This whole episode had me in tears. Barry went basically went back to the events of season 1. Just like season 1 on the first episode,nobody believed him. Not even Joe. This time around, Joe decided to have faith in Barry’s instincts. To the character growth was amazing for them both.
Era diferente amigo ahí quería regresar en el tiempo para eliminar alas fuerzas de la existencia Aquí diferente hoy era el cumpleaños del papá de Barry y pocos lo recordaban y le pasó un caso justo como el de su papá,y tienen evidencia que es inocente y todavía el equipo lo niega es claro que Barry se va a enojar
I hate how they gave up on helping barry and try to end the case. There's been so many times they never trusted barry and it makes no sence. Looks are never the truth.
I didn't say this is the best, but they clearly getting better at writing Flash story. No more villain escaping the fastest man alive and for once we get to see Barry do some good CSI works.
If there was one thing I don't like but the show does, it's that the team is always so hesitant to trust and work with Barry in these situations, but they're always so quick to turn on him or say he's wrong. Not to mention, he is still sometimes acting like he is the sole member of this team.
If Team Flash has known anything is that Barry isn't perfect and even now he could have been wrong, they had every right to be hesitant because all the evidence seem to point to him specifically, there not just gonna automatically help somebody for all they know could have been a killer, Barry was right this time though and stuff like this shows that the people around him know that he is not perfect and nor does he think he is the "sole member" of the team, you don't see him constantly begging for them to believe him in anger or frustration or something like that, he actually tries to look for clues and more evidence
Don’t you just love when Cecil won’t use her powers to see if someone’s truly innocence because apparently that’s “going too far”. But will use her powers on her own teammates any time she feels like it. She even does it on Barry towards the end of the same episode.
@@tobsonasanya4765 Yeah i understand she needs physical evidence but if she read his mind and found out he truly didnt do it, that would atleast given her the boost in effort to try harder than what she was already doing.
Barry remembers the promise he made to Dewolff in prison He doesn't want anyone potentially inocent to have to spend any time in jail That's what makes him a good guy
Mysterio : it is easy to fool people when they are already fooling themselves and they need to believe something in nowadays they will believe everything .
Still doesn't hurt to double confirm instead of assumption. It a murder case not just random case. they will do all their best to confirm everything before passing judgement.
It’s true. That super speed thinking with the ASF was his normal thinking, he was just able to hold onto thoughts easier and think MORE. Barry was always able to figure out the exact same things, Cisco can’t even compare. ASF just made it easier!
@@tobsonasanya4765 no I’m saying, the power only enhanced what was already there. With or without the power, Barry would have been capable of doing all that stuff, just slower and with emotion.
I always have thought that is the reason that Thrawne saddled Barry with a team in the first place. He wanted Barry to be dependent on others for solutions rather than coming up with solutions himself. All so Barry would be less capable as an individual hero.
I like how they can still ask Barry how he can understand other parents’ mindsets when he’s a parent himself. And the other fact is he’s a CSI for a reason, to do the dirty work behind the scenes and find the clues everyone else ignores. He’s the kinda guy who can prove a guilty man is innocent, and he’s done that countless times, so give the man some credit
Because even though Barry has "leveled up", he still isn't perfect and still could have been wrong, like just because you feel somebody is innocent doesn't always mean they are and there are literally plenty examples of this in real life
This episode is good. The flashbacks are the best and hard to watch, because the kid actor who played young Barry died years ago and he was just a young man
"he didnt skip town without his son" "How would you know" Are we really going to ignore that? Should've written a disappointed look or an angry look from Barry to Frost on the script.
Why? That was pretty logical for her to ask because father's can abandon there son's, it's sad but it can happen, plus look at it from Frost perspective, she probably thinks that maybe he could have been playing innocent to not get locked up, this has happened in cases in real life and it's not exactly uncommon, Jesus Christ y'all DC fan buffs will criticize anything that was clearly the point
@@melvinkookiecruise3888 didn't criticize anything. Funny though, that Joe was the only one who understood why Barry was trying so hard. Yet they're all supposed to be friends or know him.
@@nickolaibernar16 That's what happens when the team change. Chester is a newbie, Frost isn't there since that much time (season 3 or 4 but wasn't there all the time back then) and Cecile, I think, isn't that close to Barry. I mean, she knows stuff from back then, but we don't see them interact that much, even if they both work together sometimes. Cisco, Caitlin, even Iris would have understand it, and like you said Joe did in a scene after that. And that's why they weren't there, in this one scene. Because the writters needed to not have them so that Barry can get upset.
This Reminds Me Of The Season 1 Flash Where Young Barry Tried To Tell Them That His Father Is Innocent And Not Kill Nora Allen. To The Police Especially Joe West
I'm sick of Team Flash never taking Barry seriously lately. At this point it's a toxic environment. He's the leader of the team and no one will listen to him, and literally everyone on the team's pulling a double standard in this situation. Take Cecile, for example. Did we forget how we got Allegra on the team in the first place. Plus, for an empath, she's the least empathetic person I've ever seen. (At least since Eric Wallace started on the show.) She may be able to read emotions but she's a huge gaslighter at this point. Everyone keeps questioning Barry's intelligence and sanity and I'm sick of it. I'm tired of them all getting into arguments when they ought at least to give his opinion a shot, it's clearly important to him and he's set on it. But they keep just writing it off as "oh, that's just barry being overly emotional again, for no stupid reason, let's all gang up against him and his ideas and shoot him down cause clearly he doesn't know better" Like, Cecile. Stop pretending you've never been emotionally set and attached on a mission that violated your job's restrictions. FROST. For literally EVERY SINGLE QUESTIONABLE VILLAIN you've been all, 'give them a chance!' but when it's Barry, you think he's an idiot.
@@mariastephens1827 Ok well for starters, just because Barry is the leader and has "leveled up" doesn't mean he's perfect and always right, he could have been wrong but luckily he was correct and Team Flash are people he cares about and it gives his character more vulnerability and responsibility and makes him a more grounded leader to work with other people, I'm tired of everyone saying he should not have them around and there not questioning his insanity or intelligence, there questioning his choices, even the greatest of leaders have made terrible choices and are capable of them too and they don't think he is an idiot either there just basing this off of pure evidence, for them to just automatically take Barry's word would be a risk because what criminal doesn't plead that there innocence? That's like saying we should all take government leaders words on what or who plead innocent just because there leaders, that's not how it works, like do I really have to say that
@@melvinkookiecruise3888 I see what you mean. I have to point out you did misunderstand where I was coming from here. I wasn't saying that because he's the leader he shouldn't be questioned. No, that's a stupid viewpoint and you're right to disagree with it. This is the way I see it: Every time Barry feels strongly about something lately, the team feels the need to shoot him down, even demean him. By the time they're done yelling at him it just seems like they think he has no rationality. And I hate that. He deserves more respect as a human being. On top of that, I was pointing out how much of a bunch of hypocrites his team his, because yes, it's a bit iffy for Barry to insist on the criminal's innocence based upon an emotional attachment he has to some idea or memory. But literally both Cecile and Frost have done that exact thing, and yet they're calling Barry stupid for it. This is where I'm coming from. Believe me I don't think authority is always right, quite the contrary. I think what I meant to say was that Barry is the one who's the leader and yet the whole team are treating him like an absolute child who has no idea what he's talking about. And I hate that.
@@mariastephens1827 Yeah but there not calling him stupid, clearly, like seriously where the hell is everyone getting that from? There just simply iffy about the situation, which is reasonable at best, besides they clearly do respect him seeing as they are literally searching for more evidence all throughout this dang episode despite being iffy and staying along side Barry, besides they don't do this all the time and they question him and think about it for a second not because they're against him or don't respect him, but because they look at it from another standpoint because again they don't fully know if that's true, like if the president of the United States were to come out and say that a certain convicted man on trial was innocent, you think everyone is gonna listen to that? No, if anything it's realistic for Team Flash to have different perspectives on the situation instead of just them automatically believing him without proper evidence and we have a short ass episode, do the Avengers always listen to Captain America? No, if that were the case Civil War would be a whole different, probably more sadder, and not to mention not as interesting story
I was jumping after watching this scene this is the berry i've always wanted he said fuck you team flash i don't need you i can do it on my own that's my boy and he talked about his father again oh my goodness this finally made me feel like i used to about this show maybe not exactly but close enough
Now that would suck. Team Flash is important but shouldn’t be a crutch. Like how in the episode he asks Chester to see the underground magma (or whatever). Also people like frost are important as their ability’s can come in handy too.
@@pallavsingh8932 ok let's word it like this, let's say this show WAS just Barry. No team just...barry. wouldn't be that exciting because he has no one to banter off of
I fuckin hate when they write the whole team basically against Barry and saying he’s “stupid” in his expertise which is being a fuckin CSI and finding clues to solves crimes and team flash thinks that they’re smarter than Barry in his own field of expertises, that’s not how this shit works whatsoever
I like how when he says there's no witnesses Frost says that there's no witnesses that are still alive but there were no witnesses in the first place since the only witness they had had left the building hours before the crime was committed.
barry he's the only person in this clip at the beginning of the video with a brain and "common sense" he clearly stated at the beginning of the video there was no evidence against the guy and he was innocent. but their still saying he's guilty. there is no evidence no motive and the guy had an alibi he was at a concert with his son and his kid is a witness to him being there. but they say that the guy burch broke out of jail so he must be guilty which is ridiculous and asinine logic because okay then by that logic then everyone who runs or breaks out of jail is guilty there is no evidence here if fact like barry said the evidence is more in burch's favor. chester also really pissed me off here when he said there was motive no there wasn't what "motive." the guy had an argument with a bartender and got into a fight with her the day before then she winds up dead a day later. that isn't proof/evidence and i wouldn't even call that circumstantial evidence and a judge would "laugh" that out of the "building." 🏢 people try to use that argument all the time and it doesn't work well he ran he ran so he must be guilty uh not necessarily. these people obviously never saw the movie "the fugitive" with Harrison Ford. it is ridiculous and absurd when they tell Barry that he only believes burch is innocent because the case is personal for him okay how the hell do you figure that just because the case is about a father and a son doesn't make the case personal barry just thought about the case logically listened to his "hunches" his "gut" and "instinct" he used "common sense" which the rest of "team flash" don't have and he also followed the evidence which there wasn't any. but the main reason i think that they should have listened to Barry is because he's a forensic scientist it's his job so if he says a person didn't do it because the science says it's impossible for it to be that person and it had to be someone else then they should listen.
Don't you mean he tries to convince team flash that the fire meta is innocent.. when you say flash tries to convince team flash that he's innocent you are referring to Barry Allen is trying to convince his team that he didn't do anything bad...
@@ericgarza966 I know right. I don't know why this RUclipsr every time he makes a post or a video with a title title it just doesn't make any f****** sense
@@tobsonasanya4765 are you confused? His title literally States Barry Allen tries to convince his team that he's innocent. That refers to that this person is trying to say that Barry Allen tries to convince the team that Barry Allen is innocent. You know just like you say something like my best friend loves his hamburger but he doesn't like the fries. You see that you explain the person's name and then you don't repeat the name you explain it with either he or she or his or her. This is basic Elementary 3rd grade English!
@@ericgarza966 yeah I think it was about maybe three months ago this RUclipsr made a post and it had no punctuation it was a complete mess.. he even misspelled words and didn't understand between the words like you are and your so it was extremely hard to read
I'm angry with the producers of the flash 😡😡 in this case merge people who can help Barry and give him advice that is Joe and Iris may I know why you separated them????? That's they no longer behave like husband and wife.
Why wouldn’t he be bounce things off of Joe who has 30 years police/detective experience. & WTF is Iris? Here are all the old regulars except Iris! And I don’t even mean at STAR labs, just him and her talking at the loft for a short scene. Him conveying how frustrated he is at this case and the reminders to his dad. What is the purpose of Cecile at STAR labs? I always felt like they increased her role too much with the empath BS.
Well 1, Iris isn’t a main member of team flash anymore, and we all fucking love it. She’s doing so much better with her own thing at CC citizen. Her being “team leader” or even a part of team flash was always so forced because she has no actual experience in anything they were doing. She had a bunch of screen time with Allegra, and that was good. Now, I agree they’ve kinda forced Cecile at star labs, but tbh I don’t mind. She works in law enforcement, and Joe doesn’t anymore. So it’s like she’s taken Joe’s spot on the team as the wise elderly law enforcement worker with all the experience. I mean she has been working in law as long as Joe has. But i do feel like she’s been a bit irritating in s8. That was mainly because of Armageddon tho, but now she’s just fine
But you are kinda right in the sense that as Barry’s partner, she needs to be with him to talk about these things. But honestly it’s so much more enjoyable when she isn’t with Barry bro istg
@@nate3809 Reading is fundamental!!. I said at HOME talking about how frustrated he was about the case. She is a reporter and so just bouncing ideas by her is a great idea, being a member of team flash NOT required. She doesn’t have to be a scientist to have ideas! And quite frankly Team Flash is not supporting him at all right now. That wasn’t ever really a problem with Iris, his wife, confidant and BFF. When nobody else believed him about his dad or him doing the impossible iris believed in and supported him, her faults aside!!
Kinda of hate the new team flash here, in the past they working tgt and even when they disagree but now it seem like they just want to justify themselves and prove they are right. Just because they have power and motive does not always mean they did it, all they can do is just check again to make sure instead of judging.
@@tobsonasanya4765 Nope. Caitlin snow is the OG member, not Frost. Frost came around zoom time and this one is the manifest of it. Even their behavior, thought and function are different and They already mentioned they are two different person.
@@tobsonasanya4765 that is actually the main point, both side does not have enough evidence. So the correct things should be to investigate some more to get proof(which is what barry want), not assumption and judge the moment they find motive and he have the ability to do so. It is murder case of 2 persons, But they already judge the moment they found something advantage to them. It is bias. * Imagine this is a team of a superheroes which supposed to protect the innocent. Without barry, they will have send the man to jail.
So they subbed out Cisco for social credit score. Seems replaced Iris with Cecil. Then decided to have Caitlin always be Killer Frost, which might be the only reasonable idea. The Flash does not need a team to quarterback him. Why have they not moved towards the Flash that goes more independent? A lot cheaper cost wise and better story options.
Barry is literally a CSI, why won't they trust him on this. Even when there's no direct evidence. How are they so okay with sending an innocent person to jail. And then gaslighting barry, this episode pissed me off.
It annoys me how often team flash doesn't trust barry, especially since he's normally right and in this case he's literally a csi so the most qualified to judge the situation really and yeah the justice system is not fair, at all.
I think it was dumb for Barry to assume he was innocent just because he had that same experience with his dad. What guilty murderer doesn’t try to protest their innocence?
No Barry clearly says that there is no direct evidence against that burch. But still he can be convicted. This same happened with Henry Allen. That’s why Barry is trying hard to prove him innocent
Exactly my point on why Team Flash was hesitant, thank you so much for being smart and actually seeing the point instead of blindly criticizing like most of these people are
This ep is so bad I swear they have all forgotten how killer frost was lol just bc it isn’t someone who they see every day there opinions are different lol
You know just like if you were trying to talk about your friend enjoying a hamburger you would say my friend Caitlin really likes her hamburger, you wouldn't say my friend Caitlin really likes another person's hamburger LOL when she's physically eating her own I'm not trying to act like a grammar Nazi, but however if you are unable to write a title properly for people to understand what's going on in a video or in a piece of literature you clearly need to go back to school and learn how to properly write. Yes it's a very small mistake but the small mistake is something that people learn in the third grade.. I don't know maybe it's true School these days don't teach kids anything versus how it was when I was in school between 1995 and 2009
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This whole episode had me in tears. Barry went basically went back to the events of season 1. Just like season 1 on the first episode,nobody believed him. Not even Joe. This time around, Joe decided to have faith in Barry’s instincts. To the character growth was amazing for them both.
Love how the writers made up for 7x09 by having Barry solve the problem himself and actually be right about it
I mean those were different case lol
Era diferente amigo ahí quería regresar en el tiempo para eliminar alas fuerzas de la existencia
Aquí diferente hoy era el cumpleaños del papá de Barry y pocos lo recordaban y le pasó un caso justo como el de su papá,y tienen evidencia que es inocente y todavía el equipo lo niega es claro que Barry se va a enojar
I hate how they gave up on helping barry and try to end the case. There's been so many times they never trusted barry and it makes no sence. Looks are never the truth.
I mean no evidence lol
@@luciusvik7294 Who said they gave up lol
I didn't say this is the best, but they clearly getting better at writing Flash story. No more villain escaping the fastest man alive and for once we get to see Barry do some good CSI works.
not alll villans escape though but true
The last episode with Goldface was ass ngl. The writing for him was oof.
But this one was pretty good
Its clear that they got a new birst of vision and passion for the show again. While not the best its not mind numbingly bad again
@@batman6840 it was ok though
@@tobsonasanya4765one of the better ones we’ve gotten at least
If there was one thing I don't like but the show does, it's that the team is always so hesitant to trust and work with Barry in these situations, but they're always so quick to turn on him or say he's wrong. Not to mention, he is still sometimes acting like he is the sole member of this team.
If Team Flash has known anything is that Barry isn't perfect and even now he could have been wrong, they had every right to be hesitant because all the evidence seem to point to him specifically, there not just gonna automatically help somebody for all they know could have been a killer, Barry was right this time though and stuff like this shows that the people around him know that he is not perfect and nor does he think he is the "sole member" of the team, you don't see him constantly begging for them to believe him in anger or frustration or something like that, he actually tries to look for clues and more evidence
So true
He should behave like that because of his team
Don’t you just love when Cecil won’t use her powers to see if someone’s truly innocence because apparently that’s “going too far”.
But will use her powers on her own teammates any time she feels like it.
She even does it on Barry towards the end of the same episode.
She doesn't use it anyhow though. Besides doesn't cecile need physical evidence or something
@@tobsonasanya4765 Yeah i understand she needs physical evidence but if she read his mind and found out he truly didnt do it, that would atleast given her the boost in effort to try harder than what she was already doing.
Eh but it doesn't really change much I guess
@@_dried she cant read minds. Only emotions
she's a hypocrite thats y. and i hate her character
Barry remembers the promise he made to Dewolff in prison
He doesn't want anyone potentially inocent to have to spend any time in jail
That's what makes him a good guy
Remember that this is because his father spent years in prison for a crime he didn't commit.
Finallyyyy! Making Barry be more independent and capable of working without team flash
He has done that before lol
But it’s not all about him, Team Flash is a family that works together
@@fictionverse7292 it should be about the flash tbh
@Fiction Verse it shouldn't be it's called the flash not team flash or the flash family
@@captainbeastwinger4940 still though
I Love Joe West and Caitlin
3:44 it feels like Team Flash forgot about their own motto: You need to believe the Impossible
true but they still need prove plus they don't really know birsh
That’s why the show should’ve ended after season 6 the CW doesn’t care and the writers have no idea what they’re doing anymore
Mysterio : it is easy to fool people when they are already fooling themselves and they need to believe something in nowadays they will believe everything .
@@tobsonasanya4765 yes but they can put some trust in barry
@@鄧焯文 That’s the problem with people today they don’t make any sense
Team flash gets dumber Barry has logical evidence and they don’t care
They might have their reasons maybe
They had logical evidence as well
Still doesn't hurt to double confirm instead of assumption. It a murder case not just random case. they will do all their best to confirm everything before passing judgement.
@@mhboy3530 that’s true but they were written In a way they didn’t even consider Barry could be right
what evidence
Barry doesn’t actually need them he’s smarter than all of them
It’s true. That super speed thinking with the ASF was his normal thinking, he was just able to hold onto thoughts easier and think MORE. Barry was always able to figure out the exact same things, Cisco can’t even compare. ASF just made it easier!
@@brandenmarcum430 except he los that power remember
@@tobsonasanya4765 no I’m saying, the power only enhanced what was already there.
With or without the power, Barry would have been capable of doing all that stuff, just slower and with emotion.
@@brandenmarcum430 Hmm true
I always have thought that is the reason that Thrawne saddled Barry with a team in the first place. He wanted Barry to be dependent on others for solutions rather than coming up with solutions himself. All so Barry would be less capable as an individual hero.
I like how they can still ask Barry how he can understand other parents’ mindsets when he’s a parent himself. And the other fact is he’s a CSI for a reason, to do the dirty work behind the scenes and find the clues everyone else ignores. He’s the kinda guy who can prove a guilty man is innocent, and he’s done that countless times, so give the man some credit
Why do they still doubt Barry everytime after all these years.
I know right shit is pissing me off they are so stupid how would does barry even love them
what do you mean??
@@ssjgaming1478 not surr how it is stupid there is not really evidence
Barry is sometimes wrong
Because even though Barry has "leveled up", he still isn't perfect and still could have been wrong, like just because you feel somebody is innocent doesn't always mean they are and there are literally plenty examples of this in real life
I love how they’re even referencing that Henry’s imprisonment led to Barry “Believing in the impossible”.
Man it's great seeing this Barry again the one that sticks to his guns and not the depressed hero that blindly follows team flash directions
So did The Flash stop by Frost's apartment to get her costume and wait for her to change? Or did The Flash change her outfit himself at super speed?
this comment is solid😂😂
My exact thoughts when I watched it
Vibrated her through her clothes into her suit
they have this device where she can change instantly now
Hes changed her before-
3:50 Barry took that shit personal
This episode is good. The flashbacks are the best and hard to watch, because the kid actor who played young Barry died years ago and he was just a young man
"he didnt skip town without his son"
"How would you know"
Are we really going to ignore that? Should've written a disappointed look or an angry look from Barry to Frost on the script.
Why? That was pretty logical for her to ask because father's can abandon there son's, it's sad but it can happen, plus look at it from Frost perspective, she probably thinks that maybe he could have been playing innocent to not get locked up, this has happened in cases in real life and it's not exactly uncommon, Jesus Christ y'all DC fan buffs will criticize anything that was clearly the point
@@melvinkookiecruise3888 didn't criticize anything. Funny though, that Joe was the only one who understood why Barry was trying so hard. Yet they're all supposed to be friends or know him.
@@nickolaibernar16 That's what happens when the team change.
Chester is a newbie, Frost isn't there since that much time (season 3 or 4 but wasn't there all the time back then) and Cecile, I think, isn't that close to Barry. I mean, she knows stuff from back then, but we don't see them interact that much, even if they both work together sometimes.
Cisco, Caitlin, even Iris would have understand it, and like you said Joe did in a scene after that. And that's why they weren't there, in this one scene. Because the writters needed to not have them so that Barry can get upset.
This Reminds Me Of The Season 1 Flash Where Young Barry Tried To Tell Them That His Father Is Innocent And Not Kill Nora Allen. To The Police Especially Joe West
Love that they think Barry isn't thinking clearly, but soon as he mentions Henry they're like ohhh shit mah bad
If Cecile said that I'm not thinking straight, I'd just remind her who tf runs this shit 😂
I'm sick of Team Flash never taking Barry seriously lately. At this point it's a toxic environment. He's the leader of the team and no one will listen to him, and literally everyone on the team's pulling a double standard in this situation. Take Cecile, for example. Did we forget how we got Allegra on the team in the first place. Plus, for an empath, she's the least empathetic person I've ever seen. (At least since Eric Wallace started on the show.) She may be able to read emotions but she's a huge gaslighter at this point. Everyone keeps questioning Barry's intelligence and sanity and I'm sick of it. I'm tired of them all getting into arguments when they ought at least to give his opinion a shot, it's clearly important to him and he's set on it. But they keep just writing it off as "oh, that's just barry being overly emotional again, for no stupid reason, let's all gang up against him and his ideas and shoot him down cause clearly he doesn't know better"
Like, Cecile. Stop pretending you've never been emotionally set and attached on a mission that violated your job's restrictions. FROST. For literally EVERY SINGLE QUESTIONABLE VILLAIN you've been all, 'give them a chance!' but when it's Barry, you think he's an idiot.
Do I even have to say why most of what you just said is bulls**t lol😂😂😂😂
@@melvinkookiecruise3888 Please, I could use a bit of assistance in understanding, sir.
@@mariastephens1827 Ok well for starters, just because Barry is the leader and has "leveled up" doesn't mean he's perfect and always right, he could have been wrong but luckily he was correct and Team Flash are people he cares about and it gives his character more vulnerability and responsibility and makes him a more grounded leader to work with other people, I'm tired of everyone saying he should not have them around and there not questioning his insanity or intelligence, there questioning his choices, even the greatest of leaders have made terrible choices and are capable of them too and they don't think he is an idiot either there just basing this off of pure evidence, for them to just automatically take Barry's word would be a risk because what criminal doesn't plead that there innocence? That's like saying we should all take government leaders words on what or who plead innocent just because there leaders, that's not how it works, like do I really have to say that
@@melvinkookiecruise3888 I see what you mean. I have to point out you did misunderstand where I was coming from here. I wasn't saying that because he's the leader he shouldn't be questioned. No, that's a stupid viewpoint and you're right to disagree with it.
This is the way I see it: Every time Barry feels strongly about something lately, the team feels the need to shoot him down, even demean him. By the time they're done yelling at him it just seems like they think he has no rationality. And I hate that. He deserves more respect as a human being.
On top of that, I was pointing out how much of a bunch of hypocrites his team his, because yes, it's a bit iffy for Barry to insist on the criminal's innocence based upon an emotional attachment he has to some idea or memory. But literally both Cecile and Frost have done that exact thing, and yet they're calling Barry stupid for it.
This is where I'm coming from. Believe me I don't think authority is always right, quite the contrary. I think what I meant to say was that Barry is the one who's the leader and yet the whole team are treating him like an absolute child who has no idea what he's talking about. And I hate that.
@@mariastephens1827 Yeah but there not calling him stupid, clearly, like seriously where the hell is everyone getting that from? There just simply iffy about the situation, which is reasonable at best, besides they clearly do respect him seeing as they are literally searching for more evidence all throughout this dang episode despite being iffy and staying along side Barry, besides they don't do this all the time and they question him and think about it for a second not because they're against him or don't respect him, but because they look at it from another standpoint because again they don't fully know if that's true, like if the president of the United States were to come out and say that a certain convicted man on trial was innocent, you think everyone is gonna listen to that? No, if anything it's realistic for Team Flash to have different perspectives on the situation instead of just them automatically believing him without proper evidence and we have a short ass episode, do the Avengers always listen to Captain America? No, if that were the case Civil War would be a whole different, probably more sadder, and not to mention not as interesting story
So are we not gonna talk about how Barry had to of changed frost's clothes for her?
I was jumping after watching this scene this is the berry i've always wanted he said fuck you team flash i don't need you i can do it on my own that's my boy and he talked about his father again oh my goodness this finally made me feel like i used to about this show maybe not exactly but close enough
He still needs fro some situations
In this episode the gold boots look epic
1:13 wait did Barry change Frost's clothes?
I feel like the writers don’t know what to do with Frost anymore, especially in the battle scenes
I mean the meta has fire stuff frost is cold
No they don’t
Not to mention in the main fight scene, the truck is still on fire and frost didn’t even put it out…
@@gilbertmillers4865 You all realise they was no fight scnee in this episode right
@@sijdnsd6460 she could have done it later lol also what truck
If I was Barry I’d kick them all out of team flash he don’t need them
Well he is the *paragon of love* as we all know 😂 and this show is heavily involve with LOVE 😂
I want everyone to leave team Flash... They got no purpose and they defeat the whole purpose of "The Flash"
Now that would suck. Team Flash is important but shouldn’t be a crutch. Like how in the episode he asks Chester to see the underground magma (or whatever). Also people like frost are important as their ability’s can come in handy too.
@@bananaeclipse3324 yeah but flash is rarely seen with a team right... Except with the JL and sometimes the Flash family?
No purpose ?? lol sure
Only one person was understand Barry - its Cisco
@@pallavsingh8932 ok let's word it like this, let's say this show WAS just Barry. No team just...barry. wouldn't be that exciting because he has no one to banter off of
Barry is the flash, he's one if the best detectives in the world and they all are not listening to him
Lmao sure Killer Frost, you're one to talk about "hard to believe in the impossible". Ain't you a former crook?
Her whole existence is kind of impossible lol
My, Thawne would have laughed about that situation and argument.
eh not really the same
i miss when frost was a villain
"everything within my power"
That's a strong power ngl
I fuckin hate when they write the whole team basically against Barry and saying he’s “stupid” in his expertise which is being a fuckin CSI and finding clues to solves crimes and team flash thinks that they’re smarter than Barry in his own field of expertises, that’s not how this shit works whatsoever
this was an amazing episode not my favourite but definitely top tier
Better than most.
"The science data doesn't make sense. There is no possible way it's him!"
"But... he has motive though?" thanks team flash. Thanks...
There aren't enough stories about Flash being a detective.
I like how when he says there's no witnesses Frost says that there's no witnesses that are still alive but there were no witnesses in the first place since the only witness they had had left the building hours before the crime was committed.
barry he's the only person in this clip at the beginning of the video with a brain and "common sense" he clearly stated at the beginning of the video there was no evidence against the guy and he was innocent. but their still saying he's guilty. there is no evidence no motive and the guy had an alibi he was at a concert with his son and his kid is a witness to him being there. but they say that the guy burch broke out of jail so he must be guilty which is ridiculous and asinine logic because okay then by that logic then everyone who runs or breaks out of jail is guilty there is no evidence here if fact like barry said the evidence is more in burch's favor. chester also really pissed me off here when he said there was motive no there wasn't what "motive." the guy had an argument with a bartender and got into a fight with her the day before then she winds up dead a day later. that isn't proof/evidence and i wouldn't even call that circumstantial evidence and a judge would "laugh" that out of the "building." 🏢 people try to use that argument all the time and it doesn't work well he ran he ran so he must be guilty uh not necessarily. these people obviously never saw the movie "the fugitive" with Harrison Ford. it is ridiculous and absurd when they tell Barry that he only believes burch is innocent because the case is personal for him okay how the hell do you figure that just because the case is about a father and a son doesn't make the case personal barry just thought about the case logically listened to his "hunches" his "gut" and "instinct" he used "common sense" which the rest of "team flash" don't have and he also followed the evidence which there wasn't any. but the main reason i think that they should have listened to Barry is because he's a forensic scientist it's his job so if he says a person didn't do it because the science says it's impossible for it to be that person and it had to be someone else then they should listen.
Cecil is that idiot who thought that Joe just died when Iris was believed Barry
God she's useless (I meant Cecil)
Dude... that's a different timeline...
@@RealRoboKnight and she’s useless in all of them
Don't you mean he tries to convince team flash that the fire meta is innocent.. when you say flash tries to convince team flash that he's innocent you are referring to Barry Allen is trying to convince his team that he didn't do anything bad...
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Yeah that's what I was thinking. They should've rewritten it another way
@@ericgarza966 I know right. I don't know why this RUclipsr every time he makes a post or a video with a title title it just doesn't make any f****** sense
@@tobsonasanya4765 are you confused? His title literally States Barry Allen tries to convince his team that he's innocent. That refers to that this person is trying to say that Barry Allen tries to convince the team that Barry Allen is innocent. You know just like you say something like my best friend loves his hamburger but he doesn't like the fries. You see that you explain the person's name and then you don't repeat the name you explain it with either he or she or his or her. This is basic Elementary 3rd grade English!
@@ericgarza966 yeah I think it was about maybe three months ago this RUclipsr made a post and it had no punctuation it was a complete mess.. he even misspelled words and didn't understand between the words like you are and your so it was extremely hard to read
I'm angry with the producers of the flash 😡😡 in this case merge people who can help Barry and give him advice that is Joe and Iris may I know why you separated them????? That's they no longer behave like husband and wife.
Or maybe the whole show doesn't only revolve around westallen lol
Why wouldn’t he be bounce things off of Joe who has 30 years police/detective experience. & WTF is Iris? Here are all the old regulars except Iris! And I don’t even mean at STAR labs, just him and her talking at the loft for a short scene. Him conveying how frustrated he is at this case and the reminders to his dad. What is the purpose of Cecile at STAR labs? I always felt like they increased her role too much with the empath BS.
Well 1, Iris isn’t a main member of team flash anymore, and we all fucking love it. She’s doing so much better with her own thing at CC citizen. Her being “team leader” or even a part of team flash was always so forced because she has no actual experience in anything they were doing. She had a bunch of screen time with Allegra, and that was good. Now, I agree they’ve kinda forced Cecile at star labs, but tbh I don’t mind. She works in law enforcement, and Joe doesn’t anymore. So it’s like she’s taken Joe’s spot on the team as the wise elderly law enforcement worker with all the experience. I mean she has been working in law as long as Joe has. But i do feel like she’s been a bit irritating in s8. That was mainly because of Armageddon tho, but now she’s just fine
But you are kinda right in the sense that as Barry’s partner, she needs to be with him to talk about these things. But honestly it’s so much more enjoyable when she isn’t with Barry bro istg
Cecile is a defense attorney lol
@@nate3809 thank you also she was not irritating
@@nate3809 Reading is fundamental!!. I said at HOME talking about how frustrated he was about the case. She is a reporter and so just bouncing ideas by her is a great idea, being a member of team flash NOT required. She doesn’t have to be a scientist to have ideas! And quite frankly Team Flash is not supporting him at all right now. That wasn’t ever really a problem with Iris, his wife, confidant and BFF. When nobody else believed him about his dad or him doing the impossible iris believed in and supported him, her faults aside!!
these ppl need to sstfu and listen to barry
I mean they arel listening doesn't mean they should agree with him
@@tobsonasanya4765 yes cause he knows better lol
Sounds like hulk
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Kinda of hate the new team flash here, in the past they working tgt and even when they disagree but now it seem like they just want to justify themselves and prove they are right. Just because they have power and motive does not always mean they did it, all they can do is just check again to make sure instead of judging.
Frost is the only og member here though
@@tobsonasanya4765 Nope. Caitlin snow is the OG member, not Frost. Frost came around zoom time and this one is the manifest of it. Even their behavior, thought and function are different and They already mentioned they are two different person.
@@mhboy3530 Also they barry ddi not have enough evidence and it ain't like the completely ditched him or something lol
@@tobsonasanya4765 that is actually the main point, both side does not have enough evidence. So the correct things should be to investigate some more to get proof(which is what barry want), not assumption and judge the moment they find motive and he have the ability to do so. It is murder case of 2 persons, But they already judge the moment they found something advantage to them. It is bias.
* Imagine this is a team of a superheroes which supposed to protect the innocent. Without barry, they will have send the man to jail.
So they subbed out Cisco for social credit score. Seems replaced Iris with Cecil. Then decided to have Caitlin always be Killer Frost, which might be the only reasonable idea. The Flash does not need a team to quarterback him. Why have they not moved towards the Flash that goes more independent? A lot cheaper cost wise and better story options.
He's attempting to prove that someone arrested for a crime is innocent, not himself, but ok.
Barry is literally a CSI, why won't they trust him on this. Even when there's no direct evidence. How are they so okay with sending an innocent person to jail. And then gaslighting barry, this episode pissed me off.
There's definitely a prejudice against metas in this show that they don't address enough.
Just watching this clip is exactly why people dropped the show and The CW they don’t even care anymore
Nice middle finger comment Barry
It annoys me how often team flash doesn't trust barry, especially since he's normally right and in this case he's literally a csi so the most qualified to judge the situation really and yeah the justice system is not fair, at all.
What movie site do you watch the flash on?
The cw bruh😂
@@The_Goat_24YT no one is talking to you so go find your father
I think firestorm
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@@tobsonasanya4765 blue waffles are good
@@ShadowGaming42069 lol
Como faço pra vê os episódios da 8 temporada
The flash é a melhor série tomará que tenha á 10 temporada de the flash
Are we not going to act like the old suit is back in there and he is still using the trash bright red one
Where's Joe ??
I don't really get why he even acts like they have a choice on what he does
I think it was dumb for Barry to assume he was innocent just because he had that same experience with his dad. What guilty murderer doesn’t try to protest their innocence?
No Barry clearly says that there is no direct evidence against that burch. But still he can be convicted. This same happened with Henry Allen. That’s why Barry is trying hard to prove him innocent
Yes but looking at the similarity’s he is ofc moved. Not only that though, he saw the sheer emotion from him about how much he cares for his son.
The facial expressions tell everything
Exactly my point on why Team Flash was hesitant, thank you so much for being smart and actually seeing the point instead of blindly criticizing like most of these people are
@@bananaeclipse3324 ya plus it was Henry's birthday
Why has the team gone so stupid and why are they questioning everything he's saying
I'm. Bugging or is barry the boss
This ep is so bad I swear they have all forgotten how killer frost was lol just bc it isn’t someone who they see every day there opinions are different lol
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You know just like if you were trying to talk about your friend enjoying a hamburger you would say my friend Caitlin really likes her hamburger, you wouldn't say my friend Caitlin really likes another person's hamburger LOL when she's physically eating her own
I'm not trying to act like a grammar Nazi, but however if you are unable to write a title properly for people to understand what's going on in a video or in a piece of literature you clearly need to go back to school and learn how to properly write. Yes it's a very small mistake but the small mistake is something that people learn in the third grade.. I don't know maybe it's true School these days don't teach kids anything versus how it was when I was in school between 1995 and 2009
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Bruh the cgi💀
it is ok
It's a damn low budget superhero show, besides if you think this is bad then you must hate most superhero films, some of which are great
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