wrist and removed it after a month. And he was able to even play golf after one year.
@@KYK07A i went through my surgery everything went really good thank god am back at work now... i dont have 100 movement on my wrist but am better like this rather then not having my hand at all
Thank you for the videos! I'm an avid motocross rider and gym nut so its been driving me crazy wondering how long before I may be able to get back into my regular routine, these videos gave me a good idea. I have another month before they take the pins out of my wrist so hopefully i can start building my upper body strength back up in 3 months. I also dislocated and fractured my shoulder at the same time as my wrist so I get to deal with two tough injuries at the same time.
Thanks Andrew - best of luck getting your wrist back. Very cool motocross videos by the way . . .
I have this surgery coming up this next month. Thank you so much for this video. In my case though It’s both my hands and both wrist filled with pins.
Good luck!
Same next month for me as well
Just wanted to say thank you for the videos. Now I’m kind of looking forward to getting it over with.
Hey Rudy, thanks for watching. Good luck with your wrist and recovery!!
So how’s it going now? My doctor told me they really don’t have a way to fix it kind of got me scared but my surgery date is Wednesday 25th. Kind of scared to do it. I drive a truck for a living it’s kind of hard on my hand tried to go to work with out the surgery done and it hurts like hell. I’m kind of worried on how it will heal. Just wondering what’s ur range of motion and strength with that hand?
I hurt my wrist at work, my scapholunate ligament is completely torn, I have to see a hand surgeon in the next few days. I'm in a brace now, I'm in a lot of pain I wish they would come on but I'm in a workers comp world.
Thanks for sharing such an experience
I have surgery in 2weeks wonder how long will I have to be out from work… so nervous but excited to get this fixed
Tough to answer . . . I work remotely and went back to work the next day for a few hours, but it was tough. Your wrist is in a lot of pain initially and you can't type at all with the hand/wrist. If I had to go into an office I think I would have taken the week off. But it will all be worth it I promise you when you get through it all. Best of luck to you!
Thank you very much for your video. I had the same issue, could you please recommend your doctor
@@lipingxie3061 Princeton orthopedics, Dr. Mark Lamb
@ thanks a lot
may i know how much does the surgery cost? Thanks
@@lipingxie3061 hard question to answer since the majority of the surgery was covered by insurance. I paid maybe 5k out of pocket
Hi Jack. Please make another video.
Where are you at now? How's your ROM and your ability to bear weight? How's your confidence compared to the non-injured side on a scale out of 10? Do you have any residual feelings of instability or clicking? Is there any pain or other symptoms remaining in the wrist and hand?
I'm going through this injury myself now. 4 months ago I came off my bike and hit the ground hard with both hands. My left wrist is feeling worse than the right. MRI shows a gap at the SL joint. My doctor is recommended me surgery as soon as possible but I waited to see the natural progression whilst taking conservative care and rehab. Results have not been as good as I hoped, whilst my ROM is nearly full, I get pain and stiffness due to swelling around the tendon sheets, associated with altered wrist mechanics, that feels like shooting painful and pulling in my thumb and hands. Overall conservative management has seen improvement in my symptoms, but it's not enough to come back to my work as a Chiropractor. Hence I will almost certainly be doing the procedure in the near future. I also have a tear on the TFCC.vi
What I'd like to know most of all is if the surgery has left you with any long-term consequences that affects your activities of daily life.
I thank you Jack.
Your previous videos have been a great source of support.
Hi - sorry about your injury . . . so the quick answer is 6 years post op, and I have to "think" for a second to remember which wrist I hurt. ROM is slightly reduced from prior to injury, but otherwise good as new. I hurt my wrist in late December of 2017, and I was hoping for it to heal, but pain continued to progress. After MRI and Dr. visits, my surgeon was pretty blunt stating that it would progress resulting in likely needing to fuse the wrist down the road. Given my high activity level, he recommended the surgery. So I scheduled it immediately after that Dr.'s visit (which was around 2 months after I hurt it). I committed to PT post surgery and immediately was cleared to resume light resistance training. For me definitely was without a doubt correct decision. Best of luck to you!
Thanks for sharing! How are things now 6 years later? I have aimilar injury with scapholunate volar and intraosseous components are torn. Recommendation is a Proximal Row Carpectomy which seems extreme. So, weighing my options and would like to know a bit more about your outcome. Thanks again!
Hi - 6 years later and I have to think twice to remember which wrist I hurt. Slightly less range of motion, but other than that good as new. Best of luck with your recovery!
Thanks. Very similar experience as you. I am 7 weeks pins removed. I too have some swelling still on bottom of hand like you and on top. Really appreciate being able to compare it with someone else who had same procedure.
Hi Lee, I'm 5 weeks post op and pins removed last week. My swelling is awful right now. How is your wrist now?
@@jennycreative1 Do you know why it is so swollen? The pin on the outside of my hand had gotten under the skin but not bad enough to need cutting to remove the pin. I will have to keep an eye out on swelling.
@@michellejensen7086 Yes, I remember 5 weeks being really swollen. It will be rough for another couple weeks.
I'm doing very well. I'm 2 and a half years post-op and I still get stiffness in my wrist. So I do PT on myself every day and keep it moving. Cold weather really makes it stiff too, as well as long hours at the computer. However, I can do all the things on the pole that I want to do. There are things that I'll just do on one side, but I've always been like that with a few moves. I really can't do hand stands or pushups! Oh well. LOL
Here is a 2 year post-op follow up video on my progress ruclips.net/video/4j1fWTm1WTQ/видео.html
I wish you the best. You'll feel better soon!!
Thankyou so much, l get my pin out tomorrow and this puts my mind at ease 🙌
Good luck Hannah
Can you make a video now of your hand after so many years I want to see your range of motion. I’m removing my pins after two weeks. I want to know how my future looks. Please just make a video moving your hand back-and-forth. Maybe give me some push-ups in that video too.
Hi - thanks for watching. A video would probably be overkill, since my wrist quite simply is good as new. Have slightly less range of motion, but other than that, I have to think twice to remember which wrist I hurt. Still workout nearly every day and it holds up just fine. Best of luck!!
Hi Jack. It's Paul Rathkamp again, logging in under my son's id now. I had my pin removed 4 days ago and have just begun hand therapy. I'll be in a velcro brace for several weeks now - much better now that the cast is behind me. it seems my recovery experience is going to be a bit different than yours as they don't want me to do anything except flexibility exercises for the first few weeks (no strength). They believe that I still need to give the donor tendon time to strengthen its bond with the scaphoid and lunate bones and strengthening would stress it too much. Like you, I'd like to go gang-busters on my recovery so this is a little disappointing to me - i have my first post op in 2 days so i'll ask the doc about it then. I don't have nearly the swelling that you reported, other than my forefinger is swollen and feels a bit numb as a result. I'm told that should resolve within the first 12 weeks. Did you feel any numbness in your hand/fingers? I have a number of flexibility exercises to do - mainly for my fingers and just one right now for the wrist. I'm told they will slowly add more flex exercises in the coming weeks.
Hi Paul - great to hear your progress. You are definitely fortunate not to have the swelling. I finally went and had my wedding ring resized 7 months after my initial surgery . . . got tired of waiting. I don't recall any numbness in my fingers. How long did you have the pins in?
I just had one pin and it was in for 6 weeks. After removal i was in a soft splint for one week. I am now 7.5 weeks post surgery and 1.5 weeks post pin removal. Will be wearing a velcro brace for the next several weeks. I just started doing hand therapy at the 7 week post surgery mark and just going very slow at their urging. From what i gathered, you were cleared to get after your recovery in a much more aggressive way. I'll see the doc in 2 days for my first post op and will ask him about for his views on it too.
Interesting . . . I was 6 weeks with 2 pins. But yes, I was cleared to begin right away with therapy and gym. But every case is different and I'm sure your Dr. has his reasons for taking more conservative approach. Best of luck!
October will be 3 years since I had my surgery. I never have to question which wrist I hurt. It goes numb when I am laying on my left arm in bed. My range of motion is still limited. Before surgery I could do 400 to 500 push-ups a day, it was painful but tolerable. Now its too painful to do any. I'm glad your surgery was a success but I feel i was better off not getting the surgery.
Really sorry to hear that. At the time of my injury, my pain was getting progressively worse. My doctor said I could do nothing, but would likely need to have wrist fusion years down the road. Truly wish you luck and hope it gets back to normal
hi Jack- I am a local based on your hat and shirt! May I ask who you saw? I am still trying to figure out best plan of action as I have a tfcc tear as well...You sound great and so good to see a positive result! Lisa
Hi Lisa - Go Boro! I went to Dr. Marc Lamb at Princeton Orthopaedic. He was great, And was spot on with setting expectations and prognosis, highly recommend him.
Thank you for sharing your experience. I’m scheduled to have this surgery in 3 days. Like you, weight lifting is a huge part of my life. I’ve gone so far as to rig a home gym that circumvents the wrists. Your videos have certainly given me hope that I’ll be able to recover and resume physical activity after a reasonable amount of healing time, for that, I thank you. How is your wrist currently doing?
Hi Aaron - wishing you luck on your upcoming surgery. To put my current "status" in the best context, I rarely think of my wrist, and when I do I literally have to think about which one I hurt. The only exercise that I feel a difference on is flat bench during first set or two, then once warmed up it is fine. First couple of days after surgery aren't pleasant, hope you can get some sleep. Good luck!
Hi Jack,
Did your doctor tell you that the success rate is only 80%? Who did your surgery? I need surgery as well and today was told that there is a real chance that it might fail. I guess I'm wondering if this is normal or if I should look to get a second opinion. Thank you in advance.
Ben
Hi Ben - first and foremost, listened to some of your music and wow . . . you have an amazing sound . . . wish you best of luck with your career. Regarding success rate, I don't recall my Dr. putting a % on the surgery. He did tell me that if I did nothing, I would almost certainly need my wrist to be fused in the future at some point. Given my high level of activity, the Dr. seemed confident in the surgery. And I fully committed to rehab immediately after getting the pins out. And now 6 years later, I have to think for a second to recall which wrist I hurt. I know success rates depend highly on age and physical activity levels, and you seem to have both in your favor. Dr. Marc Lamb of Princeton Orthopedic in NJ (www.princetonorthopaedic.com) performed the surgery and was really fantastic. Best of luck to you !
Thank you for your thoughtful (and optimistic) response! I really appreciate it@@jackharding144 . Yes, I am very much active like yourself. Glad to hear you have fully recovered. Take care
@@jackharding144 Had my surgery done yesterday. Looks about the same as your hand in the first video. I was given screws in mine that apparently will come out after two weeks. I haven’t heard anything about a hard cast, but perhaps I wasn’t listening close enough. Rewatch ing your videos is helpful in seeing what lies ahead. I’m very anxious to get the screws out and start my physical therapy. Having one hand is extremely annoying as I’m sure you remember. Thanks again for the videos. -Ben
@@BenRue Hang in there - you are in the toughest period right now. Best of luck with your recovery!
Hello Jack, thank you for your sharing. Could you share with us how are your wrist now after 2 years?
Hi - wrist is doing great these days . . . like it never happened to be honest. I have to stop and think about which wrist I hurt. Slightly diminished range of motion, but no pain or popping noises, etc.. I have been very fortunate, as I know not everyone has same positive outcome. Good luck!
@@jackharding144 I had surgery oct 2019. I lost some motion which is expected. 1 year 4 months after surgery and I still cannot do push-ups cause of the pain. Does this seem right?
@@ConstitutionJedi Hey James - I know everyone is different in their levels of recovery. If you watched my video you saw I was pretty aggressive with my rehab. As soon as my pins came out, I was cleared to start working out lightly. I had to wear a brace for a while, but started doing pushups using dumbbells, holding them with the ends pointing to 12 and 6 o'clock if that makes sense. Over time, I worked my way to having the dumbbells pointing towards 9 and 3 o'clock. Eventually, I stopped using dumbbells (and the brace) and was able to do normal pushups. Is the pain in your wrist caused by the bending to do a pushup, or the weight of your body?
@@jackharding144
Jack, I live in SE Michigan and am looking for a doctor for this. If you are anywhere near me, would you recommend your doc? If you live somewhere else, no worries. Thank you!!
@@k79311 Hi - my surgery was in New Jersey..... best of luck!
where was your pain after the injury in relation to your wrist? I mean on top on the side ect. I am pretty sure I tore something in my wrist on the ulnar side . But I can move my hand in all directions.
I'm going through the exact injury. I just went through op and in the 1st few days of the cast. Weeks and weeks of recovery phase just cause of this injury.... Hais.. But it's encouraging to see that you are doing well.
Looking forward to more updates!!!
Do share some personal tips if it aids in recovery :)
My biggest tip would be as soon as you get pins out and Dr.'s approval, immediately begin rehabilitation. I also immediately went back to the gym after my pin removal . . . . so between going to rehab/therapy twice a week, and going to the gym 5 times a week, I was working my wrist and fingers every single day. It took a while but you will be back to "normal" in no time!
hey Sam. I had the same surgery and am now 3 days from pin removal. Best of luck to you in your recovery!
Paul
@@jackharding144 sorry I didn't catch your reply I'm watching your video again outside the operation room. I'm about to get my pins removed!!! I have exams in 3 days. Can't wait to get my exams over with and start recovery!!!
If you can share some hand physiotherapy exercises that would great. In case my doctors didn't include them. Any good recovery food or supplements?
Any particular routines to get the wrist and hand back to normal?
@@laurarathkamp3352 thanks Paul!!! How are you now?
Hi Sam. I'm now 10 weeks post surgery and have been doing PT for 3 weeks. My doc wanted me to go much slower than Jack's doc for some reason, so i've mostly been working on flexibility and have only just begun doing a little finger strengthening over the past week. I've got about 55 degrees flex in one direction and 30 degrees in the other which is pretty good and i'm happy so far with that progress. Surgery was on my left wrist which is my dominant hand - i can now cut my steak, brush my teeth, put on clothes all using that hand. My forefinger is still swollen and a bit numb - hoping that goes away at some point. And my wrist is still somewhat swollen too. Do you have a hand therapist to go to? That has been extremely helpful in guiding my recovery. I feel that i've still got a long ways to go, but on the road. Congrats on getting your pins removed. That's a huge step.
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Hey Jack - me again, lol. Went for a 2nd opinion this morning, not so much to hopefully hear something different, moreso bc I think it's the doc that I want to do the surgery. Yeah I’d say he was a tiny bit more in the grey area (versus 1st doc I saw) about the need for surgery, but we went through the pros and cons of surgery and ultimately with me being 45, he still thought surgery was the way to go. But he said it was a commitment post surgery, long recovery, etc. As I'm sure you are all too familiar with.
If I was north of 60 then he said maybe he would opt to hold off on surgery and then just deal with lesser involved surgeries down the road if/when the arthritis develops. Which he said would be pretty likely if left untreated. Quick question for you - my 1st doc said 2 months in cast post surgery and this latest doc said 3 months in cast post surgery, was wondering what it ended up being for you?
So I just went back and looked at my calendar from that year. My surgery was on March 20, spent first week postop in a splint, waiting for swelling to go down, then had hard cast put on March 27. Went to see the doctor every two weeks thereafter to have cast removed, x-rayed, then put back on. Second surgery to remove the pins was on May 3. So I was in a soft cast for one week, then hard cast for about five & 1/2 weeks. After pin removal, was in a splint for probably about three or four weeks as I remember. For what it is worth, my doctor knew my lifestyle, and based on that ( and me being very active) he strongly recommended surgery. I was 55 when I had the surgery, and six years later, can’t even remember which wrist was operated on :-). So for me, it was absolutely the right call to get the surgery. Everyone is different, hope your final decision works out best for you and your lifestyle.
@@jackharding144 Thanks for that context, it is very helpful and appreciated. Was it your dominant arm? Luckily for me it's not, and I play a lot of tennis and pickleball and fortunately don't have to use the left arm a lot, lol. BTW - looks like my surgery is tentatively scheduled for Mar 21st, we might miss each other by a day lol
@@Mdecoursey1 Same here- injury was on my non dominant hand. And I just looked when I made that second video where I’m wearing the red shirt; that was July 30. So it took me four months from initial surgery to being probably 95% “back” in action.
Hi Jack. I see that you are very happy with your recovery and that gives me hope as well. 8 months ago I had a motorcycle accident and tore my scapholunate ligament. I have recovered 80 of extension (same as my good hand), 80 of flexion (I have 85 in the good hand, I hope to recover the 5 degrees that I lack), radial movement is fine and finally in ulnar movement I am sad because I lack 10 degrees approximately and I can not improve (in the good hand I have 40 and the bad 30 approximately).
Do you think I can improve a little more? by the way, the STIFFNESS is pretty horrible. Does it go away with the years?
Thank you very much and greetings.
Hi - not sure if I replied already or not, but stiffness does eventually go away. Regarding range of motion, I never fully got back to what I was pre surgery, but I am pretty close. And the last 5 - 10 degrees are not impacting anything in my daily activities. Best of luck!
Very good video and advice....
Great videos. Thank you. There’s not a lot of information on partial tears. I tore the volar fibers but have preservation of the dorsal fibers. Obviously the dorsal are the stronger of the two and the only one that they bother repairing / reconstructing. I’m still being recommended for surgery with a repair being the most likely situation, and possible reconstruction. I’m a little over 6 weeks out from the injury. Have you come across any videos of people talking about partial tears, i.e. repairs of the dorsal fibers?
Hi Ryan - haven't really read anything on partial tears. Best of luck!
@@jackharding144 I had only a partial tear and they did surgery. Pins were removed yesterday and I am scared; I have almost no ROM.
@@michellejensen7086 Hi Michelle - if you had the surgery than the toughest part is behind you (the first 24 - 48 hours of recovery). ROM will come back slowly, but it will come back. Best advice I can offer is to work the wrist/fingers every single days, even days you don't go to any PT. You may have seen my response to other questions from folks, but I am 3 years since my surgery and I literally have to stop and think about which wrist I hurt. You will get it back! Good luck in your recovery!
This video was very helpful appreciate that. Can you tell me what kind of stretches and exercises did you do on a daily basis?
Thanks again.
Hi - during my rehab sessions, I was doing lots of touching thumb to other 4 fingers, picking up marbles, hand grip tool, hand maze, etc.. Definitely google therapy exercises and there are tons of videos on this. Much easier than me trying to explain typing. Good luck!
Thanks a lot for your reply that is very helpful. How often would you use the hand maze and hand grip tool a day?? Im concerned about using it too much or too little causing more damage. Thanks again
SPACE FLAN I would definitely check with your doctor, but for me I worked my wrist every single day. I went to the gym probably five times a week, went to physical therapy twice a week, and had my grip strength hand tool at my desk that I squeezed pretty much all day long. I would also use the grip strength tool in the car while driving. I found the more you worked your wrist and especially your fingers, the better off you will be.
Very helpful in further understanding the process. Went to see doctor today and indication is tear of the schapholunate. Doctor indicated that I could do nothing and live with the pain that is only there during certain activities and which may or may not improve over time. In your second video you indicated that you had some kind of choice in treatment - wondering what else you considered? I am leaning toward surgery since I am a golfer and do not think I will enjoy trying to play through the pain. Just wondering your thoughts. Also saw your VU shirt - I am a VU grad - tough year for the Cats.Thanks for any insights.
Hi Joe - NovaNation! I'm an alum ('85) and have a son there now in Junior year . . . great excuse to go back to campus frequently. During my consultation with my Dr. post X-Ray/MRI, he said I could live with it (no surgery) but it would likely get worse over time and potentially end up with needing to get my wrist fused. I waited nearly three months after my initial injury to see if it would get better/less pain, but it didn't and actually pain increased. For me it was a no brainer to have the surgery, as I wanted to remain active going forward. I am now 13 months post surgery and my wrist is completely back to normal . . . no pain or stiffness in either wrist or fingers. Haven't played a round of golf yet - course maintenance crews sending me thank you notes ;-) - but have gone to driving range with no issues. First round of year coming up soon. Best of luck to you and more than happy to answer anything else.
@@jackharding144 Jack, thanks for the prompt reply. I am alum 79 CHE - Campus has really changed over the years (so has the tuition). Fortunately or unfortunately for me my daughters choose/(are choosing - ones a senior in HS) other schools. Sounds like I got similar suggestions/info from my doctor on the do nothing option - guess I just wanted to hear if that was a consideration for you as I am of the same mind, I want to stay active and be pain free when doing so, so I was immediately leaning toward the surgery - but operations always come with risks and differing outcomes - this procedure seems pretty common and outcomes usually positive so wanted to hear your take on the do nothing option.
Weather finally cooperating for the golf - so have a great round when you get out there. Looks like mine will be delayed until next spring.
Thank you!
Thank you for sharing. I am a competitive obstacle course racer and have a full tear. I am in-between deciding if I should get surgery or not and this was helpful. I was told that I would be unable to weight lift or do burpees or push ups after surgery ever again. May I ask who performed your surgery and if you got multiple opinions?
Hi Jill - sorry about your injury. I had my surgery done by Dr. Marc Lamb at Princeton Orthopedics in Princeton NJ. I did not get multiple opinions, as I was comfortable with his recommendations which were very positive about my recovery post surgery. The Dr. did say if I did not get surgery, the pain would continue to increase and in time I would likely need to get my wrist fused . . . that alone was enough for me to get the surgery. Regarding your post surgery allowed activities suggested by your Dr., that is a bit surprising to hear. I was told presurgery that I should be able to return to all activities and my Dr. was absolutely correct. I was able to perform all activities (weight lifting, pull-ups, pushups, etc.) post surgery with no restrictions. My surgery was 4 years ago and my wrist has no issues whatsoever. Wish you the best of luck!
This gives me hope! Thank you so much for sharing your experience and giving me peace of mind. I am glad to hear you are doing well and able to resume all normal activities! There is not a lot of information out there on this injury so thank you again for the feedback and details regarding the surgery and recovery. :)
Thanks for the video. I have a full lateral tear and its not making life fun. My dr. Has said there is a significant chance i will have an additional decrease in mobility (already limited) post surgery . Im a tennis player so this is causing some anxiety. Tried the injection route and not helpful. Nice to hear your mobilty actually increased after.
Do you know what your mobilty measurement degrees were at prior to the surgery?
Hey John - just to be clear my mobility definitely did not increase after surgery. I could only compare my repaired wrist mobility against my good wrist . . . Post surgery my last extension measurement was 77 degrees (good wrist) vs 72 on repaired wrist, and it probably improved a little bit to get close to 77 degrees. The last flex measurement was 69 degrees on good wrist, and 45 on repaired wrist. The flex may have improved a little more since that last measurement was taken. The decrease in mobility hasn't limited me in anyway. For me the surgery was a no brainer as the pain was getting worse prior to surgery and limiting me in activities. No regrets getting it and honestly these days I have to think for a second to remember which wrist I hurt. Best of luck to you
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Thank you Sir. Good to hear. I need to get it done. Just concerned about an even further decrease in mobility. Just have to hit the pt hard I guess. Thanks again
Hi Jack. Thank you so much for this information. I just was diagnosed with the same 100% tear of all 3 ligaments in my wrist and will be having the same surgery. I just started a new job and wondering realistically when I can return to work which involves typing. How soon after surgery could you type on a keyboard comfortably? It’s not my dominate hand thankfully. Look forward to hearing back. Sandi
Hi Sandi - sorry about your injury. Regarding returning to work, your hand/wrist will be pretty useless for at least a week or two. I remember returning to (remote) work the next day and only lasting about an hour or so with discomfort. Typing was really impossible for me other than one handed typing. Your fingers will be in a lot of pain and will take some time to get back to normal typing. Probably not what you wanted to hear, and I hope your experience is faster than mine. Wish you the best of luck!
Thank you!!! This was really helpful because I could understand how much time I need to take off work.
Thank you for the video. How long time from the operation untill you could write by hand? I mean with a pen and write like an full A4. Perhaps you do not write much. I am asking because I will have an written exam at the University and wonder when it is realistic to think I can do that. I understand that it is individual. What was your experience?
Hi - the wrist I injured was my non-writing hand, but I don't think you will be able to write very well for several months after surgery. It just takes a while for your fingers to regain flexibility. Wish you luck!
Thanks for the reply.
Not sure if I made the right decision to have the surgery I underestimated the recovery time for sure and it is my dominant hand so I’ve been pretty miserable I get my pins out in 5 days so hoping things get better soon been having a lot of pain from the pins witch sucks
Jay - I obviously can't speak for your individual experience . . . the recovery time is significant no doubt. I only know that 4 years post surgery, I have to think about which hand I hurt to be honest. I'm glad I did the surgery, as I know my wrist was only getting worse and would have likely needed to be fused eventually if I didn't have surgery. Was totally worth it in the long run. Best of luck, it will get better I promise!
I’m starting my 8th week post op. Had cast and pin removed week 6. I have not officially started physical therapy yet as I’m waiting on scheduling from them/insurer. A friend who is a therapist has given me good beginning exercises to do at home. I’ve been working with these and I still have virtually zero flexon movement. I have maybe a few degrees extension and I feel like I have made ever so slight progress on that side, where as flexon seems completely immobile.
Did you have the same issues with wrist movement, how many weeks post op before you being to gain flexon and extension movements?
Thanks for posting the videos have watched them several times before and after surgery.
Hey Ross - your recovery sounds very different than mine so hard to compare "apples to apples" . . . after my pins were removed, I was immediately cleared for rehab and light gym/weights. And I took advantage of it, by going to therapy once a week, gym probably 4 - 5 times a week doing very light weights with machines, and home exercises with wrist/fingers each day while working from home. Improvements in flexon took time but they definitely came consistently with regular exercise/therapy. My second video (when I'm wearing red shirt) was filmed 11 weeks after pin removal, and at that point I had made great progress and was fully back to all activities. The flexon measurements I mention in the video were taken at around 7 weeks after pin removal, so sounds like that is right around where you are timeline wise. Best of luck to you in your recovery!
Thanks so much for putting this video out there. I'm curious while the pins were in and you were still in a hard cast I'm assuming any type of travel especially via plane was off the table? Do you have any idea what the recommended timeframe is to get the surgery after your injury? Just trying to figure out logistics based on some upcoming travel that was already planned. Any insights would be greatly appreciated
I injured my wrist in late December and had the surgery in mid March. That was really after a period of me waiting to see if it would get better on its own, followed by several doctor visits, MRIs, etc. Once the doctor told me it would not Get better, and actually would get progressively worse was when I decided to get the surgery ASAP. I did fly several times with pins in and cast on my wrist. Best of luck with your surgery and recovery.
@@jackharding144 oh wow, OK, that is great to hear, I thought traveling with the pins in your arm and being casted would be pretty cumbersome
@@Mdecoursey1 LOL, I mean it wasn't easy because you can't do much with your operated wrist. But, I did travel when I had pins in wrist and casted. Good luck!
@@jackharding144 Curious if you ever learned about this - might've come out right after your surgery - I met with a surgeon this morning that does the surgery a bit different - without the use of pins, just basically uses a stronger synthetic tape to repair the ligament to keep the bones together. Apparently this popular surgeon out of NY Scott Wolfe came up with it. Still about the same recovery and all that.
@@Mdecoursey1 I've heard from some people via RUclips who shared in their comments they had similar surgery without use of pins, so knew it was out there without really knowing any specifics. One of them commented on this right after my surgery if I remember correctly, so it was 6 years ago. She had good success from our conversations
Thank you for posting this video Jack. How did your hand feel after taking the cast off before removing the pins? You did say it was stiff but did you experience any dull pain? I’m certainly not in a lot of it but I wanted to see if the pain I’m experiencing is normal and due to the screw that’s in my hand.
The pain is normal as I remember, you will feel an immediate difference once the pins/screw come out. Good luck!
@@jackharding144 most if not all my pain is where the edge of my hand hand where the arthroscopic incision was. Does that sound similar to you?
Hi, Thank you for making this video. I'm really worried about my situation. I've just got the fiberglass cast, but I can't even straighten up my fingers. Since I still have the pins, I can't turn my wrist at all. Can you please give me some advice? Should I already search for some exercises? Thank you again!
If I understand, you just had hard cast on which means you are probably a week or two after initial surgery? If that is the case, don't panic! I didn't do any exercises while casted at all, because I couldn't even if I wanted to. I didn't start any rehab/therapy work until after the pins were removed. Wish you luck in your recovery!
@jackharding144 Yes, it's almost three weeks after my surgery, and my accident was on the 27th of April. My next appointment is at the end of June. The doctor said that the fracture happened at a very bad place on my wrist. He suggested seeing how the recovery goes before we set an appointment for the surgery to remove the pins. He's worried about me developing an SLAC wrist, which is a more advanced state of the scapholunate ligament issue you had. I'm a bit afraid. But thanks for your message. It helped me calm down a bit. Sadly, my wrist was broken in several places after a car accident, so it's a bit different from your situation. I was just amazed by your strength and dedication in your videos. Did you hear about this SLAC as well? I can move my fingers in the cast now, and I feel some improvement, but my biggest fear is that my wrist could be limited in mobility. It's very kind of you to try to give advice to every person in the comments section, even many years after.
@@sigyn_2759 Thanks, I know I had lots of questions when I had my surgery and not much was information was out there, so made the videos and glad they are still being helpful to anyone. I have never heard of SLAC wrist but just looked it up and read a bit about it. Best of luck to you in your recovery!
Great vids Jack, very thorough thanks for taking the time.
What was most effective therapy in your opinion?
I am 4 weeks post op. 2 weeks pins coming out. Looking forward to getting them out!!!
The physical therapy obviously helped . . . I went 2x a week for about 2 or 3 months. I will also emphasize that on top of therapy, I was going to the gym immediately. Grip strength is very weak initially, and constant gripping of gym weights/machines did wonders for bring back strength. Best of luck Layton!
Jack Harding I have been advised to hold off grip training and strength until my ROM improves in the wrist. Currently 10 weeks post op. 3 weeks since pins came out.
I can’t wait to start strengthening again however I do want to maximize my flexibility and range also.
@@FightXchannel DO THE THERAPY! I didn't and it was a bad decision
@@FightXchannel I got my pins out yesterday and have almost no ROM. Therapy will start in about two weeks but I hope to get on a bike trainer soon and see if I can spin at least. I can't hardly pick up anything yet either. So worried.
Hi mate. Had my surgery a week ago. Going back in to get my full cast ob Tuesday. Mind me asking at what point you returned to weight bearing exercises/gym? Video very helpful thank you.
Hi - just looked up calendar from when I had surgery . . . Surgery was on March 20, pins removed May 3, started rehab and back to gym both on May 10. My doctor cleared me immediately after pin removal to go to gym as long as I stuck to machines and very light resistance training. It took about 10 weeks from pin removal to be back to about 90 percent of gym activities. The gym work really helped in my rehab therapy sessions, as the constant gripping of weights in gym helped strenghen fingers and wrist. Best of luck with your recovery!
@@jackharding144 thank you appreciate the response. Quicker than I initially assumed so positive light at the end of the tunnel!
Make another video please.
Jack, I had the same surgery and I've not been as fortunate. I have lost a ton of strength in my wrist and still have a substantial amount of pain. I'm considering another surgery so I'd love to know who did your procedure. Thanks in advance.
Brad Fitzpatrick Hi Brad, sorry to hear recovery going slower than you like. For what it’s worth, I used Dr. Marc Lamb at Princeton Orthopedic Associates, located in Princeton NJ. Highly recommend him
Hi Brad, do you have an update on your progress?
Hi jack sorry for the disturbness i have a question .. my doc drilled a tunnel inside scaphoid to the inside lunate and put in the tendon ... after 7 weeks still i have pain only on the scaphoid bone while moving and really made me anxious and depreesed because i cant focus while talking and moving the hand without feeling the pain like a stingging pain .. have you felt that pain when you removed the cast ?
Thiird Eye I felt pain in my wrist for 2 or 3 months after pins came out. But it did slowly get better and all pain eventually went away
@@jackharding144 when you mean pain in wrist .. you mean on the bones ( scaphoid , lunate and capitate ?)
Thiird Eye Yes, pain right on the bones. But as I said in the videos, I had more issues with stiffness and pain in my fingers
@@jackharding144 thank you
You gave me some relief ... i think i will give it more time ..and see
Thiird Eye You are very welcome. Good luck!
Hi Jack thanks for sharing this video... I have a question for the six weeks you have the pins did you feel pain in your thumb? I feel tingling and numbness my doctor sent me to the neurologist and of course the pins are touching the nerve and that's why I have this feeling.. I'm wondering if it is completely normal? As the neurologist said one nerve is compromised but my doctor of course said that the pins are in the correct place to heal the ligament...
So it is normal to feel this pain in the thumb until I get the pins removed?
And when they remove the pins how long did you still feel this pain in the fingers specially?
Thanks
Hi Raquel - I do recall lots of pain in my thumb when the pins were in. Once they come out, the pain (and stiffness) in all your fingers and wrist is there for a while and some days are better than others. But it does get a little better each month, trust me. Just do yourself a favor and work your wrist and fingers everyday during your post pin removal therapy . . . it will greatly speed up your overall recovery. Wish you the best of luck!
Hi raquel do you still have pain after surgery ... because i still have pain after six weeks
Thanks
Hi Jack did you have the internal brace or did you just get the two screw holes?
Hi - I'm not sure what you mean by the internal brace. I had a small incision on top of my wrist and then small holes for the pins on the side of my wrist
Did anyone use a hot wax "bath" after pins were removed? Wondering if that will help ROM?
Yes - I recall having that done during therapy. I was sort of mixed on its results, always felt the physical exercises were more beneficial.
@@jackharding144 I just thought it would be a nice warm up especially as I am just getting started on ROM.
Hey Jack, really appreciate you sharing your surgery experience and recovery journey. I recently underwent the exact same surgery and am just finishing my second week of post-op. I wanted to ask what your pain levels were two weeks plus of post-op? I was removed from a hard cast to a plastic splint one week after surgery and have been frequently experiencing excruciating pain throughout my whole wrist and I wonder if being in a hard cast verses a splint could be the reason. My physicians only gave me two days worth of pain killers (oxycodone) and because of state laws will no longer give me more. How long did your pain last and how many weeks post-op did it subside? Also what did you find to be the best sleeping position? When did you start doing finger/wrist range of motion exercises? Sorry for all the questions but really appreciate any feed back you can give :) Cheers to recovery!
Hi Matt - the first couple of weeks were brutal and was in lots of pain. It clearly wasn't as bad for me, as I did have pain meds for probably the first 10 days. After the first 4 or 5 days post op, I deliberately tried to go through the day without meds, and took them only at night. This definitely helped me sleep. I kept my arm elevated on pillows at night, which at least helped me a little. Since I was in a hard cast for roughly 6 weeks after surgery, I didn't start any rehab/PT until my pins were removed at end of 6 weeks. But I did go immediately into PT. The pain overall just diminished a little more each week . . . the whole process was not pleasant, but at the end I'm glad I did it. I am fully recovered now . . . I have slightly less range of motion, but other than that no restrictions. Wish you the best of luck in your recovery!
@@jackharding144 Really appreciate that response Jack! I'm sitting here about 2.5 weeks post op, with a decent amount of pain, tons of bruising and limited range of motion so really hoping that's normal but sounds like you were in a hard cast for 6 weeks post up. They put me in a removable plastic splint one week post-op which I thought was kind of early. Any other tips/advice is truly appreciated! Thanks again for such an awesome video.
Hi Jack. Those videos are really helpful. Thank you for sharing this. I'm a month after pins removal. Could please share how you were working on your wrist during rehabilitation? What kind of exercises were you doing to strength it up and get that range of motion? I would appreciate this. Thank you once again!
Hi Sebastian - great XFit videos by the way on your channel. The exercises I did after pin removal during rehab ranged from simple stuff like touching your thumb to your other 4 fingers, rotating your wrist between palm facing up and palm facing down, constant stretching, and using a finger strengthening device I bought called Finger Master Hand Strengthener. The therapist had me doing so many various exercises it is tough to put down in a comments section. Going to the gym for regular strength training workouts helped tremendously with hand/grip strength. Hope your rehab goes well!
@@jackharding144 thanx Jack happy to know you are back to the gym. I'm having pain in the middle of my wrist when doing push ups. MRI reported tear in my scaphoid ligament. Just wanted to know what where you symptoms and limitations so I can compare it with mine. Thanx
Amur Al-Maskari Hi Amur - I am about 2 years since my surgery and my wrist is great. No pain or limitations in the gym. I think it took me about 10 weeks after pin removal to get back to normal pushups. Good luck if you get the surgery!
@@amuralmaskari2288 Hi, I am 5 months after pins removal and around 7 months after surgery. I've teared my SL ligament during workout when I was doing squat clean. For me symptoms where: pain in wrist during push ups, pain when trying to turn the key in doors with this hand or when holding frying pen for handle.
Any kind of exercise that required pressure on this wrist or some kind of isometric holds caused pain.
@@jackharding144 thank you Jack 👌👌
Dear, I hope you are doing well. I was diagnose with the same injury but my mind tells me its not true. I wanted to compare the symptoms so I can relate if I have the scapholunate ligament tear. first I have pain only when I extremely bent it upward or downward, side movement no pain. I cant bear any weight on my wrist when I try to use it to lift my self for example and this is the first thing I felt when I went to sea the doctor. I noticed a lump appears on my wrist when a bent it downward, did you had it in your case?
Appreciate your support. this is still the case with me for the past two years and I dont know what to believe anymore every doctor has a different opinion.
I can see that you have written this comment 11months ago. How is it now? Can you bare the weight? How long did it take?
Sounds like my case, I am only been 2and a half weeks, and seems like range of movements.. and stuff are all good, but if I try to hold anything with the weight, such as golf club, I can't help it. How long did it take for your wrist to get better and normal?
Hey jack, I tore my scapholunate ligament a year and a half ago boxing along with a few other ligaments in my hand and it has knocked me out of all boxing harder than any punch ever has. I decided not to get the surgery the first time around but now I have re injured it badly and surgery seems to be the direction i'm heading now. Was wondering now that a year or so has passed if you feel like your hand has rehabbed well enough to be taking any impacts like punching.
Hi Max - I'm coming up on 2 years since my surgery, and my wrist is back to normal. It certainly feels like it could take impact of punching although I haven't really tried it. Best of luck!
Hey man, I know that this is an old video and it seems that maybe you're not using this channel so often, but I have a series of questions. Could you remember how the procedure name was? And can you remerber if the surgeon where have you gone, have given you different options? I have a scapholunate dissociation, and different surgeons suggest me different options, and I don't know what option I have to choose. Some of them told me that I can have a ligament reconstruction using Herbert's screws and a tendon for creating a ligament replacement (is this the surgery you went through?), others told me that that option is futile and 3 years later I have to undergone new surgeries, and said to me that a partial fusion is the better option (4 corner fusion), but this means a lot of range of movement loss. And finally others say that leaving the wrist untreated and stopping completely using it in heavy activities like lifting is the better option cause I'm too young to get my wrist fused (I'm 24 and I was very active, lifting and doing BJJ and Kickboxing), and in the future I have to finally fuse my wrist, saying also that the ligament reconstruction is not a good option because it doesn’t last much. I really don’t know what to do, and it’s very depressing cause I can’t do nothing, and the future it seems to be also that way.
Hi Juan - I'll try and answer your questions . . . The procedure I had done was scapholunate reconstructive surgery. The Dr. took a donor tendon from my left arm (~2 inch incision just above the wrist) and used the tendon to replace the torn ligament that holds the scaphoid and lunate bones together. The Dr. then secured the tendon with 2 pins, that were removed after 6 weeks. In terms of what options my Dr. gave me, there were really 2 options: 1) Do nothing, but the pain would continue to increase and eventually result in needing fusion in a few years 2) Have the reconstructive surgery. Based on my lifestyle and good health, the Dr. strongly recommended option 2. He knew I wanted to remain active (lifting, golf, etc.) and the surgery provided the best option. I clearly don't know all your specific details, but I can't imagine a Dr. recommending you to have a wrist fusion at 24 years old. I had my surgery in March of 2018, started physical therapy and light weights in May of 2018, and was back 100% by July 2018. Now 1 year later, my wrist is still fine with no issues at all. My range of motion is probably 90% of what it was, but it doesn't limit me in any way. I hope this helps, more than happy to answer any questions you have. Good luck!
@@jackharding144 Thanks a lot for replying!! I was thinking about not doing any surgery, because of what some surgeons told me about the reconstruction procedure ( of not having good results), but your case give me some hope. One more question, since the injury how much time passed by? I'm about a year post injury, and I know that closer to the injury, better are the results. Anyway thanks a lot again for replying, greetings from Argentina.
@@juanbotto3446 About 3 months between injury and surgery. I waited a few weeks after I hurt it, just to see if it would get better. I continued lifting after I hurt it, which probably didn't help the situation. After a month the pain was increasing, so I went to Dr. and he thought it may be torn, but I needed to schedule an MRI which took a couple weeks. So as soon as the MRI results came in, I went back to Dr. who confirmed 100% tear. So we scheduled the surgery immediately and I was operated on about 5 days later. For me the decision to have the surgery was easy . . . it gave me the best chance to get full use of my wrist back. I was super dedicated in rehabbing / therapy and worked my wrist and fingers every day. Hope this helps - greetings from the USA!
Hi juan how is your surgery now now
Thanks, great videos. My SLL tear story is virtually identical to yours, but seems to be less positive. I'm at 12 weeks post pin removal. My wrist feels stable, pain is minor, and mostly functional. My extension is slowly improving, but flexion is horrible...20 degrees when warm, with little progress. What flexibility exercises did you find most useful?
I remember using low weight dumbbell, hanging wrist over table and doing extension/flexion curls. Did this during rehab sessions. They also had me using hand / wrist maze each time, which helped with range of motion. Good luck in your recovery!
i am waiting for my MRI results, but i am dealing with the same pain and instability you mentioned, and i was wondering after all these years, can you lift or essentially live life the same life you did before surgery? are there any limitations you have today or no.
Hey Ryan - short answer is yes, resumed all activities after surgery that I was doing before the injury. No limitations at all.
Hi Jack. Can I ask how long between your injury and the surgery? Thanks!
Hi Josh - 3 months
Hi Jack and thanks for your two videos. I've had the exact surgery as you, 5 months ago, and boy oh boy did I go through hell! I have Ataxia and am always falling! Can not leave house and get PT. Can you make a video showing the exercise for your wrist? My wrist is still stiff. Thanks
Hi enrico i just removed the cast before two days ... what time was from your intial injury to the surgery ? And how is your pain ?