Pressing the rotary temperature dial down brings up the heated and cooled seat adjustment within the dial itself. No need to go into the menu. Same thing with the Terrain response modes, you can use the same dial to select that.
I have owned 4 Land Rovers and still own an old Defender BUT, I now HATE Land Rover and all their current products. Their pricing is a disgrace and they have walked away from their traditional values of durability and simplicity. Good review.
Never been a massive fan of Defenders. The ergonomics of the old ones were just weird. But give me one of these new ones with a 6 cyl diesel any day. And I would def get it dirty so make it a base model.
While I appreciate the poor reputation Land Rover has for reliability, the idea that a new vehicle from a startup auto maker will have superior reliability is, I fear, wishful thinking. Unless your one of a handful of extreme adventurers it’s hard to see why the Grenadier makes any sense, and I would even question it makes sense in that tiny market. The reality is if it’s using the BMW engine and transmission it’s not a simple machine so it’s not going to be easily serviced by the driver somewhere in the remote outback. Now that the base model Defender 110 has coil springs the concerns around air suspension are essentially gone.
@@fragu123I’ve actually now owned a 2022 Defender P300 for close to 2 years. It’s been essentially without fault, some of the small niggles have all been solved by OTA software updates. It’s a very well designed and executed vehicle. I would have purchased the diesel if they were available in the US.
If the D250 is a detuned version of the D300 (same engine?) Then why wouldn't you get the D250 and tune it to have the same power as the D300 then you could also have the 18" rims which i dont think a real D300 can fit. Also you can spec new defenders to have 18" alloys.
I'm amazed that people here will express doubt about the reliability of the technology employed in this vehicle and yet will have no problem flying in a passenger aircraft.
@@alexjohnward If you are referring to the dark days of Lucas then you are right....but that was decades ago. Not once have I had an strictly electrical issue apart from a bad earth in 14 years. Most cars these days don't have a problem.
The D250 has since been axed from the Land Rover offerings - now the sole diesel engine choice for a Defender 110 is the D300 starting from AUD $114,756. Ouch! And the steel 18" wheels are no longer available - smallest diameter wheels are now 20". Not a lot of serious remote travel possible with 20" wheels - the Defender has now become the great Pretender. Nice towing rig and dirt road vehicle but don't stray too far away from the blacktop.
Unfortunately tech is the way everything is going. Here in Europe all tractors & combines are moving computers. Saw a autonomous tractor at Goodwood FOS which they are using in American. Have had Discovery 4 Evoque and Discovery Sport and had no problems. Bought new Defender. TFL Tommy needs to give it a rest. He seamed to get far to excited about a badge and gold wheels on a Landcruiser.
A whole review, and you never once mentioned the "R" word! It doesn't matter how well it goes off road, or what the technical specs (approach angle, breakover, etc etc) say, if it's not reliable it's not worth a pinch of poop. And only an optimist would think that these new Defenders are going to be reliable. They've wasted the "Defender" name on this model. It is really a Discovery. Where's the basic tough 4x4 entry level model for farmers or soldiers or miners? Not their target audience any more. Now they're looking for rich inner city types who think a dirt road is off road. They've lost me as a customer, and I've had 6 or 7 Defenders, and they won't get me back with this sort of pretender.
So another LR reliability troll. Why have you owned 6 or 7 Defenders...lost count?. I've owned 1 for 14 years and would happily take it anywhere. Serving the farmer, soldier, miner market is serving a minority market owned in monopoly by Toyota. JLR is not a charity just as Toyota isn't but it has put its faith in 21st-century technology.
@@atoieno I'm not a troll at all. I waited for 5 years to see what the new Defender was going to be like, hoping for something like my final PUMA but with all the legacy design issues fixed. I took a new Diesel Defender for a 2 day 400Km test drive over all sorts of terrain, and it was fabulous. Drove through my muddy paddocks with ease. But I've owned 2 Range Rovers and a Discovery with Air Suspension and they gave me hell. Air pumps failing, front air struts failing, computer errors, ICE failing. I loved those cars even with their faults, but I expected that from a very complicated build of a car, and I lived with it. The Defender has always been the working model of the range. Now it is just the same as all the others. And that's a shame. Maybe they will be good for working men & women in the UK, but in Australia things are a lot tougher with huge distances and very little JLR dealer support around the country. And my confidence that Land Rover can build something with 83 different ECUs and having them all keep working is practically zero.
@@spudboy1328 When has JLR dealer support ever mattered to you and the rest of the 'enthusiast' Land Rover owners before this Defender was released? How many of these Defenders, Discoverys and Range Rovers that you owned, did you purchase at a dealer? How many of these did you have serviced at a dealer? Old heads like you are what 'killed' Land Rover because as much as you like to think you supported Land Rover, your kind essentially forced them into making these 'rich inner city' vehicles to try and stay afloat. The people like you who essentially barred your vehicles from visiting a dealer on account of price of service, quite literally meant Land Rover needed to make vehicles which appealed to people that would support the brand.
@@WilloughbyBoys My PUMA Defender was bought brand new from a dealer, as was my Discovery and one of my Range Rovers, and my 90. It is true, I didn't buy my Series I, Series II, Series III, my 130, my FFR Ex-Army 110, my RR Classic, or my petrol 110 from a dealer, but I'm not sure any of that is relevant. The new vehicles got serviced at the dealer until they were out of warranty. And that's because (in Australia) they ream the customer at any and all opportunities. LR makes heaps of upmarket posh 4x4s. Their reputation for all the other models was but built entirely on how tough their Defender was. Camel Trophy. Expeditions. Now they have nothing like that. I am not objecting to expensive complicated machinery. Am am objecting to them losing sight of what a Defender represented for 70 years.
@@spudboy1328 I think the 'tough' image in regards to Camel Trophy was built upon Discovery no? Which at the time was Land Rovers answer to appeal to the masses? What are they doing differently here?
Technologically great but $100k+ is not the sort of car to bash around the bush, take across the desert. You will probably get sick of dropping it off the dealership for repairs. Toorak tractor yes and seen a few of them around.
@@atoieno Well, LR need to lift their game with reliability. I had land rovers for a long time including the 2013 Defender and yes reliability is not there.
@@Navapex I haven't had a reliability problem with my current 2008 Defender and it has been driven in every state and territory in Australia. I've owned two Land Rovers since 1997. I'll buy the new one.
Landrover pretender - pretend there is a place in the bush that can service it when check engine light comes on. If you take this thing bush you'll have to take the air filter out for a clean every couple of days, unfortunately it's plastic junk that won't survive removal and reinstallation more than a few times because the screws will strip the plastic threading. Firmware pre update also caused battery to drain, so many owners had to call for service because their battery was flattened due to shit software! Imagine experiencing that in the middle of nowhere .... Reality check - want to go bush? Get a Toyota. Want to take the kids to soccer? Get a defender.
Please tell me how you diagnose a Hilux 2020 in the bush without an OBD II interface. I am really curious to know. And I also like to know when is the last time you saw any vehicle unmovable because of electronics. I mean dead stuck, not some warning lights on a dash. I am just selling one after less than 2 years, that satisfied I am. . And how is working with the class action suit against the 2.8 D present on most Toyota models in Australia ? Please tell me why All toyota dealers I have been tell that me that 12l of Adblue every 4000 km is a normal thing for the 2.4d engine that I have, and they even refuse to investigate.( it is suppose to last between 12-15 k km, depending on your average fuel consumption ) Please tell me what do you do when it enters in limp mode because of lack of adblue, and than it refuses to start. Almost took this thing for a trip to Morroco in the Sahara desert. ) In Morocco adblue is not used, I have to carry a considerable amount of it. The other issue is that the reservoir is on the bottom of the car, exposed to damage while off-roading. If I puncture it even if I have 30 L of Adblue with me I will be dead stuck. Now I am waiting for the delivery of my new Defender petrol to do that. Point of it is, Toyota lives with the reputation only, has nothing left to back that reputation anymore, as many owners of new models found that out sadly. me buying that thing new was the biggest waste of money I did in the last decade.
Unfortunately the change of the design does not look attractive!! The should return to the old design and so good solid technology. Not with this useless hightech!!!! The old Defender 110, was much better.
Besides for your subjective aesthetic opinions, this car is much more capable stock for stock vs an og 110. Love the og and series Rovers but time moves on...
Pressing the rotary temperature dial down brings up the heated and cooled seat adjustment within the dial itself. No need to go into the menu. Same thing with the Terrain response modes, you can use the same dial to select that.
You can also just press the screen for what you want in the TR. You don't need to turn the dial.
Indeed if you make a RUclips video.. make sure you know the car, a review like this is worthless.
Yes Matt
What a spec
Tasman Blue
White steelies
White roof
The jump seat
6 cylinder diesel - finally !!
Perfection. 👍👍
True
Love your country 💯 wish I was born there
I have owned 4 Land Rovers and still own an old Defender BUT, I now HATE Land Rover and all their current products.
Their pricing is a disgrace and they have walked away from their traditional values of durability and simplicity.
Good review.
love the steelies only configurable on low spec models in the range
Never been a massive fan of Defenders. The ergonomics of the old ones were just weird. But give me one of these new ones with a 6 cyl diesel any day. And I would def get it dirty so make it a base model.
I'll wait for the Grenadier
While I appreciate the poor reputation Land Rover has for reliability, the idea that a new vehicle from a startup auto maker will have superior reliability is, I fear, wishful thinking. Unless your one of a handful of extreme adventurers it’s hard to see why the Grenadier makes any sense, and I would even question it makes sense in that tiny market. The reality is if it’s using the BMW engine and transmission it’s not a simple machine so it’s not going to be easily serviced by the driver somewhere in the remote outback. Now that the base model Defender 110 has coil springs the concerns around air suspension are essentially gone.
@@jaldeborgh….yep!
@@fragu123I’ve actually now owned a 2022 Defender P300 for close to 2 years. It’s been essentially without fault, some of the small niggles have all been solved by OTA software updates. It’s a very well designed and executed vehicle. I would have purchased the diesel if they were available in the US.
The problem is how durable it’s engine does?
If the D250 is a detuned version of the D300 (same engine?) Then why wouldn't you get the D250 and tune it to have the same power as the D300 then you could also have the 18" rims which i dont think a real D300 can fit. Also you can spec new defenders to have 18" alloys.
I'm amazed that people here will express doubt about the reliability of the technology employed in this vehicle and yet will have no problem flying in a passenger aircraft.
Land rover are not exactly known for aerospace quality electrics!
I don’t have to fix a plane, I do my Land Rover. It’s expensive and inconvenient!
@@alexjohnward If you are referring to the dark days of Lucas then you are right....but that was decades ago. Not once have I had an strictly electrical issue apart from a bad earth in 14 years. Most cars these days don't have a problem.
@@Wilbargosh I find the cost of regular servicing much more that the cost of repairs. My partners basic car service costs more than mine.
When flights resume using aircraft infested with rattlesnakes in the middle of desert for a year this guy is going to have a strong case ....
what a car
The D250 has since been axed from the Land Rover offerings - now the sole diesel engine choice for a Defender 110 is the D300 starting from AUD $114,756. Ouch! And the steel 18" wheels are no longer available - smallest diameter wheels are now 20". Not a lot of serious remote travel possible with 20" wheels - the Defender has now become the great Pretender. Nice towing rig and dirt road vehicle but don't stray too far away from the blacktop.
Unfortunately tech is the way everything is going. Here in Europe all tractors & combines are moving
computers. Saw a autonomous tractor at Goodwood FOS which they are using in American. Have had
Discovery 4 Evoque and Discovery Sport and had no problems. Bought new Defender. TFL Tommy
needs to give it a rest. He seamed to get far to excited about a badge and gold wheels on a Landcruiser.
Wow that price!
Just not feeling it for the Aussie 4wding & touring that I do, but it’s appearance has grown on me. I like it but it’s just not for me.
OK so where was the actual off road review as mentioned in the title?
Did hey say $kidney for the base spec? Sweet baby Toyota
A whole review, and you never once mentioned the "R" word! It doesn't matter how well it goes off road, or what the technical specs (approach angle, breakover, etc etc) say, if it's not reliable it's not worth a pinch of poop. And only an optimist would think that these new Defenders are going to be reliable.
They've wasted the "Defender" name on this model. It is really a Discovery. Where's the basic tough 4x4 entry level model for farmers or soldiers or miners? Not their target audience any more. Now they're looking for rich inner city types who think a dirt road is off road. They've lost me as a customer, and I've had 6 or 7 Defenders, and they won't get me back with this sort of pretender.
So another LR reliability troll. Why have you owned 6 or 7 Defenders...lost count?. I've owned 1 for 14 years and would happily take it anywhere. Serving the farmer, soldier, miner market is serving a minority market owned in monopoly by Toyota. JLR is not a charity just as Toyota isn't but it has put its faith in 21st-century technology.
@@atoieno I'm not a troll at all. I waited for 5 years to see what the new Defender was going to be like, hoping for something like my final PUMA but with all the legacy design issues fixed. I took a new Diesel Defender for a 2 day 400Km test drive over all sorts of terrain, and it was fabulous. Drove through my muddy paddocks with ease. But I've owned 2 Range Rovers and a Discovery with Air Suspension and they gave me hell. Air pumps failing, front air struts failing, computer errors, ICE failing. I loved those cars even with their faults, but I expected that from a very complicated build of a car, and I lived with it.
The Defender has always been the working model of the range. Now it is just the same as all the others. And that's a shame.
Maybe they will be good for working men & women in the UK, but in Australia things are a lot tougher with huge distances and very little JLR dealer support around the country. And my confidence that Land Rover can build something with 83 different ECUs and having them all keep working is practically zero.
@@spudboy1328 When has JLR dealer support ever mattered to you and the rest of the 'enthusiast' Land Rover owners before this Defender was released?
How many of these Defenders, Discoverys and Range Rovers that you owned, did you purchase at a dealer?
How many of these did you have serviced at a dealer?
Old heads like you are what 'killed' Land Rover because as much as you like to think you supported Land Rover, your kind essentially forced them into making these 'rich inner city' vehicles to try and stay afloat.
The people like you who essentially barred your vehicles from visiting a dealer on account of price of service, quite literally meant Land Rover needed to make vehicles which appealed to people that would support the brand.
@@WilloughbyBoys My PUMA Defender was bought brand new from a dealer, as was my Discovery and one of my Range Rovers, and my 90. It is true, I didn't buy my Series I, Series II, Series III, my 130, my FFR Ex-Army 110, my RR Classic, or my petrol 110 from a dealer, but I'm not sure any of that is relevant.
The new vehicles got serviced at the dealer until they were out of warranty. And that's because (in Australia) they ream the customer at any and all opportunities.
LR makes heaps of upmarket posh 4x4s. Their reputation for all the other models was but built entirely on how tough their Defender was. Camel Trophy. Expeditions. Now they have nothing like that.
I am not objecting to expensive complicated machinery. Am am objecting to them losing sight of what a Defender represented for 70 years.
@@spudboy1328 I think the 'tough' image in regards to Camel Trophy was built upon Discovery no? Which at the time was Land Rovers answer to appeal to the masses?
What are they doing differently here?
High level of tech is a no go for me apart from that it looks good but the price means I'll never own one.
There is a reason why you see this new defender on Sydney road once in a blue moon...
You could drive a corolla over that...
What a brick
Seems your test was more successful than TFL car.
Land Rover tried to get TFL to sign a gag order!
Technologically great but $100k+ is not the sort of car to bash around the bush, take across the desert. You will probably get sick of dropping it off the dealership for repairs. Toorak tractor yes and seen a few of them around.
Rubbish comment. Of course, the owners will do this because many of them have already owned the old ones. They know they don't need dealers.
@@atoieno Well, LR need to lift their game with reliability. I had land rovers for a long time including the 2013 Defender and yes reliability is not there.
@@Navapex I haven't had a reliability problem with my current 2008 Defender and it has been driven in every state and territory in Australia. I've owned two Land Rovers since 1997. I'll buy the new one.
i dont reccomend getting any diesel land rovers since the diesels are in credibly unreliable
Landrover pretender - pretend there is a place in the bush that can service it when check engine light comes on. If you take this thing bush you'll have to take the air filter out for a clean every couple of days, unfortunately it's plastic junk that won't survive removal and reinstallation more than a few times because the screws will strip the plastic threading. Firmware pre update also caused battery to drain, so many owners had to call for service because their battery was flattened due to shit software! Imagine experiencing that in the middle of nowhere .... Reality check - want to go bush? Get a Toyota. Want to take the kids to soccer? Get a defender.
Please tell me how you diagnose a Hilux 2020 in the bush without an OBD II interface. I am really curious to know.
And I also like to know when is the last time you saw any vehicle unmovable because of electronics. I mean dead stuck, not some warning lights on a dash.
I am just selling one after less than 2 years, that satisfied I am. . And how is working with the class action suit against the 2.8 D present on most Toyota models in Australia ?
Please tell me why All toyota dealers I have been tell that me that 12l of Adblue every 4000 km is a normal thing for the 2.4d engine that I have, and they even refuse to investigate.( it is suppose to last between 12-15 k km, depending on your average fuel consumption )
Please tell me what do you do when it enters in limp mode because of lack of adblue, and than it refuses to start. Almost took this thing for a trip to Morroco in the Sahara desert. ) In Morocco adblue is not used, I have to carry a considerable amount of it. The other issue is that the reservoir is on the bottom of the car, exposed to damage while off-roading. If I puncture it even if I have 30 L of Adblue with me I will be dead stuck.
Now I am waiting for the delivery of my new Defender petrol to do that.
Point of it is, Toyota lives with the reputation only, has nothing left to back that reputation anymore, as many owners of new models found that out sadly. me buying that thing new was the biggest waste of money I did in the last decade.
Nothing about 4wd
Unfortunately the change of the design does not look attractive!! The should return to the old design and so good solid technology. Not with this useless hightech!!!! The old Defender 110, was much better.
Besides for your subjective aesthetic opinions, this car is much more capable stock for stock vs an og 110. Love the og and series Rovers but time moves on...
Plastic suvFender