Knife Sharpening for Straight Razor Guys
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- All of the items I use in this can be seen here:
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Well... not the Norton 8K
The progression I used:
1. Atoma 400 Diamond plate
2. Chosera 1K
3. Shapton Pro 5K
4. Norton 8K
5. Richmond Strop Base & Kit
It's quite funny to see you sharpen a kitchen knife. I can shave with a razor but didn't for 20 years, lazy short beard guy. I make chef knives and stayed here to get to know razors and a few impressions on sharpening. It's such a delight to see you work and those finishing stone passes with razors sound just awesome. I don't get ASMR but that must be it.
One thing though: I learned to accept your rocking stones on razors but with unguides sharpening it just bugs me, sorry. Imho you are correct about the edge with trailing strokes. It tends to form a more pronounced burr while leading tends to microchip the edge. Scienceofsharp wrote an article on that irc.
Keep em coming I definitly keep watching!
Thanks for the reply Hurzel. Yes, I've followed SOS blog for years. I think the chipping of the edge is minimized at the higher grits.
Chef knives to go is the best place to get stones. I could tale you a tale of amazing customer service from them and I have been loyal ever since
Thanks S&S. Yes, I’ve heard some stories. They have great service and even answer their own phones!
I somehow missed this vid. Great work as always, sir. Thank you
Very welcome
Gorgeous blade and sharpening work mate
Thank you! Cheers!
Awesome video Dr. Matt. Love the knife videos. Just recently got into Japanese knives and chef knives to go it my go to site. Keep them coming
Great video as always. Good to see you back.
That wedge angle would be great for me to help my younger butchers lean how to maintain their knives
Hey Dr. Matt, Nice video. I’m one of those guys that started with knife sharpening and got my butt kicked at first when trying to hone razors. As you say, you need a whole new category of finishers - ILR, trans arks, coticules, don’t need any of that for a kitchen knife. Big fan of CKTG as well, I have the wedge set and I sharpen my razors using the “pasted balsa method” using CKTG balsas on the base that you showed - works great!
Do you "need" any of that for a razor? I think not. Something about bladed tools attracts a lot of little boys and makes grown men act like little boys. The amount of just silliness and mythology in knife and razor land makes a religious cult blush. You need 2 stones at most to do razors, that's assuming you need to "fix it" by creating a new bevel after for instance dropping the thing onto tile floors. To maintain a razor you need 1 stone at most, realistically just strop and compound will do it. For knives you could say 3, but really a finisher isn't "needed" so it's also 2. All you really need day to day is a strop and compound.
@@jeffhicks8428 So...what are the two stones you use to reset a bevel and finish a razor?
@@Master...deBater
People that want to play around with natural stones, that's like a whole art onto itself. If you do that, you'd better not be using compound on strops otherwise you're just making a fool of yourself and defeating the whole purpose of natural stones. Personally, I'm not a fan of all that but I can appreciate folks who do it well. It's a lot of woo woo, extremely subjective, certainly not "needed."
Day to day, all you need is strop and compound. Balsa loaded with half micron diamond. Easy. Then you use your hanging strop.
Stones: IMO the best finisher is the same stone Dr Matt uses. 12k super stone. The super stone is an entire line of finishing stones and the "12k" is the finest stone in that line. Like most specialty stones the grit rating is pretty arbitrary. Basically what I'm saying is it leaves a finish that's clearly much higher grit than 12k. All super (finishing/polishing) stones do. That stone is what I would strongly suggest to everyone.
The 2nd stone isn't as important and is a matter of preference. You could a lot of different stones. You could use anything from a 1k-3k chosera. You could use a 2k or 5k shapton pro. All that will affect is two things, 1 how quickly you will be able to "reset a bevel" and 2, how long you're gonna be using the 12k to finish. A 1k chosera will reset the bevel FAST. But you're gonna be spending more time to finish on the 12k. A 5k shapton pro will take a bit of work to reset the bevel, but you will finish faster on the 12k. Of course if you already have more stones, it doesn't hurt to use more stones. Have a blast, go for it. What I said is what you NEED. The end result is 100% the same. The amount of metal at the edge of a razor is minuscule and it's very easily abraded carbon steel (usually), it doesn't take much.
@@jeffhicks8428 Thanks for the reply. I've collected a good selection of natural and synthetic stones over the years...including a Naniwa 12k SS. Primarily as a professional chef and knife sharpener for several local restaurants...from cleavers to sashimi knives. I also have a good collection of vintage blades of all types from straight razors to axes. I own J-nats, Coticules, Eschers, Arkansas', Washitas, Charnleys, and several unidentified mid and high grit natural stones...and collecting is a passion of mine. That said...while I agree that having a large collection certainly isn't necessary. I wouldn't want to give the impression to noobs that a full straight razor bevel correction and reset can easily be done with 2 stones and some pastes. Knives certainly...razors not so much. Not that you can't get a sharp edge, you can...but a comfortable shave is a different matter. And oddly enough I find that it's the midrange stones that dictate the quality of the final shaving edge. From my experience, bevel setting on anything finer than a 1k equivalent stone is a huge waste of time. And jumping to a 12k from anything courser than a 6k or 8k is equally a huge waste of time and may in-fact hinder the quality of the finished edge. Again...not that it can't be done. But most noobs will not take the time...nor more importantly have the knowledge of the importants of fully removing the abrasions from the previous stone before moving to the next. And the larger the gaps in the progression the more uncertainty there is inherent in the process. I generally don't like to much more than double the grit of the previous stone. And the low and midrange is where this is most important. If you don't get all of those deep 1k scratches out you'll never achieve a clean, comfortable shaving edge...regardless of the quality of your finishing stone. From my experience 4 stones are minimally preferential to take a razor from bevel refurb to comfortable shave. That being 1k, 3k, 6k, 12k equivalent. My current progression is 1k, 3k, (5k+/- Washita), (8k+/- Suita, Tsushima or Coticule), 12k followed by a final "flavoring" hone on either an Asagi, Escher, Charnley or black trans Ark prior to stropping. I must say, I've never timed it, but I imagine I could do the full progression on a damaged razor in less than two hours. While cutting down to any 2 stones would likely at least double and possibly triple my time on the stones. And even then...I doubt I'd like the finished shaving edge. Anyway...sorry for the diatribe...but thank you for the discussion...cheers.
@@Master...deBater I feel ya. I dropped my TI on the tile bathroom floor a few weeks ago. Chipped it. I took it to a 5k shapton pro, which isn't even a sharpening stone, it's a finisher. But the amount of metal at the edge of a razor is so minuscule it literally took no more than a couple minutes of grinding on each side to fully remove the damage and the stone is fine enough to not generate any burr in the process, unlike say a 1k chosera would, and I'll tell you what, properly deburring a razor, with it's 16 dps edge and whatnot is much more of a potential issue for most folks than it would be to use some elbow grease on the finer stone. Just my opinion. Obviously if you have 4+ stones that's not an issue. Anyhow from there it took no time on the 12k SS before the thing was totally finished. From there I went to a CKTG balsa strop that's loaded with their weak pink colored water based half micron diamond paste. Just took a minute. Then I used leather, and the hanging strops. If you do have burr, denim seems to work great for that. Overall It really does not take much, carbon steel abrades extremely easily and the amount of it at the edge of a razor is very very small, if we really be real, even my "simple" two stone process on a literally damaged razor could be further simplified without hurting the end shave. I can appreciate all the pomp and circumstance that folks like to get up to with straight razors, but just empirically a lot of that is purely subjective. Which is great. Folks should do what makes them happy. The only thing I do like to bust balls about is folks who use some ceremonial $500 natural then strop on chromox afterwards. It's like uhhh, you're just getting the chromox edge dude. Check out science of sharp dot com for some sweet scanning electron microscope shots of razors and edges and stones and abrasives and all that fun stuff. Good stuff. Evidence based. I think a lot of the myths that seem to carry over to knife and even razor world originate with polishing and planning tools. No doubt if you're dealing with a large flat metal surface you do not want to skip any grits what so ever otherwise you make much more work for yourself.
Great video as usual, Dr. Matt! I've learned to hone my razors pretty well thanks to you. Just as you mentioned, I too started out with knives, but recently haven't done much sharpening on them. I'd love some "wedge-thingys" to help with my technique 😉 thanks for the opportunity!
Sgt Kyle
Great stuff doc, Happy new year from Gibraltar
Ryky is an awesome sharpener he got me into free hand sharpening and off the KME!
Yes, I watched several guys and his style seemed the easiest to pick up for me.
I want those wedges! After sharpening razors for so long I believe I have forgotten how to hone a good knife
Great video, glade to see you doing a knife edge 👍
Great tips, Matt!
Thanks Vicente. Great to hear from you. How’s your big chopper treating you?
@@drmatt357 hi! Doing good, you helped me lot with it. Thanks.
Great video Matt 👍
Thanks Gary. Go ahead, reach in your knife drawer and give it a go!😏
of course now I am off to look in the knife draw see what I can find to sharpen 😂😂😂😂😂 loving that shirt buddy .
LOL, it all starts with a first step! Yes, the shirt is a Magnum PI replica. Thank you.
Happy new year Dr Matt! I've been trying to get the technique down for my kitchen knives since quarantine started! Thanks for the video and tips!
It's fun. I found if you start with the blade more vertical like a 20+ degree, it's easier to get the edge. Then as you progress, you can try some steeper angles like 18 or 15 (or would that be considered more shallow).
@@drmatt357 thanks for the tip! We've been cooking almost every night during quarantine and a sharp knife makes that all the more enjoyable
Great video Dr Matt. I have been watching Ryky for years and he is just another great guy like you who enjoys sharpening. Sorry you are still getting the what for about the shapton 16k. I hope I didn't add to the issue but just to be clear. Dr Matt will never make a video that is misleading in content or results. By the way I have made several purchases from CKTG and have been totally happy with each transaction not to mention the great price on the items.
Thanks James. They’re a great company.
Great video as always. Happy new year.
Love the shirt Doc! I have a closet full of Tommy Bahamas!😁
Thanks Steve. It a Magnum PI replica.
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Thanks for the help. I'll get it right one of these days 🤙
Hey doc, imagine how was for surgeons in the past when scalpels and edged instruments that wasn't replaceables getting dull. Maybe they were like you, professional sharpeners.
Great video, thx! Yesterday I have shaved with my kitchen knife on face. I did 1000, then 2 and 5 tousend and then some leather with car scratch remover. I am quite eager to get my first straight razor, I suppose it will be way beter to shave with 🙂
Nice, I would like to see you sharpen knives. Ryky has gone on his new book writing journey and you have been away for a bit Doc... I do both straights and knives, I been watching you for years and Ryky alike. On the fingers I get finger lock too. I have been since I was about 25 years old (17 years ago) I always worked with my hands sharpening, sanding, finishing. I am free of arthritis it just locks🤷♂️ Stay blessed brother.
Thank you for the views over the years. So the finger lock thing is not uncommon then. That’s good to hear. My knife skills are not at the level of my razor skills but still enjoy it and will probably do more knife stuff in the future.
I back strop on my Naniwa 12k after my finish at Shapton 5k on Japanese knives... I been looking at your knives, never knew that was you @chefknivestogo.com I will be there a bit also waiting for you to stock a 1200 Atoma slurry and Ozuko Asagi 😉... But knives for my wife, she only gets Japanese knives and she tries to perfect her cutting skills, I must say she drags the blade across the cutting board all the time so I am busy. I hone like you do on razors, I call it taking the kinks out... We use them💪
Good show buddy!
Happy new year’s!
Thanks Aidan. Same to you.
What stones should I get in order to hone straight razors and my kitchen knives? I’ve seen the various grit sizes, but didn’t write them down. To learn to hone, do I just watch videos? I really don’t know what I’m doing just yet? I do enjoy the videos. Are the wedges available in stores? Sorry for all the questions.
Awesome video and yes I would like to have it!
You win the Wedgie thingies Randall. email me your address and I'll drop them in the box. drmatt1911@gmail.com
Doc good to see you sir! Hope all is well.
Thanks Tim!
Great video. I would love to have one of the angle wedges. Thanks!
Great videov thx 😊
You might want to put on the website the .5 CBN is 2 oz, I looked everywhere to see how much you would get. What it is suspended in etc...
I have been known to be blind, but..............
Well I started sharpening knives when I was 12 and yes I ruined a perfectly good old timer by having my angle way too low but I didn't have stones for it.So I would screw around sharpening with bricks,concrete and river stones then my Dad caught me.He said "what the Heck are you doing boy? You are ruining that knife" then he let me use his butchering sharpening stones and showed me the angles on the 11 inch stones in tri stone system.Over the years I would look at his sharpening and the angles was so close to basically straight edge which is too brittle to use on daily stuff without the metal chipping off but I prefer to stick with a 17-22 degree angle.I grind with a circle on coarse to build my profile,then full strokes as if cutting slice of the stone,then I bought my first finishing stone at 14 years a smith black Arkansas.Then high school I used to sharpen my teacher's knives but I swear to gawd i could not find anything to put a edge on that Arkansas toothpick the metal would not take a edge,even my Dad's tried it and nothing real good but sorta cut.For me I love sharpening it's sorta zen like relaxation for me.Been using Norton oilstones medium, fine and smith's black Arkansas for years but this ocean jasper is really covering a lot of stones.I find straight razor easy as pie as long as I have a stone wide enough for razor blade.
What is an “Arkansas toothpick”?
@@drmatt357 15 inch double edged knife.It was a very nasty piece of dagger just as intimidating as the Bowie knife.
Great video Dr. Matt! I finish my knives on the ILR stone. I might as well put it to use right? You should teach Ryky Tran how to sharpen a razor, it be a great collaboration!
He actually did a video where he sharpened a razor. I offered in the comments but never heard from him. Obviously he doesn’t know who I am!😉
Hi drMatt I just got my ILR stone cost me extra for shipping to the uk I’m very happy with it don’t know what all the fuss is about online been working great for me thanks for the advice.
Exactly! There is no fuss. That's what I don't get.
Wife says I have short term memory but I think they would still help in sharpening my knives.
You dont ship to the netherlands ?
by the way, i would love the wedgek
I can ship anywhere
Another great knife sharpening resource would be JKI (Japanese knife imports).
I want those angle wedges !
HECK YEA!!!
Curious to know why you went from 400 grit to 1000. Why not 600 or 800?
because those are baby steps... for babies!
12:00 yes we want more stones :)
I want those angle wedges
I want the wedging
Woo hoo 1st
Shapton 16 sucks for razors. You and I discussed it 4 or 5 years ago. People just need a conspiracy I guess.
Yup! Bunch of GD Commies!!
U forgot the coticule under running water 😂
LOL There are a lot of guys who sharpen their knives with natural stones. Maybe I’ll do a vid some day of it.
Heaven forbid a guy try to make a living lol.
I have used similar wedge guides before. Not a bad tool at all.
It’s all sarcasm Scott. In reality, I have no connection, financial or otherwise with CKTG. He puts a page on his website with the products I use just so I can send guys there if they want what I use. Shee-it! I pay the same price as everyone else for the stuff. I just enjoy torquing those douchebags.
All of the other type of wedges I’ve seen, you attache them to the blade. The problem with those is that you never really gain the muscle memory. You might as well use one of the fixed angle rigs at that point.
@@drmatt357 We all grew up watching movies and TV shows that were nothing but toy commercials, but when a youtuber mentions a product that they like they are a total sell out.
A friend of mine has a 3 stone set that came with loose wedges. The don't attach to anything, but when you are sharpening wildly different blade shapes it is a good reference IMHO