Abraham Piper: "Fundamentalism is Intolerable" | Doug Wilson
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2021
- In this episode of Doug Reacts, Pastor Doug Wilson responds to a video from Abraham Piper in which he says that he doesn't mind if his cosmology doesn't make sense, he just wants to be able to tolerate it. Fundamentalism, however, is intolerable.
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This Piper rant is almost incoherent but that's what prideful secular humanism is.
"I'll accept any other explanation for life even if it's nonsense as long as it doesn't personally offend me, restrict me or hold me accountable in any way".
Incoherence is the native dialectic of the modern day militant atheist. They espouse so many "big" words and words that most outside having a PhD in english have never heard. They try to squeeze all of these into a quick video and it comes across as gibberish because thats what it is. He uses 3 minutes to say 10 seconds worth of material. He hates his Creator. He knows Him intimately, but loves his sin far more. We all were there. He should be ashamed to bring this much embarrassment and shame to his family. He always talks about morals and right and wrong, but its always other people and never his own sin. Dishonoring parents is a capital crime, but to him its just liberal expression.
@@joshhigdon4951 a capital crime.. Josh are you suggesting those who dishonor their parents should be put to death??
@@aallen5256 he's already dead (in his trespasses) unless God gives him new life (Jesus saves him), he got no chance.
@@aallen5256 You're saying you know better than God and his 5th Commandment. See the west's suicidal degeneration for ignoring it as you suicidally do, reaping what you sow. That's why Paul said Rom 9:20 ASV Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why didst thou make me thus?
@@russedav5 umm I was just feeling that being put to death for disobeying your parents is a little extreme, not many would make it to the natural end of their lives methinks!
"Maybe we should smoke some pot and try it again" 🤭🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I lost it when he said that :D
@@toucheyang89 me to! 100% on point🤣
Best quote ever. lol
We are seeing first-hand, as the wheels come off, where a "good enough" cosmology leads us ...
Turns out it wasn't good enough...
Yeah, we are, aren't we. Crime is generally down, more people than ever have rights, less drug use, more people able to read, infant mortality is down as is maternal mortality, and we broke 8 billion people not too long ago.
That's exactly where it's gotten us. But don't worry! If you don't like any of that stuff, I'm sure God will start smiting the -bad people- people you disagree with. Just like they said he would last year. And the year before that. And the year before that. Wait, I'm seeing a pattern here.
"it just needs to be bearable and it needs to work". - Enter every failed political and philosophical system that were neither bearable nor worked.
Maybe we should smoke some pot and try that again 😂
I laughed at that. Ironically even a bottle of wine wouldn't help.
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When there is no God above the state, the state becomes god-the highest authority in the lives of those governed.
They act like that with the NHS too.
This series is somehow meaningful to me, as it reminds me of that one moment in a certain conference where John Piper attempts to rebuke Wilson publicly concerning his approach against opponents of the faith. Mr. Piper scolded him for using sarcasm and blunt speech, claiming it was unnecessary and dangerous. But now, apparently, his son ends up an apostate God-hater. And here is Doug making an effort to respond to his atheist son's videos, using his wit which Piper opposed.
Nice work...yes Doug is very helpful in so many ways. I love his sarcasm.
Apparently John Piper never read much about Elijah and his quick tongue
@Masterdave Edwards I couldn’t put a finger on why I like Doug so much before. But I think you nailed it. Sarcasm!! It’s my family’s love language 😂
@@stankwilliamsjr.8949 Same...dark humour and sarcasm is a beautiful thing! I was reading through Job...and wow does he have some dark sarcasm for his feckless friend. Hope you have some good friends that get you...it sure helps in these dark days! " The night is almost over, the day is almost here so let us put aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armour of light. Press on soldier of light! Shalom
You've just exemplified the difference between good parenting and cukhold parenting.
Great response, as always! Appreciate this new series.
right!!
This was a dismally poor response with multiple strawmen, intellectual dishonesty and some good ole personal attacks thrown in. 3/10 I've seen worse. But not all too often.
In other words, it needs to not prick, or crush your conscience....it needs to be acceptable to your flesh. Am I tracking on this right?
Almost, it's actually the conscience response to these things that make us uncomfortable that pricks and crushes. Our awareness picks up on it.
The Christian definition of conscience, not the "awareness" of the new age postmodernism based on Eastern buffets of philosophies is that,
God wrote the book of Law in every man's heart so we should follow it. Original Sin is that we all tend to ignore our conscience.
Don't confuse consciences with awareness, which detects when the conscience is alerting you that something's wrong.
Eastern Philosophies are designed to make you think you can convince yourself to learn to ignore your conscience through "enlightment" until you become "nothing" as part of the universal "consciousness", but then why does the Dalai Lama weeps for the liberation of Tibet? Is rubbish. For more details, check Melissa Dougherty's channel.
Like all atheists, Piper (1) doesn't believe in God, and is (2) really, really mad at Him. For what's it worth, this doesn't work for me.
I liken atheists to people who stub their toes on a rock and then get mad at the rock. They deny God is alive, deny He has agency of any kind, then contradict themselves by emotionally reacting to something that has no agency or reality in their minds. If He ain't real, why so mad?
He is obviously angry at his parents. They didn't care for him when he broke a bone. Said it was a sprain when it wasn't. That doesn't work for him.
He doesn't trust his parents. If you listen to him, he tells you the reasons he is hurt and angry.
It isn't God He hates-- he mistrusts his imperfect parents who didn't care enough for him when he experienced harm. Neither did his siblings. He needed medical attention and didn't get it soon enough for him.
Perhaps, no one said they were sorry for this. Or, even if they did, he has no confidence in their judgement. It makes no sense to him. He can only conclude that no one in his family cared enough to get him checked out by a doctor. That might frighten you off your parents very quickly.
I have little sympathy for Mr. Piper. Life is difficult for everyone in this fallen world. He, like so many in the spoiled West, has been exposed to The Truth and benefitted from It and willingly embraces a lie in order to not feel the need to be accountable to anyone, ever. Prayerfully God grants him repentance and reconciliation.
Read The Bible, so much of it is warning to this kind of attitude.
@@einarabelc5 Is that the part that tells me I should stone my neighbor's kid for misbehaving? Or the part about not having sex because Jesus is coming back soon? It's kind of a big book. Maybe you could be a bit more specific.
People are spoiled in the East, too. Quit attacking the West only. It's total ignorance. Go and live in the East and tell me there are no spoiled children or adults in the East.
@@SlimThrull You could try the NT. It doesn't say to abstain from marital relations because Jesus is coming back soon. You could start with a course in reading comprehension.
@@tatie7604 lol. Read Paul.
Since we live in this post-modern hellscape, we are all our own standard. May God have mercy on our souls
This can’t be more wrong 🤨
False
I think maybe I get what you are trying to say. I just don't think it came across how you wanted it to. God is the standard on which we are compared. that's the standard, that will always be the standard and which we are morally and ethically compared.
You can not not be your own standard.
what did you do that god threw you into this hellscape?
These are great, keep em coming!
You know I like that you gave him the last word. That for some reason struck me.
Also I want to add that something, bearable and is working 1) is not a good motto in general and 2) just because that's it's state now, doesn't mean it will remain that way. Elevators are bearable and working until they're not, at which point can be fatal.
Thank you for great responses to AP. Keep it up.
Abe is a needy soul. One too many hits.
He "Totally Fails" in his understanding (If Any) of Ancient Antiquities, (Cultures, Writers, Philosophies, Archeology etc)
He strives to be heard & seen. He's lonely inside along with resentfulness, and anger for things he knows not so he has convinced himself with help from the snake (though he doesn't realize it) to formulate ideas which seem right to his very limited understanding of that which he denounces.
Abe is his own worst enemy unfortunately.
Hopefully The prayer's of his family and other lovingly concerned Christians will pull him out of his self induced humanistic delusion. We can only hope and pray 🙏
How did this Piper guy become so bitter and agitated on almost everything?
I’m praying for that God would help him to open up to the truth and be saved.
Making excuses for his unbelief. He hates his dad here because he put others before his son, or something, but probably not true. Then he hates his heavenly father
He was never with God in the first place.
The wicked go astray fro their mothers womb?
from my understanding the elders had his father ex comunicate him from thier church for not sharing all the beliefs they did...which is a nice way of a church saying "your so wicked we dont want you to come back".....(which in abrahams defence thats a pretty fucked up thing for a church to do simply for being an unbeliever to any extent).
and Abraham got so resentful about it he adopted a psudo nihilistic mindset and became a hard-pressed anti -theist.
if i recal in one of his videos he has little reasoning behind making them other than to piss off christians.
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That's the typical calvinist answer. Imagine that in your local church there are 90% of people who were never christians in the first place because they dropped the idea of predeterminism or never adopted it! From whom are you learning?
Hitting my neighbor in the head with a hammer doesn't make sense but it works when he irritates me.
When did Abraham Piper start getting discipled by John Dewey?
Looks like man who could not survive outside a society that tolerates his stupidity, ironically gives me hope that I'm not to far gone.
Woah, I've gone down some dark and twisted rabbit holes of thought before. Thankfully the Lord's kept me from going that far down.
Hard hitting journalism doug
I owe John Piper a great debt for his helping my faith and theology to grow over the years, so I pray for his lost and wayward kids. It's sad to see how much Abraham hates God. I notice that after all the critiques on Abraham's haggard appearance in the last video, it looks like he dyed his hair and went tanning before making this one.😁
It is my observation that anyone who fights so hard against God is an extremely angry individual. Abraham comes across as angry when he mocks Christianity, so I can only pray for him and hope that he is given grace. His anger is blinding him to the truth of who God really is. My brother was this way, but I think he is coming around to seeing who God is. It’s a slow progress but I am hopeful.
Does anyone think he looks a little bit feminine?
We can sum up Satan's problem in 4 little words: it's all about him.
He strikes me as a child who thinks he didn't get the attention from his father that he felt then and now he needed and deserved. So he's striking at the God who his father desires above all things on earth. Abraham just never accepted that. And maybe one day he will and maybe he won't and though it breaks his earthly father's heart, which gives satisfaction to Abraham since he has his father's attention, it doesn't change anything else.
100%
Exactly!!!!
Well Paul did say stay single if u want to serve God. Wives and kids tend to require a lot of attention/maintenance... and if they don't get it...!
Are you a sniper of some sort?
Piper wants to throw down.
Doug: I'm your Huckleberry.
"Maybe we should smoke some pot and try that again." 😂
Piper's argument can be reduced to, "The Dude abides" -The Big Lebowski
The rug really tied the room together
I would love to see a Douglas Wilson Vs. Abraham Piper debate.
No, it would be absolutely awful. It'd just be a frustrating mockfest and the good arguments Doug would bring up would be completely lost on everyone.
Thank you
Would love to see Doug respond to Morgue Official’s stuff.
So funny, I got a Ron Reagan Freedom from religion foundation ad before this video. Strange how YT works. Guess because Piper is tagged?
Anyway, someone should tell Piper that Fundamentalism isn't 'a thing' anymore. Like it is...but barely. He probably should stick with this current century.
When does John Piper respond to his son? Is there a time when the father speaks out? Genuine question here
Something like that was done 22 years ago.
I would guess John Piper speaks out directly to his son very consistently, although I don’t know that for sure.
Do you think it would be wise for him to respond publicly and open up some sort of social media back and forth for everyone to see with his own son?
It is difficult to navigate this internet age because it is so unlike any other time in history. I don’t think we can hold it against Pastor John for not making public statements about his son online. That seems like a matter of prudence, and in those cases, he is free to do whatever seems wisest to him within the confines of scripture’s authority.
@@daltonadger6489 that makes a lot of sense. I really appreciate your reply
We have to get a debate with these 2!
Wilson/Piper grudge match!
Notice that we can’t truly tolerate someone unless we disagree with him or her. This is critical. We don’t “tolerate” people who share our views. They’re on our side. There’s nothing with which we need to put up. Tolerance is reserved for those we think are wrong, yet we still choose to treat decently and with respect.
- Gregory Koukl
I love these videos
It must really suck to have a son that openly mocks and rejects the Lord like Abraham Piper does. I still pray for him and his dad regardless.
It his way of getting attention and saying his dad wasn't too great, in his opinion.
I'm not sure how RUclips allowed this absolutely MURDER to take place. I appreciate your commentary Doug.
I wonder how John Piper feels about this series? As a father of wayward children, I know I would appreciate a more personal and less public correction process. Will this series do more damage (to the Pipers) than good (for the Pipers and all who listen)? Just wondering out loud...
This has nothing to do with "the Pipers". Abraham is a not a child. He is a fully grown, 40 year old man who has put himself in front of the public as an enemy of Christ, His gospel, and His church. He therefore needs to be refuted and corrected publicly. Enemies of the cross are not off limits because they happen to be the children of famous pastors.
@@jim6690 I agree with all you said, but I only raise the issue to encourage Pastor Wilson to at least reach out to the father (John Piper) and talk about this, as to why he is doing this (for all the reasons you state, and more), just to show a little family compassion. Think if your son was apostate, and publicly vocal, and your own brother went on line with biblical and theologically correct corrections - how would you feel? I know we Calvanists don't want to be driven by our feelings, but as brothers in Christ, we should be compassionate, as Christ was, toward our brothers.
It's like folks who say: 'there's no absolute truth' but that statement is an absolute truth statement so.. it's a contradiction, cannot be true, and therefore an absolute truth exists.
That's really what you get when you reject the biblical God. You try to use your imperfect mind, which is made into the image of God, to justify an absolute truth without God(who is the absolute truth and the only truth we measure everything by). It's like me walking on a bridge while at the same time not believing the bridge is there.
May God lead him to repentance. The illogical side, the irrational side, all of it is clearly from the mind of man, not from the mind of God. let us pray for him, salvation found in Jesus! :)
What is rational about the belief in God?
@@chongology1602 FIrst off I must tell you what I mean by the word 'God' here. Many folks, like Richard Dawkins, have thought that WE christians believe in a deity on the inside of the universe such as afrodite, zeus, poseidon etc. And we don't. When we're talking about the God, only God, of all creation we're talking about the only Creator, Sustainer, eternal, good, just, truth, reason Himself who never changes and who has always been, who is and always shall be.
So, to your question: 'what is rational about the belief in God?' Here's a few thoughts to think about:
1: even if you don't believe the Biblical narrative and truth about our universe, you can still understand that because our universe and all space, time and matter has had a beginning, then that beginning cannot be part of the natural realm. So we got two answers here: either nothing created everything out of nothing or someone created everything out of nothing. Now, the former answer is by nature impossible. Nothing is what stones dream about. From nothing nothing comes. But the latter, which is this supernatural Creator, is an absolutely good, and only possible, answer for it.
This Creator would be eternal and He could create time. He'd be spirit and therefore create all things seen and not seen in the natural realm, that is material things also. This being has to be absolutely powerful to create everything. This being has to also be rational and logical to create such an order that we have in our universe. And has to be a choice making being to choose to create.
2: Absolute morality. If there is no God then absolute morality does not exist. You can always come up with some sort of logical principles but all of them fail. Why? Because we'd be collectively trying to come up with an 'absolute' morality that's merely based on our knowledge, experience and understanding of the environment and people around us. One example being that if the logical principle for an absolute morality would be that 'whatever the society decides', then it logically follows that even in Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Russia and Mao's China they were all right because they as a society chose what was right in their own eyes. However, if Creator exists and He is good, and He does and He can be known, then we can be assured that He also has a will for us of how to live here. But He has to define Himself for us, we cannot define Him as we would see Him with our own understanding. Biblical truth is that God is good, and He is the objective standard of goodness. whatever is transgression of God's law that is wicked, sinful, bad.
3: God is the reason why we can reason. If naturalism, atheism and macro evolution are true, then we're just all a product of unguided natural processes. Who, in those mutations of species(allegedly), decides where logic and rationel are based on? Your thoughts? Collective thinking? Majority of society? Minority of society? My point with this last part is to say because God never changes and He is reason, He is wisdom, He is understanding, He is truth, We don't come up with reason, we find how reason works. Reason has always existed before humans did. For example: did the law of non-contradiction exist before humans did? here's an example: Those who believe in macro evolution and naturalism do believe that universe actually was here before human beings. So is it rational, logical to imply or to claim that there was and wasn't universe at the same time? No. it does not make any sense. A and non-A cannot be true at the same time. So my argument for this part here is to say that because we've been made into the image of God and He is reason, truth and logic who never changes, then we can therefore rely on Him to understand why we can reason, why we can understand the universe, but if atheism or agnosticism is true then we can never really know for 100% certainty that what we know is true since there is no unchanging basis for our reason, rather just changing unguided natural processes.
4: Historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Jesus said, destroy this temple and I will raise it up in three days. He was talking about His own body. That statement is either true or false. Jesus claimed to be God in the flesh who came to save us from our sins.We have violated God's perfect moral law, I have also, so we should be punished for our sins by this just God in eternal punishment departed from Him. But He was rich in mercy and goodness that He sent His only begotten Son into the world, to live a perfect life under God's law, suffer and die in our place for our sins on the Cross of Calvary, and those who believe in Him will be forgiven, given grace and not be condemned. Then He was buried and He was resurrected, truly bodily resurrected. Jesus had 12 apostles, 1 of which betrayed Him. Those apostles witnessed Jesus as a true man who healed people, told the most wise things ever said by any human being, and proved His Words and claims with miracles, healings, forgiving sins and resurrecting Himself from the dead. Now, you may read Wallace's book about 'Cold case christianity', for some good evidence for biblical truth from the four Gospels(Matthew, Mark, Luke and John), but if you really wanna be serious and go straight to the evidence then I'd suggest reading Gospel of John entirely with an open mind and heart. If you truly wanna seek the truth the truth will show Himself to you.
I hope this was helpful and answered your question 'what is rational about the belief in God?' May God bless your day. Seek Jesus while He may be found
Please make a response to his camera skills!
The problem with utilitarianism is it doesn’t work….. look how fractured and broken the world is 💔
Too funny that the Freedom from Religion has a commercial on your video! or maybe cool!
Good stuff
The mental gymnastics needed to reach this dudes level is crazy, yet few of us are surprised anymore. Have we tolerated to a point of no return? Just thought experiment.
That’s what reprobation is.
Thank you, Doug! Thank God, you make sense.
Do you think this is all about making money for him? He has made quite a bit. He isn't struggling at all.
He strikes me as a curious, precocious fifteen year- old with a thesaurus as his best friend.
No one said that we understand everything about God-- so why doesn't that work for him?
"Whatever works" could be anything. Anything good or evil.
He doesn't say whether or not evil deeds work for him, does he?
Has Abe been disciplined for bringing reproach upon the church? Or apostasy?
I wonder if old Dugy and John Piper have talked about this lol
Well of course, once there are no more absolutes, anything goes
“Uh oh… that’s heavy. Maybe we should smoke some pot and try it again.”
- Doug, probably quoting the Big Lebowski.
Romans 1:24-25
He was neglected and abused by his family when he needed medical help for a broken bone. As a child, he was made to cling to a broomstick and be swung around until he fell off the broomstick( That is odd. He could have hit his head and been killed.) He broke a bone and was told it was a sprain. It wasn't. It was a break.
This doesn't work for him. He doesn't want his parents or siblings around his children. This does make sense.
However, God is not who hurt him or made him do a weird thing. But there is no way he can allow his relatives to have contact with his children. He finds it dangerous. Based on his experience, it is. If he professes to believe in God, he would have to let his parents back into his life. He doesn't trust what weird thing they might do which could cause physical harm or psychological harm. It's that simple.
A backward and bankrupt shell of a man mocks the things that he ought to love.
just about sums up ol' Dougie, good observation!
This is the outcome of raising children under reformed theology. Truly heart breaking!
In one sentence can you describe the one difference about Modern Theology other than: pre-destination/
hard to tell. But yours is not an outlandish theory. It would apply at least sometimes
Poor John
All Abraham needs to do to undermine his point, is keep talking.
Doesn't this mean that if you don't understand a fundamentalist position then you should love it?
I was swallowed by the cloud of unknowing. The most translated and variously packaged doctrine other than the bible. At the time I was drifting into mysticism and such but the author claimed he served Christ and lived both as a devout monk with vows of silence and other such disciplines for half his life, and the remainder in a village with all the trappings and fleshly pleasures of the world. His conclusion was that confidence in knowing himself and observation that God somehow was real and had various do and do nots that we endlessly disagree amongst each other over, making them along with said God . Unknowable. He imagined centering his consciousness and emptying the vessel of his form of thoughts and in his mind, sin, then applying his will with wisdom he had found ..to the image of a sword and the experience would result from wielding this sword to transcend this reality by forcing it nothing stabbing into the cloud of unknowing conceding you know nothing of God or his Son trusting that this Devine will will take its course through the steady practitioner's focus. It's new age babylonian sorcery, but with a western flavour ,the vague alluding to Christ and the biblical teachings lightly dusted between the words. This is clearly another device used by Satan, and watch as it's resurgence bedazzles the church, speakers using these diamanic doctrines as inside baseball, imparting the kundalini zeitgeist spirit through hypnotic induction with demonic deception and your usual circus of supernatural events and events. This spirit has it's manifestations including the demeanor of being removed from the moment seperate yet speaking as to have authority, diplomacy and tolerance appearing to be Zen and in subjection even in emotional situations. , and you can never be justified or sufficiently endowed by God alone and need to attain more wisdom and power stabbing into the cloud of unknowing, incidentally the knowing part will be obvious when death takes place and boxes go under stone and dirt and yet your eyes are blinking and focusing you can still feel all sense and your intellect processes as visual only it's not able to convey the serious and grave misgivings that shall require eternity to incinerate the image of God can't recover from willing rebellion and holiness can't be mandated .
Piper is obsessed with nonsense.
I saw that Pastor Piper had an episode on Desiring God the other day that talked about role playing for married couples. I found it ridiculous, but knowing his son turned out so irrational, it makes sense. How hard is it for a pastor to say, that is sinful and stop. Why do people want the world to love them so much that they soften what should be a sharp blow. Maybe I'm just being pragmatic. Lol.
Did you read the article?
It's interesting to me that this is probably due, in part, to his up bringing in the church and having a father in the position he did. Is this how he saw his father? A pious voice in the wilderness? I read Piper fairly regularly and feel he's pretty on it for the most part. He is but a man like the rest of us, but I believe God has and is using him. We all make I own choices I suppose. Sad for Abraham and hid dad.
The Bible talks about this during the Books of Kings, each generation is responsible for their own choices.
Piper’s solipsism is intolerable.
At what point does responding to this guy because casting pearls before swine?
I don’t think A Piper is the audience for these videos, though.
It's before those that might follow A Piper. Strike a fool and the simple are made wise.
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I uJst want something that functions...... to do what?
Aren’t we supposed to ignore the foolish?? Proverbs 26:4
Read the very next verse
God is giving Piper the freedom to choose Hell and damnation. Piper finds his worldview to be “functionally convenient and useful,” but it will result in his destruction.
i knew it....his whole danm outlook on life is "the only standard that exist is the kind for my convenience."
what this does is this creates a subtlety that leaves gabs for him to take no personal responsibility or accountabilitiy...simply because "it works and its tolerable". this
this "live by what feels good" mantra is why anarchial societies cannot exist and why things like violence and crime destory other forms of society because in the eyes of these poeple there does not need to be a common standard to live by....its no wonder he seems so distrusting of others,because poeple like that assume others are the same at heart and they fear them.
Uhm.... I think Mr. Piper had a rough go of it in his life. I also think he was never actually a fundamentalist.
I am ready to die for what I believe in and every so often one of my "potential employers" reminds me that they will, indeed, help me to do so. What possibly could Mr. Piper be facing that is more difficult than starving to death? If he were a fundamentalist, then I think he would also be willing to die for the truth.
Hello, I got a notification for a comment that seems to have been removed. I'll respond here under the assumption that it was censored automatically and without human review.
I'm specifically referring to employers that would force the injection on me as part of employment terms.
Fortunately, many employers have the good sense to NOT do that and so, in essence, the wicked or ignorant employers are self-segregating themselves.
Not sure why you bother. Also, since you monetize, do you have any idea what ads support your videos? Didn't think so!😨
I don't understand what it means to "leave everything I can think and love the thing I cannot think". Is this some kind of existential treason? Perhaps some bizarre form of nihilism? I can hardly even wrap my head around it. It's pure nonsense.
The only viable philosophy incorporates and acknowledges the unknowable. Start with and celebrate the impossibility of the existence of ourselves and our universe. This is the beginning of wisdom. The triune God. The resurrection. The substitutionary atonement. Embrace the foolishness of the gospel with childlike wonder.
but the trinity makes no sense to me, but i am convinced of its logical and scriptural necesity, so i tolerate it.
as for appealing to experience, should TRUE experience be ruled out?
Mr Wilson's arguments are sometimes weak, his thinking legalistic
Doug why don't you invite him over for dinner and talk about it.
Piper’s edits every half sentence are intolerable.
He's lived a sheltered life and doesn't admit it. Was he molested or something heinous happened to him? If so, he should tell it. He's told a few things that happened to him which might not be uncommon occurences in any family.
His broken bone should have been looked at-- true. It wasn't a sprain.
He feels he was neglected ...
His anger is at Jesus Christ. Hope he gets saved because the great deception is coming.
I don’t think all fundamentalist can tolerate fundamentalism. The cognitive dissonance clearly bothers many of them and causes some of them to leave. I can’t prove it, but I think all fundamentalists, at some point, find the lack of congruence with fundamentalist religious beliefs and reality as we experience it to be very psychologically challenging.
and I say... wow Abe.
Wilson needs to randomly move the camera in and out more. Then i would be more interested and think his points are valid.
He's no Abraham KUYPER, that's for sure.
Saddest part about all of this is…. Calvinist doctrine believes Abraham was predestined to say these things… 🤦♂️ No, Abraham is fully responsible for his actions, God did not decree his tailspin, Abraham willingly has become a fool. Read Romans 1
He's a modern day Ivan Karamazov, except without a terrible father like Fyodor.
Hello,
My name is Abraham Piper, and I’m angry at my dad.
This is a word salad of meaninglessness.
The sad thing is this guy has so many followers that is believing what he is saying. So does that mean he will have their blood on his hands because he knows truth. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes.
The only aspect that is intolerable is the Doctrine of ECT (eternal conscious torment) and also the Calvinism-Arminian debate where Calvinism downplays God's Love while Arminianism downplays God's power/ sovereignty...
You may check out Thomas Talbott's inconsistent triad of proposals
why is so much thought given to this guy?
Just came to peruse the comment section. Never fails to bring atheists and the religious together in their pursuit of insults and hate. This is better with popcorn.
I may be giving too much credit and if I may I think the material and the impetus Abraham uses is a result of our neglect as a body to deal with the methods and structure of elevated teachers and doctrines. We add on things that those like Abraham says, what?!
It’s like how a comedian uses observation to get their material.
Take a traditional Sunday morning. One guy stands up on a platform. The rest of the body sits down. They face each other. The one man speaks a lot. The congregation is quiet. There are certain syllables added and speech patterns using reverb for dramatic effect.
The comedian might say, what’s up with this one man show? It’s like a mob is running after this poor guy and he turns around to face them and they all sit down. Then after church they all go to Cracker Barrel because the guys want to show the gals they shouldn’t work on Sunday letting the infidels do all the cooking and cleaning. Then they go home where dad watches a bunch of multi million dollar entertaining athletes try to kill each other.
Wasn’t the sabbath for rest? I thought Jesus is the sabbath not a day of the week. .
maybe he will come out of his art play illusions, when he starts supporting himself.
He's actually very successful from the American dream perspective but spiritually broke.
Supporting himself? Who do you think is supporting him? Do you think he's living in his father's basement? Why is it that people assume he is a child? He's a 40 year old man with a family who owns, or has owned, multimillion dollar companies.
Abraham Piper...... Dionysius the Areopagite is calling you to negate everything in order to understand nothing. Makes sense, now doesn't it?
Ironic that Doug would accuse Abraham of being desperate for views in a video that's part of an ongoing series where Doug just reacts and mocks Abraham (who's just out there sharing food for thought) for views. At least Abraham is original, Doug just tries to ride his coattails. Perhaps the most ironic thing is that Abraham probably doesn't care one bit about this video react series, he's just out living his life as best he can and finding joy. Doug sounds like a grumpy old guy trying to make the happy ramblings of a puzzle maker/artist fit into his systematic theology and getting grumpy when it doesn't fit.
He's wealthy and wants a lot of attention. It doesnt matter what he says or whether or not it makes sense to anyone.
The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Don’t see any wisdom in Abraham.
No fear in them. Just like the Roman Catholic who said satan is afraid of the woman. The person said. Through her we will be saved. I was like really, 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me. I am.
Fundy-ism is intolerable by God's standard, Dougy boy!
Don't worry; in 15 years he will "repent" and evangelicals will propel him to the stratosphere of our faith influencers and pass him the mantle of theology and the front page of every "Christian" magazine ...
.....There's a way in which seems right unto a man "BUT"______________________🔥🥺🥵
Poor AP sounds like the quintessential Millennial