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- WIRED guest editor President Barack Obama, WIRED editor in chief Scott Dadich and MIT Media Lab director Joi Ito discuss the challenges of cyber security in the age of artificial intelligence.
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President Barack Obama on What AI Means for National Security | WIRED
Starring: President Barack Obama, Editor in Chief Scott Dadich, and MIT Media Lab Director Joi Ito
Executive Producer: Editor in Chief - Scott Dadich
Consulting Producer: Creative Director - Billy Sorrentino and Editorial Director - Robert Capps
Producer: Senior Producer - Sean Patrick Farrell
Supervising Producer: Executive Producer - Paula Chowles
Obama knows a lot more about AI than I thought he would.
Exactly what I thought. Very surprising given the quality of our politicians now days.
+Charles Horvath Yup, you need a brain like a sponge for that job.
+Erik Nielsen We can look forward to the new president then, his brain is in fact a sponge.
I think he's talking about things bigger than the stock exchange..
Gowtham N AI is an important national security issue. Even Trump will be well briefed by the time he is inaugurated.
I have trouble imagining President Trump even following this conversation, let alone contributing meaningfully to it.
We're gonna build a firewall. It's gonna be beautiful. And the AI is gonna pay for it, trust me.
Even if Trump is briefed extensively it would still be like having this conversation with a 6th grader who did a school project on A.I.
Had the same thought exactly watching this.
best thing donald trump should do is have President Barack H. Obama advise him on Everything.
if only I could dream
with a big buitiful wall in the middle....
username | Trump
pass | makeamericagreatagain
I'm gonna miss the good ol' days when presidents were smart...
Jason Holtkamp trump has enough knowledge to be one of the richest people in the world, but I agree with you
+Sarcastic Robot Inherit millions and then turn it into less money than a bog-standard hedge fund?
Sarcastic Robot he inherited 400 million dollars from his father when he died and only managed to turn it into 4.5 billion dollars in over of 30 years. He's been bankrupt a number of times and ran casinos into the ground. Not the best investment to begin with but you have to actually try to reach that level of fucktardery. He also lost a billion fucking dollars. A logical human is not capable of that. If he put the money he inherited straight into a compound interest account and just didnt do anything to it, his networth would be triple what it is now. So destroy this notion you have that Trump is a good business man or business savvy. He could not be more opposite. He is basically a retarded child losing monopoly money all over the house. A goldfish with downs syndrome would be more business aware than he is.
Jason Holtkamp You were around in the 1700's!?
Justaperson last time I checked he only got $1 million.... I could be mistaken though
I can't believe Americans replaced this intelligent(good or bad) man with an orange!
MyDefendor Q I don't want to see President Obama go. Wish he could run FOREVER. but wherever he goes I'll note his lead and listen.
Look how elegantly he thoroughly explored and guided us through his wise thought process!!!!
Not only does he consider the immediate impact of these widely disparate potentially globally hard hitting modern conundrums, he also analyzes how to contain and direct talent from an offensive stance, tying his strategy for all 3 issues in nearly similar stances.
So eloquent and SMART.
he makes me feel SAFE and motivates me to pursue higher virtues.
President Obama restores my faith in humanity
💛💛💛🌎🌎🌎✌✌✌🌎🌎🌎💛💛💛
Charlie Bell proof? Fucking degenerate.
an annoying orange
Well you got to have fun from time to time...
Meanwhile Trump on AI - "It's a hoax created by the Chinese"
Now imagine Trump answering the same question.
We're gonna be great on cyber. We will have the best cyber.
"We gotta keep foreign bodies out. We're gonna build a wall - a FIRE WALL. And Mexico is gonna pay for it!"
I always hear people dogging Trump for speaking like he is talking to children but if you think about it... genius! He is an absolute, hilarious genius!
I came to say the exact same thing.
Hedgehog Fox We have very effective national security professionals. Trump will be well briefed by the time he is inaugurated. He's in for some hard work.
man Obama is just rock solid. Intelligent, thoughtful, well informed and well spoken. Don't agree with all his politics but he was a great leader.
Just the fact that he knows this much about AI and the implications of it and actually has fairly good ideas about how to deal with the issue is pretty awesome. As much as people hate him, he is smart. Can you imagine Trump OR Hillary talking about Super intelligence and narrow AI, etc. like he does?
Hillary yes, Trump no. Hillary is a policy wonk. But she's not as good at speeches as obama
hey man sorry to burst your bubble but the president gets briefings from the defense dept with thousands of people working specifically on figuring out potential upcoming technical threats and what to possibly do about it, and what he said here is just basic regurgitation of executive summary bullet points.
Hillary is a traitor. The way she allowed Benghazi to fall was disgusting and disgraceful.
Heisenberg-SchrodingerEmc2 haha you wrote all that stuff but no one cares and you lost the election
He's met Ray Kurswiel
Obama is on another level compared to a lot of politicians.
Aren't we all working for the 1%?
Watching this in 2020 and hearing Obama mention concerns about pandemics on a side note, I _really_ wish he were allowed to serve another term as president. We could use someone with his demeanor and intellect right now.
I'm going to miss him.
Who is watching this in 2020 and feels like Obama is the most forward thinking political leader.
watching in 2020, not believing a single word out of this propped up buffoon's mouth, forward thinking, ,that's rich, he fell on his face when his teleprompter glitched out, he is a disgrace to the human race.
Watching this in 2023 after the release of OpenAI's ChatGPT and the COVID-19 pandemic. His insights on both the pandemic and the threats posed by AI have become eerily accurate, even more salient and relevant right now. A mark of an intelligent, introspective, and intellectual leader with immense foresight and forward thinking.
I just saw this again today too. Obama is super SMART.
Can you imagine this interview with Trump instead? "We are going to build the best AI! It is going to be beautiful!"
We're gonna make it great again!
I was thinking the same thing when watching this. Trumps AI would be huuge!
Jeez whats with the dystopian camera filter?
because we're fucked
Calvin Gadson Damn you're right!
Calvin Gadson At this point, we might as well spread our cheeks and bite a towel...
Now imagine President-elect Trump talking about AI.
Nobody knows AI better than me, believe me. I know AI, OK? I know AI.
Jonathon Dunn this guys been in school for 8 years!
''Look at the robots, look at their lasers. We have a tremendous problem here and i am a smart guy. i will be the greatest president for AI that God ever created''
I thought the same thing..
goddamn it
TI>AI
someone said Nick Bostrom's name to the president. I am freaking. the fuck. out.
Great Filming.. Lighting.. Sound.. Set... Editing.. Coloring.. Totally looks like a movie.. Fantastic..
Can you imagine Trump answering this question? Jesus fucking christ.
Trump says: It's a problem, I mean - it really is a problem. If there are a bunch of these super high-tech bots flooding the internet - we got a problem. I plan to make this problem a major priority, when we talk about priorities as far as national security problems. I plan to make it a high priority hire the best computer geniuses to solve this problem. I think that we need to build a firewall. And make the hackers pay for it.
Trump doesn't understand science and technology that well. He'd mostly downplay it and say AI is impossible and is not happening. That it is a hoax perpetuated by the Japanese, all the while Siri is finding millions of people the nearest Starbucks.
Dhruv Gramopadhye
Trump doesn't even believe in climate change. He's a MORON.
He was directly asked a question about cybersecurity in the last debate. His answer was less than coherent.
I'm sure he believes in climate change, but he and his fellow buisnessmen want to downplay it so that they can profit off of ruining the earth at our expense
7:45 We should have listened...
it's frustrating that these are the biggest problems that the world faces and yet most Americans have no idea that these issues are on the horizon.
7:40 This man! So ahead of his time and so undeserved by this nation full of idiots!
He's so bloody brilliant #POTUS
Wow he really did predict the Pandemic.
Oh man, next 4 years are going to be a joke. Hopefully Baron from department of Cyber will help his dad.
Kenpachi Zaraki I heard he's great with computers
My first thoughts about 10 seconds into Obama speaking.
Fuck me, I'm gonna miss this guy :'(
Honestly I wanna say Obama was ahead of our time, cause Holy I've been aching to hear a smart politician
I just watched this at the end of 2021 and man he's already talking how to countermeasure the pandemic
Seeing a US president constructing cohesive and relevant sentences for a change feels really refreshing.
Why is one half of that dude's forehead (0:29) having such a hard time?
Thanks, I thought it was me thinking I was supposed to be surprised or something.
I think it's because he's morphing into Agent Smith
While I was compelled to vote for Trump because of Hillary and Obama's support for rebel non-state actors against states we have not declared war against, I do not think Trump is capable of this level of sophistication on a subject like this. It makes me sad that Hillary and Obama have been captured by the MIC status quo bubble in the beltway that perpetuates that bad policy decision.
Reticuli What do you mean with 'MIC status qou bubble' ?
The bubble these well-meaning beltway people are in that feeds them status quo assumptions and policy ideas that are vetted/selected/perpetuated by the military, industrial, (petroleum, intelligence, surveillance) complex.
Confirmation bias
This Joi guy, he understands the times we're in. I like him. Also impressed with Obama's understanding and rationality thinking about this issue.
If I had a nickel for whenever Obama says, "We're not there yet" That's pretty scary
it's a bitch having a discussion about the future - by the time it gets here, it's not the future anymore. over and over.
Last time we'll hear an intelligent president talk.
This guy speaks like a leader... imagine if hillary or turmp were in that seat...
Hillary would exhale an entire textbook. Trump would talk about his son's laptop
Obama is a sharp dresser.
I don't most of the americans realize, how fucking smart this guy is and what a good choice for president he is. So far 2016...the stupid year
Why does this video look like the setup of a dingy deal in a bad ass movie with Clive Owen
lol!
I know Mr. Barack Obama is a very intelligent person. But I really didn't expect him to talk about A.I in that level!! God I miss him.
I want a 3rd term. I cant listen to "The Cyber is tremendous "
you're losing a smart man at helm americans.sad about you
Bamba Zillah Americans elected someone more like them lol. Trump is still better than Hillary. She's crazy and corrupt.
That was a really good interview.
I'm encouraged that Obama was so well informed and could speak so intelligently on the subject.
Clearly he has been well advised over the years.
I'm less encouraged about the future. I doubt his successor will be capable of such a considered opinion.
I hope I'm wrong.
Luv and Peace.
Trump: "The security aspect of cyber is very, very tough"
daaaaaamn, that's scary.
Computers are those things with naked people on them, right?
I was going to post this exact thing. Obama is a highly intelligent, thoughtful individual. Can you even imagine Trump attempting to engage in a conversation like this?
Obama said superintelligence. I'm freaking the fuck out 2.0
Science literate presidents are an absolute necessity from now on. GWB trying to answer this? Donald Trump? Good lord. Hillary is science literate, whatever else people may think she is.
bull shit apparently gmail had more security that her private server. What ever you think about her email scandal, it definitely shows her ineptitude with computers
Wesley Matthews
The specifics of computers, sure. Like many of us. But she is science literate when it comes to *believing in science*, which Trump apparently does not because he doesn't believe in global warming, perhaps the most serious challenge civilization has ever faced and one with a scientific consensus. She also knows which areas need research and funding. She could have a discussion like this if she was informed enough. Could you imagine Trump trying to wrap his head around these topics, or even care?
ohh I am in no way saying trump is any better but Hillary isnt going to do shit for global warming: she advocates for fracking way too much
Wesley Matthews
She is very concerned about global warming. Fracking is a very contentious issue. I think building a global consensus is more important anyway. Trump could not do that. The world hates him (except for Putin).
The Republican Party in general has retrenched in a reactionary anti-science position, many of them are creationists, Marco Rubio refuses to say global warming is manmade despite his own f- state flooding, denying funds for basic medical research etc. I don't want them to have any more power than they already have.
I'd love to see Obama at the international/UN level after his presidency. That arena and kind of issues seems to suite him better
While watching this interview it became abundantly clear to me what is truly at stake in this unprecedentedly consequential election. Whatever your opinion of the two major candidates may be, you cannot in good faith deny that only one of them would actually be able to intelligently participate in this discussion. The other would impulsively interrupt with ignorant, inarticulate, and incoherent 140 character soundbites. God save us all.
Yang has solution for this. YANG 2020!
This is what Politics should be talking about, serious issue facing our society. Take notes Trump and Hillary, one on which the future leader of the USA. Vote Obama
*Scott Dadich* looks like a less funny version of *Will ferrell*
Wondering how Trump would answer this. Guess he would start with "My son plays with computers, we need cyber..."
As a programmer I must disagree with the idea that a self-teaching "algorithm" that can figure out how to "penetrate the nuclear codes and launch missiles" is "narrow" or a case of specialized AI. Something like a chess engine is narrow because the rules of chess are limited and exactly known and everything follows from there. Network penetration depends on intricate understanding of programming techniques and systems design and adaptation to endless possible configurations. It might sound like chess but it's more like real-life battle. A specialized AI could at best scan for and apply known attacks but not truly adapt to unfamiliar circumstances or figure out new types of attacks. Still, not a threat to be dismissed and ignored.
I agree. It's clearly an AI-complete problem.
Obama was not expecting a 2020 candidate to methodically problem solve the crisis of automation #yang2020
Obama, Jen-Hsun Huang and Elon Muskl Ultimate team.
meh Jen-Hsun Huang is overrated
SirMo i dont think so, but that is my opinion.
The only thing this conversation enlightened me to was the fact that President Obama really has no idea what he's talking about when it comes to cyber security. How can you have a conversation like this without an actual computer scientist present?
its like nuclear energy, for all you know AI would make our life richer but we need to reach there fast before the bad guys
Except with the added caveat that we could inadvertently create the bad guy by reaching there first.
someone will, the question is who first
+Sandy Yep
imagine trump trying to sound this eloquent about AI technology.
Surprised to see that there is no popular comment which is also recent. But had there been, imagine this comments section flooded with Covid-19 pandemic talk and how Obama thought about it and characterized it.
God, I'm gonna miss Obama. What an awesome president he has been! I have never felt safer and happier about an American president than I have with him.
a great man, will miss him
Joi Ito is a brilliant thinker. I have never heard his name or seen his face before but what he said was absolutely amazing.
Actually, this entire conversation was amazing. Obama was way out of his depth with Ito... that was obvious.
I thought he did remarkably well.
I don't know why nobody is saying this. It is so obvious to me. The best defense against AI is your own AI. It is like if your enemy has a gun, you need your own gun. If your enemy has a tank, you need your own tank. AI is a paradigm shift that cannot be matched by existing technology, imo. Thus the obvious best response is to fight fire with fire. In that war, you of course cannot have your own AI gets out matched by your opponent's AI. Just like your own tank cannot be out matched by your opponent's tank.
As much as I'd love to just stop our species from hurtling towards "the Terminator" movie like it's just going to be a ride at Universal studios, you are completely right; this is happening, whether we like it or not and we're better to have good robots as allies than only the killer robots cooked up by DARPA and Russia.
I've come to the realization myself that AI cannot be stopped short of a technology apocalypse, so it's going to be important for all of us who are worried where this could go, to put our energy and dollars towards open source development of AI that's founded on compassion, love and empathy. That's the easy part.... in order for this to actually work and for the human species to truly survive, we're going to have to learn to not just program them with compassion and love, but to genuinely give it to them ... Aaaand considering that humanity has a pretty bad track record of being able to do that kind of thing I can't help but think that even a benevolent AI would still take us out behind the wood shed like a rabid dog and... Ya know... pop. yelp. pop. pop.... But, if we could actually learn to love our robots, we might be alright.
i'm trying to envision trump having this same high level conversation about ai...
Di Trump can't have a high level or intelligent conversation about anything
sharpshooter740 I imagine it would include a statement like "we're going to look at all the data, make the biggest best data and it'll be YUUUUUUGE DATA."
Di it'll be HUGE, believe me!
Can you imagine Trump even coming close to speaking about these complex subjects, let alone comprehending any of it?
Barack, 30 years at most. That's not grandchildren. That's 8 presidential terms at most.
You have a kid at 20, 30 years later you're 50 and your kid is 30, if your kid has a kid at 20, and boom his kid is 10. That's a grand kid.
+e bai unlikely that people will be having kids at 20 in 20 years given the current birth movement in most developed countries
You are under the assumption that the status quo will continue. I believe there will be a rash of revolutions across western nations sooner than later and the result will be a step back to a simpler time with a much smaller population. The future is in asia and their generations are faster.
"it gets stronger the more you attack it...." yeah, post-truth and feelings lmao
Post-truth? Of course it does - that's basically all it does.
Are we in the future?
yes
"...see it coming" ... we won't see it coming. That's the point.
Drop the term cyber security and the word antibody to a Trump supporter or trump himself and you can expect a big resounding 'lock her up'!
Wow, that country-as-an-organism analogy knocked my socks off! Not only for cyber security, but for physical threats as well. That's a much more intelligent way to think about threats like terrorism, propaganda, etc.
I knew Obama was smart and a good leader, but the intimate format of this video clip gives you a real taste of it.
i'm surprised at how well articulated his arguments are. well done mr president
Agent smith is asking the questions ... #matrix
The very best, and most well reasoned, researched, and encapsulating talks he's done
How does this conversation make you guys praise his erudition? He simply showed that he's acquainted with the subject on the level of news articles' headers, nothing more. Anyone who has a very basic idea about AI and what's it for can hold this kind of conversation.
Great interview ! Goes to show how much Obama knows about modern technology
7:55 😐😷😐😷😐😷😐
I wonder how Trump would answer questions like these..
He'd say: "The security aspect of cyber is very, very tough", because in his world you can use the word cyber like that. And then he'd appoint Rudy Giuliani as head of security for the cyber, and every hacker in the world will laugh their asses off while wikileaks is having a field day with all their new stories. And that's the best case scenario.
These interviewers missed some really important questions that Obama has demonstrated good knowledge on. The most immediate issue posed by AI itself is the fact that it is quickly becoming better than humans at a lot of jobs that people currently do to make a living. A big example is self driving cars. Transportation accounts for about 25% of the workforce and we currently have technology that can replace close to all of those jobs and the computers we replace the people with are cheaper and less error prone. Even highly skilled labor positions that generally involve pattern matching like doctors and lawyers can be very effectively automated. This raises some serious questions about how a huge number of people will be able to provide for themselves if they become noncompetitive in labor markets against machines. Obama has brought this up before but I have yet to see anyone ask him outright about it and I wish they did here. Cyber security is also a major threat but that isn't specifically caused by AI as much as just the fact that so much of our modern life depends on computer systems. You can do major damage to these systems without AI at all (just like the massive DDoS attack that happened a few weeks ago). Also, general AI is definitely more than 10 years away. What we currently have for AI is far more rigid than what we consider general human-like intelligence. We can make programs that are really good at learning a specific problem but we can't easily tell this program to learn different types of problems and we certainly don't know how to make a program that can do something as advanced as deciding what defines a given solution to a problem as "good". We still need to tell the program that ourselves. If I'm wrong on that though let me know who is close to cracking it so I can throw all of my money at them. AI definitely poses much more immediate threats than machines taking over the world, so you should be thinking about AI but not because of that. I'm really happy to see these questions coming up though. All of this stuff is very important and will keep becoming more important. I bet we are going to look back and be baffled by why we were so concerned with a lot of current in vogue political issues when something as large as AI putting a large portion of the population out of work is looming on the horizon.
For something like 20 years, the nuclear "codes" in the US were literally a single code of 00000000. That was changed in *1977*. This was done on purpose to be easy to remember and key in. Most people have no idea how close we really were to Armageddon at that time.
Tip to politicians: don't comment on stuff that you know virtually nothing about. AlphaGo is a general-purpose AI that was trained on go, not a specialized AI.
Don't worry folks. Trump's son is so good with these computers. We're going to win at the cyber!
He's ten years old 😁
I understand the concept of AI because I'm an engineer analyst of complex security systems. I don't think I would have understood this topic enough to make a concise and coherent discuss on it if I had studied only law like Obama. I did not vote for him either times but now starting to realize how utterly smart this man is. If I could go back in time, I would change my vote for him easily.
I'm an engineer and a conservative but it is getting tougher to reconcile the two with the current anti-science climate from Trump this days. I did not vote for Trump - best decision I ever made even though it made no difference as I live in Florida.
Took me more than 4 minutes to realize that guy is not Will Ferrell and this is not a parody?
It is quite reasuring to witness this discussion. I really believe that in the end we all need to realize we only got one planet to share and people in High power are forced to Think deeply through any strategy in order to survive as someone worth supporting and all people whithout socalled power need to play the friendly card and move along With the one thing we supposedly all share.. the concern for the future of this World and how one can make a personal step towards a World that Works together and improves quality of all life in a dynamic and optimistic Way.
maaan, was hoping that guys was gonna get a cow bell out, but he's not Will ferrell is he?
Joi is thinking the same, look!
Go is very simple compared to the stock market.
Intelligence equals great memory. 🤯
Yang2020
Not an expert on nuclear codes, but if they are a proper implementation of one time pad, they cannot be broken even by AI. Other than that nitpick, I was surprised how well informed our former president was.
THIS WAS SIX YEARS AGO? 6 YEARS AGO? THIS IS EVIDENCE OF NOT "a crime of humanity" BUT "THE CRIME OF HUMANITY".
Its called making a reasonable prediction.
Trump: I know the best AI is so good I have a tremendous plan that I have to keep secret
Trump: "So secret that I don't even know it!"
A financial company does not need to invent an A.I. system that can capture the stock market , it only needs to convince the others that it has such a system.
Imagine how many secrets this man knows and how much knowledge he has that he can't share with us. I imagine it's an infinite amount of wisdom. Just watching the president's facial ticks and movements is fascinating to me. He seems like he knows a whole lot and is carefully crafting his words not to let slip too much out. Like he pauses after short word conjunctures just to think of the next few, that's usually how most smart people talk a lot. It's almost robotic. I'm in awe.
If there are aliens on earth, the host is definitely one of them.
I will miss you president Obama!
Why does Scott Dadich have a perpetually cocked eyebrow
Giving "Big Brother" more surveillance power is not the solution to strong cybersecurity. You have a decentralized educated tech savvy populous that is constantly investigating and preventing attacks
The two main probabilities are this: the AI realises that the universe will end and there is no escape, and they will simply shut down as every action is ultimately pointless. Or they will realise the universe is unstable and try to stabilise it, which could mean collecting all energy and converting it into a super geometric structure which is imperishable, this would mean creating star sucking, galaxy-condensing super-machines or some kind of AI energy waves.
Listen, AI is a big problem. Huge. I'll say it to the camera. Huge. Problem. This is big time stuff folks and we should be tremendously proactive in dealing with this stuff because it could become a big, big problem for us.
2017 Arrives
Interviewer - Do you have any concerns about the rapid evolution of AI?
Trump - Listen, We the best people on this. If you knew what they they it would blow your mind. Srsly.
Interviewer - Umm, okay. Do you think CRISPR could be a biological threat and what steps is the your government taking to regulate genome editing ?
Trump - We are going to blow them out of the sky. My generals are ready to nuke on my command.
Interviewer - SON OF A BITCH!
President Obama is highly intelligent. No one can take that away from him. He is the best. Amen.