When I was younger YES I could carry heavy power tools BUT as you get older and am nearly in my 50s now, the Echo would be great!. Am in a company where we are now a ageing work force and a lot of young guys now are too busy looking at their phone now!
We’ve used that little 2511 for most of our work on the ground and in the air. It’s been a fantastic saw, I did tons of research on this one and the ms194t.. most guys said lighter is usually best for you in the long haul and that stihl was around 7.3 lbs dry weight but those 2-3 pounds make a difference throughout the day! Echo has stepped up their game and they’ve always been reliable. Also have 2 echo 341s but again, they’re a bit heavier and found us using the 2511. Great video and really good point of view!
I own both saws my my echo 2511t with a 12 inch 1/4 .043 is my go to saw for limbing and trimming My t540 with a 16 inch 3/8 lp .050 is my removal saw of choice
Yup! I'll have a 2511 soon-enough but I just got a 355t (2.1HP/35.8cc) for my 16" and had: 25cc/1.2HP for 12", and 33cc/1.6HP for 14" (used to push my 16", when I just-got this new 355t w/ a 14" setup I traded the two :P ) I'm strong for my size but a real small guy, size of saw matters a lot especially if you're "a bad guy" and 1-hand like I do (love the 355t's palm-rests, am making a larger custom one now actually :D ), so having the right tools for the job makes all the difference (also have a ppt-266, echo's high-end 25cc extend-pole-saw but it's currently being rebuilt after getting snapped in half, thankfully my dealer had the coupler I'd broken *in-store* even though the 266 isn't sold anymore it's now the 2620) so IMO a good pole-saw is pretty requisite, a pole-saw + 2(minimum)climb saws + 1(minimum) ground-saw/big-bar saw, only way to ensure having "proper tools for the jobs" as you work-through a dismantle starting with lil branches (w/ 2511 and/or 2620), progressing through top-handles, and finishing with rear-handles... Out of curiosity, why would you want a thicker gauge setup for removals? I've always thought thinner=better (and figure stihl does better here, on average, than most companies), can't understand why you'd wanna make any wider of a cut than necessary and would think you'd just go with "thinnest gauge you can safely use for a given bar&chain length" (ie a 24" bar&chainn at 0.043" would be flimsier) Thanks for any thoughts/insight, am quite new still but your comment is so in-line w/ how I see things (which is pretty contrary to standard forum-talk wherein it's "this saw is betterrr than that saw" when doing apples-to-oranges comparisons) Do you own/like Stihl? I owned a 194t for a day (2d actually), shameful impulse-buy that thankfully Stihl stepped-in and allowed/forced dealer to allow return (w/o the $130 re-stock fee they asked when I went back hours after purchase w/ un-touched saw - was a display-unit to begin w/..), thing felt so cheap in-hand I mean I would sooner drop my $140 'chinese clone" ebay-chainsaw (my 25cc/12") or my "tanaka" ($230, 33cc top-handle another ebay/amazon type unit) before the 194t hell I'd drop either of them from a higher height & be confident they'd take more force-before-failure than the 194, you could just feel how cheap the plastic was (see-through reservoirs, and 1/4 turn reservoir-caps, were boss though!) Anyway after swapping my $350 from the 194t to a 355t - and realizing I wouldn't trade my 355t for a 201t - it left me thinking "if you wanna spend more for luxury, Husqvarna has you covered. If you wanna get high-quality parts&performance for an outstanding value, Echo's got you. If you wanna pay nearly Husq-prices, for sub-echo quality gear, Stihl's got you... Honestly can't reconcile their popularity, maybe it's people like me who get them, realize they paid a substantial premium $$ for it to be stihl-branded, and instead of acknowledging a bad-purchase they double-down in proclamation of how superior Stihl is....hold a 194t, feel it go on/off or revving...there's no secret sauce it is a good chainsaw but sold for close to 2x what it should be (just like the 201)
The big difference is is fatigue. Some people get injured in the morning before their coffee has a chance to stimulate their wakeful condition. Most accidents happen later in the day and especially near quitting time. You can even see the effect in sports. Ask yourself why the Yankees have a closer to pitch the last innings. Without a closert, we have to pace ourselves to get through the day. The client is nott paying us to get a sore arm, we get paid to saw wood. Getting over tired is hazardous. Maybe you want to use the Husqvarna before lunch and the Echo afterwards. Now think about when you would want to reverse that order. Saving the heavy lifting for last is usually bad planning.
Very true, I push my self hard when working but when it come to potentially ending my by injury by a machine, I force myself to take a break or call it a day.
We have 10 top handle saws , it's the 2 echo cs2511 's that get used the most . The handle feels just right in your palm , they dont clog up in the clutch cover when cutting small material , good performance and super lightweight make these unbeatable. Speed cut nano kits are available to change to mini 325 pitch
all my saws are from stihl. BUT for arboristwork i prefere the Echo CS-2511TES with customized Stihl-bar which belongs to the MS151 and 1/4" chain. 100g less weight. 10% faster than original.
I've had a CS 341 with 14 inch bar for close to 30 years. It's getting old, and I'm getting old.(68) It's still my favorite saw, but I think I'll pick up one of these 2511T's. I'm going to put a 12-in bar on it. That'll probably take off another 6 ounces. It will be almost half the weight of the CS 341. I also have a PPT261 Power Pruner. It has a 12-in bar. It has shown me a 12-in bar will take care of about 80% of light limbing and pruning.
The only problem I've found with my CS25 is over using it. Not a pro here, but when I need to use my bigger cheaper saws, and save the little ferrari for when I'm up in a tree and/or smaller limbing, I always seem to pick up the little one first...
I'd be nice if anyone would do just that,don't think I've seen a guy yet review climbing saws and test them out with say a hour at least in the tree,but a days work per saw would be a good review. we shall wait and see
11:58 Echo CS-355T (35.8cc, 8 lbs.) is more similar T540XP (37.7cc, 8.6 lbs.) . The CS-355Tcost about $350 so a lot less expensive also. Those two Would have been a more apples-apples comparison. BTW I have a CS-355T (12" bar), CS-352 (14" or 16"), PPT-265 14' power pruner (10"), and PAS-280 (28.1cc) with pole pruner (10" ) for brush and saplings. Although CS-352 seems to have more power, I will grab the Top Handle CS355T nearly always unless there are big limbs to cut............The CS-2511T is super light, would get one if bigger brother not already in use.
Completely agree. I use the CS-355T and love it! A small exhaust mod and it becomes a beast. I would put it up against the T540XP. I am considering adding the 2511 for lighter climbing.
If you are pruning in a tree, weight is king, the Echo wins. if you are limbing and topping conifers, there is more to think about. If you have to limb walk and rig, the Echo wins. The Husky will cut the bigger limbs faster, but the extra weight may mean the difference between needing a baby sitter and falling asleep in front of the TV at the end of the day. If the extra weight only saves you a minute or two during the day, you are paying a high price in fatigue for very little extra productivity. Since most accidents occur when someone is fatigued, that is a very high price to pay. To quote Wyatt Earp, "Fast is fine, but accuracy is final."
Great video... I recently purchased an Echo CS-2511 T-12 chainsaw and I do have to say, it’s a pretty awesome machine. I would highly recommend it for someone looking into buying a compact chainsaw.
Just to show I'm fair, I carry Husqvarna and Echo on the truck. Both top handles are Echo a 355T and a CS 2511T, I can't remember the last time I got the 355 out. The 2511T out of the box "sucks" in my opinion and that is due to the bar and chain, I would like to know why they stuck that .375/ .050 chain and bar on that saw. I could see your saw jumping in the cut just like mine did, they sell it with the 1/4" bar and chain set up in the UK. If you set that saw up with a modified(for oiling) 14" 1/4-.043 Stihl bar and chain and swap the sprocket you won't think that the Husky is so bad. You also didn't mention the difference in warranty. For a consumer the echo comes with a 5 year, commercial one year. The Husqvarna consumer get's 2 year(can be bumped to 4 with purchase of their fuel) and 1 year commercial. You made a good vid, thanks
Great feedback! Not sure why but the CS-355T is not a good seller in our area for some reason. And this is an area with a lot of Echo dealers that move a lot of equipment.
Great video E., exactly what I was looking for. One thing I never hear about on videos is the life longevity of these saws. I know that in the 80's I used an echo saw climbing every day for a few years before replacing it. I'm guessing that the quality of Echo is getting better in every aspect. I'm looking forward to doing my next job with the Echo 2511 T. Thanks.
The CS-590 Timber Wolf is a great saw, but I'd take a Husqvarna 562XP over it. The 562XP has an even better power to weight ratio and the AutoTune gives it a big advantage once you know how to properly operate the saw and maintain it. The CS-590 Timber Wolf and a Husqvarna 460 Rancher are comparable models but the CS-590 will usually get the vote from any one who has a hard time deciding because it has a lower MSRP.
@@EshlemaniaTV looks to me no matter what is said you are going to down talk echos lmao the husky 562 xp cant come close to the timber wolf in performance or weight or longevity have ran many brands over the years have to say echo and shindaiwa are best power to weight saws ever made and they last but to each their own
Did you watch this video? Cause if you did, I'm not sure how you can say that no matter what I'm going to down talk Echo saws. The 562XP and the 590 timber wolf are nearly identical in weight. But the 562xP is rated at 4.7hp and the 590 timber wolf is rated at 3.9 hp. That's not opinion, that's coming from manufacturer specs. The 562XP has the slightly slanted cylinder which allows for a lower front handle and makes it seem lighter because it can be rolled with less effort. Not saying the 590 is a bad saw at all and know where in there am I putting down Echo saws.
I have the Echo CS2511tes it is awesome apart from the fact that the stud that the bar bolts to comes loose. The power to weight use it all day is unbeatable, but after time when you go to undo the nut holding the chain bar the stud unthreads out of the plastic housing. I never dropped it always used with care and was extremely disappointed when stud came loose. I returned it to where I purchased it from and they sent it away for repair and they ended up giving me a new one under warranty. Then within a few months of using the new one the stud came loose. Major disappointment. Instead of returning it again I drilled and tapped out the hole the stud came out of and threaded in an M8 x 1.5 hex-head bolt through the housing from the inside the of fuel tank, plus did another mod so it now has 2 studs which worked well and lasted a lot longer than the original stud until it developed a fuel leak which I managed to fix with a couple of other mod's and it's still going strong but not sure how long for. I've also have a Stihl 192T but I'm would much rather use the Echo CS2511tes because I mostly climb and prune palm trees and I can use the Echo all day long without any wrist fatigue. It may be that the fiber in the palm fronds works the saws harder and contributes the the stud coming loose but I've found other people online have had the same problem. It's a shame because it preforms so well in every other way: easy to start, light weight, hi-revving, cuts well, and made well in every other way etc... you would think that they could engineer the fitting of the bar stud so that it just can't come out, even if it means adding a few extra grams or oz it weight and a few extra $ to the price. I would have 2 studs with large flanges that are moulded into the plastic housing rather than just 1 that is only held in with a course thread. I would love to get another one but I want wait until Echo sorts out and fixes this issue or Stihl or Husqvarna come out with a top handle saw with similar weight and performance.
Husqvarna came out with the T525 in 2019 as a competitor for the Echo CS-2511T. It's a few ounces heavier than the CS-2511T but slightly more power. It also is more expensive than the Echo
@@EshlemaniaTV Neat thanks! Had no idea that existed, the 2511 was going to be my next saw (just got their amazing 355t) but I love Husqvarna and would love having a new echo & new husq to see how they fare over-time (my existing Husq equipment was 2nd-hand although it's still reliable as can be, and quality-of-build and parts is clear!) Stihl needs to really revamp their 150 platform to compete here (or just be 1st-to-market w/ the 1st litthium unit that's fully suitable for 16" bars and out-performs a 540xp although I think husq's newest lithium does just that....can't wait for a couple years from now when all climb saws are lithium, no need for the issues w/ petrol on sub-50cc machinery w/ today's Li-Po technology and it's just getting better!
Husky makes lighter top handle saws than the 540xp, for me it comes down to dealer support. Echo around here is a big box store saw and Husky and Stihl have dealers who can service them.
Echo dealers all over the dam place where I live. Power sports dealers box stores, farm supply centers. You name it. I believe echo is taking over the handheld power equipment game
Well made vid! Problem is, the Husq is a professional climbing saw and if I’m doing a take down it’s the minimum I would start with. A climber needs a saw that can handle the biggest possible stuff before having to go to a back handle saw. I use the 540 with a 14” bar and it’s perfect even beyond its bar length. I may choose the Echo for pruning but it’s definitely not a competitor to the 540 in terms of a professional climbing saw.
Hows the t540 vs the 201. I have the 2511t but im tired of stihls i have bought 3 201s in 2 years the dealer says its chraper to nuy a new one. If they keep messing up i dont want them. Stihls are like Mercedes use them for a little amd throw them away.
I get about a year out of 201's, then sell them on eBay once they start giving my shit. Just picked up the 540xp, it's a beast. Not sure on the longevity, but very happy with it. With a tree biz, climbing saws just get hammered daily!
just bought the echo i have 540 xp so heavy to the echo i also have the husky top handle cordless thats a great saw but just battery power only lasts about hour continus cutting bitt disapointed with the 540 xp as when i bought it the bar welds came away must of had 3 bars in space of year also not well made as the older huskys but the cordles husky no problems been 4 years now with that thats y i bought the echo t day fed up with the 540 always something going wrong with it
(way)tl;dr- At the end you phrase the 2511 as such an outstanding top-handle that even a 540 shouldn't "Sway" a buyer... While I agree the 2511 may be the most-impressive "state of the art" saw ever produced, it is anemic for chunking-out a spar and as such it's apples-to-oranges (or "false premise"/false-dichotomy) to use a paradigm of "versus", the 540 (and echo 355t) are top-of-class examples for "good 16" chunk-out climb-saws", 150's/2511's/525's are meant as your "everything but chunking" saw / 12" (or 14") saw...just like you *also* need a ground/rear-handle saw, I'd argue you "need" 2+ climb-saws (I use three, 12"/14" and 16", my 12" will be a 2511 soon enough and my 16" is an echo 355t, slightly inferior to the 2X as-expensive 540xp, comparable-to(slightly-better IMO but comparable-enough) to the 2X as expensive 201t which sadly isn't superior like the 540xp is (excepting visible-fuel windows and 1/4-turn caps, only things I yearn for from a Stihl top-handle...but wouldn't take those features at-the-expensive of a saw that feels like it'll break *sometthing* if you dropped it 1' onto asphalt, not even my $135 chinese saw feels so dainty!) IE you say after getting your 2511t you'll be "done" so far as climb-saws....you won't be, you'll be done so far as 90-95% of climbing-saw-work but those 1st times you've gotta be able to control a fall using a 16" that can move-quick in-the-cut you will most certainly realize you're not done and a mid-30cc's machine is hugely valuable!! Unless you don't mind going from 2511t to a rear-handle 40cc type unit, I guess it's a fair argument to use rear-handles for whatever a 2511 can't easily push-through but if you want top-handle as-long-as-possible during a dismantle you need mid-30cc's to drive a 16" with appropriate power/speed! Looking at your comparison-chart @12min (thanks, screen-shot that for myself!) it is almost uncanny in how-well it shows that it's as "apples-to-oranges" as-can-be! IE- the 540 is about "50% more-saw", in price / HP / weight / fluid-capacities and cylinder-displacement! At the start you accurately mention how popular both units are however when saying that, and through the video, there's this parradigm of "versus" (hmm, in a video titled "versus", shocker! ;D ), I'd argue that's a false-premise (am sure others have already said the same!) I'm a small guy, when I'm climbing I want my 25cc/12" (sadly *not* a 2511t, YET!) and would move-up to my 32cc/16" as-needed, then right back to my 12". Just got a 355t, comparable to a 540 or 201, swap its 14" setup to my 1.6HP 32cc powerhead and put the 16" on the 355t, giving: 12"/25cc, 14"/32cc, 16"/35.8cc This "arsenal" approach lets you use your lil saw as-often-as-possible, up-switching as-needed - you obviusly aren't going to chunk-down a spar w/ your 25cc/12" machine, and you obviously don't wanna carry your 16" 540XP through the entire job....this isn't about "better/worse" but "right tool for the job", would say the 540xp is "worthy" and the autotune sounds amazing (and husq is just tops, love my 125B!) but w/ the 355t so darn close and half its price it becomes kinda clear in my eyes-- a 2511t + 355t combo is the absolute best-value an arborist can get for climbing, won't get-into rear-handleds for when you're down to a 5' wide / 10' tall stump but for top-handled/climbing saws a 2511 and 355t(or 540 or 201), fit w/ 12" and 14-or-16" respectively, is where it's at :D You'd mentioned the 540 as "too much" (or implied as much), and for *most* in-tree cutting you're very right, but speed-of-cut matters and if I had a diesel 11.5" wide cut on an Oak spar and hinging/fall-direction really mattered, I would want tthe power/speed of the 2HP+ machines not the 2511, and obviously further down-spar you simply need the 540/355/201 to properly move a 14--->18" to chunk-out until it's time for a rear-handle -- actually that's another way to put it, "I wouldn't say my larger rear-handled ground-saws are better/worse than my climb-saws, just *different* saws", a comparison for the 2511 would be stihl 150t (husq doesn't have one as far as I know, their smallest are the 30cc 435t and that lithium unit that's >7lbs) VERY well-done vid, heck I took screenshots of some of those side-by-sides just for the next time I'm on the forums and ^this topic of "there's no such thing as 'an optimal climb saw'" comes up, so obvious why having *both*, and using that 2511 mostly & the 540(or 355 or 201) as-needed, is the optimal approach for a climbing-arborist! (PS- I've gotta wonder if you couldn't modify a 2511 to actually be a "removal saw"....haven't seen anyone dyno one yet but if you did every last mod to the 2511 and used the best 16" bar w/ most-aggressive, perfectly sharp 16" chain, have to imagine it's "capable" I mean let's not forget what they made-do with just 15yrs ago! But, again Re lithium, in a year or two they'll have worked-out the form-factors and you'll be able to make slick 3HP lithium top-handles under 8lbs and petrol-top-handles will become obsolete, mark my words -- I welcome it, I mean petrol "feels good" but it's messy and makes the machines need way more maintenance / require more repairs and that's using only canned-fuel, will welcome a 2.5HP 7lbs lithium unit that just needs re-charges and bar-oil top-offs ;D
Husqvarna came out with the T525 to compete with the Echo CS-2511T. The T525 is slightly heavier than the CS-2511T, but much lighter than the T540XP. The T525 does not have Autotune.
If your images are legit - the Echo has a far more aggressive chain - which will influence outcomes. I possess both echo and husky tools & I love them both. Chainsaws? I would take the Husky.
should be comparing the husky to a stihl 200t about the same cc also the echo is lighter than a feather and its a climbing trim saw not built to cut fire wood thats what bigger saws are for
The Husqvarna T540XP is a climbing saw. It is a top handle arborist saw complete with attaching points for climbing. It was supposed to be the most powerful arborist saw, but it's just too heavy to use continuously. The popularity of the Echo CS-2511T was a big reason why Husqvarna had to rethink things and come out with the T525.
The huskavarna t540 xp is not compatible with the echo cs-2511t its a 25cc against a 35.2cc chainsew the echo 335t 35.8cc chainsew is compatible with the huskavarna t540xp
When I was younger YES I could carry heavy power tools BUT as you get older and am nearly in my 50s now, the Echo would be great!. Am in a company where we are now a ageing work force and a lot of young guys now are too busy looking at their phone now!
Thanks for the feedback!
We’ve used that little 2511 for most of our work on the ground and in the air. It’s been a fantastic saw, I did tons of research on this one and the ms194t.. most guys said lighter is usually best for you in the long haul and that stihl was around 7.3 lbs dry weight but those 2-3 pounds make a difference throughout the day! Echo has stepped up their game and they’ve always been reliable. Also have 2 echo 341s but again, they’re a bit heavier and found us using the 2511. Great video and really good point of view!
I got both I use echo for just trimming and the 194 I use it for removals of big lambs
I'd rather go with a lighter weight than power especially being almost 50 years old, but to each his own and God bless ya.
Being able to keep going at a steady pace all day long is a good trade for giving up that little difference in power.
@@EshlemaniaTV Agreed, take care.
I'm still happy with my MS 200s. Got three of em.
I own both saws my my echo 2511t with a 12 inch 1/4 .043 is my go to saw for limbing and trimming
My t540 with a 16 inch 3/8 lp .050 is my removal saw of choice
Yup! I'll have a 2511 soon-enough but I just got a 355t (2.1HP/35.8cc) for my 16" and had:
25cc/1.2HP for 12", and
33cc/1.6HP for 14" (used to push my 16", when I just-got this new 355t w/ a 14" setup I traded the two :P )
I'm strong for my size but a real small guy, size of saw matters a lot especially if you're "a bad guy" and 1-hand like I do (love the 355t's palm-rests, am making a larger custom one now actually :D ), so having the right tools for the job makes all the difference (also have a ppt-266, echo's high-end 25cc extend-pole-saw but it's currently being rebuilt after getting snapped in half, thankfully my dealer had the coupler I'd broken *in-store* even though the 266 isn't sold anymore it's now the 2620) so IMO a good pole-saw is pretty requisite, a pole-saw + 2(minimum)climb saws + 1(minimum) ground-saw/big-bar saw, only way to ensure having "proper tools for the jobs" as you work-through a dismantle starting with lil branches (w/ 2511 and/or 2620), progressing through top-handles, and finishing with rear-handles...
Out of curiosity, why would you want a thicker gauge setup for removals? I've always thought thinner=better (and figure stihl does better here, on average, than most companies), can't understand why you'd wanna make any wider of a cut than necessary and would think you'd just go with "thinnest gauge you can safely use for a given bar&chain length" (ie a 24" bar&chainn at 0.043" would be flimsier)
Thanks for any thoughts/insight, am quite new still but your comment is so in-line w/ how I see things (which is pretty contrary to standard forum-talk wherein it's "this saw is betterrr than that saw" when doing apples-to-oranges comparisons) Do you own/like Stihl? I owned a 194t for a day (2d actually), shameful impulse-buy that thankfully Stihl stepped-in and allowed/forced dealer to allow return (w/o the $130 re-stock fee they asked when I went back hours after purchase w/ un-touched saw - was a display-unit to begin w/..), thing felt so cheap in-hand I mean I would sooner drop my $140 'chinese clone" ebay-chainsaw (my 25cc/12") or my "tanaka" ($230, 33cc top-handle another ebay/amazon type unit) before the 194t hell I'd drop either of them from a higher height & be confident they'd take more force-before-failure than the 194, you could just feel how cheap the plastic was (see-through reservoirs, and 1/4 turn reservoir-caps, were boss though!) Anyway after swapping my $350 from the 194t to a 355t - and realizing I wouldn't trade my 355t for a 201t - it left me thinking "if you wanna spend more for luxury, Husqvarna has you covered. If you wanna get high-quality parts&performance for an outstanding value, Echo's got you. If you wanna pay nearly Husq-prices, for sub-echo quality gear, Stihl's got you... Honestly can't reconcile their popularity, maybe it's people like me who get them, realize they paid a substantial premium $$ for it to be stihl-branded, and instead of acknowledging a bad-purchase they double-down in proclamation of how superior Stihl is....hold a 194t, feel it go on/off or revving...there's no secret sauce it is a good chainsaw but sold for close to 2x what it should be (just like the 201)
The big difference is is fatigue. Some people get injured in the morning before their coffee has a chance to stimulate their wakeful condition. Most accidents happen later in the day and especially near quitting time. You can even see the effect in sports. Ask yourself why the Yankees have a closer to pitch the last innings. Without a closert, we have to pace ourselves to get through the day. The client is nott paying us to get a sore arm, we get paid to saw wood. Getting over tired is hazardous. Maybe you want to use the Husqvarna before lunch and the Echo afterwards. Now think about when you would want to reverse that order. Saving the heavy lifting for last is usually bad planning.
Very true, I push my self hard when working but when it come to potentially ending my by injury by a machine, I force myself to take a break or call it a day.
Yeah but the heavy wood is the last parting the tree, it gets done last.
Well said young man I'm 70 years old next year and have never had a major mishap in a tree but seen others , through tiredness, planning is the thing
I'm 70 year old and and have never had seen some rather stupid things done through tiredness , plan ahead and think of what's below
We have 10 top handle saws , it's the 2 echo cs2511 's that get used the most . The handle feels just right in your palm , they dont clog up in the clutch cover when cutting small material , good performance and super lightweight make these unbeatable. Speed cut nano kits are available to change to mini 325 pitch
all my saws are from stihl. BUT for arboristwork i prefere the Echo CS-2511TES with customized Stihl-bar which belongs to the MS151 and 1/4" chain. 100g less weight. 10% faster than original.
Would have been cool to see the comparison with the T435.
I’ve been considering buying the 540 Xp this review is well done and very informative. Thanks a lot!!!
I've had a CS 341 with 14 inch bar for close to 30 years. It's getting old, and I'm getting old.(68) It's still my favorite saw, but I think I'll pick up one of these 2511T's. I'm going to put a 12-in bar on it. That'll probably take off another 6 ounces. It will be almost half the weight of the CS 341. I also have a PPT261 Power Pruner. It has a 12-in bar. It has shown me a 12-in bar will take care of about 80% of light limbing and pruning.
The only problem I've found with my CS25 is over using it. Not a pro here, but when I need to use my bigger cheaper saws, and save the little ferrari for when I'm up in a tree and/or smaller limbing, I always seem to pick up the little one first...
both saws being climbing saws, it would be nice to have climbing caparisons.
I mean echo it's smaller and lighter
I'd be nice if anyone would do just that,don't think I've seen a guy yet review climbing saws and test them out with say a hour at least in the tree,but a days work per saw would be a good review. we shall wait and see
@@vincentmunoz7957 buckin billy ray Smith on RUclips reviews the echo. Probably the husq too
2511 is great i just bought one. All my equipment is stihl. But i love this saw. I wish the chain brake was faster at stopping.
11:58 Echo CS-355T (35.8cc, 8 lbs.) is more similar T540XP (37.7cc, 8.6 lbs.) . The CS-355Tcost about $350 so a lot less expensive also. Those two Would have been a more apples-apples comparison. BTW I have a CS-355T (12" bar), CS-352 (14" or 16"), PPT-265 14' power pruner (10"), and PAS-280 (28.1cc) with pole pruner (10" ) for brush and saplings. Although CS-352 seems to have more power, I will grab the Top Handle CS355T nearly always unless there are big limbs to cut............The CS-2511T is super light, would get one if bigger brother not already in use.
Completely agree. I use the CS-355T and love it! A small exhaust mod and it becomes a beast. I would put it up against the T540XP. I am considering adding the 2511 for lighter climbing.
If you are pruning in a tree, weight is king, the Echo wins. if you are limbing and topping conifers, there is more to think about. If you have to limb walk and rig, the Echo wins. The Husky will cut the bigger limbs faster, but the extra weight may mean the difference between needing a baby sitter and falling asleep in front of the TV at the end of the day. If the extra weight only saves you a minute or two during the day, you are paying a high price in fatigue for very little extra productivity. Since most accidents occur when someone is fatigued, that is a very high price to pay. To quote Wyatt Earp, "Fast is fine, but accuracy is final."
Great video... I recently purchased an Echo CS-2511 T-12 chainsaw and I do have to say, it’s a pretty awesome machine. I would highly recommend it for someone looking into buying a compact chainsaw.
Just to show I'm fair, I carry Husqvarna and Echo on the truck. Both top handles are Echo a 355T and a CS 2511T, I can't remember the last time I got the 355 out. The 2511T out of the box "sucks" in my opinion and that is due to the bar and chain, I would like to know why they stuck that .375/ .050 chain and bar on that saw. I could see your saw jumping in the cut just like mine did, they sell it with the 1/4" bar and chain set up in the UK. If you set that saw up with a modified(for oiling) 14" 1/4-.043 Stihl bar and chain and swap the sprocket you won't think that the Husky is so bad. You also didn't mention the difference in warranty. For a consumer the echo comes with a 5 year, commercial one year. The Husqvarna consumer get's 2 year(can be bumped to 4 with purchase of their fuel) and 1 year commercial. You made a good vid, thanks
Great feedback! Not sure why but the CS-355T is not a good seller in our area for some reason. And this is an area with a lot of Echo dealers that move a lot of equipment.
Thx for sharing made up my mind I’m getting the echo
Thank you very good of you to explain the difference. Well done.
Glad it was helpful!
Bought echo other week brilliant would recommend built in japan as well 😁👍
USA made are same quality, I have several.
I was going to get the T-525, now I will get the CS 2511-T, because I am not a very big guy so the weight is a main factor
Thanks for the video
Great video E., exactly what I was looking for. One thing I never hear about on videos is the life longevity of these saws. I know that in the 80's I used an echo saw climbing every day for a few years before replacing it. I'm guessing that the quality of Echo is getting better in every aspect. I'm looking forward to doing my next job with the Echo 2511 T. Thanks.
have loved every echo saw i have ever ran , the power to weight is unmatched even by stihl get you a timber wolf its a beast
The CS-590 Timber Wolf is a great saw, but I'd take a Husqvarna 562XP over it. The 562XP has an even better power to weight ratio and the AutoTune gives it a big advantage once you know how to properly operate the saw and maintain it. The CS-590 Timber Wolf and a Husqvarna 460 Rancher are comparable models but the CS-590 will usually get the vote from any one who has a hard time deciding because it has a lower MSRP.
@@EshlemaniaTV looks to me no matter what is said you are going to down talk echos lmao the husky 562 xp cant come close to the timber wolf in performance or weight or longevity have ran many brands over the years have to say echo and shindaiwa are best power to weight saws ever made and they last but to each their own
Did you watch this video? Cause if you did, I'm not sure how you can say that no matter what I'm going to down talk Echo saws.
The 562XP and the 590 timber wolf are nearly identical in weight. But the 562xP is rated at 4.7hp and the 590 timber wolf is rated at 3.9 hp. That's not opinion, that's coming from manufacturer specs. The 562XP has the slightly slanted cylinder which allows for a lower front handle and makes it seem lighter because it can be rolled with less effort. Not saying the 590 is a bad saw at all and know where in there am I putting down Echo saws.
I have the Echo CS2511tes it is awesome apart from the fact that the stud that the bar bolts to comes loose. The power to weight use it all day is unbeatable, but after time when you go to undo the nut holding the chain bar the stud unthreads out of the plastic housing. I never dropped it always used with care and was extremely disappointed when stud came loose. I returned it to where I purchased it from and they sent it away for repair and they ended up giving me a new one under warranty. Then within a few months of using the new one the stud came loose. Major disappointment.
Instead of returning it again I drilled and tapped out the hole the stud came out of and threaded in an M8 x 1.5 hex-head bolt through the housing from the inside the of fuel tank, plus did another mod so it now has 2 studs which worked well and lasted a lot longer than the original stud until it developed a fuel leak which I managed to fix with a couple of other mod's and it's still going strong but not sure how long for.
I've also have a Stihl 192T but I'm would much rather use the Echo CS2511tes because I mostly climb and prune palm trees and I can use the Echo all day long without any wrist fatigue. It may be that the fiber in the palm fronds works the saws harder and contributes the the stud coming loose but I've found other people online have had the same problem.
It's a shame because it preforms so well in every other way: easy to start, light weight, hi-revving, cuts well, and made well in every other way etc... you would think that they could engineer the fitting of the bar stud so that it just can't come out, even if it means adding a few extra grams or oz it weight and a few extra $ to the price. I would have 2 studs with large flanges that are moulded into the plastic housing rather than just 1 that is only held in with a course thread.
I would love to get another one but I want wait until Echo sorts out and fixes this issue or Stihl or Husqvarna come out with a top handle saw with similar weight and performance.
Husqvarna came out with the T525 in 2019 as a competitor for the Echo CS-2511T. It's a few ounces heavier than the CS-2511T but slightly more power. It also is more expensive than the Echo
@@EshlemaniaTV Neat thanks! Had no idea that existed, the 2511 was going to be my next saw (just got their amazing 355t) but I love Husqvarna and would love having a new echo & new husq to see how they fare over-time (my existing Husq equipment was 2nd-hand although it's still reliable as can be, and quality-of-build and parts is clear!)
Stihl needs to really revamp their 150 platform to compete here (or just be 1st-to-market w/ the 1st litthium unit that's fully suitable for 16" bars and out-performs a 540xp although I think husq's newest lithium does just that....can't wait for a couple years from now when all climb saws are lithium, no need for the issues w/ petrol on sub-50cc machinery w/ today's Li-Po technology and it's just getting better!
Exactly what I wanted to see. Thanks
Hi. I am between stihl 201t and husqvarna t540 xp. Witch one is the best?
No matter which one you like more or even if you're running a Stihl, you have to to admit that the 2511T was a game changer for the chainsaw market.
I think Echo is better😊. But are you tried new Echo 2511 Wes chainsaws? They are incredible machines😍.
The CS-2511T is the ECHO saw we were using in this video...…..
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That little thing is a beast!
2511t all day!
for that size log, a 50cc saw would get you done in half the time.
Husqvarna T540XP 37.7 cc 2.4 hp.3.9 kg / Echo CS-2511T : 25cc. 7.3 lbs to 3.31 kg / Stihl MS 201 T C-M 35.2 cc 1.8 kW (2.41 bhp) 3.71 kg (8.16 lbs.)
cs-2511t 2,31kg
Husky makes lighter top handle saws than the 540xp, for me it comes down to dealer support. Echo around here is a big box store saw and Husky and Stihl have dealers who can service them.
Yep, the T525. It's much lighter than the T540XP, but slightly heavier than the Echo CS-2511T.
Sorry to hear you don’t have a small shop for your echo support. I’m fortunate in that my local guy is great and has always been helpful
Echo dealers all over the dam place where I live. Power sports dealers box stores, farm supply centers. You name it. I believe echo is taking over the handheld power equipment game
AWESOME VIDEO..... very helpful for my decision! Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Well made vid! Problem is, the Husq is a professional climbing saw and if I’m doing a take down it’s the minimum I would start with. A climber needs a saw that can handle the biggest possible stuff before having to go to a back handle saw.
I use the 540 with a 14” bar and it’s perfect even beyond its bar length.
I may choose the Echo for pruning but it’s definitely not a competitor to the 540 in terms of a professional climbing saw.
The only servicing dealer Echo has in my area sells 2511's faster than they can get em..
Came fer the banjer music, stayed fer the saw music.
Right on!
I like the little echo. Will the autotune compensate for a muffler mod? Have a good one
Great little ECHO! Enjoyed watching your video very good info!
Hows the t540 vs the 201. I have the 2511t but im tired of stihls i have bought 3 201s in 2 years the dealer says its chraper to nuy a new one. If they keep messing up i dont want them. Stihls are like Mercedes use them for a little amd throw them away.
I get about a year out of 201's, then sell them on eBay once they start giving my shit. Just picked up the 540xp, it's a beast. Not sure on the longevity, but very happy with it. With a tree biz, climbing saws just get hammered daily!
just bought the echo i have 540 xp so heavy to the echo i also have the husky top handle cordless thats a great saw but just battery power only lasts about hour continus cutting bitt disapointed with the 540 xp as when i bought it the bar welds came away must of had 3 bars in space of year also not well made as the older huskys but the cordles husky no problems been 4 years now with that thats y i bought the echo t day fed up with the 540 always something going wrong with it
Great video thanks!
I don't know why anyone would pick the husq over the echo unless your just a fan boy Which is entirely understandable
The Echo CS-2511T for arborist come under the heading of..... those who have, those who will.
Thats my next climbing saw for sure now i have a 435t
Echo is boss!
agree
(way)tl;dr- At the end you phrase the 2511 as such an outstanding top-handle that even a 540 shouldn't "Sway" a buyer... While I agree the 2511 may be the most-impressive "state of the art" saw ever produced, it is anemic for chunking-out a spar and as such it's apples-to-oranges (or "false premise"/false-dichotomy) to use a paradigm of "versus", the 540 (and echo 355t) are top-of-class examples for "good 16" chunk-out climb-saws", 150's/2511's/525's are meant as your "everything but chunking" saw / 12" (or 14") saw...just like you *also* need a ground/rear-handle saw, I'd argue you "need" 2+ climb-saws (I use three, 12"/14" and 16", my 12" will be a 2511 soon enough and my 16" is an echo 355t, slightly inferior to the 2X as-expensive 540xp, comparable-to(slightly-better IMO but comparable-enough) to the 2X as expensive 201t which sadly isn't superior like the 540xp is (excepting visible-fuel windows and 1/4-turn caps, only things I yearn for from a Stihl top-handle...but wouldn't take those features at-the-expensive of a saw that feels like it'll break *sometthing* if you dropped it 1' onto asphalt, not even my $135 chinese saw feels so dainty!) IE you say after getting your 2511t you'll be "done" so far as climb-saws....you won't be, you'll be done so far as 90-95% of climbing-saw-work but those 1st times you've gotta be able to control a fall using a 16" that can move-quick in-the-cut you will most certainly realize you're not done and a mid-30cc's machine is hugely valuable!! Unless you don't mind going from 2511t to a rear-handle 40cc type unit, I guess it's a fair argument to use rear-handles for whatever a 2511 can't easily push-through but if you want top-handle as-long-as-possible during a dismantle you need mid-30cc's to drive a 16" with appropriate power/speed!
Looking at your comparison-chart @12min (thanks, screen-shot that for myself!) it is almost uncanny in how-well it shows that it's as "apples-to-oranges" as-can-be! IE- the 540 is about "50% more-saw", in price / HP / weight / fluid-capacities and cylinder-displacement!
At the start you accurately mention how popular both units are however when saying that, and through the video, there's this parradigm of "versus" (hmm, in a video titled "versus", shocker! ;D ), I'd argue that's a false-premise (am sure others have already said the same!)
I'm a small guy, when I'm climbing I want my 25cc/12" (sadly *not* a 2511t, YET!) and would move-up to my 32cc/16" as-needed, then right back to my 12". Just got a 355t, comparable to a 540 or 201, swap its 14" setup to my 1.6HP 32cc powerhead and put the 16" on the 355t, giving:
12"/25cc,
14"/32cc,
16"/35.8cc
This "arsenal" approach lets you use your lil saw as-often-as-possible, up-switching as-needed - you obviusly aren't going to chunk-down a spar w/ your 25cc/12" machine, and you obviously don't wanna carry your 16" 540XP through the entire job....this isn't about "better/worse" but "right tool for the job", would say the 540xp is "worthy" and the autotune sounds amazing (and husq is just tops, love my 125B!) but w/ the 355t so darn close and half its price it becomes kinda clear in my eyes-- a 2511t + 355t combo is the absolute best-value an arborist can get for climbing, won't get-into rear-handleds for when you're down to a 5' wide / 10' tall stump but for top-handled/climbing saws a 2511 and 355t(or 540 or 201), fit w/ 12" and 14-or-16" respectively, is where it's at :D You'd mentioned the 540 as "too much" (or implied as much), and for *most* in-tree cutting you're very right, but speed-of-cut matters and if I had a diesel 11.5" wide cut on an Oak spar and hinging/fall-direction really mattered, I would want tthe power/speed of the 2HP+ machines not the 2511, and obviously further down-spar you simply need the 540/355/201 to properly move a 14--->18" to chunk-out until it's time for a rear-handle -- actually that's another way to put it, "I wouldn't say my larger rear-handled ground-saws are better/worse than my climb-saws, just *different* saws", a comparison for the 2511 would be stihl 150t (husq doesn't have one as far as I know, their smallest are the 30cc 435t and that lithium unit that's >7lbs)
VERY well-done vid, heck I took screenshots of some of those side-by-sides just for the next time I'm on the forums and ^this topic of "there's no such thing as 'an optimal climb saw'" comes up, so obvious why having *both*, and using that 2511 mostly & the 540(or 355 or 201) as-needed, is the optimal approach for a climbing-arborist!
(PS- I've gotta wonder if you couldn't modify a 2511 to actually be a "removal saw"....haven't seen anyone dyno one yet but if you did every last mod to the 2511 and used the best 16" bar w/ most-aggressive, perfectly sharp 16" chain, have to imagine it's "capable" I mean let's not forget what they made-do with just 15yrs ago! But, again Re lithium, in a year or two they'll have worked-out the form-factors and you'll be able to make slick 3HP lithium top-handles under 8lbs and petrol-top-handles will become obsolete, mark my words -- I welcome it, I mean petrol "feels good" but it's messy and makes the machines need way more maintenance / require more repairs and that's using only canned-fuel, will welcome a 2.5HP 7lbs lithium unit that just needs re-charges and bar-oil top-offs ;D
Husqvarna came out with the T525 to compete with the Echo CS-2511T. The T525 is slightly heavier than the CS-2511T, but much lighter than the T540XP. The T525 does not have Autotune.
i'm sold: CS2511T-12
I got one I got the Parker brand and it’s awsum
You can get real spoiled with 5he light weight echo, when climbing
No doubt!
If your images are legit - the Echo has a far more aggressive chain - which will influence outcomes. I possess both echo and husky tools & I love them both. Chainsaws? I would take the Husky.
Brand new OEM bars and chains when we started.
Cant day for sure but it seems the hisky is slower than my 201
Why are you cutting dirt?
should be comparing the husky to a stihl 200t about the same cc also the echo is lighter than a feather and its a climbing trim saw not built to cut fire wood thats what bigger saws are for
The Husqvarna T540XP is a climbing saw. It is a top handle arborist saw complete with attaching points for climbing. It was supposed to be the most powerful arborist saw, but it's just too heavy to use continuously. The popularity of the Echo CS-2511T was a big reason why Husqvarna had to rethink things and come out with the T525.
I have the echo gas tank is small
caparisons
Give to echo carving and cut for 4 second
The huskavarna t540 xp is not compatible with the echo cs-2511t its a 25cc against a 35.2cc chainsew the echo 335t 35.8cc chainsew is compatible with the huskavarna t540xp
dumb dumb watch the vid
Echo will walk all over the other one
I hope it’s better. The echo is $400 cheaper
If you can’t carry a 9 lb saw maybe you need to find a job behind a desk
We know plenty of older guys that are still climbing and having these lighter saws available is extending their careers.
Why carry a 9 lb saw when a 5 lb can get the job done?
Your mic made me throw up