And he knew he could never really have her too I think. I commented about similar stuff, he could see what she really loved and it just wasn’t him really. I’m sure she loved him, but he wasn’t treating her right. She looked like she cried all night in the video w him stretching imo 💔
I believe he did resent her.. just like Watts resented Shannan. Look how Brian spoke about her to the police. People like this have so much rage and envy. They also try and turn others on their victim. He may have lied to his parents too making gabby the bad guy. I believe he had to run bc he can’t tolerate the world knowing his true self.
I'm so tired of these men who select a beautiful, confident and outgoing partner, then later hate them for these characteristics. Also, wanting to change them too.
What attracted her to Brian? He is a slug no ambition, still being supported by Mommy and Daddy, self centered, controlling, lazy, self important. Why do young women choose delayed elementary school passive gross boys. Abby was first born. Brian the baby by 9 years. It is so sad.
Problem is their abuse strains the relationship. When they feel their loosing they’re grip on their victim or their victim may end it they really get physical.
@@andrewvalov1298 While I’ll agree that all posts are a show. I do believe that many people have come forward that knew Gabby in person and shared what kind of person she was in real life. She didn’t have a huge media presence so I don’t think people are responding based on just her posts. She was a young woman whose life was snuffed out in the prime of her life. It’s a horrible thing.
My sociopathic ex would instigate huge emotional responses from me and when the police would arrive he would switch off like a light switch and act just like Brian, super nice and cooperative, apologetic, make jokes with the officers and try to make himself look stable and in control, leaving me to look unhinged and "crazy", as he claimed. Makes me sick to watch that bodycam footage and how the officers instantly claim he's the victim even when she has marks on her face and body and one of the first things she told the police was that he was keeping her out of her van and playing keep away with her keys and was afraid he was going to abandon her there. There had even been a 911 call with witness statements he had been slapping and hitting her on a sidewalk. These officers were too caught up in the 'boys club' and their own egos to see what was really going on. How much of a loser do you have to be to murder the woman who loves you and then drive her van across the country to go camping with mommy and makes s'mores....
When i was with my abusive ex, the only time the police were called was when HE called them on me. I was terrified and he knew it. He was totally calm, even though he had just punched me in the face. Somehow it became both of our faults. I was sleep deprived and losing my grip on reality. That moment woke me up. Thank God I got away.
The "boys club" is so frustrating. It's no wonder so many women do not get help. I cringed too, when I saw that video. He just made himself look like such a happy go lucky guy. Her death could have been prevented if someone would have actually listened. Tragic. 😢
@@cm9317 exactly this and she was working so hard at the Cafe in moab the day they were seen fighting and he probably kept telling her to stop because he wanted to go the arches :smh: this is so sad
Absolutely! Every time Gabby posted she was making new friends and connecting with others that appreciated her videos. I am sure he would get jealous of any comments that were made to Gabby about her videos. She was extremely beautiful and friendly and I have no doubt her personality was very outgoing! As time went on I feel she was realizing who Brian really was….. I think she told him it was over….especially after the police encounter and the final day at the restaurant where he freaked out. It was over and gabby unfortunately told him that she was as done with him.
My ex husband was exactly this way. We would be out with friends, having a great time (I thought). Then on the way home he would tear me down for everything I did. The way I walked, the way I laughed, who I spoke to, how I spoke. Until I would be defending myself in tears, miserable forgetting the nice time we had. Because it was ruined.
My ex boyfriend would do the same… it makes you so miserable and also very self-aware and insecure when you are around people, doesn’t it? I still have this habit of re-enacting conversations in my head where I think I said something stupid and it’s as if I could hear his voice criticising everything…
On the way to a party one night - my ex husband actually told me to not to talk all night - because I "always say funny things" and he wants people to think he's "the funniest person in the room" - wish I knew about covert narcissism back then :-(
My ex was the same. He would give me a look that no one else saw which meant you have done something wrong and you will get it when we get home. When we got home he would be silent and put the children in their rooms and I would know I was going to get it! It is nearly 40 years ago and it still makes me tremble in fear
@@christinakavanagh3912 it's a thing only we can describe. I lived with this man for 25 years. He was a monster. People ask why didn't you leave.....? I agree, but when your self esteem is so broken you think it's your fault. Thank God we didn't let ourselves die. I would have died, at his hands.
I suspect Brian was the one to say “gabby you never go outside” and guilt her about it. Maybe it was a fight. Just a guess of course But I get that feeling. He was supposedly seen outdoors a lot and camping, walking, hiking. Around the neighborhood while neighbors say they didn’t see her much at all. And I get the feeling he also convinced her that she was OCD because she liked things neat and organized. Maybe she really had OCD but I think it’s likely a label he put on her. And “being mean”. Maybe even her anxiety too. Of course she could truly have these things but it seems like weapons he’d had against her to make her feel like she was the “crazy” one.
Her father said "OCD" was being used as a figure of speech, that she wasn't actually afflicted by the condition, just a tidy person, so I'm sure it was Brian making her feel inadequate and self-conscience, like narcissists do - just like when she told the police officer that he had been telling her she wouldn't be able to pull off her travel vlog and website. With sociopaths, jealousy is deadly.
Oh definitely. He is the god of the outdoors (according to him) while she never even goes outside. I love that she flipped the slight around and made a joke out of it. “Gabby Petito. Never goes outside. ✌🏼” Just that one clip really endeared her to me…like she’s one of my tribe. (She reminds me of my own 20 year old daughter, actually). We do that in my family too, when given a derogatory name, which happens a bunch unfortunately. Everybody gets a name. For example: I get Chemo treatments every 3 weeks. Sometimes about 2 or 3 days afterwards I can feel nauseous and tired and my daughters will bring a snack or meal to me in bed. By the next day I’m usually feeling better and back on my game. 👍 This gets twisted (during a rage) into “you always sit up there in your bed like the Queeeeen of Sheba and have everyone serve you!” This is hurtful at first, 1) because it’s not true…I don’t feel entitled to be served. 2) the implication that I’m…idk, faking? and 3) hello?…I have metastatic cancer…think you can cut me a break for one day? But what we do (we in the know of what’s happening) turn it into a joke to make the pain more palatable. Mostly by making memes with crowns, and occasional they will respond to me with “Yes, My Queen” 👸 👑 😂 Anyway. It’s just so heartbreaking what has happened to her. What a bright little light she was. #JusticeForGabby
@@flowersinthefire - Sadly, she would have been hugely successful if she had lived, and had a supportive partner (or even alone she would have done really well). She was a gifted, intelligent, caring young woman. RIP Gabby Petito.
@@taghreedfarhat3421 can u rephrase that? Brian was the warden; gabby was his prisoner. He had no need to hit her at prison at his parents house but once she said she was leaving with rose 8/28, that was it!
I thought the “Gabby Petito never goes outside” was such a weird thing to say given the context of her having a vlog channel and living in her van. But I have a theory about that. Narcissistic abuse involves constant character digs and insults. I bet that was something he always said to her, that she never went outside. So, now that she’s outside, in order to dodge the insults later, she has to make a dig at herself to acknowledge “yeah I never go outside but I’m outside right now.” A narcissist can’t be proven wrong. And to avoid abuse later, she had to make sure he knew he was still right about her. I hope this makes sense. It’s hard to explain it.
So so true. My ex would do similar things. Or if he was talking to someone else about our relationship it was never that he was really happy and that it was going well or that he was in love etc. It was always, "well I am not sure where the relationship is going" apparently because I didn't have the same interests as him (not all, but I was keen to do/learn them with him, he just rather do it with his mates or his ex). Or that I had issues etc. He never had my back. Then when the truth came out that he had cheated on me with his ex in the earlier days of our relationship, he got pissed qt me for not having his back and believing someone else over him. 😂
It makes total sense what you wrote. They always throw little digs then act like we are too sensitive or this or that. They always have to say something negative to ruin a happy moment. They are very petty, controlling, jealous, etc.
I said from the time.I saw him he reminded me of that monster! Shan'ann was a dear friend and we worked together. She never would've in a million years thought this would happen! 💜💜💜💜😥🙏🙏🙏 JusticeforGabby Letitbe
The images of Gabby, distraught, crying in the police body cam videos look very similar to Shanann’s selfie, where she’s also crying and visibly distraught. Plus, Brian and Chris act very similar when talking to police. So incredibly sad.
Video. She had posted one video. People keep referring to her a "youtuber" but she had only barely even started a channel. She was an aspiring youtuber. Her Instagram following was huge AFTER the story of her death. 😳
@@exitscreaming is always an act to everyone. They act mild mannered and mostly content when on the inside that's not how they are at all. They only portray that personality to get people to like them so they can manipulate them
He's like my ex husband. He's like Chris Watts. He's like every covert narcissist ever. I now have an order of protection because my ex tried to kidnap one of our children and threatened to kill the rest of us. This, after he had already gotten me completely isolated and forced me out of my work and friendships outside of the home. The control is never enough.
Even cooking breakfast every morning. Mine it was bringing coffee every morning in bed. Then the random blow ups and resentment and anger, seemingly out of nowhere. It was constant fear and anxiety and eggshells, trying to manage and predict his reactions. I'm so sorry, Gabby. You deserved so much better.
@@ser2952 do you mean he demanded a cooked breakfast everyday? I stopped cooking regularly for my partner 2 years ago due to being ill with Covid (now long Covid). He really holds it against me, even though he’s cooked me about 4-5 meals in 6 years. I used to cook that many times a week , for years.
@@SteffiNovaASMR_Replays Sister, I used to get up an hr before my ex hubby. Cook a 3 course breakfast, make his *awesome lunch & bring him coffee to wake him up w love every morning. He always found fault with SOMETHING to leave me in tears every morning when he left for work. It was his excuse for not coming home AFTER work & going to the bar. He was having an affair w the bartender.
"...the girl who never goes outside." She says this and reaches over to touch him and he looks away and moves away. From the first moment I saw this, and all the subsequent information about his 'outdoorsy' nature, I think the joke was her taking the label he put on her and in the moment she shares that, he is not amused at his words being made into a joke for others.
Kate, what abt her video where she inside the tent & it rained all night? It felt to me, that he made her stay in that tent alone all night. Just where the he'll WAS he when she was filming the rain & needed help w the tent? I think he was safely locked & secure in her van... 😣
Spot on! I said this in another comment that he is a mini Chris Watts: appears to be “meek” and “soft spoken”, even cowardly (he is), but capable of explosive rage and violence when he thinks no one is looking (like all covert narcs). Gabby, like Shan’ann, was about to shine and have other interests outside of him, and a narcissist wants to be the center of someone’s world, they want to be the center of someone’s attention with no other “competitive” elements for the spotlight- just like your coverage of why Chris Watts murdered his family. Gabby was way out of Brian’s league in every measurable metric, including the looks department, and Brian couldn’t stand the fact that she would take off and wouldn’t be so dependent and focused on him anymore. All narcs are controlling because they fear being irrelevant, or not the center of attention/control. Gabby and Shan’anns only sin was daring to be amazing, and their covert narc partners would rather kill them than see them shine 😞 RIP angels
Chris W was also a fat, floppy legs, no one would even look at when he added Shan'an (way out of his league) on FB. She was trophy material but vulnerable due to her lupus and end of a relationship. She and the children gave Chris supply. When he lost weight and start to feel more confident about his looks and got the attention of another woman who entertained him, Sha'nan and kids were already waste that he had to throw into the trash bin. It was now the time to start to live the new fantasy with his new partner (check sam vaknin for narcissist shared fantasy videos).
@@Sarablueunicorn Very well said, as with just about all of the commenters here. Clearly a cut above on this channel, which says a lot about the creator! Well done
I still don’t understand why the police didn’t arrest him when she told them that they had a physical altercation which was confirmed by bystanders. It was a huge red flag! My heart breaks every time I see this sweet girl. The horror that she must have gone through being killed by the man she loved.
She didn't press charges and the police didn't witness it. The bystanders also said she hit him which does complicate things. This was handled badly because the police are not specifically trained in how to deal with domestic assault. This is a classic example of why police should be defunded. I have a friend who is a victim of domestic assault - including rape. It still took her years to leave him. It's a very complicated issue.
Such a darling girl - what a joyful spirit she had. I pray that good things come from this tragedy and that those who see themselves in this kind of relationship reach out for help.
@@MaugosDe Exactly Małgosia! Find support, tell a friend, who you trust, tell authorities, don't stay alone for an abuser to drain your soul drop by drop. Nowadays the world is full of broken/toxic relationships as parenthood becomes less solid, grounded and cognitive dissonance becomes a norm.
So glad someone else sees the connection between Brian and Chris. I got those vibes from the second I watched the police cam, before her body was found. They are basically the same person at different stages in their life. Creepy AF.
@Sara Fox No doubt. I mean, I get still loving your child despite them doing something horrible, but how the hell can your conscience handle HELPING them to hide out from the cops for doing it?? Smh. So gross. 🤮
@@Woodman-Spare-that-tree yes! Most narcissistic people have one parent or the other that is also a narcissist, like Chris Watts’ mom, Cindy. Sickening the crazy ass, sh.t excuses they come up with to try to reconcile the reason their perfect sons murdered
Thank you so much for what you are doing here, Zoe. Your calming voice and demeanor, informative quality content and respectful approach to everyone make you one of the best creators here on youtube. Sending love from Poland
I was married to a covert narcissist who reminds me sooo much of Brian and Chris Watts. And how people probably thought I was bossy. It's what they do. They act so helpless or "accidentally" Sabotage things to the point you have to do everything and make every important or financial decision without them. Then if anything goes wrong they point the finger and say they would have done it better. It was like taking care of a child and I hated being put into that role. I see it here too. And it's annoying to hear people say Gabby or Shanan was bossy. They had no choice.
I'm tired of the word 'bossy'. It's demeaning and dehumanizing to women. It tells women that they are bitches if they are self confident and have agency over themselves as individuals.
You know what? I've got to commend the hell out of you. You actually changed my thinking, 100% and you did it with the simplest of wordings. I didn't see that with Gabby necessarily, but I absolutely saw it with Shannan. The "bossy controlling" aspect you described. But no, you're right.... I KNOW you're right, because I've seen it in my own life with people. They act helpless and weak intentionally around other people, to portray as if the other person is"bossy". But like you said, they truly aren't! They're just living in the situation they've been placed in with all the responsibilities on their shoulders. I can't verbalize it or explain it as well as you did, but I fully understand exactly what you're saying. And I see that now, me perceiving Shannan in that way, is all part of Chris Watts SUCCESSFUL manipulation. That's how he wants people to see her, so that's how they see her. I'm actually going to internalize this, and reflect on it a bit more.
Same here. It's eerie, the similarities, dynamics, etc. They see zero value in you and they control and manipulate the narrative...so others see you as they do.
It's just so sad. No matter how much we analyze covert narcissists, I can't understand a human having the cruelty necessary to murder someone..a sweet, breathing person who had the right to live 😢
Imagine the altercation at the Mexican restaurant where she goes in and apologized for his behavior. He must have exploded!! The outcome of this relationship is so sad. His parents seem fake and to have a similar power control struggle. At the police stop in moab he actually talked the police to put him in a motel instead of her.
True! I have thought a lot about what the 30 mile drive to the campsite must have been like. I bet she cried and begged him to explain why he was such a butt to the staff there. It made him see himself and he took that misery out on her. 😞
Yes that true but it is more complicated. Because she didn't speak up for herself confirming that brian was the aggressive one she took the blame thus the policeman looked at the situation differently labeling her as the aggressor. I did remember when they were making accommodations for them to be apart one officer asked if they could put gabbi in a hotel room but she was seen as the aggressor and since the van was hers that is where she would stay. It's unfortunate these police man were deceived by Brian and they couldn't not spot domestic violence assault and toxic controlling relationships. They are not trained too thats the biggest flaw but gabbi repeatedly said she didn't want to be apart from him. She didn't want to be alone out there. This case is tragic and as a woman who survived domestic violence I immediately recognized the signs and gabbi wanting so desperately to make her relationship work. Its part of the breaking down of your victim to make them believe you cannot survive without them. You doubt yourself as they gaslight you using many scenarios to cause you to become undone fearful unsure of anything. And you believe it because you cannot believe that someone who says they love you and would never hurt you would do this to you. The unbelievably of it to be real is too much. And for gabbi she lived with this control freak both at home and on the road where is she gonna go?? Then the blog the journey the unmasking of the perfect couple... you think she will get a career out of this mess. No job to come back too she was trapped. And I do think after the merry piglets restaurant she was done. That was when she saw Brian true colors and it wasn't directed at her. Thats waswhst was different so it couldn't be her fault anymore. His wrath was aimed at the staff and at that point I do believe she saw things crystal clear. She didn't want to be with him anymore but where is she gonna go now. Miles from nowhere trapped with Brian in her ownvan. This outcome was sketched out perfectly and every event lead you down that road. No turning back. I hope and play they catch him and bring gabbi some peace 💖💖💖💖💗💗
I just can't believe he "killed" the "love of his life" then left her body there in the wilderness like she was nothing to him at all and didn't report it till later. It's scary to think the person you love intimately is capable of doing the same thing to you.
Thinking about the infamous conversations during 🚓 the drive over to the “battered boyfriend” hotel. Cop says the one ☝🏻 benefit of taking a woman along on long distance drives is her being able to make the man (driver) a sandwich 🥪. #1 Profession w/highest percentage of DV perpetrators = cops. For victims, this is like wolves 🐺 being sent to “serve & protect” the sheep 🐑.
When I was with my extremely violently abusive narcissist ex, the cops got involved twice. The first time it was a standard male cop who didn’t give a fuck but gave me the phone number of a female cop. The second time it was a female cop, and she saved my life. Thank god for female police officers, many of them are truly angels and then don’t get enough credit.
I really disliked their entire interaction with the police when they were pulled over for speeding. It seemed to me that the police were treating Gabby like an over-emotional kid and Brian like a responsible adult right from the start. It was extremely unprofessional and misogynistic.
People who want to portray her as the abusive one seem to think that a woman being "bossy" towards a man somehow is the same as being abusive and in this case enough for him killing her to be excused with some kind of self-defense explanation. As a lot of women know, it doesn't take much for women to be perceived as "bossy b*tches*. And of course she's being "bossy", she's trying to create content for her viewers so she needs to take charge.
Kind of tangential but reminds me a bit of the movie eyes wide shut. A woman’s *fantasy* of an affair - becomes just as bad as if she actually did it. And the husband uses that as an excuse to have *actual* infidelities. 🤦♀️
So very true. Often it’s just when the woman’s job has to take priority for her because of circumstances, or when she makes more money than he does or has a more prestigious job, and it makes him feel inadequate.
Plus he's immature, and irresponsible. He thought he was going to go on this trip and do and say whatever he wanted. He was finally away from mommy, of course he couldn't handle it. He needs mommy's control.
I've paused it at 15.43 when Gabby greets viewers with a hello hello whilst sitting in the tent. I know how the rest of this goes but I'm looking ahead and wonder how others interpret Gabby's emotions at that moment. To me, she looks like she has been crying and has conjured up with some difficulty the appearance of 'everything is fine with us this morning.' (Her vlogging was a means of making a living NOT for vanity or attention ) I actually think they had a humongous argument that morning. Her eyes are so red and she just seems so depleted. .........................Oh and the way he creeps up to the back of the van whilst she's talking to us when she gets the cereal He needed to know what she was saying. RIP Gabby darling. They'll catch that mongrel.
This scene has always stood out to me as well. Especially when she comes out of the tent and looks at Brian. Gabby looks at him like she's having to walk on eggshells, not knowing what behavior to expect from him. That and the time she was in the tent by herself in the pouring rain. Where was Brian? In HER van in the pouring rain? So many unanswered questions.
It’s so scary to think the relationship is somewhat ok, that there may be some normal up’s and downs, but then your partner takes rage to a whole darker level is horrifying. Wow. We, women, especially need to pay close attention to consistent warning signs, red flags; and ✋ stop excusing bad behaviour no matter who commits it. And when we notice bad behaviour over and over. Get out, leave. Pay close attention to the subtle cues. Learn what those cues are, don’t dismiss them or it. Because when there’s one, there’s another, etc.
One of the best advice for women is to ask the boyfriends relationship with their mother.It tells a lot.Narcisism runs in the family!Chris Watts mum is a perfect example!
@@asllaniiiii very true! My husbands parents are both violent narcissists. Saw their behavior first hand, was horrified and refused to have them in my home after the dad physically attacked my husband in front of our 4 year old granddaughter. No wonder my husband is a violent, cold covert narcissist… his mother never bonded with him, she didn’t protect him from predators and took no blame for her neglect of his needs as a small boy. Mental and physical abuse has ruined this entire family… even worse: these broken people go out into the world and have children with others who have no history or experience with these broken people, ruining entire families along the way.
100% Phabulous1 one. BUT the most important thing to know, is once you have figured this out, DO NOT TELL THEM YOU ARE GOING TO LEAVE. Do not hint around that 'things need to change,' do not give them a chance to 'do better,' do not try to talk about it and 'work it out.' Your life is most in danger at the point they think you might try to leave. Before it occurs to them that you might be thinking of leaving, you need to be safe distance away. (And be smart enough to stay away, no matter how convincing they are in telling you that you 'misunderstood.') I fear that Gabby may have told Brian she was having doubts about being with him, and he killed her rather than let her leave.
I really like how you noticed their microexpressions and are right on point with the tension in their relationship. He is extremely controlling and very insecure about his relationship with Gabby. She has an excellent personality and is very beautiful, while he is…ugly and knows she will eventually leave him. As long as he can keep her insecure she will stay with him. He definitely sees her social media ambitions as a threat to the relationship.
Brian's attitude is identical to that of Chris Watts. I love that you pointed out that both women were unaware of the fakeness of their partners. Too many people still blame the victim.
I actually think Brian is a lot like Chris Watts but not so convincing with his cover. CW let his anger boil over inside whereas Brian appears to have been physically and verbally aggressive for some time before Gabbys murder.
Yes. I wonder if physical DV has been a pattern for a long time with BL, whereas CW didn't show obvious violent tendencies or have witnesses to physical fights. Anyone who will physically fight in public will probably do so much worse in private! Frightening.
I respectfully disagree. CW needed her to disappear so he can have his new life. BL needs Gabby, it’s the opposite. He just lost control of his DV and raged. CW was calculated. This was an act of rage that ruined his life. CW was expecting his life to upgrade
@@colleenharding8665 I don’t think BL “needed” Gabby. I think they were just used to being a couple for so long they didn’t know that they could or should end it. I think each one was deluded enough as naive young people to think that the other one wanted or could be coerced into wanting what they themselves wanted.
He was a monster who played well!!! None.of.us had a clue until she was in North Carolina 😥 I still pray he yells the whole truth onsday! NK was involved! This case is just as crazy as my friends 😥🙏🙏🙏💜💜💜💜
Ty. I thought it looked like she had been crying.. Where exactly WAS he when she needed rescued from the desert rainstorm? She was alone trying to hold the tent up.
When you are a van lifer etc all videos and photos are staged because you earn money from the clicks that is how you support yourself. Gabby would not have wanted to convey any fear in her videos because that would do the opposite of what you want.
I felt something similar in that clip. She was so subdued, and her eyes looked a bit red and puffy. The vibe I got was that they had had an argument and it hadn't been an easy morning. She kept glancing off camera to him when she was making her yogurt too. Not her usual self, but a bit guarded as she talked about the melted chocolate and such. Maybe she was concerned about setting him off about something.
Well if you listen to him talking to the police and compare it with Chris W talking to the police on his front porch, it's no different. We already know CW is a covert narcissist
I am not in any way justifying what happened in this case, in fact I'm not specifically talking about Gabby and Brian. I'm looking at the general trend for people to vlog their daily lives. I just don't see how this can be a healthy lifestyle, no matter what type of personality you have. To be constantly recorded is not natural. I think it would make it harder for anyone to truly be their self.
100% agreed. Not healthy lifestyle especially for a newer intimate relationship. He looks disappointed and like there interactions are authentic or idk there own? No reason the abuse ..or murder anyone jeez but yeah not healthy style imo.
100% - not saying anyone deserves this, but I believe this to be the exact cause in both this case and that of Chris Watts. The vanity and constant obsession with filming everything could easily drive an introvert crazy. (Again not saying it justifies murder!)
I agree that it is not healthy. Brian didn’t seem comfortable with it and that’s a perfectly fine feeling for him to have had. I think a lot of people wouldn’t be. But that was her life and if he didn’t like it, there is such a thing as breaking up!
I completely agree about the vlogging...can't understand why anyone would want to do it. I'm also absolutely certain that Brian would have been an abusive nightmare under any circumstances.
His eyes just look dead to me in those slow motion shots. The rest of his face is showing a smile but the eyes look blank and dead. It reminds me of a fake laugh someone gives when they are uncomfortable.
Gabby talking in the tent that morning seems like she has puffy eyes from possibly crying & the way she said the plan is to stay in the tent after the storm has passed is strange to me.
I noticed that too. I had a driver's license photo like that. My exhusband used to make me cry the night before an important event or photo. I'd try everything to deputy, but it's doesn't work. I noticed her eyes right away
I think she looked like she had been crying too. Her voice seemed strained as well. Exactly WHERE was B. when she needed help w the tent? Was he comfortably sleeping in the van? Grrr
His likeness to Chris Watts is uncanny.. I think one of the scary things about covert narcissists is that they will ascribe sentiments to you, that you don’t have, particularly that ‘you think you’re better than them’
@@mccairemichigan3032 best way to respond? no contact ;) if you can leave, leave, otherwise, use method called grey rock. I don't have personal experience or expert knowledge though, just heard of it and makes sense to me. Don't internalize what they say though.
@@mccairemichigan3032 projection. They hate themselves so they project their awful traits onto you - to take you down a peg, also giving them supply. This includes a 'smear campaign' via telling others about your supposed traits - it's chilling how accurate this is about their traits and behaviours without your knowledge. They really want to transfer their shame onto you.
If Brian was able to belt her in public, lie to police about having a cellphone, create a scene in a restaurant, then he was probably 100% worse in private... The fact he scarperred, lawyered up and his parents have "ammended dates" of brian going hiking are all very indicative of guilt. Its so incredibly sad, yet her parents are helping to highlight other missing persons, in Gabbys honour....
I totally think that you’re spot on in your description of him/them/their relationship. I’ve always had the thought that any success she was finding in having a following on social media, he had a problem with. It was all attention towards her (or that’s absolutely how HE interpreted it) and I’ve been through an abusive relationship, my ex forced me to delete my Facebook but he still had one. Or he’d be jealous of people I’d accept as friends even if I had known them the majority of my life, but if it was a man, forget it, he was seeing red. Gabby had a personality that drew people to her. She was light and love and positivity, always shining like the sun, catching the eye of probably most people she encountered as she just had that radiant beauty. He likely couldn’t stand any of it. I think when the police interview where she said that he didn’t believe she could do any of it was SO telling of how he felt about it. He was probably tearing her apart, all while she just wanted to share her life and grow her platform. His insecurities took over and he didn’t want to make room to let anything in. If he wasn’t what her entire world revolved around, then he was making her miserable. I guarantee it. The more success she found, the more he’d want to control her. He wanted her in the little bubble he wanted her in, but she wasn’t someone who could stay inside of such a small bubble. She was spreading her wings, and he was clipping them. He makes me sick. It’s so sad because I’ve lived through so much abuse, so I know that horrible controlling, manipulative, possessiveness that she was living through and it breaks my heart into pieces. 😢
I was in a long term marriage w/ a guy who would “rage” out of nowhere. He would look @me in the same manner as BL as I was very outgoing. To outsiders his looking @me Seemed like he Adored me BUT in Reality, he was Studying My Character. The thought of it is Very Creepy in hindsight. I did not become aware of NPD until I was out of the relationship so it’s not always easy to Know what’s Wrong when you have no Knowledge of it. R.I.P Gabby & may her loved ones get closure soon💙
Exactly, for those of us with personal experience theirs not a shadow of doubt what was happening when they were pulled over by cops! Even the bit where he says yes she has a licence but isn’t a confident driver? Bet she was before she met him! Glad you got out safely, take care may GABBY R.I.P♥️🌹
Damn, this is outstanding! This analysis is the one thing that is really important about this case. I don't understand why your channel doesn't have 10 times more subscribers.
I think the granola scene was very interesting. It seems like he even controlled the food and what she was doing with it. She used the term “steal“ from “his“ granola. And she seems intimidated and awkward the whole time, as if she is doing something she might get in trouble for. When she discovers that the chocolate has melted she is very apologetic and insecure, as if it's her fault. He seems grumpy the whole time, warns her: “Be cautious!“ and keeps hovering over her as long as she handles the food... this might be a typical scenario where conflicts would erupt.
I've read a similar comment on another thread and that was my exact thought. Almost like she is a child while he is a parental figure and she was trying to "sneak" the food like she isn't allowed to eat it.
@@ashleybrittingham5488 More like HE is the ocd guy with something critical to say about everything. If that comes off to you as "parental" that is your own experience bias.
@@bewell6019 I was saying it in regards of her looking over her shoulder constantly while making her food. She was literally "walking on eggshells" and was very uneasy around him. Once again almost like she is a child waiting to be scolded. It has nothing to do with her Ocd with the way she was acting. She was straight up on edge filming that piece. One wrong move and he will snap is what she's thinking. I'm talking about her body language...not sure what you are referring to?
@@ashleybrittingham5488 I very much appreciate what you had sensed in her body language. It's just the characterization of her being childlike and him a parent to describe it doesn't fit. It presents it as a playful and warranted action of a kid in the cookie jar. "Walking on eggshells is the best description for anyone who is around a person who has erratic, explosive, and unpredictable behavior. This can occur anywhere and with anyone. From your boss, friends, your parents, siblings, co-worker, and most commonly found with a spouse or partner. It’s like living in fear knowing a single word, action, or just anything can set them off. You just realize that you are always walking on eggshells, always careful with everything you do and say to avoid any conflict." I didn't mean to sound like I was snapping at you either :) Thanks for your post!!
To me him taking her van “what she says she loves” was like a trophy to him. And leaving her behind in the process. Very sick and almost seems like it was to him as he won and she lost.
He doesn't mind hurting her, but she feels guilty for 'hurting' him. She was not taught how to fight back so gave into him. I'm vicious and would have called the cops and reported him for grand theft. Hand over my keys or you are going to prison. I have packed my shit up from a soon to be ex's apartment, told him off and left. For good.
Because Brian wanted her to himself. The only way to keep men away from her was isolating her in remote places. When a man does that he’s asserting himself as THE WARDEN and victim is HIS PRISONER. It’s beyond obvious he murdered her because she was leaving him for good August 28 when gabby was going off with rose who supposedly disliked Brian
Well to be fair when we go hiking & camping we enjoy the fact we get away from humans & just be amongst nature. In saying that this type of atmosphere would suit BL so he had his victim all to himself and had no interference of anyone that else.
I bet he was supposed to do some yoga poses for the camera, and he threw her off guard by just sitting there instead. Narcs love to throw you off balance.
That reminded me that 5he narcissistic is empowered and feels fine after a night of making his partner cry, she's puffy and subdued, trying to sooth herself
I lost a large social media audience due to my narcissist ex-husband's control as well. He was proud at first of my online success (I think?) but it quickly turned to jealousy and resentment. He certainly enjoyed the free trips around the world. But even then, looking at his social posts from those trips now, it's SO CLEAR that it was all about him, even on the trips I'd earned through my work online. Hindsight is so clear.
The way Brian's behaviour is described, really reminds me of my past relationship. I was never fearful of my ex in a physical sense but this shows how things can take a turn for the worse, as they did for poor Gabby. I wish she would have had the chance to see him for what he really was and escape all this before it was too late. Thank you for making these important videos.
It’s scary to think you have the perfect partner when really they are a covert narcissist. It must make you feel crazy, because they’re seemingly so perfect and then all of a sudden they’re hurting you in some way. I can imagine how easy it is to brush it off as an outlier moment. I can even imagine it must be your fault, because they are so low key around everyone else. So sad. Rest peacefully now, Gabby; you are greatly missed.
don't believe the perfect facade, test the person in the early stages of dating by seeing how they respond to a no do they try to manipulate and convince you to go along with what they want? or do they respect your decision? also, do their words align with their actions?
What do you suspect the parents of Brian Laundry and Chris Watts’s personalities and parenting styles would have looked like toward their sons? Both Chris and Brian ran to their parents to protect them from the consequences of their really horrific behavior…so weird.
@@coloradobrad6779 Christians will sin too. However, it is interesting that the households they both grew up in seemed to mock religion and favored anything else but Christianity. Ignoring primary tenets and values embraced by founders of the nation. Of course they will "feel out of place" and he would need their protection when he is perceived to have done things wrong.
I think they were protected by their mommy's. And their dad's had gone along with it. Sociopaths raise sociopaths. Gabby was the stranger who could be abused by all of them. Why is nothing of Gabby's in Brian's room? Because it was HIS room. She probably had to keep her things in the storage unit?Ron Watts was probably a momma's boy too.
Not enough to draw conclusions but I do wonder. 2 not enough to draw stats, but wish someone would study this :) Certainly seems often parent is also a narc.
was in the same sort of narcissistic relationship at their age, and its such a hard transition in life going from being considered a child, to moving into adulthood. To be with someone who doesn't think the same way you do about compassion and affection is extremely difficult and stressful, which comes out with all of the arguing this couple went through. Being so young, its hard to recognize the toxicity of this sort of partnership. I taught myself to exist for the good parts and to ignore the bad. I lost who I was by doing this. Gabby fought for her own beliefs unconsciously without understanding why. Knowing how Brian thinks is going to be a key to figuring out where he may have gone when he took off after leaving his parent's in FL.
Seeing all the footage Gabby filmed, how wonderful and bubbly she is in those minutes, it's bringing me to tears. I wish someone would have told her to run far, far away from Brian before the van life trip could ever happen. I don't think he even really liked her, he was just "playing a part".
You can intuitively deduct she was constantly trying to just make him feel loved…because she did love him truly, but he kept it over her head that he THOUGHT she didn’t.
I wonder if the trip was his idea. If there were jealousy and control issues, that would be a way of keeping her from other people and allowing him more control.
It was Gabby's dream. She planned for it for 9 months according to her dad. It was also her money that she alone had saved. The only thing was that she didn't want to be out there on the road traveling alone so she engaged Brian to do it with her. I don't think he enjoyed the orchestrated videos. We know that he resented the time she spent on the vlog and social media. He actively discouraged her and tried to instill doubt. She wasn't going to talk about that openly because she was always trying to present this cuddly loving united front to her audience. Behind the scenes things weren't so rosy.
@@bewell6019 Yeah I don't know about all that but Roberta Laundrie was never a prosecutor nor did she work for the D.A. It's a persistent rumor that's been debunked.
I’ve lived with this. You are damned if you do and damned if you don’t most days. Their needs are endless and impossible to meet and the rage like nothing if seen before. If I didn’t engage eye contact while he was speaking he would rage. I’m glad to be free
They never noticed because they came second to the social media obsession 🙁 not sympathising with them, just understanding how it might have tortured them.
She may well have understood and was making plans to leave/get away but he picked up on that or outright found out. Him killing her because he could not stand her leaving and him not having that control. I think we need to give them back their power by acknowledging they may have realised it but couldn't instantly leave due to the likelihood of being harmed or killed. Or knew things were not great because they were living it and they weren't but that didn't change the fact if they left they could still easily be hurt or killed. The need to appease or tiptoe away across months. On here we have people commenting they are trying to leave but can't do it all at once due to finances/situation/circumstance.
@@HukurouCrow Thank you for pointing that out to others. Yes, we don't know what was going through their minds and we do need to give them back their power. I have suspected for some time that Gabby telling Brian she wasn't happy and wanted to end the relationship could well have have been the exact reason he killed her. People have given me flack for that ("you don't know that" etc etc) but based on personal experience, it makes complete sense to me.
Sidekick!? 😧 yes, was thinking he’s like the Watts guy. Another RUclipsr said that he couldn’t find any friends of Brian Lsundrie - apparently Watts didn’t have any friends either - seems to be a thing with these kind of people. Btw think blonde suits you very well!
Evil did have friends. Just didn't associate much. Most were mutual friends made from work between him and Shan'ann. He didn't have many. He played well for years!!!!😥💜💜💜💜
He had asked me how to deal with a dead body after murder so as to destroy evidence and get away with it. At the time, I didn’t realise that he was taking about what to do with my body after he had killed me. We were watching a program where the murderer had left some forensic evidence or made some mistakes and I had pointed them out. A long time later when he started to scare me with actual threats, I explained to him why he couldn’t get away with it, forensically speaking, in graphic detail. I also reminded him that there is no beer, smokes or Foxtel in prison. These coverts are probably having terrible thoughts long before they kill. That last still of Chris Watts looking at Shannan makes my blood run cold, I wonder how long before he murdered his family that video was filmed.
@@FlabbyAbi No he wanted the house. He was sick and he wanted me to leave or get rid of me so that he could leave the house to his children. Sometimes when he was angry his eyes went black and I thought he would try. He would drive down a quiet dirt road and I would ask where he was taking me, he replied that he was taking me out to the bush to kill me. He laughed at my fear. Sometimes he would come into my room in the middle of the night and watch me until I woke up. He terrorised me and I kept talking him out of it. I would have to become homeless if I left. He passed away 18 months ago.
This! I was a police officer and my exhusband would ask me questions about how people fake domestic violence to get revenge on their partners and have them arrested. I was so infatuated with my work that I didn’t think much of it and shared details engaging in what i thought was geniune conversation. Unbeknownst to me, he later threatened to make false allegations against me so i could get fired and never work in law enforcement again.
@@anonymoususer4866 they seem to have no conscience whatsoever. They don’t care how much they hurt you and try to ruin your life. Monsters. I hope they find Brian Laundrie soon, that monster needs to get what’s coming to him.
This is such a heartbreaking tragedy, but I found it unintentionally hilarious at 13:07 when she said "she moves naturally...he's wooden..." The delivery of that sentence made me chuckle. And it's so true! He's just playing a part, but the world knows his true nature now!
This is incredible quality insight: it shows clearly, irrefutably that Brian's behaviour -even at the best times - was not that of a truly loving and supportive second half.
I really hope at Gabby’s murder trial they have great prosecution lawyers who can look into this stuff. I think there’s a good chance Brian could claim self defence as Gabby was determined the aggressor when the police pulled them over. It’s amazing how much people don’t understand about abusive relationships. It would be a shame to see him go free because of these misconceptions.
It's obvious number one the size difference between the two of them. She was tall and thin, but he's a man and men are always 10 times stronger than a woman, so I am sick about the way police handled the situation when they were stopped, I could see multiple warnings she was a battered woman, these officers need trained to recognize the signs, Brian was far from abused by Gabby.
Sure , he could claim self-defense if it came to a trial , but so what ? People on trial claim all sorts of things . The Police and their decision making would obviously be on trial then also . How do you think that would play out ?
I think, he would never get away with it. After Gabby was dead, Brian left her body in the wilderness, drove home, then fled and he also stole Gabby’s credit card. Hopefully the police have some evidence on him too. Plus, the autopsy report hasn’t been published, yet. Maybe “self defense” as a motive is completely out of the picture, when the autopsy report comes out.
She wasn’t determined to be the aggressor as they didn’t press any charges, and they have the other witness testimony of him hitting her on the street prior to the traffic stop. So, no. This wouldn’t hold any water with a judge or a jury.
I also think he was jealous of her SM interactions with other vanlifers via messages and comments. Always tagging her photos . I think her mood was closely connected to her 'friends' on her Instagram and he was jealous of men and women
@@genevievelovell4204 yes I noticed that too - she had been getting comments from bigger brands like REI. If he is anti waste and consumerism that probably bothered him too
I noticed staged scenes in the video. Like him doing yoga or checking under the hood. She probably had to stay on his "good side" to get him to participate in that stuff. He's very self conscious about his receding hairline. He doesn't like his head to show if it isn't shaven. Can't stand him calling her a sidekick. 😡
You are spot on with this whole video. This is exactly what I picked up on when I first watched her video. I had complete chills and knew instinctively something was very wrong. Thank you for putting this out here. I hope it teaches people to be aware of these demons that lurk amongst us. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Omg that clip you just showed in the tent. That poor sweet soul just looks so Drained! Looks like she has been 😢 her eyes out. I wonder if she even realized she was in an Abusive relationship! RIP 🙏
I think in the scene where she says: “I love the van”, he was probably thinking she was going to say: “I love this man”…I get the impression that he expected that and was beyond angry when it didn’t happen. Every time I see that scene that thought crosses my mind.
I don't think this is entirely fair. If I dislike or shy away from social media does that mean I have a personality disorder? I find that needing to broadcast our lives online is a bit of a cringe .. is that not socially acceptable to think that way?
I agree... I wouldnt want to be in the photos, i would want to enjoy the travels. I also feel everything is pressed in the angel and the devil narcisist... There's a lot to know and learn but i feel everything he did is "wrong"... Anyrhing he would or wouldnt do would be interpreted as you see, a narcisist!
He was on social media himself. He was bragging about how environmentally aware he was and criticizing people for using plastic bottles. He was writing philosophical musings too. He also knew she was going to be vlogging when they went on the trip. He wasn't shy. He was being aloof out of contempt. He could have said he didn't want to be in the vlog, but he didn't. He pretended to support it and then belittled it.
Your videos are so valuable, thank you for making them. I always wish that more people could see the signs of covert narcissism, but for most people that have not been in a relationship with a covert narcissist, it’s very hard to recognize. Thank you for being a great teacher ❤️
To be honest, how he behaves during the vlog looks like how I would behave if I was going on a roadtrip with my boyfriend and he spent half the time talking to the camera, posing in front of the camera and posing me as well. I can see myself steadily getting more and more irritated, mainly because I just don't like not being myself and I don't like feeling like I'm an accessory for someone else. Also don't like feeling ignored. I'm not justifying anything Brian did, but for the vlog part of it, I'm not totally on board with what you're saying. I don't know, maybe that means I have narcissistic tendencies.
This is how I felt when I went on a Disney trip with my family (me and my adult siblings and all of our children). One of my sisters kept wanting to take photos and I eventually got annoyed, not because I wasn’t in charge of the shot, but because I was like, “dang, can’t I just enjoy myself? This is a once in a lifetime trip and I wanna go make some memories, not waste time posing for a camera.” So I get what you’re saying.
Totally agree with you. There is so much surmising going on here with very glib conclusions being drawn based on basically nothing. Is everyone who is awkward in front of a camera a potential murderer now? People are a mystery, their inner life hidden and we will never know what happened between this couple to cause such tragedy
Yeah was about to say the same. Filming your whole trip and posting everywhere online doesn't mean confidence and being yourself to me. It's a persona she put on and true confidence is something different. Different than both of them in my opinion. It's neither forcing to be confident or hate yourself so I don't agree with all the people saying that. They both had their own issues and toxic relationship and should have worked on them individually or together but most people don't see it.
I agree, maybe he was a narcissist, but we didn't get to see here any red flags from this guy, only thoughts on how covert narcissist would feel in those certain situations. But tbh I would feel a little hurt and pissed too being that guy, if someone was using me in a vlog for the content, showed my face for a split of a second and before I start smiling to the camera, the camera already shows food. Same with the pulling and pushing away. I know it wasn't on purpose to hurt his feeling, but if someone do these things repeatedly to you it gets to you eventually, that maybe someone isn't treating you with respect ans kind of use you for the content. Most of communication is body language and if someone is behaving with you these way and ignores you looking in the camera it doesn't feel nice. Does it feel nice when someone is talking to you while looking at their phone, even if you know their checking something 'important"?
Nope. It just means you dont want to feel like a prop in someone's NARCISSIST movie. Sad he wasn't able to recognize his being uncomfortable with this setup and get out and let her have her way.
Thank you please others leave your boyfriend husband !!! I left mine and he was NARCISSISTIC CONTROLLING AND ABUSIVE but a wonderfully man in public 😥🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Omg Paula same here. Went through hell and he was still looking to meet up while starting a new relationship. He is all loved up on social media. I was sad but realised I was grieving what never was only a loss of several years of my life. I am little by little realising she will go through the same thing and god help her . Poor thing. As she looks lovely and happy the way I was before I met him. I just hope she gets out sooner rather than later .are you ok now?
I feel this video taught me more about what a covert narcissist is ... I was confused because people say that coverts appear to be "shy and nice," and I struggled to see someone playing "shy and nice" turning murderous. I see it now, though.
Seems important to note that the person with NPD typically does not consciously scheme and manipulate. Isn't the behavior almost instinctual? They learned to survive and function very early in life by pretending or fronting for parents, teachers, peers, etc. As a result, no real identity formed, and the charade just becomes more and more complex. The person with the personality disorder has no real idea why they behave the way they behave, and the people in their lives don't realize what's happening either.
It was her van. Her blog. Her RUclips channel. Her radiance. Her authenticity. She had what he could never have. And he resented her for it.
Wow. Simple yet really on point. Agreed!
And he knew he could never really have her too I think. I commented about similar stuff, he could see what she really loved and it just wasn’t him really. I’m sure she loved him, but he wasn’t treating her right. She looked like she cried all night in the video w him stretching imo 💔
I believe he did resent her.. just like Watts resented Shannan. Look how Brian spoke about her to the police. People like this have so much rage and envy. They also try and turn others on their victim. He may have lied to his parents too making gabby the bad guy. I believe he had to run bc he can’t tolerate the world knowing his true self.
I don’t know what she was doing with him. He was an absolute toad. My guess is that he made her feel like she could not do any better.
Exactly!
I'm so tired of these men who select a beautiful, confident and outgoing partner, then later hate them for these characteristics. Also, wanting to change them too.
@Jen Green Spot on!
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If she was confident she wouldn't stayed with an abuser,,,, somthig was wrong with her logic
What attracted her to Brian? He is a slug no ambition, still being supported by Mommy and Daddy, self centered, controlling, lazy, self important. Why do young women choose delayed elementary school passive gross boys. Abby was first born. Brian the baby by 9 years. It is so sad.
It sounds like admiration but also envy at the same time. I think that’s normal isn’t it?
She was too much for him, she was too beautiful and full of joy and light. Narcissists can't stand happiness.
They want it, but they fear it.
They can’t stand other’s happiness. And yes, due to fear of loss.
Problem is their abuse strains the relationship. When they feel their loosing they’re grip on their victim or their victim may end it they really get physical.
She was what? There is nothing authentic about her videos, they were a show.
@@andrewvalov1298 While I’ll agree that all posts are a show. I do believe that many people have come forward that knew Gabby in person and shared what kind of person she was in real life. She didn’t have a huge media presence so I don’t think people are responding based on just her posts. She was a young woman whose life was snuffed out in the prime of her life. It’s a horrible thing.
My sociopathic ex would instigate huge emotional responses from me and when the police would arrive he would switch off like a light switch and act just like Brian, super nice and cooperative, apologetic, make jokes with the officers and try to make himself look stable and in control, leaving me to look unhinged and "crazy", as he claimed. Makes me sick to watch that bodycam footage and how the officers instantly claim he's the victim even when she has marks on her face and body and one of the first things she told the police was that he was keeping her out of her van and playing keep away with her keys and was afraid he was going to abandon her there. There had even been a 911 call with witness statements he had been slapping and hitting her on a sidewalk. These officers were too caught up in the 'boys club' and their own egos to see what was really going on. How much of a loser do you have to be to murder the woman who loves you and then drive her van across the country to go camping with mommy and makes s'mores....
When i was with my abusive ex, the only time the police were called was when HE called them on me. I was terrified and he knew it. He was totally calm, even though he had just punched me in the face. Somehow it became both of our faults. I was sleep deprived and losing my grip on reality. That moment woke me up. Thank God I got away.
They didn't even ask for license and registration! When they almost crashed the van!! They just assumed it was his and he played it along
Yup..and the cop was like yeah my wife is crazy to bro!! I understand...disgusting
Yes scratching themselves and saying that you did it, so sad, sorry that you had to deal with that!
The "boys club" is so frustrating. It's no wonder so many women do not get help. I cringed too, when I saw that video. He just made himself look like such a happy go lucky guy. Her death could have been prevented if someone would have actually listened. Tragic. 😢
I feel he was jealous of her too. Pathological envy. That's why he was always trying to sabotage her efforts & control & demean her.
I think BL was terrified of how popular Gabby might become and how confident that would make her.
Right! He felt she would slip away and be harder to control.
Absolutely. He told her she "couldn't do it" and that's only because he knew she could do it and that was a threat to him.
@@cm9317 exactly this and she was working so hard at the Cafe in moab the day they were seen fighting and he probably kept telling her to stop because he wanted to go the arches :smh: this is so sad
@@poeticsparrow very sad. I hope he is found soon
Absolutely! Every time Gabby posted she was making new friends and connecting with others that appreciated her videos. I am sure he would get jealous of any comments that were made to Gabby about her videos. She was extremely beautiful and friendly and I have no doubt her personality was very outgoing! As time went on I feel she was realizing who Brian really was….. I think she told him it was over….especially after the police encounter and the final day at the restaurant where he freaked out. It was over and gabby unfortunately told him that she was as done with him.
My ex husband was exactly this way. We would be out with friends, having a great time (I thought). Then on the way home he would tear me down for everything I did. The way I walked, the way I laughed, who I spoke to, how I spoke. Until I would be defending myself in tears, miserable forgetting the nice time we had. Because it was ruined.
My ex boyfriend would do the same… it makes you so miserable and also very self-aware and insecure when you are around people, doesn’t it? I still have this habit of re-enacting conversations in my head where I think I said something stupid and it’s as if I could hear his voice criticising everything…
On the way to a party one night - my ex husband actually told me to not to talk all night - because I "always say funny things" and he wants people to think he's "the funniest person in the room" - wish I knew about covert narcissism back then :-(
This! My ex did this... it baffled me senseless! We would be around my longterm friends, later he would critique how I was behaving/talking/etc ...
My ex was the same. He would give me a look that no one else saw which meant you have done something wrong and you will get it when we get home. When we got home he would be silent and put the children in their rooms and I would know I was going to get it! It is nearly 40 years ago and it still makes me tremble in fear
@@christinakavanagh3912 it's a thing only we can describe. I lived with this man for 25 years. He was a monster. People ask why didn't you leave.....? I agree, but when your self esteem is so broken you think it's your fault. Thank God we didn't let ourselves die. I would have died, at his hands.
I suspect Brian was the one to say “gabby you never go outside” and guilt her about it. Maybe it was a fight. Just a guess of course But I get that feeling. He was supposedly seen outdoors a lot and camping, walking, hiking. Around the neighborhood while neighbors say they didn’t see her much at all. And I get the feeling he also convinced her that she was OCD because she liked things neat and organized. Maybe she really had OCD but I think it’s likely a label he put on her. And “being mean”. Maybe even her anxiety too. Of course she could truly have these things but it seems like weapons he’d had against her to make her feel like she was the “crazy” one.
Typical gaslighting in reflection
God knows what BL got up to whilst camping alone 😬
Her father said "OCD" was being used as a figure of speech, that she wasn't actually afflicted by the condition, just a tidy person, so I'm sure it was Brian making her feel inadequate and self-conscience, like narcissists do - just like when she told the police officer that he had been telling her she wouldn't be able to pull off her travel vlog and website. With sociopaths, jealousy is deadly.
Oh definitely. He is the god of the outdoors (according to him) while she never even goes outside. I love that she flipped the slight around and made a joke out of it. “Gabby Petito. Never goes outside. ✌🏼” Just that one clip really endeared her to me…like she’s one of my tribe. (She reminds me of my own 20 year old daughter, actually). We do that in my family too, when given a derogatory name, which happens a bunch unfortunately. Everybody gets a name. For example: I get Chemo treatments every 3 weeks. Sometimes about 2 or 3 days afterwards I can feel nauseous and tired and my daughters will bring a snack or meal to me in bed. By the next day I’m usually feeling better and back on my game. 👍 This gets twisted (during a rage) into “you always sit up there in your bed like the Queeeeen of Sheba and have everyone serve you!” This is hurtful at first, 1) because it’s not true…I don’t feel entitled to be served. 2) the implication that I’m…idk, faking? and 3) hello?…I have metastatic cancer…think you can cut me a break for one day? But what we do (we in the know of what’s happening) turn it into a joke to make the pain more palatable. Mostly by making memes with crowns, and occasional they will respond to me with “Yes, My Queen” 👸 👑 😂
Anyway. It’s just so heartbreaking what has happened to her. What a bright little light she was. #JusticeForGabby
@@flowersinthefire - Sadly, she would have been hugely successful if she had lived, and had a supportive partner (or even alone she would have done really well). She was a gifted, intelligent, caring young woman. RIP Gabby Petito.
A man who feels jealous of his own partner is the worst character you could ever meet in your entire life
RIP Gabby
And there r a lot of them no one has any idea how many there are
@@dreamersruleNOW its uglier when nobody even believe what you're talking about!
@@taghreedfarhat3421 can u rephrase that? Brian was the warden; gabby was his prisoner. He had no need to hit her at prison at his parents house but once she said she was leaving with rose 8/28, that was it!
Next to a mother jealous of her own daughter
@@thecoldglassofwatershow it's the maximum worst
I thought the “Gabby Petito never goes outside” was such a weird thing to say given the context of her having a vlog channel and living in her van. But I have a theory about that. Narcissistic abuse involves constant character digs and insults. I bet that was something he always said to her, that she never went outside. So, now that she’s outside, in order to dodge the insults later, she has to make a dig at herself to acknowledge “yeah I never go outside but I’m outside right now.” A narcissist can’t be proven wrong. And to avoid abuse later, she had to make sure he knew he was still right about her. I hope this makes sense. It’s hard to explain it.
Yes you are right xxx
So so true. My ex would do similar things. Or if he was talking to someone else about our relationship it was never that he was really happy and that it was going well or that he was in love etc. It was always, "well I am not sure where the relationship is going" apparently because I didn't have the same interests as him (not all, but I was keen to do/learn them with him, he just rather do it with his mates or his ex). Or that I had issues etc. He never had my back. Then when the truth came out that he had cheated on me with his ex in the earlier days of our relationship, he got pissed qt me for not having his back and believing someone else over him. 😂
It makes total sense what you wrote. They always throw little digs then act like we are too sensitive or this or that. They always have to say something negative to ruin a happy moment. They are very petty, controlling, jealous, etc.
Yes, absolutely agree.
Nope, I completely understand what you're saying!
Your analysis of Brian reminds me of Chris Watts. Jealous of Shanann, feeling demeaned by Shanann being the “star” of her videos.
I said from the time.I saw him he reminded me of that monster! Shan'ann was a dear friend and we worked together. She never would've in a million years thought this would happen! 💜💜💜💜😥🙏🙏🙏 JusticeforGabby Letitbe
@@jessicalimbaugh5950 because no normal person would. Poor her. Poor babies. And chris’ parents especially mom are evil
The images of Gabby, distraught, crying in the police body cam videos look very similar to Shanann’s selfie, where she’s also crying and visibly distraught. Plus, Brian and Chris act very similar when talking to police. So incredibly sad.
I see more similarities with Andrew Cunanan in a sense of him killing anyone who gets in his way and hiding out for a stretch of time.
Video. She had posted one video. People keep referring to her a "youtuber" but she had only barely even started a channel. She was an aspiring youtuber. Her Instagram following was huge AFTER the story of her death. 😳
The meek and humble act on the body cam was exactly like watts.
I think that's as very poor read on your part . Watts wasn't acting , apparently that's how he was according to everyone .
Correct.
Their mannerisms are very alike.
Very similar, although Brian has the additional 'I'm a little harmless school boy' thing going on too I think...
@@exitscreaming is always an act to everyone. They act mild mannered and mostly content when on the inside that's not how they are at all. They only portray that personality to get people to like them so they can manipulate them
@@exitscreaming nah.
He's like my ex husband. He's like Chris Watts. He's like every covert narcissist ever. I now have an order of protection because my ex tried to kidnap one of our children and threatened to kill the rest of us. This, after he had already gotten me completely isolated and forced me out of my work and friendships outside of the home. The control is never enough.
Even cooking breakfast every morning. Mine it was bringing coffee every morning in bed. Then the random blow ups and resentment and anger, seemingly out of nowhere. It was constant fear and anxiety and eggshells, trying to manage and predict his reactions.
I'm so sorry, Gabby. You deserved so much better.
@@ser2952 do you mean he demanded a cooked breakfast everyday? I stopped cooking regularly for my partner 2 years ago due to being ill with Covid (now long Covid). He really holds it against me, even though he’s cooked me about 4-5 meals in 6 years. I used to cook that many times a week , for years.
@@SteffiNovaASMR_Replays
Sister, I used to get up an hr before my ex hubby. Cook a 3 course breakfast, make his *awesome lunch & bring him coffee to wake him up w love every morning.
He always found fault with SOMETHING to leave me in tears every morning when he left for work.
It was his excuse for not coming home AFTER work & going to the bar.
He was having an affair w the bartender.
He doesn't seem like Chris Watts at all
@@exitscreaming
Your joking, right?
"...the girl who never goes outside." She says this and reaches over to touch him and he looks away and moves away. From the first moment I saw this, and all the subsequent information about his 'outdoorsy' nature, I think the joke was her taking the label he put on her and in the moment she shares that, he is not amused at his words being made into a joke for others.
Good catch Kate!
Exactly! I felt the same about it!
Agreed!
Spot on! I thought the same
Kate, what abt her video where she inside the tent & it rained all night?
It felt to me, that he made her stay in that tent alone all night.
Just where the he'll WAS he when she was filming the rain & needed help w the tent? I think he was safely locked & secure in her van... 😣
I think Gabby was so upset when the officers separated them because she knew she was in for it when she saw Brian again.
You nailed it
Somewhere in the Midwest
Agree 100%
Totally
That was her first chance to get away. She should have taken it. The roads were open and passable.
Spot on! I said this in another comment that he is a mini Chris Watts: appears to be “meek” and “soft spoken”, even cowardly (he is), but capable of explosive rage and violence when he thinks no one is looking (like all covert narcs). Gabby, like Shan’ann, was about to shine and have other interests outside of him, and a narcissist wants to be the center of someone’s world, they want to be the center of someone’s attention with no other “competitive” elements for the spotlight- just like your coverage of why Chris Watts murdered his family. Gabby was way out of Brian’s league in every measurable metric, including the looks department, and Brian couldn’t stand the fact that she would take off and wouldn’t be so dependent and focused on him anymore. All narcs are controlling because they fear being irrelevant, or not the center of attention/control. Gabby and Shan’anns only sin was daring to be amazing, and their covert narc partners would rather kill them than see them shine 😞 RIP angels
Well said.
Well said, indeed! Hit the nail on the head!
Chris W was also a fat, floppy legs, no one would even look at when he added Shan'an (way out of his league) on FB. She was trophy material but vulnerable due to her lupus and end of a relationship. She and the children gave Chris supply.
When he lost weight and start to feel more confident about his looks and got the attention of another woman who entertained him, Sha'nan and kids were already waste that he had to throw into the trash bin.
It was now the time to start to live the new fantasy with his new partner (check sam vaknin for narcissist shared fantasy videos).
Their only "sin" was to pick the partners they chose.
@@Sarablueunicorn Very well said, as with just about all of the commenters here. Clearly a cut above on this channel, which says a lot about the creator! Well done
This is so uneasy watching her smiling and dancing, knowing that she is dead. She looked so happy there...
I know
I was thinking the same thing while watching. So vibrant.
Utterly heartbreaking.
She appears to have been crying in many scenes.
I still don’t understand why the police didn’t arrest him when she told them that they had a physical altercation which was confirmed by bystanders. It was a huge red flag! My heart breaks every time I see this sweet girl. The horror that she must have gone through being killed by the man she loved.
They should have been tailing him in general
I think they got off on making her think she would go to jail
one of the cops smears his wife to Brian, RED FLAG!
@@jmw402 absolutely. What an aesehole!
She didn't press charges and the police didn't witness it. The bystanders also said she hit him which does complicate things. This was handled badly because the police are not specifically trained in how to deal with domestic assault. This is a classic example of why police should be defunded.
I have a friend who is a victim of domestic assault - including rape. It still took her years to leave him. It's a very complicated issue.
Such a darling girl - what a joyful spirit she had. I pray that good things come from this tragedy and that those who see themselves in this kind of relationship reach out for help.
Amen, Lisa!! We're NOT alone, especially in trouble 🙌🏻❤️
Yes Gabby was such a gorgeous girl inside and out may she rest peacefully
I packed and RAN the other way! Lesson: Dont put lives on social media when it involves another!
Well, hopefully those who find themselves being in this sort of relationship reach out for nearest exit... emergency one.. running!
@@MaugosDe Exactly Małgosia! Find support, tell a friend, who you trust, tell authorities, don't stay alone for an abuser to drain your soul drop by drop. Nowadays the world is full of broken/toxic relationships as parenthood becomes less solid, grounded and cognitive dissonance becomes a norm.
So glad someone else sees the connection between Brian and Chris. I got those vibes from the second I watched the police cam, before her body was found. They are basically the same person at different stages in their life. Creepy AF.
Think so too! Exactly!
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@Sara Fox No doubt. I mean, I get still loving your child despite them doing something horrible, but how the hell can your conscience handle HELPING them to hide out from the cops for doing it?? Smh. So gross. 🤮
@Sara Fox agreed. The mother probably blames Gabby for forcing Brian to kill her.
@@Woodman-Spare-that-tree yes! Most narcissistic people have one parent or the other that is also a narcissist, like Chris Watts’ mom, Cindy. Sickening the crazy ass, sh.t excuses they come up with to try to reconcile the reason their perfect sons murdered
What a beautiful soul the world lost in Gabby Petito. Rest in peace, Gabby. Love and prayers to your family. 💕🙏🏻 😇
She was so sweet and wanted to share her dream with the World. Rest in peace Gabby ❤
Thank you so much for what you are doing here, Zoe. Your calming voice and demeanor, informative quality content and respectful approach to everyone make you one of the best creators here on youtube. Sending love from Poland
I second that!
aw I'm touched! Thank you! 🤗
Pozdrowienia z Poznania:)
Pozdrowienia !!!!
YES THANK YOU...I HAVE BEEN SO IMPRESSED WITH YOUR HONESTY, AND GRACE..., AND TRUTH....GOD,BLESS YOU,!!!!!!!!!😇
I was married to a covert narcissist who reminds me sooo much of Brian and Chris Watts. And how people probably thought I was bossy. It's what they do. They act so helpless or "accidentally" Sabotage things to the point you have to do everything and make every important or financial decision without them. Then if anything goes wrong they point the finger and say they would have done it better. It was like taking care of a child and I hated being put into that role. I see it here too. And it's annoying to hear people say Gabby or Shanan was bossy. They had no choice.
So true
I'm tired of the word 'bossy'. It's demeaning and dehumanizing to women. It tells women that they are bitches if they are self confident and have agency over themselves as individuals.
You know what? I've got to commend the hell out of you. You actually changed my thinking, 100% and you did it with the simplest of wordings. I didn't see that with Gabby necessarily, but I absolutely saw it with Shannan. The "bossy controlling" aspect you described. But no, you're right.... I KNOW you're right, because I've seen it in my own life with people. They act helpless and weak intentionally around other people, to portray as if the other person is"bossy". But like you said, they truly aren't! They're just living in the situation they've been placed in with all the responsibilities on their shoulders. I can't verbalize it or explain it as well as you did, but I fully understand exactly what you're saying.
And I see that now, me perceiving Shannan in that way, is all part of Chris Watts SUCCESSFUL manipulation. That's how he wants people to see her, so that's how they see her.
I'm actually going to internalize this, and reflect on it a bit more.
Same here. It's eerie, the similarities, dynamics, etc.
They see zero value in you and they control and manipulate the narrative...so others see you as they do.
And even if they were playing the leader role who cares?
yeah well spotted. He didn't like being the sidekick. It was a recipe for disaster really. She was really finding her confidence and he was losing his
It's just so sad. No matter how much we analyze covert narcissists, I can't understand a human having the cruelty necessary to murder someone..a sweet, breathing person who had the right to live 😢
Right?! Just leave, there are so many other girls/boys out there..
I think we’re looking at psychopathy, not just a covert
Imagine the altercation at the Mexican restaurant where she goes in and apologized for his behavior. He must have exploded!! The outcome of this relationship is so sad. His parents seem fake and to have a similar power control struggle. At the police stop in moab he actually talked the police to put him in a motel instead of her.
True! I have thought a lot about what the 30 mile drive to the campsite must have been like. I bet she cried and begged him to explain why he was such a butt to the staff there. It made him see himself and he took that misery out on her. 😞
There's video of him talking the Police into putting him into a motel instead of her ? Can you share the link ?
I think that episode is what caused him to kill her, I think right afterwards is when it happened.
@@exitscreaming Towards the end of the two bodycam videos from the police stop.
Yes that true but it is more complicated. Because she didn't speak up for herself confirming that brian was the aggressive one she took the blame thus the policeman looked at the situation differently labeling her as the aggressor. I did remember when they were making accommodations for them to be apart one officer asked if they could put gabbi in a hotel room but she was seen as the aggressor and since the van was hers that is where she would stay.
It's unfortunate these police man were deceived by Brian and they couldn't not spot domestic violence assault and toxic controlling relationships. They are not trained too thats the biggest flaw but gabbi repeatedly said she didn't want to be apart from him. She didn't want to be alone out there.
This case is tragic and as a woman who survived domestic violence I immediately recognized the signs and gabbi wanting so desperately to make her relationship work. Its part of the breaking down of your victim to make them believe you cannot survive without them. You doubt yourself as they gaslight you using many scenarios to cause you to become undone fearful unsure of anything. And you believe it because you cannot believe that someone who says they love you and would never hurt you would do this to you. The unbelievably of it to be real is too much. And for gabbi she lived with this control freak both at home and on the road where is she gonna go?? Then the blog the journey the unmasking of the perfect couple... you think she will get a career out of this mess. No job to come back too she was trapped.
And I do think after the merry piglets restaurant she was done. That was when she saw Brian true colors and it wasn't directed at her. Thats waswhst was different so it couldn't be her fault anymore. His wrath was aimed at the staff and at that point I do believe she saw things crystal clear. She didn't want to be with him anymore but where is she gonna go now. Miles from nowhere trapped with Brian in her ownvan.
This outcome was sketched out perfectly and every event lead you down that road. No turning back.
I hope and play they catch him and bring gabbi some peace 💖💖💖💖💗💗
I just can't believe he "killed" the "love of his life" then left her body there in the wilderness like she was nothing to him at all and didn't report it till later. It's scary to think the person you love intimately is capable of doing the same thing to you.
Thinking about the infamous conversations during 🚓 the drive over to the “battered boyfriend” hotel. Cop says the one ☝🏻 benefit of taking a woman along on long distance drives is her being able to make the man (driver) a sandwich 🥪.
#1 Profession w/highest percentage of DV perpetrators = cops.
For victims, this is like wolves 🐺 being sent to “serve & protect” the sheep 🐑.
Exactly!!! Reminds me of BL fist bumping the cops at the Moab stop. Among like minded friends 🤦♀️
Really?! That's sickening! Too much misogyny from those cops. Hope they feel guilty for what they've done
When I was with my extremely violently abusive narcissist ex, the cops got involved twice.
The first time it was a standard male cop who didn’t give a fuck but gave me the phone number of a female cop.
The second time it was a female cop, and she saved my life. Thank god for female police officers, many of them are truly angels and then don’t get enough credit.
I really disliked their entire interaction with the police when they were pulled over for speeding. It seemed to me that the police were treating Gabby like an over-emotional kid and Brian like a responsible adult right from the start. It was extremely unprofessional and misogynistic.
OMG where is that video?
People who want to portray her as the abusive one seem to think that a woman being "bossy" towards a man somehow is the same as being abusive and in this case enough for him killing her to be excused with some kind of self-defense explanation. As a lot of women know, it doesn't take much for women to be perceived as "bossy b*tches*. And of course she's being "bossy", she's trying to create content for her viewers so she needs to take charge.
Kind of tangential but reminds me a bit of the movie eyes wide shut. A woman’s *fantasy* of an affair - becomes just as bad as if she actually did it. And the husband uses that as an excuse to have *actual* infidelities. 🤦♀️
So true
So very true. Often it’s just when the woman’s job has to take priority for her because of circumstances, or when she makes more money than he does or has a more prestigious job, and it makes him feel inadequate.
Women are considered bossy if they have any sense of self esteem.
Plus he's immature, and irresponsible. He thought he was going to go on this trip and do and say whatever he wanted. He was finally away from mommy, of course he couldn't handle it. He needs mommy's control.
I've paused it at 15.43 when Gabby greets viewers with a hello hello whilst sitting in the tent. I know how the rest of this goes but I'm looking ahead and wonder how others interpret Gabby's emotions at that moment. To me, she looks like she has been crying and has conjured up with some difficulty the appearance of 'everything is fine with us this morning.' (Her vlogging was a means of making a living NOT for vanity or attention ) I actually think they had a humongous argument that morning. Her eyes are so red and she just seems so depleted. .........................Oh and the way he creeps up to the back of the van whilst she's talking to us when she gets the cereal He needed to know what she was saying. RIP Gabby darling. They'll catch that mongrel.
I thought this too.
I noticed it too 😥
I know! I thought her eyes looked a bit red & swollen as if she had been crying & was trying to look cheery for the video.
This scene has always stood out to me as well. Especially when she comes out of the tent and looks at Brian. Gabby looks at him like she's having to walk on eggshells, not knowing what behavior to expect from him. That and the time she was in the tent by herself in the pouring rain. Where was Brian? In HER van in the pouring rain? So many unanswered questions.
@@Iris-gy2miThat scene has been more compelling to me than visions of her in Moab. Compelling given what we know about the relationship today.
It’s so scary to think the relationship is somewhat ok, that there may be some normal up’s and downs, but then your partner takes rage to a whole darker level is horrifying. Wow. We, women, especially need to pay close attention to consistent warning signs, red flags; and ✋ stop excusing bad behaviour no matter who commits it. And when we notice bad behaviour over and over. Get out, leave. Pay close attention to the subtle cues. Learn what those cues are, don’t dismiss them or it. Because when there’s one, there’s another, etc.
One of the best advice for women is to ask the boyfriends relationship with their mother.It tells a lot.Narcisism runs in the family!Chris Watts mum is a perfect example!
Totally agree
The thing is that we often learn this the older we get.. Gabbie didn’t have the chance ☹️
@@asllaniiiii very true! My husbands parents are both violent narcissists. Saw their behavior first hand, was horrified and refused to have them in my home after the dad physically attacked my husband in front of our 4 year old granddaughter. No wonder my husband is a violent, cold covert narcissist… his mother never bonded with him, she didn’t protect him from predators and took no blame for her neglect of his needs as a small boy. Mental and physical abuse has ruined this entire family… even worse: these broken people go out into the world and have children with others who have no history or experience with these broken people, ruining entire families along the way.
100% Phabulous1 one.
BUT the most important thing to know, is once you have figured this out, DO NOT TELL THEM YOU ARE GOING TO LEAVE.
Do not hint around that 'things need to change,' do not give them a chance to 'do better,' do not try to talk about it and 'work it out.' Your life is most in danger at the point they think you might try to leave.
Before it occurs to them that you might be thinking of leaving, you need to be safe distance away. (And be smart enough to stay away, no matter how convincing they are in telling you that you 'misunderstood.')
I fear that Gabby may have told Brian she was having doubts about being with him, and he killed her rather than let her leave.
He calls her his sidekick, but they are driving in her car!
Typical narcissist - one of their favourite motto's is "What's mine is mine. What's yours is... mine also".
@@geo2720 I agree. I have a son like that.
I really like how you noticed their microexpressions and are right on point with the tension in their relationship. He is extremely controlling and very insecure about his relationship with Gabby. She has an excellent personality and is very beautiful, while he is…ugly and knows she will eventually leave him. As long as he can keep her insecure she will stay with him. He definitely sees her social media ambitions as a threat to the relationship.
Completely agree
Spot on....he was out of his depth 👍. And he knew it 👈
Brian's attitude is identical to that of Chris Watts. I love that you pointed out that both women were unaware of the fakeness of their partners. Too many people still blame the victim.
I actually think Brian is a lot like Chris Watts but not so convincing with his cover. CW let his anger boil over inside whereas Brian appears to have been physically and verbally aggressive for some time before Gabbys murder.
Yes. I wonder if physical DV has been a pattern for a long time with BL, whereas CW didn't show obvious violent tendencies or have witnesses to physical fights. Anyone who will physically fight in public will probably do so much worse in private! Frightening.
I respectfully disagree. CW needed her to disappear so he can have his new life. BL needs Gabby, it’s the opposite. He just lost control of his DV and raged. CW was calculated. This was an act of rage that ruined his life. CW was expecting his life to upgrade
@@colleenharding8665 that's such an interesting take
@@colleenharding8665 I don’t think BL “needed” Gabby. I think they were just used to being a couple for so long they didn’t know that they could or should end it. I think each one was deluded enough as naive young people to think that the other one wanted or could be coerced into wanting what they themselves wanted.
This video is 100% correct that both CW and BL hate the radiance of these women, and envy them
Anyone see the similarities with Chris being jealous od shananns social media presence and Brian with gabby on gabbys videos?
Yes i see similarities with chris watts
Absolutely
He was a monster who played well!!! None.of.us had a clue until she was in North Carolina 😥 I still pray he yells the whole truth onsday! NK was involved! This case is just as crazy as my friends 😥🙏🙏🙏💜💜💜💜
Definitely
Which is ridiculous when you think both of these online presences were for work reasons.
When she says Brian’s doing morning yoga she looks afraid of him. I would guess he was super pissed off at her the night before about something.
Ty.
I thought it looked like she had been crying..
Where exactly WAS he when she needed rescued from the desert rainstorm? She was alone trying to hold the tent up.
When you are a van lifer etc all videos and photos are staged because you earn money from the clicks that is how you support yourself. Gabby would not have wanted to convey any fear in her videos because that would do the opposite of what you want.
I got that impression too.
I felt something similar in that clip. She was so subdued, and her eyes looked a bit red and puffy. The vibe I got was that they had had an argument and it hadn't been an easy morning. She kept glancing off camera to him when she was making her yogurt too. Not her usual self, but a bit guarded as she talked about the melted chocolate and such. Maybe she was concerned about setting him off about something.
@@ColoradoMelody agree 👍🏼
Well if you listen to him talking to the police and compare it with Chris W talking to the police on his front porch, it's no different. We already know CW is a covert narcissist
And a psychopath!!!
She seemed like such a sweetheart. Like a gentle, lovely, kind genuine girl. I just can't wrap my head around her being dead.
I am not in any way justifying what happened in this case, in fact I'm not specifically talking about Gabby and Brian. I'm looking at the general trend for people to vlog their daily lives. I just don't see how this can be a healthy lifestyle, no matter what type of personality you have. To be constantly recorded is not natural. I think it would make it harder for anyone to truly be their self.
I agree but he was doing his own things ... he just didn't seem to want to do hers.
100% agreed. Not healthy lifestyle especially for a newer intimate relationship. He looks disappointed and like there interactions are authentic or idk there own? No reason the abuse ..or murder anyone jeez but yeah not healthy style imo.
100% - not saying anyone deserves this, but I believe this to be the exact cause in both this case and that of Chris Watts. The vanity and constant obsession with filming everything could easily drive an introvert crazy. (Again not saying it justifies murder!)
I agree that it is not healthy. Brian didn’t seem comfortable with it and that’s a perfectly fine feeling for him to have had. I think a lot of people wouldn’t be. But that was her life and if he didn’t like it, there is such a thing as breaking up!
I completely agree about the vlogging...can't understand why anyone would want to do it. I'm also absolutely certain that Brian would have been an abusive nightmare under any circumstances.
Covert Narcissists have major mother issues. Started way before he met Gabby - that's why he's Covert
Yes! Mine did for sure.
What kind of mother issues is it?
What would be the issues?
His eyes just look dead to me in those slow motion shots. The rest of his face is showing a smile but the eyes look blank and dead. It reminds me of a fake laugh someone gives when they are uncomfortable.
Gabby talking in the tent that morning seems like she has puffy eyes from possibly crying & the way she said the plan is to stay in the tent after the storm has passed is strange to me.
I noticed that too. I had a driver's license photo like that. My exhusband used to make me cry the night before an important event or photo. I'd try everything to deputy, but it's doesn't work. I noticed her eyes right away
I think she looked like she had been crying too.
Her voice seemed strained as well.
Exactly WHERE was B. when she needed help w the tent? Was he comfortably sleeping in the van? Grrr
@@cougarbee
Were we married to the same a-hole? 😗😉
@@ColoradoMelody 🤣🤣🤣wouldn't surprise me. He had me so I couldn't see all the lies!
I agree she looks like she cried all night or at least for hours
His likeness to Chris Watts is uncanny..
I think one of the scary things about covert narcissists is that they will ascribe sentiments to you, that you don’t have, particularly that ‘you think you’re better than them’
My narc x called me an emotional roller coaster when I’m very calm and anything but.
Why do they do this and what’s the best way to respond?
@@mccairemichigan3032 best way to respond? no contact ;) if you can leave, leave, otherwise, use method called grey rock. I don't have personal experience or expert knowledge though, just heard of it and makes sense to me. Don't internalize what they say though.
@@mccairemichigan3032 projection.
They hate themselves so they project their awful traits onto you - to take you down a peg, also giving them supply.
This includes a 'smear campaign' via telling others about your supposed traits - it's chilling how accurate this is about their traits and behaviours without your knowledge. They really want to transfer their shame onto you.
How is he like CW? Brian is bossy to Gabby, CW was never bossy.
Chris Watts vibes, for sure. Weird family dynamics like Watts has too.
The parents do seem very similar
If Brian was able to belt her in public, lie to police about having a cellphone, create a scene in a restaurant, then he was probably 100% worse in private...
The fact he scarperred, lawyered up and his parents have "ammended dates" of brian going hiking are all very indicative of guilt.
Its so incredibly sad, yet her parents are helping to highlight other missing persons, in Gabbys honour....
I totally think that you’re spot on in your description of him/them/their relationship. I’ve always had the thought that any success she was finding in having a following on social media, he had a problem with. It was all attention towards her (or that’s absolutely how HE interpreted it) and I’ve been through an abusive relationship, my ex forced me to delete my Facebook but he still had one. Or he’d be jealous of people I’d accept as friends even if I had known them the majority of my life, but if it was a man, forget it, he was seeing red.
Gabby had a personality that drew people to her. She was light and love and positivity, always shining like the sun, catching the eye of probably most people she encountered as she just had that radiant beauty. He likely couldn’t stand any of it. I think when the police interview where she said that he didn’t believe she could do any of it was SO telling of how he felt about it. He was probably tearing her apart, all while she just wanted to share her life and grow her platform. His insecurities took over and he didn’t want to make room to let anything in. If he wasn’t what her entire world revolved around, then he was making her miserable. I guarantee it. The more success she found, the more he’d want to control her. He wanted her in the little bubble he wanted her in, but she wasn’t someone who could stay inside of such a small bubble. She was spreading her wings, and he was clipping them. He makes me sick. It’s so sad because I’ve lived through so much abuse, so I know that horrible controlling, manipulative, possessiveness that she was living through and it breaks my heart into pieces. 😢
I feel your pain, my dear one
So eloquently and sincerely written.
I was in a long term marriage w/ a guy who would “rage” out of nowhere. He would look @me in the same manner as BL as I was very outgoing.
To outsiders his looking @me Seemed like he Adored me BUT in Reality, he was Studying My Character. The thought of it is Very Creepy in hindsight. I did not become aware of NPD until I was out of the relationship so it’s not always easy to Know what’s Wrong when you have no
Knowledge of it. R.I.P Gabby & may her loved ones get closure soon💙
Why are you capitalizing random words?
@@TheAtl198 My phone does this too when i'm typing and using predictive text.
Been there done that. F covert narcs
@@TheAtl198 they aren't capitalized randomly. The words are capitalized for emphasis.
Exactly, for those of us with personal experience theirs not a shadow of doubt what was happening when they were pulled over by cops! Even the bit where he says yes she has a licence but isn’t a confident driver? Bet she was before she met him! Glad you got out safely, take care may GABBY R.I.P♥️🌹
The body doesn't lie, and you teach it. That's impressive.
Damn, this is outstanding! This analysis is the one thing that is really important about this case. I don't understand why your channel doesn't have 10 times more subscribers.
I think the granola scene was very interesting. It seems like he even controlled the food and what she was doing with it. She used the term “steal“ from “his“ granola. And she seems intimidated and awkward the whole time, as if she is doing something she might get in trouble for. When she discovers that the chocolate has melted she is very apologetic and insecure, as if it's her fault. He seems grumpy the whole time, warns her: “Be cautious!“ and keeps hovering over her as long as she handles the food... this might be a typical scenario where conflicts would erupt.
I've read a similar comment on another thread and that was my exact thought. Almost like she is a child while he is a parental figure and she was trying to "sneak" the food like she isn't allowed to eat it.
@@ashleybrittingham5488 More like HE is the ocd guy with something critical to say about everything. If that comes off to you as "parental" that is your own experience bias.
@@bewell6019 I was saying it in regards of her looking over her shoulder constantly while making her food. She was literally "walking on eggshells" and was very uneasy around him. Once again almost like she is a child waiting to be scolded. It has nothing to do with her Ocd with the way she was acting. She was straight up on edge filming that piece. One wrong move and he will snap is what she's thinking. I'm talking about her body language...not sure what you are referring to?
@@ashleybrittingham5488 I very much appreciate what you had sensed in her body language. It's just the characterization of her being childlike and him a parent to describe it doesn't fit. It presents it as a playful and warranted action of a kid in the cookie jar.
"Walking on eggshells is the best description for anyone who is around a person who has erratic, explosive, and unpredictable behavior.
This can occur anywhere and with anyone. From your boss, friends, your parents, siblings, co-worker, and most commonly found with a spouse or partner.
It’s like living in fear knowing a single word, action, or just anything can set them off. You just realize that you are always walking on eggshells, always careful with everything you do and say to avoid any conflict."
I didn't mean to sound like I was snapping at you either :) Thanks for your post!!
Narc ex never shared any food while I bought stuff for me the kids and him… all while judging everything I ate
I love gabbys style. No doubt she would’ve gone far with youtube. I can see why he was jealous. She was so vibrant and talented
To me him taking her van “what she says she loves” was like a trophy to him. And leaving her behind in the process. Very sick and almost seems like it was to him as he won and she lost.
He really enjoyed putting 3 brand new stickers on the back of the van. Ya know, it now being his and all.
He doesn't mind hurting her, but she feels guilty for 'hurting' him. She was not taught how to fight back so gave into him. I'm vicious and would have called the cops and reported him for grand theft. Hand over my keys or you are going to prison. I have packed my shit up from a soon to be ex's apartment, told him off and left. For good.
Gabby was and is a free spirit,he wasn't and never shall be. Rip beautiful soul,always know you shall never be forgotten. Shine brightly 🙏
I noticed that all of the scenes are recorded in isolated places, there are never any other people around.
And thus no extra narcissistic supply for Brian.
So no one can wake here up.....
Because Brian wanted her to himself. The only way to keep men away from her was isolating her in remote places. When a man does that he’s asserting himself as THE WARDEN and victim is HIS PRISONER. It’s beyond obvious he murdered her because she was leaving him for good August 28 when gabby was going off with rose who supposedly disliked Brian
It's funny, cos the beach scenes were good...cos they were empty...
Well to be fair when we go hiking & camping we enjoy the fact we get away from humans & just be amongst nature. In saying that this type of atmosphere would suit BL so he had his victim all to himself and had no interference of anyone that else.
I bet he was supposed to do some yoga poses for the camera, and he threw her off guard by just sitting there instead. Narcs love to throw you off balance.
They really do.
That reminded me that 5he narcissistic is empowered and feels fine after a night of making his partner cry, she's puffy and subdued, trying to sooth herself
Insightful, I bet you are right about that.
Good catch! It looks like he stopped doing yoga and sits there sulking, so to not do her a favour.
omg, maybe some people don't like being filmed and don't want to pose for the camera. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
I lost a large social media audience due to my narcissist ex-husband's control as well. He was proud at first of my online success (I think?) but it quickly turned to jealousy and resentment. He certainly enjoyed the free trips around the world. But even then, looking at his social posts from those trips now, it's SO CLEAR that it was all about him, even on the trips I'd earned through my work online. Hindsight is so clear.
I’m so sorry about that. If you built it once you can rebuild it and many old fans may refind you! You can do it!
Really enjoyed this longer video.
I’m never ready for them to end!
Thank you.
The way Brian's behaviour is described, really reminds me of my past relationship. I was never fearful of my ex in a physical sense but this shows how things can take a turn for the worse, as they did for poor Gabby. I wish she would have had the chance to see him for what he really was and escape all this before it was too late. Thank you for making these important videos.
It’s scary to think you have the perfect partner when really they are a covert narcissist. It must make you feel crazy, because they’re seemingly so perfect and then all of a sudden they’re hurting you in some way. I can imagine how easy it is to brush it off as an outlier moment. I can even imagine it must be your fault, because they are so low key around everyone else. So sad. Rest peacefully now, Gabby; you are greatly missed.
don't believe the perfect facade, test the person in the early stages of dating by seeing how they respond to a no
do they try to manipulate and convince you to go along with what they want? or do they respect your decision?
also, do their words align with their actions?
Spot on. You provide a valuable service to humanity with this level of work.
What do you suspect the parents of Brian Laundry and Chris Watts’s personalities and parenting styles would have looked like toward their sons? Both Chris and Brian ran to their parents to protect them from the consequences of their really horrific behavior…so weird.
Obviously not Christian since they both ignored “Thou Shall not kill.”
@@coloradobrad6779 Christians will sin too. However, it is interesting that the households they both grew up in seemed to mock religion and favored anything else but Christianity. Ignoring primary tenets and values embraced by founders of the nation. Of course they will "feel out of place" and he would need their protection when he is perceived to have done things wrong.
I think they were protected by their mommy's. And their dad's had gone along with it. Sociopaths raise sociopaths. Gabby was the stranger who could be abused by all of them. Why is nothing of Gabby's in Brian's room? Because it was HIS room. She probably had to keep her things in the storage unit?Ron Watts was probably a momma's boy too.
Not enough to draw conclusions but I do wonder. 2 not enough to draw stats, but wish someone would study this :) Certainly seems often parent is also a narc.
So many similarities to Chris Watts. Even looks a bit like him.
True 💯☹️
It's the empty eyes or at least, that's what I see
@@cm9317 yes there is a sort of blankness to both of them. A stiffness.
And the same loser vibes
Same droopy dead eyes.
She had everything he wished he’d had. And he punished her for that. A truly disturbed individual. RIP Gabby.
I love to see updates from you. Love this channel 🥰
was in the same sort of narcissistic relationship at their age, and its such a hard transition in life going from being considered a child, to moving into adulthood. To be with someone who doesn't think the same way you do about compassion and affection is extremely difficult and stressful, which comes out with all of the arguing this couple went through.
Being so young, its hard to recognize the toxicity of this sort of partnership. I taught myself to exist for the good parts and to ignore the bad. I lost who I was by doing this. Gabby fought for her own beliefs unconsciously without understanding why.
Knowing how Brian thinks is going to be a key to figuring out where he may have gone when he took off after leaving his parent's in FL.
Seeing all the footage Gabby filmed, how wonderful and bubbly she is in those minutes, it's bringing me to tears. I wish someone would have told her to run far, far away from Brian before the van life trip could ever happen. I don't think he even really liked her, he was just "playing a part".
You can intuitively deduct she was constantly trying to just make him feel loved…because she did love him truly, but he kept it over her head that he THOUGHT she didn’t.
I wonder if the trip was his idea. If there were jealousy and control issues, that would be a way of keeping her from other people and allowing him more control.
Yessss!!
I heard it was her idea because she wanted to make the travel vlog, and he just went along without that much enthusiasm
It was Gabby's dream. She planned for it for 9 months according to her dad. It was also her money that she alone had saved. The only thing was that she didn't want to be out there on the road traveling alone so she engaged Brian to do it with her. I don't think he enjoyed the orchestrated videos. We know that he resented the time she spent on the vlog and social media. He actively discouraged her and tried to instill doubt. She wasn't going to talk about that openly because she was always trying to present this cuddly loving united front to her audience. Behind the scenes things weren't so rosy.
@@bewell6019 Yeah I don't know about all that but Roberta Laundrie was never a prosecutor nor did she work for the D.A. It's a persistent rumor that's been debunked.
Yes!!! She quit her job and likely lost friendships on the road. She was far from her support system.
Honestly, it is so hard for me to distinguish a covert narcissist that I prefer to not have a relationship, especially after scaping a sociopath
Here to learn! Thank you, Zoe!
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I’ve lived with this. You are damned if you do and damned if you don’t most days. Their needs are endless and impossible to meet and the rage like nothing if seen before. If I didn’t engage eye contact while he was speaking he would rage. I’m glad to be free
Such a sad point that Shan'ann and Gabby did NOT understand that these guys were harboring so much resentment...
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They never noticed because they came second to the social media obsession
🙁 not sympathising with them, just understanding how it might have tortured them.
She may well have understood and was making plans to leave/get away but he picked up on that or outright found out. Him killing her because he could not stand her leaving and him not having that control. I think we need to give them back their power by acknowledging they may have realised it but couldn't instantly leave due to the likelihood of being harmed or killed. Or knew things were not great because they were living it and they weren't but that didn't change the fact if they left they could still easily be hurt or killed. The need to appease or tiptoe away across months. On here we have people commenting they are trying to leave but can't do it all at once due to finances/situation/circumstance.
@@HukurouCrow Thank you for pointing that out to others. Yes, we don't know what was going through their minds and we do need to give them back their power. I have suspected for some time that Gabby telling Brian she wasn't happy and wanted to end the relationship could well have have been the exact reason he killed her. People have given me flack for that ("you don't know that" etc etc) but based on personal experience, it makes complete sense to me.
Sidekick!? 😧 yes, was thinking he’s like the Watts guy. Another RUclipsr said that he couldn’t find any friends of Brian Lsundrie - apparently Watts didn’t have any friends either - seems to be a thing with these kind of people.
Btw think blonde suits you very well!
Evil did have friends. Just didn't associate much. Most were mutual friends made from work between him and Shan'ann. He didn't have many. He played well for years!!!!😥💜💜💜💜
Spot on analysis. I’ve had two major relationships with covert narcissists and both were incredibly traumatic. Lucky I am still here.
She was so amazing and beautiful, and it shocked me to see such a sad story come out of this kind hearted woman. Rip Gabby Petito
He had asked me how to deal with a dead body after murder so as to destroy evidence and get away with it. At the time, I didn’t realise that he was taking about what to do with my body after he had killed me.
We were watching a program where the murderer had left some forensic evidence or made some mistakes and I had pointed them out.
A long time later when he started to scare me with actual threats, I explained to him why he couldn’t get away with it, forensically speaking, in graphic detail. I also reminded him that there is no beer, smokes or Foxtel in prison.
These coverts are probably having terrible thoughts long before they kill. That last still of Chris Watts looking at Shannan makes my blood run cold, I wonder how long before he murdered his family that video was filmed.
Thanks for sharing, you're probably lucky to have your life atm. Quick question, would he make jokes about murdering you?
@@FlabbyAbi No he wanted the house. He was sick and he wanted me to leave or get rid of me so that he could leave the house to his children. Sometimes when he was angry his eyes went black and I thought he would try. He would drive down a quiet dirt road and I would ask where he was taking me, he replied that he was taking me out to the bush to kill me. He laughed at my fear. Sometimes he would come into my room in the middle of the night and watch me until I woke up. He terrorised me and I kept talking him out of it. I would have to become homeless if I left. He passed away 18 months ago.
This! I was a police officer and my exhusband would ask me questions about how people fake domestic violence to get revenge on their partners and have them arrested. I was so infatuated with my work that I didn’t think much of it and shared details engaging in what i thought was geniune conversation. Unbeknownst to me, he later threatened to make false allegations against me so i could get fired and never work in law enforcement again.
@@anonymoususer4866 they seem to have no conscience whatsoever. They don’t care how much they hurt you and try to ruin your life. Monsters. I hope they find Brian Laundrie soon, that monster needs to get what’s coming to him.
This is such a heartbreaking tragedy, but I found it unintentionally hilarious at 13:07 when she said "she moves naturally...he's wooden..." The delivery of that sentence made me chuckle. And it's so true! He's just playing a part, but the world knows his true nature now!
This is incredible quality insight: it shows clearly, irrefutably that Brian's behaviour -even at the best times - was not that of a truly loving and supportive second half.
He’s frighteningly like Chris Watts….that awkward behaviour, fake smiles. He makes me fume.
Your smile always makes me smile. You have such a beautiful energy. 🙏✨
I always got such Chris Warrs vibes from Brian. That same, unnatural calm that hides a cold, cold heart. RIP Gaby. 😭❤💔
I really hope at Gabby’s murder trial they have great prosecution lawyers who can look into this stuff. I think there’s a good chance Brian could claim self defence as Gabby was determined the aggressor when the police pulled them over. It’s amazing how much people don’t understand about abusive relationships. It would be a shame to see him go free because of these misconceptions.
Gotta find him 1st.
It's obvious number one the size difference between the two of them. She was tall and thin, but he's a man and men are always 10 times stronger than a woman, so I am sick about the way police handled the situation when they were stopped, I could see multiple warnings she was a battered woman, these officers need trained to recognize the signs, Brian was far from abused by Gabby.
Sure , he could claim self-defense if it came to a trial , but so what ? People on trial claim all sorts of things . The Police and their decision making would obviously be on trial then also . How do you think that would play out ?
I think, he would never get away with it. After Gabby was dead, Brian left her body in the wilderness, drove home, then fled and he also stole Gabby’s credit card.
Hopefully the police have some evidence on him too.
Plus, the autopsy report hasn’t been published, yet. Maybe “self defense” as a motive is completely out of the picture, when the autopsy report comes out.
She wasn’t determined to be the aggressor as they didn’t press any charges, and they have the other witness testimony of him hitting her on the street prior to the traffic stop. So, no. This wouldn’t hold any water with a judge or a jury.
I also think he was jealous of her SM interactions with other vanlifers via messages and comments. Always tagging her photos . I think her mood was closely connected to her 'friends' on her Instagram and he was jealous of men and women
I didn't know they were tagging her, but I can imagine anything like that would have made him jealous.
@@LiveAbuseFree yup. I meant her hashtagging popular hashtags too and the attention it would attract to her acct!
such a good point!
@@genevievelovell4204 yes I noticed that too - she had been getting comments from bigger brands like REI. If he is anti waste and consumerism that probably bothered him too
THANK YOU FOR SHEDDING SOOO MUCH LIGHT ON NARCISSISTIC MY EX WAS CLINICALLY LABELED AS ONE 😥🙏🙏🙏
The problem with his humble persona is his art and what he reads - very very very dark and violent. Big red flag.
I noticed staged scenes in the video. Like him doing yoga or checking under the hood. She probably had to stay on his "good side" to get him to participate in that stuff.
He's very self conscious about his receding hairline. He doesn't like his head to show if it isn't shaven.
Can't stand him calling her a sidekick. 😡
You are spot on with this whole video. This is exactly what I picked up on when I first watched her video. I had complete chills and knew instinctively something was very wrong.
Thank you for putting this out here. I hope it teaches people to be aware of these demons that lurk amongst us. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Omg that clip you just showed in the tent. That poor sweet soul just looks so Drained! Looks like she has been 😢 her eyes out. I wonder if she even realized she was in an Abusive relationship! RIP 🙏
I think in the scene where she says: “I love the van”, he was probably thinking she was going to say: “I love this man”…I get the impression that he expected that and was beyond angry when it didn’t happen. Every time I see that scene that thought crosses my mind.
I don't think this is entirely fair. If I dislike or shy away from social media does that mean I have a personality disorder? I find that needing to broadcast our lives online is a bit of a cringe .. is that not socially acceptable to think that way?
I agree with you. She changed over time. He felt he was losing her. I’m sure he killed her accidentally in a fit of rage.
I agree... I wouldnt want to be in the photos, i would want to enjoy the travels. I also feel everything is pressed in the angel and the devil narcisist... There's a lot to know and learn but i feel everything he did is "wrong"... Anyrhing he would or wouldnt do would be interpreted as you see, a narcisist!
He was on social media himself. He was bragging about how environmentally aware he was and criticizing people for using plastic bottles. He was writing philosophical musings too. He also knew she was going to be vlogging when they went on the trip. He wasn't shy. He was being aloof out of contempt. He could have said he didn't want to be in the vlog, but he didn't. He pretended to support it and then belittled it.
Your videos are so valuable, thank you for making them. I always wish that more people could see the signs of covert narcissism, but for most people that have not been in a relationship with a covert narcissist, it’s very hard to recognize. Thank you for being a great teacher ❤️
To be honest, how he behaves during the vlog looks like how I would behave if I was going on a roadtrip with my boyfriend and he spent half the time talking to the camera, posing in front of the camera and posing me as well. I can see myself steadily getting more and more irritated, mainly because I just don't like not being myself and I don't like feeling like I'm an accessory for someone else. Also don't like feeling ignored.
I'm not justifying anything Brian did, but for the vlog part of it, I'm not totally on board with what you're saying. I don't know, maybe that means I have narcissistic tendencies.
This is how I felt when I went on a Disney trip with my family (me and my adult siblings and all of our children). One of my sisters kept wanting to take photos and I eventually got annoyed, not because I wasn’t in charge of the shot, but because I was like, “dang, can’t I just enjoy myself? This is a once in a lifetime trip and I wanna go make some memories, not waste time posing for a camera.” So I get what you’re saying.
Totally agree with you. There is so much surmising going on here with very glib conclusions being drawn based on basically nothing.
Is everyone who is awkward in front of a camera a potential murderer now?
People are a mystery, their inner life hidden and we will never know what happened between this couple to cause such tragedy
Yeah was about to say the same. Filming your whole trip and posting everywhere online doesn't mean confidence and being yourself to me. It's a persona she put on and true confidence is something different. Different than both of them in my opinion. It's neither forcing to be confident or hate yourself so I don't agree with all the people saying that. They both had their own issues and toxic relationship and should have worked on them individually or together but most people don't see it.
I agree, maybe he was a narcissist, but we didn't get to see here any red flags from this guy, only thoughts on how covert narcissist would feel in those certain situations. But tbh I would feel a little hurt and pissed too being that guy, if someone was using me in a vlog for the content, showed my face for a split of a second and before I start smiling to the camera, the camera already shows food. Same with the pulling and pushing away. I know it wasn't on purpose to hurt his feeling, but if someone do these things repeatedly to you it gets to you eventually, that maybe someone isn't treating you with respect ans kind of use you for the content. Most of communication is body language and if someone is behaving with you these way and ignores you looking in the camera it doesn't feel nice. Does it feel nice when someone is talking to you while looking at their phone, even if you know their checking something 'important"?
Nope. It just means you dont want to feel like a prop in someone's NARCISSIST movie.
Sad he wasn't able to recognize his being uncomfortable with this setup and get out and let her have her way.
Thank you thank you! I love seeing you in my feed, booboo!
Yay! Thank you! 🤗
Thank you please others leave your boyfriend husband !!!
I left mine and he was NARCISSISTIC CONTROLLING AND ABUSIVE but a wonderfully man in public 😥🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Good on you for leaving! 🤗
Omg Paula same here. Went through hell and he was still looking to meet up while starting a new relationship. He is all loved up on social media. I was sad but realised I was grieving what never was only a loss of several years of my life. I am little by little realising she will go through the same thing and god help her . Poor thing. As she looks lovely and happy the way I was before I met him. I just hope she gets out sooner rather than later .are you ok now?
Loving the music you have chosen for this Zoe. Perfect
This is the music Gabby picked for her video. It is good isn't it. Although the composer is claiming copyright!
@@LiveAbuseFreeOh. It was lovely and appropriate
In every video it's so clear that she loves him so much. It's horrifying and heartbreaking.
This is brilliant. You point out subtle things and nuances that aren't obvious at a glance. Love your channel. Your narration is wonderful.
I feel this video taught me more about what a covert narcissist is ... I was confused because people say that coverts appear to be "shy and nice," and I struggled to see someone playing "shy and nice" turning murderous. I see it now, though.
Seems important to note that the person with NPD typically does not consciously scheme and manipulate. Isn't the behavior almost instinctual? They learned to survive and function very early in life by pretending or fronting for parents, teachers, peers, etc. As a result, no real identity formed, and the charade just becomes more and more complex. The person with the personality disorder has no real idea why they behave the way they behave, and the people in their lives don't realize what's happening either.