Love what you are doing to spread the genius of Scriabin!!! I love his music too and I also can relate to the autism spectrum; my son has been diagnosed to be on the spectrum and he is still non verbal, but loves music almost as much as I do...perhaps I am on the spectrum as well, just undiagnosed. But regardless of this, I truly believe in the power of music to heal and move the soul and I appreciate your approach to this topic in dealing with Scriabin...btw, where did you get that awesome shirt???
Good video but very reachy, like Scriabins son being great at piano at a young age has nothing to do with autism its pretty common for children of composers or masters in any field
@@jaybeardmusic8074 definitely more common, I mean who knows how many hours of practice he got in by 11 his dad was scriabin after all. My point is one of the best composers oat's son being good at music isnt really an indicator of autism, also he wrote atonally cuz thats what his dad did
@@Fildoggy I agree with you on that point, but also autism can be very herietitary and can run in families very often, so Scriabin’s son might have been autistic. Maybe.
Neurodivergence is something that we can’t really do more than speculate in without being able to do an in-depth assessment, especially in someone that lived as long ago as Scriabin. I think this is an interesting video, but it definitely doesn’t make much of an argument. He’s certainly a genius and definitely odd - a lot of the biographical work in him does point to certain sensory-seeking behaviours and a *lot* of restrictive/repetitive interests which are certainly part of the DSM-V and ICD-11 criteria for Autism Spectrum Condition - but ultimately there is evidence to suggest otherwise as well. For instance, his high level of empathy which was expressed from a young age implies that his ability to suscept the emotions/intentions of others was not impaired. From the little we know of him as a child, he was interested in playing with other children and despite being bullied for his slight stature and feminine habits, he was capable of making and sustaining friendships. Regardless, whatever neurodivergence he may or may not have had, he had a wonderful mind that produced some unbelievable music for us all.
High intellectual capabilities and ADHD share a lot of characteristics with autism. And I think it is plausible that Scriabin had high intellectual capabilities. Also, for the example of the op 2 no 1, I don’t think being 15 when he composed it is too young, most composers had composed serious works at that age, and most people have already developed musical maturity at an age around 14-17. But this is just picking on the details and you have convinced me with this video. Is there any paper or something that supports this theory
Yea, he very well could have had adhd instead or in addition! The superstitious/grandeur trait can even be linked to schizotypal personality disorder. Hard to say exactly, but he seems to be some version of neurodivergent! I don’t know of anything official written on the subject. I heard people suggesting the idea online and looked into it myself.
These facts all seem _quite convincing_ at first glance. But they all can be *unmasked* with a detailed examination of 1) *Development.* If a person is characterized by early development, it is not necessarily autistic. It is possible that his parents and teachers worked hard with him. Or maybe he is a genius himself. There are a lot of examples. The first one that comes to my mind is Sergei Prokofiev, who enter the conservatory when he was 13 years old! 2) *Socialization.* Well, both in our days and those times there were poorly socialized people. Again, this is not a sign that a person is autistic. Perhaps the environment is. Or maybe he's shy by nature and needs to be approached. Or maybe he behaves very confidently with some people. 3) *Synesthesia.* I cannot say anything about this, since I do not possess such a -disease- gift. I know a girl who has synesthesia. And she, of course, clearly has an autistic spectrum. But that could just be a coincidence. 4) *Obsessions.* Well, there's nothing to talk about. Many, many, many people can be obsessed with their favorite thing or cause. It's a matter of interest. 5) *Delusions of Grandeur.* I can't say anything about that either. I can only correct: Scriabin was born on January 6. And Christmas is January 7. And where, in fact, is the information that he was a megalomaniac and that he called himself a god? 6) *Family.* This point also seems to have been sucked from the finger. You even said yourself that his parents were not autistic. As for his son... that's far from a fact either. Where is your evidence that he was autistic? It's just that his dad probably taught him harmony from a young age. And they had his father's music in the house all the time. So he got a lot of it. *As a result,* I often hear people try to attribute autism to great composers, like Mozart, Beethoven, Scriabin, Chopin. But, in fact, that's just jealousy. For me, only envy encourages people to say such things. P.S. But anyway, Horowitz once said: _"He was crazy, you know?"_ What he meant by that is anyone's guess.
Jealousy but also not understandable for people. Because of their high intelligence and complex unique and own music. IQ plays the biggest part in this spectrum. Also about the synesthesia part, this usually comes with kids at a young age by their abstractly thinking mind which also relates to having a high intelligence. And with high I mean 165+.
This is quite good a video, although may I add, it's not the best thing to upload on Scriabin's birthday. Speaking of which, happy birthday Scwiabin zaddy!
Thanks! Love that final comment! Haha What’s wrong with posting this on his birthday? I suppose some people think autism is a bad thing, but I challenge that notion and I think Scriabin wouldn’t have been the person he was without being autistic.
I really don’t understand why people are hating you for doing this. You are simply speculating on Scriabin’s life, which is great. I mean, that’s what historians do on a regular basis. They look at past people and events through a modern lense and you are effectively doing that by showing signs of Scriabin’s possible autism. We will never know if he really was autistic, but this does certainly provide Music history with an interesting perspective and shows you how a lot of neurodivergents are out of the box thinkers. Them hating you for thinking that Scriabin might have been autistic is like when an autistic person makes a video of him or her stimming and the comments are like “No YoUrE NoT AuTistic!” I am proud of you for making this interesting video as I am a classical pianist that is autistic.
Thanks so much for the encouragement! I think a lot of people don’t know about the traits of autism to begin with so they don’t take these signs as very significant. However, autistic people who knows the traits all too well hear “feminine guy that’s musically gifted and socially withdrawn” and it sounds familiar haha. I find a lot of autistic pianists love Scriabin! (Myself included)
@@jaybeardmusic8074 I think when an allistic hears the word autistic, they either think of a scientist that’s the most reclusive person imaginable, or they think of a child that puts holes in walls. As an autistic, when I hear the words “Very shy musician with odd interests.” That just screams autistic person to me. Also, Scriabin was one of Glenn Gould’s favorite composers, and a lot of people that knew Glenn Gould think that Gould was autistic. Usually, when there is a very common special interest in autistics, it’s usually because the interest is the creation of an autistic person. You know why a lot of us like Pokémon? It’s because the creator of Pokémon is autistic. Since this seems to be the case, I wonder if the steam engine AKA train was invented by an autistic person. In order to have invented the train, you would need a great understanding of complex machinery.
He didnt have autism, he was just extremely gifted. Iq over 180-190. Same goes for Mozart. Has nothing to do with autism. Synesthesia had to do with his high physica, which comes with a high intelligence.
Témoignage d'Horowitz qui a vu Scriabine bourré de tics : "he was crazy, you know..." Lisez donc ses notes personnelles. Il était manifestement assez délirant.
@@jean-francois.chemila Highly intelligent people are often referred to as ''crazy'', in that way Horowitz was also ''crazy'' himself. Scriabin was just one in a few million you find, ofcourse he will be looked at as ''crazy''. Calling him autistic just references to the one analyzing being underdeveloped and having lack of knowledge. Scriabin was a special, rare and unique human being living in a beautfiul time in the Eastern of musicians, philosophers, visual artists and writers. Scriabin himself respected certain writers not for no reasons. His understanding of life was really in line with these others like Freud, Dostoevsky which were also very unique and special people. At the end I think Scriabin the most special and intelligent composer/artist known. Thats why not too many people understand nor feel his music. It's something so natural, irrational and spontaneous but yet so structured and well thought about. Something only people with certain depth of thinking can do.
@@unreleasedmusicsellingtrad4782 Le plus intelligent, je ne suis pas certain, Mozart avait une intelligence stupéfiante. Mais Scriabine était sans doute le plus visionnaire et le plus novateur. Il est celui dont le style a le plus évolué durant sa vie. Scriabine était à la fois romantique, mystique, philosophe, et astrophysicien. Scriabine avait compris que la terre sera détruite par le soleil qui va devenir une géante rouge : c'est très clairement dit dans "vers la flamme" ; il avait aussi deviné que l'univers sera détruit et renaitra de ses cendres de façon cyclique, cela se voit clairement dans la 5° sonate; celle-ci contient trois big bang successifs, avec chaque fois renaissance d'un univers entre chaque big bang. Sur le plan harmonique, il a été le premier à raisonner en couleurs d'accords.
@@jean-francois.chemila Mozart didn’t make the music nowhere near what Scriabin made and achieved. Also had to do with its time at the moment. Mozart was quite far ahead and I respect him a lot and was a genius as well in a different way. He started with something that wasn’t him himself and his vision and we didn’t get to see that part too much of Mozart. Scriabin made something completely on its own uncategorizable. Scriabin no doubt had a higher intelligence than Mozart. Even though the difference wasn’t enormous but there was still a bit difference, otherwise you can’t make music like Scriabin did. Mozart was well appreciated in its time, especially at younger age. Scriabin wasnt appreciated at all nearly. People did not understand Scriabin, at the time certainly not. Got boycotted by most composers as well.
@@JoshaJohnson-jj9db I agree with you in part. Very few composers have such an important evolution in their style and composition technique, comparable to Scriabine’s evolution. One can, perhaps, compare it to Debussy. Indeed, there is little connection between an arabesque and the joyful isle, the most Scriabinian of his works. They both reason in chords. But the message is completely different. Scriabine was very successful at the end of his life, the first of the poem of ecstasy was a failure but soon after, Scriabine became very famous and no longer had to worry about money. He was perhaps better understood by painters than musicians, but Koussevitzky supported him much, and several others musicians. He had great success in Geneva, especially.
Thanks! Why’s that? I’m autistic and I have a podcast called “unearthing autism”. Being obsessed about Scriabin and autism, I couldn’t help but make a video explaining this. I’m hardly the first person to say that Scriabin was autistic.
La meilleure preuve que Scriabine était autiste est que j'ai achevé tout récemment une sonate dans son style, et que je suis également assez autiste, et même complètement fou ! ruclips.net/video/huucFOsFy4s/видео.html
Love what you are doing to spread the genius of Scriabin!!! I love his music too and I also can relate to the autism spectrum; my son has been diagnosed to be on the spectrum and he is still non verbal, but loves music almost as much as I do...perhaps I am on the spectrum as well, just undiagnosed. But regardless of this, I truly believe in the power of music to heal and move the soul and I appreciate your approach to this topic in dealing with Scriabin...btw, where did you get that awesome shirt???
Good video but very reachy, like Scriabins son being great at piano at a young age has nothing to do with autism its pretty common for children of composers or masters in any field
It’s common for 11 years olds to write complex atonal music? I don’t think that’s common even with musical parents, but thanks for your input.
@@jaybeardmusic8074 definitely more common, I mean who knows how many hours of practice he got in by 11 his dad was scriabin after all. My point is one of the best composers oat's son being good at music isnt really an indicator of autism, also he wrote atonally cuz thats what his dad did
@@Fildoggy I agree with you on that point, but also autism can be very herietitary and can run in families very often, so Scriabin’s son might have been autistic. Maybe.
Neurodivergence is something that we can’t really do more than speculate in without being able to do an in-depth assessment, especially in someone that lived as long ago as Scriabin. I think this is an interesting video, but it definitely doesn’t make much of an argument. He’s certainly a genius and definitely odd - a lot of the biographical work in him does point to certain sensory-seeking behaviours and a *lot* of restrictive/repetitive interests which are certainly part of the DSM-V and ICD-11 criteria for Autism Spectrum Condition - but ultimately there is evidence to suggest otherwise as well. For instance, his high level of empathy which was expressed from a young age implies that his ability to suscept the emotions/intentions of others was not impaired. From the little we know of him as a child, he was interested in playing with other children and despite being bullied for his slight stature and feminine habits, he was capable of making and sustaining friendships.
Regardless, whatever neurodivergence he may or may not have had, he had a wonderful mind that produced some unbelievable music for us all.
4:57 I wouldn't consider that atonal
What key is it in then
@@joeyhardin5903 That specific prelude I would consider to be in C major
yeah it's in C major
High intellectual capabilities and ADHD share a lot of characteristics with autism. And I think it is plausible that Scriabin had high intellectual capabilities. Also, for the example of the op 2 no 1, I don’t think being 15 when he composed it is too young, most composers had composed serious works at that age, and most people have already developed musical maturity at an age around 14-17. But this is just picking on the details and you have convinced me with this video. Is there any paper or something that supports this theory
Yea, he very well could have had adhd instead or in addition! The superstitious/grandeur trait can even be linked to schizotypal personality disorder. Hard to say exactly, but he seems to be some version of neurodivergent!
I don’t know of anything official written on the subject. I heard people suggesting the idea online and looked into it myself.
We will never know exactly what he was, but he was clearly neurodivergent in a way. Nevertheless, we can agree that he wrote great music
These facts all seem _quite convincing_ at first glance. But they all can be *unmasked* with a detailed examination of
1) *Development.*
If a person is characterized by early development, it is not necessarily autistic. It is possible that his parents and teachers worked hard with him. Or maybe he is a genius himself.
There are a lot of examples. The first one that comes to my mind is Sergei Prokofiev, who enter the conservatory when he was 13 years old!
2) *Socialization.*
Well, both in our days and those times there were poorly socialized people. Again, this is not a sign that a person is autistic. Perhaps the environment is. Or maybe he's shy by nature and needs to be approached. Or maybe he behaves very confidently with some people.
3) *Synesthesia.*
I cannot say anything about this, since I do not possess such a -disease- gift. I know a girl who has synesthesia. And she, of course, clearly has an autistic spectrum. But that could just be a coincidence.
4) *Obsessions.*
Well, there's nothing to talk about. Many, many, many people can be obsessed with their favorite thing or cause. It's a matter of interest.
5) *Delusions of Grandeur.*
I can't say anything about that either. I can only correct: Scriabin was born on January 6. And Christmas is January 7. And where, in fact, is the information that he was a megalomaniac and that he called himself a god?
6) *Family.*
This point also seems to have been sucked from the finger. You even said yourself that his parents were not autistic. As for his son... that's far from a fact either. Where is your evidence that he was autistic? It's just that his dad probably taught him harmony from a young age. And they had his father's music in the house all the time. So he got a lot of it.
*As a result,*
I often hear people try to attribute autism to great composers, like Mozart, Beethoven, Scriabin, Chopin. But, in fact, that's just jealousy. For me, only envy encourages people to say such things.
P.S. But anyway, Horowitz once said: _"He was crazy, you know?"_
What he meant by that is anyone's guess.
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Jealousy but also not understandable for people. Because of their high intelligence and complex unique and own music. IQ plays the biggest part in this spectrum. Also about the synesthesia part, this usually comes with kids at a young age by their abstractly thinking mind which also relates to having a high intelligence. And with high I mean 165+.
This has nothing to do with jealousy. Autism should be diagonised on a scientific basis.
This is quite good a video, although may I add, it's not the best thing to upload on Scriabin's birthday.
Speaking of which, happy birthday Scwiabin zaddy!
Thanks! Love that final comment! Haha
What’s wrong with posting this on his birthday? I suppose some people think autism is a bad thing, but I challenge that notion and I think Scriabin wouldn’t have been the person he was without being autistic.
@@jaybeardmusic8074 ah! I agree with that lol
I really don’t understand why people are hating you for doing this. You are simply speculating on Scriabin’s life, which is great. I mean, that’s what historians do on a regular basis. They look at past people and events through a modern lense and you are effectively doing that by showing signs of Scriabin’s possible autism. We will never know if he really was autistic, but this does certainly provide Music history with an interesting perspective and shows you how a lot of neurodivergents are out of the box thinkers. Them hating you for thinking that Scriabin might have been autistic is like when an autistic person makes a video of him or her stimming and the comments are like “No YoUrE NoT AuTistic!” I am proud of you for making this interesting video as I am a classical pianist that is autistic.
Thanks so much for the encouragement! I think a lot of people don’t know about the traits of autism to begin with so they don’t take these signs as very significant. However, autistic people who knows the traits all too well hear “feminine guy that’s musically gifted and socially withdrawn” and it sounds familiar haha.
I find a lot of autistic pianists love Scriabin! (Myself included)
@@jaybeardmusic8074 I think when an allistic hears the word autistic, they either think of a scientist that’s the most reclusive person imaginable, or they think of a child that puts holes in walls. As an autistic, when I hear the words “Very shy musician with odd interests.” That just screams autistic person to me. Also, Scriabin was one of Glenn Gould’s favorite composers, and a lot of people that knew Glenn Gould think that Gould was autistic. Usually, when there is a very common special interest in autistics, it’s usually because the interest is the creation of an autistic person. You know why a lot of us like Pokémon? It’s because the creator of Pokémon is autistic. Since this seems to be the case, I wonder if the steam engine AKA train was invented by an autistic person. In order to have invented the train, you would need a great understanding of complex machinery.
He didnt have autism, he was just extremely gifted. Iq over 180-190. Same goes for Mozart. Has nothing to do with autism. Synesthesia had to do with his high physica, which comes with a high intelligence.
Témoignage d'Horowitz qui a vu Scriabine bourré de tics : "he was crazy, you know..." Lisez donc ses notes personnelles. Il était manifestement assez délirant.
@@jean-francois.chemila Highly intelligent people are often referred to as ''crazy'', in that way Horowitz was also ''crazy'' himself. Scriabin was just one in a few million you find, ofcourse he will be looked at as ''crazy''. Calling him autistic just references to the one analyzing being underdeveloped and having lack of knowledge. Scriabin was a special, rare and unique human being living in a beautfiul time in the Eastern of musicians, philosophers, visual artists and writers. Scriabin himself respected certain writers not for no reasons. His understanding of life was really in line with these others like Freud, Dostoevsky which were also very unique and special people. At the end I think Scriabin the most special and intelligent composer/artist known. Thats why not too many people understand nor feel his music. It's something so natural, irrational and spontaneous but yet so structured and well thought about. Something only people with certain depth of thinking can do.
@@unreleasedmusicsellingtrad4782 Le plus intelligent, je ne suis pas certain, Mozart avait une intelligence stupéfiante. Mais Scriabine était sans doute le plus visionnaire et le plus novateur. Il est celui dont le style a le plus évolué durant sa vie. Scriabine était à la fois romantique, mystique, philosophe, et astrophysicien. Scriabine avait compris que la terre sera détruite par le soleil qui va devenir une géante rouge : c'est très clairement dit dans "vers la flamme" ; il avait aussi deviné que l'univers sera détruit et renaitra de ses cendres de façon cyclique, cela se voit clairement dans la 5° sonate; celle-ci contient trois big bang successifs, avec chaque fois renaissance d'un univers entre chaque big bang. Sur le plan harmonique, il a été le premier à raisonner en couleurs d'accords.
@@jean-francois.chemila Mozart didn’t make the music nowhere near what Scriabin made and achieved. Also had to do with its time at the moment. Mozart was quite far ahead and I respect him a lot and was a genius as well in a different way. He started with something that wasn’t him himself and his vision and we didn’t get to see that part too much of Mozart. Scriabin made something completely on its own uncategorizable. Scriabin no doubt had a higher intelligence than Mozart. Even though the difference wasn’t enormous but there was still a bit difference, otherwise you can’t make music like Scriabin did. Mozart was well appreciated in its time, especially at younger age. Scriabin wasnt appreciated at all nearly. People did not understand Scriabin, at the time certainly not. Got boycotted by most composers as well.
@@JoshaJohnson-jj9db I agree with you in part. Very few composers have such an important evolution in their style and composition technique, comparable to Scriabine’s evolution. One can, perhaps, compare it to Debussy. Indeed, there is little connection between an arabesque and the joyful isle, the most Scriabinian of his works. They both reason in chords. But the message is completely different. Scriabine was very successful at the end of his life, the first of the poem of ecstasy was a failure but soon after, Scriabine became very famous and no longer had to worry about money. He was perhaps better understood by painters than musicians, but Koussevitzky supported him much, and several others musicians. He had great success in Geneva, especially.
I love your videos but this one feels in poor taste :/
Thanks! Why’s that? I’m autistic and I have a podcast called “unearthing autism”. Being obsessed about Scriabin and autism, I couldn’t help but make a video explaining this.
I’m hardly the first person to say that Scriabin was autistic.
La meilleure preuve que Scriabine était autiste est que j'ai achevé tout récemment une sonate dans son style, et que je suis également assez autiste, et même complètement fou ! ruclips.net/video/huucFOsFy4s/видео.html